Rally Thread
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:13 PM PDT
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Print4-4 going into the bottom of the 9th
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He’s been fine, albeit mostly in low leverage situations, for a month
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
He has been a lot better. Still, I’d rather he not pitch.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Lorreta is so slow now
He’s starting to go Mark Sweeney on us
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
is it just me or do our pinch hitters suck against guys not named lidge?
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
after that great April they pretty much have sucked
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
The whole bench has except for Ausmus in his limited time.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as this game doesn't go 17 innings or more
The Dodgers should win. I can’t see the A’s scoring for another 8 innings or so.
vr, Xei
It's kind of a rule
also, don’t even ask about Idaho.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Because I'd rather that I have a major league career. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Become an ambidextrous pitcher…that would be great
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm already lefty
I just need to throw 95 now. I don’t think learning to throw righty would work. ;)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point…just perfect the motion…go submariner if need be. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been working on it
They won’t let me pitch though! :-(
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Start cutting the brakes of the pitchers on the team then…frame them for cheating, etc…play dirty!!! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You can watch at AT&T
Although I think only through the fence in right field.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And
Mota has to face the heart of the order. I’m afraid.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions
Nobody picked an extra inning HR tonight :)
Potential winners are:
Tripon – Kemp
Boulder Dodger – Ethier
Kenchanayoh – Hudson
DCZimmer-DLopes15 – Martin
jaffa – Loney
Craig88USC – Blake
Satinhammer – Furcal
Is Broxton still pitching?
I can’t tell.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No
Mota will be going for the 11 inning no-hitter.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m actually mentally prepared to go 20 tonight…but I want Phil to get home at a decent hour…so let’s just win it now.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Middle of the order will take care of things
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Speaking of which
How many more games until Manny is back now?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait.
JP’s been sinking as a rock, and we don’t have a viable OF backup right now.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ziegler has never allowed a run in nine interleague games
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Beautiful
if only you could post that on AN
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
They are missing out on so much knowledge I could share with them
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
i love ziegler's tan on his mlb.com picture
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
O-Dog!
Now time for Casey “Clutch” Blake.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions
You know with all the mess with Manny and his hair last year.
Why didn’t Torre give Blake any grief for his beard? :)
because its one of the most beautiful things on Earth!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
THe one thing about that play was that Hudson already gave up on it.
He didn’t turn on the jets until he saw Cabera mess up the play.
Well, this is the ultimate 1-run situation
not saying i agree though
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
and Kershaw would still be pitching :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
College mangers
Among the dumbest in the world.
Some of them at least.
why bunt??
it’s loney, the rbi machine.
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
Make up for when Loney got screwed
A few series ago.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions
In order to be able to complain, you must be true!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The A beat writer next to me just gave a little cheer so I stared him down
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well
They wouldn’t have been wasted if he had gotten it down. But, it’s all academic anyways.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
.001
bunting is lame there. Because you only gain .001 of win expectancy if you move the runners to 2nd and 3rd.
vr, Xei
Are these numbers too old?
on Hardball Times, the likelihood of scoring a run goes from .641 to .695 from 1st/2nd 0 outs to 2nd/3rd 1 out.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Umpire said he was watching his feet and missed the tag which is why he asked for help
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Good for him…that’s what all umps should do
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupid ass idea
Maybe Loney doens’t do that if his first swing isn’t trying to protect the plate after 2 shitty ass bunt attempts.
Oh that is sweet, we need to recommend this
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy on the Bay Area
Don’t be hatin’ my home.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
The Bay is awesome though. I have one more year here before I probably end up going somewhere else for whatever 4-year school I go to.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay
is awesome as long as you don’t have to drive any where. I went to school up there and as long as you can find the small pockets of hot girls, it’s not a bad place to live for a couple of years.
Really amazing the hate they feel for anything SoCal. I guess more sad than amazing.
vr, Xei
I don't think there's really much hate for SoCal
Outside of sports. Lots of people love to go there. Not sure what you are referring to about driving.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
When I went to LA a month or so ago I thought driving was hell. The roads are much more confusing, the freeway has much more traffic, and the drivers were more aggressive. I think LA is worse to drive in, and it’s not even remotely close.
Maybe the SoCal hate is just because you were from there. I’ve never heard anyone make much of a deal about it at all.
Anyway, I’m not trying to put down LA, I really like it there, I just think both places are extremely nice.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
Traffic can’t be worse than LA anywhere
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record
I have nothing against the Bay Area except their non-Raider sports teams. I’ve visited a few times, and it’s a great place.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are my comments in a white background and most are in yellow—-is it punishment for not using the “e” here
I like this season.
New "unread" comments are in yellow
see instructions just above the comments.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillermo "Keep Our Young Players Arb. Numbers Down By Vultering Wins" Mota.
I like it.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Genius strategy
plus, the Giants can sign Mota to a 4/$16m contract next offseason!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Broxton's going to still get his asses paid next year.
I’d be surprised if he gets less than $5 million next year.
Agreed.
And hopefully it’s part of a long term deal.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jenks deal ($5.6m, 1 year, with 3 years service time) didn’t help the Dodgers, that’s for sure.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
For Broxton that is
Since he’s already gone to arbitration once.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But maybe it won't matter
If Ned gives him an extension…
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
you think Brox will get this much? seems a little high but if he continues like he’s been going then i’m sure that amount will be justified
by Alex Serena on Jun 16, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably
I think Papelbon got around that much. He has been the best reliever in baseball this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
To clarify, I meant that Broxton had been the best reliever in baseball thus far.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He got $1.825 as mostly a setup man. He moves into different comps as a closer, and being elite will handsomely reward him.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Mota is a winner.
Seriously though, yeah he was.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I just checked
This is a fictional statement.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Marlins, Yanks, and Phillies have 14…tied for 2nd in MLB in relief wins.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Mota sliced off another .30 off of his ERA.
Okay, I’m going to admit it. Mota isn’t totally useless this year.
I just want to point out
that I brought up the Kershaw 13 K game as a mirror of tonight.
Similarites:
1) lead entering top 8th
2) 3-run HR in the 8th
3) 4-2 Dodger deficit middle 8th (cue Journey)
4) 4-4 after 8
5) walkoff event…5-4 win
More importantly
a 2-game lead in the Manny-less NL West!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Xei, did you see my question above about run probability?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this referring to Loney bunting?
Because if so, I have a question about that.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Win expectancy would go from 79.5% to 79.6% with a successful sac bunt from Loney according to the win expectancy calculator.
vr, Xei
I’ll trust you…since you use specific information rather than league-wide generalities.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No need to trust me
Win Expectancy Calculator See for yourself. This is the empirical data. I will agree that the sample size should be larger to use this as fact.
vr, Xei
Hmm
So is there no situation where you should bunt if an average hitter is up then? Because that seems about as good a situation as you could possibly ave.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Bunting
I don’t think sacrificing is ever a good idea. Only with the pitcher. Not a fan of giving away outs.
I especially hate it when you ask James Loney to bunt.
I didn’t mind the bunt, except for your final point, that Loney is not particularly adept at bunting.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
Stupid first response. It seems like it would be smart to bunt there, it just feels right. But maybe that’s one of those things where your inner bias gets the best of you.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't really think his technique was so bad...
Although the results obviously tell a different story.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think your tie-breaker becomes which hitters are coming up, how well can the person bunt, how fast are they (to stay out of a double play). Kemp was on deck and may have gotten an IBB, which would raise the WE a little bit. Loney is pretty slow, easy to bunt into a DP, and we found out that he doesn’t appear to be a great bunter.
I am against bunting in that situation, but it’s not an impeachable offense by any means.
vr, Xei
Don't forget though
Loney also grounds into a lot of double plays normally, and he’s not likely to get an XBH (and Bow wouldn’t likely send Hudson with 0 outs).
I think it’s about an even situation overall but I see your point.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He stepped down to coach. I’m guessing he might be able to just re-assume his duties in the front office.
Al Jefferson
Al Jefferson was the centerpiece. They also got Sebastian Telfair and Gerald Green.
What happened to Green?
Has he done anything? Telfair has had a bunch of injuries right? Sorry, not a huge basketball fan.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So they didn't get much value out of him then?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the whole deal:
The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota’s conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
NP
Also, the Ratliff inclusion was for his expiring contract.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
I don’t like how they do that in the NBA.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite
was I believe part of the Gasol deal…Aaron McKie was technically on the Lakers inactive roster, but had “retired” and was coaching (in Philly?)…to make the Gasol deal work under the cap, they needed McKie in the deal.
So McKie gave up his coaching job to sign a guaranteed $750k contract to be in the deal, then get released.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
That sort of thing is ridiculous. Although at least it helped the Lakers. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it totally makes sense
From his perspective.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Basketball
Transactions in basketball have become more odd with the new CBA. I hate that expiring deals are so valuable nowadays. But it’s just a nature of the beast I guess.
It is very weird and wrong in many ways that crap players with unique contracts are more coveted than good players.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't need to be.
That sort of thing doesn’t happen in the NFL, and they have a salary cap.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard Cap Vs. Soft Cap
NFL has a hard cap and the NBA has a soft cap. Not exactly the same thing.
True
But I have to believe there is some way to eliminate the process of trading away good players to get bad contracts.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
plus the whole guaranteed contracts thing
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
the margins really get jacked with all the replies, huh? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
we don't get a ton of huge reply threads
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
True
I guess I’ve really only seen it elsewhere now that I think about it.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Jefferson is one of the better offensive big men in the league. And he can rebound. People kill McHale for not getting the best value out of Garnett. I think Jefferson was a good move but not getting picks was retarded. By then Telfair had very little upside and Gerald Green wasn’t really an uber prospect. He fell really far in a draft that was not very weak.
Picks
Ah I forgot that he got a first rounder but he could have gotten Jefferson and at least one more first rounder.
Plus
the pick is for this draft. He should have held out for one sooner. He had to assume Boston would be pretty damn good for the next two years or so.
they gave up #5 in the Allen deal though, right?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Overhyped
Telfair was just an overhyped prospect. The Sonny Vacarro hype machine did its job well with this guy. He was always a lightning quick PG who couldn’t shoot and couldn’t run an offense. But he had a ton of hype behind him (Marbury’s cousin+ADIDAS PR department+NY PG) so he was made out to be a lot better than he really was. He was a player that really would have either benefited from college or would have been weeded out.
Green is a super athlete with no basketball IQ. He got a lot of press because he threw down a couple amazing dunks in the summer league. This was back when people though summer league was a decent indicator of a player’s rookie season. Unfortunately he had no real skills and his athleticism isn’t at the uber level.
Thanks a ton.
The trade was terrible then.
I remember the year Green got drafted Kupchak (or some Laker official) said something to the effect of “There’s a high school guy that we absolutely cannot pass up”. I though they were talking about Green, but when they picked Bynum I was pretty surprised.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea
That year a lot of people were pissed/puzzled as to why the Lakers didn’t draft Danny Granger that year. He’s turned out to be a fine player. I’m think most people are happy with Bynum though!
Just saw the Giambi HR highlight again, and that thing had a low trajectory. Just stayed up and got out.
just flat our power, the Giambino still has plenty of pop to play a few more years.
by Alex Serena on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The A's poster were saying that Troncoso shouldn't throw Giambi a breaking ball.
The homerun was on a slider. While Mota’s strikeout of Giambi was on fastballs.
That idea
is actually as dumb as the local city that started charging people for calling 911.
vr, Xei
Aren't there better ways
That will make you less… you know… reviled?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, like selling orphans to other cities :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be one of the few
That would be worse.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Phil
is hopefully asking Torre about the Kershaw at-bat (non pinch hit) and the Loney bunt situation. Niether strategical move panned out for Torre tonight.
vr, Xei
The Dodgers have signed Korean high school infielder Tae-hyeok Nam to a minor league contract. The 18-year-old, who the Dodgers say has good power and above-average speed, batted .314 with 22 homers and 43 RBIs in 65 games for his high school in Seoul. Nam is the third Korean to sign a minor league deal with the Dodgers this year, joining right-handers Hyang-nam Choi, 38, who is 1-0 with a 2.70 ERA in nine relief appearances at triple A, and Ji-Mo Lee, 22, who will report to Class-A Inland Empire later this month. . . .
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-fyi17-2009jun17,0,1218739.story
Just giving you a hard time…I look forward to seeing him in person.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What is...
This!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Do we have a traitor in our ranks? (Note: His profile may have been like this for awhile and I just didn’t notice).
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions
That is pretty egregious. We need a public flogging.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What's wrong with it?
aren’t we all fans of Tampa Bay? I know I still am, even after what they did to me in the W.S. last year (no comments from the peanut gallery… yes, Eric I mean you).
vr, Xei
It’s not bad that he lists that he’s a fan of Tampa Bay, it’s that TB is the only baseball team he is a fan of (on that page).
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
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