Mark McGwire Finally Admits It
by David Young on Jan 11, 2010 1:02 PM PST
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Mark McGwire sent a statement to the Associated Press today admitting using steriods. Apparently his 1 for 20 performance in the 1988 World Series against the Dodgers - the one hit was the other walk-off HR of that WS, in Game Three, in an eight-pitch AB where Jay Howell threw him high fastball after high fastball, refusing to throw his best pitch, a curve, because scouting reports had McGwire as a great curveball hitter, until McGwire finally caught up to and crushed one - was clean though.
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Is it appropriate to say Dohmann was bombed in Hiroshima last season?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
In case anyone is interested
The list of Dodger NRIs is updated.
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/11/1197078/dodgers-2010-minor-league-deals
There is also a link to this on the leftsidebar of the front page.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman
if you lie for 10 years, and everyone knows you’re lying, what’s the value of finally telling the truth?
craigcalcaterra
@SI_JonHeyman Have to ask the writers who have been demanding that he come clean for so long.
craigcalcaterra
@SI_JonHeyman On October 18th you wrote “its time for Mark McGwire to come clean.” If you don’t think there’s value, why did you say that?
jay_jaffe
@craigcalcaterra because he’s a hack who had a few empty lines to fill with empty sentiments
Twitter fight! [quote]SI_JonHeyman if you lie for 10 years, and everyone knows you’re lying, what’s the value of finally telling the truth? craigcalcaterra @SI_JonHeyman Have to ask the writers who have been demanding that he come clean for so long. craigcalcaterra @SI_JonHeyman On October 18th you wrote “its time for Mark McGwire to come clean.” If you don’t think there’s value, why did you say that? jay_jaffe @craigcalcaterra because he’s a hack who had a few empty lines to fill with empty sentiments[/quote]
OR
big mac..
mark mcguire… you were a powerful man… the bat looked like it was your B>tch the way you swung it..
got milk lied!!
those muscles werent formed by milk!!
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Mark McGwire, USC guy long-suspected of cheating that came clean. Who’s next, Reggie Bush? Pete Carroll?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I hope nothing happens to Fred Lynn this month.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
With Randy Johnson
retiring who is the best Trojan still playing?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Zito? Jeff Clement? I’m sure I’m missing someone
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Wow those are slim picking
UCLA kicks AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS in this area, thank you Chase Utley.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I guess Ian Kennedy. Sheesh what a crap list.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Though overpaid, Zito is still essentially a league-average starter. Pass the crown to Kennedy if/when he does something.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Oh Yeah
it has to be Zito at this point. So who has the five top MLB in the PAC 10?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Would an All Pac-10 MLB all-star team be an interesting off-season article, plus a list of the top active player from each school?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think so
As an addition to the article a quick story on the best Dodger from that school past and current.
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I wouldn't make that a requirement
Most college players are drafted and signed after their junior year, so I’d bet a significant percentage never complete their degrees, or only after giving up baseball. Brian Barton has his though!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You could never build a baseball team
around graduation rates. The only ones who graduate, suck. Normally. I think. Maybe.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I meant Kennedy as someone I missed. Zito is still tops, easily.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 2:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Barry Zito? Aaron Boone played in 2009, does he still count?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
More A.Chapman salary talk
Per the Cincy Enquirer:
Chapman’s salary this season is $750,000 with a bonus of $1.5 million, according to a club source
Doesn’t really affect the 2010 budget much at all
Man
I wish I had a new version of Explorer here at work.
My Maury Wills piece is done, but my old version of Explorer won’t reveal the formatting tips. It will need a lot of formatting. So I have to wait until I get home…
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
If you want, you can email me the article if you want, and I’ll post it. eric d stephen at gmail dot com
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Put it in the Lords of the Ravine Section
I’ve got to gather all the fanposts and put them there.
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How do I put it in that section?
Will it be obvious?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 11, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Can’t put fan posts in there though; only stories.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yean I know
which is why I was creating stories linking to the fans posts. Which took away from the fan posts but did get everything in the right section. I’ll just wait and do like five at a time.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Could write a story that is all links to the fanposts and put that into the section.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That is what I've done
on Cey, Sutton, and Pedro.
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I won't make you do that.
It has a lot of links and stuff I want italicized or bolded… plus I may want to do a last-minute edit as I go along. I’ll get to it this evening.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 11, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I"m glad Mark came clean
I hope others follow, I’ve always wanted to know if he started during his USC years or did not start until the injuries started taking a toll on his career. It is why I did not vote for him. I have no idea if he hadn’t taken steroids if he’d been able to stay healthy enough to do the damage he did.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The McGwire case shows my hypocracy about steroids.
The McGwire case shows my hypocracy about steroids.
I didn’t like Barry Bonds as a person, so I thought his use of steroids should keep him out of the Hall.
I liked McGwire, so I gave him a pass.
That doesn’t make sense, and I think I’m going to have to lighten up on Bonds.
But I’m not happy about it.
Well
in Bonds easy defense the man was an easy HOF before he took steroids. If what McGwire says is true is that he took them to get healthy that puts a definitive ??? mark on his career. No doubt he could hit home runs, the real question until he turned it around was if he could stay healthy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
For me, it’s hard to draw the line. What if someone gets an arm operation that wasn’t an option 30 years ago, and ends up extending his career into HOF levels?
I’m not saying you are doing this, but I think there is the perception that steroids are some magical pill that will transform anyone into a great athlete. If someone is working out hours every day, and using steroids to help them recover / stay healthy, etc, is that really much different from going to GNC? I mean, there is still a pretty ridiculous amount of work that goes into the job.
Admittedly, though, it is a tough spot as a fan, kind of a gray area. I have just never been able to muster up much outrage about it.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it is different
if GNC was working they wouldn’t have taken the next step up. The illegal step.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So your only objection is the illegality?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Should someone who succeeded by illegal means be considered one of the best in his profession? In the business world, don’t they end up in jail (inside trading) or fired and disgraced (sexual harassment) if found out?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Honest question: aren’t steroids only illegal as a controlled substance to discourage addiction?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
They aren't illegal, they're only illegal with respect to athletics
They are a controlled substance, but in that way they’re no different then Vicodin. They have legitimate medical uses and are used all the time with a prescription.
When did MLB ban steroids for major league players?
(Thinking that use before then shouldn’t cause a player to be downgraded.)
The CBA from 1993 had a provision banning steroids
It simply had no punishments attached, and no testing process. Basically it just said, “Don’t use steroids.”
Pointless, but its there.
Greenies are actually more illegal than steroids
I do believe, as they are flatly illegal, not a controlled substance.
The difference in the case of athletics is a minor one, so whether its relevant is up to the individual.
You are right…I was going for the fact that greenies ran rampant for years without any moral outrage, but in terms of our discussion it was off topic.
I think I have an overreaction to faux media outrage more than any of the arguments expressed in here. Honestly, I don’t want steroids a part of the game at all, and Phil has articulated his point about fairness to other athletes (who shouldn’t have to choose whether or not to break the law), and that’s good enough for me.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well
the reason they are illegal is because of the possible health considerations. I don’t think anyone at the FDA cares if someone builds muscles without training but they probably do care about effects. That said the only reason they are probably illegal is that they have a lousy lobby.
Still they were illegal. I don’t really care about steroids per say, I simply care about the players who decided not to break the law and were punished by doing so because others did and thus elevated their game beyond those who didn’t. And I don’t buy the argument that those who didn’t cheat could have for simple reasons.
1. It was illegal and they didn’t want to break the law
2. They decided the long term health questions about the product involved was not worth the risk to them or their families. Maybe they saw Lyle Alzado at a Laker Game and it left a profound impact on them. Like me.
So I don’t feel they should be punished for doing the right thing and they clearly were because the Brett Boon’es of the world made out like bandits while the others who followed the rules did not.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I find Kurt Warner
one of the most amazing stories of the decade if not the history of the NFL. I’m sorry I missed that game yesterday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Has Mrs. Warner grown her hair back out yet? Not a fan of the short, spikey ’do she was sporting at the last Super Bowl. Too close to mine!
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
warner is great..
the mans a beast in the playoffs..
hall of famer in your opinion??
He certainly doesn't have the career stats
His argument is a bit like Koufax: no longevity, but when he was in there, all he did was shred defenses. Higher career passer rating then Marino and Favre too, and by a fairly significant margin (93.7 to 86.4/86.6, respectively), which kinda surprised me. Not to mention as many seasons of 100+ rating as the pair combined.
He’s HoF caliber, but I’m not sure he’s got the career totals to pull it off.
He is a no-brainer, IMO
Underrated because of some dumb system stereotype, but he was better than the other options on the team in all of his years, even his crappy ones in New York, where Eli Manning took over and sucked more.
He’s honestly one of the best clutch performers of all time, if you believe in that.
Furthermore, he’s not some game manager Super Bowl winner like Eli Manning or Roflburger, he is the offense on all the teams he’s played for. Everything goes through him and teams game plan for him.
by Chad Moriyama on Jan 11, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/1/11/1246066/dodgers-announce-participants-in
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in other news
tiger woods was involved in some scandal…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
What? Oh no way!
Next you’ll tell me that the curse of the Bambino was a sham and the Red Sox actually won or something.
Calculate the odds
On seeing two people beating Ruth’s and Marris single season HR record in the same season. A little bit of a jump in performance can be huge as far as your relation to your competition.
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