Uh-oh... Phillies Trade for Cliff Lee
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 29, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
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The Indians have agreed to trade Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to the Phillies for Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Jason Donald, and Lou Marson according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com. Here's their explanation of the deal from each side's perspective:
The Phillies would get Lee without giving up any of the three players the Blue Jays initially wanted for Halladay — left-hander J.A. Happ, right-hander Kyle Drabek and outfielder Dominic Brown.
Francisco would fill the Phillies' longstanding need for a right-handed hitter off the bench. Lee would give the Phillies four left-handed starters, along with Cole Hamels, J.A. Happ and Jamie Moyer. But Happ or Moyer could go to the bullpen once right-hander Pedro Martinez is ready to pitch in the majors.
The Indians, meanwhile, would get four of the Phillies' top 10 prospects according to Baseball America's pre-season rankings. Carrasco was rated second, Marson third, Donald fourth and Knapp 10th.
This is obviously not good for the Dodgers. The second best team in the National League just added one of the best pitchers in baseball without giving up any major league contributors. It should be really fun if we meet up with them again in the playoffs though.
I think this is a big win for the Phillies, getting Lee without having to give up either Kyle Drabek or J.A. Happ. They must have a thing for lefties though, their top three pitchers (Hamels, Lee, and Happ) and hitters (Utley, Howard, and Ibanez) are all left-handed. I wonder if this makes it any more likely that the Dodgers trade for an impact starting pitcher...
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I Think the Dodgers Need a Jump Star
Somebody should call a DOCtor. Maybe this will show Riccardi how ridiculous is trade demands for Halladay have been. Probably not, though. Washburn maybe?
by bearface on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is incredible
Lee is traded and CLE does not get atleast one of phillies top 3 prospects.
The prospects are all crap with exception to Jason Knapp, but hes sidelined wtih shoulder stiffness!!
Also Knapp missed most of last season with a mysterious arm injury
The Indians are absolutely retarded
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about who would be the biggest loser in this trade???
That would most certainly be the Blue Jays!!!!
This creates a Big ol’ Bucket of FAIL for the Toronto Front Office…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They definitely lose leverage
But I’m not sure they were going to deal Halladay anyway. It doesn’t sound like they were willing to budge and accept a lesser trade for him.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice call DDB
Yup…the way the Jays are handling the whole Halladay thing reminds me of a kid playing in a fantasy league trying to trade away his favorite player…Halladay makes the Dodger rotation much stronger obviously, but if they have to trade away the arms need to keep the pen functioning the rest of the way, they lose more than they gain from the what? 7-10 starts they get from Halladay the rest of the way? The rest of the staff puts pressure on the pen, the reason the team has carried 13 pitchers more of the season. So trading away potential relief from the farm actually adds more pressure on the pen than getting Halladay would “relieve” Halladay probably saves the pen at most 15-20 innings for the pen. That really is not that many innings. So, the price is too steep…now next season he would represent much more value. But face it, the reason for a trade is to win this season.
I say bring up the knuckballer, Haeger, and see what he can do…face it, it can’t get worse than putting Schmidt out there every 5th day or so….
by grumpy3b on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy
Halladay is actually signed for 2010 too. So add another 30+ starts to your 7-10 for 09. On top of that you will likely get two high draft picks for him after the 2010 season with which you can help re-stock your minor league system with. I am not saying we should give the Blue Jays anything close to what they are asking for. Just saying, he would be a bigger difference maker than what you are alluding to.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't particularly fear a Phillies piching staff without Lee
That’s a very left-hand oriented staff. So far this year, the Dodgers have mashed left-handed pitching. As long as the Dodgers break out of there hitting funk by playoff time of course :)
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better Lee then Halladay in my opinion
and the Phillies gave up about what Lee should have been worth. The Blue Jays just want to much.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit it would be nice for the Dodgers to do a deal like this where they give up crap.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
on second thought, “crap” is too strong a word.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, those guys are hardly crap
four of the top 10 prospects in the organization. That is what someone in Philly would say if we “only” gave up McDonald, Elbert, and Withrow for Lee.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Its the perception of our farm system compared to others…
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Eric is a fool. No just kidding on that part. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also in my defense I have a reading comprehension problem. For some reason I didn’t notice Carrasco was in the deal :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you knew Happ wasn’t. I’ve also got a reading comp. problem.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Combined, we could make one dangerous reader. :)
Great screen name BTW!
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Ramirez waves hello
While most of us don’t think LaRoche was crap; I’m sure that’s not how outsiders viewed LaRoche (just as us on the outside viewing the Phillies prospects.)
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee will instantly be a top tier NL pitcher. Happ’s stats look good but he won’t make it as a starter in the AL. Carrasco could be a good 3rd or 4th starter. Knapp has a very high ceiling but he’s in A ball.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee was only a 3rd/4th starter untl 2008
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how often someone goes from sent to the minors one year, then CYA the next.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc is a close 2nd
he was miserable in 2000, sent back to the minor, and then came back to be what he was.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Doc was 23. Lee was 27 in 2007 when he was sent down.
Funny about Halladay, one of my friends had him on his fantasy team in 2000, and Halladay (10.64 ERA in 67.2 IP) earned the nickname “Pig Fucker,” a nickname he never relinquished even as he became one of the best pitchers in the game. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never trusted Cliff Lee
and I’m not very worried. Hopefully this will just be another item in the historical notations of mid season pitchers who have never won a world series game.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, sorry
Marson! sheesh. Becomes inexpensive back-up material for Carlos Sanatana.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Becomes inexpensive back-up material for Carlos Sanatana
Take a drink!!!
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would liked to have see them deal Brown or Taylor
but it is not like those guys are upgrades on the all-star starting outfield.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With the acquisition of C Lou Marson, and all the other C's they have
does that mean Victor Martinez is gonna be traded?
If so package Loney and lets get it done
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On one hand...
The deal does establish a baseline to get a deal done for Halladay. On the other hand, now there seems to be only 1 plug and play SP left on the market. The Jays just may have an even stronger sellers’ market for the Doc. It makes me more pessimistic about the Dodgers’ chances because I expect that Artie will out compete Frank once again.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let Artie have him
The Blue Jays asking price is outrageous, and the Dodgers will not and should not pay it. The Blue Jays are over-playing there hand. Everyone knows their attendance is down and they have an exorbitant amount of salary wrapped up in players like Vernon Wells with no trade value. They have Halladay for this year and next and obviously won’t compete this year. If they think they’ll compete next year there is no point of shopping Halladay. If they don’t (which I assume is the motivation for attempting a trade) the price for Halladay will go down sharply after the trade deadline if they try to unload Hallady in the off-season or at next years deadline.
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really good analysis, MWhite
I would not be surprised if Toronto does not trade Halladay before Friday. Their starting pitching has been decimated by injuries this year, and from what I hear, they really do think they can compete once Litsch, Marcum and McGowan come back 100% next season…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll trade him
They’ve gone all out to drive up the price as high as possible. They’ve talked to many teams. And it’s all public. If they didn’t want to trade Doc none of that would’ve happened. The Jays are trying to play coy but it’s an act. As mwhite wrote, they will never get a better return than they will be able to this week.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh Oh! The Giants are getting another mediocre infielder
Freddy Sanchez will be joining Ryan Garko. Supposedly. Per MLBTR 10 minutes ago.
by Lawyersgunsmoney on Jul 29, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s a brilliant strategy to improve the offense from terrible to mediocre :)
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
by Sordid on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice little moves to help them with the wild card.
When your 2nd base and 1st base have been poor, these little upgrades can pay dividends. Freddy Sanchez will hate playing for the Giants, being raised in Burbank he was a huge Dodger fan.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are the indians thinking
they get the 3 most overrated prospects in baseball in carrasco donald and marson. These three are all living on the reputations of their preseason ranking otherwise right now they would all be from numbers 7 to 9 in their own teams prospect list. Donald wouldnt even be in the top 10. He is 24 and in AAA and hes not even doing well. Then Knapp is 18 and already has shoulder problems. This is some big time BULL and also robbery
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What would McDonald be based on his preseason ranking compared to what he's done this year?
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you take only his minor league stats like you are doing with those guys
hes done very well in the minor league level.
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point but I think your overstating the value of one Cliff Lee
1 1/2 years of being an above average pitcher at his age is not something I’d trade anymore then what the Phillies gave up.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a very good pitcher in 2005 also
the phillies didnt include happ, drabek, taylor or brown their 4 top prospects if you can include happ and cliff lee is going from the very tough AL to the NL…… remember last year CC sabathia came from al to NL And COMPLETELY DOMINATED…. but i am not scared of facing cliff lee in the playoffs as much as cole hamels.
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Good News is that the Price for Starting Pitching Just Went Way Down
and Toronto is going to have to modify its expectations. This means what we have to offer from our minor league and bench could now buy a good starting pitcher.
by Dodger Dude on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if that matters to us but hopefully the price of relief
pitching also went down.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will matter big time if we get Halladay
Yes this deal also sets the price of all pitching as lower than what has been asked.
I personally think we need a starter way more than a reliever (especially since another starter bumps one of your decent starters (like Wolf and/or Kuroda) into the pen come playoff time, but I agree with Ned’s strategy on going out there and getting the best pitcher realistically available whether starter or relief.
But he has to be a pretty good pitcher to replace what we currently have, so this price reduction is good news because picking up scraps isn’t going to help the team.
by Dodger Dude on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know that joe torre would not start clayton in the playoffs
doesnt he always go with the veterans..
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoff Starting Rotation
Right now I would count Kershaw as in the rotation, but if he went with Kuroda, that would bring Kershaw and or Wolf into the fourth starter/1st reliever role and still leave a good starting pitcher dedicated to the pen.
5 good starters = Bills, New Guy, Kershaw, Wolfie, Kuroda
3 Playoff Starters = Bills, New Guy, Kershaw (Kuroda)
Injury Replacement = One of our 5-20 or so 5th pitchers
by Dodger Dude on Jul 29, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we go against philly in the playoffs
Wolf and Kuroda HAVE to start…. kuroda because in 3 lifetime appearances vs the phillies, he has OWNED them. Wolf because the phillies big threats are all lefties and wolf Owns lefties. The other rotation spot would go to billingsley and then Kershaw and If we get a new guy battle it out for the last spot. Thats the thing with torre. He would go with wolf over kershaw against the phillies cause hes a veteran
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd definitely go with Kershaw and Wolf
Considering how lefty-heavy the Phillies lineup is.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 29, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a healthy Kuo alleviates the need for a reliever
and getting back a healthy Belisario will be a nice bump too.
Honestly though, it hasn’t been talked about much, I’d rather get a hitter. I’d love to pick up Adam Dunn and I like Phil’s idea of getting another local boy in Gabe Kapler.
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Toronto should see that this is what the market is for a “true ace” and that one of the major “buyers” is now out of the market.
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean Cliff Lees teammate
Victor Martinez is avaliable too now? we should trade Loney + a few prospects for him
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You and Sean should go into business together :)
With the acquisition of C Lou Marson, and all the other C’s they have
does that mean Victor Martinez is gonna be traded?
If so package Loney and lets get it done
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
by Michael White on Jul 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far an interesting week in the trading world
things are popping today.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what a joke the pirates are
they trade their best players and instead of getting high upside guys.. they get a bunch of AAAA guys… thats why they are stuck in mediocrity. Frandsen, bowker and guzman. Are you serious. Those guys are all AAAA players
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there anyone on the pirates who is not for sale?
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
by Sordid on Jul 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just cutting salaries and picking up bodies
What would you expect for glove SS like Wilson with a large contract. Just getting anything for him is a plus. Snell might pan out but he’s been awful for 1 1/2 years.
You think Freddie Sanchez was worth more then three flyers?
Your expectations on return for these guys seems out of place. Their new GM is doing the right thing, removing expensive deadwood for cheap deadwood while he waits for the farm system and international signings to start to bare fruit. D Young was also AAAA fodder and he’s been quite useful for them. You never know what can happen when you give someone at bats. If anyone of Frandsen, Bowker, or Guzman pan out, you win, if they don’t you still aren’t losing because Sanchez wasn’t worth much to begin with. Hell, look at what G Jones has done for them once they gave him at bats.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least get one guy who has some upside
none of those guys have any upside
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clement might have some upside in the right situation
he’s a former number on pick. I expect most analysts are going to argue that the Pirates did very good in the Mariner trade given what they gave up. BP’s Kevin Goldstein thinks it is the best trade they have made.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't LaRoche have some upside?
Byran Morris?
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates are paying almost all of the salaries, though
per Dejan Kovacevic:
Pirates paying all but $400,000 of each of Wilson, Snell salaries rest of this season
Pirates paying total of $3,308,702.19 in Wilson/Snell trade
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So not much of a salary dump then
I stand corrected on that but the accumulation of bodies is not a bad thing in my mind.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kingclipDon’t be surprised to see the #Pirates try to solve a bit of a potential logjam by trying Andy Laroche at 2B.4 minutes ago from TweetDeck
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was in Philadelphia recently and watched the Phillies on TV from a hotel. It was terrifying. Cliff Lee doesn’t make me feel better.
by ladodgers2716 on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The offense is scary
and if Hamels gets back on track they are going to be tough to beat but they were already going to be tough to beat. They aren’t the World Champions for nothing.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the NLCS is going to be Dodgers – Phillies barring something catastrophic. But we knew this before the trade.
by ladodgers2716 on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
October does funny things
People would have said that about Cubs-Phillies beforehand. Eggs prior to hatching, etc.
by Jacob Burch on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Until October rolls around and we see who is left standing on the rosters I wouldn’t make any assumptions about the NLCS.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crapshoot
Playoffs are still a bit of a crapshoot, especially the first round five game series. A team like the Cardinals, Cubs or Giants could easily knock them out in the first round…. and could easily knock us out too (of course not the Giants).
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants make the wild card
I will be rooting for them to knock out the Phillies in five games, using Lincecum in game four and Cain in game five.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! With a few rainouts and many extra inning games.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same even though i hate them...
but id rather face them in the NLCS…
by shaqfor3 on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NLDS is an absolute crap shoot, Game 1 is critical.
by Rolex l on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awwwwww shit
damn phillies….
what other pitchers can we trade for now other than halladay???
by shaqfor3 on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Other then Halladay their is nobody who would be better
then our current four man rotation so what would be the point unless they can start a playoff game and are better then what we have.
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awwwwww shit.....
damn phillies…
what other pitchers can we trade for other than halladay???
by shaqfor3 on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So does Cliff Lee replace Moyer in the rotation
when Pedro is ready?
by meercatjohn on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to start a band named “When Pedro Is Ready”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee and Park Factors
Yes, I know it’s not the biggest sample to work off of for park factors. But Cliff Lee is going from a park that has a 2009 HR PF of 0.693 to one that has a HR PF of 1.072.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law just said on ESPN Radio that the Dodgers have said they aren’t going to trade Linblom, Elbert, or any of their top 4 prospects (I’m assuming he meant J-Mac and Withrow as the other two), but that their 5-10 guys aren’t good enough to get any deals done.
Law said something to the effect of:
Tom Gordon’s son won’t be headlining a deal.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw the Phillies
last night at Chase pretty much handle Haren offensively, now this. Jeezus
by EdfromAZ on Jul 29, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DodgersNationTop 3 most attractive Dodgers 1) Andre Ethier 2) Russell Martin 3) Matt Kemp RT @sashavfierce – omggg who is it?? I can’t see!!3 minutes ago from web
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the purpose of this quote?
This is just some nobody telling us who his favorite Dodgers are? OK, but why bother passing it on here? And what’s with the bit at the end? ("omggg who is it?? I can’t see!!3 minutes ago from web ") Why do you think anyone here wants to read this? I like those guys too, maybe different order, but so what? I’m just puzzled.
by berkowit28 on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the purpose of anything?
I think you’re taking this a bit too seriously.
But I’ll refrain from posting random crap like this next time.
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Plaschke people!
# BillPlaschkeAre you telling me the Dodgers or Angels couldn’t have made that same deal?less than 20 seconds ago from web
BillPlaschkeLemme see if I got this straight..Phillies just got Cliff Lee from Indians for nothing off the major-league roster?? Nothing???2 minutes ago from web
I like it how he has no idea who the prospects are, how good they are, etc
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
# BillPlaschkeI wish this deal had happened before ATH was taped today..With those arguments, I would have won, right Tony?less than 20 seconds ago from web
BillPlaschkeRight now, Phillies have to be favorites to win National League. With four lefties in rotation, huge matchup probs in postseason1 minute ago from web
Huge matchup problems for who? Its a heck of a lot easier to find right handed hitters than left handed hitters.
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only team its a match up problem for is the phillies because they have so many lefties in heir lineup
so they stole all of them so they wouldnt have to face them
by matthewmafa on Jul 29, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about trading for washburn??
not saying we have to but since the bluejays have asked for kershaw in halladay talks
washburn could be an option…
by shaqfor3 on Jul 29, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lee
why couldn’t the Dodgers get Cliff Lee? if the Phillies got him w/out giving up any of their coveted prospects, i’m pretty sure the Dodgers could have got him w/out giving up Bills and Kershaw.
by 8sp0rts8 on Jul 29, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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