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Sure the Dodgers suck right now, they are getting beat by the bottom of the barrel teams in the NL, and as Dodger fans maybe you are embarrassed.

But don't be, this team has given us to much this year to give into a panic that one simple game will cure.  They have been good enough that they needed only one more victory a full week before the end of the season to clinch their 2nd Division title in two years. This is like last year in  August where all looked lost in Arizona after they had lost Friday Night and many were ready to abandon ship as they faced Webb and Haren for the final two games of the series.

Do so at your own peril. Your words remain here forever, for those who crap on the team when they are down, it will be hard for those of us who support the team, to welcome you back with open arms when the worm turns, and surely this worm will turn.

I've seen talk that even if we win now the celebration would be pointless. What poppycock, if we win we would have fought off one of the great runs of the 21st century by the Rockies. It may not have been 2007 but it was still one hell of a run, and the Dodgers have every right to be proud of this Division victory whether it happens tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. How we determine the success of this season is not dependent on how  or when we win the Division but on how far we go in the playoffs. Leave your disdain for then if they do not meet your expectations but not a dismal road run near the end of a gruelling season.

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I do not know how we couldn't beat up a rookie.

But we let him off the hook in the first inning when Furcal got doubled off of 3rd. I did not see the play, but that run lost was big.

by Tripon on Sep 29, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

At the moment

we can’t hit, run, field or throw consistent strikes.

I won’t say I’m not worried because I’m not sure we can win without Bills being Bills or our outfield producing but I also know I’ve seen to many teams turn on a dime to put to much worry into how they are doing today compared to how they might perform in the future.

What we do know is that we have good players and we can only hope their production in the playoffs matches their abilities.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

100% Right

The story was Bills tonight. He showed he should be back in the rotation.

We already clinched, Eric has already shown this whole Division wildcard thing is meaningless anyway. These are all a bunch of meaningless games other than to figure out when we show up if you have playoff tickets.

http://www.truebluela.com/2009/9/28/1059648/does-finishing-strong-matter-in

The Dodgers have work to do in the POSTSEASON and the goal is a WORLD Series victory.

by Dodger Dude on Sep 29, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

My problem with the crappy play against crappy teams

is the attention being garnared from the media. These losses do not help the Dodges’ image, especially with a lot of people who already dislike them. It really gets to me.

"Who would win: Coach Ditka versus a hurricane? The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka"

by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Sep 29, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

*Dodgers

"Who would win: Coach Ditka versus a hurricane? The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka"

by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Sep 29, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i see what u mean

the media and haters get on my nerves too

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've always liked the media dissing my team

the 88 series was oh so much sweeter when Bob Costas declared our starting lineup the worse in ML history. Sweeping the Cubs last year was oh so much sweeter because no one expected it but us.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it makes winning sweeter

But I just want a little love. That’s all. It gets to be annoying when it’s us against the world and nobody gives you the light of day.

"Who would win: Coach Ditka versus a hurricane? The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka"

by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now we don't deserve much respect

and if we lose in the first round like everyone expects then they will have been right.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

and if we get to the WS and win it all

its the biggest fluke of all time

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could imagine a ton of writers

appearing on ESPN saying how they refuse to recognize a Dodgers’ championship, or how it is in some way invalid.

"Who would win: Coach Ditka versus a hurricane? The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka"

by Mr. LA Sports Fan on Sep 29, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

vegas doesn't quite agree

pennant:

slc 2-1
phi and lad 5-2
rox 7-1
atl 10-1

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoops

rox 7-2 (now there’s a horrible bet)

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Beto Duran:
#Dodgers Joe Torre on losing 3rd straight with chance to clinch NL West “what’s worthwile is worth the wait”

by Bluetrek on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

he really

completes our lineup.. puts everyone in their real spot..

by matthewmafa on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

and has a nice tendency

to never go too cold – think he’s never had 10 ABs in a row without an appearance on base this year

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that a guess

or did you see some statistic on that?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it has become abundantly clear how valuable the beard really is to the lineup.

by DJDodger on Sep 29, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was clear

how valuable Belliard was to the lineup. Ever since he pulled his groin the team went into the toilet.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

were still gonna get HFA and clinch the NL west

just we keep squandering opportunities to finish the jobs thats got me ticked off…

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

and losing these games to bad teams

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

still 1.5 games ahead

i know thats not much
but im hoping this is the worst of the storm…

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seeing Him in a Lakers Jersey is Weird

but when you add the baseball/helmet thing it doesn’t seem as weird.

by bearface on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe he's a happier, looser guy

until a few weeks before opening day tip-off, when the dry-out begins…

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hollywood

He’ll be charmed. It’ll be better for him than Sacramento, Indianapolis, or Houston. That’s for sure. Plus he’ll be out of the spotlight here. He’ll be the fourth biggest star on the Lakers (behind Kobe, Phil, and Pau) and won’t be top 10 in sports behind Manny, Beckham, Pete Carrol etc.

by bearface on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

OOC what would the top 10 in LA sports be?

off the top of my head, and obviously wrong since I am not a big paperatzi fan.

1. Kobe
2. Manny
3. Phil J
4. Pete Carroll
5. Beckham
6. Boom Boom Pau
7. Vin Scully
I’m stuck after those.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd almost put cheaty above Phil

after that maybe Neu, Howland, Kopitar in some order, I think Torre and Russell Martin would make the list maybe above the previous 3

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Sep 29, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

More to maybe add

Kemp, Ethier, Baron Davis.

Though I’d bet there’ll be a fairly large spotlight, as he’s a known headcase joining the reigning champs.

by jaffa on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree

its ultra weird to see him in a laker jersey

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No thank you

I don’t want to see him associated with one of my teams again. Why doesn’t he just go play for the Lakers and say how it’s the greatest thing that’s ever happened to him for the third or fourth time and do all this wonderful posturing and not be further associated with the Dodgers?

by Nathan S. on Sep 30, 2009 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

sports central fail

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

McCourt wouldn’t comment when asked about club officials’ remarks last winter that they would be measured in their spending on the free-agent market — payroll was cut from around $120 million to around $90 million — so that they could have increased financial flexibility at the trade deadline. The Dodgers added less than $3 million to their payroll this summer.

“I’m just not going to go there,” he said. “Our actions speak louder than any words I can have.”

McCourt also refused to talk about payroll plans for next season.

McCourt gotta be smarter than this. Your actions say you’re willing to trade high valued prospects for veteran players in order to get out of paying for them.

by Tripon on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

The average fan doesn’t know that though, and he knows that

by pdotmac1 on Sep 29, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

mccourt is a cheap ass

 freaking this is the dodgers not the rays…

sign some international freee agents.. sign some late rounders to overslot deals… stop overpaying for juan pierres and jason smidts dammit

by matthewmafa on Sep 29, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Wouldn't Go With Cheap

Just on busts like Schmidt and Jones and semi-busts like Pierre and Manny (w/suspension) he’s spent almost as much as some major league payrolls. I can understand not wanting to do anything stupid.

The 2011 FA list is insane, and I’m sure he’ll spend some money. Hopefully well.

by bearface on Sep 29, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

and stop trading away prospects for Manny Ramirez. And quit signing washed up free agents like Orlando Hudson and Randy Wolf. And stop trading exciting players like Milton Bradley for no name minor leaguers like Andre Ethier. :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

His actions clearly indicate

he can’t spend money. Is he cheap or just operating within the confines of the revenues the Dodgers generate? We know they are hamstrung by not having the local TV money that other large market teams have but how much? GIven how he seems to need to keep the budget under 100M it is even more shocking he’d be trading young cheap talent for veterans even if he saves money on the deal in the short term he loses in the long term.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tickets

Dodger tickets are also insanely cheap compared to those at Fenway, Wrigley, Yankee Stadium, and Citi Field.

They could start charing $2500 for 9th row seats, but i’d rather not have that than have a $190 million payroll.

by bearface on Sep 29, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was fairly shocked

at the sub-50 buck tix I scored for the nlds. mediocre seats, but still, not a total cornhole operation.

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Division and NLCS tickets

are still reasonable.

World Series is not. My 20.00 season ticket is 200.00 for the world series. To explain that my 100.00 Laker ticket is only 270.00 for the Championship series. The % increase is a bit much for the World Series.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

if only laker tickets werent so damn expensive

we wouldnt have so many damn celebrities and loud as morgue crowds…

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got em the year Magic was forced to quit

Lot of Laker fans quit their team that year. I’ve had em longer then some of you have been alive.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

niceee

im jealous…

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

the vlade era

most of us blocked that one out

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, they may not have won champions

but they were still fun to watch. Sedale Threat and company……

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elden Campbell era

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

lemme think: elden campbell, cedric ceballos, eddie jones, nick van exel, vlade, james worthy till 1994

hey im familiar with early to mid 90s lakers….well those names roll off

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved Nick Van Exel

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was only 9 in 1991

but i cried when i found out Magic had HIV.

by bearface on Sep 30, 2009 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

My $23 season tix

was $30 for NLDS, $60 for NLCS and $175 for World Series.

Wow, the Laker tix is only $270 for the Finals, that’s what scalpers charge for the 300s.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

that seems ultra cheap

u sure theyre not nose bleed seats???
i thought they were in the 1000’s

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

more than 1 grand i mean

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you get your playoff bill

remember how cheap you thought they were:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem trying to win with a 100M payroll

it is still substantially more then our peers in our Division. Buying our way to a pennant has never interested me. It is why I root against the Yankee’s and RedSox.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I root against them

because of their players, fans and location. but, yeah, that too.

but who can hate the mariners or poor pathetic cubbies? they both spend a boatload.

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have nothing but disdain for the Cubbies

and was quite high when Prior imploded against the fish.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

disdain is a good word

they’re too pathetic for ‘hate’. Pinhead probably costs them 5 wins a year with his oatmeal-brained lineups alone.

by stillnotah8er on Sep 29, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont forget Alex Gonzales botching the DP in the NLCS

most cub fans blamed steve bartman for the game 6 collapse

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh if only McCourt wasnt so cheap...

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not worried about winning the NL West. I think it’s still a “no brainer” that we will win it. I am just worried that we aren’t playing well, especially key members of both our offense and starting pitching staff and how it will effect us in the playoffs.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

HFA is a concern

yes and i know its not necessary but its helpful

"That is not how you play the game!!!" -Jack in the Box

by shaqfor3 on Sep 29, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I worry that since Pujols hasn't hit a home run in three weeks

he will hit 10 during the playoffs.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 29, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

if the Dodgers lose to the Cardinals it will be because of that SS with the wierd looking facial hair. He will probably go all Ozzie Smith on his with the glove and bat.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. It seems like once they reached a magic number of 1 they kinda took their foot off the gas pedal.

Like you, though, I’m still not worried about losing the NL West, or even HFA for that matter.

You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.

by Jesse S. on Sep 29, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nicely said, no beatin’ around the bush here.

You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.

by Jesse S. on Sep 29, 2009 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Not worried

It’s just like a sitcom where a character is getting ready to have something really wonderful happen to them, but it keeps getting delayed for some reason. Where this team will be in a week is where this team will be. I hope it’s better than where the team is right now, but I just want to get this division out of the way.

by Nathan S. on Sep 30, 2009 3:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Very complex and Perhaps

the champagne will taste better at Dodger Stadium? After all, it’s gone over 2,000 miles to get there.

by RawhideBlue on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whine with that Cheese(or Blue Cheese with that Whine)

It seems healthy to get our frustrations out in this manner. I love it. I’ve no doubt that those who congregate here are devoted fans of this game and our beloved Dodgers. In the confines of True Blue LA the whine is appropriate. Of course, we have to keep that faith out on the streets or around the water cooler where we show our blue blood.
 “About the only problem with success is that it does not teach you how to deal with failure.” Source: The Artful Dodger (Tommy Lasorda) Tommy knew that a team must go “through” these times of failure to build up to success. In delving into all the possible reasons of “fail” and “let downs” of this team it strengthens and makes the next success so much better. So, here we go, buckle your seatbelts, keep your hands and feet inside the car and put your rally hat on. It’s going to be a wild ride! Go Dodgers!

by RawhideBlue on Sep 30, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

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