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Claude Osteen - A Bridge Too Far?

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Claude Osteen tenure with the Dodgers actually seems relatively short in retrospect but linked two great generations of teams.  Traded for the popular Hondo [Frank Howard for you youngsters -Ed.] and arriving in 1965, he pitched for nine seasons.  From Tennessee, he was nicknamed Gomer for his resemblance to one Mr. Pyle and arrived shortly after the Clampetts themselves to partake of the Golden Age of California.  Always a double-digit winner, he averaged slightly more than 16 per season.  A workhorse well into his thirties, he gave us at least 35-40 starts and averaged 266 inning a year.  (did he ever miss a start!?)  One-third of his games were complete and a third of those were shutouts.  

He and Don Sutton pitched together for eight years as Dodgers.  During that period, Gomer won 132 and Don 120; Gomer had 33 shutouts and Don 31.  Over the course of their Dodger years both had cumulative ERAs of 3.09 (and ERA+ of 106 and 110, respectively).

Claude could also swing the stick and had a career BA of .188.  In 1972, in 100 PA he had an OPS+ of 102 with 11 RBI.

He saved his best for the pressure of the World Series.  As a 25 year old in 1965, after successive Twin killings of Big D and Sandy, he came on to shut them out in the third game as the Dodgers went on to win the Series.   He could have used another one in 1966, again as he came on to pitch after Sandy and Don had lost the first two, but lost the game 1-0 giving up but 3 hits in 7 innings .  In 21 WS innings in 1965-66 he posted an ERA of 0.86 (Don Sutton has an ERA of 5.26 in WS play).

Gomer would never make it to another WS.  Well respected in the league as a top notch pitcher, even at the age of 33, he was essentially traded straight up for the fearsome Toy Cannon, who led the Dodgers back to the WS in 1974.   He didn’t himself make it across the bridge, but his sacrifice (well, our sacrifice of him) made it possible for the Dodgers to surge into the glorious 1970s.

Does he deserve to be in the elite group?   He had a consistent career over a span that included some very down years for the Dodgers.  Even when he was the third wheel in 65-66 he came up big when it counted.  In the seven years after Sandy left, he was essentially the Ace of the staff for most of those years (OK, 4 of them at least).  Even in a rotation with Sutton, Andy and TJ in 1973, he was named AS for the third time and won 16.  His ERA+ as a Dodger rivals that of others, including HOFer Sutton and Fernando.  He is not of that group perhaps, but probably not as far behind them as many might think.

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That would be a BA of .188.

by Bob Hendley on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

You can edit your own fan post to make any changes/corrections you like. I’ll go ahead and make this one since I’m here.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Jan 8, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Bob

I’m really loving Phil’s HOF project. All our contributors are bringing the heat. This is fun.

by Eric Stephen on Jan 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

My favorite thing about Osteen...

…is that he’s part of a chain whereby the Dodgers had a really useful player every season from 1960-1983. Frank Howard begat Osteen, who begat Jimmy Wynn, who begat Dusty Baker.

by JudenSmithFan on Jan 8, 2010 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Hondo for Gomer

Wasn’t that recently rated as the worse trade ever by the LA Dodgers. As a kid, I don’t recall being very happy about it, which is one of the reasons I decided to write him up.

by Bob Hendley on Jan 8, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there any way

that that trade is worse than D4P or Shaw for Konerko?

The Ultimate Ned's Kind of Guy

by Humma Kavula on Jan 8, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding

Reference to the study by Doug Decatur was in a Dec 21 Inside the Dodgers post that Jon in DT linked. It uses Win Shares and covers trades made both by LA and Brooklyn. The approach is not discussed, but it seems odd that D4P is not even in the top five worst.

by Bob Hendley on Jan 9, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I added some baseball cards

The main shot is 1966 Topps, and the back of the card at the bottom is 1974 Topps, which encapsulates all nine years as a Dodger for Gomer (including mentioning his nickname).

by Eric Stephen on Jan 8, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

Nice touch

with the cards. He first pitched in the bigs at age 17 with the Reds, but didn’t get his first start until 1961 with the Senators, winning against the Twins at Metropolitan Stadium. His last start in 1975 was at the same venue. He pitched 4 scoreless innings, but Goose Gossage threw 5 innings of relief to get the win against Bert Blyleven.

by Bob Hendley on Jan 8, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions  

Oops, again

apparently he got three starts with the Reds in 1960.

by Bob Hendley on Jan 8, 2010 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Pe Ken Gurnick

Dodgers sign pitcher Russ Ortiz and outfielder Michael Restovich to Minor League contracts.

by Brandon Lennox on Jan 8, 2010 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

gomer

Osteen was alot more valuable that Howard-I loved Frank Howard but osteen was the link that put the Dodgers in the 65-66 World Sieries-we could use him now as a #1 Starter

by spc7@verizon.net on Jan 11, 2010 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

we could use him now as a #1 Starter

I don’t know, man. I know Jamie Moyer is an inspiration, but Osteen is 70! :)

by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

When looking at the trade some just look at the value of the player from the time they were traded but you have to look at the players in context to the team. Frank Howard certainly had a better career after the trade but most of his great work was done after 1966 and not even Hondo could have have helped the Dodgers in 67 and 68. As Spc7 says, I don’t think the Dodgers win the World Series in 65 or even get to the World Series in 66 without Osteen so on that basis I’d do the trade again even while wistfully wondering what Hondo would have done in 67/68 at Dodger Stadium.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 11, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, without the trade history would have been deprived of one of its greatest nicknames, “The Capitol Punisher.”

by Eric Stephen on Jan 11, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Hondo

is one of my favorite top ten all time players to watch. Helps that I saw him in 68 hitting those prodigious home runs.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Jan 11, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

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