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The Loons had a very exciting season getting to the post season for the first time ever, and with some Jamie Pedroza theatrics almost made it to the final round.

Dee Gordon and Kyle Russell shared the MidWestLeague MVP trophy, Aaron Miller  wowed scouts and fans, Martin/Eovaldi were an interesting tag team, Delmonico tries to follow in the footsteps of Russell Martin and Carlos Santana, Guerra/St Clair closed games with aplomb, and Jon Michael Redding led all of the minor leagues in wins.

Best Hitter: Dee Gordon led the league in stolen bases with 73 which was 23 more then his closest competitor, batted .301 and was considered by many to be the most exciting player in the minor leagues. However Kyle Russell led the league in home runs (26), runs batted in (102), slug%(.545), 2nd in  OPS (.951), 3rd in wOBA (.385) and I would have a hard time saying that Kyle Russell was not the best hitter on the team.

Best Pitcher: This would have been a hard call on August 1st but luckily the Dodgers promoted Aaron Miller and he proceeded to put to bed any thoughts that he was a project.  In seven reguar season starts he pitched 30 innings, gave up only 22 hits, walked 10, and struck out 38.

. My questions are in bold and Hugh's answers are in italic and my additions are in brackets. Many thanks to Hugh for taking his free time to answer my questions. If you have any additional questions, put them in the comments and I'll see if Hugh can answer them.

Star-divide

 

Phil,
Here are my comments and opinions, so take them for what they are worth.


1st Base - Gerald Sands really struggled during his first stay with the Loons. He played CF for the Rookie League Ogden Raptors where he destroyed the league but when he was promoted to the Loons he played mostly first base. Once back up he showed off his power. Can he play center field or is he destined to play 1st base or a corner outfielder? Have you heard any talk from the scouts or coaches about him?

Jerry Sands is an outfielder, but when he returned to the Loons, they had lost Austin Gallagher and Tony Delmonico to injuries, so he was pushed into the infield, where he did a decent job. He has a great arm. When the Loons began the season with Silverio in left, Sands in center and Russell in right, few teams got away with taking an extra base. All three can throw. He is a very good center fielder at this level. Could he end up at one of the corner positions in the future? Sure. But his move to first base was not a commentary on his outfield defense. His numbers when he returned were impressive. He was third on the team on OPS. I can see Sands returning to Great Lakes to start next season, and he will be in center field, but he may not stay in Midland for long.

[Jerry Sands is an intriguing prospect. He's a big man 6'4 who just turned 22 today and has some real power. While his numbers in Ogden were inflated he continued to show off his power when promoted to the MidWestLeague with an Aug Slug% of .560. He kept his walk rate at 12.2 and while his K rate finished at 26% most of that damage came in April when he struggled. His final season wOBA was .370 which if he had qualified would have put him into the top 10 for the league. ]



2nd Base - Jamie Pedroza - Had some clutch home runs in the play offs. Seems to K way to much for a 22 year old in this league with limited power. Any thoughts? How is his defense?

Pedroza’s defense at second actually improved quite a bit during the season to the point where he became not only dependable, but also occasionally exciting. Still, he suffered from long slumps and benefited from batting behind Dee Gordon and seeing a lot of fastballs. He has some positives. He hits for decent power for a middle infielder and he draws a decent number of walks. But he’s old for this league and he struggles against left-handed pitching. This is an important off-season for him. The Dodgers have to decide whether to push him up to Double A or cut him.

[at this point Jamie Pedroza strikes out to much given what else he brings to the plate. With 162 K's and a slug% of .433 he's no Dan Uggla. He was one of the players who played in the Cal League in 2008 only to find themselves playing in the Midwest League in 2009.  He did learn to take a walk this year (12.8%) and stole 36 bases on the way to scoring 100 runs. At 23 years old this month his clock is ticking. ]

SS - Dee Gordon - some have said he was the most exciting player in the minor leagues this year. We know he's raw but does he look like he can play SS? Some think his bat will be ready before his glove and thus maybe a move to center field would hasten his move up the ladder. What do you think? What have you heard?

Forget the talk about center field. Gordon is an outstanding shortstop. He has incredible range and is still learning the position. He makes errors of inexperience. For those of you play Stratomatic, he would probably grade out as a 1 fielder with an e-rating in the 30s. Given the Dodgers’ tendency to push players, I can see Gordon at Double A to start the season. There is little doubt he will play in the majors, but his development will determine whether he becomes a utility player/pinch runner, a decent player with holes in his game or an all-star. He has all-star potential. And while this may not be a big deal to baseball fans, he knows how to handle himself with the media, fans, teammates, etc. I hate to say this because you never know about the future, but I have a hard time believing Dee Gordon will ever do anything to embarrass the Dodgers.

[I'm not the biggest fan of speedy guys with little on base skills but Gordon is a  shortstop who managed to keep his walk rate between 7 - 8% for most of the year after starting out April at 4%.  He must have tired in August as his numbers were down across the board which dragged down his final numbers. As of now he's playing like someone drafted in the first round so we should be excited about him. As keeps getting mentioned the kid is raw so with more experience maybe he can make those Jose Reyes comparisons come true. ]

3rd Base - Gallagher was a 3rd baseman last year but hurt his shoulder this year. Was he going to play 3rd before his injury or have the Dodgers already decided he's a 1st baseman going forward?

I think he was and is going to be a first baseman. The Dodgers picked up minor league free agent Anthony Hatch before the season to play third for the Loons and he actually became one of the top players on the team, although he’s a bit old to be a prospect. Gallagher might have gotten some time at third if not for the injury, but he didn’t hit well either last year and he’s not the greatest defensive infielder. Does he have the power numbers teams want at first? Can he recover from the shoulder injury? This is a big off-season for Gallagher too, but I can see him starting next season in Great Lakes, then moving up depending on his performance. I don’t think the Dodgers were too impressed with his defense at third, but they believe the power numbers will improve as Gallagher gets older so that he will hit enough to play first.

[If Gallagher is only a first baseman going forward he loses much of his value. I can give the shoulder a bye but he has shown nothing that would get me interested in him as a 1st baseman. He's still young but for now he's off my map]

C - Tony Delmonico - was supposed to be converted to catcher but seemed to play a lot of first base and DH. His bat started out strong and ended strong but in the middle he was really bad. What did you think of his work at catcher? Can he stick there or has that experiment ended?

The experiment will continue, I believe. He was making progress at catcher before he hurt his hand. He has good catching skills, from a quick release to a decent arm. His progress from the start of the season to when he got hurt was impressive, especially in his ability to block pitches in the dirt. He was terrible at it to begin the season. He would play the occasional first base or DH when he needed a rest. He found out last year how taxing playing catcher is and how much it can take away from hitting. Delmonico is an outstanding hitter, but he was getting tired, which is another reason the Loons gave him time at first and DH and why you saw the dip in the middle of the season.

[This is very good news about Delmonico and he did throw out 26% of would be baserunners.  Hoping he builds up his stamina next year and continues to make progress as a catcher. ]

Any thoughts on Matthew Wallach? Catching skills?
Wallach is a decent catcher and a decent player, but probably not a top prospect. He probably projects to a backup catcher in the majors if he gets that far. He didn’t hit that well and he didn’t draw many walks. He’ll probably go to Inland Empire next season, maybe even share catching duties with Delmonico again.

What happened to Brian Matthews?
Maybe the 2007 season (.319 BA) was an aberration, because he didn’t look like the same hitter in his brief appearances with the Loons in 2008 and 2009. In all three years, however, Mathews received very little playing time with the Loons, making the numbers difficult to judge. He was a late-round draft pick who had to wow the Dodgers. He didn’t do enough to wow anybody.


Right Field - Kyle Russell - CO - MVP, home run leader, Slug% leader but also led the league in strike outs (32% of the time) and he was 23 years old. I've heard he's a very good right fielder, is that true? Rarely has a hitter struck out 32% of the time at this level at his age, and then been successful in the major leagues. What do the coaches, scouts think?

He’s a very good right fielder with a very strong arm. He will play outfield in the majors. There’s no problem there. Russell is going to give the scouts and analysts headaches because he does so many things well that contradict the typical strikeout scenario. He strikes out, but it’s not like he’s pull-happy. He uses all fields and has power to all fields. It’s not like he’s a free swinger either. He had a .371 on-base percentage and hit .272 in a very difficult park and league for hitters. He’s also a good baserunner, with 20 steals in 22 attempts. He has good pitch recognition. He’s not a free swinger, but he takes some impressive cuts. When Russell sees a pitch he likes, he doesn’t try to just make contact. He’s going to swing to hit it hard somewhere. Will he adjust as he moves up the ladder? Will he shorten his swing and sacrifice some power for average? He’s a very interesting prospect who could absolutely blossom next year but could just as well crumble. I see him beginning the year at Double A. The Dodgers need to find out about Russell and they won’t learn much from sending him to Inland Empire. One more thing. Like Gordon, Russell is a good guy in the clubhouse and with the fans.



CF - Nick Buss - how was his defense? What did you think of him?
Buss is a quality outfielder, although he doesn’t have the arm of some of the other outfielders on the Loons this year. That doesn’t mean it’s bad, it’s just not as intimidating. Buss will probably end up in Inland Empire next season. Like many of the other Loons, Buss struggled against left-handers. He has good speed, but didn’t get to use it much because he did not get on base much (.298 on-base). He’s not one of the Dodgers’ top prospects, but he was a much better player than Van Slyke was with the Loons and we all saw how Van Slyke played this year at Inland Empire.


Left Field - Alfredo Silverio - increased his walk rate from 1.8 to 5.5 and hit a ton of doubles. I've heard he has a hose for an arm but not much speed. Can he turn those doubles into home runs, is he working on his plate discipline?

Plate discipline will always be Silverio’s problem. He improved, but you could almost predict with two strikes that he was going to strike out. He does have a hose for an arm and has some serious power. He has speed, but he’s not quick. So he doesn’t have a lot of stolen bases and he may not beat out infield singles, but once he got moving, he stunned people. He covers a lot of ground going from first to third or going for a double. He can turn the doubles into homers, but unless Silverio learns the strike zone, it could be a rude awakening when the off-speed pitches improve as he moves up the ladder.

Pitching:
Aaron Miller - wow, his numbers were great for a guy just drafted. Right now I have him a head of everyone but Withrow. What did you think?

I agree. Wow. Send him to Double A and see what he can do. He’s a big left-hander from Texas who throws hard, but let’s not get into any Kershaw comparisons. Kershaw was more dominating than Miller at this level, but it’s hard to ask for anything more. In an odd note, Miller did struggle against left-handers, but the sample size is very small so it may not be noteworthy. I believe the Dodgers were also surprised by his immediate success. He was projected by many teams to be a power-hitting outfielder, but the Dodgers liked his potential as a left-handed starter. They believed that once he got his feet wet, he would excel as a pitcher. I don’t believe his feet ever got wet before he dominated. He’s a college player, so Double A isn’t a huge jump for him. The other thing to like about Miller is that he also excelled in the playoffs, taking the ball to start in the first playoff game in Great Lakes Loons history. He thrived under the pressure.

Ethan Martin / Nathan Eovaldi - they performed as a tag team most of the 2nd half and the Dodgers never took the gloves off of them. Did you ever hear the plan on why they were limited so much? Who was more impressive? Best pitch? What do they need to work on?

They were on strict pitch limits, which taxed the Great Lakes bullpen every time they started. And when they started back-to-back, the bullpen was a disaster. Once they became a tag team and went 4 or 5 innings each, they were able to prepare as if they were starting, get their innings in and even save the bullpen. Both are very young and have had injuries, so the Dodgers were very careful. Both throw extremely hard, so their challenge is to develop their off-speed pitches and control. They also have to improve their consistency. Both had some absolutely dominating outings, then would follow with a blowout. It was maddening, but not necessarily surprising for young pitchers. Eovaldi, who had Tommy John surgery, was the more impressive of the two, but they are very similar pitchers. Martin struck out more, but also walked more. Because they are so young, they may start at Great Lakes again with a ticket ready to move up if they show anything. They have the arms to be successful, but they’re also so young it’s hard to project. Both need to work on their control.

Redding - led all minor leagues in wins, had some great games mixed in with some bad ones. Any insight on him?

He did have some outstanding games, but I wouldn’t put too much stock into the win-loss record. Batters had little trouble hitting Redding. The record is more a result of a very good Great Lakes offense and some good bullpen help. His numbers were not that good outside of the win-loss record. Left-handers hit .324 against him. He also benefited from Dow Diamond, which is a tough place to hit. At home, Redding had a 2.61 ERA. Away, he had a 6.34 ERA. Overall, batters hit .281 against Redding. He’s 22 and done his time at Great Lakes, but I don’t think the Dodgers will push him beyond Inland Empire next season, unless he wows them in spring training.

Geison Aguasviva - future in the rotation or bullpen. Best pitch? Needs to work on?

I see Aguasviva as a left-handed specialist out of the bullpen. His ERA against lefties was 0.00, as in zero. In 20 innings against lefties, Aguasviva allowed 13 hits and two walks while striking out 19. His fastball sits in the low 90s, but has good movement, plus it works well against a very good changeup. He needs to get stronger (He’s 6-2 but only 166 pounds). He began the previous year with the Loons and was terrible. He has made tremendous strides. If he does get bigger and stronger, he may have the stamina to start. Until then, though, he’s a left-handed reliever.


Robert Boothe - had the best K rate on the team at 12.5% but his walk rate was also high at 4.6%. What did you think of him?

There were nights when he was unhittable and others when he couldn’t do anything right. The guy has a power arm and can blow hitters away when he’s right. There are some language problems since he speaks very little English. Midland is home to Dow and has a large international workforce, but Boothe probably didn’t see a lot of people from Tokyo. His fastball is in the mid-90s and is impressive. He’s got the kind of arm that will get chance after chance after chance with the hopes that it will all come together at some point. If it does, he has closer potential.


St. Clair - looks like a future closer, did he have the best stuff in the bullpen this year or do you think Javy Guerra did before his promotion?

I will be interested to see what St. Clair does as he moves up the ladder. He does not have an overpowering fastball like some of the other pitchers, but he has good control, he’s smart and has some quality breaking pitches. Could he become a starter at some point? Who knows? He doesn’t have that overpowering pitch that major league teams like from a closer, but he was outstanding for the Loons. Will that high-80s fastball be enough in Inland Empire? It may because the rest of his pitches are so good, plus he can place the fastball so well. Guerra had better stuff, but St. Clair has a closer's mentality and could locate his pitches.

Josh Walter - I know you like him but he's 24 in the MWL, how does his stuff compare to the big arms of guys above him on this list?

His arm is there, but probably as a reliever. The Loons moved him into the rotation at about the same time they went with the Martin-Eovaldi tag team. He’s huge ... 6-4 and 250 pounds and his older brother played in the NFL. He’s 24, so the Dodgers have to force-feed him up to Double A. He was decent as a starter, but more impressive as a reliever. In 24 innings as a reliever, Walter struck out 31 and walked nine. Batters hit just .186 against him. While he may not be a closer, he projects as a decent middle reliever

Jonathan Dutton - okay, maybe he's not a prospect but he's been a sleeper pick for me for several years. Can you give my reason for hope or should I write him off?

Well, don’t write him off, but he’s definitely not at the top of the prospect list. His numbers were actually pretty decent with the Loons last year. He’s another lefty who was tough on left-handed batters. He’s not big, must 6-1 and 155 pounds, but batters hit just .244 against him. I wouldn’t write him off, but I wouldn’t draft him in any keeper leagues.

Best Fastball? Nathan Eovaldi, with Martin right behind
Curveball? Eovaldi for strikes, Jordan Pratt for movement
Slider ? Aaron Miller
Changeup? Geison Aguasviva

Poll
Best Loon Prospect?
Dee MVP Gordon
117 votes
Kyle MVP Russell
10 votes
Aaron Cy Young Miller
32 votes
Ethan Number One Pick Martin
32 votes
Nathan TJ Eovaldi
7 votes

198 votes | Poll has closed

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This is outstanding. Thanks Phil!

by Eric Stephen on Sep 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

aaron miller

his fastball was high 80s touching 91…

i read this somewhere and it was a reliable source.. so it kinda puts a dent into his stock…

his velocity is not the reported 91 to 94 they said before the draft

by matthewmafa on Sep 28, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

also

this is a great post.. thanks for the info

by matthewmafa on Sep 28, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, and I asked you this on my site, but where did you hear this?

I have one tape of him so far and he’s sitting low-90s on this scout’s gun.

by kensai on Sep 29, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matthew here is Hugh's reply regarding Miller's velocity.
Phil,

Aaron Miller would reach the low 90s, maybe as high as 94 on a good day with the right stadium gun on him. He was NOT a soft-tosser. Plus, you have to remember, this was the first time he pitched full-time. What will he throw when he begins to work fulltime on his mechanics and arm strength?

In my opinion, velocity is not a concern with Aaron Miller. He’s not going to throw 100, but it’s not like he’s Frank Tanana (post injury).

As for one other comment, I believe Lambo would have destroyed the league at Inland Empire and Dodgers fans would stand ready to anoint him the next great prospect. A little struggle in Double A is not necessarily a bad thing. I consider this year a very good learning experience for Lambo. Also, I didn’t think he was that bad of an outfielder when he was with Great Lakes, and he worked hard on his defense. Was he great? No. But he wasn’t terrible. Maybe he does move to first base at some point. He’s not the type of player to hit 40 homers, but he should come in at around 25-30 homers with a ton of doubles and RBIs with a batting average around .300. He has such a great swing. Don’t give up on that swing because of some struggles as an underage Double A player.

by meercatjohn on Sep 29, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Reading Hugh’s takes this year have been great.

by Michael White on Sep 28, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2012 when Ethier and Kemp and Martin and everyone is gone.

We’d be celebrating the team of Martin, Evoladi, Withrow, Russell, and Miller with the 10th pick of the draft. :)

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't expect Ned to focus on signing the young talent.

He’s been quoted that he thinks a large market team like the Dodgers can afford going year to year, which is odd since even the Yankees and Red Sox will sign young talent to multiple years.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox have done that more than the Yankees.

There are two sides of course, in that the player needs to be willing to sign. Ned won’t do a deal with the young guys unless it buys out one or two years of free agency, and its possible that the players don’t want to commit to that in this market, but rather would want to be a FA after 2012, in presumably a better climate.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 28, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At blogger night someone asked him this exact question and he said something to the effect that there is something to be said for a player who plays hungry. In otherwords, if they have a big contract to “play for”, there’s a good chance they will perform better, or atleast put in the proper training and give themselves the best chance to succeed.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 28, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You see more agitated then you need to be.

So far no young player has walked that we care about. We could have been screwed if we had signed Martin to a long term deal and his future production is at this level going forward.

Alexis Rios is the canary in the coal mine. No one wants to have that happen yet, when the deal was signed
it looked like a great deal.

Now if a few years from now we lose players in the middle of their peak performances I can understand being upset, but it seems you are upset without even knowing how the future will play out and just guessing we won’t pay them. We paid for Schmidt/Jones/Furcal why wouldn’t we pay for our own if we feel they are worth it?

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I believe our current playroll is where the team will be at,

And Colletti is missing a great opportunity to extend this current run. We’d still be paying for Manny, Jones, and Schimdt and Furcal in deffered payments/bonuses, etc. in 2011/2012. And I find it hard to believe none of the younger players wanted an extension.

Colletti as a GM will overpay for FA talent, and he’ll overtrade away the Minor league talent and depth in order to pick up mediocre players. How can I not worry that the strength of the current club is not being taken care of?

Really, what’s preventing Colletti from letting Kemp walk away and signing a player like Shane Victorino in his place? His history has shown that he’ll sign and pay the guy with the ‘guts’ and ‘veteran leadership’ just as much as his talent level will warrant it.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, we keep on trading guys who could be possible replacements

or compliment the current Dodgers core.

Can you realistically see the Dodgers contending if they allow this team to be broken up?

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has never traded any of the core

of the team so I see no reason why he would do that. Yes, he has undermined the foundation of the system by
trading AA players for veteran talent but he has not touched the core.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Kemp walks

it will be because he wants more money then we can pay him, but man that is three years away. Lets enjoy him now.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think if the Rays were able to convince Evan Longoria to that stupidly below market contract.

That the Dodgers can be proactive and offer Kemp something he’d agree too. Along with Bills, Broxton, Ethier, Kershaw, and every other young player that we want to keep.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i expect delmonico to go carlos santana lite

next year. this year was hard with the transition to catcher calling games for the first time and the injuries

by hirambocachica on Sep 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could see that happening

then we can trade him for Joe Crede.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm amaze that hitters struggle

so much in the midwest league and the following year they usually take off examples justin upton carlos santana
i was surprise lambo did not follow that path

by hirambocachica on Sep 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lambo's struggles tainted

an otherwise successful minor league season for us.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is weird

how Santana/Bell/Johnson were all coming on but right after we dealt them they all blew up.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you know

Lambo skipped A+ ball entirely – no Cal League boost for him – and was young for the league in AA. He does have time to recover. I imagine he starts out next year repeating AA; I can’t see him being promoted to AAA or demoted to A+.

Maybe they kept him away from Inland Empire to keep Eric from being able to interview him.

by David Young on Sep 28, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Midwest League generally, and the Loons’ stadium particularly, is tough on hitters. Lambo’s 2008 OPS of .807 in that league at age 19 is not bad. The Cal League and IE’s stadium are hitters’ parks.

by David Young on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Sherrill but we did give up an awful lot for him.

This is the time where you’d love to know what other teams were offering for him.

Like the Lee deal, we are all certain we could easily have beaten the Phillie offer, so it makes you wonder what we did offer if we did offer anything.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a little much to expect

but he could give May a run for his money.

Which isn’t saying that much, but…whatever. :o

by kensai on Sep 29, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post

When will we vote for best Dodgers prospects?

by PHAT JULIO on Sep 28, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When I 've done all the leagues

and BA has done all the leagues and after our World Series Championship Run.

by meercatjohn on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Phil, thanks for keeping us informed

And pass on our community’s thanks to Hugh – those are great insights and perspectives.

by David Young on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Read an ESPN article today that said all of the playoff teams bullpens suck except for the Yankees

His rationale was that the Dodgers Bullpen sucks because the Dodgers will get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Not vice versa, but he used his prediction as evidence the Dodgers bullpen sucks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn

Really really fucking solid rationale.

Where do they find these geniuses?

by Dodger Dude on Sep 28, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read that article

I’ll nominate that as “the worst piece of crap article on baseball I’ve ever read” ’09.

by PHAT JULIO on Sep 28, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because team blown saves are a worthless stat. As Tripon said, our bullpen pitches a lot of innings, so a lot of 6th & 7th inning “blown saves” are on our ledger.

Fact is, the Dodgers have a winning record in games they’ve blown a save.

I like to look at blown saves from an individual closer perspective only. If a guy like Kuo or Sherrill enters in the 8th inning with a lead and blows the lead, I wouldn’t count that as a blown save since it is highly unlikely he would have been left in for the 9th to complete the save (it is different in some cases; say Broxton is unavailable, and Sherrill enters with two outs in the 8th, and it is clear he will attempt a 4-out save…hypothetically of course).

by Eric Stephen on Sep 28, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder is runs allowed per blown save is meaningful?

Or maybe RA or ERA is close enough. I’d bet that most save situations are one-run leads, and if you yield one run that’s a blown save, but the game is still tied, which means your team still has a decent shot to win. After all, a one-run inning isn’t a disaster, generally, if the starting pitcher allows it. If the SP allows a run in the sixth or seventh to let the game be tied, he just gets a no-decision!

by David Young on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be an interesting study. Good question.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 28, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Job

That was one of the laziest pieces of ignorant crap I ever read.

Eight playoff teams, couldn’t possibly research all of them before writing that article, that would require know how to use that whole internet thingie.

by Dodger Dude on Sep 28, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
… laziest pieces of ignorant crap …

Even worse than a blog! ;)

by David Young on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since the poll is up.

I voted for Dee Gordon.

You can’t really go wrong with any of the pitchers, but guys like Martin/Evoladi/Miller have a really tough wall to claim in order to get into the rotation with guys like Billingsley/Kershaw/Kuroda/etc in there.

And the Dodgers in the next two years will probably need Dee Gordon ready then they need Martin/Evoladi/Miller to be ready.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For Phil, and others

From ESPN LA Live:

@truebluela Got a treat for you this week: Lee Lacy, one of your All-Time LA Dodger Utility Man nominees, will be at ESPN Zone Wed. at 7pm.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Think the Phillies are sweating it a bit? Their magic number is only 3, but they have a charging Braves team that won’t lose, and they’re 4-6 in their last ten games.

That would be wild.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where's Xeifrank

He told us we should poor all the money we have that the Phillies will tonight.

by PHAT JULIO on Sep 28, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah,here it is... I blame it on UnAccuScore

According to UnAccuScore, we should all be pooling our allowance money and dumping it all on the Phillies to win today.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 28, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

by PHAT JULIO on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the Dodgers just assumed the Pirates would be no more difficult to beat than when Pittsburgh was swept three games in Los Angeles earlier this month. But the Pirates were fired up, taking offense to a comment after that series by Torre about how winning two low-scoring, close games in that series would be “good practice” if the Dodgers advanced to the postseason and played close games against top pitching.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090928&content_id=7203418&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

Torre didn’t say that, Ken Gurick did write it.

by Tripon on Sep 28, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

MNF

Jake Delhomme with 2 INTs to give him 7 on the year. I mean, how many INTs did he throw last playoff game? Like 4? How awkward was it when Jake Fox notified the team that Jake Delhomme will be their Starting QB?

by PHAT JULIO on Sep 28, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding job sir, my compliments.
train

by Bluetrain on Sep 29, 2009 4:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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