Dodgers / Braves Game Two Chat
by Eric Stephen on Aug 7, 2009 6:45 PM PDT
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PrintAtlanta Braves at Los Angeles Dodgers, Aug 7, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
Tony Abreu's last major league game was September 23, 2007. Abreu, recalled from Albuquerque today, hopes to join Jeff Weaver, Eric Milton, and Jason Schmidt in the "2009 Dodgers that didn't play in MLB in 2008, but did in 2007" club.
Chipper Jones was a late scratch, thanks to a strained left oblique, suffered during batting practice, per Mark Bowman of MLB.com. Kelly Johnson is now in the lineup, playing second base, and Martin Prado moves to third base.
Here are tonight's lineups:
| Braves | Dodgers |
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| CF | McLouth | SS | Furcal |
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| 3B | Prado |
RF | Ethier | |
| LF | Anderson | LF | Manny |
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| C | McCann | 3B | Blake |
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| 1B | LaRoche |
1B | Loney | |
| SS | Escobar |
CF | Kemp | |
| RF | Church | C | Martin |
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| 2B | Johnson |
2B | Hudson | |
| P | Jurrjens |
P | Billingsley | |
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Elbert starting Sunday
didn’t see that one coming. Pleasantly surprised though.
BTW, Torre clearly hates Stults.
T.S.
The “T.S.” stands for “Totally Super.”
Anyone know how many times the Dodgers have been walked-off against this year?
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Elbert
I can’t tell you how nervous I am going to be when Elbert is pitching on Sunday. A first MLB start can be a disaster even for the very best pitching prospects, and my fear is that if Elbert lays an egg Torre is never going to trust him as a starter again
the good thing is he is facing a lineup filled with left handed batters.
he does well against leftys but not that well vs rightys
my hope is that he limits his walks
if he can do that he should have a decent 5 inning outing
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
will elbert only start on sunday
or will he continue to be the fifth starter… or we do not have that info yet
It's probably the former for now
I can’t imagine Torre is married to the idea of Elbert as the fifth starter at this point
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
1 pitch 1 out
Good start.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
7 pitches in the first inning.
All strikes. Looking good.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
In case anyone is interested, I updated the payroll worksheet with today’s roster moves. I hope I didn’t jinx Hudson by assuming he would get 4 plate appearances tonight.
Being careful with Ethier tonight.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Ethier, in the 9th inning or later this season, is hitting .366/.500/.683 with 4 doubles, 3 homers, 8 runs, and 13 RBI in 52 PA.
Has Ethier hit a walk-off in every walk-off situation possible?
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
He is saying every situation where Ethier could have hit a walk off; did he?
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
What I mean is has he come through with a walk-off hit in every at-bat that he’s had the chance to deliver a walk off?
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
See my answer below
on Monday he was a HBP
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually the answer is clearly no
He got hit by pitch by Hoffman which he could have hit a homerun and it would have been a walk off.
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I figured he hadn’t capitalized on all of them… just wondering how many chances he’s had to walk-off this season.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Ethier non walkoffs
Apr 15: tied 4-4, IBB with 1st & 3rd, 2 outs (obviously out of his hands)
May 10: tied 4-4, lineout with 2 outs
May 18: tied 2-2, groundout with 1st & 3rd, 2 outs
June 6: tied 2-2 in the 10th, single with 0 outs, man on 1st (Ethier walkoff HR in the 12th)
June 29: tied 2-2 in the 9th, leadoff double, tied 2-2, K with 2nd & 3rd, 2 outs (later walkoff HR in 13th)
July 25: tied 3-3, walk with 1st & 2nd, 2 outs
Monday: down 5-6, HBP to load bases, 2 outs
You're the man.
That’s a lot more chances than I remembered.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Totally did not see the Elbert thing happening
How many innings could they possibly expect from him after sitting the in bullpen the last few weeks?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The silver lining to that inning:
Jurrjens threw 28 pitches.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Nice.
Another 1-pitch out.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
I guess Atlanta really doesn't want to strike out as much against Billingsley
oh well, rolling over the first pitch works fine for me
Laroche must still be in Pirate mode.
Note on the same page as the rest of the Braves.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
At least the CG is still intact.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Except when it works, and he strikes batters out
but it’s easy to manage in hindsight
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It worked
the guy just didn’t swing. Did that curve look any different then the ones Atlanta was busy chasing all night last Sunday?
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Curve balls that don't work work are hangers
pitches that dive work—- it just requires batters to swing at them obviously
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't get why not
Didn’t Martin call the damn pitch? Shouldn’t he be ready for the ball to freaking curve? Why does he have no chance if it drops early?
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Man!
I hate when they go from 1st to 2nd on a wild pitch/passed ball and then score immediately thereafter. Come on!
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Haeger
Pulled from his game after only 4 innings and 61 pitches, and he had given up only 1 run. What’s going on?
Russell’s throwing voodoo works when he’s the guy running too!
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions
Nice hit by Hudson
were really working jair tonight
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions
Jurrens at 42 pitches through 1.1 innings.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
The O-Dog always has his pitcher's back.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
I called that steal in my mind
I shall now call for Miranda Kerr.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions
48 pitches for Jurrjens.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Quick in-game survey
Assuming the Dodgers hang on to win the west, which team would you like to see win the wild card?
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions
Wow.
And here I was all excited that Jurrjens was leading off.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
What just happened?
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
To defend Loney a little bit
Hudson called for the ball. And then turned his head when Loney tossed it to him
No don't. Throw fast balls down the middle!
Jesus Christ. Martin is a major league catcher. They are supposed to be able to block balls in the dirt
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You bitch when Martin can't block every breaking ball in the dirt.
That ball sinks way before it meets the plate.
These are good hitters
you can’t just eliminate one of your better pitches. It’s better to try and beat them and hope for the best with Martin; then to just throw fastball because you’re nervous about your catcher.
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Except his fastball is one of his better pitches too.
And I’m not asking him to just throw it down the middle, I’m asking him to mix it up with the breaking balls.
Great play by the O Dog
Loney your a bonehead
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 7:58 PM PDT reply actions
no that was a terrible flip by loney
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't see both angles at the same time
so I don’t know if Hudson turned his head while Loney flipped it or not. Not really why he was calling for the ball with his head turned though….
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Its an easy field for Hudson (by bending down with an outstretched glove) if he didn’t completely turn his head after calling for it.
Ya, it was weird looking
he had his glove out asking for it, with his head completely turned.
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Gameday showed that 2nd strike swinging to GA waaaaay out of the strike zone.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
boo gameday
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Aug 7, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Loney needs to teach Ethier how to flip those just behind the infield grass :)
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions
I think Manny comes back next year.
I doubt he’ll find a city of fans that will welcome him into the fold like Dodger fans have.
Dear James Loney.
Why do you have an inability to hit right handed pitching, when you are a left handed batter?
Oddity, from Braves beat writer Mark Bowman:
Russel Martin’s nine steals match the team-high total Nate McLouth has recorded in 53 games w/ the Braves.
the good news is that if we lose, espn won't tell anyone
Red Sox and Yankees are scoreless going into the 12th. That’s going to take the full hour of coverage on sportscenter
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions
of course you struck out
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Aug 7, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Aflac trivia question
It’s gotta be that Hammerin’ Henry guy, doesn’t it?
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions
who holds the record for consecutive seasons w/ 20+ HRs?
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
for those not watching Prime Ticket
it was indeed Mr. Aaron
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
its gotta be
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Aug 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
boo yah
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Aug 7, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Best active centerfielder in the game?
I’d say so!
Nicely said.
IMO, he’s head and shoulders above the rest.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Well, OK, I'll give Hunter his due.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Oh man,
If they can capitalize here and get Jurrjens out of the game before the fifth is over, the Atlanta bullpen is vulnerable in the middle of games and we can really take a large lead with Bills dealing.
From what I saw last night
I’d say their bullpen is vulnerable at the end of games too :)
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to mention that,
but I think the numbers would say the weaker portion is clearly in the middle. That soriano guy isn’t too bad, but apparently, neither is Ethier…
I'd much rather pay attention to your joke
than try to even touch Eric’s. Had to pick one though.
:/
I think he himself has been a bigger joke the past 12 months than everything you’ve thrown out today about him.
Not by much though…
deja vu all over again
double play scoring a run after the error at first
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
why is Bills swining?
in this game of mirrors, he was destined to draw a walk
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions
Casey better be doing oblique exercises right now too!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 7, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So how exactly did that DP occur?
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Nevermind...
I thought Martin had advanced to 2nd on the error.
"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver W. Holmes
Hudson hit past the pitchers right up the middle.
The problem was that it was hit so slowly that the 2nd baseman had ample time to just step on 2nd, and throw to first.
I was thinking about him Sunday night, sipping Brandy from a snifter, smiling contently in the bottom of the 5th :)
I thought about him too...
without the Brandy part though
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
St. Louis Hitters >>>>> Atlanta hitters minus a Chipper
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously he's no Ace
Ace’s never give up hits, walk or hit any batters.
And they are gritty. Can’t forget about the grit
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
perhaps they could turn on the sprinklers, so that Andre thinks the game could be called at any moment
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions
wow how the hell was that a ball?
the ump literally called it a strike
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe he didn’t throw Cox out…maybe he was calling another ball :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 7, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Was the plate ump indicating "take your base"?
Strike or not, just trying to figure out why of the odd call.
Looked good to me
too good to take, that’s for sure
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
except he wouldn’t have. Either it’s a walk and two are on, or it’s a strike and it’s a strike ’em out throw ’em out
I"ll go ahed and assume
Ethier in disgust would strike out. THrow ’em out strike ’em out delayed double play!
To be fair
Walk-or-no walk, he still threw 94 pitches in 4.1 pitches, it was only a matter of time for him.
I feel bad...this nice gift
and I didn’t get Eric Cooper anything.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions
This play could turn into a big MLB controversy
luckily the Yankees played the Red Sox tonight so nobody will hear about it
Jon Garland and Garret Anderson played at the same little league I did
Anderson was much older though
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes he is, lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Medlen
Where would the Clippers be without Sean Rooks?
It's time for Loney to get a night off
Unfortunately, Joe Torre still isn’t accepting my telegrams
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
Unfortunately his replacement is Mark Loretta
unless you move Blake to 1st and Abreu to third
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He was describing the pain in Koufax’s elbow in 1966, using his own left arm as a prop, showing how it couldn’t bend fully. Vin ended that story with, “oh by the way, HE WENT 27 AND 9 THAT YEAR!!…now let’s go back to this one.” :)
He gave up...... A HIT!!!!
the humanity
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
McCann is the only Braves hitter that scares me
I’d really prefer it 2 runners were not on when he hits
This is probably my favorite text message ever…from BHSportsGuy:
Jermaine Jackson is here and he brought his glove and caught a foul ball behind the Dodger dugout.
I'm going to assume Jermaine Jackson is a forgotten Jackson brother.
Like Tito, but even more useless.
my guess is that they didn’t want Elbert’s debut to be on the road against SF
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't baiting you...
in case you took it that way
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
mlbbowmanAfter he was pulled , Jurrjens yelled in Cooper’s direction and the plate umpire tossed him too.10 minutes ago from web
Dumb move by Jurrjens, but heat of battle and all, its understandable…I’m sure there is some sort of fine for getting ejection…probably $500 – $1,000
if you're watching the USA Network replay of the game
he told the ump, “FORGET you!” repeatedly.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, Yunel Esobar scares me more than McCann does.
He has the ability to get one of those dinky little hits.
Nice pitch
I hope we can see Sherrill in the 7th
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions
Bills behind every batter
i didnt realize he was at 78 pitches. . . but id prefer we trust our pen
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yanks and Sox in the 14th
On a per inning basis, some of tonight’s tickets were actually reasonably priced.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions
OK, over/under on number of Chad pitches in the 8th inning: 0.5
(he’s at 78 through 6)
Place your bets!
pulled the hammy picking up the rosin bag
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions
more silver linings
you’re jinxing powers are strong. use them for good.
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He went to the mound, bent over to get the rosin bag and straightened up immediately. He then took one warm up pitch and immediately headed to the dugout
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If so, they lied to us about it being a cramp
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Listening to the ABQ postgame right now…no mention of a reason for Haeger getting relieved…he pitched only 4 innings, allowing 1 run and threw just 61 pitches. Not sure of any alternate motive
Check the ABQ blog to see if anyone was speculating on how many pitches Haeger would throw in the 6th
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to guess Stults will get the call for Wednesday
Four lefties + Kuroda in the rotation for the time being.
2 run home run
Diaz almost hit another one right now but the Bison prevented it
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
appeal a bag
Church had to miss one of them…he couldn’t go 3 for 3
by insomniacslounge on Aug 7, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions
The results don't look right
does something about his mechanics not look right to you? I haven’t noticed anything…
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't look "not right"
But his stuff doesn’t look as electric as usual. As we come to expect from Kuo—probably just not a good idea to pitch him on back to back days.
Agreed
or as Bluetrek said, he was definitely rushed in getting warmed up
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows
I’m not sure why the one guy with the most injured arm is the one you choose to rush to get warmed up to pitch
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
the plan was to have kuo pitch the 7th which was the 7,8,9
and Sherrill face 1,2,3
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
well Kuo was facing 2 lefties . . . which im sure everyone had confidence in him getting out
I dont think Torre wanted Sherrill pitching 2 innings
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a joke
I was quoting Mike Tyson.
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
More likely headline
“Billingsley can’t go into the 7th again. The Dodgers have no Ace”
by Michael White on Aug 7, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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