A Deeper Look At Martin, Kershaw, & Billingsley
Over the weekend at Dodger Thoughts, Jon Weisman pointed us to some in-depth information about Vicente Padilla from Ariball, a baseball scouting company that describes itself as so:
AriBall is the collaborative effort of Ari Kaplan -- California Institute of Technology’s Alumni of the Decade and an MLB consultant for two decades -- and Fred Claire, former General Manager of the LA Dodgers and distinguished member of the Club’s front office for 30 years.
In addition to working with teams and media outlets, Ariball scouted the Arizona Fall League, and has released a book with scouting reports on 81 different pitchers from the AFL. They also have "scouting and advance reports for over 1,800 MLB batters, 790 MLB pitchers, 1,400 AAA batters, and 670 AAA pitchers." I'm never any good at spotting trends while watching a game, so these types of reports are always interesting to me. I contacted Ari Kaplan, who was kind enough to provide us with some scouting reports on a few Dodgers.
Russell Martin
Russell Martin hits best off changeups when he swings: he swung at 108 (of the 242 seen) and got hits 21% of the time. On the other end, he hits least often when swinging at cutters (12% hits when swinging at 25 of 66 seen) and curveballs (12% hits when swinging at 50 of 172 pitches).
Strengths: Hits changeup effectively when in play, batting 0.489 (0.320 is avg). Hits well below the knees and outer half - 5 hits off his 30 swings there.
Other notes: Short and bulky body. Does not swing at pitches below the knees and inside half - only swung at 12 % of 107 pitches there (26% is avg). Does not swing at pitches above the zone and away half - only swung at 20 % of 170 pitches there (36% is avg).
Differences from last year: Hits best off CH - last year was FB. Hits worst off CB - last year was CH.
Over at Fangraphs, Martin was listed as below average on every type of pitch in 2009, but his fastball was best, at just 0.07 runs below average per 100 fastballs. This differs from the info at Ariball, which suggest Martin performed best off changeups. By contrast, Fangraphs had Martin at 0.50 runs below average per 100 changeups. I guess if everyone agreed all the time, analyzing baseball wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
I do like the tidbits from AriBall that Martin, known for his patience, lays off pitches low and inside, and high and away. That's something to look for next time you see Martin in the batter's box.
Clayton Kershaw
Throws fastball 93-95mph (70% of all pitches, keeps it high to lefties, and causes lots of swings to miss), curveball 71-75 (18%, long sweeping break, keeps inside to righties), slider 78-83 (6%, slurvy slider, keeps high to righties), changeup 81-84 (5%). 2,874 total pitches (55% in the strike zone). Threw 364 of 662 first pitches for strikes (55%).
STRENGTHS: Great command of changeups. Does not allow HRs often - only 7 in 171 IP. Induces pop-ups often.
WEAKNESSES: Changeup release point has below avg deception relative to FB RP. Release point for slider is coming out 5.1". One of the walk leaders with 91.
HABITS: 2-0 throws FB to LHH 100%. 2-1 throws FB to LHH 100%. 3-0 ALWAYS throws FB to RHH 100%. 3-1 ALWAYS throws FB to LHH 100%. Does not double-up on slider (1/4th as often as the MLB averge). Infrequently throws outside twice in a row. Infrequently throws outside after inside. Worst count to steal off of is 0-2. - he throws 19% of 42 pitches in potential SB opportunities high.
Locates changeups 8" down from the stretch. FB is his most effective pitch - batters hit just 0.178 when put into play compared to 0.411 off his least effective pitch - changeup. Throws much more pitches per batter than average - 4.32 (3.83 is avg).
I'm not sure of the sample size, but it might behoove Kershaw to mix it up a bit if he falls behind 2-0, 2-1, or 3-1 to lefties. According to AriBall, Kershaw threw a fastball to fellow southpaws every single time in those situations.
Chad Billingsley
Throws fastball 90-93mph (44% of all pitches), cutter 88-92 (21%), curveball 75-82 (22%, deceptive - causing many swings to miss), slider 84-90 (11% with plus command, and throws it hard). Fastball is his most effective pitch - batters hit 0.344 when put into play compared to 0.415 off his least effect pitch - curveball. 3,237 total pitches (55% in the strike zone). Threw 480 of 802 first pitches for strikes (60%).
STRENGTHS: Durable, pitched 196 innings.
WEAKNESSES: One of the walk leaders with 86.
HABITS: Likes to mix in cutters often - 21% - with average command. Does not double-up on Slider - only 12% of the time (41% is avg). Best count to steal off of is 0-1 when he tends to throw in the dirt in potential SB opportunities. Locates curveball 3" down and 5" more to the catchers right from the stretch.OTHER NOTES: Heavier body. He mixes up his SL velocity broadly, usually by 6 mph. Gets good spin on CB (-18% above MLB avg.)
The strengths and weaknesses seem simplistic for Billingsley, but I find a lot of the interesting. Specifically, the "habits" section is intriguing. Like Kershaw, Billingsley doesn't throw back-to-back sliders very often. I like the note about throwing his curve more down and away from righthanders from the stretch; that seems to jive with all those pitches in the dirt we all watched Russell Martin attempt to block last year.
I added a link to AriBall on the left sidebar on the front page under the "Stats/Reference" section.
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The habits section on Kershaw reminds me of this quote:
‘Pardnuh, as sure as I’m standin’ here breathin’, you’re goin’ to see a 3-2 backdoor slider.’
I honestly believe
Martin needs to get back to his 07 approach. F*** Donnie’s approach for Martin. It works for Ethier and Kemp because they are semi-free swingers, but Martin was already so patient, he didnt need to become MORE patient. Then, he misses his pitch..
With Kershaw, it just seems he needs to more confident in his pitches. I cant wait to see how his changeup looks. If he keeps the slider, curve and FB PLUS a change.. wow. And some thought he should be traded for Halladay(ugh, the stupidity on the internet sometimes)
With Billz, this is interesting. He seems to have confidence in most of his pitches(throws no pitch more than 50% of the time). Even with a bad leg, he still threw 196 innings. That shows that when he is healthy, imagine how many innings he can handle?
To watch Billingsley and Kershaw grow up together and Martin go back to his 07 approach(not necessarily the results, but the approach), add in Kemp and Ethier.. holy crap. I cant wait…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 25, 2010 9:33 PM PST reply actions
kershaw
his 3 pitch arsenal of fastball curve and slider is good enough… i dont think he needs a changeup.. that is unless he loses a couple MPH off his fastball which is a possibility..
by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
All of Kershaw’s pitches right now are hard. Mid 90s FB, mid 80 slider with a killer break and that killer curve with the hard break. If he perfects the change(he said he always had it, just never trusted it), it is a perfect compliment to the fastball, slider and curve. Remember, all 3 of his pitches look the same coming out of his hand and go different directions. If he does it so all 4 now look the same and he has one that is straight and goes 93 another straight one at 85, a hard break across the plate at 90 and a break straight down… at 21… HOLY CRAP
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 26, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, this is a great post, but I need to ask an OT question.
I’m watching the Prime 9 episode on best pitcher seasons. #8, Ron Guidry. They’re making the claim that the “fans standing and cheering to demand the third strike” thing started with Guidry.
Really? Really?…..
….Really?
Somebody help me out here.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
Interesting
I was watching another Prime 9 over gaffes or whatever they called it, and they showed the Davey Lopes safe call at 1B in Philly, and they kept mentioning “the ump blew the call” but every time they showed the replay it seemed too close to call (seemed to be a tie), although I can see where he might have been called out.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 25, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
In my research last year ...
I don’t recall finding much reference to that call being blown. I think that sort of became a legend over time.
I’m not sure of the sample size, but it might behoove Kershaw to mix it up a bit if he falls behind 2-0, 2-1, or 3-1 to lefties. According to AriBall, Kershaw threw a fastball to fellow southpaws every single time in those situations.
It would be interesting to see the sample size… and it would also be interesting to see what the results of those fastballs are. Are the hitters putting those balls in play, and are they going for outs or hits?
Also, why is Kershaw throwing FB 100% of the time in those situations? Is he more confident in his FB than his other pitches?
To my untrained eye, his curve seems so freaking nasty that if I were an Arizona fan, I’d hate facing that guy.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
According to Baseball Reference, Kershaw had…
125 2-0 counts in total
175 2-1 counts in total
69 3-1 counts in total
I’m not sure how that broke down vs RHP & LHB, but he faced a LHB in 22.0% of his 701 total PA against. It’s probably something close to that. At 22%, the breakdown would be…
27 2-0 counts
39 2-1 counts
15 3-1 counts
by Eric Stephen on Jan 25, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hm. OK, Kershaw’s facing a lefty and misses twice. 2-0.
Fastball for a strike 2-1.
Fastball again, right? This one misses. 3-1.
Fastball again? Does Kershaw really throw three straight fastballs in that situation?
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 25, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like it. That’s why this information is so interesting!
by Eric Stephen on Jan 25, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Boy, if I’m a hitter looking at that data, I’m sitting on that fastball so much that the seat of my pants is dirty.
The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy
by Humma Kavula on Jan 25, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think all it will take is a touch more control on his curve and/or slider. More confidence in those pitches will open it up, and it’s a boulder rolling downhill toward the rest of the NL after that :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
BA says Kershaw’s fastball has “late, riding life with an explosive finish.”
by silverwidow on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting stuff
Reading the tibdit about Kershaw’s changeup, I would keep that pitch on the shelf for a while. Kershaw seems to be so effective because his arm slot is identical when it comes to his curve and his fastball. If he is tipping his change, I don’t want to see him using it very often.
but once he tweaks it so the arm slot is the same for all 3 pitches, he basically becomes the lefty Pedro :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Good news for Chin-Lung Hu
Minor league per diem has increased by $5 per day on road trips, from $20 to $25 (per Baseball America):
As food prices have risen, so have clubhouse dues. In the Double-A Eastern League, where food is provided both before and after games, dues were increased by most clubbies to $11 per day in 2009. Similarly, the Triple-A Pacific Coast League increased dues to $14 per day. With an expected $2 per day tip in these leagues, most of the per diem went to dues, leaving little for breakfast and lunch.
$4-7 combined per day for breakfast and lunch leads to a lot of fast food, and as a result a lot of unhealthy eating habits for players striving to advance athletically. Giants’ minor leaguer Grant Broshuis tackled this a few months back on his blog .
I was surprised by this note:
The new per diem rate places minor league baseball closer to that allotted college athletes. While the rate varies from school to school, many Division I baseball players receive around $35 per day on road trips. Major league players currently receive $89.50 per day
I had no idea college athletes — baseball players, at least — got money for road trips
Football players have an issue with it
Because they need to eat but are only allowed so much money on weekends and stuff.
Most don’t have time to work, so they have to get some sort of money.
by Chad Moriyama on Jan 26, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I knew about the stipends, mostly because the players can’t really work in season, but the money on road trips seems like extra. Good for them, if they can get it.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Wow that is crazy low
they dynamic between a bonus baby and a 12th round pick must be interesting when it comes to food. Here in the states you could expect the family to help out just as they would a college student or a son struggling as they start their career but if you come over from the DR you are really on your own. I wonder how much those with money like the Chris Withrow’s share with the Kenley Jansens? I mean these are top athletes who should be eating good food, and good food costs more money then a Big Mac every day.
In the Broshuis post, he noted that the Red Sox started doing this, spending roughly $10,000 or so per team to make sure the team had nutritional meals. Seems like a small price to pay, a good investment in future talent.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Tim Brown of Yahoo says Xavier Nady to the Cubs.
Is Soriano going to play 2B, or will there be a Fukudome/Nady platoon?
Hypothetical:
If Strasburg wins back-to-back-to-back NL CYAs, what will his first arb award look like?
Dodgers need an ACE!!!!!
The Dodgers have the same rotation that they ended the season last year with a weaker team. The only way they can three-peat is to acquire a top of the line pitcher.
Martin and Billingsley should have been on the trading blocks.
How long per day are you allowed to use the computer at the institution you are staying at?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Mookie1 before 2009
The Dodgers have the same rotation that they ended the season last year with a weaker team. The only way they can repeat is to acquire a top of the line pitcher.
I mean, we got rid of Lowe, and signed Randy Wolf? Really?
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
Sheets to Oakland, a one year deal for more than $8 million (CBS Sports).
Seems remarkably reasonable. Damn.
AL West
has been bold this winter. Probably a great move for Sheets and the A’s. I think most of us would have rather given Sheets 8M then Padilla 5M, right?
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but we may have been able to swing $8M whereas $10M probably means we have to move Sherrill before we can get it done.
I thought Frank
said business was as usual. Are you telling me he was misleading and that business is not as usual?
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Easy. We could get Sheets to defer money!
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff Fletcher of AOL says the deal is $10 million
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
AL West
is going to be a dogfight from top to bottom. I think everyone of those teams is better then anything in the Central.
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
MIN, DET, CWS
all would have a shot. But the AL West could easily have all four teams at or above the .500 mark – similar to the NL West if we could boot the Padres off of the island.
vr, Xei
Per Heyman:
$10 million plus performance bonuses. It keeps getting more and more expensive.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
The string on that balloon is drifting more and more out of our reach :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Sheets can earn up to $2m in incentives, per Ed Price / AOL
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
To add Sheets to rotation that ALREADY includes Brett Anderson (Plus fastball, curveball, changeup, slider and control) and Trevor Cahill (plus sinker; Webb Jr.) is amazing.
by silverwidow on Jan 26, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
cahill is nothing amazing yet
so hold on for him.. but anderson is AMAZIN… he might even be BETTER then kershaw..
by matthewmafa on Jan 26, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I wish, I wish wish wish wish that we would have taken Anderson over Mattingly :(
And hold your tongue sir!
imagine the draft of 06
kershaw first round and anderson second round…
WOW
by matthewmafa on Jan 26, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I kinda liked him as a OF/1B spot starter and power bat off the bench. I also liked the possibility of retaining him as Manny’s heir in 2011. He’d better make substantially more than what Carroll’s getting!
Just for fun
I checked out the splits. In 2008 and 2009 Damon had a .889 OPS against RHP. How weird is that? Nady hits LHP to the tune of a plus .850 OPS.
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he did an impressively memorable dual bat swinging demo with Lasorda also.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jan 26, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
John Perroto of Baseball Prospectus shares some insight on the Sheets signing:
Athletics signing of Ben Sheets was, in some part, to ward of the MLBPA questioning their use of revenue-sharing money, a la the #Marlins.
Ah
funny how 8 M sounded good but 10 M and incentives kind of softened the blow.
by meercatjohn on Jan 26, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Kershaw doesn’t need to work on a fourth pitch.
Only walks get him in trouble.
Work on that. He’s incredibly hard to hit even if you are sitting on a pitch.
+1
he doesnt need a change imo… everytihng u said is right on the money
by matthewmafa on Jan 26, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Kershaw “infrequently throws outside twice in a row” and “infrequently throws outside after inside.” My question is: when does he throw outside?
A 1. Infrequently
A 2. On the first pitch
A 3. After a pitch that is neither inside nor outside
I believe those are the only possibilities left.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
and if it’s 2-0, 2-1, or 3-1 on a lefty after one of those three, it’s gonna be a fastball juuuust a bit outside!
(Happy 75th b-day, Bob Uecker)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Hardball Hardfact
Kershaw won’t be hanging a slider to a righty, nor Billingsley to a lefty
but if it happens, duck!
by 68elcamino427 on Jan 26, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
kengurnick
The Dodgers and free agent infielder Ronnie Belliard have agreed to a one-year contract for $825,000.
Belliard, Carroll and DeWitt at 2B?
or Belliard and Carroll at 2B and DeWitt backing up at 3B? Or option C?
vr, Xei
Option C
DeWitt gets to work on his frequent flyer miles again
by Michael White on Jan 26, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
whatttttttt
why did we waste our money on jamey carroll then?
Dylan H
Belliard can earn an additional $250,000 in incentives based on plate appearances
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
and I already wrote that incentives article, too :)
by Eric Stephen on Jan 26, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I made this into a front-page fan post. Thanks pdotmac1.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

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