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NLCS, Game 4: Phillies (Joe Blanton) at Giants (Madison Bumgarner), 5pm (Fox)

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Listening to KNBR

cause I forgot my transistor radio. Did you know that Bank of America also offers Giants banking? Talking about playing the field.

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I was in my living room in Antioch, Arkansas.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know who Patrick Bateman is

But I think of the early days of MTV, when music videos were actually played on that station.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Like the Rebel Yell video!

The “Is this Love” video!

The “other random video that had a hot girl in it when I was about 15.”

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW Patrick Bateman is a fictional character from the book and movie American Psycho.

by Alex41592 on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in ‘83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

by LA Taco on Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I can never listen to Hip to be Square the same again.

by Alex41592 on Oct 20, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

OK, I had to scroll back up and rec this.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reaction #1: Well, y’know, Elvis used to be disgusted, but now he tries to be amused.

Reaction #2: Songs don’t get more bitter or cynical than “Alison.”

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been close at times to writing a blog post to the tune of Alison, but never gone through with it.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was part of Patrick Bateman's

soliloquy at one point in the film.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 20, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I as well.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 20, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was watching in my apartment

in Torrance.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 20, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Torrance

are you joshing us, Marty

by bhsportsguy on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lived there 6 years

Worked there 12

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blanton reminds me of Playoff B(r)ad Penny

not in a good way, obviously.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Physically they are a good comp.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah physically, windup

hard throwing, wild (as he wild pitches a runner around the bases), etc

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard throwing? He tops out at 90

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

the only thing they have in common are fatness

by matthewmafa on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

WP not normal for Blanton.

He had 2 WP this year in 175+ IP.

He is fat like Penny!

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah that was more just that inning reminded me of Penny...

and he throws hard meaning his delivery + motion, not specifically how fast his pitches top out.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

All this is tru dat

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

1-0 Giants

Two wild pitches and a base hit.

by Alex41592 on Oct 20, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Buster Posey is good.

This is gonna suck for the next 12 years or so.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Wonder if the Giants try to buy out his arbitration years?
I dont think they have with any of their other players.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lincecum or Cain?

I thought they bought out one of Cain’s?

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean something like an Evan Longoria contract…doubt they’d do that and doubtful Posey accepts.

Or an Ubaldo deal.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Longo

signed the contract before playing a game didn’t he.

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by nolander on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did play before he signed

Just not long. Think it was less than a week.

by EMDarrow on Oct 20, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only until Bochy overplays him

and he turns into Russell Martin.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 20, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t even know what to write in response to what just happened. sigh.

by DodgerSF on Oct 20, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s gonna be okay.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies aren't gonna go scoreless today is all I can guarantee...

this may be a close one.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josey Posey
Pudding and Pie
Kissed the Boy
And made him Cry

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?
I just cant root for the Giants at any cost.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not rooting for the Giants. But seeing the Phillies lose will be a lot better for my psyche.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

because you live in an area where you routinely encounter Philly fans?

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather say we ran in to one of the great teams of the decade

not that we choked away the NLCS twice, and it took a team like the Giants to get it done

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Oct 20, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

My little prayer is that the Giants never win a WS in my lifetime.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

one of mine as well : )

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Oct 20, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except we didn’t run into one of the great teams of the decade. The 2008 Phillies had crappy pitching, and the 2009 team had one of the worst bullpens known to man.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

and yet, three straight NLCS and a WS title, so….

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

hypothetically(hopefully)

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Oct 20, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, let’s not have sour grapes.

Except for Ruiz. That fucker! Fuck you, Ruiz!

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were one of the best teams of the decade

or you’re a very tough grader. Sheesh.

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by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 2009 Yankees were a more complete team, the 2007 or 2004 Red Sox would have blown away the Phillies, and 2003 Marlins were every good competing against teams with higher payrolls and talent.

Heck, the best teams the 2002 or 2003 Giants didn’t win a World Series.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

and USC was better than LSU in 2003. Oh wait, no, that’s another thing which is subjective and impossible to determine

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can use regular season wins, stats, MLB the Show, or the holodeck from Star Trek. Lets not elevate the Phillies from what they were. A good team that had a good run.

Best team in the decade? We had some pretty damn good teams in this decade.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 05 Royals come to mind……

Nevermind

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was gonna ask if there was a bigger tease this decade than the 03 Royals

The team that inexplicably got close to .500 before descending into chaos once again…

…but of course there was. The 01 Mariners. They have all the talent in the late 90s, trade it all away (or let it walk via FA), rip off a hundred and something-teen wins, then do nothing in the playoffs, then fall back into mediocrity.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Phillies of the past two years are very good teams. But they won 92, 93, and 97 games in weak to average divisions.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly did not realize

that the sentence “the Phillies are one of the great teams of the last ten years” is a controversial statement.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I don’t think they were great. They play in a decade where the teams wins record was obliterated(Mariners), the single best player in the last 50 years never played for or against them(Bonds), Multiple championships(Red Sox, Yankees), compared to that, the Phillies don’t seem to be as great as other teams.

I mean, what really made the Phillies elite? I would like to see a guy like Chris Jaffe try to rank how good the past Phillies team was compared to say, the 2007 Red Sox, or the 2001 D’Backs team.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

For me its equally disturbing either way

But if one of them has to win it all, I hope its the Phils. If the Giants win it all I suspect I’ll vomit my small intestine.

by EMDarrow on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll just say

there are more complaints about game times in the East Coast when at least most people are already at home than on the West Coast where its both a hassle to get to the game at this time or impossible to watch during the week because of it.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah..the east coasters have no room to complain…I feel bad for the west coasters that have to put up with these ridiculous times (just so the east coast can watch it in primetime) every year.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't view the times as that ridiculous

When the choice is…

(a) have a much smaller percentage of the country miss the beginning of the game; OR

(b) have a much larger percentage of the country miss the end of the game…

You go with choice (a) every single time.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gibson HR

I was at a surprise 30th birthday party for my sister. Since it was a surprise, the party was organized (by my other sister) to be 2.5 weeks before her actual birthday. I was 12 at the time.

My brother Kelly bought a strip of four tickets that postseason; he had the same seats for every game. I believe they were in the Loge, though I might be wrong. He sold his tickets that night to two couples: I believe one he worked with, and another to a friend. The friend and his wife left the game early. D’oh.

My sister, the soon-to-be 30-year old, lived in an apartment in Tustin with my brother Greg; it was a second-floor apartment. I remember being on the floor near the TV in the apartment in the 9th inning (there were probably 30+ people easily at the party) and the graphic came on screen that said Gibson had 6 HR and 19 RBI in his postseason career. I said “better make that 7 and 21,” the kind of boast on which I am right roughly 3.4% of the time.

As soon as Gibson hit ball, I knew it was gone. I never saw it go out. Once Canseco gave up on the ball I was already jumping up and down along with almost everyone else at the party. It was awesome. So awesome, that the downstairs neighbors called the cops because we were being too loud.

I went to Game 2 the next night.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

great story

that’s quite a spread in age in your family

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 20, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Growing up

there was a couple families in my hood with 4 kids and the oldest was 4 years older than the youngest. I don’t know how the mom put up with that.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 20, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

at some point

she’s gotta be like “God damn it Frank, put a rubber on”. I’m one of three, the oldest, and only 5 years between me and my little sis’

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

so Kelly was like 48 when you were 12?

{ducks}

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The world according to AARP

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad you didn't jinx it! I would've been mad at you before I knew you existed ;-)

No, seriously, I had an eerie feeling about it too… can’t explain it, other than confidence in Gibson and feeling something electric was going on.

I was in my first year in the dorms at SFSU, most of my friends there were impartial fans from other cities, there was one other Dodger fan, and one benign A’s fan. A few of us were watching in my dorm room and even the non fans let out an “OMYGOD!” yelp and then slapped me on the back as my mouth hung open. Will never forget it.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

It is funny how you really don’t know anything about the people on here!

I had underdog at about 24 yrs old this whole time!

Not kidding.

Neat.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, thanks! Must be my youthful exuberance

and that I play soccer! ;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The soccer is definately a factor in my judgement.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm no longer fast when I play, but still play nonetheless.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares! Play until you can’t go anymore. You’ll miss it when you can’t.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you know that Doogie Howser wasn’t written about Underdog?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t remember Doogie playing soccer into his later years like Ryan Giggs!

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dumb question but was Dominic Brown

not an option to supplant Ibanez, over Francisco?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Ben hits from the right side of the dish.

That’s prolly the reason tonight.

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah right thanks, shoulda looked that up

was thinking righty for some dumb reason. Still… Francisco and Ibanez both suck.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

W.S.

What date does the World Series begin on?

by Xeifrank on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

One week from today.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Have we been eliminated yet? :)

by Xeifrank on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

I’ve been dead drunk on gin since the trade deadline.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dead, The Drunk And The Gin

new western movie starring Humma Kavula.

by Xeifrank on Oct 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or the autobiography

Dead Drunk on Gin or How I lost my left kidney in Tokyo

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't Tokyo

It was Bangkok

and oh the tales the walls of that sex emporium could tell if walls could talk!

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been in those establishments. They are a life altering experience to say the least!

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention

a kidney-altering experience.

Not that I would know. I only have eyes for Bride.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

My bride was in 8th grade at the time.

“How much for all day? $35 dollars? I’m in!”

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

All day?

What am I gonna do with the other 23 hours, 59 minutes and forty-five seconds?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 20, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.

by Ollie on Oct 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’ve missed a lot of simulations from Xei!

by keithc13 on Oct 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, what a sliding tag by Renteria.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

his foot totally was more then 45 degrees

he was going to throw home… thats a balk.. decieving the baserunner

by matthewmafa on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

every pickoff move from a lefty is a balk

by Billyum on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Beimel used to do that all the time.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

will it be challenged? or is it too late?

by DodgerSF on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does the rule book

have something about 45% written in it?

by Xeifrank on Oct 20, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If your stride goes more toward the plate instead of 1st and you throw over…isnt it always a balk?

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

his stride was like 70 percent home…

by matthewmafa on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

it says you have to step directly towards the base

by Billyum on Oct 20, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

With runners on base it is a balk when:
Rule 8.05c The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before
throwing to that base;

by Billyum on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Yeah – that must be one of those rules that never gets enforced like it says in the book. Kind of like the strike zone.

by Xeifrank on Oct 20, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that’s one way to stop Ross from hitting home runs.

by Alex41592 on Oct 20, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

thats one way to keep Cody Ross from burning you

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 20, 2010 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

the other is to wear flame retardant pants

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha!

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 20, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aaron Rowand is starting?
Whats the explanation for that?

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

2 games in a row matter of fact

because Bruce Bochy likes his vets? Torres was struggling? No idea otherwise. He’ll homer here though to make us look silly.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay, reverse jinx worked

or Rowand sucks.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s gang/CIA mentality, y’know, go prove you didn’t throw your career to benefit the Phillies, prove you’re not a double agent

by Josie Becker on Oct 20, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

torres

has sucked big time in the last month or so..

by matthewmafa on Oct 20, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo
Torres was struggling?

I’m sure he was so overjoyed that he saw a CF get a hit that he had to start Rowand again.

by regfairfield on Oct 20, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those old school managers and their "hot hand" theories

1 hit = hot hand I guess.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 20, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torres has hit .183 the last two months. It’s shuffling deck chairs at best, but Torres has done nothing to deserve play time.

by regfairfield on Oct 20, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand is the one who has the big time contract.

by Tripon on Oct 20, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glee lady needs to stop appearing everywhere

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 20, 2010 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Bumgarner, Kershaw, Latos...

Who has the greatest upside and which pitcher will have the most successful career?

I still have to go with Clayton for both.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

latos upside is defintly the highest...

mid upper 90s…. his stuff is amazing… control is already real good….

i think bumgarner has the most successfull career… this guy is just great everywhere he goes… its crazy….

by matthewmafa on Oct 20, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Francisco looked like Jay Gibbons out there…c’mon.

by Joey Joe on Oct 20, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

That would have fallen in for a hit against us last year.

by Bakofan on Oct 20, 2010 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Am I the only Dodger fan

rooting against the Phils for eliminating us the last two years. Just curious I suppose.

by NoahZ on Oct 20, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

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