Russ Ortiz: Much Ado About Nothing
"But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears"
-Bob Dylan, The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll
The signing of Russ Ortiz to a minor league deal certainly isn't a reason to jump for joy -- after all, he has been one of the very worst pitchers in baseball since 2005 -- but it isn't really that much of a cause for concern either, at least in theory. That Ortiz has a non-roster invitation to spring training doesn't mean the Dodgers still won't pursue a fourth starter. Just because they haven't acquired a legitimate starting pitcher on January 9 doesn't mean they won't pick one up by the time spring training rolls around. Whether or not they sign another pitcher, it has nothing to do with the acquisition of Ortiz.
Nor do I think Ortiz presents any sort of a road block to Scott Elbert, or James McDonald, or Eric Stults, or Charlie Haeger. Jon Weisman of Dodger Thoughts summed up his feelings on the matter thusly:
Ortiz has been signed as typical veteran reclamation fodder, it's safe to say, not as someone who will pitch time after time for Los Angeles based only on success from years and years ago. Ortiz has no business being on a major-league roster, but odds are he won't be -- not for long, anyway.
Washed up veterans pitchers are signed off the scrap heap every year, to minor league deals. Don't get me wrong; if Ortiz ends up winning a roster spot because 15 innings of work in March somehow outweighed four plus years of ineptitude, that will be a reason to light the pitchforks. I'll even bring the kerosene. I just don't think there is much of a chance of that happening.
There are a lot of innings to go around in the spring. The Dodgers have 31 exhibition games scheduled this season; last year they had 37. Of the 323.1 innings thrown by the Dodgers in 2009 spring training, 80.1 of them (nearly a quarter) were thrown by pitchers who never saw time with the big club during the season. Expanding that a bit further, pitchers who threw less than 25 regular season innings for the Dodgers accounted for 140.2 innings pitched during the spring, or 43.5% of the total. My point is that there are a lot of innings to go around this spring, and a lot of those innings will be thrown by crappy pitchers. This is nothing new.
Do I like the Russ Ortiz signing? No. Am I slightly worried that the Ortiz signing, coupled with the interest in another ex-Giant, Noah Lowry, will lead to eventually luring Kirk Rueter out of retirement? Slightly. Is any of this really enough to get worked up over? Nope, at least not yet. Why did I choose to end this blog post by channeling Jim Tracy? You got me.
| Pitcher | '09 Spring IP | '09 Season IP |
| Kershaw | 27.2 | 171 |
| McDonald | 23.2 | 63 |
| Wolf | 23.1 | 214.1 |
| Kuroda | 20.2 | 117.1 |
| Milton | 19.2 | 23.2 |
| Billingsley | 16.1 | 196.1 |
| Vargas | 15.1 | 11 |
| Lindblom | 13 | ---- |
| Stults | 12.1 | 50 |
| Troncoso | 12.1 | 82.2 |
| Mota | 12 | 65.1 |
| Estes | 11.2 | ---- |
| Weaver | 10 | 79 |
| Elbert | 8.1 | 19.2 |
| Sturtze | 8.1 | ---- |
| Mazone | 8 | ---- |
| Schmidt | 7.1 | 17.2 |
| DeBarr | 7 | ---- |
| Threets | 7 | ---- |
| Kuo | 6.2 | 30 |
| Wade | 6.2 | 27.2 |
| Belisario | 6 | 70.2 |
| Broxton | 5 | 76 |
| Castillo | 4.2 | ---- |
| Haeger | 4.1 | 19 |
| Leach | 4.1 | 20.1 |
| Randolph | 4.1 | ---- |
| Garate | 3.2 | ---- |
| Cali | 2 | ---- |
| Chick | 1.2 | ---- |
| Ed.Martinez | 1.2 | ---- |
| Strickland | 1.2 | ---- |
| Alvarado | 1.1 | ---- |
| Halsey | 1 | ---- |
| Ohman | 1 | 12.1 |
| Corcoran | 0.2 | ---- |
| Meque | 0.2 | ---- |
| Orenduff | 0.2 | ---- |
| Pollok | 0.2 | ---- |
| Bonilla | 0.1 | ---- |
| Miller | 0.1 | ---- |
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TJax has an article breaking down the 5th starter candidates with some quotes from Honeycutt.
It’s easily his best work since moving to ESPNLA since the subject matter is at least interesting.
by silverwidow on Jan 10, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I saw that a couple days ago (not a fan of the ESPNLA navigation btw), and it was a good read, and informative.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 8:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz sucks,
He sucks so much, everytime I see him pitch, I can caulk it up as a win against him. Why even invite him to camp. I’d rather Honeycutt suit up and pitch.
by Skunkburner on Jan 10, 2010 8:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz beat the Dodgers in 2009
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers sign Repko for 500K
Another piece of news: Chapman has signed with an “unknown NL team.”
We can only dream…
by silverwidow on Jan 10, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No idea how the $30 is spread over the 6 years to Chapman, but the Dodgers should swoop in on Harang now.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 12:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I have the Reds paying
for around 6-1/2 WAR. Feel free to check my work though. Starting his WAR in 2011, increasing it by 0.5 each year and starting the WAR$ at $3.5M per WAR and increasing by 10% per year. Then I change the value on the 2011 starting WAR such that the total value comes out to $30M.
Year, WAR$, Proj WAR, $Value
2010, $3.5M, 0.0, 0.0
2011, $3.85M, 0.87, 3.35
2012, $4.23M, 1.37, 5.80
2013, $4.66M, 1.87, 8.71
2014, $5.12, 2.37, 12.14
Total WAR: 6.48
Total Value: $30.00M
Years: 5
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I am still
a little confused as to whether or not he becomes a free agent after the 5th year or if this is like a player who gets drafted and the team can control him for 6 years or even longer if he doesn’t reach the majors in the first year or two. Thoughts, Eric or anyone else?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen details but players not subject to the draft can have it written into their contract to waive the arbitration period. Hideki Matsui I believe is one such instance. Saito did not have that written into the contract, but he didn’t have nearly the leverage Chapman did.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
How many years can Jason Repko survive in the system before he either reaches Free Agency, or getting non tendered?
by Tripon on Jan 10, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he amazingly has that one option year left, so I’m guessing he’ll get to taste the open market next year.
In theory, the Dodgers could still have him through 2012, but I doubt that will happen
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is already his 2nd arbitration year, wouldn’t his 3rd and final arbitration year be before the 2011 season? That would mean that we bascially own him through 2011 unless we get rid of him before that or non tender him after this season.
by Coolguy_88888888 on Jan 10, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Special case. Gotta have 6 years of service time. Repko would have to be on the major league roster in 2011-12
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 1:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So assuming we keep him around, he would go to arbitration 4 times without being a super two?
by Coolguy_88888888 on Jan 10, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or, say we use his last option this year, then he still has only 3.067 service time going into 2011. Before 2011 would be his 3rd arbitration year, then lets say we keep him on the major league roster for 2012, 2013, and at the end of the 2013 seaosn time he’d still have less than 6 years of major league service time (5.067). So really before the 2012 season could be arbitration #4, before the 2013 season could be arbitration #5, and before the 2014 season could be arbitration #6?
by Coolguy_88888888 on Jan 10, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could conceivably stay through 2013 but he’d have 6 years service time by the end of 2013 even if he’s in the minors for all of 2010
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 2:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Technically the Dodgers could keep him on the team forever, if they sign Repko to a long term deal(say, $10 million for 10 years), waive him, wait for no team to claim him, then send him to Triple-A for reassignment.
See: Angel Berroa.
by Tripon on Jan 10, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’d eventually gain the right to leave, either with five years of major league service (he could refuse his assignment) or as a 6-year minor league FA
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No
Again, nothing has been scheduled for Taiwan…yet. I’m told they are trying to work out the details but nothing is set.
The link above shows the current schedule.
by Eric Stephen on Jan 10, 2010 10:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I meant the other China (forgetting that trip was in Torre’s first year and not last year).
by Bob Hendley on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the other China?
haha, I got a good laugh out of that. Does TBLA have a one or two China policy? :)
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we count Tibet as part of China as well? :)
by Tripon on Jan 10, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Russ Ortiz signing is not even worth
the two posts here that have been written about it. Not even worth the extra energy required to display my subject line in boldface.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Jan 10, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz -Schmoritz
and all the others of his ilk. The thinning of pitching talent available for active duty in the MLB is so obvious.
For hitters the environment is paradisiacal.
by 68elcamino427 on Jan 10, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How was the late football game?
Stuck at work here.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Clippers are sailing with a full thrust of wind at their backs
Shocked at just how easily they beat the Heat. The game was never in doubt which you can’t say very often. Can’t remember the last time we beat two opponents back to back like the Lakers by double digits.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Injury riddled Jul 18th lineup?
1st – Minky
2nd – Carrol
SS – Berroa
3rd – DeWitt
C – Ellis
LF – Repko
CF – Paul
RF – Restovich
SP – Russ Ortiz
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Jan 10, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no way kemp gets hurt..
or ethier..
by matthewmafa on Jan 10, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget closer
justin miller…
or will ortiz do a CG shutout?
by matthewmafa on Jan 10, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GIANTS sign AUBREY HUFF
HAHAAHAH what a joke… 240 .310 .370 last year as a first base DH and hes a horrible defender…. What are the giants thinking paying 3 million for this guy??? ryan garko was way better and at least could mash the lefties…
by matthewmafa on Jan 10, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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