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The Dodger Pen Is Mightier Than You May Think

Kevin Baxter of the LA Times really drew my ire with his article about Friday's game.  It begins thusly:

There are less than seven shopping days until baseball's trade deadline. And if you're wondering what's on the Dodgers' shopping list, Friday's 6-3 loss to the Florida Marlins provided a not-so-subtle hint.

Think pitching. Specifically in the bullpen, where a mostly young group of Dodger relievers are beginning to show their age.

Yes, the bullpen had a bad night Friday against the Marlins.  It happens, even to the best of teams.  The Dodgers, in fact, have been the best of teams, almost all season, and currently have the very best record in baseball at 61-35.  But even the best team can improve.  However, the bullpen, which is "beginning to show their age," according to Baxter, has performed thusly:

Month ERA WHIP BA/OBP/SLG
April 3.55 1.211 .228/.304/.381
May 4.03 1.521 .257/.354/.376
June 2.31 1.018 .196/.268/.311
July 3.06 1.144 .208/.302/.292
Total 3.25 1.233 .224/.309/.343

That doesn't look to me like a bullpen that is imploding.  In fact that looks like one of the best bullpens in the league.  Baxter goes on:

So while the Dodgers entered the weekend with a bullpen ERA of 3.19, the best in baseball, those arms haven't always provided relief. Troncoso has given up more hits than innings pitched in July. Leach has an 8.10 ERA in nine appearances this month and McDonald has given up five runs in seven innings.

This really bugs me.  His sentence should have ended with the fact that the Dodgers have the best bullpen ERA in baseball.  They "haven't always provided relief?"  Who does?  If they did, maybe their ERA would be 0.00!  Relievers pitch so few innings, any short period of time can provide big fluctuations and misleading numbers.  Looking at the three examples Baxter used:

  • Yes, Troncoso has given up 12 hits in 10 innings in July.  Dump him!  He's unreliable!  Troncoso had also given up no earned runs in 17 innings before tonight.
  • Yes, Leach's July ERA is high.  It is actually 7.36 after his one out Friday night -- hey, since you updated Troncoso's stats with tonight's game, its only fair to do so here -- but more importantly, that is over all of 3.2 innings.  Are we really concerned with 3.2 innings?
  • McDonald has in fact given up 5 runs in 7 innings, but as a reliever on the season his ERA is 2.50.

Here is a look at the seven active pitchers currently residing in the Dodger bullpen, with their numbers in relief:

Pitcher IP ERA FIP*
Broxton 44.2 2.82 1.53
Troncoso 60.0 1.95 3.45
McDonald 18.0 2.50 3.62
Mota 46.0 3.13 3.73
Leach 20.1 3.98 3.71
Weaver 25.0 3.60 4.04
Vargas 7.0 1.29 4.26

*FIP is short for Fielding Independent Pitching, an attempt to measure a pitcher's effectiveness based things he has control of:  homers, walks, and strikeouts.

That is a damn good bullpen.  I challenge you to find another bullpen with as many quality arms.  This list doesn't even include Ronald Belisario (2.42 ERA, 3.00 FIP), scheduled to come back in a few weeks or so, nor does it include last year's Setup Man of the Year, Hong-Chih Kuo, who should be activated any day now.  Nor does it include elite arms Scott Elbert or Josh Lindblom, who are plying their trade in Albuquerque, along with 38-year old Hyang-Nam Choi and his amazing 12.32 strikeouts per nine innings. 

The Dodger bullpen has indeed pitched a lot of innings this season, but for most of the year the club has carried 12 and sometimes 13 pitchers.  The work has been spread out more than most teams.  The Dodger bullpen has a lot more depth than anyone is willing to admit.

Look, I'm not against improving the team, even by bringing in a reliever.  But, relievers by nature are volatile; they fluctuate from year to year.  The very good ones, of which there are few, are coveted, and thus come with a high cost.  It is unreasonable to want to give up any type of prospects to bring in a reliever, especially since the Dodger bullpen is already so good.

I just wish everybody realized that.

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seriously

this is a great article…. why cant these stupid people like baxter realize these things and stop with the bullshit

by matthewmafa on Jul 25, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions  

"Troncoso has given up more hits than innings pitched in July."

I love how this is somehow evidence that a pitcher is struggling. That coupled with using McDonald, a guy who’s maybe the last reliever on the team, just shows how weak Baxter’s point really is.

I don’t know why people insist on creating problems when there just aren’t any.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 25, 2009 1:25 AM PDT reply actions  

To be fair, McDonald has been the 7th inning guy, at least named so by Torre, since Belisario went down.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 25, 2009 6:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, I DO Know Why People See Problems Where There Are None

People believe change is synonymous with improvement. And what do people think is the absence of change? Stagnation. Complacency. And perhaps worst of all: boredom. Sports journalists don’t attract readers by reporting facts that suggest everything is fine, the same way that nobody wants to read about a plane that doesn’t crash or a building that doesn’t catch fire and burn down. A sense of crisis or impending crisis has to be whipped up because that is interesting, and will likely create more news by spurring action, i.e, change, and in the sports world that means trades. Sports journalists like trades and they like the G.M.‘s who make them. And if a G.M. is unwise enough to deny journalists a trade or two that they can talk or write about, well, the journalists just have to make something up to talk or write about, like how the G.M. is lazy, or over-confident in his current team, or "doesn’t want to win."

by CanuckDodger on Jul 25, 2009 3:08 AM PDT reply actions  

What really gets me

Is the idea that adding a worse relief pitcher will make the team better. George Sherrill? Matt Capps? Really? Why not Tim Hamulack or Danys Baez? That’s a similar talent level.

If you want a veteran presence, pay Tom Glavine like $200,000 or so and don’t give up anything. Then you’ll have players from both teams in the 1995 World Series.

by StolenMonkey86 on Jul 25, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

How is Sherrill anything like Tim Hamulack other then being LH?

I’m not advocating a trade for Sherrill but comparing him to a career minor league relief pitcher seems a bit much. Sherrill has successfully plied his trade for Seattle and the Orioles. Having great minor league numbers for relief pitchers does not always translate to the majors.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 25, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I dislike is other fans of teams in the NL West saying the dodger’s bullpen is bound to collapse and that’s the reason their team will contend for the NL West.

"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."

by Sordid on Jul 25, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Excellent addition. Thanks, Xei!

by Eric Stephen on Jul 25, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jayson Stark is on ESPN Radio, and he just said he believes the Blue Jays have given a list of players they would like for Halladay to a number of teams, including the Dodgers. No details on the players, though.

He also believes that the Phillies are the best fit, but I urge you to remember that Stark is at heart a Philadelphia writer.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 25, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Update on that

“”http://bit.ly/R6tu1" target="new">Phils reject Jays’ offer in deal for Halladay
Proposal turned down that would’ve sent three to Toronto"

by underdog on Jul 25, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Eric

so when Ned pulls the trigger on a relief pitcher we can only hope it is a quality arm better then what we have (Soriano) and that the cost is not prohibitive. Joe and Ned have both said they want a relief pitcher so it is not just Baxter who thinks we need one, so does management. The one thing Joe was adamant about in the pre game was getting some help in the bullpen. I’m sure when you ask him tomorrow he will say the same thing.

One question that I did not mention in the pregame last Tuesday, I just listened to again. Someone asked him why relief pitchers are up and down from year to year. His answer may have been the reason why they are looking for help. He simply said “usage, they get burned out” . He may feel that our guys are at the edge of being burned out even if the numbers don’t show it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 25, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

That seems like a fair point. And I do trust Torre and Colletti’s judgment on this issue. I don’t think they will make some kind of a panic trade, but I just didn’t like the tone of Baxter’s article, kind of a “see, the bullpen is really bad” tone when it has in fact been good.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 25, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends

Replacement level for a starting pitcher is probably around .8-.9 points of ERA above average. Probably .6-.7 for relievers.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Activate Kuo

Send Leach to AAA

Ill be happy with that move

by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 25, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Activate Kuo

Send Vargas To Glue Factory

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Vargas can pitch those garbage time innnings

Leach is a LOOGY, and once Kuo comes back hell take that job over

by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 25, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuo is much better than to be wasted in LOOGY situations. He can get both sides out.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 25, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea thats true

a healthy Kuo would be huge for the stretch run . .WE dont really need to pick up a bullpen arm, but his return would solidify that .. as well as a appearance by my man Choi

by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, anybody can pitch garbage time innings

so why not develop somebody with the potential to be more?

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leach is 26 going on 27

hes “development” days are pretty much a thing in the past.. .

by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 25, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why can't Leach do it?

Or Lindblom. Or Garate. Or Schlichting. Or anybody who might have a future and could contribute for years to come.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also had no idea

that a pitcher’s development stops in his first year in the major leagues.

by Chad Moriyama on Jul 25, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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