Victor Garate Sent To Washington To Complete Belliard Trade
by Eric Stephen on Sep 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT
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PrintNationals Farm Authority brings us the news that Victor Garate has been named as the player sent to Washington to complete the trade for Ronnie Belliard. From the Nationals:
Garate has been one of the most effective relievers in the Double-A Southern League this season, posting a 2.04 ERA (12 ER/53.0 IP) and .191 (36-for-188) batting average against in 47 appearances with Chattanooga. His earned run average ranks eighth among Southern League pitchers (minimum 50.0 IP). Garate’s 56 strikeouts rank tied for ninth among full-time relievers in the circuit and his 9.51 strikeouts per 9.0 innings rank sixth (minimum 50.0 IP). He has stranded 17 of 21 inherited runners in ‘09.
The 24-year old Garate was ranked as the 20th-best Dodger prospect by both Kensai and Canuck Dodger, and 28th by Phil Gurnee in our True Blue LA midseason prospect report.
Pete McElroy of MASN also confirmed the trade, and passed along this quote from Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo:
"He's effective against left-handed and right-handed hitters," GM Mike Rizzo said during MASN2's game with the Padres this afternoon. "We seem him in the middle of the order."
Class A reliever Luis Garcia was also sent to Washington in the deal, as announced on Sunday.
This opens up a spot on the Dodgers' 40-man roster, presumably for one of Doug Mientkiewicz or Will Ohman, who are on the 60-day DL.
Thanks to Sam DC for the link.
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Two decent relief prospects for Belliard.
We should just sign Belliard to be the back up utility man. It’d make more sense than Loretta is anyway.
just throw away our farm system ned
just throw it all away..
Have to say I was hoping it was
Garate or Leach. So that opens up another spot on the 40.
I’m probably to big a fan of Belliard but sometimes you just like players and I’ve always liked Belliard.
All of the guys we lost in Waiver deals seem replacable
Except for Abreu, and even then we have DeWitt, or DeJesus.
hlelo
dejeus will not be ready by next year….
Why not?
After a year of winter ball he will regain the lost year. Many thought that before we signed Hudson he’d be competing for the 2nd base job. I could see a scenario where he might be ready next summer. He’s still our top position prospect with Bell traded and no one else stepping up. Gordon maybe, but until I see what he does in AA, he’s not passing DeJesus in my list.
Considering how Gordon develops, he might be ready after Furcal's contract ends
I’d say he’s on track if he reaches AAA by 2011, He’d still be 23.
Sounds about right
but he might even force the issue in 2011 if Rafy doesn’t get back on track. Next year will be interesting, can’t wait to see what he does when he leaves the pitching MWL and moves to the Southern League. I would not be surprised if he skips the Cal League ala Lambo.
I'm thinking long term here.
I’d be surprised if DeJesus is not the 2011 2nd baseman starter.
The only reason would be if he’s traded.
Not saying this makes it right, but I don’t think the organization ever counted on Abreu to be healthy all season anyway. I don’t think he would have taken over at 2B next year unless a number of things happened along the way.
Again, not saying I agree with that thinking, but it is there.
If Hudson isn’t back, DeWitt has the inside track at 2B in 2010, like it or not.
I don't think so
Ned will bring in some insurance, DeWitt didn’t do enough this year to be given the job over the winter. Might even be Belliard, he’ll be cheap enough.
Do you guys think
that there is no chance to resign Hudson?
by Ian Capilouto on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, there is a chance
But I wouldn’t take it. I’d settle for arbitration cash and high draft picks. The Abreu trade hurt, but I think we have people to fill in at 2nd, even if they aren’t elite at that position..
I'm surprised that Hudson...
hasn’t gotten a warmer a reception from Dodger fans. It’s been more like a LUKEwarm reception. I think especially after Kent, people would be thrilled about him. Hudson’s been awesome in the field, mostly very good at the plate (especially for a 2nd baseman), and is, to use a cliche that I normally run away from, a true gamer.
I would turn Manny or Wolf loose before Hudson, though I like all three of them. I just like Hudson more…
Depends on who the suitors might be
He had no suitors last year and the Mets have even less money this year then last year. He might simply accept arbitration and make sure he makes a few million. His final numbers will be no better then anything he’s done in the past and he’s another year older as a 2nd baseman. I can easily see him accepting arbitration in this economic environment.
The Nats almost signed him a year ago, and backed out after the physical.
Depending on how their own 2nd base prospects turn out, they might want to resign Hudson again.
It’ll be one of the better case scenarios, high supplemental pick, high 2nd rounder pick.
Good Point
He will have to make that decision if they make him a multi year offer. I just think the owners were giddy about what happened last winter and will not rush into signing plus 30 year old position players to long term deals in this environment.
He'll want more than 8 million a year, he'd want more than a one year deal.
The Dodgers can’t keep on signing veterans that block younger players anymore as the cost savings they got from Ethier/Kemp/Martin/Billingsley/Broxton/Loney will no longer exist.
does ned know this?
and if he does.. why does he keep signing guys like juan pierre and andruw jones and furcal?
Not absolving him, but Andruw Jones’s contract was to run off before arb raises kicked in for Kemp, Bills, et al. And Pierre was a disaster from the get go, but Ned (in all his wisdom) probably figured Pierre was the answer in the outfield meaning he wouldn’t have to worry about Kemp and Ethier getting arb raises.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
We can keep beating up Ned over those deals but in 2009, Ned is probably hands down the executive of the year with how he handled the 2009 deals.
Manny, Wolf, Hudson,Blake are why this team is where it is at. He played it perfectly each time, got his players even with his budget being slashed 20 million. Impressive feat as far as I’m concerned. Throw in the good work he did in sighing NRI’s this spring and the only real blemish is the contract for Mota but even Mota will probably earn the deal by the end of the year.
by meercatjohn on Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
but looking at it now
it looks like manny got the better deal..
Point is..
You and I both know Boras is the worst person to negotiate dealing with super stars. He didn’t get that contract he wanted, he got practically the same contract offered to Manny which was the first to be proposed.
I agree with you
And its personally humbling since I openly advocated against almost all of those deals (both here and on DT.) I did not like the
1) Manny signing (preffered signing Dunn and/or Burrell)
2) Wolf signing (didn’t hate it but I wanted Randy Johnson)
3) Hudson (again didn’t hate it, but got a little worked up with the draft pick loss)
4) Furcal (actually I still don’t really like the term or price here)
5) Milton or Mota
I didn’t really mind Blake, but after getting Blake I didn’t want to sign Hudson too.
Good thing I wasn’t the GM last summer.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Proud to say I liked all the deals except for Mota
It’s okay though, I make enough mistakes everywhere else to more than make up for it. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ned has argued that in 2007 he didn’t want to “give” a starting OF spot to either Kemp or Ethier, that both players needed to be “pushed” to succeed. On some level, that’s probably true, not that I agree with all of it.
But what's the point to give Gonzo $7.5 million?
There’s competition, and then there’s forcing yourself in a corner.
let's leave the "cost savings" to Frank & Ned!
Seriously, though, out of the 6 of those guys, I’d only lock up Ethier and Kemp at the end of the season (close call on Bills and Brox, but not yet). The other 4 are good right now, but I don’t think another year would hurt in seeing if they can grow a bit more as players. Besides, after next year, Manny and Hiroki probably won’t be resigned (especially if Elbert and/or MacDonald pan out), so that’s some more cash right there.
Also, in this economy- which, I’m sorry to say is NOT going to noticeably better than last year’s off season, if at all- I doubt he’ll find someone willing to pay him that much. The Mets, Yankees, Cubs, and a few other suspects have their plates full right now, so I think/hope the chances of getting O-Dog back are good.
In the last thirteen months:
Santana, Meloan, Morris, LaRoche, Watt, Steve Johnson, Josh Bell, Luis Garcia, Victor Garate, Tony Abreu.
Anyone I’m missing.
Players I expect we will look back and say damn:
Santana, Bell, and Abreu
2 years ago
It would have been Andy LaRoche, who still put up better numbers over his entire minor league career than any of those guys.
But then if
MLE’s were really accurate Joel Guzman would have had a .500% at the age of 19 in the major leagues:)
Yup
but then Cody Ross turned out to be the guy who really has put up great numbers and his MLE’s were not close to Andy’s.
In terms of prospects, he was the best that has been traded so far. But also netted the biggest return.
Wasn't Santana valued higher at the time?
He certainly was after last season. Santana would have been the #1 Dodger prospect this year.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
but last year...
didnt people think his numbers were inflated cause of the cal league… and at 22 years old./…
Yes, you are probably correct.
I can’t recall really. But I’m fairly confident most would have ranked Santana #1 coming into this season.
by Michael White on Sep 2, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
no lambo had just went to AA and was killing the league last year...
we didnt know santana was this good until we traded him to the indians and he went to AA and kept on killing the minors..
he was 22 in the cal league tho...
22 plus a+ ball and out of nowhere success usually means Fluke..
Except the success was not out of nowhere
his struggles in the MWL in April/May were the fluke. Then again I’ve written enough about Santana to write a book. I’m not about to do it again since he’s no longer on this team.
Santana has his own problems in the Indians farm system.
The Indians traded for Lou Marson in the Cliff Lee deal. There must be pressure in Cleveland to play the guy in the more publicized deal.
Then again, this is an organization that wouldn’t give PAs to Matt LaPorta for most of the year.
His bat seems way ahead of his
catching skills since he was just converted in 2007. Either way he’ll find a why to get his bat in the lineup. If Marson works out he could simply move to 3rd or the Outfield. The reports I’ve seen some to think of Marson as a backup but we shall see.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Sep 2, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
At the time Santana was traded?
I remember most of the praise for Santana happening around Aug./Sept
At the time he was traded, or at the start of the season? Maybe it was a toss-up, but LaRoche was certainly better known.
LaRoche
was surely higher rated at the time of the deal but was he even a prospect by then? Between 2007/2008 he had over 150 plate appearances for the Dodgers, he was no longer a rookie.
maybe, maybe not
Still WAY too early to say. You also have to look at what the Dodgers have gotten for those guys. Blake and Sherrill, at least, are solid major league players. Remember that some people were willing to trade ESTABLISHED players on the team THIS YEAR for the likes of Lee, Halladay, and a few others. I don’t like seeing prospects go, but all in all, I don’t blame Ned at all, given how many people are expecting this to be “the year”.
(For the record, I think that the Garland thing may have been overkill, but I suppose we’ll see…)
MLB baseball double Header??
on espn? at 4 to 7 its the rays vs the red sox then at 7 to 10 its dodgers against the dbacks? ive never seen regular season double headers on espn before…
i just got terrible news, i was going out to a pub with a bunch of LA friends for the game tonight here and Dallas
but found out we have a mandatory fraternity meeting at 11 central, thats 2 hours after the game starts here!! : (
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
mandatory and fraternity
do those words even go together?
by MammothDodger on Sep 2, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
not until we were put on probation for a semester lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
WOW- seriously?!
You KNOW someone’s gonna get fired for that- they’re going to have Favre/Vick/Poker withdrawal over there for sticking with baseball for that long! :))
im not a farm expert like some
but Garate as the ptbnl doesnt bother all that much, to echo the thoughts of many, the loss of Abreu is the one that gets to me
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Garate
Still seems like too much to give up for 2 months of Belliard, but maybe that’s just me. Garcia I had no problem losing (and again, I like having Belliard on the bench). And I know Garate’s not a top, top prospect, but he seemed like a pretty good guy for the Nats to get in this one.
But I assume it’s the fact that he’s 24 and in low A the reason he’s not more highly ranked?
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
I think it’s more a case of Garate being relatively easy to replace. Abreu is a lot harder to replace which is why it stings more to lose him.
Gotta give up something to replace something
I’m fine with giving up easily replaceable / marginal relief prospects to ensure Belliard plays over Loretta and possibly takes his postseason spot.
I lost interest when we moved him to short relief. When we claimed him from the Astro’s we put him in the rotation with great success. Anyone with a left handed arm should be able to get minor league LHH out.
Right
which is why I don’t understand why he was taken out of the rotation. Now if the Nationals turn him back into a starter and he finds success then hats off to them, but he wasn’t going to get that chance here.
Lol
Lefties always make righties jealous…
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Garland in 2010?
Should we consider picking up his option? 10 mil for a guaranteed 200+ innings of probably average pitching?
Xeifrank
was his big supporter in the off season. $10 Mill seems high to me but it would depend on what Wolf wants. I’d rather have Wolf, don’t want both, we will need that money for other things.
I’m fine with either Wolf or Garland but not both. Garland at $10M is close to what he’s worth. Good thing about it, is that it’s only for one year, where if you sign Wolf, it’s probably going to be for three years and also at a “fair” price.
I would imagine the “other things” would be…
1) Second baseman (if we don’t go “in house”)
2) Arbitration salary increases (who is eligible?)
We seem set everywhere else as far as big ticket prices go. New GM? :)
vr, Xei
I'm sure it's been touched on in the fanposts
But Neyer’s response (basically calling Plaschke an idiot) is pretty solid.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-5-8/Dodgers-still-missing-key-ingredient-.html
Wow, someone from ESPN actually sticking up for us. I love this:
Cole Hamels is little (if any) better than the Dodgers’ best starters. Matt Cain is little better (if any) than the Dodgers’ best starters. The Rockies’ best starters are no better than the Dodgers’ best starters. The Braves’ best starters are no better than the Dodgers’ best starters.
’Bout time somebody mentioned this.
You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.
SYNTAX ERROR...does not compute...does not compute...
ESPN, not just complimenting but DEFENDING the Dodgers? Unbelievable! Guess we gotta give credit where it’s due…
Some Marlin Discord
Apparently Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla got into a shouting match before the Marlins game, and the clubhouse was closed to reporters. Hanley has now been scratched from tonight’s lineup.
Twitter updates:
http://twitter.com/clarkspencer
http://twitter.com/joecapMARLINS
The issue was over Hanley’s tight hamstring and Uggla’s jealousy:
About an hour earlier, Ramirez said his tight left hamstring is still sore but he wanted to play tonight because he doesn’t want to lose the respect of his teammates. He was scratched from the starting lineup a few minutes ago.
“I can’t explain myself now. I feel but I’ve got to be in there. I have to I feel like I’ve got to do it because it’s not the same, you don’t get the same respect from your teammates when you’re not playing. And I got people upset when I came out of the game last night but I try to do the best I can.”
After Ramirez made those remarks, he got in a shouting match with Uggla, who accused Ramirez of not caring because he’s already has a $70 million contract.
What kind of offers
do you think other teams will be willing to make to Hudson? 2-3 year deal at 8 million?
What teams are looking for a 2B and have the cash to pay that kind of money? Mets come to mind but don’t they have Castillo for another year? Hudson is definitely the best FA 2B available, with the possible exception of DeRosa, who is 3 years older…
Yeah
I was trying to think of teams who would be in the market for Hudson. Giants?
by Ian Capilouto on Sep 2, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
would the giants give up their first round pick ?
i doubt it… they care a lot of the draft and homegrown talent….
They will likely just pick up Sanchez's option.
But Sebean is the one who intentionally signed a middling 2nd baseman just so he wouldn’t have a first rounder one year.
Yep
He’ll be the Giants second baseman next year, I’m about 95% sure on that.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see many options for him
as I said before I would be surprised if we offer him arbitration and he accepts. The Mets are seriously short of funds if they cutting back their instructional league.
wow all of their games will be that early? is that so everyone in San Diego can go home and watch the Dodgers play later lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Are
the 3:35 games in lieu of the weekly 1:00 PM Wednesday day game? If it is, maybe they are onto something. Other than for flyaway reasons, I see no economic reason to schedule a day game during the week.
by Ian Capilouto on Sep 2, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
3:35 is better than 1:00 PM,
But they might as well just make it a night game. If they are trying to accomodate get-away days, 3:35 seems a decent compromise. Did the Padres state why they are doing this?
by Ian Capilouto on Sep 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
i would like it much more
then hudson by himself for 30 mill with that glass wrist and declining D and O
When
Belliard was acquired, it made me think that maybe Ned was thinking ahead towards a platoon situation with Dewitt and Belliard. That might be stretching it a bit, but it crossed my mind. What is Belliard’s market in free agency? What might be the defense drop off between Hudson and a platoon of Dewitt/Belliard?
mlbtraderumorsElias update: Eddie Bajek told me that Jim Thome dropped from Type A in the AL to no type in the NL.10 minutes ago from web
Even the White Sox
were not going to offer him arbitration.
I’m saying right now that 2009/2010 is going to be more of the same of 2009 but with owners knowing from the get go they can save some money. We thought Burrell was a great deal and then he stunk up the place.
speaking of early signings this offseason, here are the last 54 games for Raul Ibañez:
.215/.297/.410, 8 HR
Good
He deserves to be criticized after the praise he got because Ibanez was so legit the first month.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it's a pipe dream but,
with the American economy cratering, I hope that one good thing that comes out of it is somehow, some way, player contracts will be tied much more closely to performance, so that underperformers don’t rake in tens of millions when they start out good, but eventually go bust (Pedro Martinez, NY Mets, etc.)- or for that matter, players that just bust, period (too easy)! As if that’s not crazy enough, I also hope that it can happen without a strike…
Edgar Renteria ss
2 years/$18.5M (2009-10), plus 2011 club option* 2 years/$18.5M (2009-10), plus 2011 club option
o signed by San Francisco as a free agent 12/4/08
o $2M signing bonus
o 09:$7M, 10:$9M, 11:$10.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
Early Dec. is not early, I think. By the time, everyone knew prices were going down. For instance, the Tigers declined arbitration on Renteria despite him being a type-A
But that is early
That was before Furcal signed, before CC signed, before Tex signed, before Burrell signed, etc.
In fact, Renteria signed before Burrell did.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
who cares
6 years of a potentially useful reliever for a piece of shit
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 2, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
ask ned
he loves to do this stuff… 6 years for 1 month stuff..
i have a profile of him at my site
too lazy to find it right now :o
by Chad Moriyama on Sep 3, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Alright, quiz time!
Who knows the answer to this question?
No, I gave up
But if you know that would be great. Please explain.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Its been a long time but here goes. x raised to the power of (4b+1)-(2-b), which is x raised to the power of (4b+1-2+b), which is x raised to the power of (5b-1)
And that's the right answer!
Thanks a ton.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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