Dodgers acquire George Sherrill for Josh Bell and Steve Johnson
Ken Gurnick reports the Dodgers have acquired George Sherrill
Nice call by Canuck who called this in the Halladay thread right below. Though I'm sure he's not happy about being right.
The Dodgers played this right, it was first leaked that the deal was Elbert/Josh Bell for Sherrill and there was more fucking going on in the thread comments then in a Paris Hilton sex video. Once everyone found out it was Steve Johnson, calmer voices surfaced because the alternative was so hard to contemplate. Elbert is probably our best upper level pitching prospect while Steve Johnson is Steve Johnson.
Steve Johnson may have saved the Dodgers from trading a better prospect by performing quite well in his last two starts for the Lookouts. Johnson’s ceiling is a back end rotation guy, but Josh Bell may be the guy we really regret losing in this deal.
Bell has many scenarios that could play out:
1. Stays at 3rd base and learns to hit LHP then we were screwed.
2. Stays at 3rd base, never learns to hit LHP, we are still screwed.
3. Moves to first base and learns to hit LHP , then we are still screwed.
4. Moves to first base, never learns to hit LHP – still bummed
5. Stays at 3rd, never hits either arm – okay
6. Moves to 1st, can’t hit either arm – okay
The latest skinny on Steve Johnson from Baseball Prospecus Kevin Goldstein:
Sleeper Alert!
Steven Johnson, RHP, Dodgers (Double-A Chattanooga)
Monday's stats: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K
A 13th-round pick in 2005 and the son of former big leaguer and Orioles broadcaster Dave Johnson, Steven has taken a slow-but-steady rise through the Dodgers system. He has taken a big step forward this year, striking out 102 in 96.2 innings for High-A Inland Empire and now 15 in 10 2/3 frames over his first two Double-A starts. He's not a monster by any stretch, but his fastball and breaking ball both rate a tick above average and there's some deception to his delivery. Scouts think he could fit in the back of the rotation when all is said and done.
The latest skinny on Josh Bell from Kevin Goldstein:
Josh Bell, 3B, Dodgers (Double-A Chattanooga)
A fourth-round pick in 2005, Bell has always combined impressive tools with good/not-great performances due to a poor approach. Things have changed considerably for him this year, as his walk rate is way up, his strikeout rate is way down, and that combination is rarely seen suddenly only after a player reaches the upper levels. The exciting thing is that the bat is beginning to explode as well; by going 12-for-21 in his last six games with four doubles and pair of home runs, he's now batting .297/.388/.500. No wonder his name is suddenly coming up quite a bit in trade rumors
As painful to the future the trade may be, we do upgrade the bullpen from Leach to Sherrill and if he continues to pitch like he did for the Orioles he adds a formidable arm to the bullpen and may save Torre from killing Troncoso which might have value all to itself.
George Sherrill career statistics
From the current major league team you have to like the addition. For the future, we may regret this deal.
On another note, we still have to wonder what the Dodgers are going to do with Elbert. With Kuo, Sherrill, Leach, and Ohman on the way someday, you have to think Elbert is now strictly going to be considered rotation material. Still hoping for a showing on Friday in Dodger Blue and not Toronto Blue. Though if he is in Toronto blue the alternative would not be frowned upon.
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From the current major league team you have to like the addition. For the future, we may regret this deal.
the point is that right now is the best chance we may have in the near future to win it all. This year (and for the most part next year) we have all the pieces in place. I think we had to go for it now
Go for what?
Is he even a fraction of a percent increase in chance of winning?
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
if matt stairs had not hit the homer
would the dodgers have won that game? i forgot
Who knows
It was tied at the time IIRC.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How likely is that?
By that logic the Dodgers should continue giving prospects for marginal upgrades that will be worth zero if they don’t win the World Series.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it is very likely
we are going to need a shut down LHP pitcher against the Phillies to get to the World Series. Last year I figured it would be Kuo but wasn’t. With the addition of Ibanez it is even more important this year. Just saying one at bat could be the difference in a five or seven game series. Sherrill could also come in and walk the guy.
My only point was, that I would have loved to have had Sherrill facing Stairs last year in the 4th game instead of Broxton.
I just don't get why
everybody is so excited to give up talent for what are obviously marginal increases.
With Sherrill we are talking about maybe 1-10 innings worth of value here.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not just what sherrill brings on the mound
it’s that he saves the other guys from being overworked. so they’ll be that much more effective down the stretch
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers could throw out their replacement level guys
and it’s very likely they still make the playoffs.
Torre being a moron won’t save anybody regardless.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He's also going to be on the team in 2010 and 2011 (hopefully)
And helps us against the toughest team we will have to face to get to the World Series.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He's got 2 more ARB years after this season
He was a Super-2, so this is his second of 4 years of ARB. He’s about $2.6M in salary this year, prorated for the 100 games already played.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
yeah i think it is
because he may not personally make the difference he’ll make Troncoso, Broxton, and the others that much more rested, and that much more effective
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
30 to 60
On a scale from 1 to 100. 100 being the best trade ever made. I handicap the trade as being a slight loss, ranging from anywhere from 30 to 60. Too early to call. A lot depends on how the two prospects do and what if any draft picks we get for Sherril after the 2010 season ends.
vr, Xei
Will Carroll said this:
Heard Jays liked the prospects Dodgers sent for Sherrill. Another one out of the Halladay derby. JP’s blown this one
I hope this didn’t block a Halladay deal.
yes one bad year
his numbers are great otherwise
by trainwreck84 on Jul 30, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted no
I’m very disappointed to see Josh Bell go. How long is Sherill under the Dodgers control for? He’s not a pending UFA, is he?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
Thank you both
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You do the math?
George Sherrill lhp
1 year/$2.75M (2009)
1 year/$2.75M (2009)
re-signed by Baltimore 2/6/09 (avoided arbitration, $3.4M-$2.2M)
1 year/$0.9M (2008)
re-signed by Seattle 1/16/08 (avoided arbitration)
$60,000 in performance bonuses
acquired by Baltimore in trade from Seattle 2/8/08
1 year/$0.395M (2007), re-signed 3/07
1 year/$0.333M (2006)
ML service: 3.147
Assuming Sherrill is activated tomorrow, the Dodgers will have him for 66 days this season.
The season is 183 days long.
$2,750,000 × 66/183 = $991,803 this season
A minimum player (Leach) would have made $144,262, so in 2009 salary we added about $847,501
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep…he’s a good bet for $10 million over the next two years. Yikes.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
10 mill?
hes gettin 4 mill next year then we offer arb the next and he declines and we get compensation
Did Baltimore buy out his arb year next year?
How would that work? Why wouldn’t he get arb next year?
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He has no right to decline arbitration yet. He is two seasons from getting free agency.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
oh shit
thats horrible for the dodgers cause then he gets expensive plus hes going to be old and then when hes a free agent if he accpets aRBritration it might cost the dodgers near 10 mil if he accepts sHIT
By that time his arb number could decline because he won’t have the saves, and might be judged from a setup guy perspective.
$10m is probably a high guess for his next two years.
And he probably won’t accept arbitration when he’s a FA because he’ll want his first multi-year deal. But that’s too far off to speculate.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll be 35 his first year of free agency though
Not a gimme that he’d even get a mult-year deal.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
very good point
35 year olds dont get lucrative multi year deals.. unless your kevin brown
I know Kevin Brown
Kevin Brown was a former favorite player of mine. George Sherrill is no Kevin Brown.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Rock on mwhite
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
So arbitration after this year and next year
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yep…he is at 3 years, 147 days service time entering this year
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
old man gets 4 years of arbitration :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows
depending on how Sherrill does in the playoffs he could have more impact then Halladay. I know we would have loved to have him facing Matt Stairs last year instead of Broxton.
we might have to add one or two
players from the roster to get halladay since we traded 2 of our prospects
but why the hell didnt they try to go after halladay first then worry about getting Sherill??
Facing more competition for Sherrill then Doc
Or they might have decided this was what they wanted. I’m just glad it wasn’t Elbert. I need to add that to the post.
There really aren’t many other teams. Angels have backed off, and the Red Sox are lukewarm…Doc could still be had.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say good
Riccardi is seemingly content letting Halladay stay put.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what they say
It’s nice to want things. :)
Actually, I haven’t heard any indication that Halladay would be that excited to go to the Dodgers. He seemed to want to go to the city of brotherly love.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
he doesnt want to go to pheonoix facility
but florida or something in the east
Sure, no problem
Bon Voyage Juan Castro and Claudio Vargas! ;-)
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
the funny thing about this trade is we gave up better prospects then the phillies did for cliff lee. the phillies got a cy young award winner.. we got a reliever…
Josh bell is a better prospect then anyone in the cliff lee sherill deal. Steve Johnson is a better prospect then Marson and Donald. Sad……
I’m sure that the dodgers had conservations with the indians about Lee but apparently Shapiro doesn’t like the dodgers prospects as much as the phillies.
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
i think Carrasco is the best in that deal
or in either deal
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Overrated
He’s not a frontline guy. Maybe average.
Indians got 3 average guys and 1 upside guy with arm trouble. Splendid.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Carrasco is better in the scheme of things because he’s young for AAA with good k rates and Bell is having his first good year in AA.
However, it’s not a guy I build a package around for an “ace”.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
he's got top of the rotation upside
something that can’t be said about Johnson. plus fastball and change, which matthew seems to like in a pitcher at least
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
you never know what will happen with johnson
a 21 year old strikeing out 15 in 10 inings in double AA.. and for some reason he is much better against left handed batter then right
Yeah
They also got Cliff Lee for him, not a middle reliever.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
they gave up average players!!!
no upside…. they gave up loneys and martins… not kemps and ethiers!!
no upside?!?
Carrasco is a potential 1 or 2 starter…is that not upside?
Knapp is 18!!! All he has is upside
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Not by much
Marson has below average regular upside with most likely being a backup.
Carrasco has #2 upside with most likely being middle or back of rotation.
Donald has below average 3rd baseman upside with utility man likelihood.
Knapp has #1-#2/closer upside with arm death a possibility and backend reliever likelihood.
It’s really not much for lee. They are compiling average players basically. The Dodgers could match it, and I wouldn’t mind giving it.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
ok ok they have 2 guys with upside the 2 pitchers
but what really pisses me off is the other 2 marson and donald…. These two are living off their reputation from the begining of the year… These 2 are not what we thought they were.
…and we let ’em off the hook!
[bangs podium]
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
you must be joking with donald
come on.. what a joke
I said he could be
He was rated higher going into the season. Bell is no stud prospect.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I realize
It still seems like you are really overrating the Dodgers prospects though. Bell isn’t some special player or something. I do think the Phillies got the better end of the Cliff Lee deal but the package they gave up was MUCH better than what we gave up for Sherrill.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well its suppose to be better obviously
we traded for a reliever they got a CY YOUNG WINNNERRR!!
Let's not forget how important relievers are come playoff time.
Yes, starting pitchers are even more important, but we won’t get anywhere with a bullpen with holes in it.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
where are the gaping holes
in comparison to everybody else?
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
for the dodgers?
we dont have a so called “ACE”
but thats some bull
I didn't say gaping holes
just holes. Like what if Kuo hits some more bumps in the road. Or Beli never makes it back to top form. Or Troncoso gets injured.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
i also agree
i like Bell but he’s still a AA player
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Bell is better than Carrasco or Knapp?
I don’t think so. And I wouldn’t take Johnson over Marson or Donald. Marson should be a borderline starting catcher and Donald has been playing through injuries, otherwise he’s a much better prospect than Johnson.
Just because we’re more familiar with the Dodger’s prospects doesn’t make them better.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Marson is a career back up!
Donald is 24 in AAA .. hes pretty much ching lung hu….. knapp is 18 already with shoulder issues and carrasco maybe
Donald has put up consistently good hitting numbers
Until this year when he’s supposedly been playing through an injury, he’s a much better hitter than Hu.
Marson doesn’t have any power but he’s put up great on-base numbers, who’s to say he can’t be a starter?
Knapp also has huge potential. Obviously the Indians liked him more than who we were offering. He does have his faults but so do Bell and Johnson.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Bell might not be better than Carrasco, but I would take Johnson over Marson and a guy who even BA thinks might be a super utility guy. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the trade
If our bullpen can get healthy it is going to be ridiculous. Having Sherrill and Kuo against the Phillies (I’m assuming we are going to face them) will be a huge plus. I don’t see Steven Johnson as much of a loss and while losing Bell hurts you have to pay a price to get 2.5 years of a pretty good reliever. Good win now move, I expected us to have to give up more to get Sherrill.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions
I voted no, but i'm starting to agree with you
He’s hasn’t been bad at all against righties this year but that startling stat is what lefties are OPS+ -ing against him. I got this from MSTI, and lefties have an OPS+ of 3 against sherrill. awesome
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I apologize for all the grammatical errors. The trade deadline drives me insane
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal and Morosi say the Dodgers have enough in their system to make a competitive offer for Halladay, even after acquiring George Sherrill. Devaris Gordon isn’t available in any trade, according to ESPN’s Jayson Stark.
well they are expecting us to traade our whole farm
do they want us to include or 2009 draft picks as PTBNL
no wonder the dodgers had to pay such a steep price....
sheril is under control for another 2.5 years.. i didnt know.. i thought it was 1.5,,, but still too steep.. josh bell was proably casey blakes replacement and johnsons 21 doing well at AA already
Blake Dewitt?
He could still play at 3rd.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Baez is not very good
He better improve. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted no as well. Especially if Bell and Johnson could torpedo a deal for Halladay.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows if the Jays where willing to come back to reality?
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
I say smoke screen
that Frank was never going to add the contract and that Sherrill was who they were after all along.
That would change things
But there is no way to no if that is the case. The Jays have been asking for much better guys than Bell and Johnson.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sherril Splits
Career:
vs LHB (IP: 107.2, HR: 8, BB: 30, SO: 145)
vs RHB (IP: 115.1, HR: 11, BB: 76, SO: 90)
vr, Xei
For some reason I read the homers as walks and thought, “wow, he really doesn’t walk anyone!”
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
The two seem like a nice coup by the Orioles in exchange for a two years and a third of Sherrill as they continue to build with impressive young talent.
I'd just add Shapiro
was smart enough to snag Santana last year. I’m sure his scouts did their homework on the Philly prospects. I expect they turn out better then what you and mathew think.
Ned was dumb enough
to trade him.
Seems more likely.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cliff-lee-to-philadelphia
Pretty much my feelings.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Orioles are doing some good things
but can they ever hope to compete? If those young arms develop, the East will just be that much tougher.
Go back to 2 and eliminate the wild card!
Though I guess I could wait until the offseason to bang this drum again.
We have bigger fish to fry today.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
no we can win
Welcome to the Show, Chris, May You Have A Great Start To A Great Career
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 30, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The plan is, "Grow the Arms, Buy the Bats"
The Orioles have 4 rookies in the rotation now, and two more in the minors that are better than any of the four already here.
The OF is Nolan Reimold in LF, who may win RoY in the AL. CF is Adam Jones, 2009 All-Star. And RF is Nick Markakis, who leads the AL in assists and has a great bat. C Matt Wieters is batting over .315 again RHP, and 2B Brian Roberts is locked up for 4 more years. The bullpen will be all young arms next year, and we might have solved our long-term 3B problem today. Our 1B of the future is sitting in AA now. We’ve effectively acquired 11 players for Erik Bedard and Miggy Tejada with this trade.
2011, look for us in the standings.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
doc
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9871032/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Thursday’s-edition
The Roy Halladay sweepstakes appear all but over, with no winner.
“If we get through today and we’re not anywhere, that would be a pretty good sign that it’s done,” Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi told FOXSports.com at 4 p.m. ET Thursday, 24 hours before the non-waiver trade deadline.
“There are too many logistics for it to get done (tomorrow). For someone to come on the spot at the 11th hour, knowing they could have talked about this guy for a long time, I don’t think that it’s going to happen.”
Asked how many conversations he had with clubs on Thursday, Ricciardi said, “enough.” But the Jays, according to a major-league source, were “very quiet.”
Ricciardi said that if Halladay is not traded, the team likely will keep most of its players who are under contract for 2010 and beyond, and refrain from trading veterans such as third baseman Scott Rolen.
He even said that he probably would not trade shortstop Marco Scutaro, who could bring the Jays two high draft picks if he leaves as a free agent at the end of the season.
“I don’t think anything has changed from the day we said we would listen,” Ricciardi said. “We listened. We said we had to be ‘wowed’ to move him. We haven’t been.”
Oh well
Enjoy another 4th place finish next year and then watch Halladay walk….
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
To the Red Sox/Yankees
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
they can get more of him in the offseason ironically
or it’s theoretically possible if jp isn’t a moron
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Nobody makes panic trades in the offseason. The iron is hottest when all these teams think 1 pitcher is the difference between a ring and no playoff appearances.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They have their finances in order though
so I team like the Rangers with a vastly superior farm system with loads of talent can make an offer better than some contender who may not even have the prospects but is just throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks. :o
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Orioles would disagree
we did quite well when the Mariners and the Astros went into semi-panic mode.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
That's a pretty big asumption you're making...
it’s theoretically possible if jp isn’t a moron
without much evidence to back it up. :)
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
To be fair
JP has been doing this schtick all year with Doc—saying there’s no way they trade him, to being coy, to saying no way. I won’t believe anything until the deadline passes.
So now - about that RH pinch hitter
I’ve decided I’d like to target Delmon Young because he’s at such a low point in value right now. 770 OPS against LHP is nothing to get excited about but in the right climate D Young could still reach some of his potential. Bring him home, let him smell the sweet smell of the beach with no humidity(Tampa) no bugs(Tampa/Twins).
Tim Sexton, Xavier Paul, and Andy Van Slyke is my offer.
That sounds like a description of Milton Bradley.
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
definitely not a clubhouse cancer
but would be hell on his development . .. Hes still only 22 or 23, and you wanna make him into a 4th OF ouch
by SeanMillerSavior on Jul 30, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that would be too big of a PR hit for the Twins to trade him for a package like that.
But he doesn’t seem like the kind of player we would target anyways.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
gomes, kouzmanoff?
I like gomes but cinci thinks they can compete for some reason
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw your link on that
but don’t think we can get Kouz cheap enough to make it worthwhile. He is their starting 3rd baseman. The ideal player is Gabe Kaplar and the Rays do have a plethora of outfielders once Iwamura comes back and Zobrist moves back to the outfield.
agree
i was out of ideas
I can’t see young for the same reason though
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
hey everyone… The best Reliever on the market was not george sherrill But Arthur Rhodes…. now go look at his numbers vs left handers and you will be amazed.. not only do LHB have a .330 OPS against him but a .224 BAA vs right handers and he would have came in for MUCH MUCH cheaper money wise and talent wise
Too lazy to check
But I’m sure lefties have a much higher career OPS against Rhodes than .330.
by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
last year their OPS was .447
so obviosuly hes done something new that lefties hit like pitches against him
Rhodes
Not bad but a lucky BABIP and 39 years of age, are drawbacks. I’d take Sherril over Rhodes, but if Rhodes didn’t require us to trade much then that could tip the scales in his direction.
vr, Xei
FOX Sports
the Dodgers have enough left in their farm system to make a competitive offer to the Blue Jays for Roy Halladay. It’s not clear, though, if they’re going to be willing to do that.
OT: ESPNNEWS
reports Odom is re-signing with the Lakers
by bucknellbruin on Jul 30, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If Halladay joins, today is a great day! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Thinking ahead that long is not the LA way.
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
they 4-5 years left to contend for championships
you cant win forever anyway so relish what u have now…
2-3 years seems more reasonable, at most.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
My eyes will be too tired to care, what with the blinding shine from the rings and the O’Brien trophies…and the champagne in my eyes!!! :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Past trophies do have quite a shine to them.
Artest will never win a trophy. Ever, he is destined to become Karl Malone and the trash talker.
Something like Laker championships in the next two seasons vs. Clipper playoff game wins over the next two seasons.
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually like the Clips so that will be tough, but I might consider it…give me some time to think about it. :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, you laid some serious odds on that one
Basically an excellent scenario for the Lakers is 1 championship.
You are basically giving me 2 years for the Clippers to rack up 2 playoff wins.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Houston Rockets
got 3 wins with a 6’5 dude playing center against the soon to be NBA Champions.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Like who?
Trade Baron Davis for a proven ace?
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
You’re analogy makes more sense considering I’d trade Baron today for TMac’s corpse.
by Michael White on Jul 30, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Let us be bold
Just this year, any Clipper playoff win over Laker world championship. The idea of a 19 win team even making the playoffs is ludicrous probably higher then the odds of back to back.
its just a three year deal wirth 24 mill
the 4th year is lakers option so if he sucks they can just decline it…. great deal for the lakers
Anticlimatic.
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
I’m rooting for Halladay tonight, just to ease off tomorrow :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
sheril
throws a 90 MPH fastball and a 75 MPH slider.. he is also a big time fly ball pitcher. hes only allowed line drives 15% of the time Flyballs 51 % groundball 33%
The Oriole Fan Thinks...
That’s this is a excellent trade for both sides.
Sherrill was an all-star last year.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 30, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
Appreciate your feedback here. Baltimore is doing a fantastic job acquiring good young talent. I hope this trade works out for the best on both sides!
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
As a O's fan and a Dodgers fan
I certainly hope so.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Good trade
A little much for Sherril, but he is good. On MLBDailyDish, they had a poll, could dodgers make playoffs without more pitching, the dodgers will make it, this is a playoff move
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The Dodgers come into today
with 90.6% odds of making the playoffs. They could’ve made no moves and still been almost assured to make the playoffs.
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Orioles fan here...
I hope this trade works out well for both teams.
Sherrill was a bit of a fan favorite in Baltimore, partly for his performance and partly because he wears his cap with a flat brim (apparently in defiance of a few people who once laughed at him as a young player who didn’t even know how to wear a cap). Because of our bullpen situation, we had to use him as a closer, both as others have pointed out, he’s particularly strong against lefties, and should thrive in that role.
My guess is the Dodgers got him not so much to make the playoffs, but for a few key moments in the playoffs. And he’s not a free agent until after 2011, so he’s not a rental.
I wish Sherrill the best of luck in LA, and hope he shines for the Dodgers in the playoffs.
Thanks…Bell should be good for the Orioles down the road.
I really like that teammates called Sherrill “Duckbill.” :)
by Eric Stephen on Jul 30, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
the brim reaper?
i think he copyrighted that!
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 30, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PositivePaul on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
After he saved a game....
no matter how many runners he leaves on base (and it was usually 2), the team always flipped their bills up, and Brian Roberts would walk over and tell him, “Never a doubt, Georgie. Never a doubt.”
Get used to heartburn, but he gets the job done. Eventually.
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Another Ned Coletti over pay
Damn the Orioles are getting good at fleecing people out of minor league talent.
If the Dodgers don’t win this next year it is gonna be harder to suffer through the terrible teams they are set up to field over the next 3-4 years.
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Damn the Orioles are getting good at fleecing people out of minor league talent.
That’s is why we will be very good very soon
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
"fleecing?"
The reaction from some people about trading 1 very good prospect and 1 decent one has been an interesting contrast, considering that this morning people here were willing to gut the ENTIRE farm system for Roy Halladay! Guess what? The Dodgers have 4 very capable starters, and a VERY shaky bullpen from the southpaw side. On Dodger talk, they gave Brent Leach player of the game for doing so horribly the other day, just because it served as a reminder of how much the Dodgers need a left-handed relief pitcher. Do you really think the Orioles weren’t going to make it hurt a LITTLE to get their closer? This MAY turn out to backfire on the Dodgers later- that’s the risk with these types of trades. But there’s no way of knowing that now, and all things considered, I don’t think this is bad at all.
Bottom line- the idea that all of our prospects are made of platinum unless it’s The One (aka Roy Halladay) in which case they are nothing but trade bait seems a bit contradictory, don’t you think?
That's because Roy Halladay
pitches 7-9 innings per game, and Sherrill pitches .3 to 1 inning per game.
I don’t care how terrible the left-handed specialist is, there’s a difference and Elbert/Kuo are fine, there are lots of replacement options as well.
by Chad Moriyama on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, but Elbert is STILL a prospect for now...
…and Kuo’s arm could fall off any minute. And let’s not forget Broxton’s toe!
I’m not comparing Halladay to Sherill; I’m just saying that the response to giving up prospects between Halladay and Sherill is so out of proportion, as if Halladay IS the holy grail, and Sherill is just some mop-up guy who will just take a space on the roster. And obviously everyone would rather have Roy Halladay, but Sherill fills a very critical hole at a much smaller price.
And don’t forget that .3 to 1 inning can be very valuable, especially for left-handers. Just ask Matt Stairs.
Right
And BIllingsley/Kershaw/Wolf could all get hurt at any moment as well. Such is sport.
The difference between Halladay and Sherrill IS a canyon. Sorry.
An elite starter, possibly the #1 in baseball, for a good reliever.
Albert Pujols and James Loney are not closer than people think either.
by Chad Moriyama on Aug 2, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions
We Are All Inn This Year, So No Use Hedging your Bets
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. This trade makes sense to me, we already have a solid pen, this guy just replaces one of the weaker arms in the pen and makes almost all of our relievers pretty solid. I think JOe loves situational lefties and this guy fits the bill.
Still would rather get a #1 or #2 pitcher though. We’ll see.
Everyone also needs to remember we are not Baltimore where if we don’t have any talent coming up were sunk. LA also has the power of the purse.
do you not know our owner and gm
they have had a good history of big free agent signing…. andruw jones jason smidcht
Greetings!
I’m new here (though a crusty LookoutLanding elder statesman), but have been a closet Dodgers fan for the last couple of years. This move pushes me over whatever was keeping me from adopting them formally as MY NL team. Today, I’m proclaiming boldly my loyal fandom for the Dodgers!
I’m known as the “Free George Sherrill” guy over on Mariners blogs, since waaay back when he was in the M’s farm system, I was touting him as a guy to add to the ‘pen, and ultimately as a closer. In 2004, I re-named my MarinersMorsels blog to “Free George Sherrill!” To make a long story short, I’ve become friends with both him and his brother, and he’s clearly my favorite player in the game (so I’m caveating all of this with my full confession of bias). I was really really torn when B’more fleeced the M’s for Bedard, because I was saddened that my days of regular trips to the bullpen in the 2nd inning to chat “GS52” up were over, to be limited by the 1-2 trips the O’s make to Seattle. On the other hand, I saw that the O’s were able and willing to ultimately give him a shot in the closer’s role, and I was thrilled for him. So, yeah, bittersweet…
But you guys don’t care about that junk so I’ll continue…
Sherrill’s biggest asset is his deception. He’s not a burner by any means – throws low-90s and has some decent breaking stuff when he can conrol it. He hides the ball extremely well so the pitches pop a little more, as if he’s throwing in the high-90s. As has been mentioned, he muuuurders lefties, and has no problem with the big lefty boppers. I don’t know of a better pitcher against lefty batters. He’s had problems with walking righty batters, but still manages to be respectable against them (OPS of .752, career – but heavy on the OBP side - a sub.400 SLG vs. righties, career). Indeed a bit of a fly-baller, which won’t hurt him as much in Dodgers Stadium as it did in Camden. I never thought he’d be an all-star closer, but hey, the Orioles were pretty terrible in 2008 (although nowhere near as epically fail-full as my Mariners) and you have to send SOMEONE to the ASG. Still – it was a well-deserved honor for a guy who had a pretty fantastic first half as the 2nd-best closer in the league at the time. I wast just more conservative – thinking he’d be a servicable closer, death to lefties, capable of holding down leads — just not dominating like K-Rod or Rivera…
I leave the scouting stuff to my friend Jason Churchill, but I will say that the thing that I like most about GS52 is his makeup. He took a roundabout way to the bigs – he was undrafted out of college (Austin Peay – “Let’s Go Peay!”) and spent several years kicking around the independent leagues. Charlie Kerfeld competed with a few other scouts, liked what he saw and gave him a contract better than the Yankees’ offer and signed him for the Mariners in 2003. He’s not blessed genetically with a track star’s body, and works extra-hard to keep the pounds off. He’s soft-spoken, but knows his job and how to do it. Get down to business and be cool about it. He’s not showy – a bit quirky with the whole “Brim Reaper” thing, and definitely a good Tennessee boy. Just truly a fantastic human being. While I was his most outspoken fan in Seattle, he had a lot of them there, too. And in Baltimore, too…
I’m not all THAT familiar with Dodgers prospects in general, and Bell and Johnson specifically. One of my friends who has friends in high places w/the Dodgers kept hearing how much Baltimore was asking for him, and I kept hearing several other bigger names that, yeah, Ned wasn’t going to be giving up for him. So, it’s probably not as bad as it could’ve been. Coletti’s no Bill Bavasi, not even close. While it may be a little bit more than you wanted to pay, don’t let that distract you from the fact that George Sherrill is a valuable relief pitcher. If something happens to Broxton or he is overused a bit, George can step in and close. He has the experience and the makeup to handle it, and even if you don’t believe those things are important to the role his numbers are evident enough too. While I don’t expect y’all to go as nutso as I’ve gone for him, I’m sure you’ll like him.
If you still want a starter, I bet you could convince Coletti to give Elbert to the Mariners for Washburn, and you’ll have the starting pitcher you probably need. He does have World Series experience!
Pretty please? :-)
Anyway, I’m sure you’ll see me more ‘round these parts a little. I’ll try to fit in. Since my Mariners are pretty much out of it, I need to have a playoff team to root for. Now I have a tangible reason to. I’ll try to get Sid (George’s brother) to poke his head in here and say “hi” one of these days. He’s a great dude!
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