Are the Dodgers being asked to give up more for Doc Halladay than the Phillies?

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 23, 2009 2:38 PM PDT Comment 31 comments

With the Toronto Blue Jays rumored starting asking price being of one of Billingsley, Kershaw or Kemp for Roy Halladay, they seem to be asking a lot of the Dodgers by giving up a major contributor to the active 25 man roster. Especially when you hear that their asking price from the Phillies is probably 4 minor league prospects who have yet to sniff the Majors. Is it possible that Toronto is asking a higher price from the Dodgers than what the Blue Jays are expecting to receive back from the Phillies?

Consider the front office connections. Last year's General Manager of the Phillies was Pat Gillick, who has stayed active in the Philladelphia organization this season as Special Adviser for Baseball Operations. Of course, this is the same Pat Gillick who was General Manager of the Toronto Blue Jays from 1978 through 1994. Pat Gillick is remembered as the Genius who assembled the 1992 and 1993 World Series winning Toronto Blue Jays teams. Gillick is still loved and revered in Toronto with a cult like status there comparable to Geddy Lee, Borje Salming, Pinball Clemons or Dave Coulier. So do I think that Toronto Blue Jay CEO Paul Beeston could be doing his good friend and cohort Pat Gillick a solid by giving him Roy Halladay at a price just a bit below what Beeston and Riccardi are asking to receive back from other teams?

I say, without a doubt, eh!

From L to R: Phillies Special Adviser Pat Gillick, Tony Fernandez, Blue Jays CEO Paul Beeston

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Are the Dodgers being asked to give up more for Roy Halladay than The Phillies?

No

23 votes

Yes

96 votes

They're jealous because we had Beverly Hills, 90210 whereas they only had Degrassi High to aspire to

11 votes

Toronto is still upset that Doug Gilmore hit Wayne Gretzky's stick with his face in the 1993 Cambell Conference Finals, and now's their chance to stick it back at Los Angeles

14 votes

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I voted No

because I don’t believe that Toronto is asking any more from us then anyone else. They are trying to get the best deal, what Olney and other media reporters are saying doesn’t mean jack shit. Riccardi’s job is on the line, he will do what he can do to make sure he doesn’t screw the pooch on this.

by meercatjohn on Jul 23, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

+ 1

Riccardi could also blow it by overplaying his hand and not getting a trade done and either settling for a lesser package in the offseason, or still having Doc, but having no way to improve the team.

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sam here.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 23, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sam here? What does that mean?

by Tripon on Jul 23, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s an unheralded prospect that I discovered. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 23, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 24, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed completely.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 24, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brendan, I'm glad you chimed in here...

However, you think that the Blue Jays asking for Bills or Kershaw or Kemp for Halladay from the Dodgers is not more than asking for four minor leaguers from the Phils?

2009-10 LA Kings Hockey: Where Smyt Happens!!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well no

Are we actually sure that they asked for BIllz or Kershaw or Kemp? I don’t think there’s anyway that Billz or Kemp is a requirement to get a deal done. I can see possibly Kershaw being required but you have to consider that we don’t really have a lot of high level prospects. If Kershaw isn’t included then who is the headliner for the deal? Dewitt? Lindblom?

Those types of players just aren’t good enough to get it done, in my opinion at least. Lindblom could be there if he was included with a bevy of other prospects, but otherwise I just don’t see any package being enough.

I don’t think that the Blue Jays are trying to pry much more from the Dodgers than they would from any other team. They’re just trying to be the best deal they can, and if Kershaw isn’t included I think the Dodgers will have a hard time matching the other offers that may be out there.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also voted no

for basically the same reasons as Phil said. We have no idea what they are actually asking, all the rumors are really just noise.

by Michael White on Jul 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

rofl

@ dave coulier reference. well played.

by whorge on Jul 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

However, Alanis Morissette is not laughing.

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't it ironic...

by Gibby's Limp on Jul 23, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think billingsley and kershaw are out of the question

There are no way I would trade either future Cy Young winners who have a combined salary of less than 1 mil for Halladay. And where is Cliff Lee in all of this? Not quite a bad deal, if the Dodgers can get it done.

by Kenchanayoh on Jul 23, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Indians would want a similar package.

by Tripon on Jul 23, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trading one of our two best starters for Halladay

is only an incremental upgrade. Not worth it. To really improve the major-league ballclub now, the trade can’t take away key aspects of the current team. To really improve the franchise, it can’t decimate the farm. Riccardi is on the record about expecting a return like Baltimore got from Seattle – most observers surprised the Mariners gave up that much – or what Cleveland got for Barolo Colon: Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore. Riccardi is posturing and delirious.

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or realize that Halladay finally wants to move on from the Blue Jays.

If he’s traded, I doubt a guy from the Dodgers core is traded.

by Tripon on Jul 23, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said, Dave

It’s like the old saying about "Cutting off the nose despite the face. "

2009-10 LA Kings Hockey: Where Smyt Happens!!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 23, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Classic episode

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Other players like Martin or Either

I voted Yes, only because i think it’s a classic negotiations piece where they are pitting team against team and in this case pitting the Dodgers and Phillies against each other couldn’t be better for Toronto.

Secondly I think we can throw in a Martin or Either and prospects and maybe get away with this. Of course Toronto knows better, but I think having Martin could help them out alot more than other players/prospects, could add incremental value over what they have currently and in their farm system.

by DonovanNeb on Jul 23, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Braves fans are insane. Taken from Talking Chop:

KJ and maybe JV …… but for what ?

What would the Braves expect to get that would help ?
Bring Broxton back to GA …. not likely (elbow)
Schmidt comes back to ATL ? very doubtful …. with the logjam at SP and Hudson coming back and LA needs him too much.
Manny …. not with that big contract and even larger ego – LA would LOVE to hand off that contract but there wont be any takers – just like Andruw’s phat deal.
Holliday – no (LA would not give up his slugging %),

I could see some value taking Kemp and Leech for KJ because they both have contracts for 2010, and KJ is set for a big time arbitration raise this winter.
Javy is likely going back to the AL – but will Seattle would give up Mel Stocker (From AA) instead of that hot/cold hitting OF Clement (whom Seattle is shopping).

by DrewFountain on Jul 23, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs

Kemp and Leach for Kelly Johnson? ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

by Tripon on Jul 23, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I read that too, Tripon

And you’re right: they’re nuttier than squirrel terds! Here’s one of my favorite gems from that thread:

I wonder if the Dodgers would move Kemp or Ethier for Vasquez?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight…………..

2009-10 LA Kings Hockey: Where Smyt Happens!!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 23, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is that guy hopped up on meth?

Exactly what Dodger need does Kelly Johnson fill? A bench upgrade? Hudson wrist insurance? For that, LA trades a stud CF who’s blossoming into a star and throws in a LOOGY?

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he checked Kemp's stats.

by Tripon on Jul 23, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And how would the Dodgers

send Atlanta Matt Holliday?

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol easily the most idiotic comment ive seen this year

Why the fuck would we want Kelly Johnson in the 1st place lol. . . .

Schmidt to ATL. . . Well give you him for free if you pay the rest of his contract

Why the Fuck would we trade our best player. . . “LA would LOVE to hand off that contract” LOL LOL LOL LOL

Holliday? Since when was Holliday on our team?

Kelly Johnson and Brent Leach for Matt Kemp

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wanted to reply to them

But sadly Talking Chop has a one day waiting period to comment.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 24, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

DT commentor Ken Noe posted this, linking to MLB Fanhouse

“Atlanta had both scout Rod Gilbreath and special assistant to the general manager Dick Balderson watching Chattanooga (Tenn.). The Braves do have pitching depth. The Cubs, White Sox and Mets also had scouts watching the Lookouts in recent days.”
http://tinyurl.com/lkdrb9

by David Young on Jul 23, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs