Davey Lopes, righting a wrong
Is Davey Lopes worthy to sit in the Walter O'Malley Suite and become a 1st ballot member of the Vin Scully Lords of the Ravine?
I did not appreciate Davey Lopes enough when he was our 2nd baseman. This is my attempt to right that wrong.
I've disliked Davey Lopes since 1973 for for two reasons.
The first was because he had the audacity to win the 2nd base job in 1973 over Lee Lacy. Lee Lacy had captured my 14 year old fancy when he made his MLB debut in 1972 on June 30th. Back then they only televised Sunday away games so it was not until his 9th game that I got to see him in action. He had three hits against HOF Tom Seaver, and from that point on he would become one of my favorite Dodgers. Lacy would start at 2nd the rest of the season until a 27 year old journeyman 2nd baseman showed up on Sept 22nd and proceeded to start the rest of the season.
As the Dodgers went into spring training I think everyone at the time felt that Lee Lacy would be the Dodger 2nd baseman for the next decade. He had jumped from AA to the major leagues and looked like the man for the job. Sure Davey Lopes was in camp and it was a competition but the man hadn't even made his major league debut until he was 27. What could he possibly offer the team over the line drives of Lee Lacy?
Turns out he could offer plenty. Davey Lopes ticked off this writer by winning that job and then keeping that job from 1973 - 1981. What is remarkable about Lopes is just like Maury Wills he didn't get started until most elite players have already been around for four - five years. He was converted from the outfield to 2nd base, and after laboring in AAA for three years became an integral piece to the most famous infield in LA Dodger history (make that baseball history).
The 2nd was because I admired Jim Bouton the famed writer of Ball Four. In 1978 Bouton decided to attempt a comeback simply because he still loved the game and wanted to pitch. In the first game back the Braves were playing the Dodgers and Lopes hit a home run against him, and then proceeded to hold his arm over his head as he circled the bases in contempt of Bouton. I don't know what to say but I hated him for that showboating.
Drafted in the 2nd round of the famous 1968 draft with the 26th pick he was already 23 years old when he played his first professional game. Davey Lopes was not a friendly player. He did not cater to fans like Steve Garvey, and he didn't catch the fans imagination like the Penguin. He may have been a part of the most famous infield since Tinkers to Evers to Chance trio but he always seemed to be the after thought. No false hustle from Davey Lopes, he rarely if ever dived for a ground ball, explaining that if he had to dive the runner was going to be safe so what was the point. Fans didn't quite agree and watching 2nd baseman sprawl and throw out runners made me wonder about his logic. As I said, I didn't like Lopes.
One can dislike a player and still appreciate him, and Davey Lopes did so much for the Dodgers during his era you had to appreciate him. His greatest skill was the stolen base and not because he accumulated stolen bases but because he did it with deadly efficiency. In his career he stole 555 bases and was only caught 114 times. While with the Dodgers he stole 418 bases and was only caught 83 times ( 83% success rate). To put that into perspective Maury Wills was caught 170 times while stealing 590 bases. Willie Davis was caught 116 times while only stealing 335 bases. In 1975 Lopes stole 38 straight bases which at the time was the modern day record. Davey Lopes was the greatest base stealer in Los Angeles Dodger history, not Maury Wills.
Below is the table of the greatest stolen base artists since 1958. Only 15 have had a success rate of over 80% when having stolen 300 or more bases. Davey Lopes is an elite class of thief.
The thing about the chart below. Eric Davis and Barry Larkin played on the same team and they both were the most complete player you could ask for. Speed, power, patience, defensive skill at a skilled position. Eric Davis had injuries which sapped his career but even more then Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin is a HOF player.
| Player | SB | Age | CS | SB% |
| Tim Raines | 808 | 19-42 | 146 | 84.70% |
| Eric Davis | 349 | 22-39 | 66 | 84.10% |
| Willie Wilson | 668 | 20-38 | 134 | 83.29% |
| Barry Larkin | 379 | 22-40 | 77 | 83.11% |
| Tony Womack | 363 | 23-36 | 74 | 83.07% |
| Davey Lopes | 557 | 27-42 | 114 | 83.01% |
| Jimmy Rollins | 326 | 21-30 | 69 | 82.53% |
| Carl Crawford | 362 | 20-27 | 80 | 81.90% |
| Julio Cruz | 343 | 22-31 | 78 | 81.47% |
| Ichiro Suzuki | 341 | 27-35 | 79 | 81.19% |
| Joe Morgan | 689 | 19-40 | 162 | 80.96% |
| Vince Coleman | 752 | 23-35 | 177 | 80.95% |
| Rickey Henderson | 1406 | 20-44 | 335 | 80.76% |
| Roberto Alomar | 474 | 20-36 | 114 | 80.61% |
| Jose Reyes | 301 | 20-26 | 75 | 80.05% |
Now you don't get to be in the Lords of the Ravine simply by being the best in one category. Davey Lopes did not just steal bases, he did many things well.
- Hit 99 home runs to lead all Los Angeles Dodger 2nd baseman. Jeff Kent is 2nd with 75.
- Scored 759 runs to lead all Los Angeles Dodger 2nd baseman by over 200
- Walked 603 times to lead all Los Angeles Dodger 2nd baseman by over 300 walks
- Four time All-Star
- Hit 28 home runs in 1979 which by the way was more then Joe Morgan ever hit. From 1958 - 1981 his 28 home runs the 3rd most ever hit. Since then the league has been swallowed up by big 2nd baseman but at the time, 28 home runs by a 2nd baseman was big news.
- Was a solid lead off hitter. Had a great walk rate but his OB suffered due to his very average average. An OB of .349 during his Dodger career and .352 as a lead off hitter.
- Was the star of the 1978 postseason and did everything he could do to bring the Dodgers a World Series. In the NLCS he had an OPS of 1.278 with 16 total bases in 18 plate appearances. In the World Series he was even better when he slugged three home runs and drove in 7 runs. The single best offensive World Series performance by a Los Angeles Dodger. Charlie Neal in 1959, Ron Fairly in 1965, and Ron Cey with Pedro in 81 all great offensive World Series and all in a winning cause but none of them ever hit 3 home runs and drove in 7 rbi's. If the Dodgers had won the 78 Series would Davey Lopes have a different legacy?
- On August 20, 1974, Lopes hit three home runs, a double, and a single for 15 total bases. That was the LA Dodger record until Shawn Green hit four home runs over 25 years later.
- The baseball page ranks Davey Lopes as the 24 best 2nd baseman in baseball history. Interesting info, Garvey, Lopes, and Cey played together from 1974 - 1981 and according the www.baseballpage all three of them were the 23-24th best at their position in the history of baseball. Now that is an infield.
- The great moustache as chronicled by Josh Wilker
- For most of his career he was overshadowed by a peer who many consider the best 2nd baseman to ever play the game. Everything Davey Lopes could do well, Joe Morgan could do better, sometimes much better. Except stolen bases, Davey Lopes might win the argument as the best base stealer between the two of them.
Davey Lopes would finish his Dodger career in fine style with the elusive World Championship in 1981. He would be the first of the famed infield to be replaced as the young fresh Steve Sax was ready for his time to shine. I'm not sure but I think Lopes caught the last out of the 81 series. It was fitting.
My own recollection is that Lopes was oft injured in 81 and many felt Sax should already be starting. Lopes was now 36 years and it didn't seem he had much left in the tank. But he surprised everyone by switching to the outfield and playing until he was 42 years old.
This has nothing to do with his Dodger legacy but the greatest skill Davey Lopes had as a ballplayer has shown up time and time again wherever he coaches. Whoever he's coaching gets the benefit of his basestealing skills as his teams have one of the highest stolen base rates year in and year out.
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I don’t really remember watching Lopes play, except maybe in the periphery on the Astros and Cubs. It was nice seeing him on the 1986 Astros this weekend as the NLCS was on MLB Network.
I do remember Lopes had the 1987 Topps record breaker for most steals by a 40-year old

As I recall
he became a pretty good outfielder at the age of 38. His splits are interesting he torched LHP for a 2nd baseman with a slug% over .450.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
At least I find that impressive
Kensai would be unimpressed.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
After he played 2B for Oakland in 1982-1983 (and part of 1984), he became Mr. Utility, mostly playing OF & 3B for the Cubs and Astros.
The A’s moved on to another aging superstar* 2B in 1984, in Joe Morgan.
*I’m fudging with the superstar tag, because nobody thought Lopes was, but they probably should have.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Cardboard Gods
Thanks for that link, Phil. I don’t read Josh Wilker nearly as often as I should anymore.
He has a book coming out on April 1, and yes I will be purchasing it.
Me either
I blame the demise of the toaster.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
“The baseball page ranks Davey Lopes as the 24 best 2nd baseman in baseball history.”
Interestingly — at least, interesting to me — Maury Wills ranks exactly the same among shortstops on the baseball page — #24 all time. FWIW, Bill James has Wills #19 at SS and Lopes #23 at 2B. Of course, that’s a good rank and a fine career, but I think it’s on the wrong side of the dividing line between the great and the very good. We’re talking inner-circle Lords of the Ravine here. Is Top 25 all time enough of a threshold to merit a vote? Maybe it is… but in my opinion, I’d go another way…
Your reference to Tinker-Evers-Chance is on, of course, and perhaps that’s the thing to do with the infield of the 1970s: elect them together. Put them on a single card. Dodger history is not complete without them, but perhaps they stand out as a group rather than together.
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that should say
“rather than individually.”
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 12, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
24th in history of baseball is very impressive to me.
The voters will have to decide if only the best like Koufax / Piazza get in on the first ballot or if the likes of the Cey, Drysdale, Lopes, Sutton, Fernando, Wills, and others get in. I don’t see how you can put in Drysdale and not put in Sutton or Cey and not Lopes. So either they will create a dividing line of the super elite or we will get a large group.
I know which way I’m leaning but I have no idea how the voters will lean.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Drysdale gets bonus points
For being the Dodgers very capable #2 announcer behind Vin for a number of years, and he was good enough to be a national broadcaster for ABC for a number of years prior to taking the Dodger job.
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by David Young on Jan 12, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that drawing lines between Cey and Lopes (and Garvey, too) is very difficult, and that’s kind of my point. None of the members of the infield, individually, is a slam-dunk sure vote. Especially if you’re going to use a stats-based argument. Each of them is flawed in some way.
It is the fact that they were together that makes them special. Individually, they were merely very good, but as a foundation for a team, they were extraordinary.
This might make me strange, and I’m not sure I have a leg to stand on here, but my initial thought is that I’d be comfortable limiting myself to six votes (rather than ten) and giving one to “the infield,” together, but less comfortable using all ten and giving three of them to put in Garvey, Lopes and Cey individually. But maybe that doesn’t make any sense. I have to think about that.
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by Humma Kavula on Jan 12, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Great write-up
The thing I remember most about Lopes was his sneaky power, so to speak. Pitchers were afraid to let him get on base, and when they made a mistake he pounced.
I’m not sure but I think Lopes caught the last out of the 81 series.
I still have a mental picture of Ken Landreaux catching a routine fly ball in CF to end the 1981 World Series, punctuating it with a bit of a bunny hop before the director cut to the shot of the players swarming near the center of the diamond.
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I'll defer
to your memory. I have this visual of Lopes catching a last out of something important but it could have been any of the NLCS champion series.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Screw our aging memories. We can look this shit up these days. (Landreaux, as a defensive replacement. The starting CF that day was Pedro Guerrero!)
On a related topic (age), I’m really enjoying “Men Of A Certain Age” so far. Of course, it probably helps that I am a man of a certain age myself.
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by David Young on Jan 12, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Lopes did field the grounder with two on and two outs to end the 1981 NLCS against the Expos, after Monday’s big HR in the top of the ninth for the 2-1 lead.
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by David Young on Jan 12, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
While a little younger than Phil – I was not yet 12 when Lee Lacy debuted – I also remember Lacy’s first year well, and we all had the same thoughts that he was going to be the man at 2B. After all, he was still a .300+ hitter after his first 20 games in the bigs!
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I remember both Lopes and Russell being criticized for rarely, if ever, diving for ground balls. I recall reading or hearing an explanation that both were converted OFs (definitely true) and as such had been taught never to dive for grounders, and hadn’t really developed the skill to do it.
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Ron Cey
on the other had dived for every ground ball to his left or right because that was his range. Or so it seemed.
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by Phil Gurnee on Jan 12, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Was that a dive or a turn and fall?
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by David Young on Jan 12, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, excellent write up
That is some set of points to ponder.
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The Conan O’Brien press release is pretty classic. I especially like that it begins with “People of Earth…”
and it ended up being about his hair.
NBC really has egg on their face over this one. There was no chance the Leno show at 10:00 was going to fly, now they will end up with a pissed off audience at all levels. Conan’s fans are not going to watch Leno because they will feel he screwed him. Wonder what Craig thinks about all this.
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I thought it was a odd move when announced and when I saw the first couple nights of the prime-time Leno show, I knew NBC had really screwed the pooch. Leno was getting tired at 11:30, but NBC just put on the same tired show at 10:00, slightly face-lifted and tummy-tucked by a credit plastic surgeon. For it even to have a shot of working, that show needed a lot more infusion than what it got.
I buy Conan’s argument that timeslot matters for the Tonight Show. Does anyone DVR that show nightly or watch it on the internet later? I doubt it. Maybe hardcore fans of the music guest that night. Most folks watch those shows after the news show of their choice, while they get ready for bed.
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I think the whole genre is dead. I would much rather DVR a 30 minute show like Chelsea Lately where they talk a lot of shit, interview a celeb, it is on at 8p, and I am done with it in 17 minutes. I am their demo, and at 1130 it is PS3 time.
Plus, the 11p lead in news has no interesting stories. CBS news lead last night was a pedestrian hit and run that happened 3 weeks ago on 43rd and Main that I read about back then. All the real LA news is on blogs now. Sad.
No room to record it anyways. My DVR is full of different who killed Tupac documentaries. I think I solved it today on my lunch break as a matter of fact.
Tupac's killer...
you guessed it, Frank Stallone.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not in the demo
they seek but I’ve never been one to watch the late night talk shows.
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Chelsea Lately
Nice. Funny show, particularly when she’s got some funny panelists on (which is basically everybody except that one dude who works at E! and tries to defend every celebrity they bash.) I actually wish she didn’t even do the celebrity interview, but it doesn’t dominate the show…
by Michael White on Jan 12, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I never watch that, but I’ve been hearing good things. I think Chelsea rubbed me the wrong way (not literally) when I first saw her work, so I ignored her show. But I like some of the regulars on the show, like Jen Kirkman, Natasha Leggero, et al, so I should give it a try.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Neither hold a candle to Whitney Cummings :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Chuy was sitting front row behind the screen at a game in August with 2 tall blonde women. He sat his beer on the cement behind the screen. 99 hit a foul ball that went straight back and hit the beer square and splashed the entire beer on Chuy and his ladies.
I find the mental picture of that incident you have described absolutely hilarious.
Chuy is a pretty funny dude too, he can bring the pain with the one liners when needed.
by Michael White on Jan 12, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Jones - DFA
Don’t think this was mentioned yet. Former top Braves’ OF prospect with tools. Worth trading for right now.
ESPN "Rumor Central" -- not a fan of Blake DeWitt (or reporting)
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors#4277
they also have a need at second base, where Ronnie Belliard and Orlando Hudson are off to free agency. Colletti did bring in Jamey Carroll, who currently is the team’s only second baseman on the roster, but if they want to repeat as NL West kings, more might be necessary.
The bad news continues, however, because unless they are dipping back into the Belliard or Hudson waters, there isn’t much left to acquire. Felipe Lopez is available, but as a Scott Boras client may want more than the Dodgers can afford.
Colletti may need to go the trade route, which could get interesting. We talked earlier today about the potential availability of Tampa Bay Rays infielder Willy Aybar, who could start at second for the Dodgers. Tampa could use a little bit more pitching, and guess what? Los Angeles has a few pieces they could spare.
It doesn’t take much time to do a simple Google search and realize the Dodgers are going with a DeWitt / Carroll combo at 2B, yet ESPN fails to mention DeWitt at all. Sloppy.
Yet
I remember thinking Aybar could be a decent fit for this team. Just because we have DeWitt/Carrol as our possible 2nd base combination doesn’t mean anyone has to buy it. We thought the same thing last year at this time before Hudson landed in our lap. Very possible no one considers DeWitt a viable option even if he is on our depth chart.
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The team has been pretty straightforward though in at least publicly claiming DeWitt and Carroll will share time. All the anonymous ESPN writer would have to do is mention DeWitt and claim he’s not an option, which is of course a valid opinion. I contend that he wasn’t mentioned because whomever wrote that blurb was just lazy.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, you’d have to at least acknowledge that DeWitt played (what was it, 40 games? at 3B) two seasons ago, and started at 2B in the NLCS that year. I think whoever wrote that has never heard of DeWitt.
And you have to pay extra for that crap
judging solely by “insider” in the link.
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And we wonder
why there are less than informed fans in the world. Pretty rough when the largest sports news reporting agency in the world can’t even mention a guy who was a starter in the playoffs less than 18 months ago.
lopes
i missed this excellent post before it devolved into conan/leno talk, but i’ll say this: lopes came to my high school in the late ‘70s and showed us stuff about base stealing. (i was too slow for it to matter, but i’m sure it was solid info). anyway, while i don’t recall that he was particularly nice, he also wasn’t rude. he treated us like ballplayers (we weren’t, really, but he was cool enough to pretend), so i’d go with that vs. the raised arm thing against bouton in deciding if he was/wasn’t a pud.
I can actually understand why ballplayers hated Bouton given that he gave so many of their secrets away. The thing I took away most from Ball 4 wasn’t the greenies or the girls, the shocker to me was just how ignorant the players and coaches were outside of the diamond. Not many bright bulbs but they were funny in a low denominator sort of way.
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I was cruising the Marlins website
And noticed they are really building that new stadium. There are construction photos. I thought that was still all talk.
I would not doubt it
The renderings of the final product look sweet. The retro themed stadiums are so done. Glad this is not one.
Not nearly
as cool as the rendering we saw for the Tampa Bay stadium. I thought the retro themed stadium were the best thing to happen to baseball.
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I have to disagree
i absolutely adore the retro themed stadiums
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
Kaman player of the week again. Big game tonight against the Grizzlies as the Clips have the current longest winning streak. I loved this quote at Basketball Prospectus
Steve (North Dakota): What would you consider the most untradable contract in the NBA?
Kevin Pelton (Basketball): Hmm … a combination of years remaining and dollars per year. I would say, off the top of my head, probably Elton Brand.
Two years in a row the Clippers have been extremely lucky. Elton turning his back on a verbal commitment thus allowing the team to have a chance with ping bong balls and then the balls actually working out for them to pick Blake Griffin.
Nice interview with Kaman at the Daily News, he basically doesn’t want to talk to Bonsignore because he’s afraid of jinxing his great start.
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/sports/ci_14168175
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Tough matchup tonight. Memphis just lost on a buzzer beater to Charlotte and playing at home. Gay is struggling but I’m not sure who on the Clippers can stop him. Randolph will get his points, the Clips just can’t let Gay throw down 30.
by Michael White on Jan 12, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
DeAndre Jordan
says bite me.
How about those free throws., Wally Pipp is looking in:)
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Baron
with 17 Points, 9 Rebounds, 9 Assists in the 1st half
DeAndre starting for Kaman 17 points 6/6 from the field. Made 5/5 from the free throw line before bricking the last two. This from a guy shooting less then 30% from the free throw line.
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LOpes was one of my favorites in 1974
As soon as he shared a joint with me and some friends at a Dodger party in San Diego. Those were the days.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Did you read
Josh Wilker’s story, your comment leads in perfectly.
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Question for Eric "Dr. Research" Stephen
If and when the Rule 5 guys are removed from the 40-man roster, will they technically be DFA? In other words, we have 10 days to waive, trade or release them just like anyone else. Just wanted to make sure I have that right.
When he’s not busy ignoring my advice to punch Maurice Clarrett in the face, former Trojan Mike Williams has had some pretty funny tweets about the new hire.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Kiffin one and done at Tennessee, eh?
Norm Chow apparently crossing town back to USC as well.
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Went last year
to the Scully / Wooden event. Koufax will be interesting, Torre not so much.
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I found TBLA right after that
I was looking for the name of the poem Wooden recited and discovered the piece you wrote that had “Yonder” in it.
Wasn’t that 2008?
Your are correct
Summer of 2008. Time flies, but it was a memorable evening.
http://www.truebluela.com/2008/6/13/551851/pearls-of-wisdom
He was 97 then so I guess he’s 98 now going on 99. Hope he makes 100
Not to be nit picky but I think Sandy Koufax and Jerry West would have been a great combo.
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Nice therapy post with Lopes
I did the same with my Osteen (as a kid at the time I hated that they traded away Hondo for him).
I went throug the Lee Lacy trauma as well, but always liked Lopes starting with the Portuguese surname. I lived in the “Tunaville” section of SD at the time and had a thing for their women (girls actually).
Take this with a pound of salt
since it is from the apparent Twitter feed of Jim Bowden:
Dave Stewart, agent for Matt Kemp says he is close to a 2-year deal with the Dodgers, not a longer term deal because of the ownership situation
It would be more believable if that account didn’t keep deleting all old tweets.
If only would show him how to use it :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t get the deleting tweets myself, but MLBTR, ESPN, etc has been using it and Jim Bowden talks about the damn thing when he’s subbing for the noon show on Fox Sports radio.
But knowing he was subbing for the noon show would require listening in and around that time. No thanks :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp deal
If true, this is huge. I am projecting Kemp to earn AT LEAST 10 million through 2011. You’ve gotta think we got a small discount here (maybe 9M, broken down like 3.5 and 5.5).
That sounds about right, but he might get more. 3.5/5.5 is exactly what Curtis Granderson in his first two arb years with Detroit, as part of a multi-year deal (2009-2010). Granderson signed his deal two years before his 4th year though.
Markakis gets $10.45m over the same two years (including the signing bonus spread out over 6 years), and even though he’s not a CF I gotta believe that is the starting point for Kemp for those two years, if in fact the contract is that short.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Another thing
I’m having trouble with, at least logically, is that the Dodgers’ ownership situation is keeping Kemp from signing through all three arb years. No matter who the Dodgers’ owner is, Kemp is still a Dodger in 2012. I get it if Kemp thinks he can get more in that final arb year, but I don’t see what the ownership situation has to do with it.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think the fact they haven’t approached Bills about the same deal sucks. This guy was maybe the best pitcher in the NL last April.
by silverwidow on Jan 12, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
What’s the harder position to play defensively, catcher or Shortstop?
If its catcher, why do we require a higher offensive threshold than shortstop?
I would say definitely shortstop
And we have a higher standard for power for a catcher because a catcher can develop their body which improves their power. You can be bulky and play catcher. To play defense you need to stay lean, or be Alex Rodriguez.
by Michael White on Jan 12, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
That’s as good an explanation as any.
I would argue that catcher is a wear & tear position that might make it harder (not skill wise but physically), but that lends to your point of needing a stronger, more powerful body to play the backstop.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
catcher...
has a higher positional advantage thing too for war and stupid stuff like that… if i remmeber correctly it was 12 for catcher and 7.5 for SS
for war and stupid stuff like that
That’s enough. We get it; you don’t like WAR. Stop being childish.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 12, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
alright look
ill explain why i said stupid stuff like that…
i was debating whether to say it or not and i was like yeah… if i didnt say it… you guys would be like “What happened ??? i thought you hated war… now you are using it for info…”
so i decided to just write it…
WAR can be pretty useful because it takes into consideration offense, defense, and position. I don’t think it’s perfect because what if there is a shortstop, and he gets helped in WAR because he plays shortstop, but he’s a butcher with the glove and has no range. In that case it SHOULD hurt his value by playing ss, but he’ll still get a little boost.
Even with that though, I think WAR is a great way to show player value.
Is anyone else having problems with Twitter? I am having a hard time getting my feed to load (using the website, not another client)
I was a day late, but after watching last night’s HIMYM, I’m with mwhite06: that show pisses me off sometimes. Stop dicking around!
I'm in the same boat as Phil
I dislike Lopes, but there’s no denying that he was a phenomenally effective player. The statistics of his teams as a coach also support the notion that he’s one of the best baserunning coaches in the history of baseball.
He’s also one of the most thoroughly dislikeable people I’ve ever met, but that doesn’t really matter here. I imagine I’ll still vote for him as an inner circle guy.
You probably needed to meet him under better circumstances, you know, like Marty did. He did always strike me as likely to be quite the irascible character though.
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