Chattanooga Lookouts 2010 Season in Review
The Chattanooga Lookouts as a team were extremely average all season. They never really had playoff aspirations, and their pitching was pretty bad all season. In addition, their hitting was pretty boring in terms of power until Sands joined the team in the middle of the season. In terms of Dodger prospects, however, the team featured quite a few players who were worth following as 14 of the 30 players who were featured in last year’s Baseball America Prospect Handbook played in Chattanooga in 2010. Remember that these reports are very extensive, so just because I’m writing about a player doesn’t mean that he is a big time prospect. While I’ll usually mention if a guy is worth keeping an eye on, you’ll have to wait for my upcoming prospect ranking to fully understand who I consider prospects and who are simply organizational players. Also, how the poll question plays out will help when me when I run our overall TBLA top prospect poll in a couple of weeks.
Record: 65 - 74 Season Result: Finished in 3rd place (out of 5 teams) in the 1st half, and finished in 4th place in the 2nd half. Needless to say, the Lookouts didn’t make the playoffs. Their .468 overall winning percentage ranked 7th out of the 10 teams in the Southern League. Season Recap: The Lookouts were stuck in mediocrity all season, never really getting hot, but never really playing too poorly either. Sure they had some winning streaks and losing streaks, but for the most part Chattanooga was in 3rd or 4th place all season. In terms of team stats, the Lookout offense was pretty much in the middle of the pack. Their .261 team average ranked in 5th place, as did their 88 homers. Their overall pitching was another story, however, as their 4.54 team ERA and 1.53 team WHIP both ranked dead last in the Southern League. League Leaders:
Category Player Rank Amount At Bats 1st 555 Runs 5th 86 Runs 8th 80 Hits 4th 154 3B’s 4th 10 HR’s 4th 17 RBI's 2nd 86 Walks 3rd 73 SB’s 1st 53 SB’s 3rd 38 SB’s 6th 31 OBP 3rd 0.404 OPS 6th 0.842 Starts 3rd 27 CG’s 6th 1 CG’s 6th 1 CG’s 6th 1 Shutouts 2nd 1 Saves 3rd 18 K’s 4th 120 GF’s 5th 26
Offensive MVP: Trayvon Robinson had a great all around year and was with the Lookouts for the entire season, so he was the easy choice for the offensive MVP of this team. He led the team with a .300 average, hit 9 homers, stole 38 bases, and only made 4 errors all year. He also had an impressive .404 on base percentage which ranked 3rd in the entire Southern League. While he missed the final few games of the season due to injury which resulted in him not getting a big league call up, he is still a legit prospect and should see time with the Dodgers at some point in 2011. Baseball America ranked Robinson as the 13th best prospect in the Southern League and noted that he has turned his tools into skills over the past few seasons.
Best Offensive Prospect: I know some people won’t be happy with this choice, but I’m selecting Dee Gordon as the best offensive prospect on the Lookouts. It was a tough decision, but in my opinion Gordon is slightly ahead of both Trayvon Robinson and Jerry Sands in terms of prospect status. I know he was caught stealing 20 times and posted an on base percentage of only .332, but he has a ton of raw talent, and I really think he has the best shot of being a solid big league regular of any 2010 Lookout hitters. The fact that he was voted as the most exciting player in the Southern League gives me even more hope that he’ll be able to one day harness all of his potential. Also, Baseball America ranked him as the 6th best prospect in the entire Southern League, saying that his speed is an 80 and the 20-80 scouting scale. At just 22 years old, he has plenty of time to fine tune his skills and be the Dodgers shortstop of the future.
Pitching MVP: Selecting a MVP from the starting pitchers on team is like trying to make a good meal out of a pile of garbage. Of the players on the team with at least 50 innings pitched, the lowest ERA belonged to Jesus Castillo at 3.83, but his record for the year was 4 and 10. Therefore, I was forced give this award to a reliever. Kenley Jansen had great stats, but he was only with the team for 2 months. Javy Guerra, Justin Miller, and Javier Solano all had ERA’s below 2.80, but each of them also spent a significant amount of time on the DL or with another team. At the end of the day, I picked 29 year old Jon Huber as the team’s pitching MVP. He had a 2.30 ERA in 47 innings and picked up 18 saves as the team’s closer. His WHIP was 1.06, and he struck out over a batter per inning. He obviously isn’t a prospect and I almost never mentioned him in my daily minor league reports, but I think he should get some recognition here for having a very good season for the Lookouts in 2010.
Best Pitching Prospect: Picking the best pitching prospect on this team was a very tough decision. Rubby De La Rosa and Kenley Jansen got significant consideration, but at the end of the day I’m selecting Chris Withrow. He obviously had the worst season of the three candidates, but my reasoning is that I believe Withrow has the best chance of being a frontline starting pitcher at the big league level. The 11th best prospect in the Southern League according to Baseball America, Withrow has a mid 90’s fastball with good movement, and also has a plus curveball. He also throws a changeup, but it’s a work in progress. He needs to work on his consistency and command, and if he is able to do that he will be a very good pitcher. The other thing to remember about Withrow is that he is just 21 years old with only 256 innings under his belt. As I wrote in my DeJon Watson interview, Withrow would have been a junior in college this past season, and if he were eligible for the 2010 draft he still would have been a no doubt mid 1st rounder. Look for him to stay in AA next season, although I’m expected much better results in 2011.
1st Base: Eduardo Perez was the Lookout’s main first baseman, but he had a disappointing season. After hitting 11 homers with a .838 OPS with the Lookouts in 2009, Perez stumbled to a .271 average with 4 homers and a .702 OPS in 2010. The 26 year old switch hitter did place 2nd on the club with 58 RBI’s, but that was the only highlight of his season.
Corey Smith also played some 1st base during the season, but he was mostly a 3rd baseman and will be discussed later.
Jerry Sands was the only other Lookout to spend a significant amount of time at 1st base, although he spent more time in the outfield and will also be talked about later.
2nd Base: The 5’8" Jamie Pedroza played 2nd base for the Lookouts, and he had an up and down season. He started off the year pretty quietly, including a .212 average in the month of May, but then he really hit a hot streak in June in July. From August on, however, he hit a bit of a cold spell as he finished the year with a .230 average in his final 117 at bats. For the season, Jaime ended up with a .280 average, 7 homers, and a .779 OPS. He just turned 24, and after jumping from HiA in 2008 to LoA in 2009 to AA in 2010, it will be interesting to see where he ends up in 2011.
The speedy Elian Herrera also played some 2nd base for Chattanooga, although he was more of a utility guy. In addition to his 24 games at 2nd base, Herrera also spent time at all 3 outfield positions, 3rd base, and shortstop. He also spent about a month in AAA when injuries struck the Isotopes. At the plate, the 25 year old didn’t really provide much offense, hitting just .258 with a .341 slugging percentage. However, he was a distraction on the base paths as he stole 31 bases in 41 attempts.
3rd Base: Corey Smith got the majority of the starts at 3rd base, and he had a pretty good season. He lead the Lookouts with 86 RBI’s, and made the mid and post season Southern League All Star teams. In addition, he provided veteran leadership as he brought 10 years of minor league experience to the team. The bad news is that he is 28 years old, and is not a very good defensive 3rd baseman.
Shortstop: Dee Gordon got almost every start at shortstop for the Lookouts in 2010, which is good news considering that he still needs to work on his defense. His .936 fielding percentage needs improvement, but according to Baseball America "He has all the tools to be a standout defender at shortstop: smooth actions, quick feet and plus agility and arm strength." See the "Best Offensive Prospect" section above for additional discussion about his offensive performance.
Catcher: 6 different players put on the gear for the Lookouts in 2010, including Mike Rivera who led the team with 56 games behind the plate. The 34 year old Rivera, who made his MAJOR league debut in 2001 and has appeared in 188 big league games, had no business playing in AA. He was really just an emergency insurance policy for the Dodgers. Strangely enough, after getting released in August Rivera signed with the Marlins in September and got into 7 big league games in 2010.
Jessie Mier played the 2nd most games at catcher for Chattanooga, but was injured several times during the season and had a very poor year offensively. He is 25 years old and isn’t much more than an organizational player at this point in his career.
As I wrote in my Inland Empire report, Matt Wallach made his way onto the Dodgers prospect radar in 2010 and played the final month of the season in Chattanooga. Given that this was Wallach’s first taste of AA, he did very well as he recorded 3 homers and an .822 OPS in 68 at bats. He also showed extreme patience against the more advanced pitchers, walking in 15.5% of his plate appearances. His success earned him a spot in the AFL, and I’m guessing he’ll return to AA at the start of next season.
Outfield: The Lookouts outfield was anchored by Trayvon Robinson, who played 120 games in center field. Even though I already wrote about him above, it is worth mentioning that he is also a pretty good defensive player. Baseball America says that he gets good jumps and takes solid routes. In addition, while his arm is just average, he was able to record 12 outfield assists in 2010.
Jerry Sands played both outfield spots during his time in AA, and continued to show that he can be a plus defender. In just 50 games played in the outfield, Sands recorded 8 assists. He also only made 1 error in those 50 games. Getting back to Sand’s hitting, he continued to show big power while in Chattanooga. He quickly claimed the team lead for homers despite not joining the club until the end of June, and ended up ranking 4th in the Southern League in big flies. His average dropped a bit in AA down to .270 but he maintained a solid walk to strikeout ratio and posted a strong .889 OPS. Now playing in the AFL, it will be interesting to see where Sands starts and ends up in 2011.
Kyle Russell didn’t get promoted to AA until June 8th, but he ended up leading the team in games played in right field. I wrote a lot about Russell in my Inland Empire report, so here I’ll spend some time analyzing his AA stats. Kyle got off to a terrible start in Chattanooga, hitting just .192 in June and .211 in July. However he was able to turn things around in August as he recorded an OPS of 1.018 during that month. His overall stats were also not too bad considering this was his first crack at AA as he finished with a .462 slugging percentage and a .781 OPS. The one negative that everyone likes to focus on is his strikeout rate, and I’ll admit it was pretty horrendous with the Lookouts. Russell struck out in 36.7% of his plate appearances, and if he keeps up that rate it is true that he’ll never succeed at the big league level. But if he can somehow bring it down to a more manageable level, even to somewhere in the mid 20 percents, then I think he has a chance to make it to the show. Hopefully it will just take some additional coaching and maturity.
Prior to Russell playing in AA, the Lookouts right fielder was Scott Van Slyke. He struggled pretty badly, and then was sent to Inland Empire which is the only place he is able to hit. Needless to say the excitement about him as a prospect has diminished, and I’m glad I never bought into that hype.
In case you forgot, Andrew Lambo, also briefly played outfield for the Lookouts in 2010. His drug suspension and then trade to the Pirates limited him to just 47 games in a Chattanooga uniform, during which time he was mediocre at best. Finally, Tommy Giles spent some time in a Lookout uniform in 2010, but he struggled at the plate, was sent to HiA, and then was released during the season.
Starting Pitchers: As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, the starting pitching for the Lookouts was pretty horrendous. Chris Withrow was supposed to be the ace of this staff, and although I labeled him as the best pitching prospect on this team, his 2010 stats were not those of a frontline starter. Withrow had a 5.97 ERA and a 1.66 WHIP, although his FIP was a little more favorable at 4.51 for the season. One of his biggest problems was his ability to keep the ball in the park as he allowed 13 homers, compared to just 5 allowed in 2009. One positive for Withrow in 2010 was that he stayed healthy all year for the 2nd consecutive season.
Jesus Castillo started and ended the year in AA, spending a month in Albuquerque during the middle of the season during which time he was terrible. With the Lookouts, Castillo actually had a decent ERA of 3.83, but his win - loss record was just 4 and 10. Never known as a strikeout pitcher, Castillo showed consistency by K’ing only 5.75 batters per 9 innings. At 26 years old, I’m not sure where Castillo goes from here.
Like Castillo, Alberto Bastardo bookended his season in Chattanooga while spending some time with the Isotopes, although his stint in AAA lasted a little longer than Castillo’s. For Chattanooga, one could argue that Bastardo was the team’s most effective starter as he went 7 and 4 with a 3.20 FIP. However his ERA was 4.79 and he is already 26 years old so he was playing against much younger competition.
Remember when Mario Alvarez was on the Dodgers 40 man roster? Well at 26 years old I don’t think he’ll ever make his way back onto that roster. Anyways, Mario started the year in the Lookouts rotations, but after 19 starts was moved to the bullpen. Alvarez’s ERA was almost identical as a starter and as a reliever, and for the year it was 4.94. He’s another guy who doesn’t strike a lot of guys out, and unfortunately batters also hit him pretty well to the tune of a .319 average.
Tim Sexton also was a starter and reliever for the Lookouts, and accumulated a 3 and 12 win – loss record before getting demoted to HiA. While his ERA was 5.06, you could say that Sexton was a little unlucky in AA as his FIP was a respectable 3.73. Sexton struck out just over 7 batters per inning, and allowed 8 homers in 101 innings. He is still just 23 years old, so the 6’6" righty still has time to improve his game. He’ll probably return to AA next season.
Brent Leach had an interesting year in 2010. He started the season in AAA as a reliever, but then was sent to Chattanooga to work as a starter. During that time he actually made the transition pretty well, going 7 and 3 with a 4.57 ERA and a 3.98 FIP. However, when Leach returned to AAA in late August he was again used as a reliever, so his future role still appears to be up in the air. I personally like him better as a reliever, but we’ll see what happens in 2011. He still has one option year left heading into next season.
Aaron Miller made 6 subpar starts in AA before he was sent back down to the 66ers. Miller accumulated a 7.04 ERA with the Lookouts and recorded a 2.00 WHIP. You can read about his solid performance in HiA in my Inland Empire report.
Finally Rubby De La Rosa made a huge splash after getting promoted to AA in late July. In 8 starts (51 innings), Rubby allowed just 8 earned runs which translates to a 1.41 ERA. He also had a 1.16 WHIP and batters hit just .215 against him. I guess the only negative you could point to is that he struck out just 6.9 batters per 9 innings. You can read more about De La Rosa’s pitches and upside in my Great Lakes Loons report.
Relief Pitchers: I already talked about the team’s closer, Jon Huber, above, but there are several other relievers on the Lookouts that are worth mentioning. Kenley Jansen obviously had a great 2010, but it was his performance in Chattanooga that showed the Dodgers that he was big league ready. In 27 AA innings, Jansen posted a 1.67 ERA, a 1.39 FIP, recorded 8 saves, and had a K per 9 of 16.67. The only negative that one could point to was that his walk rate was a little high, but didn’t really matter since he was so dominant in every other aspect of pitching.
David Pfeiffer played a surprisingly big role for the Lookouts in 2010. He was an inning eater as his 82 innings lead all relievers, and he even made 3 spot starts when the team needed him. For the year, he posted a respectable 4.06 ERA and had a solid WHIP of 1.29. Another interesting fact about Pfeiffer is that he actually had some big hits at the plate, batting .278 in 18 at bats and picking up an unexpected 5 RBI’s. The 25 year old lefty has played 7 minor league seasons and I’m pretty sure can opt to be a minor league free agent, but hopefully he sticks around.
Cole St. Clair started the year in the California League, but was promoted to AA in May after 12 effective innings in HiA. Once in Chattanooga, St. Clair was pretty consistent throughout the season, posting ERA’s in the 4’s in every month from May through August. His overall FIP for the year, however, was 3.53 and he only allowed 3 homers in 60 innings. In addition, he struck out almost a batter per inning. The 6’5" lefty is 24 years old, and while he doesn’t throw real hard, he has enough quality pitches that may get him to the show at some point in the future.
James Adkins has been nothing but disappointing since being drafted in the supplemental 1st round of the 2007 draft. However in 2010 Adkins was converted to a reliever, and while his overall stats weren’t amazing, he did have a couple of streaks in which he was extremely effective. While in AA, James had a combined ERA of 1.08 in the months of May and June, and then didn’t allow a run in 11 August appearances. In addition, AA batters hit just .238 against him for the season, and he struck out almost 10 batters per 9 innings. I still think that Adkins has some value, especially once he gets more comfortable in the relief role.
Javy Guerra was limited in 2010 due to injuries, but still managed to work 27 innings in AA where he posted a 2.33 ERA. However his WHIP was 1.70 and his FIP was 4.24 because he had excessive control issues. Guerra is currently making up for lost time in the AFL, and since he is already on the 40 man roster he might get the chance to work out of the Dodgers bullpen as early as next season if he can learn better control.
Justin Miller is another guy whose ERA significantly outperformed his FIP. Miller’s ERA was an impressive 2.76 in 42.1 innings, but his FIP 5.12. The driver of Miller’s high FIP wasn’t walks, however, but instead his extremely low strikeout rate. Miller struck out just 3.83 batters per 9 innings, which is honestly one of the lowest strikeout rates I have ever seen. I’ve mentioned this before, but it’s worth saying again that Miller is an extreme sinkerball pitcher who pitches to contact, so the low strikeout rate doesn’t concern me much. Nevertheless, the 23 year old is probably going to have to get a few more swing and misses in the future because he probably won’t always be so lucky.
Finally, Javier Solano spent the last month of the season with the Lookouts and was extremely impressive in 19.2 innings. The 20 year old was by far the youngest player on the team, yet posted a 2.29 ERA, a 2.94 FIP, and a 1.02 WHIP. In addition, he struck out 10.5 batters per 9 innings and only walked 4 batters during his AA stint. According to a conversation I had with Charlie Hough during the season, he said that Solano has a low 90’s fastball, and also has a cutter, a curve, and a changeup. The only negative I can think for Solano is that he isn’t very big, and according to Hough might actually be shorter than the 6’0" he is listed at.
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Should be a tight race
between Sands/Gordon/Robinson for best prospect, though I could easily see Kenley Jansen ending up having a better career then any of them.
I also think its too early to count out Withrow
He still has dominant stuff, and could be a front line pitcher if he can learn to harness it.
What was his deal again? Somehow can’t throw strikes to lefties?
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I think just overall command issues. Walking too many guys and/or leaving too many pitches in the heart of the plate.
I can’t find the exact quote but I think DeJon (or someone similar) said they weren’t that concerned about Withrow and were glad he got a good amount of starts and innings under his belt.
Quoting DeJon about the positive aspects of our prospects
seems to miss the point. He not going to say anything negative about anyone currently in the system and will put on a positive spin about everyone. You don’t think they aren’t concerned about Withrow? Really? Honestly?
Fine, I’m sure there is some amount of concern, but I don’t think they’ve put him into the bust pile because of this past year. They’re probably pretty happy that he made all of his starts and threw a good amount of innings.
Not a bust
but I’ve been doing this for a while and as Reg said the other day, not many comps where a guy gets lit up like that in AA and turns in to a useful major league pitcher. Canuck found AJ Burnett as a positive comp for him, I’m just saying within the Dodger minor league system I do not remember one pitcher who was that bad who ended up having a career we cared about. Hopefully Withrow breaks the mold, I’m not going by scouting reports simply historical numbers.
Then again not many pitchers were doing full time starter duty in AA at age 21 so not many comps to begin with. Hopefully his age 22 season is much much better.
Agreed. If next season is a good year, he could easily be back as our #1 pitching prospect. If he repeats this next year, his stock will fall a ton, and probably be traded or tried in the ’pen.
his #1 pitching prospect status depends on how well Rubby does, in my opinion. I am, however, downright giddy that we have two starting pitching prospects who can throw 100mph. That’s amazing to me.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
Yeah, I picked Kenley simply because he’s been to the big leagues and succeeded (SSS). He gets points taken away with me for being just a relief pitcher, but until someone else makes the show and plays well, he’s my guy.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I have Kenley because he’s the only guy that doesn’t have a good “why this guy won’t succeed in the bigs” argument.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
well, he doesn’t really have a secondary pitch, but his slider is serviceable as long as his fastball is in the upper 90’s. Hitters have to cheat on heat, so anything soft is going to get weak contact. As his fastball comes back down in the next few years, he’ll need to develop a better offspeed pitch as well.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
This is why I picked Jansen, too.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
me too
Jansen has made amazing progress given the short amount of time he’s been pitching. He’s displayed it in the majors. He’s our best “real” prospect right now, hopefully he can make the sorts of adjustments that will keep him pitching well for years.
by wonderphenom on Oct 21, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
off topic
But if anyone works near USC, next friday is going to be a nightmare. The president is coming back to town to wreak traffic havoc like last time. Just got an email from my office so plan accordingly.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 21, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
102 Ton Pot Bust
in Baja the other day. Say it was worth 340 Million on the street.
20 year old girl takes Police Chief job in a border town because no one else will touch it. The girl has got some cojones.
that’d be sick. I don’t think he has McCutchen’s power, but the speed and defense with some OBP skills would be great for after Raffy leaves next year. Here’s hoping Dee figures it out this year and we can throw Gordon, Trayvon as the #1 and 2 in 2012 and go all 2003 Marlins on teams.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
that would be
pretty awesome, awesoke even
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I am really looking forward to seeing if Trayvon can continue to progress. If he can cut down on the strikeouts a bit then he could be a valuable piece in the OF.
seems that cutting down the K's
is something a lot of the Dodger prospects need to do.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that fairly normal
for prospects in general?
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It’s normal in the sense that most prospects never become good players.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Trayvon has all the tools to be a good hitter, he just needs to learn to be a good hitter.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
His O.B.P. is very encouraging though. What are you looking for in particular for him to work on? Honest question.
If Travon’s BABIP was .350 this year he would have hit .251/.367/.389 at best and no one would have cared except for a minor footnote that he walked a lot. You can’t strike out as much as Trayvon does and hit for little power.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha Ha
just for fun, I checked ref to see how many guys have K’d over 100 times while hitting less then 10 home runs since 1980. Number one on the list is this year Austin Jackson, and I think we’d be okay with that. Number two however was old friend Delino DeShields, while still an expo. Fun list:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/cmXZG
Eeep. So definitely not a recipe for sustained success.
It’s also hilarious that Delino is on there two more times.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Austin Jackson
does seem like a decent comp for him. If Trayvon can play a decent CF wouldn’t you take that?
If Trayvon would BABIP .400, I would gladly take that. If Jackson had a .350 BABIP though, that would have been an ugly year.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that
John Shelby at #14 is the highest one on the list that got a ring in a box in that year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad news: stuck at a conference all day (boring as hell, no computer)
Good news: free lunch, and Magic Johnson is the keynote speaker
Bad news: “due to time constraints, Mr. Johnson will not be available for autographs or photos.”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 21, 2010 9:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
are you going to scream “BUY THE DODGERS” in the middle of his speech?
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I was thinking more along the lines of
Those San Manuel commercials: what the fuck?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 21, 2010 9:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We seem to have several LH relief pitcher who might manage to help in 2011
in Leach, Saint Claire, and Adkins.
I liked Javier Solano’s numbers but he reminds me to much of Carlos Alvarez, a guy I liked back in 2005 who was on the Jacksonville Five team at age 20 as a relief pitcher. Upto that point he had a high double digit K rate, and insane K/BB rate. Had another solid year in 2006 as a 21 year old but then went backwards and was done. The scouts are not impressed with Solano just as they were not impressed with Alvarez.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=alvare002car
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=solano001jav
Both were smallish relief pitchers but Alvarez threw LH.
This article made me laugh
http://www.ladodgertalk.com/2009/08/we-will-not-win-anything-with-broxton-as-closer/
August 2009 ravings of a lunatic
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
lol
And one more thing I have noticed in watching both of these games start to finish – the dbacks have a plan on how to pitch the Dodgers
No shit? Teams are scouting now? We better get on that.
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1. Don’t walk Phillie pitchers
2. Matt Stairs got lucky, you can throw a strike to him now
3. If you are a LHP, go right after Ryan Howard, no need to throw him balls.
I would be so much more OK with that loss
if we hadn’t walked so many guys stupidly.
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ah yes
Mr. Timmons is not very high on Broxton. Does the whole “LOOK IN HIS EYES AND SEE TEH FEAR!!!” schpeal. He wrote an article earlier this year that he felt the Dodgers had the resources to get both Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure we did
it of course would have taken our entire minor league system.
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I voted for Dee Gordon.
If you ask me who I think will legitimately get a chance to win a job outright, its Gordon. They won’t fuck with his head and sign over the hill veterans just to block him.
Wow do I disagree
I don’t see how Ned likes him. He is not going to put an error prone guy at SS unless things change quickly.
Dee Gordon screams “Sign Jamey Carroll and Orlando Cabrera” until he figures it out or a better option comes along.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I love how the Orlando Cabrera meme is taking hold. That guy is totally gonna be a Dodger if Gordon doesn’t get his error rate down.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s totally a meme. I never want to se Alex Cora play for the Dodgers again.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I remember the Cora/Izturis days fondly.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too. Missing the playoffs was fun. Though it was hardly only their fault. Sure was fun watching them turn double plays though. Izzy was amazing going to his right.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I was in the stadium for the greatest at-bat of Cora’s life. Loved that.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh man I wish I was there. saw it on TV and still can’t believe it. How was the stadium?
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
That game was really moving along quickly and the crowd was into it. But then after Cora fouled off several, that at-bat seemed to slow it down a little. But then he fouled off so many — the Diamond Vision screen started keeping track of it — that the crowd got really into it, cheering, banging on seats. It got loud. And then when he hit it out, it was pretty much bedlam. Not Steve-Finley-grand-slam bedlam, but pretty good.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
2002 Dodgers won 92 games while missing the playoffs.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is crazy because that team wasn’t even good. Looking at the lineup, only Shawn Green had a good year (42 bombs good) and Odalis Perez was our ace. Colorado and San Diego were handing out wins that year.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
Odalis was a legit pitcher for four years.
Also Marquis Grissom is probably my favorite guy that you forgot was on the Dodgers.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I was stunned that the Dodgers resigned him in 2005. He was basically a junkball pitcher at that point.
The only starting pitchers in the entire organization after 2004 were Penny and Weaver. Odalis was one of the better pitchers available.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds
vaguely like “the only starting pitchers in the entire organization after 2010 were Kershaw and Billingsley. Ted Lilly was one of the better pitchers available.”.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That is depressing, even for me, the Den Mother among the bears.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Point is that when you absolutely need arms, sometimes you’ve got to sign guys without a ton of upside.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, on one year deals. He signed Perez to a 3 year deal. That’s the part I didn’t get. You don’t give multiple years to pitchers unless you like them on some level.
It’s hard to sign guys with 3.2 ERAs in 200 innings to a one year deal. It’s not like pitchers suddenly appeared in 2006 either.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t remember what year it was — must have been 04 or 05 — but I recall that the Dodgers were playing the Cardinals and Pujols came to bat as the go-ahead run and it was just so clear that he was going to put Odalis’s pitch into the seats. And he did.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s any batter that owns any pitcher harder than Pujols owns Odalis: 32 PA .609/.719/1.391 with five home runs.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're gonna be owned
be owned by the best
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I liked Grissom a lot. Then he played for the Giants and I wanted him to retire. It just wasn’t a very good team for winning 92 wins. That team would probably be under .500 today.
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I remember
when I was a kid I won a contest that allowed to go changed 2nd base during one of the innings. I got a ball and a high five from Cora… best day of my childhood in LA :)
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Oct 21, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Furcal errors with the Dodgers:
2006: 27
2007: 19
2008: 4
2009: 20
2010: 19
Ned Colletti does a lot of things.
Huge difference between 20 errors and 45.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully they are right
maybe you right, but of all the positions on the diamond handing the starting SS gig to a raw SS does not scream Ned to me.
If the Dodgers really thought DeJesus could play SS, they wouldn’t have tampered with the Braves deal with Furcal.
Who in their right mind would have thought
DeJesus was ready to be a starting SS in 2009 for a team expected to contend?
No, but they could have signed Furcal or somebody else to a short term deal. They gave Furcal 3 years and an option for a 4th, and NTR protection. You don’t do that unless you don’t mind blocking your prospects.
I'll take that bet, now Ned can prove it
by letting Gordon play SS on the big league team before any other positional prospect.
Exactly - no real way to prove this bet
How about – I bet Gordon is traded before he’s a starting SS for the Dodgers for an extended period because he earned it not because Furcal or other options got hurt?
There is no other shortstop prospect.
Having Maza play short as a stop gap for a week wouldn’t count and if DeJesus really is a 2B…
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No one close to ML ready at least
I am liking “Late Night” Lemmerman though…
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I just don't get the appeal
Gordon basically boils down to this.
1) Scouts like him.
2) He has played bad baseball.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides, the options outside of Gordon are dreck. Its like the catcher’s free agency market. Everyone is like Juan Castro.
Why should we consider Gordon as better than DeJesus?
Is DeJesus strictly a second baseman now? If so, that’s a bummer.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Dee Gordon and Ozzie Smith Similarities
Ozzie – 5’10", 150lbs, drafted in 4th round, made amazing defensive plays, fielding pct at age 22 in minors = .941
Gordon – 5’10", 150lbs, drafted in 4th round, made amazing defensive plays, fielding pct at age 22 in minors = .936
Similarities probably end there, but some interesting coincidences.
Ozzie had a career .666 OPS
If Dee Gordon did that for two straight years, we’ll be calling for the next hot prospect to be moved up. I realize SS isn’t a prime offensive position, but .666 would have put him right there with Wilson Alvarez, Ramon Santiago and Orlando Cabrera.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
You can get by with that OPS
when you are the single greatest defensive baseball player who ever lived.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much. The DeJesus as a SS ship sailed long ago when they wouldn’t call him up despite Furcal being injured for half of the year. He played at 2nd base at AAA
i think the broken leg is why he isnt playing SS
at least originally after coming off the injury. I remember something that said something along these lines “We want DeJesus to come back and not worry about the additional stress of playing SS(regarding range and such), so they will start him at 2B”. Could have something to do with Furcal being here and no 2B being here, and Gordon trying to catch him…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Oct 21, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Because DeJesus has done nothing since 2008.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
DeJesus missed all of 2009 and was recovering from an injury last year.
And De Jesus performed at AA at a younger age then Gordon.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Other then break his leg
and miss all of 2009. 2010 was all about reclaiming missing 12 full months of baseball. That is a bogus comment.
I do realize it, but until DeJesus shows us he can play again, he’s gonna be lower on the list than Gordon.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Article on the Fernandomania 30-30 piece in today’s LA Times, courtesy of Carl Chris Erskine.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-erskine-20101021,0,1187494.column
Eric, sorry but it looks like they won’t honor your request and skip talking about kicking the families out of Chavez Ravine:
At times, the 50-minute piece flirts with becoming too political. It deals too long, perhaps, with the ugly ouster of Mexican Americans from the site where Dodger Stadium would be built. But it deftly ties together that historical moment with the pride and sense of euphoria that Fernandomania brought back to that same battleground.
Mirror the Gnats?
How are the Giants dismantling the Phils when we couldn’t? Where is the Posey in the Dodger system?
The last time the Dodgers even had an opportunity to get a Posey we got Kershaw.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
we havent sucked as hard as the giants the last few years so nobody really
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 21, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Playoff baseball
Small sample size fun!
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
but hes a legit roy candidate too
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 21, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Just talking about why SF can own the Phillies and LAD can’t.
Not about Posey. He’s a stud.
by Michael White on Oct 21, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Well you're right
I don’t like Gordon as best prospect ;-) but I see why you picked him. We shouldn’t just go off stats in a given year for picking best prospect because they are sometimes misleading. However right now it’s clear to me that Sands and Robinson are much closer to being big league players and Gordon, high ceiling and superspeed notwithstanding, is a real risk, he could totally explode into Jose Reyes, or implode. I just have more faith in the other guys right now but let’s see how he develops, this will be a real key year for him esp on defense.
But great report, recap, I am interested in a lot of these guys. Was glad to see Wallach develop enough to get the call and give them some stability at AA catcher, hopefully, and maybe become a legit catching prospect, or at least future decent ML backup.
The starting pitchers are less interesting aside from Withrow and De La Rosa, but some relievers to keep an eye on (aside from KJ obviously), esp Guerra. Thanks!
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It’s really hard to take minor league performance in context. I find myself reacting to the latest hot streak as if the guy is the next great young player. ‘Oh, Russ Mitchell ended the year hitting the ball well, Starting RF 2011!’ ‘Landry and Lemmerman hit .690 in rookie ball? See you in Chatanooga!’ ‘Jerry Sands for starting 2011 1B!’ In reality, if 1 out of 20 prospects even makes it to the major leagues, and if 1 in 50 become a MLB starter, you’ve had a successful system.
Not telling anyone how to think, just making a personal observation.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I voted for Trayvon
based purely on performance. If it was a “who is the best Dodger prospect to play in AA” question, I would’ve picked Sands with Withrow a close second.
I voted for Trayvon too, but admit part of what pushed me over the edge is that he’s a LA native and Dodger fan.
Hopefully he doesn’t enter the Ely route and get traded to the Angels.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I am much more bitter
about the Giants success thus far then I thought I’d be.
Also bitter that I was invited to an event at Dodger stadium tonight to watch the 30 for 30 (with Fernando in attendance) but I can’t go.
Don't you worry
The Rangers will take care of business in Game 6, and then they will further take care of business against the Giants.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The Rangers are very, very easy to root for.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone who points out their straight edgedness: probably a douchebag.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He is one of those straight edge guys? What is that about anyway? No drinking, cursing or something? Yeah, if he brings that up then he is kinda a douche.
Not having a Facebook is the new I don’t have a TV.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
no
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Three is a big difference
between not wanting to use that over privacy concerns and simply not feeling that there is anything compelling on tv, or feeling you would be better of reading a book.
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I think I'm taking your comment out of context
if you simply meant that people who don’t have facebook always have to tell other people how they don’t have facebook, then yeah I guess so.
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Yeah, that’s what I meant. The “always let people know while being slightly smug about it”.
Usually will say something like “if I wanted to talk to my friends, I’d call them.”
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I usually say, “If I wanted to talk to my friends, I’d have friends.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, no drinking, drugs and depending on how attractive you are no promiscuous sex. His twitter is @straightedgeracer
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, I guess it is cool to try to adhere to that, but I couldn’t actually imagine using the term “straight edge” to describe myself. It sounds really stupid.
Yeah, adherring to that: probably a normal person. Point out your straight edgedness: douchebag.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Ironic
considering CJ Wilson was quoted as saying “the average guy in an MLB clubhouse is a douchebag”
He can be a douche
and right all at the same time.
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Win what again
he’s never been t the World Series
by bhsportsguy on Oct 21, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
You know I root for weird things
And since the Rangers were the only team left that had never won a postseason series, I started off the postseason rooting for that to continue.
But now that it’s gone, GO RANGERS!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
FUCK NO!
The Yankees are making a comeback, continuing in T minus 23 minutes
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Oct 21, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The O-Dog is going to be a guest analyst on MLB Network this Saturday and Sunday.
It would be great if on Sunday, Ronnie Belliard is in his place with no explanation.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 21, 2010 10:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Asked for comment, Hazel Mae said, “Ask Joe Torre.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Klaw
(1:02 PM)
So in 2008, the Giants gave Buster Posey what was (temporarily, at least) the highest bonus figure any player received in that draft, slightly over $6 million. I think it’s fair to say that they’ve already received twice that much value in return, and they still have six more years of control, three at the minimum salary. Just remember that the next time you hear some anonymous owner or GM or scouting director claim that what the draft really needs is hard slotting, because even with the current system of slot “recommendations,” it’s clear today that Posey got hosed.
Posey will be a Super Two (under current CBA). Only minimum salary for two more years.
by silverwidow on Oct 21, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s clear today that Posey got hosed
Is that true? I mean it’s true in the micro, in that Posey signed for $6 million and has been great. But in the macro, don’t we have to look at all the guys who sign over slot and factor in all of their values together? I mean, we all hope Strasburg comes back, but what if he doesn’t? That is a huge bonus that would be for nothing…
There was a non-zero chance that Posey wouldn’t make it. That has to be calculated into his bonus.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It is pretty BS I think to say that
I mean whats the washout rate of guys picked that high? I know most first rounders never even play a game in the majors, but how about guys who get picked in the top 10? Maybe the issue is them getting to keep him out of arbitration for long, or simply the way arbitration works.
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I would like to see arbitration start after the player’s first full year, eliminating the assigned salaries. This would put a lot more free agents on the market at age 27 instead of 30, and would probably lead to more homegrown players being locked up long term.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I know most first rounders never even play a game in the majors, but how about guys who get picked in the top 10?
Does anecdotal evidence count? Posey was taken fifth overall in the 2008 draft. The very next guy taken, Kyle Skipworth, is also a catcher. He has an abysmal K rate and his stock is falling very fast.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not scientific
but it still highlights the risk of handing 6 million to a guy who could never impact your big league club depending on how things shake out.
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Kyle Skipworth
Such an MLB name though. He’ll bounce back.
Seems like the name of someone who should've been
passed over when drafting in that spot.
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I think you and the GF
should pack up and come down to Santa Barbara this afternoon, the City might not be safe for you for a while.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 21, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
I wish we could :-( I may have to just stay in my bunker for a few days…
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Jeff (Boston)
Point taken about slotting, but of course, Posey is far beyond what would be typical return on investment.
Klaw (1:32 PM)
I think there are 2-3 guys in every draft like that, and they get screwed the most. But probably a dozen guys per year would get significantly more if they were free agents, and the draft hurts them the most. I’m not talking about second-round picks – I’m talking about premium guys. Harper gets double his bonus if he’s a free agent this past June.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 21, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if teams will expand their budget to sign amateur players if you get rid of the draft though.
Hm. i suppose there is some way to set up a system where a player becomes eligible/available and becomes a free agent, but the rules are such that he is still under team control for X years. You have to give teams the flexibility to develop them.
On the other hand… let’s say that eliminating the draft help those dozen guys. Wouldn’t it screw everybody else? Right now, you draft a guy, and you’re married to him — you can only deal with him. That inflates his value — sign him or get nothing. If there are 30 guys of rougly equal value, then their bonuses should go way down, right?
Also, isn’t part of the point of the draft to help weak and poor teams rebuild? If you eliminate the draft, couldn’t (say) the Yankees just pour money into the amateur free agent market, get all the Poseys and Strasburgs and Harpers and leave the teams like the Royals and Nationals for dead?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. The draft isn’t perfect, but it’s the only way to have any kind of competitive balance.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
More to the point
The more I think about it, the more I like my anecdote. I just don’t know how you can look at the 08 draft, look at Posey and Skipworth, and say Posey got screwed, eliminate the draft.
I don’t know anything about Skipworth, so I looked at the archives on Sickels’s site. He sure seemed like a highly regarded prospect. He is just flaming out.
Yeah, there are 2-3 guys like Posey in every draft who get screwed. But until we can know in advance who those guys will be, there’s not a better system than the draft. I do suppose we can tweak the FA rules…
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith Law’s point is that Skipworth got screwed over too, because if he’s not a major leaguer, the bonus is his only way to see any type of money. He should be able to shop himself to the highest bidder
Well I disagree strongly with that
he got several million without having to prove jack in the majors. That isn’t getting screwed.
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Hmmm… I guess I see now. But I still think it’s crazy. Basically, that means that Posey got screwed because he provides more value to the Giants than he signed for, and Skipworth got screwed even though he provides zero value. I dunno.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they should have to prove it
but then there has to be a better system for those who outperform their contracts to get a raise. 3 years of team control for the minimum is just too long. Its the same issue football has right now in a lot of ways. Their high first round picks are getting paid more then most proven veterans. A lot of people want to put a cap on the length of those rookie contracts so they can become FA sooner if they perform. That probably works better in football though where there is higher incentive to sign a new contract before hitting free agency due to injury risks.
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But teams provide an added value to most players: they develop them into major leaguers. The teams deeserves to be rewarded for that value with something. Maybe 3 years of team control for the minimum is too much, but I can’t ignore what the teams provide to the players.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
Baseball has to factor in the development time in the minors, and majors. Taking 2 or 3 years in the bigs to be arbitration eligible is too long I think though.
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And that is an important value
I assume the minor league wouldn’t exist without the major-league subsidies, or at least not like they do today, but if people really wanted a more free market system, should the majors just cut the minors loose, let that settle into a bunch of independent leagues, eliminate the draft, and let players choose to play for independent leagues or college until they are major-league ready as free agents? I suppose the major would have to have one AAA-like system for their “taxi squads”, from where you get replacements for injuries, etc – maybe each MLB team supply 1/2 an “AAA” roster, or something.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
And that is just spitballin’, off the top of head, not something I thought long and hard about.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t that how it used to be? How did the minor leagues become slaves to the majors?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Branch Rickey
He came up with the plan for the Cardinals to invest in a group of minor-league teams across all levels. They could then get players under contract to one of the those teams, develop them, and move them up the chain. Eventually all teams did that in order to compete.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I see. And the minor league teams were forced into this situation by the supreme court’s antitrust decision, right? Which basically said that ML teams could set the rate at which players are purchased from the MiL teams?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm neither a lawyer nor a(h) historian
but that makes senses to me.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
For stat junkies
Im doing a stats project on Homeruns hit by players based on variables: weight, salaries, and I need one more . .. Is there another stat that can be used like park factors or something?
by SeanMillerSavior on Oct 21, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Ned it up
“years of experience”
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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Denice (Anaheim,CA)
Keith, what were your thoughts when the Angels Let Eddie Bane go as their Scouting director?
Klaw
(1:11 PM)
Shocked and puzzled. Really doesn’t make sense. I’d like to see them promote cross-checker Rick Wilson to that job.
One thing that will probably get overlooked about the Giants
and maybe they get in as a W/C but San Diego’s collapse is what led them to this place.
What is up with this per Shaikin
The commissioner already was dismayed at the public spectacle of the divorce. He was disturbed to hear that Frank had ousted the Dodgers’ respected president, Dennis Mannion, and turned the business side of the team over to Geoff Wharton, whose background is in real estate, not sports. Three marketing staffers also departed this week, including the senior director of marketing, Harlan Hendrickson, whom Mannion had recruited to Los Angeles.
anything that makes seligula pissed at mccourt is fine with me
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 21, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well its his fault in the first place
so he can go fuck himself.
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Source?
Please.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
somehow I missed the “Shaikin” in your subject line!
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
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Xavier (Baltimore)
What’s your take on Josh Bell after so-so AAA numbers and hapless MLB debut in 2010? Still the future at 3B for the O’s?
Klaw
(2:09 PM)
Didn’t belong in the majors, so I’m inclined to toss that half-season out. Interesting rumor: If Butterfield doesn’t get the Toronto gig, he goes to join Buck in Baltimore. Butterfield’s a wizard with infielders and I’d make his first assignment fixing up Bell’s defense.
Heard 6.9 earthquake off Baja
That’s my Buster Olney…but seriously, anything shaking to the north?
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 21, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
It was way south, the very southern part of Baja
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010crbl.php
So I doubt there was a lot of shaking in California but was definitely a big one. Hope people there are okay.
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Pretty close to La Paz
and about halfway between the peninsula and the “main” portion of Mexico.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez (Santa Barbara)
Dee Gordon – seems like he has a limited upside offensively, about 1 WAR a year, so his impact status depends on his defense, right? So, can he improve his consistency/fundamentals/ect. to become a 3-4 WAR defender at short?
Klaw
(2:31 PM)
That’s a pretty pessimistic offensive projection, and I don’t agree with it.
THEN EXPLAIN WHY YOU DON'T!
I don’t think Keith will like Phil
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
From a non-scout
I think the offensive projections on Dee Gordon all come from the thought that if he can can just put some balls in the gap, he will be a double/triple machine. I would bet money he’ll never hit more than ten homers in a major league season.
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Donny (Toronto)
What are your thoughts on the Dodger blocking the Blue Jays from speaking with Wallach?
Klaw
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Not a fan of that move for any coach or executive in any organization. The Yankees did it to Oppenheimer, and I thought it was a bush league move for a franchise that tries to hold itself to a higher standard.
I disagree with Law on that
Wallach negotiated that in return for the security of having a contract in place if he doesn’t get a manager job elsewhere. My employer doesn’t block me from finding new jobs, but he also doesn’t guarantee me a salary for the next year either.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s another story that says Wallach got to choose which teams he was allowed to talk to.
Because of the high number of managerial vacancies, the Dodgers wanted him to limit the number of interviews he’d do. Otherwise they would have a problem of not knowing whether Wallach was with the Dodgers until too deep into the off-season.
So, part of Wallach’s contract deal was that he could pick only X number of teams he’d interview with. Wallach picked the teams, and didn’t put the Jays on his list.
So: it’s nothing personal toward the Jays, nothing evil that the Dodgers did, just one of those things.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
by MartinGreen on Oct 21, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
which allowed them to agree on a contract that guarantees Wallach a job next season if he gets none of those manager jobs. In return for that guarantee, Wallach had to agree to limit his job search. That seems like a fair negotiation to me.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
MLBTR
talks about potential relievers for the D-backs, and mentions Belisario. Would your trade him, and what could the Dodgers get for him? I imagine the personal stuff effects his value more than his performance last year.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
No
I wouldn’t trade cheap, under-control bullpen pitchers unless the other team really wanted to overpay. I wouldn’t having a left-hand hitting catcher on my bench, like Montero, but that’s not happening.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Forgive me if I’m missing something dumb, but I think it’s possible that Montero would be the Dodgers’ starting catcher.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
or 1/2 of a platoon.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
unless the other team really wanted to overpay
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure sounds nice. I’d do it. Which makes me think — and I’m sure you agree — that this is an example of “you can’t get a guy you want for a guy you don’t want.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
unless the other team really wanted to overpay
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You absolutely trade him unless you’re getting 7th starter in return.
by silverwidow on Oct 21, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That's my point
I expect other teams, especially in the off-season, to think that relievers are fungible and that they should overpay for them.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
… they should not overpay …
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's official
Pac-12 will be divided by North and South divisions.
North: Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Wazzou, Washington
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado
Equal revenue sharing for all, $170 million divided. 9-conference games. USC will still face traditional opponents, Stanford and Cal
So 8 of their games will be in conference?
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Five intra-divisional games, four inter-divisional games
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
scratch that
Equal revenue sharing will begin in 2012
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
when does the Dotel to the Rockies deal have to be compleated?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
Within 6 months from the trade. But these deals usually get announced sooner than that.
by silverwidow on Oct 21, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact it hasn’t been announced yet could mean the return is a 40-man roster guy from Colorado. So 5 days after the World Series, our roster will have plenty of room. Right now, it’s full.
by silverwidow on Oct 21, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Just got a text from ESPN saying that Baseball is considering a 7 day DL for concussions.
Anyone heard this?
I don’t like it. They should be put on the regular 15-day for preventative reasons.
by silverwidow on Oct 21, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So we’re giving players with concussions less time to heal?
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Result: Lots of praise from the Plaschkes of the world the first time this get used. Then everyone after that gets called a pussy for pulling themselves out of the game.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the idea may be that teams would choose not to put a concussed player on the DL at all. Concussion being taken seriously in sports is a very new phenomenon. If the realistic choice is between a 7-day DL and zero days of DL, then 7 days is preferable.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Me and you aren’t. I believe MLB is…..
:)
I just read a text. I need to dive in a little further.
One point I’d like to make is that the only players I can think of that have suffered from concussions in the past couple of years have basically been done for the year after the concussion. Dude for the Mets last year…can’t think of his name. He was and OF. Justin Morneau has been out for like 3 months with one.
And lets cut the recovery time in half…
Mets Guy=Jason Bay
was at that game, man he went into the bullpen gate hard.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The 7 days is only a minimum, most likely. I guess the thinking is that a team will be more willing to put a player with a concussion on the DL if its only a week vs. two weeks. Remember how long it took Kuroda to be put on the DL for his concussion?
How about we just make it mandatory for teams to hire competent doctors.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really think the issue is the competency of the doctors
That certainly wasn’t the issue in the NFL.
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Okay, how about really jacked doctors that can intimidate players into taking time off?
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
How do we get
R. Lee Ermey a medical degree?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or just more stringent requirements
with hefty penalties when coaches or players rush back from concussion?
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Unworkable
Who judges what is coming back too fast?
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The doctors
In the NFL if the players don’t pass whatever test it is that they administer, the players can’t get back into the game.
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It depends on the severity of the concussion
Some concussions don’t take 15 days for the player to get right.
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The real issues is teams won't want to put them on the 15 day dl
if its a minor concussion that would take a weak to heal, and are then are likely to want the player to come back sooner.
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This argument isn't special for concussions
Why not just change the 15-day DL to a 7-day DL, which might t teams be quicker about getting players on to the DL to nurse whatever injury they have?
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Because those injuries don't cause brain damage
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If a pitching is hiding an injury
and that injury hampers his command and he’s more likely to bean a batter in the noggin….
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
stretching
a bit on that one aren’t we?
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I don't think so
The point is that the proposal for concussions is to protect the players from themselves and from team pressure to do without them for 15 days. Why not do that for all injuries? Let that toe heal for 7 days so you don’t alter your mechanics and blow out your shoulder.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats a different argument
then saying we should put them on the dl because of some chance they might throw a ball into someone else’s head. Risking permanent brain damage is a bigger deal then risking blowing out your shoulder. Playing through injuries has always been part of sports, but the risks associated with concussions are simply higher then those associated with blowing out your shoulder.
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Justin Morneau
was out the rest of the season after his concussion. The existing DLs are fine.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The #1 2010 True Blue LA Top Prospect
As voted on here. Zero votes thus far. Sad.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We are a fickle lot
What has he done for us lately?
Here’s hoping that this time next year that we’re not having this discussion about Jerry Sands.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The only discussion on here about Sands in the future is whether or not he is a threat to win the Triple Crown in his rookie year!
:)
Did you take a turn in
Tripon’s hyperbolic chamber?
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If this was projection
Withrow would have votes
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't projection part of it?
Who was the best Dodger prospect to play for the Lookouts in 2010?
It’s not “who was the best player”, it is “who is the best prospect”.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry i've been busy at work all day
but yeah it is who is the best overall prospect, so of course projection should be taken into account. I’m surprised that Withrow has zero votes also, especially because, as somebody already mentioned, he was voted #1 by TBLA this year. It will be interesting to see who wins this year.
Also, I know I intially said we’d probably do the TBLA prospect vote in December, but I think it makes sense to move it up to run after I post my AAA season in review next week. That way people won’t get swayed by the Baseball America and other top prospect lists that are going to be coming out soon
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 21, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Will Jansen be on the list of choices for the TBLA prospect vote?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep Jansen will be on the list
He is still technically a rookie so he counts as a prospect
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 21, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Good idea
Those BA reports begin in 11 days.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Bleacher Report
says Dodgers should “target”:
Adrian Beltre
Orlando Hudson
Yu Darvish
Vicente Padilla
Zack Greinke
He won’t do it
He won’t do it
They shouldn’t do it
He’ll shoot it
THEY MIGHT DO IT
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
heh
i like this
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It Makes Too Much Sense for Ned to Do It
I like the idea of getting Greinke, but I am bit worried seeing Dee Gordon, Aaron Miller and Rubby De La Rosa as Royals, in the future.
by dangerisland on Oct 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.
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Seriously
the hell are you thinking?
AL Cy Young winner for an error-prone speed-only SS and two good pitching prospects? Sign me up.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I would make that trade in a heartbeat. There are big questions about whether Gordon and Miller will be major leaguers, and Rubby may well be a 4th starter.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
include Withrow and X Paul
get them to give us Gordon. MWA HAHAHAHAHA
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
“We got a million prospects we don’t like. Can we have all of your good players?”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
At the same time, he isn’t saying ‘give us Greinke and Moustakas for John Lindsey’. If we thought a difference maker was available, Rubby, Withrow, Jansen, Miller, Martin, Sands, Trayvon, et al should all be available, and a package of 2-3 of them should bring back just about anyone.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
isn't that how trade's work?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes. And sometimes teams say, no dice, we’ll hold on to Beckett until you give us Hanley.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
and sometimes
they say, You’ll give WHO for Dotel? Uh….I’ll have to think about it….(high fives assisstant GMs and sticks fist in mouth to hold laughter back.)
Deal.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pittsburgh was high on Lambo.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
where as Colletti
had clearly crashed
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
“Neil? It’s Ned. Have I got a proposal for you. Octavio Dotel for James McDonald”
“You want to give me James McDonald for Octavio Dotel?”
“Fine, you drive a hard bargain. McDonald, and Lambo.”
“Let me think about it and call you back”
Does stanky leg
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ned Colletti=Peter Griffin?
“He….he doesn’t know how to haggle.” -Brian
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a heartbeat, I will make that trade
Take them! Take them all!!
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
My heartbeats are faster than you guyses heartbeats!
hahahahah!
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saw that
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We should have Vicente Padilla target Bleacher Report
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by G.Scott on Oct 21, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd for brilliance
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He wrote that before his Home Ec class
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Dave
the raid was obviously in wilmington if you were still curious. And I do not associate with people there.
Heh
Figures.
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The only cool thing about a Yankee / Phillie World Series
is that they both had to come back from 3 – 1deficits.
eh
the “insider” logo doesn’t excite me. ;-)
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by David Young on Oct 21, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s going to explode in riots when the series goes back to Philly.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
They’re getting pretty crazy about the Giants there. I have to give the city credit for that. There wasn’t much Dodger fever in LA the last two NLCS, although we were never in a close-out game position and we have the Lakers so people may not get excited until the actual World Series.
indeed
apparently one of the high rise buildings in the financial district has a giant Giants flag up
I hate this place right now!!!!
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
remember when Barry Bonds hit that ball that time, and they made City Hall Orange? That was the worst. It was like when the Campanile is lit up blue, but the evil polar opposite
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
We should have an anti Giants party
Not sure what that would constitute tho… Bitter people drinking bitters? And Humma’s Gin? And burning Barry Bonds Fatheads in effigy? Or panda hats? Or just getting on a plane for the Yucatan?
Meh, whatever, let people have their cocky, jinxy fun.
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Gin’s always flowing at my place. Come on by.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It Will Be a Crisis if They Drop the Next Three
I keep on coming back to the thing that these are the Giants and they cannot stand prosperity. They will find a way to lose, just like they did against the Angels.
by dangerisland on Oct 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Lookouts announcer
Since when does size have ANYTHING to do with playing baseball????
Funny to look back on this.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/8/16/1623852/chattanooga-lookouts-prospect-q-a
Best Dee Gordon Scouting Report Ever?
A little but he still has to learn when to hold’em and when to fold’em!!
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is there a larger pick on one of the articles?
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, there it goes. Not one X-man though. That’s bullshit. Do like Captain America though down at the bottom
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you could see if you had the insider thing
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m assuming this is all in the magazine. I may have to visit a newsstand. We have those in LA, right?
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
in supermarkets
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
true
and barnes & noble, though I always feel like I’m declaring my stupidity reading a magazine in a book store. I need a sign that reads, “I’m doing my masters in English, my brain just needs some junk food”
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Like the world needs more Wolverine
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heh
i’m hoping that Captain America movie is cool. He’s my older bro’s favorite
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
watching Iron Man 2
for the second time I realized how much Marvel is about foreign policy and super soldiers, whereas DC is all local problems like crime
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Millar
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is he a total hottie?
but yeah I know he was one of the guys who consulted on the Iron Man films, and has had a big hand in most of marvels big properties as of late I think, and his stuff is always all political, see Ultimates and Civil War.
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nah I don’t dig him, just his work. Kick-Ass specifically, I thought it was fantastic
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I finally watched kick-ass last week
After all the hype it got from almost everyone on this site, I was disappointed.
Yeah
I’m hoping for thor and captain america not to suck so the avengers movie can be awesome
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Are you kidding me?
Chris Evans is playing Captain America, what a loser.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
and you would have casted.......
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
fair enough
but I’ll just say, I had reserverations when I heard Heath Ledger was going to play The Joker in Dark Knight. I’d never seen him in anything but those movies where he is the handsome leading man. so I’ll give Chris the chance, not like I know a ton about Cap anyway.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
he can play Bucky
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t have the Captain America look
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Too broody
this is captain america josie not mopey mcMoperson.
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got it
action hero-y, confident not mopey, looks good shirtless. Thinking….
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yessss!!!!!
He’s guesting on the Office starting tonight, so much dreamy
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There you go
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too happy
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while I enjoyed Die Hard 4
he had the fakest intensity in that flick
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He rocks in Justified though.
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i wanted to watch that
never have.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a great show!
Elmore Leonard in inspiration and feel and characters, gets better and better. Def check it out when rerun or on DVD
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action hero-y, confident not mopey, looks good shirtless
Angelina Jolie.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I like how you think inside the box
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
by G.Scott on Oct 21, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
easiest rec ever.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Daaaamon
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
by G.Scott on Oct 21, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's Captain America
Not Captain Cypher
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not tall enough
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Captain Tightpants!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The other guy is David Boring-anaz.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
right? Nathan might not be buff enough though. David, I think, could pull it off
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
John Cena
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When it comes crashing down and it hurts inside…
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I admit
i was a Hulkamaniac. F’d up my vocal cords yelling for him at WM21.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly you’ve never enjoyed the finest work of our generation: The Marine.
Any movie that has “drink when something explodes” be a guaranteed hospital trip is okay by me.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
What I didn’t get about that movie is how the villian kept trying to have these moments of levity, like ordering cable while being on the run from a dude trying to kill him and get his wife back.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He considers John Cena so little of a threat that paying his cable bill is priority number one.
And as professional wrestling has taught us, he fell victim to the greatest sin, pride.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rock
begs to differ, jabroni
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Outside the ring sure, but inside the ring he was a consummate professional with solid fundamentals who never showboated.
by regfairfield on Oct 21, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
he was
pretty awesome
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Derek Jeter
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marvel's "inhouse" movie studio
hasn’t messed up yet. I personally think he could do a good job, we’ll see.
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I don't know
Not a big fan of his movies, and he was made as too badass as Johnny in the Fantastic Four
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Which isn't necessarily his fault
but yeah he hasn’t done anything before that makes me excited about him as Cap, but I’m witholding judgment.
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Not another teen movie – All I think about. So annoying.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Disney united!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG
you just named MLS’ next expansion team
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Captained by
Jack Sparrow
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
“Why’s all the gatorade gone?”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
but just think of the marketing possibilities. I mean put them in Orlando, or Anahiem if Chivas ends up leaving, Disney United, and soccer crowds are kid heavy cause of AYSO, you could just sell them on all the latest disney crap while providing quality football cause you could afford the transfer fees for just about anyone
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
but just think of the marketing possibilities. I mean put them in Orlando, or Anahiem if Chivas ends up leaving, Disney United, and soccer crowds are kid heavy cause of AYSO, you could just sell them on all the latest disney crapwhile providing quality football cause you could afford the transfer fees for just about anyone
Ran that by the Disney executives who would have to sell their superiors on it, and they FTFY.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I know they won a WS on Disney’s watch, but… I’m gonna say it: that was the flukiest fluke that ever fluked.
Totally true fact I just made up: Before the Angels, every team that had won the WS had been in the top half of MLB in walks, or home runs, or both. Angels were the first team that neither walked nor hit home runs and won a championship.
No idea if that’s true, but I"m gonna repeat it like it is.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Disney made the team good
so they could sell.
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They won the WS in the red unis, was that still Disney time?
by Josie Becker on Oct 21, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
si
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they sold them after that season
and it was the first year of the red
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don't care if it was fluke
they beat the Giants
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Scott Spezio
motherfuckers.
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also
read an article today, the inventor of the Rally Monkey is broke, and selling his WS ring.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
the inventor of the rally monkey is two bigger, older monkeys
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
i'm not following you
how does that work? ;)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Monkeys are mammals. When they have sex, rally monkeys are born.
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(scribbles notes)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
cause you could afford the transfer fees for just about anyone
You know what happened the last time they owned a sports team?

this happend!
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shit stupid no header crap
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Any of you losers going to Blizzcon?
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no
all about games for the company Blizzard, which makes World of Warcraft.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
its a convention in Anaheim
for Blizzard a video game maker.
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My friend invited me
He works as website engineer for Blizzard, but I passed.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 21, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Too crowded
I would go if it was free methinks, but I’m not paying 70 dollars to wait in line to play a game I’m going to eventually pay 50 dollars for anyways.
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Dicks Lineup
Victorino CF
Polanco 3B
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Werth RF
Rollins SS
Ibanez LF
Ruiz C
Halladay P
by Alex41592 on Oct 21, 2010 2:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
you guys
win the fucking game.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the lineup that will swing at two dozen changeups in the dirt
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
And if Matt Kemp was a Phillie
It would be three dozen.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Assholes/Pussies etc... Lineup
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
Lincecum P
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you guys
lose the fucking game.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
No Way
I am enjoying the idea of Phillies fans suffering right now.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Enjoying Phillies fans suffering while you are watching your greatest rival succeed is like telling the guy in the jail cell next to you how shitty his luck is.
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Exactly
I would enjoy their failure more if I lived in Philly.
But then I’d be living in Philly, which would suck.
I want the Phillies to be embarrassed in the WS again. Guess I’ll have to settle for the Giants having that fate.
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sure seems that way
hope that means 2011 we break the single season record for wins set by the Mariners, and sweep our way to championship. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly wondered last night
as I was being tortured on a tram full of cocky G fans, if I’d run over a litter of puppies with a steamroller in a previous life and am being punished for it now randomly.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Ah, there is where I differ. I didn’t grow up hating the Giants, and I don’t see them as my greatest rival.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 21, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Magic Johnson wants to bring football to LA
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/10/magic_johnson_would_really_rea.html
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LA Jaguars
here we come
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
they are the cheapest NFL franchise I think
so yeah, that would be one of the top choices
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I just heard a while back
they wanted a new stadium, and Jacksonville didn’t want to give them one.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't know
I think LA (defined to include Anaheim) has enough sports teams. He should really consider making the ones that already exist better.
The chargers are probably going to end up being the LA team
and thats going to make me sad.
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Dunno, the 2nd largest city in the country doesn't have a pro football team
the NFL is more popular ratings wise than baseball. Does not compute.
Jacksonville and Tennessee have NFL teams, smaller markets, and yet LA doesn’t.
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Questions
1. Do the teams in smaller markets sell out their stadiums?
2. What is the TV viewership in LA for football? Would that go up if LA got a team?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 21, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
the guy on the radio this afternoon said “Bring us a football team, Magic. I’m tired of hearing Raiders fans complain. take the hour flight up to Oakland to watch a game. Get into knife fights up there”.
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I bought Madden 2011
even though I don’t have any time to play it. I had to admit to myself that I was a Raiders fan when I started Franchise mode… was going back and forth between very different teams I kind of like for one reason or another.
Jacksonville doesn't anymore
they were very popular at first but the economy hit the shitter in that area the past few years coupled with a mediocre team, so no, they’ve had issues. Indianapolis is always good but also usually does well selling out. Tennessee is up and down in attendance I believe.
not sure about #2…
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I can’t imagine why that Indianapolis team keeps selling out.
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they had a good run last year
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That dude #18 may have something to do with it also.
Or because there ain’t shit to do in Indiana except meth, shots, hookers, Indians baseball and Colts football.
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Indians?
they play in Cleaveland….Ohio.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
my mind is scattered right now
lay it out for me
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
well i'll be damned
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 21, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They play at Victory Field
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=41848
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Well like I said
their team is always good, always a contender, so no surprises there. Take away Peyton Manning, make them crummy, and see if they get the same rabid crowds. But they seem like good fanbase.
I wonder if LA team’s support would depend not just on what kind of stadium but the age old question of where the stadium goes (once they build new one). Accessibility, demographics, aesthetics, space, etc.
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Phil is gonna get you
for insinuating that one player is that important to their team in football
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I can't imagine he'll disagree with me about Peyton Manning
though certainly they’ve had other key players over the years (very good receivers, good OL, pass rushers like Freeney etc) but Manning is unarguably a huge difference maker.
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They do not have a good OL
and haven’t for 2 years. But yes, he disagreed with me when I said they would not be a good team without Manning. Their defense simply isn’t very good this year and nobody else could throw behind their current offensive line, and they can’t run the ball to save their lives.
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just for fun
which is more likely, another New Jersey turnpike series (Phillies/ Yankees) or UCLA winning in Oregon tonight?
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I think Oregon is going to cover the 25.5 point spread
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