Dodgers Draft Report Card on Baseball America
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 8:57 AM PDT
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The Dodgers draft report card has been posted on Baseball America, although it is behind a pay wall. If you subscribe to the site, it is worth checking out at:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/draft-dish/2010/2610849.html
To keep the integrity of the paywall I can't summarize the entire article, I will mention a few interesting points. For one it says that 21st round pick Noel Cuevas has the most raw power of our 2010 draft class, which I thought was interesting. It also gives James Baldwin a lot of praise, and says that either 4th round pick Leon Landry or 30th rounder Shawn Tolleson are closest the majors, although Zach Lee shouldn't be counted out either.
UPDATE:
In a separate article BA did an overview of the entire 2010 draft. Dodgers that made the cut are as follows:Best Late Round Pick At or Below Slot Bonus:
- Shawn Tolleson
Best Pro Debut (College Players)
- Jake Lemmerman
Closest to Majors (High School Players)
- Zach Lee
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Speaking of these pay walls, if I were to subscribe to one or two, what is, let’s say, your top 5?
Baseball America
Baseball Prospectus
ESPN
are there more/better ones
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I dont subscribe to anything but from what I read b-pro has been a mess ever since Nate Silver got into politics
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 22, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I only subscribe to ESPN
At least I’m getting more than one sport out of it.
If you’re just into baseball, I wouldn’t recommend it.
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I subscribe to Baseball America and ESPN
and I think both are worth it. Baseball America so many subscriber required links, and they have new content almost every day. It doesn’t spend a ton of time on the current major league players, but has all the info you could ask for on college baseball, minor league prospects, and the baseball draft.
ESPN is cool because you also get ESPN the magazine with your subscription. I can honestly say that I don’t click on that many insider articles on the website, however, but when I do they are usually worth it
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
They didn't give a grade
but it did have our total spending at $8M, although I think that has already been disclosed somewhere
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
i mean does it really matter
grades dont matter untill bout 4 years later
I subscribed to BA for years
But the price just got a little high for me. Besides, the issues were always way behind once they hit the press. I still buy their Prospect Handbooks though.
Ignoring the bust possibilty
I get the feeling Leon Landry may turn into our next Trayvon Robinson after Trayvon is done doing his thing. Would be kind of sick to see both of those guys in the same outfield around 2014.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
yeah a college pick
out of baylor where he actually really struggled in 2010, although he had a good K rate there. he is 22 years old
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
with Lemmerman. Put some pressure on DeeWee Gordon
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
That’s right. The best one can say about Dee Gordon is that he “held his own” in AA. That’s fine and he deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point. But it may work out that next year is a big one for Gordon, in the sense that the SS position opens up in 2012. Does anyone believe that Gordon will be ready to play on the big league club? If not… well, you know who I think the Dodgers will sign. And if that happens, then the role of Next Dodger Shortstop is wide open.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Derek Jeter?
/runs away laughing
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, the more I think the Dodgers should sign Orlando Cabrera and Melky Cabrera and trade for Miguel Cabrera, just to drive Mitch Poole insane.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
rec’d
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
How could I have forgotten about
The Padres’ Everth Cabrera and the Indians’ Asdrubal Cabrera? We gotta get those guys, too.
Your Opening Day 2011 Lineup:
Cabrera 2B
Cabrera CF
Cabrera LF
Ethier RF
Cabrera 3B
Cabrera SS
Loney 1B
Ellis C
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
you have Miguel Cabrera
playing 3B?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You may put whichever Cabrera playing those positions as you see fit.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
it would be funny
to hear Vin read that lineup.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like Miguel at 1B
just to have all sorts of Cabrera to Cabrera to Cabrera double plays.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 22, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
that's beats the hell
out of Tinkers to Evers to Chance
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not even sure he held his own
He had an error every inning (not really) and a wOBA of .303.
Hard to do much worse.
By comparison, De Jesus posted a wOBA of .371 in AA in 2008.
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Lemmerman is Range Challenged
Some of the scouting reports have Lemmerman either moving to second or third depending on where his bat plays best. Good glove, decent arm but lacks optimal range for a shorstop. Aside from Hu and Justin Sellers, we don’t really have much behind Gordon on the shortstop depth chart.
by dangerisland on Oct 22, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
My last day at Tribune is today
Kind of fitting that I read where Peter Chernin may be part of the new organization. I’ll be glad to not have to be associated with him.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Besides Sands and/or Baez
Is there anyone in the organization who could conceivably project as a future 3b? I’m thinking Late Night or someone like him. That position looks barren . . .
There is nobody else
Unless of if the 3 young 3rd basemen who played in the arizona rookie league somehow break out next year (Hunt, Kirkland, or Franco). Although that seems unlikely
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Should say unless one of the 3
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 10:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
on that note
has Sands been seen playing 3rd at all? if yes, how does he look there?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Kirkland, Hunt and Henderson
Matthew Kirkland was a highly regarded draft choice, this year, and Jeff Hunt, albeit in a small sample size, has looked promising. I would like to see Chris Henderson show some power.
by dangerisland on Oct 22, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
well kirkland and hunt are supposed
to figure in but we will see if Kirkland pans out havent been high on Hunt thought…Yount and Hendserson seem to be orginizational guys…although Yount did have hyoe but I do not see it
Are you sure?
“To keep the integrity of the paywall I can’t summarize the entire article”. Of course you can’t quote the entire article, but are you sure it’s not OK to summarize it? I would have thought that was all right as long as you kept it short and succinct without quoting actual text beyond the occasional short quote.
The problem is that the article itself is very short
It basically says “best pure hitter: Leon Landry…best fastball: Zach Lee” it gives like a sentense about each player, but I wasn’t sure how I could summarize without giving away who was selected for each “award”.
If Eric says it’s OK to post each, then I’m totally fine with that, i’m just not exactly sure what the rules are myself
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Basic rule of thumb.
Excerpts are fine with a link to the full article.
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Basic rule of thumb
never beat a woman with a stick larger than your thumb. Make sure you use your thumb and not hers, as yours is usually bigger. Too bad they never called it the rule of wrist.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
So, who want's to confess sending in this email?
Q: Saw your tweet (after Game 4 of the NLCS) that San Francisco is “totally underrated as a baseball city” and “you can’t have a better playoff atmosphere than that.” I am a Dodgers fan who HATES THE GIANTS. You didn’t really describe Silicon Valley techie dorks and fair-weather hipster grad students who miss the first two innings because their ultimate Frisbee game ran late as “underrated” baseball fans right? They couldn’t even sell out Game 3!
— Robert, Pasadena, Calif.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101022_part1
Simmons is so funny/out of touch. He gets amazed, amazed!, any time a fan base other then from Boston or New York gets fired up for a playoff game. I remember the hilarious column he wrote about how underrated Warriors fans were based on their playoff run a few years ago.
Especially given the fact that
That park is actually somewhat undersized (only holds what, 42k or something like that?)
lol
42 k is “undersized”?
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Chicks dig chairs
that’s why 56K Dodger Stadium is the sexiest in the MLB
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
was
new Yankees has like 57k doesn’t it?
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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nope
50K
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
50,086
to be exact, according to Wikipedia.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
check this
in terms of baseball stadiums that seat at least 20K, DS is the largest in the world!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact that DS holds 56K,
which is far more than 42, or the capacities of a lot of other new ballparks, and they consistently draw 50 but get reamed by Giants fans about having empty seats continues to baffle and anger me. I’m always pointing that out to the point where I want every biased Giants fan to take a freaking math class.
/rant, off
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I had some retard
try to argue with me that the Angels had better attendance because they sold out more games. I laughed.
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average is around 44 thousand I think
so not that small.41,915 is theirs.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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For a Major League stadium
Its a bit on the small side, yea. Most are in the 50k range, give or take.
Huh, not quite as small as I thought
But still, its in the bottom half. My overall point remains that we’re not talking about a huge stadium not being sold out in the middle of June, we’re talking about a… okay, fairly average-sized park not selling out for a playoff game.
Would anyone be interested in a heavily backloaded 4/76 deal for Crawford?
2011: 10M
2012: 12M
2013: 15M
2014: 17M
Annual payments of 5.5M from 2015-18 on January 1 of each year.
Ned Colleti and Frank McCourt
would be.
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I think it'll take 5 years to get him
Not much out their on the market this year
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Keeping it at a 4 year deal sounds good
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you OK with the deferred payments? That’s the part that hurts.
by silverwidow on Oct 22, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh that. I actually missed that line.
I generally okay with backloaded and deferred contracts for the Dodgers because I think the revenue is going to go way up once they can renegotiate the TV deal (seeing what the Rangers got really got me optimistic.)
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not holding my breath on that revenue actually being used to significantly up the player payroll until I’m proven wrong or the team is sold, though.
Agreed. There is a non-zero chance Frank will settle with Jamie next month and need to raise a whole bunch of money in a hurry, which he can do by extending the Fox deal (at very good terms for Fox) and getting an upfront payment. Not saying that’s what WILL happen, just that it could.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he worth more then 15 million a season though?
If so why not just make it a five year 80 million.
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I don't think it will take 19 million a year to sign him
which is what 4/76 works out to
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It might take that if you backload it so heavily.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think I was on the low end with my 6/$84 in the $100 million play GM post, but I also think $19m is on the high side. I think you are about right with $16m/year.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 22, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I personally think the tops he should get is 16
and because of the market being what it is thats what he will get. 6/84 might work if no one else wants to go beyond 5.
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I think he is going to be of the Carlos Beltran/Vernon Wells fame and never be that good after he gets paid.
More Carlos Beltran
then Vernon Wells though, although Wells bounced back this year.
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My big concern about Crawford
Is that his speed numbers (2B/3B/SB, mostly) will take a big hit outside the Trop, and his game beyond those three stats just isn’t that impressive.
Then theres the fact that he’s a speed guy thats soon to hit 30, and I just wonder how long that aspect of his game will remain intact.
I'm generally not a fan of deals for positional players longer then 3 years
So yeah, more then 5 would make me very concerned.
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Annual payments of 5.5M from 2015-18 on January 1 of each year.
I dunno. I think that’s a smart strategy for teams to employ to get the FAs they need to put them over the top as they push for a pennant. It’s what the Dodgers did and it almost worked. But the Dodgers aren’t there at this point in time, so sacrificing future flexibility now doesn’t seem like a good idea.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 22, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as I like Crawford, he really isn’t in that elite level of players. Basically his inclusion on our team is not going to take us for possible division contender to probable World Series contender.
There is nobody that would take the Dodgers from possible division contender to probable World Series contender.
I don’t even think swapping out Loney for Miggy would do that. It would help, but no one player would make such a change (IMO)
by Michael White on Oct 22, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
No one player
but a combination of players, and comebacks could make it happen. If / When they sign Kuroda we will already have a better rotation then what started out the 2010 year. Crawford in 2011 is better then any realistic expectations of Manny in 2010.
by meercatjohn on Oct 22, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
side post up top?
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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In a separate article
BA did an overview of the entire 2010 draft. Dodgers that made the cut are as follows:
Best Late Round Pick At or Below Slot Bonus:
- Shawn Tolleson
Best Pro Debut (College Players)
- Jake Lemmerman
Closest to Majors (High School Players)
- Zach Lee
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
That really should have been
an article update. Nice.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Oct 22, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah good call...
i initially didn’t because there was already a new post, but i guess it makes it easier for people who look at the site later in the day
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 22, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
guys to watch next yr
SP….Lee (obviously)…and DCone…BA says plus curveball and has low 90s FB,.
RP..Tolleson…
Ofers…lots..Landry-CF.,Baldwin-CF, Pederson-RF,Schebler-LF,Cuervas-LF
INf..Lemmerman -ss..they will keep him there as long as they can..BU if Gordon flops
BA talked about Cuervas and BDean for power..But Schebler has got some serious power as well…
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