Print the Legend: The Case for Maury Wills
On one level, it's very easy to write an appreciation of Maury Wills. In fact, it's been done hundreds of times.
Two score and seven years ago, Maurice Morning Wills brought to baseball a new strategy, conceived in speed and dedicated to the proposition that stealing bases wins world championships. Maury Wills broke the stolen-base record, introduced Major League Baseball to the West Coast as he brought three world championships to the new Los Angeles Dodgers franchise, posted great personal statistics and changed the game of baseball.
But does he belong in the Hall of Fame?
"If you measure the impact on the game and the contributions I made to my team, and even my numbers -- why not me?" Wills said.
He not only brought meaningful speed to the game, but helped the Dodgers win three World Series titles.
We've heard it all before: the unstoppable stolen base threat, the man who led the Dodgers to three world championships, reinvented the game, beat out Willie Mays for the MVP in 1962... but these, I'm afraid, leave me unconvinced of Wills' greatness.
Like many, I find stats-based arguments to be the most convincing. If I squint, I can almost see a stats argument in Wills' favor: in Wills' day, shortstops weren't expected to provide much offense. Only Jim Fregosi and Rico Petrocelli really stand out as the excellent hitters of the era at the position (Petrocelli would log almost half his career at third base), and with the other aspects of Wills' game, Wills compares well as a total player with any shortstop of his era. Bill James ranks Wills as the #19 shortstop of all time; the Baseball Page puts him at #24.
But this argument is still weak sauce to me. Is that the statistical argument for Wills -- that in a weak era, he was near the top? Is Top 25 of All Time really so impressive that we must put Wills in the Walter O'Malley Suite?
To put it more succinctly:
Though generally considered a Hall of Fame-caliber performer while active, [Maury Wills] can be seen in retrospect to be only a middling offensive player.
There is perhaps no 60s-era Dodger who more represents the divide between the old and new schools of baseball analysis than Maury Wills. It's almost as if his case were designed to pick a fight. He is a speed player -- credited, probably incorrectly, with bringing speed back to the game -- when we know now that speed is not as important as other aspects of offense. He received an MVP award -- one that is mocked today, sometimes called one of the poorest choices in MVP history. Though there are those who still lobby his Hall of Fame case, he has been judged for that by the people most likely to appreciate his skill and found wanting. He has also been dismissed as a "no-threader" (as in "we need no thread to discuss him") by the Hall of Merit. There is no groundswell effort for a new look at Wills' career. For fans born too late or too far away to have witnessed his game firsthand -- and I'm one of them -- it can be tough to have an appreciation for Wills and what he means.
But this is not the Hall of Fame; this is the Vin Scully Lords of the Ravine, and I believe Maury Wills has a good case to be considered one of the most legendary of Los Angeles Dodgers. He holds a unique place in Dodger history.
We continue, after the jump.
I wouldn't put Wills in the HOF or HOM. But I grew up in this era and everybody thought he was a star.
-- poster schuey, Maury Wills discussion thread for the Hall of Merit, 6/4/06
Here is where the divide between old-school and new-school touches its rawest nerve. For the old-school and casual fan, doesn't two-walks-and-a-homer make for boring baseball? Isn't that what old-school types mean when they say the statheads are ruining the game? Sure, baseball diehards, like most of us here, can appreciate the art of a player drawing a walk, or waiting for the pitch he can drive to the fence, but most people, I think, would like to see a player swing, put the ball in play, get that cleanly hit single. And when that batter-runner is a rabbit, well, as a fan, your heart goes into your throat. The speed plays -- first-to-third, the stolen base, the triple -- may not be how the great teams put together their offense, but they are the most exciting plays in the game.
And when Maury Wills played for the Dodgers, there was maybe no more exciting player in the game than he. The Dodgers had great pitching, of course, and surely fans wanted to see the men on the mound, but at the plate, it was Wills, that mighty little waif, that the fans came to see.
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Wills stole 104 bases in 1962, and was caught stealing only 13 times. You know why? Catchers couldn't throw.
-- The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract
I understand James' criticism here -- it's difficult to compare Wills' stolen base percentage across eras, because the role of catcher was different in 1962. Fine. But can't we make an easy comparison between Wills' stolen bases and the Moneyball A's? The A's found a market inefficiency: low-average players with high OBP were undervalued. They walked their way to a few division titles. Should not Wills' and the Dodgers' exploitation of a similar inefficiency be lauded as much as the A's was? Perhaps those stolen bases weren't worth as much as people thought they were at the time, but they were still worth something, and 104 of them are an awful lot. Dismissing Wills' accomplishment -- "catchers couldn't throw" -- seems cheap. By exploiting the league's inability to throw out baserunners, Wills ran the league ragged.
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Maury Wills once told me that there will come a point in my career when everyone in the ballpark will know that I have to steal a base, and I will steal that base. When I got out there, I knew that was what Maury Wills was talking about.
-- Dave Roberts, 2004
Wills today receives credit for bringing back the stolen base to the modern game. Many baseball historians point out that the stolen base revolution was already underway when Wills made his debut, and that is surely true. But this is like saying D.W. Griffith didn't invent the movie camera -- absolutely true, but he was certainly the one who took it to new heights. Same with Wills and the stolen base.
Roberts' quote about Wills -- and how much do I love that quote? -- reinforces the Myth of Maury Wills, but Wills' stolen base legacy isn't even the greatest Maury Wills Tall Tale. In the years since the end of his career, there's been a certain legend built around the Dodger teams of the 60s -- oh, the games they won 1-0, with Koufax shutting out the opposition and Wills scoring the only run on a walk, stolen base, sac bunt and sac fly. This never happened... ever.
But why should we let that get in the way? The reason stories become apocryphal is that they could be true. Though the myth never happened the way it's described, it tells me -- a boy from Schenectady, New York, born 1974 -- what it was like to watch baseball in Los Angeles in the early-mid 1960s. And you know what? It sounds like he was simply pure joy to root for. He sounds like a hell of a time at the ballpark.
In that sense, what's so wrong about building a myth, a legend of the ravine, around Maury?
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Regarding his MVP Award. Enders, in his piece for Dodger Thoughts, shows just how the jury is out:
Of the 104 regular major leaguers in 1962, Wills ranked only 47th in on-base percentage and 65th in OPS+. But VORP (Value Over Replacement Player), after adjusting for position, ranks him as the 10th-best player in the NL, trailing, among others, teammates Tommy Davis and Don Drysdale. By far the most generous stat to Wills is Bill James' Win Shares, a system which goes bonkers over his defense in certain seasons. Maury's 32 Win Shares rank fifth in the 1962 NL, trailing only Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron, and Davis.
No, he probably didn't deserve the MVP -- that should go to the player who provides the most value on offense and defense. Still, fifth in the league in Win Shares isn't all that far off. If Wills' defense really was that good*, I have to believe that he was a truly great player, at least in 1962.
*I admit that I do not have a sense of just how Wills' defense is viewed. One source says he was "poor" as a minor-leaguer. James' metrics go gaga for him "in certain seasons," as Enders says above. Reading between the lines, my takeaway of the general opinion is something like: he was about average among his peers in an era in which shortstops were, as a rule, very good fielders. But I have no idea if that's accurate.
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When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
-- "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"
In 2002, Dodger fans selected Maury Wills as the most exciting player in Dodger Stadium history. I think that's right. I wasn't there, but the legend of Wills gives me the sense that I was. I see him there, on first. The stadium is chanting go, go, go... more than Drysdale, more even than Koufax, this idea of Wills as the pest's pest tells me what it was like to be a Dodger fan.
Wills' statistical case is not strong? So what? We can still love him. His legend stands tall.
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This is amazing
Just awesomely well presented and thorough. This sets the bar very high for all future Lords of the Ravine posts.
Thanks Humma!
Great Stuff
Hate to have to follow that act. Smart to take the tact you took and we appreciate the amount of time you took in creating that post.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This was a great read, but i hae to add, to appreciate what Wills did you had to be there. Mere stats arnt enough, especially in an era that had so many truly outstanding pichers. If I Could vote, Maurice Morning Wills would be a lock. Back in the day, when the Mouse got on base. It was electric, everybody new he was going to steal, and he did, and to say catchers couldnt throw is a false statement, if that were true, where were all the other rabbits?
train
agreed
Maury Wills was well before my time, but I have a much more “old school” mentality as to what makes good baseball, which is probably why I have a great appreciation for players like Vince Coleman (at least on the field) and, yes, even our old friend Juan Pierre. I’ve heard and read what makes a good baseball player by the newer definition, and I fully appreciate the merits of the argument. But while this opens up debate (and the debate IS still open) on how players should be developed going forward, does this mean we have to go and redefine what makes even the players of the distant PAST good ballplayers? Specifically, Wills is going to be criticized by some for an unspectacular OBP- something people didn’t care about nearly as much back then- yet Bill James is going to downplay, if not denigrate, his amazing stolen base accomplishments because the catchers of the era weren’t good?! Talk about a double standard! Besides, as you say, then EVERYONE’S stolen base totals should have been well into the double digits back then. Sounds to me like Bill James found something that didn’t fit neatly into HIS definition of what makes greatness, so he simply dismissed it.
Look, this is a guy who scored 130 in a single season in a low scoring era. He helped the Dodgers win championships. There isn’t anything wrong about building a myth around the greatness of Maury Wills, but the nice thing in this case is, we don’t HAVE to.
I was there
I saw Maury Wills play. I felt the emotion. I heard Vinny’s commentary.
IMHO the missing piece of the Maury Wills puzzle, and what cannot be quantified by statistics is passion.
Maury Wills had passion in spades. His passion is what made him great.
Brilliant article
Thank you.
Maybe the Suite needs an “Electric Moments” exhibit.
- Wills stealing his 100th base.
- Gibson limping around second, pumping his fist.
- Reese refusing to sign the player petition against Jackie Robinson
It could be a way to recognize dramatic events, even if the guys involved don’t make the cut based on other criteria.
-Shawn Green hitting his 4th home run of the game….
more on that later.
by Michael White on Jan 13, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what we in the business like to call a “tease” :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
- Rick Monday throwing a fist in the air as he rounded first base in Montreal
- Scioscia off Doc Gooden
- Bob Welch striking out Reggie Jackson
- The Squeeze
- Tim Leary’s game-winning PH single against the Giants in 1988
- Keith Moreland flying out to Jose Gonzalez to end the 10th inning in San Diego in late September 1988
- “Two and two to Harvey Keunn…”
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Ballparks.com disagrees :)
Extra-wide concourses which have a view of the field so fans don’t miss any action while at concession stands or while on the way to the bathroom
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Brent Mayne
Buster Olney quotes him all the time, but I just noticed Brent Mayne has his own website, complete with a blog and lots of catching tips. Pretty interesting
Bison news of sorts
mlbtraderumors: Dodgers Close To Two-Year Deal With Kemp?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
I don’t subscribe to XM, and didn’t hear the interview, but I don’t agree with the logic that the Dodgers ownership situation is preventing them from offering a third year. Kemp will be here in 2012 anyway, regardless of the ownership situation.
I would like to hear the interview though.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks to all for the kind words.
On the Kemp rumors: what exactly is the point of signing him through his arb years?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
The team would be betting on his continued ascension into stardom. Year-to-year would be more expensive.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, OK
I’ll buy that. But if the team really does think that, if they truly believe that he’s going to be a superstar, then it only makes sense to extend it to a third, fourth, maybe even fifth year. Limiting it to two years, when you already know for sure he’s going to be a Dodger for those two years, seems strange.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 13, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
No long term obligations
as they try to sell the team?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Even on a 3-year deal, Kemp would easily be one of the most desirable trade pieces in MLB
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a two-way street. If Kemp is really concerned about the ownership situation, he might not want to commit to a deal longer than he is contracturally obligated.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Right
which is way he would want multiple bidders for his services after 2012, the earliest possible time, instead of just one team.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
The desire to limit it to two years apparently came from Dave Stewart, Kemp’s agent, in the XM interview with Bowden (but I haven’t heard the audio).
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Music to our ears
from Jeff Fletcher / AOL:
Brian Sabean says Aubrey Huff will be the No. 4 hitter, and may play some OF, in addition to 1B
Kudos, Sabes!
If I were a Giant pitcher I’d be po’d at the defense now laid behind them.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Btw, Fangraphs piece yesterday on Huff signing
was pretty amusing. (Fangraphs link) Though that writer is way overvaluing Fred Lewis’ defense. I don’t know what stats bear out that he’s decent but everytime I’ve seen him he’s been embarrassingly bad.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Grain of salt
though because remember, James Loney started 81 games batting either 4th or 5th in 2009.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Do you mean "grain of salt" or…
… do you mean “glass houses”?
It would have been
cool for James to drive in 100 runs with 10 or less home runs and go the whole season without a home run at Dodger Stadium but he had to spoil that whole angle and start hitting home runs.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 13, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of that prediction for Nomar from... what, 06 or 07?
Nine home runs, 100 RBI.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 13, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
…and as of now they plan to bat Aaron Rowand leadoff and DeRosa (in LF) 5th
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?blogid=22&entry_id=55191
by Eric Stephen on Jan 13, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
de rosa 5th i guess is alright...
and rowand is probably there best option for leadoff although that is pretty sad… but huff 4th is a tragedy.
Fantastic write-up Humma. Kudos to you.
I read the whole thing twice this morning and it sang to me from the screen each time. That is a persuasive case that you lay out for us in a convincing manner.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
great stuff HK
I always liked Maury, and forever will compare Dodger shortstops and lead off hitters to him. You make a compelling case for his entry to the O’Malley Suite.
WILLS
WILLS EASILY BELONGS IN THE OMALLEY SUITE-PEE WEE REESE WAS BETTER BUT WILLS WAS THE 2ND BEST DODGER SHORTSTOP EVER-ANS AVERAGE FIELDER BUT ONE OF THE GREATEST OFFENSE THREATS OF THE 60s-YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO PLAY BASEBALL TO REALLY APPRECIATE HIS ABILITIES-BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE FANS ALWAYS SHOWED HIM WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF HIM AMD THEY STILL DO-THAT BEING SAID IT STILL MIGHT BE TUFF TO PUT HIM IN THE HALL OF FAME-HE IS VERY CLOSE TO IT THOUGH- AS I HAVE SAID FOR A LONG TIME-THE HALL IS BASED WAY TOO MUCH ON OFFENSE—WOULD I TRADE WILLS FOR MARK MCGUIRRE-BOTH IN THIER PRIME—NEVER! YET IF NOT FOR STERIODS MARK WOULD EASILIY BE IN THE HALL-JUST LIKE RALPH KINER IS!!!!!
by spc7@verizon.net on Jan 14, 2010 5:43 PM PST reply actions
YOU HAD TO SEE HIM PLAY
Maury dominated the game. Teams feared him so much that they would change the lay of the infield base lines packing them high with dirt so bunted balls would roll out foul.
Teams would water the infield around first base to the degree that it was like mud just to slow Maury down.
On base the whole team was focused on him and not the batter. He would take 10-12 pick-off attempts per pitch at times. The Dodgers would win because he distracted the play. When he came to bat everyone would stop and watch.
Wills learned to bat left handed because he was three steps closer to first base.
His 208 hits and 104 stolen bases created a dominance of the game rarely see. Before or since.
He was the 1962 MVP
sometimes stats don't paint the whole picture
I agree you had to see him play. More than once during the pre-game shows from candlestick, Vinny would mention how the groundskeepers were out on the field watering down the dirt between first and second and then linger with their hoses even longer close to the first base bag. It is difficult at best to paint an accurate picture of what Dodger games were like back then, as no other club has done so much with so little offense. Wills impact on the games he played in was more than palpable but almost impossible to quantify with numbers. Doubtless the Dodgers premier offensive weapon ( if only Tommy D had not broken his ankle :-( ) from 1961-66 he helped the Dodgers reach post-season play 4 times in those years alone. Cheap MVP in 62 ? Maybe, but he was 9th in mvp voting in 61, 3rd in 65. After being traded away (for two players), drafted in the expansion draft, and finally returning to LA, with Manny Mota in tow, he finished 6th in MVP voting in 1971. Now I am as willing as anyone to dismiss writers/voters when it comes to awards etc. But it seems that this continuous acknowledgement of his skills and their IMPACT speaks of someone who was more than a just a good player. No one had seen the stolen base be used this effectively on a consistent basis in a long time. Average fielder ? Usually in the top third of the league in put outs and assists. I can recall more than a few times when Jerry or Vin would remark about a brilliant play he made but I can’t remember any commentary about him lacking range or having a weak arm. I don’t believe the need to address his durability or leaderships skills even comes into question when considering whether or not he belongs in any Dodger inner sanctum. But if his on the field skills were not enough these strong characteristics should provide the key to unlock the doors of this mythical palace where a throne should indeed be set aside for Maury Wills to sit in repose.
Frankly, the last thing I expected this post would generate is a whole bunch of “you had to see him play” comments. I thought I was pretty fair to Wills.
I’m unmoved by the idea that “you had to see him play.” I was born too late and I never saw Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron or Willie Mays or Sandy Koufax or Honus Wagner play, but I know they were great, because — in no particular order — (a) contemporary accounts tell me they were great; (b) people learned about the game tell me they were great; and © their statistical history tells me they were great. ALL of those things.
I’m willing to give Wills the most charitable reading I can for this exercise. And like I say, as a Dodger legend, a Lord of the Ravine, he’s got a strong case. But the idea that Wills has somehow been unfairly shafted with the fuzzy end of the historical lollipop is wrong.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 20, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
the fuzzy end of the historical lollipop
Very nice!
by Eric Stephen on Jan 20, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed! That line alone demands a rec.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jan 20, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Wish I could claim credit. If you’re gonna steal, steal from the best, and Billy Wilder was the best.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 20, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Funny, I took the “see him play” comments to be more directed at the critics cited within your piece.
Regarding defense, it occurs to me that even if Wills was merely an average – or even slightly below average – SS, he was still a major-league SS for a number of years. I would be hesitant to discount a guy too much for being only average at the most important defensive position between the foul lines; he’s probably still providing more defensive value than a plus 2B/3B, a plus-plus corner OF, or a plus-plus-plus 1B.
Additionally, having a SS able to fill an important offensive slot in the batting order is a plus, whether that is a power spot, e.g., ARod, Hanley, or leadoff like Wills.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jan 20, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I see nothing wrong with the
You had to seem him play crowd. If they were there they saw/felt something that can’t be explained by someone who wasn’t. Could anyone really explain Fernandomania except someone who was there. As Eric talks about it, those of us who remembered are awash in memories of the moment, for those who weren’t nobodies description can do it justice. The same may very well be true of the early 60’s Maury Wills.
Yeah, I have enjoyed the comments and input from everybody on all of the Lords of the Ravine pieces so far. If anything, this series has allowed many to have fond remembrances, and allowed many more to learn about someone they never saw play.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I Did See
him play and thought that Humma gave justice to him in the write-up as deserving to be considered among the elite. Now as for those finicky voters…

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