Closing Out The Arizona Season Series - Game Chat
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 6:45 PM PDT
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PrintLos Angeles Dodgers at Arizona Diamondbacks, Sep 9, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
How rare and unique is it that the Dodgers are about to have their eighth player with 50 or more walks this season? From Joe Posnanski of Sports Illustrated:
Brilliant reader Preston sent in this gem. David DeJesus leads the Kansas City Royals with 46 walks. That is one behind Los Angeles’ Matt Kemp, who has 47 walks. OK … so what’s the big deal?
Here’s the big deal: Matt Kemp is EIGHTH on the Dodgers in walks. Eighth.
Which means that EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the Dodgers starting lineup (with the exception of the pitcher, of course) has more walks than ANY player on the Kansas City Royals.
For more information, on the True Blue LA 50-Walk Challenge, click here.
Here are tonight's lineups:
| Dodgers | Diamondbacks | |||
| SS | Furcal |
2B | Roberts |
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| CF | Kemp |
SS | Drew | |
| RF | Ethier | RF | Upton | |
| LF | Manny | 3B | Reynolds | |
| 1B | Loney | C | Montero | |
| 3B | Belliard |
CF | Young | |
| 2B | Hudson | LF | Byrnes | |
| C | Martin | 1B | Tracy |
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| P | Garland | P | Haren | |
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lets go dodgers!!!
lets beat this haren guy.. hes got nothing…
russell is too confident
it might be hurting him..
minor league playoffs
the loons won 7-2 with aaron miller going 6 inning 0 run 9 Ks
stults has gone 5 innings and given up 10 hits with 5 ER… and add that with themm getting no hit and they are loosing 5-0
Not really. I just question the value of complaining about being owned when the Dodgers already scored tonight, and at the time were leading.
I wasn't complaining
I was merely pointing out that Haren is already dominating us. Do you disagree? He was making our hitters look like fools.
Ok
for the most part, our hitters have looked like fools. This isn’t Billy Buckner we are facing today, it’s actually one of the few best pitchers in baseball So unfortunately when a pitcher like Haren is on it just doesn’t look good.
I haven’t thrown in the towel, not in the slightest. I would have thought the same thing if Bills/Kershaw/Wolf/Kuroda started off this well against any team.
I disagree. He struck some guys out. He also surrendered a triple and a hit
So the Dodgers were 2/8 with a double and a triple. Not bad, not dominant.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i wish our team had a good catcher
or the old russell martin..
I think we're still doing it
though there is a new “no soul” thing I’m really excited about using.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
garlands splits
he was an ace on the road this year…
at home in chase field… he was DFA material.. so i was actually expecting a not too good start from him today..
yeah
get harden.. maybe the most injury prone pitcher in baseball..
I like Harden
But is he more than a 5 inning pitcher? That is the biggest complaint I’ve heard of him. If he can go around 6 a start, I’d love to sign him 2 years 22 million or so.
Hell be signing for atleast 3 years probably 4
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt that
as you said he’s injury prone. Other teams know that too.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Economy may be an issue
but theres alwasy those teams willing to take risks
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If injuries are really a concern
I’m not so sure he will get those 3 or 4 years he wants. Then again, there will be a few teams willing to go that far to get a talent like Harden, even with the injury risk.
Jon Garland, in his career, has a 0.83 GB/FB ratio
compared to major-league average of 0.78 over that time. I definitely would not call him a ground-ball pitcher.
I wouldn't touch Lackey
Save the money for the kids and use options like Elbert and Mcdonald and resign Wolf.
For Lackey, that is for his age 31-35 seasons
And he has had some injury issues that past two seasons – 24 starts last year, 22 so far this year. That will make teams think twice. Except the two that ESPN follows.
he wanted near CC sabathia money...
but has cooled off on that… and went toward more of aj burnett kind of money.
Kemp :(
His OPS has dropped over 30 points in the last 6 games. I really want to see him turn it around soon.
damn
and that is right after he was hitting everything for a homer../
matt kemps
BABIP used to be near babe ruthian level…. over .400
Kemp should have a high BABIP
considering his speed.
Ruth’s best BABIP was .423 in 1923, which is freaking insane.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He was doing so well
now out of nowhere he is slumping worse than I’ve ever seen from him in his career. The weird this is that it’s only been about a week and it’s hurt his stats so much.
Slumps happen, he’ll come back from it. I just hope the rest of the offense can pick him up while he’s down like he did for a good portion of the year for everyone else.
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I’ll put up front page link to this too soon.
He's pretty much done that lately, not just today
maybe getting a bit anxious up there.
If we can keep this at 2-1, 3-1, 3-2, etc
and get this clown out after 7, we’ve got a great shot
41 pitches through 3
he iwll go at least 7 the way he is going and probably 8 so we better take some pitches..
we should be rooting for phillies to win some games
if we want to see them in playoffs
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't follow. The Dodgers will play the team with the worse record
of the division winners. So we want Philadelphia to lose games.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
o yeah forgot the other team is COL
looks like were locked into them if we win division
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone think, in the offseason, the FO should
look into trading some of the huge amount pitching prospects for a young MLB ready starter?
Obviously it’s not like they would come cheap and they are readily available, but it should be something to think about IMO.
Depends on who you have in mind frankly....
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t really have anyone in mind, it was just more of a hypothetical question that I thought about because of the large amount of pitching prospects this team boasts.
Terrible Idea
We already have young MLB starters in Bills and Kershaw and MLB-READY starters in Elbert and McDonald. The pitching prospects below them are needed so they can step in when the guys I’ve mentioned become expensive (and their salaries need to be off-set by cheaper players) or leave as free agents.
we seriously need to take some pitches
or haren might go CG..
well played
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Sep 9, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
is it common for both teams to hit back-to-back-homers in the same game?
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah Yeah
haha, i am bad luck. I am outta here.
by Ian Capilouto on Sep 9, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He had a pretty sick 06 didn't he?
Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for us) it was obviously a career year and he has had injury problems ever since.
dont walk tracy
harens probably a better hitter
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions
And out of the inning
If there was ever a team that will help a pitcher out with strikeouts in that kind of situation, it’s the D-Backs.
3-2 Reds bottom of the ninth
but with one out, Cordero has allowed a double to Barmes and walked Giambi and Spilorghs to load ’em up. On Gameday, he looks wild. CarGo up, Seth Smith on deck.
He would have screwed it up anyway
I’m just glad he got one out
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
fucking rockies, and a belliard fail
i guess i arrived at the wrong time…
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
There is just something about it that I can’t stand. That, soccer, and golf. I love watch baseball, football, basketball, and even hockey. I guess I’m more of a fan of team sports (minus soccer).
World Cup and the Masters are two of my favorite sports for TV
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I watch more golf now that I’m in a group of guys who play every Sunday. Once you watch it through the lens of “trying to get better” it changes things.
I too love the World Cup. And I still buy payperview fights for boxing. And I watch basically every Clipper game and Dodgers game, and I buy NFL Sunday Ticket. My wife’s tolerance level for this stuff is pretty insane now that I think about it.
The only sport I watch less now than I did in high school is hockey….
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ya i agree i really enjoy almost all sports, having split english and american family probably adds to it as well
hockey is the most recent sport I’ve started following closely, my roommate is from darien, ct and a massive rangers fan, he got me into hockey two years ago and I’ve really grown to love Kings hockey, besides that though I love basketball, football, golf, rugby, baseball, tennis, soccer, and even cricket on tv
the only thing I just cannot get in to is nascar or even f1 for that matter…i think any sport becomes interesting though if its a big stage,(i.e. track and or speed skating in the olympics)
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Pretty much the same here, minus hockey.
It’s a pity how cricket’s gone to sky, and become so hard to find on tv (in the UK…)
ya, my dad finally ordered setanta a year ago, so while I'm home i get some Spurs footy : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
The level of sports watching
amongst all sports is very high around these parts….
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to say it but get ready for a lot of Ronnie next year.
by delias man on Sep 9, 2009 8:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Ronnie Belliard is projected to have a -27.2 URZ/150 at 3rd base
But a +7.2 URZ/150 at 2nd base in 2009
I know I'm late, but . . .
. . . the Rockies are like that mother cockroach that just. won’t. die.
I'd pull Garland now. Job done, turn it over to bullpen
don’t let him face the top of the order again.
Hopefully they get to hit for Garland.
by delias man on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Haren at 89 pitches
Dodger hitters must make this his last inning
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions
nope
russell has no chance against haren..
Saving Thome for late inning, men-on situations I guess. Would still like to see him more often.
Oh is he hurt? I thought that foot thing was just a minor tweak…
i would think he is
but you never know especially cause he just hit last half inning
i hope so but i just saw
that in 16 of his 28 starts hes made more than 105 pitches
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Third time in four days for Belisario
Meanwhile, Troncoso hasn’t pitched since Saturday. Way to kill the guy Joe.
what a weird year for Tron
-started out trying to win a job in the rotation.
-had a bad spring and was questionable to make the team.
-made the team and pitched well in long relief.
-was elevated all the way to setup man.
-sherrill acquired. Troncoso disappears.
by Michael White on Sep 9, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ughhh
I am so sick of old episodes of South Park. It’s 9 PM, Futurama should be on, and instead Comedy Central continues to whore out South Park….
lol ya I love when stadiums are quiet enough to notice one guy repeatedly
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
What would a fair trade for Pujols be
for the Dodgers, and would you do it?
Just the prospect of being able to get Pujols makes my mouth water, haha.
maybe a package involving elbert
and kemp, ethier, bills
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad
Martin has like 1/4 the value he had a year ago, and the Cards have a catcher way better than Russ, haha, otherwise he would be a good trade chip.
I think it would take:
Mcdonald, Loney, Bills, Lambo, Gordon, Elbert, and one of Withrow or E. Martin.
Are you kidding?
We can’t give up JP JUST for Pujols! We’d need at least Wainwright and Rasmus as well.
Wow Haren is super pissed
won’t even look at Hinch
why would haren be pissed
manny owns the shit out of him
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito 2.34 ERA since the break
Damn, that’s .01 points better than Lincecum in that same time. I hope that’s a fluke.
Timmah said he can pitch on Monday.
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_13303917?source=rss
Meaning, he pitches the last game of the Dodgers-Giants series.
OTOH, I did call this pitching sequence
I’d put money on Sherrill, after Beli stays in for Reynolds.
by El Lay Dave on Sep 9, 2009 9:09 PM PDT
lol ya, in that fan shot the Space balls reference was perfect too lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
now, for the love of christ can we please end this with our bats right now?
i say no to extra innings
I thought you wanted to "go down in a blaze of glory"
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Sherrill due up fourth
If the dodgers go 1-2-3, Torre should have his next pitcher warmed, but send Sherrill to the mound to force Hinch to commit to a PH for Gutierrez first.
should we be worried that we have to face a lot of crappy teams in the near future?
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
well i hope your right, because it hasnt gone so well for us lately lol
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
yep take a bow dave, or jsut post padma again : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
However, I'd rather have Sherrill pitch to this scrub
than have Tron pitch to Hinch’s LH PH of choice (Parra?)
we need a" early season in chicago" Tron effort right about now
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
ya i just remember that clutch save as the highlight of his season
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I'd really like to bring Broxton in right now
I’m sure we could use Kuo later to try and get a save later if necessary.
Troncosa throwing 8 intentional balls in a row
hes probably gonna walk reynolds
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions
i guess were banking on a K
im feeling a sac fly though : (
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
I really cannot fucking stand Torre's insane need to have Broxton
available for a save on the road when we need our best relief pitcher in to just have to ability to fucking hit again!
Jesus Torre, will you ever learn?
o please
tron fucking blew this .. no way broxton can be piutching in that situation
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of you need to calm the fuck down. Troncoso has been OUTSTANDING all season, and you all want to shit on him right now. Jesus Christ, get some fucking perspective.
I don't blame his pitching
I blame the incredibly terrible error he had to put a runner on 2nd with no outs. That was inexcusable.
i blame it on the damn umpire
the umps strike zone was the size of his brain in the last at bat…
Its absurd that an error like that is “inexcusable.”
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
He was something like 50 feet away, had no reason to hurry as much as he did and make an inaccurate throw. Fundemental baseball. Inexcusable in that situation to make a throwing error there.
So baseball players should not make errors? Ever?
Troncoso had a bad game, yes. But people are acting like he’s a piece of shit.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And Troncoso doesn’t even make that many errors. It was the first of his career. Geez, give the guy a break.
I'm not saying he has a history of errors that cost us games
I’m saying this error, which should not have happened at all, cost us the game.
In the 2nd half the Dodgers have been getting beaten by pitchers like Bailey and Buckner, it’s not a new development.
It is a fact, though, that Tron’s error lost us the game today. No getting around that.
I thought he literally meant “Bill” Buckner, as in the 1986 WS
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
His pitching was fine
and he got squeezed by the ump. I have no problem with his pitching. Tron’s fielding was what lost us this game (along with the ball call in Reynold’s at bat).
I like Troncoso, and I still trust him (not as much as Kuo or Broxton, though).
The “inexcusable” part rankled me, in light of all the other remarkably negative comments by others. I probably overreacted.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The fielding error drilled me.
I took it upon myself to blame Tron cuz.. Well… We’ve played spectacular defense up until he made that throwing error that pretty much cost us the game. We made the big plays, got out of jams. This game to me was one of those “Hard work doesn’t pay off” games. Really frustrating. And the Rockies win didn’t make it any better.
since the all star break hes been god awful
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the All-Star break, his ERA is 4.82, including tonight, but a lot of grounders have found holes. His FIP since the ASB has been 3.62. That’s not god awful.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is it surprising? Torre hasn’t brought in Broxton on the road in a tie all season.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The loaded bases were courtesy of the two IBB
so that leaves the error and the last walk as his two mistakes.
I know Torre had him to walk Drew and Upton.
I was blaming Torre, not Troncoso. The walk to Reynolds wouldn’t have ended the game if the bases weren’t loaded.
Ok, it appears I misread your comment. I thought by “balls” you meant “pitches”. Five pitches were strikes, but only one ball was a strike.
vr, Xei
While it would have been nice to sweep
we took 2 of 3, so overall id say its a good series
Giants have really been struggling so we can take it to them
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My bad. I should have started a new thread. I decided to ride it out.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
except we were up 3-2 in this game
and we were never leading in that game
Brutal.
"Don't tell me about the world. Not today. It's springtime and they're knocking baseballs around fields where the grass is damp and green in the morning and the kids are trying to hit the curve ball." -Pete Hamill
I don't have a problem with this game
just a choke, we deserved this one against Haren, although we’ve lost alot of games we deserved to win recently…just win boys, fucking win
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
we got Cain, Sanchez, Penny, and possibly Lincecum
tough matchups but winning 3 out of 4 is not out of question
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions
nvm its a 3 game series
hopefully we miss Lincecum
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Tripon meant earlier that Lincecum pitching Monday meant he would then pitch Sunday at Dodger Stadium too, the last game of that series.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
o so the next series
well in that case 2 of 3 is very possible
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He will miss out on this one.
But likely not the next one, next weekend
by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
they will still be in it
COL is due for a 4 game losing streak
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
i would want the dodgers to face lincecum
we need to face as much good pitching as possible…. thats all we are going to face in the playoffs so we got to practice now cause we arent going to get 5th starters in the playoffs.
If the Rockies beat the Reds tomorrow, the lead will be down to 2
Anyone know the last time it was that low?
I kinda wish we played COL more
we own them
by SeanMillerSavior on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
While the Dodgers are in SF
Colorado will be in SD. Here’s the probables for the Rocks next four games:
Jose Contreras vs. Kip Wells
De La Rosa vs. Mujica
Jiminez vs. Stauffer
Marquis vs. Richard
Hmmmmm.
richard staffer and wells will shut them down
but isnt mujica a reliever??
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