Rally Thread
4-4 going into the bottom of the 9th
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Hey, you used my Recap photo
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MOTA warming up
Is this a dream or a nightmare?
by silverwidow on Jun 16, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s been fine, albeit mostly in low leverage situations, for a month
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He has been a lot better. Still, I’d rather he not pitch.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lorreta is so slow now
He’s starting to go Mark Sweeney on us
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is it just me or do our pinch hitters suck against guys not named lidge?
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
after that great April they pretty much have sucked
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The whole bench has except for Ausmus in his limited time.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as this game doesn't go 17 innings or more
The Dodgers should win. I can’t see the A’s scoring for another 8 innings or so.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitches JP has seen this night.
5 pitches in 5 at bats.
I kid, I kid.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bailey made us look like chumps there
Chumps.
by silverwidow on Jun 16, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apprently, only white people vacation in Utah.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of a rule
also, don’t even ask about Idaho.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I'd rather that I have a major league career. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Become an ambidextrous pitcher…that would be great
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm already lefty
I just need to throw 95 now. I don’t think learning to throw righty would work. ;)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point…just perfect the motion…go submariner if need be. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been working on it
They won’t let me pitch though! :-(
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start cutting the brakes of the pitchers on the team then…frame them for cheating, etc…play dirty!!! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if I wanted to drive to DS right now
They’d let me in to watch free baseball?
by silverwidow on Jun 16, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can watch at AT&T
Although I think only through the fence in right field.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday says it says it was 94 on that first pitch.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KCAL’s gun has had some weird numbers all night.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Mota has to face the heart of the order. I’m afraid.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If
we get through Mota’s inning, I really like our chances.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody picked an extra inning HR tonight :)
Potential winners are:
Tripon – Kemp
Boulder Dodger – Ethier
Kenchanayoh – Hudson
DCZimmer-DLopes15 – Martin
jaffa – Loney
Craig88USC – Blake
Satinhammer – Furcal
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
blake
10th inning
super far
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Broxton still pitching?
I can’t tell.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Moto Mota is the new Tron Tron
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If this goes to the 20th inning, we will see Loney pitching.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Mota will be going for the 11 inning no-hitter.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually mentally prepared to go 20 tonight…but I want Phil to get home at a decent hour…so let’s just win it now.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle of the order will take care of things
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
How many more games until Manny is back now?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait.
JP’s been sinking as a rock, and we don’t have a viable OF backup right now.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rally Thread
I hope this rally thread lives up to it’s name.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ziegler has never allowed a run in nine interleague games
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful
if only you could post that on AN
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are missing out on so much knowledge I could share with them
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like the fact you're in the booth right now.
They’d be jealous!
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love ziegler's tan on his mlb.com picture
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for that to end
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
O-Dog!
Now time for Casey “Clutch” Blake.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know with all the mess with Manny and his hair last year.
Why didn’t Torre give Blake any grief for his beard? :)
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because its one of the most beautiful things on Earth!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rally caps
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THe one thing about that play was that Hudson already gave up on it.
He didn’t turn on the jets until he saw Cabera mess up the play.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is Money time
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera blames ump
for missing the ball. haha!
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is the ultimate 1-run situation
not saying i agree though
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe was watching too much CWS, he'd have Loney lean into the strikezone to get a HBP.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Kershaw would still be pitching :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys don’t lean, they just don’t move
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
College mangers
Among the dumbest in the world.
Some of them at least.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why bunt??
it’s loney, the rbi machine.
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible throw by the 2nd baseman
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!!
He beat it out!! (Apparently).
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Going of help, it could be changed
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Make up for when Loney got screwed
A few series ago.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s good that the umps are talking, but I’d rather have the baserunner :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In order to be able to complain, you must be true!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
the noble spirit wins anyway!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A beat writer next to me just gave a little cheer so I stared him down
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
Is Susan Slusser there?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times does that kind of call get changed
by Bluetrek on Jun 16, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he didn't get the bunt down.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or too bad they had him waste two strikes trying to bunt in the first place.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They wouldn’t have been wasted if he had gotten it down. But, it’s all academic anyways.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.001
bunting is lame there. Because you only gain .001 of win expectancy if you move the runners to 2nd and 3rd.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are these numbers too old?
on Hardball Times, the likelihood of scoring a run goes from .641 to .695 from 1st/2nd 0 outs to 2nd/3rd 1 out.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umpire said he was watching his feet and missed the tag which is why he asked for help
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for him…that’s what all umps should do
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid ass idea
Maybe Loney doens’t do that if his first swing isn’t trying to protect the plate after 2 shitty ass bunt attempts.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Kemp
show why Phil wanted to use you for his recap photo.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh that is sweet, we need to recommend this
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woot
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but i fucking missed it because my Time Warner fucked up
by Bluetrek on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BAY AREA LOSES
both games tonight.
vr Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy on the Bay Area
Don’t be hatin’ my home.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not hatin'
just reported the facts.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The Bay is awesome though. I have one more year here before I probably end up going somewhere else for whatever 4-year school I go to.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay
is awesome as long as you don’t have to drive any where. I went to school up there and as long as you can find the small pockets of hot girls, it’s not a bad place to live for a couple of years.
Really amazing the hate they feel for anything SoCal. I guess more sad than amazing.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's really much hate for SoCal
Outside of sports. Lots of people love to go there. Not sure what you are referring to about driving.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Driving: Bad traffic
SoCal: always got crap about SoCal stealing their H20.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
When I went to LA a month or so ago I thought driving was hell. The roads are much more confusing, the freeway has much more traffic, and the drivers were more aggressive. I think LA is worse to drive in, and it’s not even remotely close.
Maybe the SoCal hate is just because you were from there. I’ve never heard anyone make much of a deal about it at all.
Anyway, I’m not trying to put down LA, I really like it there, I just think both places are extremely nice.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Traffic can’t be worse than LA anywhere
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I have nothing against the Bay Area except their non-Raider sports teams. I’ve visited a few times, and it’s a great place.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the way to resolve that kind of crap.
by Gen3blu on Jun 16, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My TV froze at the exact time he made contact so i missed it
by Bluetrek on Jun 16, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that’s probably why we won. Good job.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELL YES!
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions
by wongy on Jun 16, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
keepin it clean
gotta respect that
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are my comments in a white background and most are in yellow—-is it punishment for not using the “e” here
I like this season.
by Gen3blu on Jun 16, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your own comments are in white.
New comments by other people are in yellow.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New "unread" comments are in yellow
see instructions just above the comments.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Shoulda gotten Broxton another W.
by sumo390 on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillermo "Keep Our Young Players Arb. Numbers Down By Vultering Wins" Mota.
I like it.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genius strategy
plus, the Giants can sign Mota to a 4/$16m contract next offseason!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broxton's going to still get his asses paid next year.
I’d be surprised if he gets less than $5 million next year.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And hopefully it’s part of a long term deal.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jenks deal ($5.6m, 1 year, with 3 years service time) didn’t help the Dodgers, that’s for sure.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems pretty fair though.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Broxton that is
Since he’s already gone to arbitration once.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But maybe it won't matter
If Ned gives him an extension…
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think Brox will get this much? seems a little high but if he continues like he’s been going then i’m sure that amount will be justified
by Alex Serena on Jun 16, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I think Papelbon got around that much. He has been the best reliever in baseball this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
To clarify, I meant that Broxton had been the best reliever in baseball thus far.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got $1.825 as mostly a setup man. He moves into different comps as a closer, and being elite will handsomely reward him.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mota is a winner.
Seriously though, yeah he was.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our relievers have a billionty wins this year
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just checked
This is a fictional statement.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins, Yanks, and Phillies have 14…tied for 2nd in MLB in relief wins.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mota sliced off another .30 off of his ERA.
Okay, I’m going to admit it. Mota isn’t totally useless this year.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to point out
that I brought up the Kershaw 13 K game as a mirror of tonight.
Similarites:
1) lead entering top 8th
2) 3-run HR in the 8th
3) 4-2 Dodger deficit middle 8th (cue Journey)
4) 4-4 after 8
5) walkoff event…5-4 win
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
a 2-game lead in the Manny-less NL West!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Love just tweeted that McHale is out as the Timberwolves coach.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yet another quick outlet by Love
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he going to trade their remaining good players to Boston before he leaves?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Xei, did you see my question above about run probability?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going by win expectancy calculator. They should match up a little better than that.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this referring to Loney bunting?
Because if so, I have a question about that.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Win expectancy would go from 79.5% to 79.6% with a successful sac bunt from Loney according to the win expectancy calculator.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll trust you…since you use specific information rather than league-wide generalities.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need to trust me
Win Expectancy Calculator See for yourself. This is the empirical data. I will agree that the sample size should be larger to use this as fact.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
So is there no situation where you should bunt if an average hitter is up then? Because that seems about as good a situation as you could possibly ave.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
I don’t think sacrificing is ever a good idea. Only with the pitcher. Not a fan of giving away outs.
I especially hate it when you ask James Loney to bunt.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mind the bunt, except for your final point, that Loney is not particularly adept at bunting.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Stupid first response. It seems like it would be smart to bunt there, it just feels right. But maybe that’s one of those things where your inner bias gets the best of you.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loney just looked lost bunting there.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing too. I wondered if it had something to do with the submarine pitcher.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really think his technique was so bad...
Although the results obviously tell a different story.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your tie-breaker becomes which hitters are coming up, how well can the person bunt, how fast are they (to stay out of a double play). Kemp was on deck and may have gotten an IBB, which would raise the WE a little bit. Loney is pretty slow, easy to bunt into a DP, and we found out that he doesn’t appear to be a great bunter.
I am against bunting in that situation, but it’s not an impeachable offense by any means.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget though
Loney also grounds into a lot of double plays normally, and he’s not likely to get an XBH (and Bow wouldn’t likely send Hudson with 0 outs).
I think it’s about an even situation overall but I see your point.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fair. I’m not a fan of the bunt in that situation but like you said it’s not an AWFUL play in certain situations.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GM
Maybe he’ll just go back to being GM.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he already lost that title
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He stepped down to coach. I’m guessing he might be able to just re-assume his duties in the front office.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would just get rid of him completely though. He has been quite mediocre at his job.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Jefferson
Al Jefferson was the centerpiece. They also got Sebastian Telfair and Gerald Green.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Green?
Has he done anything? Telfair has had a bunch of injuries right? Sorry, not a huge basketball fan.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they didn't get much value out of him then?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the whole deal:
The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota’s conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NP
Also, the Ratliff inclusion was for his expiring contract.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I don’t like how they do that in the NBA.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite
was I believe part of the Gasol deal…Aaron McKie was technically on the Lakers inactive roster, but had “retired” and was coaching (in Philly?)…to make the Gasol deal work under the cap, they needed McKie in the deal.
So McKie gave up his coaching job to sign a guaranteed $750k contract to be in the deal, then get released.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That sort of thing is ridiculous. Although at least it helped the Lakers. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKie was an unpaid coach.
So he basically gave up his free coaching gig for free money.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it totally makes sense
From his perspective.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball
Transactions in basketball have become more odd with the new CBA. I hate that expiring deals are so valuable nowadays. But it’s just a nature of the beast I guess.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is very weird and wrong in many ways that crap players with unique contracts are more coveted than good players.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't need to be.
That sort of thing doesn’t happen in the NFL, and they have a salary cap.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard Cap Vs. Soft Cap
NFL has a hard cap and the NBA has a soft cap. Not exactly the same thing.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But I have to believe there is some way to eliminate the process of trading away good players to get bad contracts.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus the whole guaranteed contracts thing
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
the margins really get jacked with all the replies, huh? :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don't get a ton of huge reply threads
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I guess I’ve really only seen it elsewhere now that I think about it.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Jefferson is one of the better offensive big men in the league. And he can rebound. People kill McHale for not getting the best value out of Garnett. I think Jefferson was a good move but not getting picks was retarded. By then Telfair had very little upside and Gerald Green wasn’t really an uber prospect. He fell really far in a draft that was not very weak.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Ah I forgot that he got a first rounder but he could have gotten Jefferson and at least one more first rounder.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
the pick is for this draft. He should have held out for one sooner. He had to assume Boston would be pretty damn good for the next two years or so.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they gave up #5 in the Allen deal though, right?
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overhyped
Telfair was just an overhyped prospect. The Sonny Vacarro hype machine did its job well with this guy. He was always a lightning quick PG who couldn’t shoot and couldn’t run an offense. But he had a ton of hype behind him (Marbury’s cousin+ADIDAS PR department+NY PG) so he was made out to be a lot better than he really was. He was a player that really would have either benefited from college or would have been weeded out.
Green is a super athlete with no basketball IQ. He got a lot of press because he threw down a couple amazing dunks in the summer league. This was back when people though summer league was a decent indicator of a player’s rookie season. Unfortunately he had no real skills and his athleticism isn’t at the uber level.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a ton.
The trade was terrible then.
I remember the year Green got drafted Kupchak (or some Laker official) said something to the effect of “There’s a high school guy that we absolutely cannot pass up”. I though they were talking about Green, but when they picked Bynum I was pretty surprised.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Stop ................
how does that song go again?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
believing in, hold on to that feeling
by Alex Serena on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw the Giambi HR highlight again, and that thing had a low trajectory. Just stayed up and got out.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just flat our power, the Giambino still has plenty of pop to play a few more years.
by Alex Serena on Jun 16, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's poster were saying that Troncoso shouldn't throw Giambi a breaking ball.
The homerun was on a slider. While Mota’s strikeout of Giambi was on fastballs.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, when I go other boards, I don't look to get banned!
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just means Xeifrank is loyal!
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The victory was Joe Torre’s 2,194th as a big league manager during the regular season, tying Sparky Anderson for fifth place all-time. Torre, whose loss total is 36 fewer than Anderson’s, has won six pennants and four World Series titles.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost 1000 comments tonight
Thanks to everyone.
It must have been the free parking
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Free Parking
The parking is always free in my driveway.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beer is free too
But we’re running low.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Toledo, the mayor forced the city to give out parking tickets to people with unpaved driveways.(including gravel.)
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
… what are the odds that someone eggs his house?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's apprently getting recalled.
So he has bigger problems on his hands.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing to increase city revenue
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't there better ways
That will make you less… you know… reviled?
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, like selling orphans to other cities :)
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be one of the few
That would be worse.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil
is hopefully asking Torre about the Kershaw at-bat (non pinch hit) and the Loney bunt situation. Niether strategical move panned out for Torre tonight.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers have signed Korean high school infielder Tae-hyeok Nam to a minor league contract. The 18-year-old, who the Dodgers say has good power and above-average speed, batted .314 with 22 homers and 43 RBIs in 65 games for his high school in Seoul. Nam is the third Korean to sign a minor league deal with the Dodgers this year, joining right-handers Hyang-nam Choi, 38, who is 1-0 with a 2.70 ERA in nine relief appearances at triple A, and Ji-Mo Lee, 22, who will report to Class-A Inland Empire later this month. . . .
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-fyi17-2009jun17,0,1218739.story
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I thought Ji-Mo Lee assigned to single-A was new.
by Tripon on Jun 16, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just giving you a hard time…I look forward to seeing him in person.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, should be interesting. Anxious to see where some of our 2009 draftees get assigned. Short season starts in about a week or so. So the signings should start trickling in.
by ASUcruz on Jun 16, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is...
This!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Do we have a traitor in our ranks? (Note: His profile may have been like this for awhile and I just didn’t notice).
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty egregious. We need a public flogging.
by Eric Stephen on Jun 16, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with it?
aren’t we all fans of Tampa Bay? I know I still am, even after what they did to me in the W.S. last year (no comments from the peanut gallery… yes, Eric I mean you).
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 16, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not bad that he lists that he’s a fan of Tampa Bay, it’s that TB is the only baseball team he is a fan of (on that page).
by Eric Stephen on Jun 17, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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