Mid-Season Dodgers Top 30 Prospects List by CanuckDodger
[Editor's note: Here are the midseason top 30 Dodger prospects, as ranked by CanuckDodger. Thanks to Tripon for converting this to a FanPost]
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I won’t count 2009 draftees till my end-of-season list. Right now here is how I rank what we have. Will answer all questions directed at me, but please be patient as I am not on the computer all the time
(01). Scott Elbert, LHP
(02). Andrew Lambo, OF
(03). Chris Withrow, RHP
(04). Josh Lindblom, RHP
(05). James McDonald, RHP
(06). Josh Bell, 3B
(07). Nathan Eovaldi, RHP
(08). Ethan Martin, RHP
(09). Ivan DeJesus, Jr., SS
(10). Dee Gordon, SS
(11). Xavier Paul, OF
(12). Steve Johnson, RHP
(13). Tim Sexton, RHP
(14). Brent Leach, LHP
(15). Jamie Hoffmann, OF
(16). Travis Schlichting, RHP
(17). Justin Miller, RHP
(18). Trayvon Robinson, OF
(19). Matt Sartor, RHP
(20). Victor Garate, LHP
(21). Javy Guerra, RHP
(22). Luis Garcia, RHP
(23). Geison Aquasviva, LHP
(24). Cole St. Clair, LHP
(25). Elisaul Pimentel, RHP
(26). Pedro Baez, 3B
(27). Scott Van Slyke, OF
(28). Carl Webster, RHP
(29). Steve Caseres, 1B
(30). Jon Michael Redding, RHP
Here are other comments CanuckDodger made.
On Dee Gordon:
I don’t believe the hype yet. A lot of raw position prospects get over-rated just because they run really fast. It is like the prospect world’s version of loving Juan Pierre. Right now Gordon is the same age as DeJesus was last year, and DeJesus hit .324/.419/.423 in Double A last year.
On the state of the farm system:
We lack big flash at the top. We have a ton of pitchers that I think can eventually make the majors and stay there, with some of them possibly becoming stars. Our strength in reliever prospects may be the best I have ever seen it, but a lot of experts won’t give a farm credit for that. Outside of future fourth outfielders, we are really weak in position player prospects. I listed only ten position players and only two of those guys are people I can see being major league regulars for the Dodgers in the future (barring more progress from Gordon, and we will see how DeJesus recovers from his broken leg). I rated Xavier Paul higher than I was at first inclined to because while he would never be a regular for us, I can see him being a regular if he is traded to a second division team.
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Thanks Canuck
We pretty much agree on the top ten even if they are not in the same order but differ after that . The team does seem loaded with possible major league relief pitchers.
I understand the no love for Kyle Russell but I think if you think of him as a platoon lefty he’s at least a top 20 guy. Easily the most power in the system and the K’s are the biggest concerns but I look at him as a Russ Branyan who can actually play the outfield. That would be his ceiling anyway and he may never do any better then Billy Ashley but I’ll take the power potential over the plethora of bullpen prospects.
The lists are fun, I put out my top 15 several weeks ago and Kensai put out his last week. I’ll match them up and create a table.
Kyle Russell
But Russell’s AB’s to SO’s ratio is still 3 to 1 when he is facing right handed pitching. That would be bad enough at any age against any level of competition, but Russell is in his age 23 season and is playing in low A, a man among boys. The low A bullpen guys I put on my list are all pitchers I don’t envision having a problem surviving Double A once they reach that level. Russell doesn’t make my list because I honestly see Russell getting eaten alive by Double A pitchers, and he is not going to be young when he gets there. He’ll have to prove me wrong about that before I even think of changing my mind on Russell. Russell hitting more home runs in the Midwest League certainly isn’t going to change it. And believe it or not, I checked Branyan’s minor league record to see if he, as a minor leaguer, was as easy to K as Russell is. The answer is no, and he played at various levels when he was younger than Russell.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 15, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
As Reference this was Canuck's top 30 after the end of last year.
01. Scott Elbert, LHP
02. Andrew Lambo, OF
03. Ivan DeJesus, Jr. SS
04. James McDonald, RHP
05. Ethan Martin, RHP
06. Josh Lindblom, RHP
07. Austin Gallagher, 3B
08. Josh Bell, 3B
09. Chris Withrow, RHP
10. Ramon Troncoso, RHP
11. Michael Watt, LHP
12. Nathan Eovaldi, RHP
13. Steve Johnson, RHP
14. Geison Aguasviva, LHP
15. James Adkins, LHP
16. Xavier Paul, OF
17. Jon Michael Redding, RHP
18. Josh Wall, RHP
19. Tony Delmonico, 2B
20. Jesus Castillo, RHP
21. Devaris Strange-Gordon, SS
22. Justin Miller, RHP
23. Pedro Baez, 3B
24. Jaime Pedroza, SS
25. Tim Sexton, RHP
26. Matt Sartor, RHP
27. Elisaul Pimentel, RHP
28. Victor Garate, LHP
29. Miguel Sanfler, LHP
30. Francisco Felix, RHP
31. Cole St. Clair, LHP
32. Kyle Russell, OF
Kensai did the same thing but I dont' see how DeJesus drops in the ranking
because of the broken leg. It was a simple break and should have no effect on his baseball skills going forward and I’ve yet to see any of the prospects do anything to knock him down.
I remembered you being a fan of Castillo so I was surprised he didn’t make your list over the multitude of bullpen pitchers.
Jesus Castillo
Castillo was a bit older than a starting pitcher should be in Double A last year, but I decided last year to give him the benefit of the doubt. Castillo is now a year older and is still at Double A, and not performing as well as he did before. So off the list he goes.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I just worry about the injury...
and the year in development.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 16, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions
great list
how do you determine the rank of players who have a tremendous amount of potential on the list? For example, Brent Leach does not have a really high ceiling, but he is “major league ready” right now as he is doing well on the team, but he’s lower than guys who haven’t “proven” themselves yet at the major league or even AAA level. Same goes for Troncoso. I’m not disagreeing with the list but I was wondering what sort of formula you used to place some of the younger prospects
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
Criteria For Rankings
BoulderDodger: No formula, or anything scientific. I do what Baseball America claims they do when making up their lists for individual organizations. I try to balance potential with polish, but usually give more favor to potential. The list you see isn’t my first, or even second, draft. I thought about each player, and other players who didn’t make the cut. I made an initial list and then started to move players up or down relative to each other, trying to get each player to “fit” just right. The list you see is by no means written in stone. It is a snapshot in time, representing my thinking right now. And I really hate the fact that I lack scouting information on a few guys, like Sartor, Garcia, Pimentel, and Webster. I am relying on their impressive stats to a degree that makes me nervous.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Canuck: How would you compare Withrow’s present stuff at age 20 to where Billingsley was in 2004? Does he have a similar ceiling? From watching some footage on youtube, it’s hard not to love Withrow’s delivery and big curve. And from what I’ve read, he has some major zip on the fastball. All the more impressive, his peripherals look really good for pitching in a tough hitter’s league.
Lets remember this about Chad
Per Baseball America
2003 – No. 2 Prospect (1st pitcher) Pioneer League (Rookie)
2004 – No. 2 Prospect (1st pitcher) Florida State League (High A)
2005 – No. 5 Prospect (1st pitcher) Southern League (AA)
2006 – No. 4 Prospect (2nd pitcher, behind J. Weaver) Pacific Coast League (AAA)
So Chad, generally among the youngest pitchers in his league, was considered the best pitching prospect during that season.
Its hard to compare anyone currently on the Dodger system to Billingsley.
by bhsportsguy on Jul 15, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I was asking about Withrow's stuff, not ranking
It’s clear that he’s not on the national radar like Billingsley at the time, but that doesn’t mean much. BA said Kemp was barely a top 100 prospect entering the 2006 season and look at him today.
by silverwidow on Jul 15, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Billingsley/Withrow
Billingsley had an advantage in that he had two breaking balls, his curve and his slider (which had yet to morph into a cutter), at age 20, while Withrow just throws the curve. I think Billingsley used to throw harder than he does now, and was more of a mid-90’s guy then. Withrow reaches the mid-90’s now but I don’t know how well he sustains it. Withrow’s taller, thinner frame suggests to me that he may yet throw harder in the future, while the more squat Billingsley lost some of his heat as he aged. I am also keeping in mind what Charlie Hough said about Withrow: that he has the best arm he has seen in 10 years, so that means he is counting both Billingsley and Kershaw. I think Withrow has a ceiling as an ace. I am just not sure how fast he will reach it. I don’t think he has the same feel for pitching at his age that Billingsley did. Withrow could be like Edwin Jackson and have some tough times before figuring everything out at 25.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like his list
Not high on Johnson and Sexton being above Leach and Schlichting, but I could see it depending on the reasoning.
see Canuck below…he only considers AB or IP requirements, not service time.
Per MLB rules, Leach and McDonald have exhausted their rookie eligibility during the first half. Of course, the are still eligible for this year’s rookie of the year, but I don’t know if I would include them as prospects. But its Canuck’s list.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 16, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Johnson/Sexton
Unless they are lacking any other positive attributes, starting pitchers below the age of 23 who do well in the California League deserve some love. Johnson tops Sexton on my list because he is 21 while Sexton is 22, and Johnson apparently throws harder and gets more K’s. Though Johnson has given up a lot of home runs, I tend to think that is just par for the course for fly ball pitchers in the California League. Sexton’s good control in and of itself makes him something of a novelty among Dodger starting pitcher prospects, and the fact that he has a ground out/air out ratio of 2.17 makes me think the K rate is not something to get too worried about. Both Johnson and Sexton have better ERA’s than McDonald managed when he was 22 in the California League in 2007 (3.95 for MacDonald, 3.82 for Johnson, and 3.23 for Sexton).
Why do Leach and Schlichting rank below Johnson and Sexton, even though Leach is in the majors and Schlichting made it to the majors? Hey, as much as I think reliever prospects are given insufficient respect, they are still second class citizens compared to the starting prospects, unless a starting prospect has a few more things going against him than Johnson and Sexton have going against them. Perhaps if Leach and Schlichting looked like future closers I could have justified putting them higher, but that isn’t the case.
Thanks
Schlichting is probably a major league reliever, around average, so I can understand that. I think Leach is significantly better than average though.
I think there is an argument for Johnson because he has better raw stuff and better ratios. Regardless of the numbers Sexton puts up, i’ve yet to see anything that makes me think major leaguer. :o
I should address Johnson at some point.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 16, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions
No one has fallen harder then Austin Gallagher from a top ten prospect a year ago to off the list. He’s had a number of injuries this year but what have you heard about his struggles?
Gallagher
I haven’t heard anything about Gallagher; I have just seen that he hasn’t produced this year despite going down to a lower level. I feared last year that his offensive numbers were a California League illusion. That’s why I am tempering expectations for the position players who are with Inland Empire now that made my list. I am very skeptical of Van Slyke, Baez, and Caseres. Robinson too, but Robinson is the best of the lot to me because he is a middle fielder rather than a corner guy . It doesn’t hurt that he steals some bases and switch hits either.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
By that criteria
you were probably skeptical of Santana and he’s done nothing to sway the idea that his Cal League numbers were a fluke. They don’t play in Lancaster.
About Santana...
Until Santana hit well after the trade to Cleveland, and his placement in the Carolina League, I think there were a lot of doubts that Santana was for real. Santana got a lot of respect as a Cleveland prospect that he wasn’t getting as a Dodger prospect tearing up the California League. Unfair? Well, it is not like there isn’t a lot of precedent for guys hitting well in the California League and then falling flat when they move on.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Same people doubted Pablo Sandoval
at this time last year Sandoval and Santana were neck and neck in destroying the Cal League.
by meercatjohn on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Good To Know
Any specifics? I didn’t hear/read anything about nagging injuries.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 16, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He's on the DL right now
I’m hoping to get more info.
by meercatjohn on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Rookie Status
BoulderDodger mentioned Troncoso above so I just wanted to make sure I was correct about this. You would not include any players that have lost their rookie status which I believe includes Dewitt, Wade, Troncoso and obviously Kershaw. Am I correct about this, or would some of those guys been eligible for inclusion and simply not made your list?
Thanks, great list.
Correct about Troncoso. He didn’t meet the IP requirement last year to be an MLB rookie but did surpass the service time requirement.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 16, 2009 7:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Eligibility
130 AB’s for position players, and 50 innings for pitchers. If a guy has reached either of those totals in the majors, he is not eligible for my list. I don’t care about the MLB service time issue.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Gould
Canuck: I think I know the answer to this question already, but is Gould a top 10 prospect if he signs?
Gould A Top 10 Prospect If He Signs?
It depends on how many of our current Top 10 Colletti trades away in the next couple of weeks.:)
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Canuck ...
Enjoyed the list. I like being kept informed on what youngsters are up to in the organization.
My only question is why are there no catchers on this list? I know that we’ve traded a couple of solid catchers over the past few years but is our crop that bare?
Yes
Lucas May and AJ Ellis are our AAA and AA catchers but they still are just major league backups at best.
Jeremy Wise was drafted in the 4th round in this draft could be our best catching prospect very quickly. Tony Delmonico is easily the best hitter but he was just converted this past winter and from I understand is having lots of problems with the conversion. Hopefully once he’s comfortable with the position his bat will come back to life. He’s easily in my top 30.
Trading Carlos Santana was not a good move on so many levels but that is water over the bridge now.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No Catchers
I think the Dodgers success in converting Martin to a catcher from a 3B made the Dodgers think they didn’t have to bother actually drafting any catchers in early rounds. — they could just convert other guys. Now we are showing the result of neglecting stocking up at that position.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
What is up with all the love for Nathan Eovaldi? Not saying that there’s anything wrong with it, but I thought I was the only one who liked him from last year’s draft, but it seems everybody is in the same line of thinking. Sorta surprised me. :o
Hugh who covers the Loons told me that during spring practice
the scouts were as high on Eovaldi as Martin and some even liked him more. It will be curious how this plays out but the 2008 draft is looking very deep. Did you see the tandem game they did last night?
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I thought he was more of a sleeper, hence when I did my report, that’s what I treated him as.
He basically had similar stuff, but the question mark was his recovery from surgery and now he’s getting stronger as the season goes.
Surprised by how many actually did have him pegged from the start.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 16, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Eovaldi
Kensai, you didn’t see that Baseball America had him in our Top 10?
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Russell and Baez
See my comment on Russell near the top, and I think Kensai pegs Baez accurately below.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have him at 23...
…regardless of him being in the futures game for whatever reason.
He’s in the CAL league, his BB rate is regressing and the K rate is still horrible. Power is better this year but he’s been lucky to even be hitting .288.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 16, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm doing one in the coming weeks
if you want to see one
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 24, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions

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