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Dodgers Ink Kemp, Billingsley, Avoid Arbitration

Ken Gurnick of MLB.com has reported on the signings of two arbitration eligible Dodgers, Matt Kemp and Chad Billingsley.  Billingsley signed a one-year, $3.85 million deal, and Kemp signed for two seasons at "almost $11 million."  Regarding Kemp, Gurnick reported that the agreement is preliminary pending a physical.  I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Kemp passes that exam.

Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times reports that Kemp's deal is for $10.95 million, including $4 million in 2010.  Tony Jackson of ESPN.com adds that Kemp's $6.95 million salary in 2011 also has "up to $600,000 in bonuses based on his 2010 plate appearances."

Kemp and Billingsley were each arbitration eligible for the first time this season, and are arbitration eligible through 2012.  Kemp made $467,000 last year, and Billingsley made $475,000.  This is a big day for Dodger draftees, as Chad Billingsley (1st round) and Matt Kemp (6th round) were both drafted in 2003, and their agent, former pitcher Dave Stewart, was drafted by the Dodgers in the 16th round in 1975.

Jackson noted that Billingsley's negotiations may not be over:

Stewart said he might continue to negotiate with Dodgers officials on getting an additional year for Billingsley, buying him out of arbitration next winter as well. But Stewart added that those negotiations won't continue beyond the end of spring training.

The Dodgers still have six more players eligible for arbitration: Andre Ethier, Jonathan Broxton, James Loney, Russell Martin, George Sherrill, and Hong-Chih Kuo.  If deals can't be reached by Tuesday, both club and player will submit salary figures for a potential February arbitration hearing.

Previously: The Matt Kemp Offseason Extravaganza Continues, and A Look at Billingsley & His Peers

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Multi-year deals require physicals only? Is that how it works?

by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure. Maybe they have a more recent physical from Chad (insert joke about gynecological visit here)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe your assumption is correct. I haven’t confirmed though.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

What’s the point of a two year deal? When this new contract expires, Kemp will be a year away from Free Agency. Wonderful.

by Torre is a tactical genius on Jan 15, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

For Kemp: it’s his first big payday, likely around $10 million, and he can be set for life in case he suffers a career-ending injury

For Dodgers: if Kemp keeps progressing like he has been, he probably would make more in arbitration in 2011 than he will be getting paid, so they save a million or two. Plus, they get some cost certainty.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

… cost certainty for potential buyers …

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Predictability

Firms up the price of the Dodgers

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice deal for Chad

a little bit higher than your estimate, though you were pretty darn close

by Michael White on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

The deal was brought together when I changed my estimate from $4m to $3.75m. They settled at near the midpoint. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Eric’s estimate: $3.75M. good job.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I need to do well on these, since there is a good chance I will get killed in my Ethier / Martin predictions :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Scandalous considering it’s his first arbitration year and he was garbage last season, would’ve like to see him go to arbitration and lose.

by Torre is a tactical genius on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You should read the link above from a few days ago. Billingsley is/was not “garbage,” but rather compared very favorably to pitchers who got contracts similar to his $3.85m.

Thanks for playing though.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Bills should’ve gotten no more than 3.25 as a first year eligible player, he was horrible last year.

by Torre is a tactical genius on Jan 15, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Your statement has no basis in fact, and sounds like the ramblings of a drunk fan

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I am really hoping by his name

That he is a parody of stupid LA fans.

by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Show your work

How did you arrive at that number?

In what way was he horrible last year? Horrible compared to what exactly?

by Michael White on Jan 15, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit submitted 3.2 for Verlander after 2008, they ultimately settled on a long term deal though.

by Torre is a tactical genius on Jan 15, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

No they didn’t. He signed a one-year deal for $3.675m. Coming off a worse year than Bills had. They had similar career W-L, and WAR numbers, and Chad had the better ERA+.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit submitted 3.2M for arbitration. That is fact, Verlander wanted 4.15M. Verlander pitched in a superior league quite frankly, you can’t compare say Bills was better.

by Torre is a tactical genius on Jan 15, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit submitted 3.2M for arbitration. That is fact, Verlander wanted 4.15M

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3882150

The only fact that matters is they agreed on a fucking contract for $3.675m. That is the comp.

Verlander pitched in a superior league quite frankly, you can’t compare say Bills was better.

Adjusted for park and league, Verlander’s ERA+ was 93. Bills was 98. Verlander was 11-17. Bills was 12-11.

If you are going to post here, don’t be an idiot.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus you already laid out, that Billingsley had superior numbers for his first three years of service time than Verlander did, again adjusted for park and league.

by Michael White on Jan 15, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks to Baseball Prospectus, we can see that Verlander did face tougher opponents in 2008 than Billingsley did in 2009.

Verlander 2008: .264/.334/.417 (.752 OPS)
Billingsley 2009: .253/.326/.403 (.729 OPS)

But Billingsley also had the higher Value Over Replacement Player (VORP), 23.9 to 12.1

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh god

he actually is just stupid.

by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if he's

good friends with “Roy Hobbs” on DT…?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Compared to Phillies Post-season pitching

Bills best days are ahead, not behind him, don’t dwell in the past.

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

All-Star first half, stumbled badly in the second half after the hammy problem = 98 ERA+, essentially league average, does not equal “horrible”.

In major league baseball, $500,000 is hardly “scandalous”.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

This post is Dodgers.com calibre.

by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Okey dokey

Care to defend that position at all?

by Michael White on Jan 15, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

1. It is in family with comparable pitchers at arbitration eligibility.
2. What would be the point of seeing them go to arb and lose?
3. He was great for at least half the season – named an All-Star.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Post updated above with this info

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Rumor that Kemp’s physical is being vouched for by Rhianna. (Too easy?)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

I like it

The Rihanna humor should last us clear through the all star break as far as I’m concerned

by Michael White on Jan 15, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially

If Kemp and Rihanna go all Ray J & Kardashian and “accidentally” release a home a video

by BFDC on Jan 15, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be titled

THAT’S Why They Call Him The →→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→→

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Dave Stewart at Home Depot buying a crowbar to pry Matt’s hands off her ass long enough to sign the contract.

by delias man on Jan 15, 2010 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

I tweeted earlier that Stew’s glare probably moved along the negotiations; hence his two clients got deals done.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Hear Hear

for having Dave Stewart rep both Kemp and Billingsley.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

A big day for Dodgers draftees

Dave Stewart (1975, 16th rd)
Chad Billingsley (2003, 1st rd)
Matt Kemp (2003, 6th rd)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

When Chad Billingsley has a great 2010, they’re going to have a special game where the AYCE RF pavilion serves only crow.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

So why the fuck

Did we only lock him in for two when now is the time to buy low?

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he wasn’t interested and prefer to revisit that topic after putting up a better season in 2010?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 16, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I am too lazy to re-post it but I listed the current active roster in the previous thread

With the names of the GMs that were there when they were signed. Ned signed 9, Evans signed 7, DePodesta with 2 and Malone with 1.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2010 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

Don’t worry about it. You don’t need facts to back you up; you can make any claim you want, just like Torre is a tactical genius. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to assume you put this in the wrong place

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

He is very worked up!

by delias man on Jan 15, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor attempt at snark. No ill will aimed at BHSportsGuy, other than lightly chiding him for not cutting & pasting :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

http://firstpersontetris.com/

This is so cool! Took it off of Kevin Goldstein’s twitter page.

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

Awesome

I saw that the other night, and ended up wasting an hour before I knew what hit me.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I couldn’t even finish 10 lines yet. :(

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I failed a few times, as it is very confusing, but then I got on a run and got something like 50 lines. I was quite pleased. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

So who do you think

we will not settle with and actually go to arbitration with? Kuo really needs a decent payday, with his arm he may never get another one.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

No arbitration hearings for anyone, that’s my guess. They might exchange figures on Tuesday with some, including Ethier, but ultimately all six remaining deals will get done.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet we hear something on Broxton next.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The only arbitration hearing I want to see is Timmah’s.

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see the figures that each side submits. Its like a real life version of the goofy situations that game theorists come up with.

by prosellis on Jan 15, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

We will definitely go to arbitration with Martin. Ng will win of course. :)

Ethier is a possibility, too.

by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a guess, but probably something like $4.25m/$6.5m or something like that

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

A brief note about the Clippers

From ESPN.com – http://bit.ly/4MIxAK

Numbers about the Clippers

1: Since 1976, only one player drafted by the Clippers’ franchise — starting with the final three drafts conducted by the Buffalo Braves before the franchise relocated to San Diego — has made it to the All-Star Game as a Clipper. That would be Danny Manning, who earned All-Star status with the Clips in 1993 and 1994.

4: Griffin is just the fourth player in the common draft era (since 1966) to miss his entire first season in the NBA after being drafted. The only others are Greg Oden (who sat out the 2007-08 season with a knee injury), David Robinson (who missed the 1987-88 season because of his Naval commitment) and David Thompson (who went directly to the ABA in 1975-76).

by bhsportsguy on Jan 15, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

Hooray!

From Dylan Hernandez:

The Dodgers are among the teams that will be in attendance when Ben Sheets throws for scouts on Tuesday, according to a team official

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Since McCourt fired half our scouts, we will probably just be sending a ballboy

by BFDC on Jan 15, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Lasorda will be there? He did manage him on the USA team after all.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm unaware of this information

Did you just make that up or do you information that we are unaware of?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

This is welcome news.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Underdog will be pleased

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I am indeed

even though I realize it’s probably all a pipe dream. Either he’ll look great and be too pricey for them or look crappy and then why bother? But let me dream for a couple of days… ;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jan 15, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

More from Dylan
Kemp’s two-year deal with the Dodgers is worth $10.95 million. He will earn $4 million this year

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Eric, how much do you think Kemp is forfeiting in 2011? This assumes he has a 30/30 type year.

by silverwidow on Jan 15, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I could see him getting $8m or something in 2011. Best case scenario is that the Dodgers probably saved $1.5-2m (I’m thinking something like $4.25m/$8.5m tops in arbitration)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

taking a stab at it.

On the 20/40/60/80 scale, these are Kemps 40/60 years. For simplicity let’s call Kemp a 4 WAR player and 1 WAR = $3.5M for this and next year.

2010: 0.4 * 4.0 * 3.5 = $5.6M
2011: 0.6 * 4.0 * 3.5 = $8.4M
Total: $14M
Settled for $10.95M
Skinny: $3M discount to Dodgers for certainty of two year pay out.

My numbers of course could be off if you value his WAR differently or the cost of a WAR. Anyways, just an excercise… hopefully not in futility.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s no way Kemp would have received $5.6m in his first year of arbitration

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, so it's his first year?

I calculated it based on his second year. I will redo then. Thanks.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Re Calculated

Let me use more precise numbers this time.

2010: 0.2 * 4.0 * 4.0 = $3.2M
2011: 0.4 * 4.5 * 4.4 = $7.92M
Total: $11.12M
Settled for $10.95M

I’m still a little off, but closer now.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What about 2012, and 2013?

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

What are Kemp's arb years?

Then I can give those a stab.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

2010, 2011, and 2012. FA eligible for 2013. If I just do a simple extrapolation from your equations above:

2012: 0.6 * 5.0 * 4.8 = $14.4M

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Actually it is Tom Tango’s equation. Often referred to the 20/40/60/80 rule of thumb. I am not an expert on arbitration awards and am not even sure I applied the formula correctly (if not, I was kind of close). But yes, for the most part you extrapolated what I did similar to what I would’ve done. I may have started tailing off his WAR a little, but not much of a difference. :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If you leave the WAR flat

you get:
2012: 0.6 * 4.5 * 4.8 = $12.96M

So there’s a range to use as a guess.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice to be able to remove

some of those estimates for concrete numbers. Those are were predicting a 85 Million payroll like Jon mentioned in his DT column evidently forget we still had to pay our arbitration players.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

After the Kemp column the other day, I revised my predictions for him to 4/6, so in 2009 salaries I’m $10,000 away from being 3 for 3.

Repko – $500k
Chad – $3.75m (got $3.85m)
Kemp – $4m

I don’t think I’ll change the Ethier or Martin numbers before they sign contracts, so those could be my downfall. I could see both trending toward $5.5m or so. I still contend that, on single-year deals Martin will make more. I have locked myself into that position, and I won’t move now. :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you!!...Matts Amazing.....but

If Rihanna messes up his swing im gonna come looking for her

by fonzarellic on Jan 15, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Diving out the door

with the signing of Adam LaRoche, the D-Backs DFA’d Eric Byrnes, per beat wrtier Nick Piecoro.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

Byrnes is due $11 million in 2010

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No more somersault throws in the Ariz OF? Say it aint so.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Brynes to the Braves to be the LF/4th outfielder makes sense.

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

they said it might happen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

thank god he has his tv show to fall back on. No more ridiculous flips after throws…damn.

by KellyStephen on Jan 15, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The plot of the aborted Spider-man 4

Condensed, it went something like this: Peter Parker gets over MJ, finds a new girl, falls in love. But: Peter also discovers her father is actually the Vulture, a naughty green guy with wings to be played by John Malkovich. Peter is torn between the love of his new lady and taking down the Vulture. Being a Spandex tight-ass, he decides to take down the Vulture, and kills him. This patricide goes down poorly with Peter’s new fiancée, and she rejects him. Despondent, Peter decides to abandon his superpowers, and Movie No. 4 ends with Peter Parker throwing away his Spider-Man mask, and audiences wondering if they are watching Superman II.

Read more: Vulture Exclusive: What Really Killed Spider-Man 4? Avatar! — Vulture http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/01/avatar_killed_spiderman_4_sam.html#ixzz0ciHWqLNw

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, until I read the link

I thought that plot synopsis was a joke.

Now I know its a joke, just not an intentional one.

by EMDarrow on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I have read that since there were problems with the script, which that confirms, that a delay in production might have cost Sony the licensing rights to Spider-Man as Disney would seek to take back control of this property. I wish Disney would get the rights back so that they could include Spidey in the Marvel Unverse they are creating.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true

They have a set number of years between each movie and they are not close to blowing that. The only franchises that reverted back to Marvel were IronMan (Thank God they were never able to make a movie) , The Incredible Hulk, Daredevil, and the characters associated with Daredevil. Sony will never risk losing SM and they have done a good job with the stewardship of the franchise. Sony saved Marvel by making a great SpiderMan with the first one. It was a terrible licensing deal for Marvel but still good enough to put hoards of cash into their pockets at a time when they desperately needed it to survive. The XMen movie put them on solid ground but it was SpiderMan that made sure they were going to be an on-going franchise.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

True

they have to make a movie every so many years or risk losing the rights. That is why when Raimi said they wouldn’t be able to meet the May ’11 opening, they scrapped the whole thing and went with a script they already had. Disney badly wants to get the rights back to all of the Marvel properties and they are having their lawyers monitor these situations very closely. Anything that might allow them to make a claim, they will jump on.

by OB12 on Jan 15, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard the entire cast dropped out with Raimi

Fuck Raimi for screwing up Spiderman 3 so badly. The moron screwed up with one of the 2 best comic book villains ever. Ughhhh.

by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

True

SM3 should have been two movies.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, and Venom should have been the main villain in one of them, not some sideshow attraction.

SM3 was out in the summer of 07, so the 4th really should have been out this summer. But they have been putting this crap off for so long we wont get another one for 2 and a half more years at the least.

by Ivdown on Jan 15, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

Spidey is a pretty weak story.

Raimi made the movie magic, he is a very underrated director, Kubericesque.

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Jon Heyman:

heard #mariners, king felix have made a bit of progress on 5 or 6 year deal but will do the 1-year thing first to buy time

He has 4 years of service time, so that would buy out 3 or 4 FA years. Could be massive. Good for the M’s.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Thing I like

about the Mainers offseason is that they’ve pretty much ridded themselves of any bad contracts. They should be getting a lot of “bang for their buck” this year, as long as Griffey isn’t much more than a token for the fans.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Milton Bradley is a bad contract if he plays like he did with the Cubs

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

They had a great offseason

but as Xiefrank has pointed out, they needed to because they also lost a lot of pieces. In a few years I expect that Figgins contract to be god awful but it should be okay in 2010. But all Figgins does is break even with the expected numbers of Beltre. Cliff Lee is a big addition but it is not like Morrow was not expected to be a top of the line pitcher himself. They lost a ton of power in Branyan that Kotchman is not going to fulfill. If Milton does what he did in Chicago they are not that much better off, if he does what he did in Texas then Yes, I think they had a great offseason.

Still not a great team to me but a good team and one that should give the depleted Angels and surging Rangers a good run this summer.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

AL West

will be interesting next year. It won’t be the best division, but I am looking forward to it being a tight race all year.

by prosellis on Jan 15, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Having that opinion

… and not stating it correctly, got me into trouble with a murderous group of Mariners fans on both Fangraphs and Lookout Landing. I ended up getting banned at LL, because I wasn’t aware of all of their grammar rules and couldn’t break my habit of sometimes leaving the comment box empty. They have some strange rules, that would give you flashbacks to 10th grade English class. They are a much more intelligent blog that MCC and are a super read, but I would put LL and USSM both at the bottom of any list that took (Mod) friendlieness into consideration.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically three

but I currently only stand banned at one (LL), which was for a rather silly reason.
MCC for basically it being known I was a Dodger fan. One of the mods banned me during an out of control emotional rage. I was later reinstated (kind of like Manny). I was bot-banned once or twice because back when I was posting simulation results as Fanposts, I made more than three Fanposts at various SB Nation sites within a 24 hour time period, which launches the spam guard and auto bans you. Luckily, Eric helped me get unbanned on that one. So really only LL and MCC. Both badges of honor! :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t you get banned at Athletics Nation too? Or was that just Phil?

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Banned for Grammer?

What a badass :)

You really didn’t get you money’s worth on that one.

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They want to advertise with us? Any objections:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Who does? I don’t see a picture. Was there one?

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

picture is blocked

or not to linked to correctly.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 15, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Talk about a teaser

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

http://sportscenterfold.com/

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Now imagine her with a blue top and white bottoms

Have a good weekend.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Fake boobs

May be better than no boobs, but give me the real thing any day of the week.

Other than that, the floor is yours.

by Cool Dudes on Jan 15, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Added a note and a link above to Tony Jackson, who reported that Kemp also has $600,000 in potential incentives for 2011, based on plate appearances in 2010.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Also added this note about Bills
Stewart said he might continue to negotiate with Dodgers officials on getting an additional year for Billingsley, buying him out of arbitration next winter as well. But Stewart added that those negotiations won’t continue beyond the end of spring training

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

AP has slightly different story, saying incentives are $500k, not $600k.

http://bit.ly/86ZXSV

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird Game James

Dylan Hernandez added this about Loney:

James Loney has been approached by the Dodgers about a multiyear contract but is looking for a one-year deal, agent Joe Urbon said

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

He probably just wants to have a better year to work off of rather than lock in now at a relatively weaker position.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Learning SS

I am guessing he wants a year to see if he can play a different position. If he could move off 1B his lack of offense would be less problematic.

by Paul Scott on Jan 16, 2010 2:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The options for left-handed throwers are limited: 1B, OF, P.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 16, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I used SS as the suggested possition

in the hopes that the sarcasm would be obvious. It wasn’t intended to be taken serious (well, except for the part about Loney not having sufficient offense to play 1B)

by Paul Scott on Jan 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

After watching him play RF againt the angels

I’m going to say he should stay at first.

www.manningface.com

by nolander on Jan 17, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

A's / Padres trade?

from Susan Slusser:

I’m hearing the A’s might be on the verge of acquiring Kevin Kouzmanoff but I have not had that confirmed yet

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions  

More Slusser:

The A’s acquire Kouzmanoff and give up Scott Hairston….who came from the Padres last year. Two other players involved, trying to confirm

Scott Hairston is back in the NL West!

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Confirmed by Slusser:

Kouzmanoff and a prospect for Hairston and Aaron Cunningham, confirmed

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

so that puts Headley at third

and Hairston in the OF. The Padres will still suck.

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

by squalene203 on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Blanks too will probably get a place to play (LF) more than sitting on the bench

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Padres suckage
The Padres will still suck.

You say that like it’s news.

by MattBakerJr on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like a good deal for A's no?

At least more upside with Kouzmanoff…

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, gotta think their lineup is better. Who knows what to think of Chavez anymore. DH or bust?

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought they were thinking Chavez could play 3-4 times a week, so Kouzmanoff sees all the lefthanders plus some other games? With Chavez, Jake Fox, Jack Cust, and now Kouzmanoff, where do they all play?

I think Kouzmanoff is a first-year arb-eligible. Padres saving salary here? Side note: Cunningham is one of the players the A’s received in the Haren trade.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

They seem to have a lot of corner/DH guys. Does this mean more Cust in the OF?

Maybe 1B is Fox/Barton, 3B is Chavez/Kouz, Cust in LF, with a bunch splitting time at DH.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric Byrnes in LF. ;)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Problem solved. Bingo bango bongo

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m probably off on the salary speculation. Hairston is a second-year arb-eligible, so the difference probably isn’t that great; add in Cunningham’s major-league minimum (I assume) and maybe it’s close to salary-neutral (Ned approves!).

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball names I'm glad I didn't grow up with

1. Rusty Kuntz
2. Kouzmanoff

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jan 15, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

3. Stubby Clapp

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

5. Johnny Dickshot

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 15, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

What if you and your brother played as #2? :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but Kemp passed the physical; the deal is official.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 6:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Thought this was curious

in Gurnick’s column about the remaining Dodgers filing for arbitration:

Loney, who earned $465,000 in 2009, virtually duplicated his previous season by hitting .281 with 13 homers and 90 RBIs, ranking third on the club in run production.

Apparently, “run production” = RBI.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 15, 2010 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/columns/story?id=4830630

Tony Jackson got quotes from Frank McCourt about the state of the Dodgers. And some analysis of the current situation, and says “So what, the Dodgers still have talent to win.”

by Tripon on Jan 15, 2010 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

Kemp,Billingsly

glad to have the guys back…now let’s go get some top level pitching help.

Ric Jones

by DezertWolf on Jan 15, 2010 11:16 PM PST reply actions  

Might have to adjust the Payroll Sheet, Eric
Still, don’t discount the depth of the Dodgers’ financial woes. When they traded Juan Pierre to the White Sox, they transferred $3 million of Pierre’s 2010 salary into a bonus to be paid starting in 2012. Colletti is doing everything he can to shoehorn one starting pitcher into the ’10 payroll.

-Jon Paul Morosi

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

Thanks for the info. Colletti forced to cut coupons from the Sunday paper too!

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2010 1:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Payroll worksheet now updated

http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll

(also on right sidebar of front page)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Is a 2012 payroll forecast possible?

I’d love to see a payroll forecast for 2012. And your expert analysis on how they can put a competitive product on the field without blowing up the budget.

by MattBakerJr on Jan 17, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll definitely add it sometime after the arb numbers are finalized. Right now for 2012 we have about $13.4m for 3 departed OF (Pierre, Andruw, Manny), options for Blake ($6m) and Furcal ($12m), and arbitration for up to 12.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 17, 2010 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Furcal’s deal is starting to look like the Elephant in the Room, especially if his 2012 option vests via plate appearances and Gordon is ready by then.

by silverwidow on Jan 17, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

*Age on June 30, 2012

NRI count: 19

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