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First Half Most Surprising Poll


We had a lot of surprises in the first half. Maybe more then I can ever remember. Some were great, some were shocking.

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What do you consider the biggest surprise of the 1st half?
The Dodgers having the best record in baseball
228 votes
That Eric Milton started several games and didn't suck
7 votes
That Jeff Weaver is still on the team and productive
39 votes
The Belisario Beast
35 votes
Troncoso
11 votes
Russ Martin breaking the record for most games started at the start of the year without a home run for a LAD catcher
51 votes
Matt Kemp becoming a GG caliber CF
15 votes
Manny being suspended
249 votes
Clayton leading the league in walks and still shutting down opponents
17 votes
Casey Blake having his career year at age 35
18 votes
Juan Pierre going ape shit in May
147 votes
Bloggers in the Dodger Pressbox
6 votes

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one of my new favorite quotes

“Juan Pierre going ape shit in May”

classic

by bucknellbruin on Jul 14, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Juan Pierre’s May is in the neighborhood with Marlon Anderson’s September 2006 in the all-time Dodger “what the hell?” months:

Pierre in May: .369/.435/.505, 23 runs, 18 RBI
Marlon 9/06: .375/.431/.813, 7 HR

Pierre’s 18 RBI in May were more than he had in any two-month period of his career.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kind of cool

that we have had the career months of two very mediocre players.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

mediocre: of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance : ordinary, so-so

He’s had a league average OBP since 2005 (4.5 seasons), no power, very good baserunning, and is a plus defender only in one of the lowest-leveraged positions, LF. I think JP meets the dictionary definition of mediocre perfectly.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

So many to choose, but I had to pick best record in baseball.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

I ended up picking the Manny Suspension

It really caught me out of the blue. I just didn’t think going forward that any star player would get caught testing. If it had just been a name from the old list I wouldn’t have been surprised, but to actually be suspended several years after testing was implemented just shocked me for a player of his caliber. He literally blew his legacy out the window and for what? Of all the players, he may have needed extra help the least.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

It’s a chicken & egg thing…the Manny suspension was shocking and out of the blue, but then again w/o him for 50 games I didn’t think the Dodgers had a chance to play so well.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

i was pissed

i went to his last game he played
and the first one he was suspended

by Kenchanayoh on Jul 14, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine anything being as suprising

as seeing the headline “Manny suspended 50 games for failing PED test.” I am still stunned that people get caught nowadays, I mean, you know they are testing.

I didn’t think the Dodgers would have the best record in the NL (let alone MLB) but I didn’t think they would be far off. I figured them to lead the West and be close to the best record, so the difference between my expectations and results are not that suprising.

Never saw the Juan Pierre month or Belisario coming. All of a sudden I heard the Dodgers brought Belisario into Glendale, next thing I know the guy is legit. Pretty insane.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

When I got to take a tour of the clubhouse and complex in Glendale, there were two players in the clubhouse as we walked through: Belisario & Troncoso. Never in my wildest dreams did I think both would end up on the roster, let alone be vital contributors to the pitching staff this season. Kind of cool.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've gotta admit

that I was sooooo wrong about Belisario at the start of this season. I was wrong to be hating on him simply because he didn’t pitch well for the Bucs or Marlins. I humbly and happily admit that I was wrong on Ronald…

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 14, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

I remember thinking in the week or two before the season started that I was worried Tron wouldn’t make the team. IIRC, his spring was not great. Plus there was the talk (even if only amongst us in the internet) of converting him to a SP which would have required him pitching in the minors as a starter to build up his arm strength. Now he is the most reliable guy in the bullpen for the first half of the year not named Broxton.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not just us

They had Troncoso try starting in the winter league, IIRC. I assumed that was part of the reason he had that early-season three-inning save.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 inning save

against colorado, preserving a one run lead the whole time.. allowing 1 hit only which was an infield single

by matthewmafa on Jul 14, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

IN Colorado

at Coors, which makes it even more amazing

by bucknellbruin on Jul 14, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Given how many valid choices we had this half

just goes to show what an interesting first half it was. In other years the Milton option might have won.
I forgot to add this one:

  • That Jason Schmidt has yet to pitch for the Dodgers *

But then that might be better used under “least surprising thing to happen in the first half”.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

That will make the second half poll…that Schmidt actually did make a pitch for them.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had to go with the record

While Manny’s suspension was very surprising, I thought while the Dodgers weren’t going to have it rough with the NL West, I figured they would hover around the third or fourth best record in the NL, certainly not have the best record in baseball before we lost Manny, after we got Manny back, and now at the All-Star break.

by Nathan S. on Jul 14, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

It all adds up to:

How did they end up with the best record in baseball???

Given Manny’s suspension, which didn’t hurt because Pierre went ape shit in May, Blake is having a career year, Kershaw is great despite leading the league (I did not know that) in walks, despite Martin’s miseries and with the aid of Weaver being so good.

Everything is a surprise!

by DRatt on Jul 14, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Walks

Even more shocking to me than Kershaw leading MLB in walks (59) is that Billingsley is tied for second (55) with Doug Davis and Yovanni Gallardo.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although 5 of Bills’ walks are intentional, and he drops to 6th in UIBB.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

To me this was a no-brainer, but I am far in the minority

Bloggers in the Dodgers press box, hands down.

Weird stuff with players performances happen all the time – perhaps it’s a surprise that so many of them have happened – but I can’t be too, too surprised by any one. Weaver doesn’t totally suck, well, saw that with Chan Ho Park just last season. Juan Pierre’s May? As mentioned above, Marlon Anderson three seasons ago. Etc.

Manny with PEDs? I find it hard to be too surprised by human failings.

But given the old school ways of baseball in general, and the more than one century long affair baseball and the newspapers (and later radio, then television) have had, I am still stunned and floored that the Dodgers have opened the doors of the press box – so hallowed that they named it for Vin Scully – to bloggers, especially when bloggers are still so reviled in other part of the mainstream media, although that seems to be subsiding some.

Eric, is it really harder to believe that the Dodgers have the best record in baseball, or Phil, that a player made a really bad choice, when you consider that you are probably still pinching yourself in the press box to make sure you aren’t dreaming?

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

That is a compelling case. It is still pretty shocking to be able to roam the hallowed halls of Dodger Stadium, not to mention be on the field and dugout.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

I have to pinch myself every time I want to get off my ass and cheer a great play. My arms still give me away when I’m not careful. It wasn’t until I was in the pressbox when I realized just how much participating in a game is a big part of the experience for me.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you.

It is not surprising that with the fall of the newspapers, and especially beat writers for all of MLB except NY/Boston, that teams would begin to turn to free bloggers for coverage. But I do find it surprising that the Dodgers would be the ones to lead the way, letting bloggers in the press box.

by mattpeters on Jul 14, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Twitter the best or worst thing ever? Today, Doug Mientkiewicz takes on Nick Swisher.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m still not really sure what Twitter is.

/Feels old

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

What About Randy Wolf?

I voted for Manny as that really was mind boggling, but is anybody else not a bit surprised that Randy Wolf has not only been really reliable, but also (knock on wood) injury free this year?

by stevesaxaphone on Jul 14, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Delusional Giant Fan

From today’s Rob Neyer chat:

Cheese (San Mateo)
I know that everyone loves Dan Haren and his amazing stats, but come on should he really have started over Timmy? Timmy has 10 wins leads in strikeouts and has the second best ERA. Oh wait he is also the reigning Cy Young. Oh yeah and the Giants are leading the Wildcard race and are only 7 games behind the “World Beater” Dodgers who everyone said would run away with the division. I would say the kid has earned it. This whol Haren is more derserving doesnt seem to hold water to me.

Emphasis mine. When did anyone say the Dodgers would run away with the division? Not in the preseason. Not when Manny was suspended.

And besides, isn’t a 7-game lead pretty damn close to running away with the division?

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

At the All-Star game that is damn close to running away with the division

However the expectation was that it was the Diamondbacks who would be the competition not the Giants or Rockies. That is going to be a fun Sept if they are still both in the running. We could see a scenario where we get to the knock the Giants out of the WC.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants v. Rockies should be fun

down the stretch…they still have 13 games against one another (7 in Col, 6 in SF).

Aside from that, here are the differences in their schedules (I tried to matchup similar opponents):

Col: 3 vs. Mil
SF: 3 at Mil

Col: 3 vs. LA
SF: 3 vs StL

Col: 3 at Was
SF: 3 at Pit

Col: 3 at Fla
SF: 3 at Hou

Col: 4 at SD
SF: 4 at Atl

Col: 3 vs NYM, 1 vs. Cin
SF: 4 vs. Phi

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Delusional Giant Fan

What? As opposed to a pragmatic, open minded Giants fan???

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 14, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evidently SilverWidow has not voted

because the Eric Milton option is the only one without a vote.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Milton is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Manny’s situation was FAR more surprising.

by silverwidow on Jul 14, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did some research on ASB leads since the Wild Card

The Dodgers are the 20th team to have a lead of at least 7 games, 18 out of 19 teams that led by 7 or more games went on to win their divisions, only Kansas City (don’t have the year handy) did not go to the playoffs (but that’s team Pyth. numbers showed it was overachieving at the break). Again, the playoffs since the W/C are a crapshoot, I believe only 3 of these clubs won the World Series (2007 Red Sox, 2005 White Sox come to mind), the Dodgers are the 20th team out of 90 possible since 1995 to have such a huge lead at the break.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 14, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Its amazing how big the leads were thtat Cleveland had in the 90's

Double digit leads, the Indians certainly dominated the AL Central for the first few years out of the way of the Yankees and Red Sox.

Atlanta also used to have large leads back then.

Two teams you think you would see but don’t too oftern is the Yankees and the Red Sox, primarily because it was usually difficult for one them to have such a big lead

by bhsportsguy on Jul 14, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Albert Belle and company were a formidible team

I was totally a bandwagon Indian fan at the time. Baby Manny sealed the deal.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was beautiful that they got good right after “Major League.”

Also, I liked Cleveland because my high school was nicknamed the Indians, so I had a hat, that’s for sure.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are they nicknamed now?

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually, still the Indians

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprising

My wife’s Birmingham Braves are now the Patriots. Couldn’t they have just made the nickname singular and been named for an adjective?

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know the divisions were aligned differently back then, but I wonder if KC would’ve had a good enough (4th best in AL) to atleast get the wild-card.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jul 14, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is definitely not a pampered athlete story: Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell had a tough time getting to St. Louis.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

That reminds me

I was going to ask how different the game threads are this year compared to last year here at TBLA. I didn’t come over here until the preseason of this year, so I’m wondering what the threads were like. It seems like now the average game thread is around 700 comments.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha -

Our game threads usually consisted of Tango & Cash talking to himself if Andrew wasn’t around. I find it funny now that we have alot of commentators he’s not around to enjoy the threads. I went to more games last year so wasn’t around for very many of the threads.

I think at most we had four – six people in a game thread. The level of participation and cleverness of our posters has made our game threads fun, plus the SBNation game thread platform just can’t be beat. Some patterns cannot be broken, we have at least five regulars who double post here and at DT during a game.

by meercatjohn on Jul 14, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who changed the software today?
plus the SBNation game thread platform just can’t be beat.

Well that was true. Today when I comment, the screen places me at the top of the topic. That is going to be pretty annoying in a game thread that already has hundreds of comments. Still better than that piece o’ crap software the LA Times uses though.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

El Lay Dave,

Can you shoot me an email describing in detail what happens? I’ll forward to support and maybe they can fix. I haven’t been getting that problem.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually had that problem too Eric

I post a comment, and the page shoots all the way up to the heading of the post. It happened the other day during a game thread that took place in the middle of the day.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Good to know…I will forward on.

I think when it gets busy, the auto-updating gets a bit bogged down. I think it loads 8 new comments at a time. Slightly off topic, that’s why sometimes your comment may appear sooner on your screen than another, when in fact the other was first. Upon refresh, the correct chronological order should appear.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

I am seeing that consistently in this topic. Every time I post a reply it relocates me to the top of the window. Maybe because a poll is up there?? I just commented in other places and that did not occur.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, with some testing

It seems that replies, here and on other topics, shoot me to the top, but new comments at the bottom (full outdent, or no indent) keep me in place.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that reply didn't shoot me to the top

Problem fixed?

I have far more faith that SB Nation’s blog software will fix this immediately, than the LAT’s blog software will fix anything ever.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sent it along to tech support…they don’t always respond directly; sometimes they fix stuff behind the scenes, but it should get taken care of soon.

Let me know if it keeps occurring.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I was around for game threads last year

I mostly made fun of Andrew’s hair color du jour and his drink choices.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Double posters

Do you feel like the mistress whose lover won’t leave his long-time and dependable wife when we continue to post at DT during games while we are posting here too? ;)

My immense ego compels me to post in both places in case there is a single soul in either that really wants to read what I posted. The reality is I mostly game thread here and post the occasion piece of information over there. You are absolutely right that this platform is far superior for game threads. Really, the entire look and feel of this blog is great. It really gives you the tools to reach towards the goals you have for this blog. I bet Jon Weisman would prefer the LAT visibility combined with SB nation software. And with your links from yahoo! sports, the visibility is increasing.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet Jon Weisman would be thrilled to have the toaster software back, let alone the SBNation software.

That LA Times software is complete crap.

I’m actually surprised there are double posters.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That LA Times software is complete crap.

Sure seems like it.

I’ve been in software professionally for over a quarter-century, mostly in applications that require very high reliability, and I can’t imagine that blog software could possibly so complex that it is so impossible to maintain as the LAT software appears to be. Hell, Ken Arenson wrote the Toaster software, which operated quite nicely, as a damn hobby!

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I rather liked the Toaster software. The numbered posts and the brackets which took you directly to the post. Plus, the bolding without having to use HTML tags.

It doesn’t highlight unread posts in yellow though. Now that I’m used to it here, I just can’t go back to not knowing how many new comments there are for a post.

by Michael White on Jul 14, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

My immense ego compels me to post in both places in case there is a single soul in either that really wants to read what I posted

That is true for me as well. Sometimes I’ll find something that I find interesting, that I just have to post in both places :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I simply want to respond to something written there that just has no context here.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The All-Star Game

Grant from McCovey Chronicles checks in:

Hating that is like hating ice cream. There’s no law against it, but the odds are that if you hate the All-Star Game and/or ice cream, you’re a disagreeable malcontent from Elitistville, USA, and you probably hate puppies too.

That cracked me up.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 14, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I love ice cream. Puppies too.

But I’m certain I have my disagreeable malcontent (curmudgeon is such a superior term for this) side. Not sure what it has to do with elitism, although San Franciscans complaining about elitists may qualify as irony.

Why I am craving Chunky Monkey and Cherry Garcia? Or McConnell’s of Santa Barbara?

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Skips AA

That’s a little rare isn’t it? Isn’t conventional wisdom that the biggest jump is up to AA ball?

Maybe he’s being showcased for trade for an offensive upgrade in LF or 2B. ;) Easy for Billy Beane to scout him against better competition in Fresno than Connecticut. In my wildest dreams, Posey is traded for Freddy Sanchez.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost wrote "former batting champion Freddy Sanchez"

That should put Sabean into man-crush mode.

How does a guy named Bumgarner not end up in the Dodger organization? Bummer.

by David Young on Jul 14, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

his agent told teams that his asking price was going to be really high JUST so teams would pass on him and fall to the dodgers at 20 which was where his agent wanted him to go

too bad the giants drafted him

by matthewmafa on Jul 14, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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