2010 Great Lakes Loons Season in Review
My next minor league season in review will focus on the Great Lakes Loons. The Loons were the best team in minor league baseball in terms of wins, and were a very fun team to watch. Luckily MILB.com televised all of their home games, so I was lucky enough to catch several games over the internet. The broadcast team is great, and you get the feel that the community really loves this team. In terms of this report, remember that these reports are very extensive, so just because I’m writing about a player doesn’t mean that he is a big time prospect. While I’ll usually mention if a guy is worth keeping an eye on, you’ll have to wait for my upcoming prospect ranking to fully understand who I consider prospects and who are simply organizational players.
Record: 90 - 49 Season Result: Finished 1 game behind the Lake County Captains in the 1st half, but then really came alive in the 2nd half of the season as they won the Eastern Division by 6 games. In the Midwest League playoffs, the Loons won their first round match up against Fort Wayne, but then lost in the semi-finals to the aforementioned Captains. Season Recap: The Loons finished as the best team in minor league baseball with 90 wins, so that is a major accomplishment. It would have been a perfect season had they won the championship, but that didn’t happen. Some of the Loons success can be attributed to the fact that the team had the oldest group of position players in the league, but their pitching also played a major role in getting this team to the top. In addition, keeping the core of the team together for most of year probably contributed to the great regular season. In terms of team stats, the Loons finished the year with the 2nd best batting average in the Midwest League at .272, and their 127 home runs were also good for 2nd place. The teams’ .431 slugging percentage was actually best in the league, as was the pitching staff’s 3.44 ERA. Finally, the team picked up a league high 58 saves, and allowed a league low 70 homers. League Leaders:
Category Player Rank Amount Games 2nd 135 Hits 3rd 156 2B 1st 43 HR 4th 19 HR 5th 18 TB 1st 255 SB 5th 43 SLG 2nd 0.520 Ave. 1st 0.318 Wins 1st 12 ERA 3rd 2.88 GS 5th 26 CG's 4th 1 CG's 4th 1 SHO 2nd 1 Saves 4th 20 IP 2nd 153 Walks 5th 68 K’s 1st 151 K’s 5th 135 WHIP 3rd 1.1 Holds 1st 17
Offensive MVP: With all due respect to Jerry Sands, I’m going to give this award to Brian Cavazos-Galvez. While Sands had an outstanding 69 games with the Loons, the fact that he was promoted to AA in late June caused him to miss out on this award. BCG, on the other hand, got off to a tough start with Great Lakes (.256 average and .669 OPS prior to the All Star Break), but really turned things around in the 2nd half of the season. After the All Star Break, Galvez hit .375 in 62 games, hit 14 of his 16 homers, and posted a 1.043 OPS. In fact, his strong 2nd half was good enough for Galvez to claim the Loons RBI title with 77, and also win the league’s batting title. In addition, Brian led the league with 255 total bases, paced the team with a surprising 43 stolen bases, and was very versatile in the outfield as he played 23 games in left field, 43 games in center, and 24 games in right. Overall, the 23 year old had a stellar season and was pretty much the face of the Loons once Sands left the team.
Best Offensive Prospect: While Jerry Sands didn’t spend enough time with the team to be worthy of the MVP award, he did accumulate enough at bats in my opinion to be crowned as the team’s best offensive prospect. His only other competition were the other outfielders on the Loons (Smith, BCG, and Songco), and while each of those guys had solid seasons, they didn’t even come close to matching Sand’s offensive performance. Sands separated himself from the rest of the pack by hitting 35 homers in 502 total at bats in 2010, and posting a .981 OPS. He also only struck out in 20.8% of his at bats, and committed just 7 errors all season while playing 5 different positions. Based on his season and potential, some may say that Sands is not only the Loons best offensive prospect, but the Dodgers overall top offensive prospect heading into the 2011 season. After the season, Sands was named by Baseball America as the 18th best player in the Midwest League, although I’m sure he would have been ranked higher had he stayed with the Loons all season.
Pitching MVP: I don’t think there is any question that Allen Webster was the pitching MVP of this team. He led the team (and the league) with 12 wins, and had an outstanding 2.88 ERA for the season. He was also very consistent, posting a 2.88 ERA against both lefties and righties, and recording a 2.90 ERA at home vs. 2.85 on the road. Also, while his strikeout numbers weren’t overpowering, batters still only hit .239 against him. Overall, while Webster wasn’t able to lead the Loons to a Midwest League title, he was a big reason why the Loons had the best record in all of minor league baseball.
Best Pitching Prospect: Deciding on the Loons best pitching prospect was a difficult decision. While I ended up giving the award to Rubby De La Rosa, I definitely considered Allen Webster because he is a full year younger than Rubby and already had a couple of plus pitches. However, Rubby won me over with this 100+ mph fastball, his power slider, and his success at AA. Velocity is something you can’t teach, and I’m excited about De La Rosa’s potential. While I’m not convinced that Rubby will be a starter in the big leagues, even if he works out of the bullpen he still has a ton of value because he profiles as a dominate reliever. If there is something that we learned from Kenley Jansen this year it’s that if you throw hard with movement and have control, you can get big league hitters out. Control is the one part of that equation that Rubby needs to work on (although his control is better than most of our pitching prospects), but once he masters that he could be our next big rookie sensation. Baseball America ranked De La Rosa as the 15th best prospect in the Midwest League, although like Sands he probably would have been higher if he didn’t get promoted to AA.
1st Base: 3 players spent considerable time at 1st base for the Loons in 2010, and Jaime Ortiz led the way with 73 games. Ortiz had a mediocre season, and has really disappointed me over the past few years. After hitting 13 home runs for the Loons back in 2008, I thought that he could potentially break out with a big season in the California League in 2009. Instead, Ortiz hit just 5 homers for the 66ers and found his way back to Great Lakes in 2010. Now 22 years old, he no longer has the excuse of age, and I’m really not sure what the Dodgers are going to do with him going forward.
Chris Jacobs has also had a disappointing career, and 2010 was no different. The big right handed hitter ended up hitting just .215 for the Loons, although he did finally show a little power with 7 homers in just 149 at bats. He’s another player whose future is up in the air at this point.
Finally, Jerry Sands held down 1st base for the first couple of months of the season, while also playing some outfield. To add to the accolades, Sands had a .994 fielding percentage at 1st base while with the Loons, and was voted as the best defensive 1st baseman in all of Low Class A.
2nd Base: 2nd base was almost exclusively manned by Rafael Ynoa during 2010. Ynoa had an all around solid year for the Loons at the plate, although I’m not quite as high on him as some other people are. Don’t get me wrong, he surprised me with his 9 homers and 40 stolen bases, but I already fell for his tricks once so I’m going to be a little more cautious this time. After the 2008 season, I ranked Rafael #89 in my Dodger prospect ranking, which may not seem high, but was a pretty good ranking for a 21 year old 2nd baseman playing in Rookie Ball. But sure enough in 2009, Ynoa hit just .054 with a .240 OPS in 147 at bats, so I was forced to say that I whiffed on my ranking of him. Now he goes and does this, so I’m not sure what to think. Basically I’m going to need to see more of the same from him in 2011 before I take him too seriously. However, he did start playing shortstop late in the season and in the playoffs, so if he can somehow continue to play at shortstop in the future, then that boosts his value immensely.
3rd Base: The hot corner was pretty much Brian Ruggiano’s position from start to finish. However, he didn’t have a very good year at the plate or in the field as the he hit just .255 with a .718 OPS and made 22 errors. Those numbers aren’t even close to what he did last year in Ogden, when he batted .371 with a 1.031 OPS. That just goes to show how different the Pioneer League is from the Midwest League. At 24 years old, the Dodgers will probably have to decide this offseason if Ruggiano is worth keeping around.
Shortstop: Christian Lara had a bit of a resurgence with the Loons in 2010, but I’m going to attribute that to the fact that he was much older than the rest of the league, and had already played 3 seasons of High A baseball heading into the season. He surprised a lot of people with 10 homers and a .290 average, but at 25 years old that is basically expected out of him. He is yet another player that may not be worth keeping in 2011.
Bryant Hernandez also played some shortstop for Great Lakes in 2010, but the 2009 9th round pick really struggled at the plate. He hit just .164 in 146 at bats and stuck out in 33.1% of his plate appearances. Nevertheless, the 22 year old was promoted to the California League in August, but he continued to struggle there as well.
Catcher: The catching duties for the Loons were split pretty evenly between J.T. Wise and Gorman Erickson. These two guys are very different players, and had very different seasons. Erickson is the younger of the two at 22 years old, and he had a very poor year. He batted just .215 with 2 homers, and had an OPS of just .619 in 261 at bats. The 6’4" switch hitter did have a few positives in his season, however, as he had a very good walk to strikeout ratio, and had another strong defensive behind the plate. Overall, I was hoping for a lot more out of Erickson in 2010 and his prospect status is fading quickly, but he still might be young enough to turn his career around.
J.T. Wise’s season started off just as bad as Erickson’s, which caused me to almost write him off early in the season. His .235 average prior to the All-Star break just wasn’t cutting it for a 24 year old in the Midwest League. However, Wise was able to flip the switch at some point in July and ended up hitting .309 for the season by posting a .400 average after the All-Star break along with a 1.089 OPS. He also ended the year with 12 homers and 62 RBI’s. I’m still not sold on Wise since he was one of the oldest offensive players on the team and because it took him so long to get going, but his 2nd half performance bought him at least another year of evaluation. In addition, he is probably the best hitting catching prospect in the organization so the Dodgers will want to see what he can do against tougher opposition. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if he saw AA next season.
Outfield: The Loons outfield was very talented, and featured the team’s 4 best hitters. Jerry Sands, who was discussed above was the best of the bunch, although he only played 27 games in the outfield before getting promoted to AA. When he was playing the outfield for the Loons, he spent most of his time in right field.
Brian Cavazos-Galvez’s season was also already discussed above, and as mentioned he played all over the outfield. However, he is definitely best suited for a corner outfield spot in higher levels, with left field being his most likely destination.
Blake Smith was the team’s main right fielder, and he had a very solid season. He led the team with 19 homers, and posted a .281 average. He also had an OPS of .852 and picked up 11 outfield assists with his strong arm. This was a huge improvement over 2009 when he was pretty much awful. The one area in which the 22 year needs to get better is his strikeout rate, and hopefully that will get better with experience. I’m really pulling for Blake as a prospect since so many people wrote him off after his dreadful 2009.
Mario Songco was the everyday left fielder, and despite a 2nd half slump he still had a solid season. The youngest of the outfield group, Songco clubbed 15 homers in a team high 507 at bats. In addition, his OPS was .841 in the first half of the season before falling to .790 at the end of the year. Mario is not a big or imposing player by any stretch of the imagination, but he does have legit power as he hit one ball over 500 feet last season. In addition, while the left handed batter has better stats against right handed pitchers, he held his own against lefties with a .250 average.
The only other player to spend a significant amount of time in the Loons outfield during the 2010 season was Nick Buss, who had started the year in the California League but was demoted back to LoA in late June. Chili, who had a terrible time with the 66ers, showed some improvement with Great Lakes but was still very mediocre. The 23 year old was a little old for the league, and his only impressive stat was that he stole 20 stolen bases in 61 games.
Starting Pitchers: The Loons rotation faced several challenges in 2010, but was able to overcome trades and promotions to put together a very fine season. Brett Wallach and Elisaul Pimentel were key starters for the Loons for the 1st half of the season, but both were traded at the end of July. Will Savage, who was way too old for the Midwest League, started the season very strong and had a 2.80 ERA through 13 starts, but was promoted to the 66ers in June. Rubby De La Rosa, who actually started the year in the bullpen, was really hitting hit groove as a starter when he too got promoted in mid-July.
Now that we’ve covered the members who left the Loons rotation during the season, let’s focus on the guys who stayed with the team for the whole year. Josh Wall was the team’s opening day starter, and led the team with 26 starts. It has been an interesting career path for Wall, who played a full season with the Loons way back in 2007 before spending 2008 and 2009 in the California League. After posting a combined ERA of 6.15 with Inland Empire, the 23 year old Wall found himself back in Great Lakes. While his stats weren’t amazing, for the most part Wall was able to regain his form against the younger competition as he posted a 4.24 ERA and 3.77 FIP while leading the league with 151 strikeouts. At the very least, his season proved that the 6’6" right hander deserves another chance against tougher competition.
Allen Webster was the team’s best starter, and I discussed his season stats above. What I didn’t talk about, however, was the fact that Baseball America ranked Webster as the 11th best prospect in the Midwest League. One scout was quoted as saying "He could end up being a stud. He has a couple of plus pitches and will be a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy."
One of the biggest surprises for the Loons this year was Matt Magill’s outstanding season. While I’m sure many thought that he’d do well in the Midwest League, I’m sure nobody expected that he’d lead all of minor league baseball with a batting average against of just .194. In addition, his 3.28 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, and 9.6 K/9 were all better than what most people would have predicted for him in 2010. The one thing I will say about Magill’s season, however, is that he was a little bit lucky since he had two very bad starts washed out by rain. In addition, scouts describe his stuff as just average, although I saw him hit at least 94 this year and I know he has a good slider. It will be interesting to see how Magill performs in 2011.
Greg Wilborn was a late season addition to the Loons rotation, but he made the most of his time in Great Lakes. Wilborn recorded a 3.26 ERA in 7 starts and struck out over 11 batters per inning. As I mentioned in my Ogden Raptors report, the lefty features a slider, curveball, and changeup, and can get his fastball up to 94 mph. His late season surge with the Loons really put his name on the Dodger prospect radar, and I’m guessing that he’ll pitch in at least HiA next season.
Finally, Ryan Christenson made 7 starts with the Loons in the 2nd half of the season, but his stats were pretty disappointing. After dominating the Arizona Rookie League, Christenson posted a 6.75 ERA in Great Lakes while striking out just 6.5 batters per 9 innings. The 21 year old lefty, who was drafted in the 7th round of the 2010 draft, will most likely return to the Loons in 2011.
Relief Pitchers: Several pitchers were valuable members of the Loons bullpen in 2010. Steve Smith (righty) and Jordan Roberts (lefty) were the main middle relief inning eaters for Great Lakes, throwing 73.2 and 64 innings, respectively. Both had very strong seasons statistically, however they are also both 24 years old which makes them basically non-prospects.
Besides Roberts, Andrew Suiter was the only other lefty out of the bullpen, and he had an interesting season. Looking at his stats, it seems like every batter Suiter faced either walked or struck out as he K’d 12.9 batters per 9 innings, but also walked almost a batter per inning. When it was all said and done, Suiter ended up with a respectable 3.91 ERA. If can learn better control, he can be a real wild card in our system as Logan White said after he was drafted "this kid has a really good arm…He's throwing 94-95 now and has a good change and a good curve ball."
J.B. Paxson is a big guy at 6’3" and 240 pounds, and had a solid season with the Loons in 2010. He posted a 3.02 ERA in 53.2 innings and struck out over a batter per inning. Even though he is another player who is already 24 years old, I get the sense that he has a brighter future than Smith or Roberts.
Justin Miller who had made 53 starts from 2008 – 2009, was converted to a full time reliever in 2010 and found a great deal of success. Miller started the season in LoA, but was promoted to Chattanooga after recording a 1.30 ERA in 34.2 innings. This sinkerball was one of the breakout pitchers in 2010, and he could make an appearance in Los Angeles as early as next season.
Luis Vasquez had a terrible season in 2009, but was handed the Loons closer role to start the 2010 season. Luckily he took the job and ran with it as he put together a very strong season. In 40.1 innings Vasquez had a 2.68 ERA, and batters amazingly just .173 against him for the season. His only problem was his relatively high walk rate. In addition, is yet another pitcher who is already 24 years old, so that’s to his disadvantage.
Finally, Steven Ames joined the team at the end of June, stole the closer role from Vasquez, and had an incredible season. In 28.1 innings Ames struck out 44 batters (13.98 K/9), walked only 3, picked up 16 saves, and had a WHIP of 0.85. In addition, his FIP of 0.41 was one of the lowest I’ve seen for somebody with at least 25 innings. I’m not 100% sure what his pitching arsenal consists of, but I’ve heard he hits at least 94 mph with this fastball. Steven will have just turned 23 years old when the 2011 season starts, and I really hope that he finds his way up to AA next year given his dominant pitching performances over the past two seasons.
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By the way
I’ll be using the results from all of the season in review poll’s when putting together the polls for the Dodgers overall top prospect poll.
So many interesting prospects here
Great report, thanks.
Hard to choose who to be most excited by (or who we’ll be most disappointed by next year ;-) So De La Rosa’s fastest path to the bigs, and maybe even sometime next year, should be as a reliever a la Jansen, before they eventually give him a whirl as starter…?
A lot of outfielders I’m rooting for, like Smith (maybe I’m just biased because I saw him play once up here and remembered him), Songco and BCG. Besides Sands of course. Odds are most of them won’t make it as big leaguers but if even two of them do that would be quite nice.
PS: Nick “Chili” Buss?
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He's close to Sandoval
as a hitter, never strikes out, never walks, when he makes contact he hits the ball hard. Of course he’s a lot older and maybe going forward Pablo himself may not be very good.
I like to discredit this a lot more than most re: Fielder and Pandoval, but is BCG a salad dodger?
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He didn't look fat
in the one picture I saw of him.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if KLaw mentions any Dodger prospects here
in his AFL report
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=law_keith&id=5683872
Meh, probably not.
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no mention of Dodger prospects in Law's report
and yes, Nick Buss’ nickname is Chili
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 14, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally, Jerry Sands held down 1st base for the first couple of months of the season, while also playing some outfield. To add to the accolades, Sands had a .994 fielding percentage at 1st base while with the Loons, and was voted as the best defensive 1st baseman in all of Low Class A.
For some reason, I kept thinking that Sands could just mash and not field. That’s actually a really good surprise.
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Because KLaw said he's another Billy Ashley
before he actually knew anything about Sands. That comparison makes zero sense.
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Other then they are big white guys who hit a lot of home runs while striking out a lot
I think anyone who comes up with those attributes gets compared to Billy. Age/defense/patience seem to get ignored.
If Sands can be converted to a 3rd basemen, how long will that take? You think we’ll see him in the bigs by 2012?
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I don't know enough about the 3rd base question
but regardless I’d say yes to the 2012 question, barring apocalypse.
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I don't think they go through with the conversion
and that we will see him playing 1st/OF at some point in 2011. Very unusual to take a man his size and move him to a position like 3rd base at age 23 when he’s been mostly an OF his whole career. He may have the foot work from 1st base, but for the first time having to throw across the diamond at age 23. I don’t see it happening. We shall find out but he’s yet to play a game at 3rd in the AFL and if he ain’t doing it there I don’t see where he’s going to do it.
I though DeJon
said he was going to play most of his games at 3B? And how many games have even been played in the AFL yet?
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Oct 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I just remember Ashley famously being nicknamed "Stone Hands"
which no one would label Sands with.
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We're making tshirts
that say “Harvard: The Vanderbilt of the North”
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But
Vanderbilt’s not even the Harvard of the South : p
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Although
Berkeley is the Yale of the West
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Berkeley is the French Quarter of the West
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Berkeley, The French Quarter, Yale
Name three places where that could outdrink Ireland
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
thus
I suggest tshirts that say “Yale: The Berkeley of the East”
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so are we making Duke the Yale of the South, or just ignoring them : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
apparently
Sure. I actually think Yale is slightly more prestigious than Harvard, anyway
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that of course depends on if you ask a Yalie or a Harvard bloke
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Magill actually intrigues me. I support middle of the rotation guys who are cheap.
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I like my women like my starting pitchers. Cheap, middle of the road, and replacable.
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that sounds like you’re describing a line of sex dolls
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he was
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Do you love Sands? Generally speaking, I usually pay more attention when you mention someone. I respect your opinion. :)
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But
will you respect his opinions in the morning?
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don't be jealous
you know I only have eyes for you, Michael.
./flutter
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I think we love the idea of Jerry Sands
and coming up with a homegrown power stick. The hope may be overinflating the predictions.
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That and simple desperation for offense.
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You think they look like Alicia Keys, but you wake up next to Mo’Nique.
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Right now Sands looks like Jason Bay
I just hope we don’t wake up with John Bowker
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Comparing sands to Jason Bay is giving Jason bay too much credit. He seems a lot more like JD Drew.
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Canuck made the comp and it seems perfect to me
Tall right handed power hitter, with decent speed, strikes out a lot, has plate discipline, and came late as a prospect.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember Canuck made a similar comparison between Red sox prospect Casey Kelly and Zach Lee
In Keith Law’s blog, he said Kelly reached 94 and had two plus pitches with his curveball and changeup.. Like Lee..
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I focused too much on Bay’s failure as a defensive player. Drew never struck out more than 22% of the time, played good D, and was/is known for OBP skills.
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Sands is going to K more then 22% of the time
and at one time Bay was a good outfielder.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
JD Drew on based something like .460 between AA and AAA at age 22.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not like I’d be upset if we stumbled into Jason Bay in the 25th round. I just thought Sands was a better contact hitter and fielder than Bay.
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Jason Bay is really really really really really really really good.
Really.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
This is how we get disappointed in all our prospects.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
Bay would be the most optimistic result. Bowker the most likely.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Sands is a year ahead of Bowker, but other than that the comparison is scary good.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Getting Jason Bay from our farm system woudl be fantastic.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't stop...
believing?
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HEY NOW
us fat kids need love too!
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You are fat
like I am tall.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats offensive to fat people
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what, commenting on someone saying they didn’t mean to fall into bed with an overweight person? Oh the shame.
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I think he meant it in the sense that you’re as fat as I am Mexican.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah
but I was on the precipice of fat. I was what some guys would label as “thick”
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True, but someone just looking at your avatar would be baffled.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
what reg said. Not that I actually care, I’m fat because of my own issues. I don’t blame others for my failings.
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Oh
I used to eat my feelings, they were delicious, I totally understand
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I picked up 10 pounds recently
Time to be more diligent about my eating habits again!
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I dropped another 10 lbs randomly, but it’s not because I’ve been healthy. I need to start working out again and eat regularly. Nachos and beer do not a dinner make!
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Yes they do!
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you're right
they totally do, but my tummy doesn’t appreciate it the next morning. I think I tried to drink my weight in Yuengling last night.
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This is why beer can’t be under two dollars.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I know. DAMN YOU, NASHVILLE
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When I was in New York a bar by NYU was selling five shots for 10 dollars.
I have no idea how my girlfriend made it through college/grad school.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
My feeling taste like
Mint chocolate chip. Well, most of my weight gain has been around finals and mid terms(which there are a lot of in a quarter system), when I would stop taking care of myself for a week or two and focus on tests, and then never lose any of the weight. Which is a shame cause the one year of rugby I played freshman year had gotten me into pretty darn good shape.
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yeah
Mine tasted like stuffed crust pizza and velveeta with shells. And booze. So that + not doing anything + stress = bad.
Might I suggest kickboxing…? :)
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Listen to this woman.
Also it means you can start listing your occupation as “fighter” and wear stupid T-Shirts.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I already wear stupid T-Shirts though
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now you can cut the ARMS off of them and totally rock sleeveless tees.
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I really need to be Mac for Halloween.
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I really need to put effort into my Matt Bellamy soon, or I’m going as Nancy again.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I just need to go jogging with my dogs
I keep starting and stopping, just need to get into the rythm.
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kickboxing
is fun
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
My daoughter's boyfriend
teaches kickboxing and martial arts on the weekends in Westchester/Culver City. Looks like fun to me.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess you won't be telling him
what time to bring your daughter home
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Does DY not believe in guns?
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The equalizer.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Given that she doesn't live with us anymore
What say do I have in the matter?
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Financial support?
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Heh
There is that.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If I let my not living at home
detract from my father’s ability to mock/goof on/threaten the men I bring home, then I think I might as well just kill him.
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Facebook status
Polishing my gun
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides, you've met me
I am hardly the most intimidating guy to begin with!
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dont ruin it
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Oct 14, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrew Suiter
Wild Ass Lefty. It had to be said.
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And the name
Andrew Suiter sounds like a political pundit, or a White House spokesman, not a baseball player.
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Has Rubby De La Rosa
really been clocked over 100?
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per Baseball America
Great Lakes clocked him at 102 mph on its radar gun—other sources clocked him as high as 99-100
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 14, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Destination Unknown
Rubby rubby rubby rubby soho
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
RUBBY RUBBY RUBBY RUBBY
ahhhhh oh! A do ya do ya do ya do ya!
(ok, I just like that song…and will now have it stuck in my head forever)
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by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Report Brandon
You needed the high of writing about the Loons, to counteract the depressing act to follow.
Queue Tripon’s “Just as Planned” gif
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Luckily
Jansen, Miller, Russell, Wallach, Eovaldi, and my fav Solano spent enough time there to get some write up.
Eovaldi just screams “reliever” to me. I mean, if we keep drafting these guys who throw hard, maybe have one good secondary pitch, but who can’t really control them, we’re going to have the best, cheapest bullpen of any non-contender.
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I don’t think Eovaldi even has one “good” secondary pitch.
His curve ball is crap.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He's young (only 20 still)
plus he is the guy who came off TJ while in high school, so while Gould may grow into velocity, Nate might get his secondary pitches working with reps. Key year coming up.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a lot of “key year coming up” for many of our prospects. Notably E. Martin, Withrow, Dee, Lindblom, etc, etc..
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Lindblom
Off the prospect radar completely, IMO.
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He's already been converted to relief
he’s a head of the game. He has the same stuff every one was excited about before.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully his loss of stuff was a stamina issue, because he was throwing 88 straight balls from the pen.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
He’s more Cory Wade now than anything.
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
True
if that holds up, for some I reason I’m optimistic he rebounds this spring with his old stuff.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
people give up on prospects to easily sometimes.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I never believed in Lindblom if it makes you feel better.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
As what?
Never would be able to be a solid setup man, or the more unlikely that he could help in the rotation?
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought his peak would be middle reliever, maybe setup man. His results never matched the reports on his stuff.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know who you believe in
if it makes you feel better.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he believes in anyone from our system
Andy LaRoche has forever corrupted his ability to dream.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
People mock me when I use historical comps to much
but I’ll always rememeber you asking the question has anyone failed who had LaRoche’s skills in the minor leagues. Who knew Andy would be the answer to your question about Andy.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't he finally come up with
Brad Komminsk?
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Even then Komminsk only had the LaRoche type numbers for one year.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you know what this site's
line was when Reg ran it?
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
“A place to discuss Andy Laroche and the Dodgers”
Oh Reg… Oh you…
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you use the go back machine?
what is that link again, I’m ego centric enough that I’d like to check some things out.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
"Go back machine?!"
Wayback Machine!
Wayback!
C’mon! Sherman! Mr. Peabody! C’mon!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You must have love the
concluding puns. Loved that cartoon.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed I did.
I’m trying to figure out if the time is right to introduce Spawn to the wonders of that show.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
When would the time
be wrong? I think I remember playing that and similar cartoons (on VHS!) when my daughter was 4 or so.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It might all go over her head
and she’d be bored.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
the proper age for cartoons
it is, as Josie may prefer it to be put, a “sticky wicket”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
It ain't
all that difficult love, no more than bowling a wicket maiden it is
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, perhaps
the visuals are not enough. My memory is bad, maybe it was at age 5 or 6? I guess a certain amount of vocabulary is required.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Not sure you need to know The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam to be in on that particular joke, but it is indicative of where the show’s humor was at.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
We got half a season of Manny out of it
so not a complete bust in my eyes!
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heh, sad but true re: last part
I will say though, that having an all home grown bullpen of talented young cheap guys sure sounds a lot better to me than giving up prospects for Dotel type vet relievers. IF Ned and Co have learned lesson maybe they’ll go forth with all prospect ’pen, rather than waste time and money on overpriced older relievers.
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Definitely. It’s a great way to cheaply round out a pitching staff. Plus, if you load up on these hard throwers and keep using them as starters in the minors to build experience, maybe you’ll run into a stud starter or two. It just feels a lot like “One of t hese guys has to turn into Roger Clemens, right?”
Throw enough crap against a wall eventually everything stinks.
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Two things
saw the BA chat yesterday about the Pacific Coast League Top 20 (no Dodgers), there was a question about Elbert and DeJesus, writer thought Elbert would have been listed had he pitched enough and while DeJesus does have skills, nothing stood out to make him a Top 20 guy.
The other thing is I went back to my ragged copy of the 2005 BA Prospect Book and thought what would be a fair way to quantify their rankings, the easiest would be to add up the number of MLB games the players on their lists played.
So I started and who knows if I will ever finish, the first team is going to be one to beat, the then Anaheim Angeles Top 30 players have over 5400 MLB games played through 2010. I can say for sure the Dodger Top 30 won’t be within 1000 games of that.
Jon Weisman at Dodger Thoughts
with another masterpiece. I can definitely relate with parts of it.
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It’s a hard lesson to learn that the effort that you’re comfortable with is not always enough.
Oh hey there, graduate school, that’s the epiphany I had this morning
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Hit me in College
Used to be I could coast until test time and then just turn it on and pull out the grade, but college trampled me when I tried that.
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yeah, I just realized that I should probably start trying a bit harder because while I’m doing well, I’m not doing fantastic. I’d like to do fantastic cos that’s what PhD programs want…
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hehe
CONTROL, CONTROL, you must learn control!
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You of all people
would be one in Nashville quoting Master Yoda. :)
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The comparison between sports and academia actually works here. The naturally brightest people in my doctoral class never finished. It took a combination of talent and Jamey Carroll-esque grindyness.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 14, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
So many people go through a huge chunk of their lives
being told how special they are, and being the best at everything. At some point most of those people reach a level where that isn’t true anymore, and some simply can’t cope.
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The source Ken Rosenthal, so take it for what that is worth
but this is an interesting little tidbit:
The Dodgers denied permission for Wallach to speak with the Jays, major-league sources say. The reason: Wallach’s contract with the Dodgers only allows him to interview with certain clubs, and the Jays are not one of them, according to a source.
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Link
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
comes a time where resigning might be the best medicine if you thought you had a decent shot at the gig. At the least he should easily be hire – able as another AAA manager somewhere as a fall back. What kind of team doesn’t let the coaches interview with anyone for a manager gig when they just filled their spot with a brand new model?
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Wallach's local
Maybe he wanted his fallback to be here in LA, not Round Rock or some such place, and this was the compromise that was reached.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
if you sign a contract with certain conditions, it really isn’t the team’s fault for exercising their rights.
Wallach could have risked it, but he wanted some security, it is the price you pay.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see the reason for blocking the Blue Jays though. If you’re going to block any team, wouldn’t it be the NL West teams?
Maybe Wallach wanted the Jays blocked
but didn’t want there to be a perception that he doesn’t want to manage certain places.
kinda what i was thinking. I don’t know where I would look this up, but I have to imagine managers getting their start in the AL East is like death to a career.
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exactly
there are only 30 of these jobs…. is what they all say. I would manage any team if I had a chance.
As would I. But, given that I have as much MLB managerial experience as he does, I have to think trying to figure out how to beat the Yankees and Red Sox in over 20% of my games has to be a daunting task.
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(Heh – I just noticed your new avatar)
Then there is that whole living and working in Canada thing, eh.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Wallach was allowed
to pick the N teams he would be allowed to speak with.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
That would make sense
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Songco goes by Angelo
Mario is his first name but he goes by Angelo. I asked him his preference when I met him in Spring Training.
Either way it will probably never be spoken by the Dodger PA announcer
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll take him on
as a writer?
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
We have a glut of outfielders
who all seem a head of him on the depth chart:
Trayvon, Sands, Smith, Glavez, then Landry, Garcia, then Baldwin should all pass him fairly quickly. Trades could happen to thin the herd.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
trades per Ned
means giving up most of those guys for Miguel Cairo, Arturo Jockstrapo and Zippy the flying chipmunk when the team is 60 games under .500 at the break. An existential scream, “Hey I’m somebody, I’m the GM of the Dodgers”
by preacher roe on Oct 14, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey there
Not even a month yet, congrats on the wedding.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
TJ Simers
That has not been much of a problem for those purchasing tickets in the past. As much as anything, they were buying the Dodger Stadium experience, which leads me to my list of questions:
1. Because no one knows right now what the Dodgers will do or will not do to improve, is the stadium experience enough to lure you there?
2. The Dodgers traditionally have been almost like family; have the McCourts changed that for you?
3. If you had the chance to say something to McCourt, what would it be?
4. Do you think UCLA will ever improve? (Sorry, wrong column).
5. Has anything really changed, or should we automatically expect the Dodgers to draw 3.5 million next season?
“The players on the field are only a part of why people come to Dodger Stadium,” said the team spokesman. "It’s the fan experience, tradition and time spent with the family. Year in and year out, that doesn’t change.
“There’s also Frank McCourt’s history of success. Since he arrived we’ve made the postseason four out of seven years.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-20101013,0,1845118.column?page=2
1) Yes
2) No
3) Hire Eric
4) Yes
5) No, Yes
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric has the most insane work ethic I have ever seen.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If only he worked that hard for the folk who pay him
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric is going to leave for the big time one of these days, then where will you be? My aspirations are not that high.
Have a “Show a G, get in free” promo night.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to get in on the marketing/promotions. I have ideas, but that is not my background, or my degree.
What are they so we shoot them full of holes
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on
we put ourselves out there every day for everyone to take a shot at us. Your usually commenting, now is a chance to wow us.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess my number one goal
Would be to get some of the Japanese/Korean baseball fans to actually show up to games. They were there, and vocal for the WBC, we know they exist. That would be so cool for Dodger games. I do not have the answer for that. But when I figure it out, it would be worth millions to Frank.
When Eric is GM
He’ll get rid of all of the most popular players, and when fans complain, he’ll say, “Go fuck yourselves!”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would actually love to have that press conference. Mixed in with a little Earl Weaver’s Manager’s Corner.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Serious question
who is considered a “good” GM!
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Of the top of my head
Walt Jocketty
Billy Beane
Brian Cashman – though his job is easier because of the money
Theo Epstein – see: Brian Cashman
Andrew Friedman
Kevin Towers
Did I miss anyone of note?
Maybe Bill Smith, Amaro (I give him credit for trading for Lee and giving up nothing, then trading for Halladay giving up nothing, but negative points for destroying the market for 1B by giving howard that contract and for not getting anything for Lee when he traded him away)
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Bill Smith traded Johan Santana for I don’t even remember who anymore and gave four years to Nick Blackburn. He’s on the very bottom of mediocre.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
They got Carlos Gomez! lol.
Is he also the guy who traded AJ Pierzynski for Liriano, Nathan and Bonser?
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Nope, that was Terry Ryan. I think Smith was behind Garza for Delmon too.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I have an irrational hatred of the man
but that’s not really based in reality, more on the fact that I had to suffer through “emails” from him while QAing a game
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unless
he meant because he gave us Ethier. Reverse sucks?
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I mean for developing a decade’s worth of playoff contenders on the cheap, knowing exactly when to deal players away, always getting something in return, and how to manipulate the system to meet his needs. It wasn’t until he got some money to play with that he traded Carlos Gonzalez and Huston Street to Colorado for Holliday.
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Billy Beane
like all GMs, makes some good moves and ones that don’t work out.
It got him a piece of the A’s which makes him more secure than almost anyone else on this list.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a pretty high standard
not sure it is necessarily fair but kudos to you for having it
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
At least give me one. It is one thing to tread water in a bad situation like him, but you gotta win eventually.
I gotta agree.
Somebody once had a study that showed that baseball teams’ profits max out with a contending team that doesn’t quite make the postseason — that is, mid-80s wins. To win more, the team gets too expensive; win too few games and fans stop showing up.
And I would think that a GM could get to that place and tread water for a long time. Contend, don’t quite make it.
What is harder is to know when, and how, to trade future resources for present day success. If a GM can successfully get a success cycle going — win a pennant, fall back to mediocrity, come back to win another pennant — that shows his talent.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck?
Having to rely on your prospects, and trading them at exactly the right time for more young prospects who may or may not pan out is tough.
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Billy's made some bad trades that looked bad and turned out to be bad.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Every GM makes bad trades. You don’t need to bat 1.000
The Phillies traded away Cliff Lee for seemingly no good reason. Nobody makes every right move.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Recently or always?
I can remember a time when he could seemingly do no wrong, but the last few years not so much.
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Name the last good player Beane drafted.
There’s your problem.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Dayton Moore
is listed as bad GM but has had brilliant drafts lately. Does he get credit for those or does he simply get credit for finally hiring the right scouting director?
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We’ll see if it turns into results. The Royals have a habit of breaking hyped draft picks.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He deserves some of the credit if/when they pan out and the Royals start playing better
Part of being a great leader is surrounding yourself with a great team.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That and listining to that great team
once you have assembled them
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And that was more of a “if the Marlins can do it why can’t the A’s” instead of a why is Billy a bad GM response.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the playoffs are a crapshoot.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck
having one to many Giambi’s on your roster. Then again without the steroid his teams may not even be playing in those playoffs.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
then again
I will go to my grave saying Giambi was safe at the plate. And that would have changed everything.
I try to go strictly by trades and signings. They are the only thing the GM controls. Even drafts, players who look like diamonds turn into CZ. Injuries throughout a season, and more directly to your standard, running into a hot team in the playoffs, does not make the guy at the top a bad GM.
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Whoever does it for the Rays?
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Good – If you GM in the AL East and aren’t the Orioles guy.
Mediocre – Everyone else except
Bad – Ed Wade, Dayton Moore
Funnest – Kenny Williams
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as i enjoy ragging on Colleti
I am glad he is not Ed Wade
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He might have his chance to prove he is
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If he overpays a middle reliever this offseason I’m moving him to the Wade tier.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If all he does this offseason
is sign shitty relievers and veteran players he might actually be Ed Wade in disguise.
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Question: Who would you rather have as owner
Broke but well-intentioned (my impression) Frank McCourt
or
Rich, Someone take my money before I blow up Texas with it Drayton McLane
Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!
I think you are being generous by declaing Frank McCourt well - intentioned
I’ll take hamburger C.
Under capitalized Los Angeleno, life long Dodger fan, understands Dodger tradition and doesn’t wish to turn his franchise into Boston/NYY West. Understands that a Giant Assist GM should never come within 100 yards of Chavez Ravine.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds like
Eric Stephan. Or you. Or me.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Yes
2) No
3) Please upgrade the chairs in the press box (selfish, I know)
4) Yes – at least at something
5) No, yes.
What job should Eric be hired for? He wouldn’t last as a special assistant to the GM – over/under on the first “Go fuck yourself” to Ned is 3.5 days – so maybe analyst on one of the broadcast teams?
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I sent a reply to Simers
giving my honest answers.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Most anyone at any level in any job anywhere
need that
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1. Absolutely
2. The McCourts will NEVER change that
3. Grant TBLA all access
4. 2011
5. Not really, yes
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
1. Yes
2. No, has not been like family for years
3. Sell the team and I cannot believe that is not the number one answer here
4. Yes
5. No, bad team, tough environment, expensive tickets, could impact.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I will really be rooting for Sands and Magill next year, not just because they are great prospects, but because I love rooting for guys who are drafted low and constantly overlooked.
We love the underdog
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Webster will be top 5 Dodgers organization prospect
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Just meaning
he was also an afterthought in the draft
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Current
ESPN LA front page poll is keep or dump DSB at DS. Dump is ahead at 55% at the moment.
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I'd think it would be a land slide
did they do a sidebar noting that song was written and performed by a Giant fan?
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Will Matt Kemp be attending some celebrity nuptials?
Link.
[Katy] Perry also has something else to look forward to than strutting her stuff on the Victoria’s Secret runway – she is set to marry comedian and actor Russell Brand in India, where he proposed in 2009. Her bachelorette party planner, singer Rihanna, broke the news in April. It is unclear when the nuptials will take place.
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if/when Katy Perry's career fizzles out
she will have a career in lingerie, most definitely.
Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll
Poor man's Zooey
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Bigger knockers
but I would take Zooey
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Same. Zooey’s music is also better.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Maybe, maybe not
but that’s not a comparison I care to indulge in. Zooey sure is purdy but she has a thin voice.
Give me Neko Case. I like a woman who when she sings, she sounds like she means it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Something about the link isn't working
doesn’t even show up in preview, but if I copy paste it works
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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Some sites prevent hot-linking
and the pics don’t show up.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t you want to be between those two?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be eying zooeys eyes
while trying to peak at perry’s bazingas
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Meant to say face not eyes
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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I only have eyes
for Zooey.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
She'll probably go the Gwen Stefani route
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Have kid
???
Profit?
FWIW, I think Gwen is way more talented
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No Doubt about that.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp hanging out with Russell Brand is bizarre.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That was
the vision I was having. I bet Matt Kemp could rock those black leather pants better than Russell Brand does though.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Tony Jackson with a gem
In the winter of 1988, when the Dodgers were coming off back-to-back losing seasons, they signed Kirk Gibson, a notorious take-no-prisoners guy, found out early in spring training that he meant business, then went on to win the World Series. The Dodgers desperately need a guy like that now.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/columns/story?id=5656404
I’m sure I’m late to this party, but I don’t think a “take-no-prisoners” guy works anymore.
Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!
I don’t even know what that means.
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Speirs in Band of Brothers
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSbC3uUF0k
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Just that one time, as far as we know.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 14, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure of that
I think the absolute best Bonds could hope for in 2011 is Mark McGwire’s 2001: .187/.316/.492
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
WOW
Is Mark the only player to slug .480+ while batting below .200?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes (with minimum 360 PA)
the next closest is Carlos Pena’s 2009 season .227/.356/.537
The most identical is Dave Kingman’s 1975 season .231/.284/.494
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Billy Ashley, in 133 PA, came close in 1996….200/.331/.482.
Rob Deer hit .180/.359/.480 for the 1996 Padres, but he only had 64 PA.
Those are the only people with 50 PA
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Bonds today is probably in better physical shape than McGwire was. His body was a wreck at the end of his career.
The fact that Bonds would be an effective hitter today, at 46, is a myth.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I would have been pro-Barry in 2008 or even 2009, but I just think he’s a pipe dream now, and all the BS that would come with his signing would make it all not worth it to me.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
But just think
When everybody is talking about the Barry BS, they wouldn’t be talking about the divorce BS.
Genius. I am a genius.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dodgers could introduce him with a ton of smoke, and he would be both a literal and figurative smoke screen.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Are fans fickle enough to welcome Barry fuck you Bonds
though?
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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No! That's the point!
They would reject Bonds, and they would be so up in arms about Booo-arry that they would forget all about the drama what is Frank and Jamie.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
But they would blame the whole thing on Frank
so he loses anyways.
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Larry Bowa was a take no prisoners guy.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 14, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
problem with the Dodgers lately
they keep getting those guys at the tail end of their careers when they have little left in the tank.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
that is the answer, find a guy who was the best free agent on the market, was signed but had his deal voided, then we swoop in with a deal, plug him in LF, and watch him win a MVP. It is so easy.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The assumption is that the Mets will attempt to void his contract. Won’t happen without a fight from the MLBPA, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If Sidney Ponson couldn’t get his contract voided for assaulting a judge, then K-Rod’s contract won’t be voided.
They might reach a settlement, like the Orioles did with Ponson and the Rockies did with Denny Neagle. It would be expensive for the Mets, but if they wash their hands of him it’s a choice they might make.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m trying to think of a “Take-no-prisoners” guy playing in the majors, and can’t think of anybody. Even the assholes are less assholeiness than guys in the past.
Dan Uggla maybe?
Does Evan Longoria count? He’s the only one that immediately came to mind.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
there is that pic of him in Ed Hardy clothing.
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I don't recall anyone thinking Gibson was an asshole
he simply wanted the team to concentrate on winning more then on practical jokes.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
What Major League player wears Number Six?
Because, that guy takes no Prisoners.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey you know what the Dodgers need
to find someone like Willie Mays playing the sax instead of baseball
to find someone like Sandy Koufax playing basketball in Brooklyn
to find someone like Mickey Mantle in Oklahoma playing soccer
This time for Matt Barnes, it was an accident.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I am sure it wasn’t the first time she was was crushed,destroyed,impaled, or whatever you want to call it.
?
The Lakers girls I saw at Fan Jam were mostly short.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Fantasy Football question
Should I start S. Holmes or B. Lloyd at WR
and
Torain or McFadden or B. Jackson at RB?
Lloyd (probably no Revis) and Torain (bad Indy run D).
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Fantasy football etiquette
When asking such questions, mention who the opponents are for these players. Saves us from having to look it up.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
What if you know all the match-ups by heart? :)
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
in case you were curious, Mike, that’s why I like Silverwidow more
;)
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Maddz=Jem
truly truly truly outrageous
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, I actually used to watch that cartoon
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool.
The Jets and Denver are playing each other so that’s the answer to the WR question.
Redskins playing Colts, Raiders playing at SF, and GB have Miami at home.
Toraine then
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Kyle Shannahan OCed for the Texans for a couple years
he knows that to beat the Colts you run run run run run run and then run it some more.
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If you don't already know that matchups
why would the asker value your opinion? ;-)
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Bo Jackson for sure
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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I really loved Bo Jackson when I was a kid (height of Raiders fandom). Met him once too, although met is a strong word. A friend of mine’s dad was a big Wheel in Kansas City, so we got front-row tickets for a Royals-Angels game at the big A. After the game we went to the player’s hotel to meet Bo. First thing we see is Willie Wilson wearing an blue leather suit with a girl on either arm. We went into the hotel bar, where Bo (who if memory serves had struck out 3 or 4 times that game) as sitting. We waited in the corner with a Royals handler for about 10 minutes, then saw Bo put his head down on the bar and not get up for about 5 minutes. “Guys, I’m really sorry but Bo had a bad game and he’s not going to be able to meet you tonight”. Then we drove back to LA.
Ha Ha
I’m shocked he took that game that seriously. Bo may be in my top five favorite athletes to ever have the privilege to watch.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved my Bo Jackson shoes, and the poster my buddy had with him playing baseball and football
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 14, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I had two posters in my room
one was the black and white famous Nike poster, and one was him at a locker with half Raiders and half Royals gear in it.
i again bring up
the cartoon featuring him, Wayne Gretzky, and Micheal Jordon as a three-man team fighting the forces of EVIL!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I can help you out
on this one, but luckily you have probably already gotten some sound or unsound advice. Pepperoni or sausage pizza tonight? The matchup is I am at home this week taking on the $5 pizza from Little Caesers. My opponent will be getting the bread sticks and cheap Mexican beer. Not sure what I should do. Thoughts?
vr, Xei
I would go with Pepperoni. Solid choice. You know what you’re getting week to week with Pepperoni.
Sausage seems to be streaky. I’d need to know who Sausage is playing this week. Seems to me to be a flyer pick.
Your opponent will probably take and early lead with breadsticks and cheap Mexican Beer. But it will come down to Monday Night Football most likely and he will be hungry long after the breadsticks are gone and have nothing left.
JMO
Moving to a more private cubicle is definitely worth celebrating.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Just in time for the AFL!
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The Vikings are dead to me until Favre leaves
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Hans Moleman Productions Presents: Brett Favre Getting Hit By Football
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5z-EPqgK8Q
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
hey underdog!
give us Kyle Orton!
I can’t believe I am pleading for Kyle Orton. The world is going to end.
I've always liked Orton
I think his current stats are an abberation, but he has always seemed like a good game manager, doesn’t fuck things up for his team, and with a solid running game and defense could “lead” a team to the championship.
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by us you mean your fantasy team, or the Vikes?
He’s one of my 2 FFB QBs and I knew he’d be a steal. And no the Vikes can’t have him. Until 2012. :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Quinn is just an experienced backup
to have around for now and Tebow is the long term future. He looked good late in pre season, fwiw, but hasn’t been used at all so far this season, except for a couple of running plays that went nowhere, in the first game. Which is fine by me. They love Orton and want him around for at least one more year, give TT more time to understand the pro game and work on his footwork.
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The Vikings have been dead to me since 1969
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rams fan?
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Los Angeles Rams fan.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
thats what I mean. The Rams and Raiders are dead to me. If LA gets a team I hope its either an NFC team or the Jags(so I can go to Texans games).
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Exactly
Someday Joe Petibone will tackle Joe Fucking Capp and not let him jump over him.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Kapp
a fucking Cal guy to boot.
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by David Young on Oct 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
also
went to vegas this past week for my 5th time this year.
I hit my 3 leg baseball parlay on friday with Phillies, over in the phillies game, and braves.
so intense, i got so lucky when posey grounded into that DP with the bases loaded in the 9th! won SO MUCH MONEY.
then i blew it all the next day on college football. AHHHH!
It has been about 3 years since a football parlay paid off for me in Vegas. The good news is I only bet a total of $50 a trip and spread it around to a bunch of different parlays. I think $50 is worth the entertainment I get all day Sunday.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
My last baseball parlay lost because a certain Yankees team could not sweep the Red Sox
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 14, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I hit a 3 teamer n CFB early this year and lost a 5 teamer because of Minnesota scoring that late TD against USC.
I think...
I lost a parlay because of that as well. IIRC, one could also blame USC and them going for two.
@neufaustcan
I was in Vegas this past week as well!
I was there playing in the World Kickball Championship though. Didn’t have time to sit in the sportsbook unfortunately.
I was there playing in the World Kickball Championship though
This kind of comment needs some details attached. I don’t care if it tiddlywinks, a championship is a championship.
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Surprisingly
There is a fairly large nationwide contingent of competitive kickball playing although its more prevalent on the East Coast. There were 60 teams there that had to get invited to participate. 14 pools of 4 teams were set up that play in the morning and then it goes to elimination rounds where brackets are set up and it goes from round of 32 ro sweet 16 to elite 8, etc….
kickball!!!!
i ran into the kickball conventioneers at Club Lavo on Saturday night. It was ridiculous.
Ahhh
Yea that was the after, after party. I didn’t make it over there. I got stuck busting out an arsenal on the craps tables at the Bellagio.
First time at Lavo
and it was pretty sick actually. Going back Veterans weekend and will probably make it a priority to hit that up again.
Craps at the Bellagio!??! I can’t roll that high.
I left the tourney feeling pretty good because we went in ranked 44th, and swept our pool making it to the the sweet 16 before losing to the #3 team in the country. Then I was up with a bit of house money from Caesar’s and went on a decent roll at Bellagio. Ended up losing most of it the next day though.
Does screaming at Buster Posey
work better with women under 30 or over 30?
by bhsportsguy on Oct 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll be there in 2 weeks
Bowing off steam before the new job
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
How many countries were represented in the tourney?
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Only U.S.
they call it World Kickball Championship in the same way they call a Super Bowl, MLB or NBA winner the World Champions.
We are the ones who make a brighter day
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
still need to watch that
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ooo lunch time
nows my chance!
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It isn't Kevin Prince's fault that he's constantly hurt, but I can't see what the UCLA coaches see in him to start him week in and week out.
At some point, you need to start using plan B.
Speaking of the Simpsons: New mashup with Brett Favre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5z-EPqgK8Q&feature=player_embedded
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sorry a repost, Mr F got there first
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This is a false statement, unless your TV absolutely sucks.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
DVR?
I don’t watch any commercials anymore (except for sporting events I watch live.)
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wondering
is it the time factor of advertising that annoys people, I mean you still are paying for the delivery of the program via satellite, cable, internet, which is a direct cost you absorb vs. the advertising that occupies time but does not cost you anything.
FF through the commercials
more than makes up for the rewinding I do to answer the question “what did s/he say?”
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Time for me
I watch a ton of sports live, and tend to not watch shows as they air, catching up later.
Even if I’m free when a show is on, I will wait to start it until 10 or 20 minutes in, then just blow through the commercials.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I do the same, but I’m always so behind on shows I record that I never have to wait 10-20 minutes anymore. I’ll just watch a 30 minute show I have on my DVR to kill the time.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a problem with the advertising. The idea that I am paying for the delivery of the content, and I also have to be sold products I neither want nor need, is a problem for me. How that got to be the cable model… I mean, I understand it, but I find it offensive.
So baboop, baboop, baboop, I fast forward through it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s overstatement, but sure.
Everything has to be paid for. I get that free TV is subsidized by loads of advertising — that’s fine. Newspapers and magazines are super-cheap, so: ads.
But cable is already pretty steep — certainly compared to free TV. And yet they have the same amount of advertising as free TV. Maybe offensive is the wrong word, but I still think if I’m paying a good price for something, I shouldn’t have to watch its ads.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And if they had to charge more, to do away with the commercials,would that work for you?
I’d choose the commercials.
What makes it a “good price” ? The market is what it is and the price that you are willing to pay includes commercials. I like fastforwarding through them, but your position seems so over the top even after you backed off calling it offensive.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s me, Humma “Over the Top” Kavula.
Look, obviously, I don’t have much of a leg to stand on here. But seems to me they provide a similar product to free TV, and yet, they have both ads and a charge. That annoys me.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The only time I ever wish I had a DVR is when I go to BWW in October to watch the MLB playoffs
and get stuck with Northern Illinois vs. Iowa State. Anything else that I missed, I probably won’t even remember that I missed it in a couple days, so what’s the point.
Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!
DVRs, like ATMs
are one of those things you can’t imagine living without after getting it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
You mean the remote does not fit firmly in your gun hand?
It is even better during an election year. I’m like most of the above, i either DVR the show or wait 20 minutes while on pause before I start. I’m not sure who the advertisers think they are paying money for, but it ain’t the people with DVR’s.
I prefer doing things on demand
Hulu Plus and Netflix combined are 20 dollars combined. How much is cable + dvr? There is an initial cost to get set up on your tv with streaming services, but thats less then 100 bucks, so after 3 months which is the better investment?
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How much is MLB.TV for a full season?
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This year, it was $20 =) on a hot deal.
Usually it’s like $120.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
So two months of cable
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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the full service version
is around $120 or so. Blackouts can be a killer depending on where you are located
They are THE killer for me
and the only thing that keeps cable in my house.
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Indeed. mlb.tv seems only worth it if you don’t live in the area of your team.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
MLB TV
Still kinda sucks. I can’t even tell you how many times during Dodgers games they had “technical difficulties” and the game wasn’t working as this was even when other games were working. Even MLB.tv has east coast bias.
Digital Content Delivery of this sort
is still in its infancy. Lots of exciting things happening now, between Roku Google TV and Apple TV I think things are really taking off finally.
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So the non-full service version just gets you a happy ending?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Oct 14, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't even want to know how much I spend on DirecTV
Between the sports packages I “need” and the movie channels I “need” it’s starting to get pretty absurd.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. It is what it is. I like watching sports, and that’s what it costs for me to be able to watch any college or pro foortball game I want.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One day...
one day…
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NBA, NFL and MLB???
If so, that’s awesome.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No NFL or NBA
I got excited. I have game plan and extra innings (even though I work at night).
I work Sundays so I don’t ever get the NFL. Never got the NBA or NHL.
I have the sports package and Fox Soccer Plus
I’ve always had NFL. I got MLB once and realized it was a huge waste of money seeing as how I live in the market of the team I watch every game for (though it was nice being able to watch the Diamondbacks games during commercials down the stretch in 2008.) Never got NBA but considered it if they did that discounted plan where you pick 6 teams.
The sports package I also get and it is great because you basically get every NCAA football and basketball game that is aired.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
SoCal soccer fans:
UCSB’s home game vs nationally ranked Duke will be nationally televised on Fox Soccer Channel tomorrow night at 8. Should be fun!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
ESPN.com with Rob Neyer
picked the 20 greatest home runs
6 involved the Dodgers though only one was a Dodger, can you name the other 5, 4 are pretty obvious and one is not.
Hmmm...
Gibson
Thomson
Hank Aaron 715
Reggie’s 3rd in 1977?
Ozzie in 1985 Gm 5?
Bonds 71?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That last one is hard
That was years before even Phil was born.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Fernando Tatis 2nd GS off Chan Ho in the same inning?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don' t understand how Henry's makes the list
it was gonna happen.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT STEVE FINLEY DID NOT MAKE THE LIST
by meercatjohn on Oct 14, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just enjoyed
how soulcrushing that had to be for the Giants
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Thought the SS
was for short stop but couldn’t come up with anything.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
That's What
Bride of Kavula said
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
More shocking
considering he had never hit a home run as a LHB in over 3,300 PA
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a guess, and it involves a recently (re)animated player turned skipper
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don' think that is it
But I will put the score of the game in the first paragraph and may repeat it again in the body of the story.
Flash poll
you walk into your local coffee shop and you order….
para mi, it’s their smallest late with half and half, known in France as a cafe creme, at Starbucks as a breve latte.
no it doesn’t, but that is a tasty beverage
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd give you that
I just weaned into the coffee world via Peet’s Coffee, making me an instant coffee snob like the rest of the Bay Area
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
there are a couple sprinkled out about the southland, usually in places where middle class white people congregate
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
owned by Starbucks, tastes like Starbucks. But I prefer Starbucks cause I feel like Seattle’s Best goes way too frou frou with their drinks. I remember one summer they had fresh cola drinks.
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
In Pasadena
Jones Roasters on Raymond. Very good shop, plus great prices on beans
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Amen to this. Plus it is run by one of the top baristas in the US.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I prefer Coffee Bean over Starbucks
To me, everything at starbucks taste burnt.
And I drink actual coffee so that’s what I’m referring to, not the espresso’s or frappucinos.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case, I prefer the coffee frappuchino at Starbucks to the blended drinks at Coffee Bean. The Coffee Bean drinks are way too sweet (though so is the mocha or other flavored blended drinks at Starbucks.)
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And there milk is steamed too hot and too often. All in one big jug, thereby changing the taste and complexity of the milk.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
everything is the devil to you momma, i mean Josie
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The restroom key. That’s the main reason I go to Starbucks.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
you have no interest in the world of coffee and tea?
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Trader Joe's coffee
grind it every morning.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
In case you haven't gotten the picture,
I’m a total cheapskate.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I do enjoy Trader Joe’s coffee, quite tasty
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
My grandmother fed me tons of coffee
When I was 4-6.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Green tea. I’m not hating, I used to do that coffee stuff, but you know green tea has a lot more valuable antioxidents and is much better for you.
I am a hippie douche BTW.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
damn, you took my reply right out of my mouth
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish it didn’t have to be this way, I love coffee but once I hit five cups a day and stopped sleeping I had to cut off.
Had two bites of coffee flavored ice cream last week and they might as well have been tossing me a crack pipe.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
this is why I don't try to get into coffee
I’m pretty sure I’d end up the same way.
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Some sort of ridiculously sugarry bullshit
like strawberry cream or double chocolate chip.
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hah
I don’t really like the taste of coffee(at all) but I love the smell. Their fraps are good though, insomuch as they taste like sugar.
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I was
like that as a kid, I’d brew pots of coffee just to smell it, much to my mom’s dismay
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
I should buy my wife a coffemaker, so that I can have an excuse to wake up to the smell of coffee.
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Scene
Nolander and wife are in bed.
Nolander wakes.
Nolander: Dear?
Wife: Zzzz.
Nolander: Honey.
Wife: Zzkkk.
Nolander: WAKE UP!!!
Wife: GAAAAHHH!! What?!!
Nolander: Make me some coffee.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scene
Humma and Bride are in bed.
Humma wakes.
Humma: Bride?
Bride: Yes dear?
Humma: Make me some coffee.
Bride: Beer?
Humma: Coffee.
Bride: Beer?
Humma: C-O-
Bride: B-E-
Humma: Okay, beer works.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
by MR.F. on Oct 14, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except for the gin, it’s like you were there.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The chances of me being up before my wife
are essentially 0. Flip all the dialogue though, and replace “make me some coffee” with w/e has popped into my wifes head in the last couple minutes, and it would be spot on.
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just for fun
My prospect rankings (update):
Kenley Jansen
- Mid to upper 90s FB, 13.7 K/9 in majors, just turned 23. Enough said.
Jerry Sands
- Had he started in AA in the beginning of the season, he probably would have had 30+ HRs. Great ISO numbers. 21% K rate, but double digit BB rate. Amazed how he adjusted from A to AA ball. He may not be the next Albert Pujols, but I’m giddy we have a legit power bat in the minors. Just turned 23
Allen Webster
- From the reports and what the Loons beat guy said, Allen is going to be special. Mid 90s fastball with a plus change up and nice curve ball. I’m sure he will be in AA at 21 next season.
Rubby De la Rosa
- Rubby reached 100 (102 in MWL) mph. That itself puts him high in the rankings, he also more than held his own in AA, but I’ve read mixed reports on his breaking stuff. Seems like he has a good changeup, but needs to refine it and his slider. As much as I like to see him as a starter, he only has one, maybe two quality pitches, and seeing Neftali Feliz switch into a closer because he had a big arm, I don’t see why Rubby will follow him.
Zach Lee
- My rankings are more based on upside then performance so I admit that I was hesitant to put Lee here instead of No. 3. Scouts have reported him running up his fastball at 94, with two plus pitches (curve, change up). That arm is going to get stronger as he has more strength to fill, plus he was a two way player. Also satisfying to know that another team would’ve got him if he said he would sign.
Trayvon Robinson
-Traybomb has been the most consistent prospect in our system. Breaking out in Inland, I hoped his numbers weren’t a fluke playing AA ball. Trayvon had a strong second half and ended his season with an .845 OPS. 23% K rate alarms me, but his 14% walk rate doesn’t. He had 14 assists in the outfield and has speed. I would like to see him have more power, but I’m already satisfied of what I’ve seen so far.
Chris Withrow
- Chris was my favorite prospect coming into 2010 and though he had a terrible season, I can’t help but give him a pass. He may not have lived up to expectations, but he still has a big arm and a great curveball. He’s using his change up more, which is great. BA reported his FB in the low 90s in August and I’m guessing because he had a tired arm. I think he realizes next year is a make or break year and I expect him to better. Afterall, he was our No.1 pick.
Ethan Martin
- Same like Withrow, both have big arms and awesome curveballs, but no command. I’ll take Watson’s word will expect his game to rise in the mental aspect of it.
Aaron Miller
- Aaron can reach 95 and has a tight slider. May fill in as a reliever, but I liked his numbers in the Cal league that I hope he stays as a starter.
Jonathan Garcia
-Sure his numbers were helped by Ogden, but he is still just 18. As he matures, he’ll only get stronger and already has a potent bat. Go Jon.
11-20 in some order:
Late night, Landry, Solano, Songco, BCG, Eovaldi, Russell, Gould, Baldwin, Cash
Shit I forgot Dee
Slot him in after Chris
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Jansen
Sands
Rubby
Zach
Trayvon
Gordon
Withrow
Martin
Miller
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice work. I am skeptical about Aaron Miller’s true velocity, though. I don’t think he can hit the mid-90s.
Swap Travon with Withrow and move Zach below him and you’ve got mine.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I said he can reach 95, not throw 95 regularly. But as his first full season as a pitcher, I think he’ll add some velocity.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
When at his best, Miller works with a low-90s fastball that touches 95 mph and he locates it to both sides of the plate. He also has a power slider that he’s still learning to command as well as a changeup that has some sink but needs refinement. He’s still polishing his control and command as well.
Though Miller was effective when he rejoined the 66ers, his fastball velocity dropped to 88-92 mph. That wasn’t completely unexpected, however, because he was a two-way player at Baylor and 2010 was his first full year as a pitcher. He threw a career-high 125 innings in the minors, up from 87 in 2009.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Does DeJesus make your top 20?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering he played in the PCL and only managed a .335 OBP with no speed. He’s basically Hu.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I am not cut out for this prospect game. I look at the turnover from last season to this one and I wonder how anybody can put any faith in a guy to develop… Remember, I know nothing about anything. I mean, I know that there has to be more to it than I’m making it out. But — and somebody stop me if this is a wild overstatement — maybe the lesson of 2010, at all levels of the Dodgers’ system, is that we are dealing with human beings, and as such, there is an incredibly wide range of what anybody can do in any given year…. and if that’s the case, gosh, how does anybody make a reasonable plan for the future?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think scouting and drafting baseball prospects is like throwing million dollar spaghetti noodles at a wall and hoping one of them ends up costing you millions more.
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It’s nuts. I mean, I do believe there is such a thing as scounting and projecting. It’s not like Dee Gordon is going to turn into A-Rod. There is a reasonable window of what kind of player he will be. But when it gets into the business of assigning letter grades, it seems like there are as many misses as hits. Maybe that’s my problem, paying too much attention to “this guy is B-plus and that guy is B-minus.” Maybe what’s more reasonable is to look at the range of what a player would/could be like and draw assumptions from there.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
AA is really the test if a guy is gonna make it or not. Our top prospects either weren’t there yet, or went insane.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, when people give their rankings/ratings of a prospect, it’s usually based on extremes. The people who think Elbert can start see him as a B, whereas the people who think he’s only a reliever see him as a C+.
You have to include the human element in any of these things. Do they have the personality to work through struggles, to work at their craft, will it matter? Grades change as players improve or regress, as competition catches up to them or as they outperform their league, and most significantly, as the prospect gets older.
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Look
its hard, as I said above I reviewed the top BA 30 Prospect lists for 2005 but I may also look at the top overall prospects.
Dodgers Top 5 from memory in 2005 (after 2004 season).
1. Joel Guzman
2. Chad Billingsley
3. Edwin Jackson
4. James Loney
5. Andy LaRoche
Certainly lots of promise but I think many believed we would have more.
Angels
1. Casey Kotchman
2. Dallas McPherson
3. Erick Aybar
4. Jeff Mathis
5. Kendry Morales.
Again, some MLB regulars and Morales was having a big year but disappointments too.
I’d take our top 5 over their top 5 every day of the week. Morales is good and Aybar isn’t bad, but we got two #2 starters, a starting 1B (different argument for a different thread), half a season of Manny Ramirez, and Julio Lugo.
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Lugo. Subtraction by addition.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If Loney counts as a starting 1B, Mathis counts as a starting C.
And we got Danys Baez/Wilson Betemit/Scott Proctor, not a #2 starter.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true from the net gain
My analysis is only to figure out how many MLB games did a particular system produce.
But as I said earlier, the Angels system in 2005 (on their top 30 list) produced two regular first basemen, two semi-regular catchers, starting second baseman, starting shortstop, a utility player (izturis), fifth outfielder, Willits, two All-Star pitchers, Saunders and Santana, pieces to a trade (Rodriquez) and relievers. All amounted to over 5400 MLB games played.
The Dodgers top 30 list has maybe close to 4000 games played.
BTW
Joel Guzman’s 14 MLB games played as a No. 1 team prospect is probably close to the lowest for any team in the last 5 years.
What went wrong there?
Did he just fall apart?
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Complete washout top prospects:
Adam Miller
Brian Dopriak
Eric Duncan
Marcus Sanders
JtD is probably after these guys.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but a lot of those games were played by useless players like Mathis, McPherson, Wood and Willits. The only guys that have really made any impact are Weaver, Kotchman, Kendrick and Saunders. (I’m just going through players the Angels actually drafted)
In that same stretch the Dodgers added Loney, Broxton, Bills, Jackson, and Kemp. In terms of actual impact guys, you have to give the edge to the Dodgers.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Also as I said above
earlier, also on their top 30 that season was Kendrick, Napoli, Saunders, Ervin Santana, Kevin Jepsen.
The Dodgers had Martin, Kemp, Broxton, DeWitt, and Navarro but they also had a lot of guys who did not make it.
That is why the Angels probably had among the most productive systems at that time.
2005 BA Top 25
Mauer
King Felix
Delmon Young
Ian Stewart
Guzman
Kotchman
Kazmir
Ricky Weeks
Andy Marte
Hanley
McPherson
Cain
Francoeur
Prince
Adam Miller
Jason Kubel
Jeremy Hermida
His Royal Thighness
Jeff Niemann
Brian Dopirak
Carlos Quentin
Jeff Francis
Nick Swisher
Jose Capellan
How’d they do?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Kotchman and McPherson
where the reasons they let go of Glaus. Ugh.
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Who the hell is thighness
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lol billingsley
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I for some reason assumed that the player played for another team
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Seems like they did well for the most part. It has to be one of the harder ranking jobs in sports to come up with a list of players in minor league baseball that are going to make it in the Majors. I am going out on a limb and assuming that all of these players were at different levels of minor league ball. That is one huge factor. I think Reg said earlier that we need to see guys succeed at the AA level before we start drooling over them. While performance at all levels seems necessary, age at certain levels would also be a huge factor. I would think that pitchers performing early in AA would be a huge factor in giving a player a better ranking.
Thoughts?
BA gives a lot cred for level
So I think most of then would be at AA level (Chad had pitched part of 2004 in AA, Guzman had almost 200 PA at AA).
I am considering an “Adopt a prospect” program for 2011. I am going to find one prospect to follow and become an expert on that one player.
Now I just need to know which one to follow.
I take that back. You’d have way more fun following James Baldwin.
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I think that one of my requirements is going to be that I follow a prospect that is under the radar or a md level prospect.
I don’t want TBLA pressure to mount and people to want a surplus of information on a great prospect. I don’t need the added pressure.
FTR, I have no idea what level prospect Pederson or Baldwin are!
Go with Lemmermann, all I know is that his dong is a 70.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ive claimed Steven Ames
Shawn Tolleson is an interesting one
by SeanMillerSavior on Oct 14, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Joc Pederson
drafted in the 11th round of the 2010 draft, probably a mid-range prospect. If I remember correctl, 3B with a bit of pop.
Baldwin is probably our next ‘most exciting’ prospect. Dude flies.
My personal favorite is Songco, but creeping up on him is Leon Landry. Really love what I’ve seen from him in clips.
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As long as those guys are reporting to Great Lakes. It would be no fun if you had to wait for them to report to Ogden.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Baldwin
Just look at him.
Link
He’s so skinny, like when Matt Kemp came in. But look at his frame, dude is going to fill out at least 30 pounds. Hopefully he becomes our next Matt Kemp. plus his dad was already in the majors..
by Julio Nievas on Oct 14, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Who saw the new South Park yesterday?
the Jersey Shore spoof was priceless
by SeanMillerSavior on Oct 14, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions
was watching MLB tonight
they were talking about A-Gon. or Rosenthal was anyway(so preface). Anyway, he said he felt if the Padres were offered 3 good prospects that still had a lot of team control ahead of them, they might be tempted. I assume for the Dodgers this would mean about 5. I’m posting this mostly because I’m bored, and the stuff like this is kinda fun to talk about.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions
3 good prospects
Sands, Gordon, Withrow?
Bye, bye future for 1(?) year of AGon.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No dice here. I’m not a fan of moves like this unless the team is a contender to start. We have way too many holes to fill for 1 year of AGon to matter.
Eh
I could see that working, if we could then spend all our money on pitching. I am not a fan of deals within the division though.
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I don’t even know if SD says yes to that deal.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
they would probably
still want Billz
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How high of an opinion do you think SD fans/organization have of Billingsley? Chad has completely killed them for the past 3 years.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
as a pitcher
i imagine quite high. As everything else, probably that way we feel about Lincecum.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
and only then
would he get respect
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW
Chad could make as much if not more than A Gon in 2011, Chad made 3.85M in 2010 with 2 more years left, Gonzalez’s option was picked up by Padres for 2011 at $5.8M
this is true
though my comment was mostly tongue in cheek
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
To get A-Gon, Dodgers would need to surrender:
Jansen
Gordon
Webster/Withrow
Sands/Robinson
Throw-in (Leach, Link, etc).
For one year of Gonzalez? I’d do that, especially if I could sign Gonzalez to an extension.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m good on that. 1 year of AGon while still needing 3 SP’s, LF, C. That is weak sauce and I’m not drinking that shit!
Except A gon renders our needs for C and LF
a lot less pressing, and frees us up to go after more pitching.
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I wonder
if we could send them Broxton, Loney, and maybe Russell Martin. They could flip one or two of them. But that would only be if A-Gon agreed to an extension.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No one wants players you don’t want for players you want.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
I like that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He is willing to
it just has to be at “market value”. Of course that was for San Diego.
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If your sack with a dollar sign is big enough…
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe if I were the Giants
I might offer Jonathan Sanchez., Pablo Sandoval, and any pick from their system.
That seems like too much
for one year of the guy.
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makes you wish
they could trade draft picks
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That outbids anything the Dodgers could bid unless they throw in Billingsley.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading Sandoval is tantamount to trading Kemp: a young fan favorite one year removed from a just-short-of-MVP-type season. We can all make fun of him for being fat and for his dropoff this year and for suck it pandouche, but there is no way the Dodgers trade him, and a top young pitcher, and a top prospect for one year of Gonzalez.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont really see any team giving up much for A-Gon, when they can just sign him as a free agent next year.
Billingsley for A-Gon straight up is probably the best fair trade the Dodgers/Padres could do.
The Padres have no money so they need cheap players. But they floated close enough to contention that he should be able to help immediately. The best match I can think of is Freddie Freeman.
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gonzalez
is a unique situation, he is so affordable, the Padres could just keep him but even two draft picks (no better than 16th and the first supplemental) are not going to be playing in Petco until 2015.
The Padres should trade A-Gon this off-season..
His value will only go down the closer he gets to free agency…
I’m think the Padres could trade A-Gon for some workable pieces…then sign Derrek Lee (who wont cost hardly anything on a 1yr deal..I think most teams think he’s done) to play 1st till they find someone better.
wasn't Kyle Blanks
thought of as their future 1B?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Its tough
They still think they can contend, but if they trade him that probably goes out the window, but if they hold on to him, then the year after they are probably up a creek.
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As much as can be said about a single player
he IS their offense.
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yeah, no kidding
but they have to think, they really kinda performed over their heads right?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
and the next one
starts with a C
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions

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