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Dodgers Drop Another One To Astros

Chad Billingsley simply didn't have it tonight, posting one of the worst starts of his career.  He couldn't get out of the second inning, and the Astros and Roy Oswalt cruised to a 8-1 victory in game two of the four-game set.  Oswalt may have had a shutout, were it not for a fly ball triple by Orlando Hudson in the third inning, a ball that Hunter Pence simply lost in the lights.

I don't have much to offer as a recap, other than these words of wisdom by Vin Scully, uttered in the top of the second:

People always understand if you talk about a hitter, and you say "well he's struggling; he's in a slump."  they rarely realize that pitchers also get into a slump.  Where a hitter can get into a slump because if he slips into a hitch, or he's trying to pull everything, or he opens up too soon, or he over-strides, there's a million reasons why a hitter falls into a slump.

But pitchers have to do so very much out on the mound that people sometimes overlook the fact that they have their own slumps.  That they fall into a trap of getting away from their natural rhythm.  And whatever it is, for CB, like so many other pitchers before him, he is in a slump.

Clayton Kershaw faces Mike Hampton tomorrow night.

In the meantime, enjoy this video of Matt Kemp with his "big brother" Torii Hunter (thanks to shoothoop for the link):

WP - Roy Oswalt (6-4):  CG 9 IP, 4 hits, 1 run, 5 strikeouts

LP - Chad Billingsley (9-5):  1.2 IP, 9 hits, 6 runs

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I know Loretta is the primary PH

But I’d like to see Kemp get a PH tonight, even with his bad numbers against Oswalt.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Once the game was out of hand, there was no point. Just let him take a full day off.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Lee left the game for precautionary reasons due to a left knee contusion, per Alyson Footer.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

to me

billingsley is not an ace until he gets a change up… a change up is the best pitch in baseball and every ace in baseball has a good one

imagine how good billingsley would be if he had a changeup

by matthewmafa on Jul 17, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

He has a changeup.

He discarded it for the cutter he throws as his first pitch.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree, and suggest that the last two years of Billingsley’s work say otherwise.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here are the pitch types for Chad

per Bill James Online:

2007
Fastball 64%
Curve 14%
Cutter 14%
Slider 3%
Change 3%
Uncharted 1%

2008
Fastball 57%
Cutter 18%
Curve 17%
Change 2%
Slider 2%
Uncharted 3%

2009 (before tonight)
Fastball 46%
Cutter 23%
Curve 20%
Slider 4%
Change 1%
Uncharted 6%

Chad has thrown only 16 changeups in 2079 pitches this year. Wow.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Progressively relying on moving pitches each year…don’t know a breakdown of how each pitch was hit though…that would be nice to see.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

roy halladay

chad and halldays three primary pitches are fastball cutter curveball

roy halladay is basically chad billingsley with a better curve, cutter, and fastball

by matthewmafa on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Halladay is even more pronounced…Rivera-esque with the cutter:

2009
Cutter 44%
Fastball 30%
Curve 23%

Slightly more curves (at the expense of cutters) to RHB.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Just for fun, I looked up Mariano Rivera:

2009
Cutter 89% (!!!!!)
Fastball 9%
Uncharted 3%

I’ll assume the uncharted ones were also cutters :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 17, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

both hallday and rivera Dont walk ANYONE at all

billingsley is top 5 in walks

by matthewmafa on Jul 17, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Change Up?

What happened to your dictum above that every ace in baseball has a good change-up? Halladay doesn’t have one any more than Biliingsley. And by the way, the change-up is not the best pitch in baseball. It is the third most important one in baseball.

by CanuckDodger on Jul 17, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm guessing you think a 95+ mph fastball is the best?

Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC Champions

by wongy on Jul 17, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Best" Isn't Even Correct Word

The correct word is “important,” and velocity is not relevant to what we are talking about right now. Non-fastballs are called “secondary pitches” for a reason. Second in importance is a breaking ball, be it a curve or a slider. Fastball and breaking ball — these are what get amateur pitchers drafted, and get minor league pitchers to the majors. A change-up is an extra. It can make a good pitcher great, but it remains an extra. It is not a foundation to build on. Eric Stults has a much better change-up than Billingsley, Kershaw, Wolf, or Kuroda. Four of the guys named in the preceding sentence are in the majors, and one of them isn’t.

by CanuckDodger on Jul 17, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

change up can make you great

billingsley is just good for now till he gets a more reliable one to get left handers out

plus hallday throws a sinker which left handers hit into the ground and he throws more change ups then billinslgey 5 % to 1 %

by matthewmafa on Jul 18, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lately...

…Billingsley hasn’t even been “good,” but before that he was genuinely “great,” not just good, and he was that way barely using a change-up. Billingsley, like Halladay, gets lefties out with his cutter. That is why he developed the cutter: to serve as a substitute for the change-up that he has problems with. And of course Kershaw is effective without much of a change-up or a cutter.

According to Fangraphs, Halladay has thrown change-ups only 1.8% of the time this season, and Billingsley, 0.8%. Not much of a difference at all. And of course Billingsley throws a slider once in a while and Halladay doesn’t have one of those, period.

by CanuckDodger on Jul 18, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty morbid Dodgers post game show on Prime Ticket.

At the end, they realized that Mike Hampton is pitching for the Astros on Sat. :)

Odd on the disrespect they Kershaw. ’He’s pitching better’?

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Billinsgley talked to the media.

Kinda cliched, but its good that he talked. Some guys might have ducked the thing.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Wonder if there’s a way to get Harden or Lilly from the Cubs.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sort of torn on Chad as an ace

He has ace stuff, and I think is on the career path towards that based on the past two years. But he’s got an ERA of almost 4, I’d imagine his ERA + after tonight is slightly above league average, and at this point in the season (more then halfway) – the numbers are what they are.

by oshea2002 on Jul 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Derek Lowe struggled throughout the season, trying to fight though a post- 4 ERA, entering with a

4.10 ERA on Aug 6th against the Cardinals after giving up 8 earned runs in 3.1 innings.

He then went lights out over the next 9 starts, Lowe pitched 61 innings, 9 ERs, 1.33 ERA, .483 OPS against. The numbers were what they were for Lowe.

And then Lowe pitched well enough to lower his season ERA to 3.24 when the season was over.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares what a guy throws?

As long as what he throws is good it doesn’t matter. Nobody needs one specific pitch. If you have two plus pitches, you don’t need much else to succeed.

ZOMG RANDY JOHNSON WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF HE HAD MORE THAN HIS 80 FASTBALL AND 80 SLIDER ZOMG

It’s nice, sure, but not necessary. Ugh.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 17, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

billingsleys curve

hasnt looked plus for the last month or so

by matthewmafa on Jul 18, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right...

…and he’s pitching like shit.

Point is, where was the complaints about his change when his ERA was 2.5?

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is that Billingsley was around 93-94 with his fastball today.

And he got lit up.

He pitched around 90 for most of the year.

I know CanuckDodger said that BIllingsley used to throw harder, but I think I noticed the same thing last year, where Billingsley was staying around 90 in the first half, and was throwing around 93-94 in the 2nd half. Chad might just need to take a while to build up his speed.

by Tripon on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 PM PDT reply actions  

velocity wasn't his problem

but when you can’t locate in the majors, your gonna get rocked…no matter how good your stuff is. He simply couldn’t locate the ball and kept throwing it down the middle.

by bucknellbruin on Jul 18, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

went to the game today

just came back 10 minutes ago from the game…
sucks they lost
bills got roughed up after the tejada home run
and went downhill
and manny went 0-4
that sucks too
oswalt was unstoppable
he went into the 9th with like only 98 pitches thrown
thats mad efficient…
hes probably one of the premier pitchers in the game despite the record
but odog had a nice triple thanks to the outfielder losing the ball
and their was a nice firework show….
still fun game to watch
hopefully they play better on saturday

by shaqfor3 on Jul 18, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

With Xavier Paul's latest injury.

It can possibly open up a 40 man spot for the Dodgers to work with.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Went to the game yesterday

Was pretty pumped as it was my first game seeing Chad- my favorite player.

Allow me to play the homer card; that game was all about bad luck. Don’t know what the game thread said, but Chad gives up 3 more runs in the first after he completely fools Blum and the ball rolls down the third base line and hits the damn bag. In the second, if Loney tosses the ball to Chad, the Astros don’t get another two out rally.

Plus, balls were just finding holes. When Chad has been ineffective this year its been when he’s walking batters. He walked none last night. Chad does not usually surrender hits (his BAA was like fifth in the MLB going into the game.) The only really bad pitches were the two hanging curveballs. The first one was the one that Tejada crushed and I Blum in the second.

Oh well, these games happen— but as I told the people I was with last night. Even after Chad’s bad night and Oswalt’s excellent night; Chad has still got better numbers on the year. Yet we have to constantly defend Chad as a “true ace.”

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2009 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

and chad was 1 out from getting out of the 1st inning

casey might have been able to get to the ball that went down to 3rd base and like u said had loney gotten the ball to chad in the 2nd or 3rd they woulda got out of the inning…baseballs a game of inches sometimes
had those things not occurred they woulda been in the game.
hopefully chad has a better outing next time and gets that 10th win…he got shaken up after the 1st inning and never got back into rhythm…
he can be a dominant pitcher in a few years it just takes some time he ll have games like this…

by shaqfor3 on Jul 18, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to many aces get lit up like Chad got lit up last night

even when the struggle the struggle is rarely that pronounced. A game like that will make it even harder to defend his “ace” status because he can have 10 straight good games and one game like that is the one people will remember until he rips off 10 more good games.

by meercatjohn on Jul 18, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve decided I no longer care about defending his “ace” status. I almost wish the word didn’t exist. People can say what they want about Chad, but I no longer care. I use my inner “look at Broxton’s eyes” filter to tune them out.

Am I concerned about most of the last month. Yes. Am i worried this is a long-term problem. No.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 8:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd still like to see Billingsley just pitch 5 innings for his next outing unless he's just dominting.

If he gives up a couple of runs, looks gassed. There’s no reason to throw him back out there like the Brewers start.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was with you RE: the Brewers start. I don’t think he should have pitched the 6th

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 8:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's awesome

I was the same way really. I was doing fine, but going to the game last night set me off. Seeing fans boo him, yelling for the hook. It was embarassing.

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can’t say I was pleased with the booing. But then again, he had a shitty outing.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 8:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Normally I hate booing a player

but when you have 50,000 plus fans who want to see a good game and expect to stay nine innings to see the fireworks knowing your done in the 2nd is probably as good a reason for booing as any. Keeping your kids distracted for the next seven innings because the game is over is probably not the easiest thing to do. We are taking three kids next Friday and I’d be pissed if we were blown out in the 2nd inning.

by meercatjohn on Jul 18, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure why Chad came back out to pitch the 2nd inning.

There’s value of pulling a starter after he shows he doesn’t have it that night so you can maybe start him a bit earlier than the normal 4 days of rest.

Chad could have pitched on Monday if torre had a quicker hook.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everything that’s wrong with Chad right now seems to be related to fatigue. No way I start him early next time out, let alone Monday!

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think at that point, after the first, Torre is probably thinking maybe Chad can gut it out and “pull a Wolf” to get through 5 or 6 without giving up another run. Chad threw 33 pitches in the first, but maybe Torre was thinking if Chad could pitch like he did at the start of the 1st inning he could get into a groove.

Four runs isn’t too big a deficit for this offense, even with Oswalt.

But once Chad gave up the two extra runs, it was time.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Monday

with Elbert, Vargas and Weaver pitching yesterday the Dodgers almost certainly have to bring up somebody to pitch Monday. Basically, I imagine its down to either Schmidt or Stults.

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not Stults

He started last night in AAA

Its basically Schmidt….or maybe Lindblom. Maybe

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie Haeger is scheduled to start tonight for ABQ…he was ahead of Schmidt in the rotation, although he pitched 1 inning in the AAA all-star game Wednesday.

We might have to wait until we see tomorrow’s scheduled ABQ starter to know for sure who will pitch for the Dodgers Monday.

I’d bet on Schmidt though.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

i cant believe they had to pull him so early. people in my section were getting bored and tossing beach balls and paper planes cause they couldnt get anything going
although i still watched the game…most people stayed to watch the firework show
that was cool

by shaqfor3 on Jul 18, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ding ding ding...

…it’s an arbitrary word with subjective standards that nobody can really define.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That luck part you mentioned...

…that’s why there’s regression to the mean.

Billingsley has been lucky for the first 3 months, now he’s starting to have more of things like you mentioned happen to him. :o

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's due for a little luck in return now though...

…or he could stop walking guys and take it out of their hands altogether.

lol

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was a little pissed though...

…that Bourn single is part of “luck”. That Loney grounder was just shit defense. :-/

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

matthewmafa

Mathew you can’t come here and say

a change up is the best pitch in baseball and every ace in baseball has a good one
and then when your confronted with Halladay off the top of the list who doesn’t have a changeup start making excuses as to why Halladay is an ace without a changup. Throughout history numerous aces have never had a changeup. Your comment was wrong, you should own up to it.

by meercatjohn on Jul 18, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

If James Loney had a changeup, would Matthew’s head explode? :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 8:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

i bet he does :)

if i recall, he was a great high school pitcher – the majority of teams preferred him as a pitcher

by bucknellbruin on Jul 18, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get your point though...

…lots of dominant pitchers don’t have a change or don’t use it as their primary outpitch.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

and even with bills cutter to leftys

leftys still hit .262 off him this year and .274 last year

changeups keep the hitters off balance

by matthewmafa on Jul 18, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Stephen:
What they might be waiting for is simply a deal that matches last year’s slot, as opposed to the ten percent reductions, which in the cases of Minor and Leake are differences approaching $250,000, not exactly a trivial sum of money. Still it’s enough to create either a situation with there is a stalemate between the team and the player, or in many cases, there may already be a deal in place, but Major League Baseball will not recognize it until late in the signing period, for fear of a domino effect of over-slot bonuses, which of course will happen anyway.

Some have called this the “Jason Heyward effect,” referring to the Braves’ first-round pick in 2007, also a year in which the slots were reduced by ten percent. The Braves and Heyward agreed early to a deal for the previous year’s slot, but could not announce the signing until the deadline approached. “It’s monumentally stupid,” said one front-office official. “Everybody talks to each other, everybody knows who is going to sign for what, all this does is hinder a kid’s development.”

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9249

So it seems the commish office of blocking overslot deals is well known.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m not as concerned with “overusing” the bullpen the last two nights as the beat writers seem to be. Last night’s game was precisely the reason you have a long man on the staff. Weaver got the team through the 6th, just like he was supposed to do.

Last night we used Elbert and Vargas to finish the final three innings. I love Elbert, but he’s way down the totem pole right now. The back of the bullpen right now is Broxton, Troncoso, McDonald, and Mota, and none of them pitched last night. Only Mota pitched in the last two nights.

The problems might arise if starters continually give very short starts, but as of right now its not really a concern.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think Troncoso or Broxton was used either nights.

As long as Kershaw can give us 6 innings tonight, we’ll be golden.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

nor McDonald. And unless he threw a simulated game during the break, I think he’s still in the bullpen, rather than a Monday start possibility.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt it…he threw 58 pitches last night, and stamina has been an issue with him. Its why he has been yanked after 5 every start, even when cruising, and why he prefers to pitch in the pen. He probably needs 3-4 days to regroup, almost starter-esque.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

However

he has two instance this year we can use for comps:

May 30: threw 59 pitches…then after two days off he threw 41 more
June 25: threw 57 pitches…took three days off, then threw 25 more

So he could be in line to pitch Monday after all, if needed. I would imagine both Weaver and Elbert will be the long men.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Things I want to see:

Trading Loretta while he still has some value as a PH.

Maybe for that Dewlyn Young kid in Pittsburgh.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m not going down the DY road again. Is it possible to miss pining for Cody Ross? :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pining for DY is for pining for a good bench player!

I guess Ross would have been a good 4th outfielder on the Dodgers. But he wouldn’t have been a starter.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant “going down the DY road” as rehashing the Delwyn issue over and over and over and over and over again.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kobayashi apparently ate 64 Taco Bell burritos in 15 minutes. Is that something to be proud of?

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Just putting it out there

Chris Withrow last pitched July 15. His next scheduled start is Monday, July 20.

I know, I know. Not happening.

by silverwidow on Jul 18, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe on July 20, 2010 :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still hard to do if you have pitched an inning at a time for a month.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

Chris Withrow won’t see Dodger Stadium as a professional pitcher until 2011 at the earliest, he is not on any fast track and nor should he be.

James McDonald is the 7th inning guy right now, it would not surprise me if he and Elbert hand out here and pitch in the pen for the rest of the year.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Withrow won’t see Dodger Stadium as a professional pitcher until 2011 at the earliest, he is not on any fast track and nor should he be.

You don’t know that. If minor league coaches like Charlie Hough think he’s the best pitcher to come through the system this decade, there’s a good chance that’ll carry some weight. In 2010, he might start in AA and make his big league debut sometime during the season.

by silverwidow on Jul 18, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he's going to be fastracked.

Shouldn’t he be seeing AA time this year?

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

That can still happen in August

That’s when Kershaw was promoted to AA in 2007.

by silverwidow on Jul 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems unnecessary...

…he’s not a polished college pitcher or something.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those things aren't really indicative of anything significant though...

…some of the guy in low-A are only there because that affiliate was pissed at the lack of top prospect they were getting.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets pushed to AA this year...

…that is indeed a scarily fast track, because he’s not Kershaw. :o

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Buster Olney:
3. Los Angeles Dodgers

• Home games: 41 (of 74)

• Big hurdle: The Dodgers have a seven-game road trip coming up that will take them through St. Louis and Atlanta, but really, L.A. has a relatively easy schedule. Consider this late-September string: three games in Washington, four games in Pittsburgh, then two in San Diego.

• Games against teams with records of .500 or better at the break: 28

• Big finish: The Dodgers close out the season with three home games against the Rockies.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Olney was on ESPN Radio this morning, and he said “the Dodgers’ pitching staff is crumbling.”

Its unbelievable to me how many buzzards are circling the best team in baseball.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's just a pre-written story

While Bills pitched poorly, Wolf and bullpen pitched well enough. If you wanted to take a completely short-term memory position, it would be more reasonable to pile on the hitting, not pitching.

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

July numbers

Starters: 4.29 ERA
Bullpen: 3.06 ERA
Total: 3.76 ERA

hardly “crumbling”

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather lose 8-1 and not use any of my top relievers

Than lose 2-1 and waste efforts by Lincecum and SF’s top guys.

But then, that’s me.

by bhsportsguy on Jul 18, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Wonder what the team thinks with Vargas.

He’s not even the mop up man on this team. They sent Weaver and Elbert out before him.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s the “medium man” :)

Not quite the long man, not quite ready to pitch in close games with a lead.

This is one of those bullpen positions possible with an 8-man bullpen, BTW :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's trash that's why...

…though I said the same thing about Mota.

But seriously, he sucks.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate Mota too.

But at least Mota can throw a 94-96 MPH fastball for a strike.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I mean...

…Vargas has nothing.

Mota is generally good after he lets everybody else’s runs score. :o

I wonder if he really is better with the bases empty.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much the entire second half of June was just that scenario, and Mota didn’t give up a run.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mota hasn’t given up a run when coming in with the bases empty since May 10.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since the Kershaw near no-no in FLA

Mota’s numbers…

Entering with bases empty
14.2 IP
5 hits (4 singles, one 2B)
3 walks
12 strikeouts
.106/.160/.128

Entering with men on base:
12.1 IP
7 hits (3 singles, 3 2B, 1 HR)
1 run
2 walks
5 strikeouts
.179/.214/.333
9 of 21 inherited runners have scored

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is he doing this?
Billingsley is throwing less than 50% fastballs this year, which way down from 59.2% last year, and 64.8% in 2007. He’s now throwing his cutter 28.7% of the time, compared to 20.9% last year, and his rate of curves is up from 17.5% to 20.7%.

The trend is recent, as well. Last night’s performance against the Astros was a case in point. Billingsley threw 22 fastballs, 18 cutters, and 12 curves. It’s not like he was struggling with his fastball either, as he was sitting 91-92 with his fastball, and topped out at 94-95. The same thing happened in his last start before the All-Star Game against Milwaukee, except it was more exaggerated and on a much larger scale. Billingsley threw 39 fastballs, 54 cutters, and 17 curves.

I don’t get it.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Billingsley just loves his cutter.

And it might be the reason why people thought Billingsley dropped his velocity at the beginning of the season.

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Jon Heyman:

#phillies seem to be strong phavorites for halladay. latest i hear: #angels want to keep prospects, #rangers dont have $

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Rangers don't have money...

…because he’s too busy ruining Liverpool with his financial problems. Ugh.

I hate him so much.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had a glitch…I put in a help ticket…a few other people were having the same problem. If you can, put in a request using “contact us” on bottom right of page…it will help the tech team use your broswer info to come up with a solution.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 18, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed for a moment

but now back to normal. Hahahahaha.

Will do.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 18, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez, this really is the Furcal 08 situation for the Mets.
Jose Reyes (hamstring) may have suffered a setback in his rehabilitation on Friday, reports the New York Daily News.
Reyes reportedly stopped an agility drill in Port St. Lucie by pointing to his bothersome hamstring. The Mets denied the eyewitness account by the St. Lucie News-Tribune, although, as the Daily News points out, the club doesn’t have the most sterling history of injury disclosure.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/07/braves-11-mets-0-redding-out-l.html

by Tripon on Jul 18, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Betting Kershaw dominates tonight since I'm going

he’s yet to disappoint me this year. Then we can argue who is the “ace” of the staff since Kershaw has been better for over a month and one could make a case he will be better going forward.

However he doesn’t have much of a changeup and rarely throws it so I guess he’s destined to only have a ceiling as high as Sandy Koufax instead of Greg Maddux. Fuck, I was hoping for so much more.

by meercatjohn on Jul 18, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

kershaw does have a changeup

and its improving too

he throws it 5 percent of the time

by matthewmafa on Jul 18, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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