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Bulldog At Busch Stadium: 25 Years Later

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Roughly 25 years ago, a 25-year old rookie pitcher by the name of Orel Leonard Hershiser IV pitched one of the best games by a Los Angeles Dodger in St. Louis.

Game Score is a fun stat, invented by Bill James, as a way to measure performances by starting pitchers.  It is calculated as follows:

Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

Since moving to Los Angeles, the Dodgers have had two pitchers post a game score of 90 or higher in a game in St. Louis:  Hershiser in 1984, and Ismael Valdes (yes, I'm aware he changed to a "z" a while back) in 1995.  Each man pitched a two-hit shutout while striking out nine Cardinals, good for a game score of 92.  Valdes deserves his own story at some point, but today I want to focus on Hershiser's gem.

In 1984, Hershiser started the season pitching mostly out of the Dodger bullpen.  He was a little old for a rookie, at 25, and the Dodgers weren't quite sure what they had in him.  Through his five years in the minors, Hershiser started only 28 of 202 games pitched while pitching reasonably well in hitter-friendly environments.  Some time in May or June, Hershiser was struggling, with an ERA fluctuating in the fives, and the Dodgers were getting frustrated with their young pitcher.  Around that time, manager Tommy Lasorda offered the rookie some passionate advice.  As Hershiser recalled:

Now I was sitting in his office. "You don't believe in yourself," he shouted. "You're scared to pitch in the big leagues! Who do you think these hitters are—Babe Ruth? Ruth's dead! You've got good stuff. If you didn't, I wouldn't have brought you up. Quit being so careful. Go after the hitter. Get ahead in the count."

Although I was being aired out, I was sure that I heard a compliment hidden in Tommy's words. I've got good stuff? He brought me to the big leagues because he believes in me?

Tommy wasn't done. "If I could get a heart surgeon in here, I'd have him open my chest and take out my heart. Then I'd have him open your chest, take out your heart, and tell him to give you mine. With my heart and your arm, you'd be in the Hall of Fame! I've seen guys come and go, son, and you've got it."

Tommy finished his sermon with a flourish. "Take charge! Make 'em hit your best stuff! Be aggressive. Be a bulldog out there." And then, almost like he had surprised himself with a stroke of genius, he announced, "That's going to be your new name: Bulldog. It's the ninth inning, we bring you in and you're facing Dale Murphy. He hears, ‘Now pitching, Orel Hershiser.' He can't wait till you get in there. But if he hears, ‘Now pitching, Bulldog Hershiser,' he's thinking, Oh, no, who's that? Murphy's going to be scared to death!"

Over time, this meeting came to be known as "The Sermon on the Mound."  Whatever it was called, something in Hershiser seemed to click, and he began to pitch much better.  After some success in the bullpen, Hershiser joined the rotation for good on June 29.  He pitched a complete game that day, beating the Cubs 7-1.  Five days later, Hershiser was even better, pitching a shutout while striking out 11 Pirates.  Following a scoreless relief appearance against the Cardinals on July 8, Hershiser beat the Cubs again, this time shutting them out at Wrigley Field

Heading into the July 19 game at St. Louis, Hershiser was carrying a scoreless inning streak of 21.2 innings, and had thrown three complete games and two shutouts in his first five major league starts.  Both teams were hovering around the .500 mark entering play that day, each team well out of contention in their respective divisions.

The Dodgers jumped on Cardinals' starter Dave LaPoint early, scoring two runs in the first on a bases loaded single by Steve Yeager, although the inning ended with Candy Maldonado getting thrown out at home on the play by second baseman Tommy Herr.  Little did the Dodgers know those runs would be more than enough on this day.

Lonnie Smith led off the first with a single for the Cardinals, and Hershiser balked him to second base, but the next three Cardinals made out by two groundouts and a strikeout.  The Cardinals got their second hit in the next inning, a one out double by Terry Pendleton, but Hershiser got out of the inning by striking out David Green and inducing a groundout from Chris Speier.

The Cardinals final "rally" occurred in the third inning, when Lonnie Smith was hit by a pitch with one out.  Hershiser again pitched out of trouble, and then simply allowed nothing the rest of the way.  Hershiser retired the final 20 batters of the game, in what would later become classic Hershiser fashion:  11 groundball outs, two flyball outs, and even seven strikeouts.  For the game, Hershiser had a groundball-to-flyball ratio of 16:2.  The Dodgers blew the game open with six runs in the 7th, and ended up winning the game 10-0.

After this start against the Cardinals, Hershiser was 4-1 in his six major league starts, with a 1.52 ERA while averaging 7.89 innings per start.  His scoreless streak now stood at 30.2 innings, a streak which would stretch to 34 innings before the streak was stopped by the Braves.  Not bad for a rookie, huh?  A man could get used to this kind of scoreless streak.

Tonight's Dodger starter turns 25 tomorrow, and he is the greatest right-handed pitcher the Dodgers drafted and developed since Hershiser.   To date, Chad Billingsley has made 89 starts, all while younger than Hershiser when he made first start.  Here is a look at the two pitchers in their first 89 big league starts:

Pitcher Years Age IP IP/GS W-L ERA ERA+
Hershiser    1984-1986     25-27 613.2 6.90 41-23 2.77 127
Billingsley 2006-2009 21-24 527.2 5.93 40-24 3.38 128

There is no ignoring the fact that Hershiser averaged an inning more per start than Billingsley in those first 89 starts, but remember that baseball is a different game now than it was 25 years ago.  From 1984-1986, the average National League starter pitched 6.21 innings, whereas from 2006-2009 the average NL start is only 5.78 innings.  Billingsley has been every bit as good as the Bulldog, a welcoming fact for those who think the Dodgers lack a front line pitcher.

Maybe Chad just needs a catchy nickname.

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Great story

Maybe Troncoso will be the next Orel. A relief pitcher for most of his career in the minors but with wicked stuff and the ability to start.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Trade deadline week is a trust test of one’s sanity. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

I’ve been reading this morning, it seems normal enough to me.

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

This post stood out for me.

An ace has toughness and endurance under pressure. Bills and Kershaw aren’t there yet. But the lack of quality starts is already taking its toll on the bullpen and there are two full months to go.

Why did Colletti let Lowe walk? How can anybody think the current starting staff can compare with the post-season competition they’ll face? Sure, hot teams win World Series. Chemistry, balance, health, luck—all play a role. But you have to be prepared. And if giving up prospects was such an obstacle—or spending big bucks—(don’t forget McCourt saved $7 million on Manny’s little “vacation”) why didn’t they sign Pedro? For a million bucks, that’s not a lot of risk.

Of course, at this stage, he’s not the ace they need either. I say they should try to get Washburn or Duke if Halladay and Lee require too much in return. But doing nothing will result in an early-October flameout, and it’s a shame because this team could go a lot futher.

Posted by: SCK | July 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Just an odd post, not really arguing for anything but a mythical construction of what an ‘ace’ is.

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya. That’s pretty brutal. But most people (including Eric) already pointed out that Lowe would be the worst of the 4 starting pitchers if he were on the Dodgers right now. But really, that post is so out of left field, it can be easily ignored.

I had an equally frustrating conversation this morning at the gym discussing whether or not Chad Billingsley is a “true ace.” I am so sick of this stuff.

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

For all the guys who would be willing to give up Billingsley or Kershaw now for Halladay/Lee.

Are the same people who will bitch at the Dodgers for giving up Billingsley and Kershaw 3 years from now as they’re ripping through the league.

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m with you 100%

2009-10 LA Kings Hockey: Where Smyt Happens!!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

FIP
1) Kershaw 3.38
2) Kuroda 3.47 (only 58 IP)
3) Billingsley 3.53
4) Lowe 3.69 (2.4 WAR, worth $10.8M so far)
5) Wolf 4.14

Lowe’s contract: 09:$15M, 10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M

So yes, he’d be a nice pitcher to have, but not anywhere close to that salary. And yes, 4th best. Though I’d bump Kuroda down a bit on this chart to atleast 3rd, maybe 4th due to all the time he missed.

vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

JeffFletcherAOLDodgers GM Ned Colletti started as a sports writer, by the way. Went to Cubs PR and then baseball ops. It happens. #adamrubin7 minutes ago from TweetDeck

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Another Dodger GM, Fred Claire, also started as a sportswriter.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bedard trade looking worse now

Did the Mariners give up Adam Jones, George Sherril and Chris Tillman all in the Bedard trade? Tillman is making his major league debut wednesday vs Greinke/KC and is the Orioles #1 pitching prospect.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s going to beat the A.J. Pierzynski trade, if it hasn’t already. Man, Liriano was great pre-surgery.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Different trades

I’m talking about giving up multiple pieces for one guy, where at least one of the pieces if not more end up better than the one guy.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worse part of the Bedard trade

was that the Mariners were not contenders. If you are a legitimate contender you might pull the trigger on the deal to win a World Championship but the Mariners were so far away from being contenders for the World Series it was just a ludicrous trade.

It would be like the Rangers trading their future for Halladay when they really have little chance of being players in the playoffs this year.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering the main attraction was AJ

it is still the worse trade I’ve ever seen. At least Bedard when healthy is one of the better pitchers in baseball and was coming off an excellent season. I remember Keith Law saying he would be a good get for any team, but no one expected the price to be so steep. At the time of the deal A Jones was at the same stage as Matt Kemp but without the major league success that Kemp had in his 2nd go round. Tillman was raw but considered an elite talent, and Sherrill had been an excellent setup man.

Still when Bedard is healthy he is way above the value of Sherrill and the Orioles will be lucky if Tillman comes close to ever doing what Bedard did the year before he was traded.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s just insane. This excerpt was particularly damning:

Here’s something that doesn’t happen so often, but happened last night: Because Garko was traded, Travis Hafner couldn’t play (he gets mandatory days off to rest his shoulder or whatever it is on him that doesn’t work so good) and Grady Sizemore was sick, the Indians played the entire game against the Angels last night with literally no one available on the bench. If Asdrubal Cabrera went down, Cliff Lee is probably playing short. And who cares? They’re trading him anyway!

How do you have a two-man bench, let alone when one of your starters needs mandatory days off. You have to take things like that into account when making a move. If it was for one game, fine, but that truly is stupid, and if its not temporary Shapiro really should be fired. Maybe we can get Cliff Lee for a reasonable price after all.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yet they won

with an incredible come back. Of course it is temporary as they sort out the team and for a team in their place, I don’t see the big deal.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any GM that can get Carlos Santana and Jon Meloan

for a 1/2 rental of Casey Blake gets a few passes. Carlos Santana hit his fourth home run in his forth straight game.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has anyone created the True Blue LA-Carlos Santana Drinking Game yet?

2009-10 LA Kings Hockey: Where Smyt Happens!!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if its temporary — like a day or maybe two — I don’t have as much of a problem with it. But it seems dumb to have so few bench options.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Rays are one team

that could afford to trade some great young pieces to the Rays for the Lee/V Martinez combo. They need the upgrade at catcher more then anyone with Navarro being such a dud and Lee would give the young rotation some nice stability.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Buster Olney was just on Jim Rome’s radio show, and he said he didn’t think Lee (or V-Mart) would be traded unless the Cleveland ownership demanded that Shapiro cut payroll, which he doesn’t think will be the case.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how the Indians will compete in 2010.

If they’re bringing back the same starting and relief pitching they have in 2009.

I guess Grady Sizemore will be healthy next year, but they still don’t have a 3rd baseman, If they’re not going to call up LaPorta this year, I can see them further holding him back to control the service time clock, etc.

Their plan seems to basically hope Carmona relearns how to pitch.

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

They did remove Garko

but whose to say if LaPorta can be any better then Garko?

One thing you have to give Ned credit for, our bullpen with many various pieces has been lights out since he took over while Shapiro with all the brains in the world has been unable to build a solid bullpen year after year.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The lineup us fine but they do need starting pitching

Moving Victor for some pitching since they have Santana might be the correct step if he’s ready defensively to be a major league catcher. Moving Lee for two pitchers would also help. You should be able to build a bullpen, signing Kerry Wood was not a good move.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

They screwed up by not drafted Posey #1

Tim Beckham is a long way off. They could have been an elite force with Posey behind the dish for them next year.

by silverwidow on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just like Wieters, right?

Doubtful if Posey is a “force” next year while Beckham is a SS with a hell of future in front of him. They had an all-star catcher at the time of the draft, I don’t think they made a mistake. Given how quickly catchers wear out, I’ll take the future of the SS over the catcher.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Posey is the best catcher in the minors. He could land just about any star player the Giants wanted. For a team like Tampa Bay, adding that kind of bat in 2010 (when all of their top young arms will be ready) would make them flat out amazing.

by silverwidow on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right now this conversation is much less stressful than other places

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I am quite happy about the state of our posters.

Even if I think the Dodgers will struggle on this road trip as they sort some things out I’m still bullish on the season.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. This week is a tough week dealing with all the trade rumors and such, but I’m happy the conversation here has been largely intelligent.

Well, except when Brendan linked to that damn MLB Daily Dish piece. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could see the argument of trading Chad for Doc

but his arguments were poor and cherry picked. I’m not interested in making the deal so I’m not going to bother making the case but I think it could be done where the uproar would not be so large. Lot of things I’d love to write about but time is short these days for the blog.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said

Don’t shoot the messenger. ;-)

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 28, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No details or a link to a story, but just a tweet from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse:

Sounds like there’s a divide in the #Dodgers front office on whether or not to trade some top prospects for a push this yr

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

MLBTRADERUMORS

The Dodgers deem Clayton Kershaw untouchable, they’ve at least discussed internally the possibility of moving Chad Billingsley. Billingsley might be the best name we’ve heard yet in connection with Halladay, though remember that Edes labeled that an internal discussion.

by matthewmafa on Jul 28, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Here is the link to the Edes column:

The Los Angeles Dodgers, who also are in the running for Halladay, will not include left-hander Clayton Kershaw in any proposal for Halladay but have talked internally about possibly parting with Chad Billingsley, according to one league source.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

If this was for Chad and Doc straight up and Doc signed a cheap extension with us. I know, not going to happen. But if you swap those two, how much better are we really? And then you have to add the prospects that would go along with Chad, plus his cheapness and age.

Man, if only Chad had thrown at the Phillies last year…he would be untouchable :)

I am so sick of hearing that Chad doesn’t have the mental makeup. I would love to see Chad go into the playoffs and mow down the other teams, so he could finally get some respect.

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd love for Chad to not have slumped which is what is bringing on a lot of these calls for Doc. No one would

have suggested such a thing back in early June.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Inside" info

A poster elsewhere with an anonymous source is claiming that our big acquisition will be Sherrill. Guesses that Leach and Josh Bell would go to Baltimore.

Man, I hope this is fake. I know Phil isn’t a huge Bell fan, but I think he’ll be an awesome hitter one day.

by silverwidow on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Did the source hear this from Garrett Gould’s girlfriend? :)

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

No, this guy broke the Manny news before the media. So there MIGHT be some credibility to it. Might.

by silverwidow on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

"News" = suspension

Chances are this is just rumor mongering, so forget it was even posted. :)

by silverwidow on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Bell but the historical reviews of his defense at 3rd base

made it seem likely he’d end up at 1st base. I sure wouldn’t trade him for Sherril, Leach and Garate should be enough in my mind. If you are going to trade for Sherrill then you don’t need Leach or Garate.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

bell is 22 in AA

tearing it up and you trade him + Brent Leach for a Bipolar reliever??

by matthewmafa on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember the Arizona big acquisition of Rauch last summer

that kind of stuff is what worries about trading for relief pitchers.

I like Sherrill but I think by the first week in August our bullpen is going to be fine. My only concern if for a big RHH bat that can play RF and 1st base. Maybe that person is Casey Blake and you trade for Rolen giving the BlueJays nothing but salary relief.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Heyman speculates on what it would take for the dodgers to get Cliff Lee?
Pitching prospects James McDonald, Scott Elbert and Chris Withrow would have to be in play. The Dodgers don’t want to trade off their major league roster (can’t blame ’em for that), but are their prospects enough?

Withrow? Even if you don’t think Withrow will eventually be a Dodger, this isn’t the year to trade him. Wait a year from now, when he’s tearing up Double-A.

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

withrow next year

will be like drabek this year except better

by matthewmafa on Jul 28, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least this one makes sense

you have to give up value to get value. We’d get Lee the reigning AL Cy Young pitcher who is having another solid season and we’d be giving up three solid prospects but each with warts. All three could end up being good major league pitchers in a rotation or they could end up in the bullpen. If you want Lee you have to give up something and at least they are not talking about tearing up the current four man rotation. Plus Lee like Halladay is not a one year rental but has a decent contract for 2010. You’d be looking at a 2009 rotation of Chad, Lee, Kershaw, Kuroda, Wolf and at least a 2010 rotation of Chad, Lee, Kershaw, and Kuroda. We’d need to win this year or next because in 2011, Kuroda and Lee would be gone and we will have traded their possible replacements.

This is also the kind of trade the Indians need to make for Lee. Multiple pitching prospects with upside very close to the majors. McDonald and Elbert could either be in the rotation next year or helping in the bullpen. Withrow may have the highest upside of them but that is the price you have to pay if you want to get involved.

I’m on the fence but at least with this rumor it is not so blatantly one sided as to make you gag. Some of you might gag who don’t think we need Lee at all.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could talk myself into that deal.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah.
JeffFletcherAOLAaron Rowand once told me he had No. 1 stuff, FWIW. Hasn’t shown it in bigs, tho. RT @FollowThePadres: More on #Padres RHP Sean Gallagher.9 minutes ago from TweetDeck

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Tom Hoffarth = Whoreface McGee

from a blog post yesterday:

For a team that sits atop all of baseball, it has a 6-4 record in its last 10 games — all of them at home. Pitching has been the problem in each of them. A few wins can be rescued with some bloop hits in the ninth inning, but more likely than not, that magic won’t be there in the postseason. The opposing team’s bullpens will be stronger, and situations where the Dodgers are rallying back from an 8-0 deficit aren’t that likely.

A .600 winning percentage = 97 wins, by the way.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

What I would like to know is, are other teams’ writers constantly berating them with quotes like “the Phillies simply can’t match up with teams like the Dodgers, etc.”…it seems one-sided to me.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t seem that way.

The people that write about the Dodgers seem like the most pessimistic group of writers known to man.

by pdotmac1 on Jul 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that

First of all, New York writers actively express their hatred for Alex Rodriguez. You know, the guy is at a minimum a top 5 player in all of baseball.

Also, the pessimism (from where we’re standing) isn’t relegated to local journalists. Plenty of less informed fans with throw out unsubstantiated claims like, “the bullpen sucks” and “Billingsley is trash” etc. The pessimism of these journalists and fans is driven from the same force which would lead you to believe that the Dodgers have the most pessimistic writers we know. In both instances, the exposure is very small.

Casual fans watch the game yesterday and argue that we should trade for Sherill (note I am not calling everyone who argues to trade for Sherill a casual fan) while most have never seen him pitch. I know I haven’t watched him pitch even once this year. Writers see Billingsley and see his age, and argue that the Dodgers need Halladay—- think any of them have even looked up Bills or Kershaw’s numbers this year? And for us, the only beat writers many of us read are the Dodger ones and the ones that shit all over the Dodgers because other commenters post those opinons here and we all get angry. I have no idea what Pittsburgh beat writers say about their team. I do know that New York writers are brutal and completely off their rocker though…

Generally speaking, most fans (even the non-casual fans) are only exposed to other teams when they play the Dodgers. A screw up by less invincible Dodgers (basically everyone but Manny Ramirez and maybe Matt Kemp) is noticed and compared to the idealized players on other teams. Another example, the only game many people have seen of Roy Oswalt was the Chad Billingsley meltdown game. Even after Bills threw an awful game and Oswalt threw a gem, Billingsley still had better numbers on the year. But I would guess, many Dodger fans consider Oswalt to be a much better pitcher than Chad— basically because Oswalt is a known name and because of that game.

by Michael White on Jul 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome line from Hoffarth.
In the meantime, you sub Halladay for Kershaw. How does that not make your team better, more feared, as the last three months of the season inch forward?

OH GOD. THE PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAR.

by Tripon on Jul 28, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

just finished reading his drivel at lunch. Grass is always greener for these writers.

I was just thinking as I was reading this, that GM’s should be happier with bloggers then the big paper journalists who cover the team. We think about the current, and the future just like a GM does while it seems the column writers like Plashke, Simers, and Hoff-Fart remain strictly focused on the now. Some of us want to protect the future more then others but most of us at least look at the consequences of trading young cheap talent.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also wanted to point out that the Dodgers lost that game they were rallying back from an 8-0 deficit.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stephen A. Smith has lured me back in

from his latest Tweet:

Fyi……I will be on “The Ed Show” on MSNBC tonight at 6:30, talking about Michael Vick. I will be debating someone from PETA. Tune in

Since I don’t know of any other scheduled train wrecks, and I’ve seen the Minaya presser about 10 times already, I may just watch this debate.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

oh man

i can’t wait to watch that…

by bucknellbruin on Jul 28, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice little glimpse into a two-three year window of these pitchers careers. But let another 3 years develop before comparing Chad to the Bulldog. As of yet, (numbers aside) The bulldog brought some things to the table that Chad is still a long ways from.

by Pedro's curse on Jul 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

It is totally appropiate to compare their first 3 years

if we had to wait until his career was over we’d have precious little to write about.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly - so at this age, Chad is light years ahead of the career arc of the Bulldog

Different story when I compare Kershaw and Fernando at the end of the year. All the records that Chad is breaking are just going to be broken again.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok Chad is the next Bulldog:) I have learned a lot from some of you on this blog but this constant homerism is killing me; it clouds objectivity.

by Pedro's curse on Jul 28, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it…the facts are all there. Chad, to date, has performed just as well as Hershiser did in the same number of starts, even though Chad is three years younger than Hershiser was.

Ignore the absurdity of arguing about the meaning of the word “ace.” If you can’t objectively look at Chad Billingsley and see that he is one of the best pitchers in the league, and one with a very bright future, then that’s your problem.

by Eric Stephen on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

KCAL

Awesome! I can watch the game legally on KCAL tonight!

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Crap

This rain might keep me from watching a normal tv broadcast of the game

by robotmadeofnails on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $481,000
OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 6 Hairston $2,250,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AAA 13 DeJesus $86,648
AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

Totals
$114,830,268

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Current 40-man roster count: 42
(incl. De La Rosa & Hawksworth)

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Manager

Eric___ned___reporters_2011_trade_deadline_small Eric Stephen

Editors

100_1427_small Phil Gurnee

Dgy_small David Young

Hanauma_bay_small Chad Moriyama

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