Mid Season Prospect Ranking
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
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Several weeks ago I posted my top 15, and yesterday CanuckDodger posted his top 30. I asked Kensai of Memories of Kevin Malone if he'd provide us with his top 30 and so he did. Kensai wants everyone to know that he only rates players he's seen video on. As with Canucks list if you have any questions go a head ask him and I'm sure he will reply. I've also fleshed out my top 30.
Players in bold are players that only that person has ranked.
| Kensai | Canuck | PhilG |
| 1-Josh Lindblom | (01). Scott Elbert, LHP | Scott Elbert |
| 2-James McDonald | (02). Andrew Lambo, OF | Ivan DeJesus |
| 3-Scott Elbert | (03). Chris Withrow, RHP | Josh Lindblom |
| 4-Ethan Martin | (04). Josh Lindblom, RHP | James McDonald |
| 5-Andrew Lambo | (05). James McDonald, RHP | Dee Gordon |
| 6-Chris Withrow | (06). Josh Bell, 3B | Andrew Lambo |
| 7-Josh Bell | (07). Nathan Eovaldi, RHP | Chris Withrow |
| 8-Dee Gordon | (08). Ethan Martin, RHP | Ethan Martin |
| 9-Ivan DeJesus | (09). Ivan DeJesus, Jr., SS | Nathan Eovaldi |
| 10-Nathan Eovaldi | (10). Dee Gordon, SS | Joshua Bell |
| 11-Brent Leach | (11). Xavier Paul, OF | Kyle Russell |
| 12-Kyle Russell | (12). Steve Johnson, RHP | Steven Caseres |
| 13-Xavier Paul | (13). Tim Sexton, RHP | Steve Johnson |
| 14-Steve Johnson | (14). Brent Leach, LHP | Tim Sexton |
| 15-Tony Delmonico | (15). Jamie Hoffmann, OF | Pedro Baez |
| 16-Jon Michael Redding | (16). Travis Schlichting, RHP | Xavier Paul |
| 17-Tim Sexton | (17). Justin Miller, RHP | Jamie Hoffman |
| 18-Travis Schlichting | (18). Trayvon Robinson, OF | Austin Gallagher |
| 19-Justin Miller | (19). Matt Sartor, RHP | Trayvon Robinson |
| 20-Victor Garate | (20). Victor Garate, LHP | Justin Miller |
| 21-Jamie Hoffmann | (21). Javy Guerra, RHP | Jon Michael Redding |
| 22-Jaime Pedroza | (22). Luis Garcia, RHP | Scott Van Slyke |
| 23-Pedro Baez | (23). Geison Aquasviva, LHP | Geison Aquasviva |
| 24-Matt Sartor | (24). Cole St. Clair, LHP | Jesus Castillo |
| 25-Javy Guerra | (25). Elisaul Pimentel, RHP | Brent Leach |
| 26-Cole St. Clair | (26). Pedro Baez, 3B | Travis Schlichting |
| 27-Trayvon Robinson | (27). Scott Van Slyke, OF | Lucas May |
| 28-Geison Aquasviva | (28). Carl Webster, RHP | Victor Garate |
| 29-Rubby De La Rosa | (29). Steve Caseres, 1B | Jamie Pedroza |
| 30-Lucas May | (30). Jon Michael Redding, RHP | Javy Guerra |
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For The Record
Just Missed-Elisaul Pimentel, Steven Caseres, Paul Koss, Scott Van Slyke, Austin Gallagher, Danny Danielson, Chris Jacobs, Carl Webster, Jordan Pratt, Daigoro Rondon
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He needs to show something
He’s playing everyday for Ogden and he’s still only 20 years old but he’s repeating a rookie league.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean?
Same place Preston Mattingly, James Adkins, and Greg Miller are.
Okay, not really, but he’s a 20-year-old in Rookie-ball who has shown only one ability: to strikeout a lot.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me quite a while to figure out all of Phil’s names between here, the old DT and the new DT.
by Michael White on Jul 16, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing that Wall and Adkins don't come close to being in the hunt. Logan really whiffed on those two
Where do you think Watt would have pigeonholed in and I think it is a given that Santana would be number one?
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Santana...
…is easily #1 for me.
Watt would be more interesting. Lefty with solid peripherals, but not much stuff that makes me excited.
Johnson/Redding/Miller/Sexton range for me.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
roberto feliciano
hes dominating rookie ball.. whip of .80
no mention of him?
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll only answer for myself
but I have no rookie ball players in my listing. I’ve found out that rookie ball statistics mean squat.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and Canuck value relief pitchers more then I do
I usually find that the starters who don’t have what it takes turn into better relief pitchers then the guys sent to the bullpen from the beginning.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
…in the majors?
Garate/St. Clair/Guerra have already gone through that transition.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But St. Clair and Guerra were doing it at an advanced age in Low A ball in a pitchers league
I can’t be impressed with them until I see how they do against advanced hitters.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
…Garate is holding up well for now, and Guerra is getting tested. Hence, the order of the ranking.
St. Clair just got started, but i’m not sure if they Dodgers are going to keep him as a reliever or if they’re just doing this to work his arm back slowly.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually....
…it’s pretty sad that I couldn’t even rank another starter over a reliever on the list if I wanted to.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Aaron Miller can show something
and Mr. Gould
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any news on Gould?
I want him.
:o
And yeah, if I was including this year’s picks, I think Miller/Gould (No Pun) would be above the relievers.
I believe the same as you, that starters are always worth more. I just don’t think the system has that many good starters.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gould is on my list of questions for Sunday…I’m going to see if anyone will comment on the rumor that the commissioner’s office sits on above-slot contracts to keep them from having a trickle-down effect on other contracts.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 16, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case...
…why does baseball even operate under the illusion of the free market for draft signees? If they require slots or whatever, then that’s basically the same as the NBA does already, right?
I don’t quite get how they select to enforce those rules. Like I heard somebody’s draft pick agreed with the terms, but the commish’s office said that it was too high and denied it.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think those stories are true, but I’ll try to find out. If the two sides agree on a contract, there is really nothing the commissioner can do unless it has some weird clauses or something.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 16, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I heard somebody’s draft pick agreed with the terms, but the commish’s office said that it was too high and denied it.
I’ve never heard that. I hear the slotting system is more “strongly recommended” that teams follow it. Of course, teams like the Yankees and Tigers have absolutely no problem just completely ignoring the slot recommendations. I don’t think MLB can reject a contract (or else Porcello certainly would have been) unlike in basketball where the slotting systems works very well.
by Michael White on Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found it!
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4316025&name=gammons_peter
One small-market Central Division team that hasn’t done very well for years has essentially completed a deal with its fourth-round pick, who isn’t a college junior and thus has bargaining leverage. But the commissioner’s office doesn’t like that the agreed-upon number is above slot and has refused to sign off, so the player hasn’t gotten out there and is being kept from what the team decided is his market value.
Sounds fishy to me.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very fishy
and considering that small market team in the central almost certainly has to be Kansas City; I think it’s total BS that the league would refuse to sign off on that considering what other teams in their division (Detroit) have done in recent years.
by Michael White on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you going to ask?
Is Ned available? Torre won’t know. Josh won’t answer that question.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping for Ned. I’m going to email Josh to see if Logan will be around on Sunday, and if not, I’ll email him instead of ask him in person.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
josh wall
his line drive percentage is 9.7… isnt that very good?
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sample Size
But it’s better than him getting shelled, sure.
I wouldn’t read too much into it.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know why Lindblom was promoted to AAA?
by Rolex l on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To see if he could handle adversity?
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why...
…the Dodgers fast track certain guys to see if they can handle the league, but they’ll let guys like Russell or some of the relievers just toil in A-ball when it’s clear they’re not learning anything by crapping all over kids. :o
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt promote russell either. he strikes out way too much.
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point though...
…he’s not going to learn to adjust unless he figures out that it’s not going to work at higher levels.
He’s striking out a lot, but he still has an OPS of .900 or whatever, so he doesn’t really need to change. Now if he moves up to AA and his approach doesn’t work, it forces him to adjust or bust.
I want to see which one it is, because he’s not learning anything by continuing to do the same thing over and over in A-ball with far less polished players.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on that Ryan Howard would still be in A ball
at some point you have to see what they can do against advanced pitching. I’d love to ask DeJon Watson why Russell is still in low A. With Mario Songco getting promoted to the Loons I thought for sure the next transaction would be Russell headed for the Lookouts.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For years guys have asked why
Logan White didn’t draft projectable power. Now that he has they get little respect. It is not like guys with big time power don’t come with K rate problems, otherwise they would be top 10 picks and not snagged in the 4th/5th rounds. Logan has been drafting power now for the last few years and all these guys have warts but at least Russell is mashing when he hits the ball. His ISOP leads the league by far. His HR/FB ratio is the best in the league. Good chance if Russell gets the ball in the air it is going out. He even has a solid walk ratio.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has the right idea at least...
…with the Three True Outcomes instead of only two like some power guys.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron miller
will he be a starter or reliever?
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see Lindblom as a back-end rotation guy but that’s fine with me, Boof Bonser is a good comparable.
by Rolex l on Jul 16, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He has some upside...
…I like him and McDonald because they combine middle rotation potential with polish.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Composite Rankings
1 Scott Elbert
2 Josh Lindblom
3 James McDonald
4 Andrew Lambo
5 Chris Withrow
6 Ivan DeJesus
7 Ethan Martin
8 Dee Gordon
9 Joshua Bell
10 Nathan Eovaldi
11 Steve Johnson
12 Xavier Paul
13 Jamie Hoffman
14 Tim Sexton
15 Brent Leach
16 Kyle Russell
17 Justin Miller
18 Travis Schlichting
19 Pedro Baez
20 Trayvon Robinson
21 Jon Michael Redding
22 Steven Caseres
23 Geison Aquasviva
24 Matt Sartor
25 Victor Garate
26 Austin Gallagher
27 Scott Van Slyke
28 Cole St. Clair
29 Jamie Pedroza
30 Luis Garcia
31 Jesus Castillo
32 Javy Guerra
33 Elisaul Pimentel
34 Lucas May
35 Carl Webster
36 Rubby De La Rosa
by Yodasbrthr on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spreadsheet form
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=t52w5_IHfM9sx2p1d0hQ8Rg
This is based on the average ranking of the three posters. Players that did not make all lists were assigned 31 points for not appearing on a list.
by Yodasbrthr on Jul 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Songco
Where would he rank in this list?
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Things will change when the 2009 draftee's have a 1/2 year of professional ball
I like Wise and Songco but Songco has the exact same problem that Kyle Russell has. He can’t hit LHP and K’s at an alarming rate.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Songco Average is .333 vs left handers
with a .556 slugging in 18 at bats
also he does strikeout as much as russell
by matthewmafa on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never seen him play, but...
…i’ll ask for his tape for next year.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you’d like about Russell’s strikeout rate, the guy can mash. If Russell Branyan and Adam Dunn had a love child, it would be Kyle Russell
by Rolex l on Jul 16, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can somebody ask CanuckDodger...
…who Luis Garcia is? I’ve never seen him or really noticed him.
Would be nice to know if he’s worth taking a look at.
by kensai on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice K/Walk Ratio but don't see how he's any different then Javy
You should ask him in his thread. He might still be checking it.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luis Garcia
This is one of the guys I said I am nervous about ranking because I don’t know anything about his stuff. I just really like his numbers while being the age he is relative to his competition. Only 9 walks in 50.2 IP. 2.66 ERA. 42 K’s may not seem great for 50.2 IP, but I expect fewer K’s from pitchers who get a lot of ground balls (Garcia has a 1.71 GA/AO ratio). Phil wondered how Garcia is different than Guerra. Guerra is a flyball pitcher one thing. Guerra is also older. I ranked Guerra a place higher because I know what kind of stuff he has, but depending on what kind of stuff Garcia has, he may be the better relief prospect. I am not seeing any red flags that would suggest he may have trouble at higher levels.
by CanuckDodger on Jul 16, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I meant that they were both older prospects who dominated a low A pitchers league with excellent K/W ratios. I whiffed on the age as I thought Garcia was near the same age but I see he is 15 months younger, however Javy had the much more dominant K rate. To bad the control Javy showed for the Loons has gone to hell in a handbasket with the Lookouts.
by meercatjohn on Jul 16, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Purcell's top-15 at the moment
Scott Elbert
Dee Gordon
James McDonald
Andrew Lambo
Josh Bell
Chris Withrow
Ivan De Jesus
Josh Lindblom
Ethan Martin
Nathan Eovaldi
Steven Johnson
Tim Sexton
Scott Van Slyke
Xavier Paul
Pedro Baez
by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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