Watching the Road (Loney) Turn
It’s no secret that there is a Tale of Two Loneys: Road Loney and Home Loney. In his career, Loney has hit .270/.335/.378 at home and .323/.379/.532 on the road. We can speculate why he has had so much success on the road. Maybe the dimensions of Dodger Stadium don’t suit his approach. Maybe he doesn’t see as well at Dodger Stadium. Maybe there are too many off-the-field distractions in LA. So I set out to look at some batted ball data to see whether we could pinpoint what his problems might be at home.
Before we look at those plate appearances where the ball is put into play, it’s worth seeing if he has more difficulty making contact at home. In 2009, Loney has struck out in 11.0% of his home plate appearances, compared to 8.8% of his road PAs. His career K/PA is still higher at home, but not as extreme as this year (12.1% home vs 11.1% road). So it seems that he has slightly more trouble making contact at home.
From his splits mentioned above, it’s clear that he doesn’t have the same power at home as he does on the road. One of the questions I wanted to answer was whether he hit more doubles at home that might have turned into home runs on the road. Below is a distribution of his hits for 2009 (through September 23).
|
Split |
Single |
Double |
Triple |
Home Run |
|
Away |
70.8% |
15.7% |
0.0% |
13.5% |
|
Home |
79.4% |
16.2% |
2.9% |
1.5% |
If some would-be-homeruns were turning into doubles at home, we would expect to see more of his home hits being doubles. We don’t see that here. In fact, instead of hitting home runs at Dodger Stadium, Home Loney hits singles. From this data, it doesn’t look like the park is turning homers into doubles. It appears that he just doesn’t have the same power at Chavez Ravine. If only he could raise his homer per hit rate at home to match his road rate, we’d be looking at a very nice hitter. With 170 hits and 13.5% of them being homeruns, we would expect 23 homers per year. I would happily take that.
Since it is clear that his slugging at home is not a result of bad luck due to the park allowing fewer bases per hit, I wanted to look at his outs to see if he is just hitting into bad luck. From the Gameday hitchart data, here is the distribution of his in play outs:
|
Split |
Flyout |
Groundout |
Lineout |
Pop Out |
|
Away |
33.8% |
51.6% |
7.6% |
7.0% |
|
Home |
28.1% |
50.9% |
7.2% |
13.8% |
Yikes! He has twice the rate of popouts at Dodger Stadium than on the road. The popouts are essentially taking away from his flyballs as his other rates hold steady. My first thought here is that maybe the Dodger Stadium Gameday stringer was coding some flyouts as popouts. But looking at the x-y coordinates, Loney’s popouts tend to travel a shorter distance at home on average (about 105 feet at home vs 125 feet on the road). Of course, the fewer fly balls the less chance of homeruns and the more popouts the less chance of getting any hit.
Furthermore, while his popouts both at home and on the road tend to go to the left side, his home popouts average about 25-30 feet closer to 3rd base. It seems that he’s slower getting around on pitches at home and when he does make contact, he pops out. Plus his flyballs at home travel about 5 fewer feet than his road flyballs. This is a big problem and indicates that he is not making good contact at home.
I don’t know if there is a mechanical difference in his swing at home or if he is just not seeing the ball well, but the batted ball data shows that Loney is not a victim of Dodger Stadium and has not been unlucky at home. He has real issues in making good contact at Chavez Ravine. A number of commenters have suggested it before and after looking at the batted ball data, I agree: solving Loney’s contact issues at home should be a top priority of Dodger management. If his home batted ball types resembled those on the road at all, he would be a tremendous asset.
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…a good while ago that I think Loney just doesn’t see the ball well at Dodger Stadium. I have seen so many of his swings at DS look very tentative compared to how his swings look in road games. I speculated that there might be something different about the batter’s eye at DS. A short time ago somebody pointed out that while the batter’s eye at most stadiums is green, the one at DS is black. Could that be the problem for Loney? And if so, why don’t other players have a problem with seeing a white ball against a black background?
by CanuckDodger on Sep 25, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Loney adopts a strategy at home of trying to hit line drives or go the other way, while trying to pull the ball on the road. I’m not sure if that is the case or not, or why he would do it, but its just a thought.
Very nice presentation of facts, Sam.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have that data and created some splits spray charts
I don’t have it on hand, but I think more of his home outs and hits were hit the other way. It could be he’s changing his approach or maybe he’s not catching up to the pitch.
Or maybe he’s unsuccessfully trying to get the folks in Mannywood some souvenirs…
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Loney can't hit at DS for whatever reason, he should be moved then.
I like Loney but some things has to happen, either him figuring out DS, or the Dodgers trading him.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Dodgers don't win the World Series, candidates to be moved in the offseason for one more run with Manny
1) Loney
2) James McDonald- as I’ve said before, some team executive will love his velocity and convert him to a closer.
3) George Sherril.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loney will be cheap enough for one more year that he will not be traded. The only upgrade would be Fielder and we are not going to pay him. Besides, it will be a moot point when Loney becomes the MVP of the World Series as he makes Yankee Stadium his own.
Given the holes in the rotation after we lose Wolf this year and Kuroda the year after I’d be surprised if they did not keep McDonald around for another go round with the rotation.
2010 – Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda,
Then McDonald, Haeger, Elbert so they have a lot of work to do this offseason in adding depth to the rotation.
Sherrill will be interesting, he’s going to be expensive but with the health history of Kuo I think you have to keep him. Our dynamite bullpen is why we are where we are.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money Money Money
with schmidt, jones, hudson, and wolf off of the roster we’re saving upwards of $40 million next year. obviously we need to figure out a 2B option (hoping they don’t blow it all on Uggla) as well as save some money for all the young guys but there should be a bit of money to spend on somebody like Webb or even to work out a decent trade for Halladay.
by bearface on Sep 25, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones is not off the payroll, he’s just deferred and the arbitration raises for the kids should eat up a good portion of that difference. Plenty of free agents available, I just don’t think they will trade a cheap major league asset like McDonald.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schimdt also has bonus money coming until 2011.
Manny’s deffered contract will also limit the Dodgers spending for a long while. Really, the 2009 Dodgers will be the 2012 Dodgers by and large out of necessity, not by choice.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still paying AJones next year. His deal was restructured to be paid out over 4 (?) years.
Wolf will likely be replaced with a similarly priced PVL. Hudson and Schmidt do save money, but don’t forget the arb raises for Ethier, Broxton, Sherril and first time arbitration for Kemp and Billingsley (there may be more I’m forgetting.)
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we had a website somehow, somewhere that would track the Dodger payroll for the next couple of years…
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should front page that every once in a while
for all the newcomers and the oldies who forget.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, the 2010 payroll is roughly estimated at $92 million and that is without a 2B or SP to fill the Hudson/Wolf slots (that is not to say the team will necessarily need to spend money to fill those spots, but it is likely they will do so).
The 2009 payroll is roughly $107.6 million right now (with a few more incentives to hit).
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
laying it on pretty thick
i don’t see one on here, and as you can probably tell i don’t always have time to research stuff – i forgot jones was deferred, otherwise i was pretty spot on no?
by bearface on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The savings just isn’t that much. There’s deferred money and arbitration raises that offset any of the expiring contracts.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say “…most of the expiring contracts”
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, that Schmidt money gets sucked up pretty quickly with arb rewards to Ethier, Bills, Kemp, Kuo, Sherril, Broxton, Martin and Loney.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric does the research for you
just click on the link he provided right above your comment.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moves I was thinking about with Loney are moving him for Fielder or Dunn. Both Fielder and Dunn have one year left on their deal and would love to get a cheap James Loney to fill that spot, especially if they aren’t as concerned as we are about his lack of power. Will money be the problem with Frank? Possibly. But Fielder costs about as much as Jason Schmidt does and its only for one more year (I’m going off memory so I may be wrong in my assumptions.) I would hope that if the Dodgers don’t win the WS this year, he’d panic into making a trade like this which would be expensive, but not long term expensive. Dunn will probably never happen because the Dodgers front office simply doesn’t value Dunn at all and he could have been added last season anyway. Fielder would please me.
If the Dodgers still see JMac as a starter (which I have no reason to believe they don’t) then I definitely agree that he won’t be moved.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is not an option other then in the minds of posters.
If Ned was interested he’d have signed him on the cheap last winter. Sure Fielder only cost so much next year but you are not going to trade Loney for a one year rental. That makes no sense.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do it for a one year rental, but hey that’s easy for me to say it’s not my money. I don’t think Loney is a long term option at first base anyway so the only difference (in my mind) is next years cheap salary of Loney and the expensive salary of Fielder.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going all in, in terms of prospects, I rather do it for Joey Votto
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really high on Votto
but I don’t see any reason why Cincinnati would move him. Fielder is easy. One year left on deal, so either flip him now or go for it one last time with Fielder and Braun and let the draft picks come in when he walks. But with Votto, I’m pretty sure he’s under club control for a few more years yet…
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder has two years left.
The Brewers decided to leave the last year unsigned, but he still has arbitration for 2011.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, its 2 years. I didn’t realize that. My mistake. That does change the equation a bit.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very expensive arbitration
As much as I like Votto I’m staying away from a guy who suffered from depression. That can come back anytime.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the team considers Billingsley a vet now so that will assuage some of the knee jerk
“We gotta have another veteran starter in the rotation” that we seen over the years. Maybe they keep Lindblom in as a starter, since the next closest is Chris Withrow, and his ETA is June/July 2011 barring a Sept. callup.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since the next closest is Chris Withrow, and his ETA is June/July 2011 barring a Sept. callup.
Nope, July/August – NEXT YEAR.
by silverwidow on Sep 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much would you like to bet that Withrow will throw a major league pitch in 2010?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carefull Eric
Toronto would count as a major league pitch
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct me if i'm wrong (some of you will jump at it)
but if you play half of your games on the road, and you’ve got other guys who’s production goes down away from home, then this actually works to the team’s advantage to have a guy do better on the road. no?
obviously you’d rather seen him do equally as well at home – but at least he’s hitting .323 in games where the rest of the team is struggling a bit.
by bearface on Sep 25, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's his pitches / at bat rate like at home vs. away?
He may just not be as patient at home as on the road.
by Dodger Dude on Sep 25, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this must be one of the biggest road biases in mlb history
obviously, it’s something mental involving LA, though James’ personal life is his business, not ours.
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Petco
has a few just like it.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be curious to see the #s
gonzo has 27/39 homers on the road, and is .27 better BA
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know it is mental?
And if his personal life affects his play (not saying it does), it absolutely is the Dodgers’ business.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Headly – .667 OPS at home, .803 on the road
Adrian -.792 OPS at home, 930 on the road
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
almost the exact same spread
interesting
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petco
is historically one of the toughest offensive environments in baseball. How they are ever going to attact free agent hitters in the future is going to be a test for that franchise once Brian Giles career comes to an end if it hasn’t already.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are likely due to the Park suppressing hits
For Loney, it looks like he actually has a problem making contact at home. It would be interesting to do a similar analysis as I did for A-Gon.
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Kemp
2009:
.286/.328/.484 home
.325/.393/.534 away
career:
.296/.336/.499 home
.308/.361/.475 away
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind that DS for the last two years has been a large pitcher's park.
one year 2006: one-year: Batting – 103, Pitching – 102
one year 2007: one-year: Batting – 105, Pitching – 104
one year 2008: one-year: Batting – 95, Pitching – 94
one year 2009: one-year: Batting – 95, Pitching – 94
Something happened to DS to turn it from a hitters park to a pitchers park in 2008.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember after the got rid of the foul territory
it looked like we were moving toward a hitters park, now it is reversing back to a pitchers park. Weather has to be playing a role in this.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also better pitchers.
The 2008/2009 Pitching staff is loads better than the 2007/2006 staff.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the websites should be equalizing for this in their “park factors.”
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t the pitchers also pitch on the road?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t the fluctuations in one-year park factors just weird in general, which is why B-R uses 3-year PF whenever possible?
Here are the multi-year PF of Dodger Stadium:
2009: 100/99
2008: 100/99
2007: 104/103
2006: 101/100
2005: 98/97
2004: 95/95
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
multi year PF seems to be whacky in general as well.
Only reason why 2009 seems neutral because 2007 was a high offensive year.
by Tripon on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the union backing down on testing?
not to imply that the D’s were more or less roided, the young crew actually seems pretty clean
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the kind of fanpost
that needs to get recommended. Over the last few weeks some of you have really stepped it up and written front page worthy fanposts.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I added a picture of the best Road Loney moment ever for this post, above.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
if he ever has a better road moment, it will have to be very special.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.truebluela.com/2008/10/2/626760/same-beginning-different-e
Once comment last year. I wonder how many it would get this year.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Comer
I am a total newcomer to this site. i’m not a huge message board guy, and the only commenting i’ve done int he past has been on ESPN boards, but I got sick of having to explain to people that LA was more than fake boobs and ferraris, and that there are reasons why people are late to dodger games.
by bearface on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In every Ferrai is someone
trying to get laid by someone with fake boobs.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at a Laker game last year
and a Black Ferrari pulled up along side a Red Ferrari during a red light and they proceeded to rev the engines during the whole light right in front of the Cops and fans. Then they peeled out, it was such a LA moment.
We are late to games because we actually have 45,000 fans going to the games trying to wiggle there way into a stadium where everyone has to arrive by car. When you are a Pirate fan and only have to fight 15,000 fans, you probably don’t understand the logistics of working in Santa Monica, driving home to Van Nuys, then picking up your kids and trying to get to the 07:10 on time.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that they put all this $$$ into the gold line
in the past decade, and did nothing to expedite the kind of shuttle folks use is really a disgrace, on the city, county, metro and the Dodgers
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger Stadium is on top of a mountain. Rail is not getting up there. The shuttle wasn’t exactly a success.
Now for my always unpopular position whenever this is brought up. The Dodgers should build a new Stadium near Exposition Park.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're rebuilding out the old exposition line to santa monica right now AFAIK
which should be easy, the old rails are largely intact from the line from the 60s.
of course, it will be a jolly trolley in a residential area, not a real subway.
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are indeed. Phase 1 of the Expo line runs from 7th Street and Figuroa (Metro Center) to Culver City. Phase 2 is Culver City to the beach. And yes, this is one of the reasons why I choose the location I did.
And whilst it won’t be a subway it won’t be a trolley either. It’ll be like the Gold line which still has a higher capacity than buses, is faster than buses, and will get a designed right of way. It won’t be grade separated like a subway so it won’t travel as fast, but it will be good enough for me. It’s not like it’s going to be the resurrection of the old red cars, it will be much more efficient.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is still frustrating
to know that the purple line is MUCH faster. also, I believe the old expo line didn’t even get as far west as Lincoln, which is beyond stupid. the half-assed nature of the grid – no extension of the purple line to westwood, the fact that the blue line stops well shy of the water and only goes to hardcore south central, the way the LAX stop still makes you use a cab or bus – is incredibly frustrating. there’s also no excuse not to have made the red line go all the way out to Ventura or at least have done a better job intergrating with the rail line out there.
by stillnotah8er on Sep 25, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with absolutely every point.
If youre an optimist, I know there are plans to extend the purple line all the way to Santa Monica too and create a spur off the red line which will go through Westwood and meet up with the Purple Line en route to the ocean. This would be perfect frankly as it would hit almost all the commercial centers on the West Side (Century City, UCLA, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills) and through the densely populated neighborhoods of Koreatown, Larchmont Village, et al.
I don’t know much about the Blue Line as Long Beach is a pretty far ways out of my neighborhood. The Green Line not going all the way to LAX is complete madness, but I’m hopeful that will one day be remidied. Where we’ll come up short is the Red Line. I don’t see that one happening any time soon as the Valley keeps getting force fed that Orange Line (bus on wheels my ass) which will soon be extended all the way to Chatsworth. I don’t see them tunneling under Ventura Blvd. anytime soon, and the Orange line should be a light rail line anyway….
I am frustrated too.
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, none of those things help us hapless commuters who climb the Sepulveda Pass every day.
by David Young on Sep 25, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure doesn't
I’ve seen some “pie in the sky” plans for a rail line which would initially be a route from Van Nuys to Westwood (where it would hopefully connect to the lines I mentioned above) and then would eventually be extended southbound to LAX and northbound to Sylmar.
I think that’s on MTA’s 50 year plan…
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing to do is find a job close to home
I guess I should be 10000 times thankful I commute 5 miles on city streets from WH to Chatsworth.
by meercatjohn on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife has that nice, short commute, in her case Porter Ranch to Mission Hills
I am, however, inextricably married to my retirement plan. I started here in 1983, back when this industry had nice pension plans, so mine is too good to give up.
The Prius in the 405 carpool lane is a help though.
by David Young on Sep 25, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like my 1+ mile commute across Mammoth Lakes
While looking up at the Sierra Nevada ;-)
by MammothDodger on Sep 25, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is sweet. Outside possibility I will be enjoying Mammoth at Thanksgiving this year.
by David Young on Sep 25, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We blew it 46 years ago
when we didn’t do a monorail for $105,275,000, “plus any applicable sales tax.” that would have had this configuration: 
I can’t imagine the nightmares avoided if I’m able to go from Van Nuys to downtown on a MONORAIL starting soon after 1963. Why is no one in LA smart?
by Seanny Rotten on Sep 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s the main website, http://www.monorails.org/tmspages/LA1963.html
by Seanny Rotten on Sep 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. You can find out because
2. It is.
by David Young on Sep 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP
I didn’t see any mention of BABIP for the 09 season. BRef tells me that his BABIP on the road this year is .318 and at home .284. A .034 difference is fairly significant, but nothing that you would expect to see every once in a while based off of randomness.
Nothing looks to out of whack (home vs road) for the 2009 season except the HRs, and they look very out of whack. Would be interesting to see how many of his HRs on the road would’ve been HRs at home and how many of his deep fly outs would’ve been HRs on the road using the HR Tracker. I believe someone mentioned that most of Loney’s HRs on the road this year were in hitters parks.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Sep 25, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Our fan poster actually commented on that in a thread a few weeks ago
I’m skeptical of the road power
5 of his 11 homers are "Just Enough" types, meaning he’s not exactly crushing the ball on the road. Also, the average distance of his homers adjusted for weather, wind, and altitude is 381 feet. The NL average is 397 feet.
It’s also possible that his homerun location in the road parks might not be homers at DS.
http://hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2009_1055&type=hitter
by Sam PHL on Sep 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by mwhite06 on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep - that's why I wanted to dig deeper
I still think he might not have a ton of natural power, but the batted ball data made me think that there’s a real difference in the contact he gets at home.
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More popups and fewer home runs hurt the BABIP
So it’s kind of a chicken or the egg argument here.
He had a similar BABIP difference in 2008 too: .328 at home and .302 on the road
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reverse that
I meant .302 at home and .328 on the road
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Also should have left off the part about homers
More homers tend to decrease BABIP. But the popups definitely hurt. Too much multi-tasking…
by Sam PHL on Sep 25, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Since triples are mostly doubles that got lucky
Would it be valid to combine them together for the purposes of this study? That would yield this:
Split Single 2B/3B Home Run
Away 70.8% 15.7% 13.5%
Home 79.4% 19.1% 1.5%
Maybe 3.4% difference is still just noise.
Nice fanpost Sam PHL.
by David Young on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ryan dempster vs james loney in game 1 of the 2008 NLDS
gosh what a great moment!!
"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box
by shaqfor3 on Sep 25, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just in general
I cringe when anyone either talks about trading ANY of the kids to “win now”, or talks about how the Dodgers can’t sign all of them, due to financial issues. I say bollocks to that! As long as the McCourts, Colletti- and the fans, for that matter- stop with this, “If we just had {fill in the blank}, we’d be the best” talk, once and for all, their is plenty of money to go around for everyone. Besides, how often has that strategy worked? Ok, there was Manny, but he basically fell from the sky, and it was pretty apparent that Andy LaRoche probably would never be what he was made out to be- at least, not in LA. Ethier and Kemp obviously, but also Billingsley, Kershaw, Loney, Martin and Broxton, even with their occasional or even more-than-occasional struggles, have already SHOWN what they can do at the major league level. (Next year, I hope that DeWitt, MacDonald and Elbert join that group, too.) If another team would seemingly give up something of equal or greater value, it’s only because they know something that we don’t. This is a great group of young players- quite possibly even more so than what the Yankees produced in the mid 90’s- and I hope they’ll be the heart of this team for years to come.
Loney’s only 25 (or is it 24?), and whatever issues he has at Dodger Stadium, puzzling and frustrating as it is, there’s plenty of time for the coaching staff to work it out with him.
by sarcastro9 on Sep 26, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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