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Better Know a Stat- Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP)

For the second installment of the TBLA "Better Know a Stat" series, I wanted to take a look at the pitching statistic which attempts to isolate the pitcher’s responsibility for the runs allowed using only walks, strikeouts and homeruns. 

The FIP formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor that scales FIP to match league average ERA for a given season and league.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pitcher-win-values-explained-part-two

Note: The league specific factor I have used for FIP in the past is 3.20.

The basic argument for using FIP as opposed to ERA and WHIP is the realization that the pitcher has very little control for where the ball goes once it is hit by the batter.  As I’ve watched baseball, its easy to notice that some times the ball is struck well yet right at a fielder, whilst other times the ball appears to be a routine inning ending double play, only to find the baseball rolling past Jeff Kent playing second base.   As a result, a pitcher with a better defense behind them will be less likely to surrender hits (and ultimately runs) than the pitcher will the below average defense. 

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FIP only penalizes or rewards the pitcher for completion of the Three True Outcomes (TTO), the home run, the strikeout and the walk (not including intentional walks.)  The strike out is the pitcher winning the individual battle between the pitcher and batter, while the walk and the home run are the results of the batter winning the plate appearance.  All other outcomes are impacted by the defense, and therefore impossible to isolate the level of responsibility that should be bourn by the pitcher as opposed to the defense behind them.  In contrast to the first entry in the "Better Know a Stat" series, where OPS+ is a combination of statistics, FIP rejects several plate appearances that don’t result in the TTO in order to isolate pitching contributions. 

I find FIP to be particularly important when judging minor league pitchers and potential trade and free agent targets. Minor league fielding is so erratic, that it’s certainly a best practice to ignore defense altogether. While an argument could be made that at least all major league fielders are somewhat decent, minor league deficiencies in the field is too significant to be ignored.  Additionally, when playing arm chair GM (as we may do on TBLA from time to time), its best to give less weight to ERA or WHIP than FIP, because the ERA and WHIP are impacted by the team defense, a defense which the potential target will not be bringing with them.

One could argue that FIP is less important when comparing pitchers from the same staff. Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley and Randy Wolf all pitched for the Dodgers; therefore the defense behind them should be relatively constant.  While true to an extent, lineups change (Casey Blake is a much better third baseman than Ronnie Belliard) and parks change (certain parks benefit the pitchers by having more foul territory.) The biggest drawback to FIP is that it treats all homeruns the same way, regardless of it the home run was hit in Colorado or San Francisco.  On my next installment of the series, I will discuss how x-FIP attempts to address that issue.

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Very interesting

giving us a teaser in your first post. Does the dude who came up with the theory that pitchers have no control over what happens after the ball leaves the bat still working for the Red Sox?

I’d like to know the reasons behind the alogrithm. Why HR * 13, why any of the multipliers? How do we trust the mutipliers are accurate?

by meercatjohn on Jan 22, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

Ya, I figured it was best to let FIP stand on its own first, before I start selling x-FIP. Either way, I would have had to explain FIP, so why not give it its own post..

FIP is much more mainstream than x-FIP anyway plus its a lot easier to calculate. I can calculate my own splits on FIP and calculate FIP for minor leaguers, but you can’t really do that with x-FIP.

by Michael White on Jan 22, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

you had to explain FIP first. After you post xFIP I’m going to want to compare that forumla to the HQ formula called xERA which has been in use for years and years.

by meercatjohn on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought Voros McCracken (DIPS) was working with the White Sox.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey

I got the Sox part right:)

Remember when you first read DIPS at BP, did you think he was crazy?

by meercatjohn on Jan 22, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Wikipedia says Red Sox

And he left in 2007.

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jan 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

That was a turn-me-on-my-ear baseball moment for me, much like the Michel Lichtman (I believe) post about how all RHB have the same true platoon split (I’m paraphrasing of course).

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I have the same question as meercat

At the fangraphs link you pointed to, there is no discussion of the multipliers. Understood that fielders have no effect on home runs, walks or strikeouts, so they are pitcher-independent, who decided that the appropriate proportion should be home runs 13 : walks 3 : strikeouts 2, and why? There may be some good reason for such a proportion, but what are they? Whoever invented FIP must have had one. Has it ever been tweaked?

by berkowit28 on Jan 22, 2010 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

beat me to it

my question exactly

great post mwhite

I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours

by BoulderDodger on Jan 22, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe it has to do with linear weights, although I’m trying to find a link to confirm and/or explain that

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Details

FIP invented by Tom Tango:

The formula is derived from the average linear weights values for four types of events: HR, BB, K, and BIP. Each weight is presented relative to the average value of a BIP, so that the BIP term in the formula is 0. The formula is thus a simplified form of:

(13*HR + 3*BB – 2*K + 0*BIP)/IP + C

This fact makes it possible to calibrate the coefficients in FIP to different BIP values, such as in a very good or very poor defensive environment or in a park with an extreme BABIP park factor.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry – what does BIP stand for? Thanks for researching this, Eric.

by berkowit28 on Jan 22, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks. So would that mean that the factor of 2 for K represents the (logical) weight that a strikeout has twice the (negative) chance of a BIP being out rather than not? I.e. a BIP has a 50% chance of being an out? (Either it’’s out or it isn’t.) Statistically, my “gut” feeling is that far more BIP are out than result in a base hit – and of course the actual number is dependent on fielders catching a pop/fly or throwing a ground ball to first base. And then “linear” would be the same as in the fairly simplistic SLG statistic – a single = 1, double = 2, triple = 3, etc. Hmmm, not that can’t be, because if a K = -2, then a single or a walk = 2, not 3 and a HR = 8, not 13. Color me still confused. Where do these linear weights come from, do you happen to know?

by berkowit28 on Jan 22, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

When I read this I immediately thought of the formal definition of IRR (Internal Rate of Return)

The discount rate often used in capital budgeting that makes the net present value of all cash flows from a particular project equal to zero.

Sounds like a mathematician thought similarly and applied it to baseball.

One interesting caveat is that the end BB portion of the formula is BB+HBP-IBB…. I wonder if a pitcher’s FIP would change much if you also subtracted intentional HBP… thought it might be tough to keep track of that stat :)

by BFDC on Jan 22, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

meant to write, “though it might be tough to keep track of that stat though” at the end there…

by BFDC on Jan 22, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

wow that’s embarrassing. I can’t type. Better start previewing my posts!

by BFDC on Jan 22, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Andre Ethier incentives

per Dylan Hernandez:

Ethier is guaranteed $6 million this year, including a $500,000 signing bonus. His $9.25-million base salary in 2011 will increase by $25,000 if he makes 600 plate appearances this year, an additional $50,000 if he makes 650 plate appearances and yet another $50,000 if he makes 675.

In addition, Ethier can earn $125,000 in incentives based on plate appearances each season: $25,000 for 600, $50,000 for 650 and $50,000 for 675.

Potentially $375k in incentives (basically the 2010 PA incentives are double that of 2011)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

It’s a good thing you never get tired of updating the payroll worksheet! Do all teams have such complicated budgets or are we in the upper tier? So far, our future payout money (can I call this debt?) isn’t unreasonable, but I’d like to see us reverse the trend.

by kinbote on Jan 22, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of teams have a lot of very specific and seemingly odd details within their budget. I’m sure I haven’t even scratched the surface for the Dodgers (I would love to sit in for a day in the Dodger offices to find out more nuggets and details).

In terms of dead money or deferred money, we are probably near the top, but other teams have gone down this path as well. I need to find the article, but I believe Arizona is still paying Bernard Gilkey!

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

D(ebt)-Backs

I found the article, by Darren Rovell

Diamondbacks president and CEO Derrick Hall said that the team paid off $16 million this year and will pay off $15 million in 2010, $14 million in 2011 and $13 million in 2012. By 2013, the Diamondbacks will have less than $1.5 million to pay off. Matt Williams’ payments come off in 2014 and Gilkey, whose annual checks go up to as much as $1 million, will be the last one to come off the books in 2017.

Gilkey, who last played for Arizona in 2000, is getting paid by them through 2017.

I guess that’s the price you pay the piper when you win a title in your fourth year of existence.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Payroll worksheet is updated

Here is the link to Andre’s details.

A few notes:

The payroll worksheet is always linked near the bottom of the front page, on the right sidebar. The address is this:

http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll

But you can also add the pound symbol and a player’s last name (in most cases) to get to their details directly by adding this. For instance, the link for Kemp is:

http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/14/720656/dodger-payroll#bison (he is one of the ones I didn’t use last name for)

There are 45 footnotes on the page right now, and you can click on the number next to each player with more details to go directly to his spot on the page.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

That is such a great resource. Thanks for the work you do to keep it updated.

I thought Dylan’s summary of Ethier’s Incentives (new band name) was awkward; yours is much better.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 22, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, thats a lot of fields!

by EMDarrow on Jan 22, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

7 practice fields for each team (you can only see the Dodger ones in this photo), plus the main stadium.

Dodgers’ main practice field is directly behind the main stadium (facing same direction)

Pitchers normally workout at the field on the far top left (two fields beyond LF in main stadium), kind of out of view for the most part for fans.

The other four fields (top of picture) are minor league fields.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That is awesome. My brother and I are still looking into the possibility of being out there towards the 24th of March. I hope it can happen.

by robotmadeofnails on Jan 22, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The Book Blog

“The basic argument for using FIP as opposed to ERA and WHIP is the realization that the pitcher has very little control for where the ball goes once it is hit by the batter”

There are a couple of posts that went up just today (though one is looking back at a post 3ish years ago) that clarify this in a way, that had it been stated initially I think the theory might have been less controversial even today.

Probably the better way to state that sentence is not that “the pitcher has very little control…” but rather that “whatever control the pitcher has (could be a lot, could be next to nothing) the distribution of true talent over that control is very narrow.”

I am not going to repeat here everything Tango, Erik and MGL are saying about that, but I would suggest a trip over to The Book Blog for a couple of very long, but very good reads. MGL’s post today on what “r” really means is particularly good.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/icc_or_intra_class_correlation/

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/blast_from_the_past_solving_dips/

by Paul Scott on Jan 22, 2010 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

Cool

Thanks for those links. Very informative.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

that is why

Paul is more more useful then D4P:)

by meercatjohn on Jan 22, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

press conference in SF

Per Ed Price of AOL, the Mets offered Bengie Molina $5.5m, but he turned them down because he preferred the “familiarity” of SF.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

Tony Jackson has a wonderful article on Kim Ng up on ESPN.com. I loved this quote from Broxton’s agent:

“I think it’s a tribute to her that more of her cases don’t go to arbitration,” Abbott said. "She might say it makes it look like she isn’t tough enough, but I think that is a disservice to her. … The arbitration system is set up to find middle ground, and that is what she is so good at. I would guess that more times than not, that middle ground has teetered her way as opposed to the agent’s way. That goes back to preparation and the ability to set forth what her arguments are and her rationale is.

“As an agent, I always make sure I’m thoroughly prepared before I talk to her. If I’m not ready, I say, ‘Kim, I’ll call you back,’ because that would be like taking a knife to a gun fight. You know she is going to be prepared for every angle you come at her from.”

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

I’m making this a fan shot.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What is a good enough sample size?

[Good work Mike, and a nice continuation to “Better Know A Stat”.]

I don’t have time at the moment to browse through Paul’s links above, but BIPs represent a good percentage of PAs that are not being used in the evaluation of FIP, so I wonder what constitutes a sufficient sample size for FIP to consider the measurement meaningful.

For one example, Randy Wolf pitched 862 PAs last year, allowing 24 HR, issuing 57 unintentional BB, hitting 6 batters, and striking out 160. So his 2009 FIP is based on only 247 PAs, or a light season for a middle reliever. In a lot of cases, we’d scream “small sample size” for something based on 247 PAs.

I suppose Paul’s rewording of “the distribution of true talent over [the] control [for where the ball goes once it is hit by the batter] is very narrow.” leads me toward a claim that the FIP for a full season is as valid as other measures that are valid for a one-season window – the other 615 PA for Wolf end up roughly the same no what – but it’s a little hard to accept at first blush.

As an aside, if the distribution of true talent over the control of the direction of the batted ball is very narrow, is that also true of the control of the speed of the batted ball? Anecdotally, one would think that some pitchers are consistently better than others at inducing batters into poorer contact and that slower-hit balls more likely turn into outs.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 22, 2010 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Or has it already been determined that the distribution of talent over the control of BABIP is narrow to begin with.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 22, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think FIP was ever intended to be

predictive of true talent level from what I understand. It’s more of an accurate measurement of what the pitcher could control and did accomplish over the time period measured.

by Chad Moriyama on Jan 22, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And how big is enough of a time period to consider FIP indicative of the pitcher’s talent level relative to his peers?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 22, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Same as you would ERA, I believe

Though the exact IP totals i’m not inherently aware of. I generally like three year samples if possible.

That way, you can also tell if a pitcher generally overchieves/underachieves his FIP. Especially when they switch teams and the same things continues. Like with Javier Vazquez.

by Chad Moriyama on Jan 25, 2010 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Jesus Guzman

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/giants-designate-jesus-guzman-for-assignment.html

This guy is intriguing. I think we should pick him up. The giants DFAed him and hes only 25, hit well in Fresno last year and plays 2b and 3b.

by npurcell on Jan 22, 2010 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

and 1B and corner OF. The comments there claim his defense is atrocious. One year ago BA, in a Venezuelan Summer League prospect report termed his defense “a work in progress”. He was almost exclusively at 1B in Fresno last year.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 22, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice to see you around, Nate.

Would this be sort of a reverse Travis Denker? Although we wouldn’t be dumping a .100 hitter on the Giants in return :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 22, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I am guessing Nate will be locked in small room with a TV on Sunday

Good luck to the Vikings.
I can’t believe I just said that, I now turn in my Los Angeles Ram fan card.

by bhsportsguy on Jan 23, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't concur

I refuse to want the Vikings to win, because Brett Favre is history’s greatest monster.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 23, 2010 6:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good writeup, Mike

If I may be so bold as to cross-post, I wrote up an article on FIP as well during the 2009 season for Purple Row as part of the Counting Rocks column.

http://www.purplerow.com/2009/4/1/817712/fip-why-you-dont-deserve-that-era

Anyhow, as for actual discussion, I do enjoy using FIP as somewhat of an indicator of what’s going on with a pitcher who seems to be over or underproducing relative to his career line, or at least reasonable expectations. To quote the geniuses from FJM (and this is actually from their glossary entry regarding BABIP):

What does this all mean? Well, if your favorite pitcher gets off to a terrible start, but he is striking out roughly the same number of guys per 9 innings that he has in the past, and he’s walking about the same number of guys he usually has, and he’s giving up HR at the same rate he usually has, but he’s allowing a BABIP of like .390, do not despair – he has gotten a little bit unlucky, probably, since the league is not going to have a .390 BA overall for the whole year. His BABIP will probably regress a little over time, and his ERA will "magically" go down. And then Kevin Kennedy will attribute the decrease in ERA to "getting his confidence back" or something, and you will smile knowingly.

basically looking at FIP kind of does the job of looking at K9, BB9, and HR9 all in one. It’s kind of like a kid saying “I’m sick!” and you taking their temperature and saying “well, your temperature is at 98.6, so how much candy DID you eat last night?”. But in this case, it’s the pitcher saying “My ERA sucks!” and you checking their FIP and saying “well, your FIP isn’t really out of line from your career line…how well has your defense been playing lately? Have you been hanging curveballs again?!”

All that summed up is saying “well his FIP is normal so he’s not really doing anything differently”

Now that all said, I don’t like using FIP in all situations, just because you end up with guys like 2009 Jason Grilli (4.18 FIP, 6.05 ERA) and 2009 Glendon Rusch (4.28 FIP, 6.75 ERA) – it’s hard to limit yourself to three true outcomes when you’re leaving fastballs right over the plate. It’ll underrepresent guys like Aaron Cook or Joel Pineiro because so much of their game revolves around putting the ball into play.

So anyhow, yeah, FIP is an awesome tool to use, just because if you can remember (13*HR+3*BB-2K)/IP+3.2 you can whip FIP up real quick anywhere you have a cellphone calculator.

Thanks for posting this, good writeup!

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 22, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

Not So

“[FIP will] under represent guys like Aaron Cook or Joel Pineiro because so much of their game revolves around putting the ball into play.”

This is a common misconception. Because ground-ball pitchers “pitch to contact” and have fewer Ks than power pitchers, it is assumed their FIP will not represent their talent well. This is, however, not so. These pitchers K a lot fewer batters, but also walk fewer and give up fewer home runs. Go look at any good “contact” pitcher and you’ll see they track FIP well. Sure they don’t have the Ks, but the K is weighted the smallest of the three variables in FIP.

Looking at the two you mentioned, Pineiro pretty regularly has a better FIP than ERA; his career ERA is 4.39, FIP 4.23. Cook – Career ERA 4.33, FIP 4.36.

by Paul Scott on Jan 23, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions  

which is also true

Because it’s a metric based on basically a weighted K/BB +HR, it will look fair to a team that supports groundballers – like Colorado and LA.

My issue is that because BB and K play such relatively small roles in the games of guys like Cook and Pineiro, FIP can fall to similar issues as ERA. Cook’s ERA will be benefitted having Helton, Barmes, Tulowitzki, and Stewart backing him up, also Kuroda’s having Furcal, DeWitt, and Blake to gobble up his grounders (but Kuroda also has a solid K9 to aid in making outs). Because so many of Cook and Pineiro’s PAs don’t result in a TTO, I see FIP basically becoming just a function of HR allowed.

I’m not trying to say “FIP SUCKZ LOL” for a second, it’s a great indicator. But this is why I prefer tRA, simply because it will grade guys relying on contact far more accurately, and I’m looking forward to Mike’s take on tRA.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 23, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Congratulations Mike!

You’re the 7th search result on google when searching for “Fielding Independent Pitching”. That’s out of 43,000 results!

by Julio Nievas on Jan 23, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

hell yes!

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 23, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

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