Dodgers 2011 #1 Prospect Vote & Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 7:45 AM PDT
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Welcome to the TBLA Dodger Prospect voting for the 2010 offseason, where the TBLA community as a whole will vote on the Dodgers top prospects heading into the 2011 season. For the most part, the votes will be held daily, and I’ll set up run-offs if needed when the voting is too close. I’m not exactly sure how many prospects we will vote on this offseason, but I’m thinking somewhere between 15 and 20. To qualify as a prospect, a player must have less than 50 IP in the big leagues, or less 130 at bats. I generally do not take major league service time into account when ranking prospects, but that doesn’t really matter this year as the Dodgers don’t have any guys who are under the inning/at bat limit yet over the service time threshold.
Remember, this vote reflects the views of this community, and not my own. The summaryI have written about each player is meant to provide factual information and does not include any bias on my part. However, you can also read more about each of these players in several places, including my season in review series (AAA, AA, HiA, LoA, Pioneer League, Arizona League), and my 2010 Dodger Draft in Review.
I have selected the players to include in each vote based on the common sense, and based on the votes that have already taken place during my minor league seasons in review. For each vote, it is possible that the player that you feel is the best Dodgers prospect might not be listed. However, if that is the case, then that player didn’t have a chance to win anyways, so you are going to have to vote for one of the options I’ve provided. Heading into the later rounds, I’m definitely open for suggestions on who to add.
For this 1st round, I initially wanted on include only about 5 players, but I had a tough time cutting out any of the 7 guys that ended up on the list. Since that is the case, I’m guessing that we’ll probably have a run off unless somebody really runs away with this.
The Candidates (ages as of Opening Day, 2011):
Zach Lee (19.5 years old) RHP – 2010 1st round pick given a $5.25M bonus has solid makeup and 3 potential plus pitches. He is expected to move quickly throw the minor league system, though he signed too late to play in 2010. Baseball America’s most recent report says that he has "90-93 mph fastball that peaks at 95, with plenty of running, boring action and exquisite command". Kenley Jansen (23.5 years old) RHP – Dominated the minor leagues, and then went on to record the 4th lowest major league rookie ERA in major league history (min 25 innings) at 0.67. Still technically a rookie heading into 2011, major league batters also hit just .130 against him. Will almost certainly stay in the bullpen for the rest of his career. Dee Gordon (22.75 years old) SS – Has a .297 career minor league batting average and has 126 stolen bases over the past 2 seasons, and scouts still describe him as very raw with a ton of potential. Was one of the younger players in AA in 2010, and despite making a lot of errors at shortstop, many believe he has the tools to one day be a plus defender. Jerry Sands (23.5 years old) 1B/OF – Had a monster season in 2010 and his 35 homers were just one shy of the minor league HR title. Also hit .301 in 2010 with 18 stolen bases and a .981 OPS despite playing in 2 pitching friendly leagues. Named as the Dodgers minor league player of the year in 2010, he has the defensive versatility to play several positions. Trayvon Robinson (23.5 years old) OF – Is a switching hitting center fielder that has shown a ton of improvement over the past few years and has posted all around solid and consistent stats. He hit .300 in 2010 for the second season in a row, and was able to improve his OBP from .373 in 2009 to .404 in 2010. He also stole 38 bases in AA and had an OPS of .842 Allen Webster (21 years old) RHP – Webster has been excellent in his 3 minor league seasons, and has a career minor league ERA of 2.76 in 218.1 innings. While his strikeout rate dropped a bit in 2010, his 131.1 innings with the Loons as 20 year old almost doubled his workload from the previous year, so it was expected that he’d tire a bit. He has a low 90’s fastball that hits 94 and has a lot of sink, and his curveball is very solid. Rubby De La Rosa (22 years old) RHP – Always known for his strong fastball, De La Rosa burst onto the prospect scene in 2010 with a 2.37 ERA in 110.1 innings and won the Dodgers minor league pitcher of the year award. His season was split pretty evenly between LoA and AA, and he actually improved most of his stats upon getting promoted to Chattanooga. He was clocked at 100 mph this year and also has a power slider and a changeup that has potential.
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Voted Robinson as well
As much as I’d like to see Sands break out, his numbers really tumbled in AA after starting out so hot. Travon seems to not only be handling the higher minors, but improving his numbers as he goes (the fluky HR totals in Cali league notwithstanding).
his numbers tumbled to be better than 95% of the rest of the league.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I voted Sands
simply for his high upside bat. I can see BA giving the spot to Zach Lee (I don’t care what Sickels says). We clearly don’t have that one guy that stands out, but hopefully we keep adding to our system as opposed to subtracting.
Zach Lee. Love the polish, athleticism and projection at 19. Even if his ceiling is ‘only’ #2 starter, that’s fine with me.
I just have a hard time putting somebody who hasn’t even played a minor league game yet as the best prospect.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
From looking at this poll
I think the clear thing is that there is no single prospect that stands out as a #1. We don’t have a grade A guy right now, but we have a solid number of B+ to B- guys. The depth is encouraging, and with the continued improvement of Trayvon and the emergence of Sands, we actually have some position players to be excited about as opposed to just a bunch of arms.
Oh
and I voted for Rubby. 100mph fastballs can’t be taught, he’s still only 22 in AA, and as much as I want to vote for Sands, I want to see a repeat performance at a higher level next year before I buy in. Trayvon reminds me of a Randy Winn type, so I’m not all that high on him, Lee has yet to do anything outside of high school baseball and a bullpen mound, and I’ll never pick a relief pitcher over anyone else. If I started a team today, I would choose my starting rotation and position players first and just pickup whatever scrap heap relievers I could find. Even the good relievers are too flash-in-the-pan to be counted on long term.
The only other guy I considered picking was Allen Webster. Three years of dominance, at his age, it’s promising. I’ll be very excited if these three (Lee, Rubby, Webster) crack the September callup list in 2012.
Also, how is Lee 19.5 and just out of high school? That seems way old to me. He’s older than a slew of JuCo players.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
That’s funny because the reason I didn’t vote for Rubby is I want to see HIM repeat his performance :)
Same here
I was in love with Withrow for what he did in 2009, but Rubby didn’t post a materially better line in AA.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Rubby vs. Withrow AA Debuts
Withrow
2009 AA: 6 GS, 27.1 IP, 8.56 K/9, 3.95 BB/9, 40 GB%, .306 BABIP, 3.95 ERA, 3.68 FIP
Rubby
2010 AA: 8 GS, 51.0 IP, 6.88 K/9, 3.71 BB/9, 59 GB%, .261 BABIP, 1.41 ERA, 3.22 FIP
Yeah, I do too. but throwing 100mph he has a better chance of repeating his performance than a power hitter adjusting to better pitching. I realize Rubby is adjusting to better hitters, but even the vast majority of major league hitters struggle hitting 100mph. If he can control it, and still get his slider over for strikes, his changeup will just need to be mediocre for it to be effective.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I was wondering about that. Generally speaking, it is easier to repeat hitting performance or pitching? I think what sways me towards hitting is the injury factor with pitchers.
Pitchers get injured more often, but if they fail as starters you can try them in the ’pen. If a hitter fails, he has to play for the Pirates.
by BFDC on Oct 26, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So you’re saying he will be a reliever?
By the way, BA compared him to Pedro.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Several years of a cost-controlled Randy Winn would be pretty valuable.
I agree with above, I want to see Rubby repeat. Also, Lee getting a call-up in his second professional season is very unlikely.
I also don’t see Lee getting a call up. DLR, if he replicates his performance in the first half next year, I could see getting a mid-year promotion.
I don’t know who started that rumor about Lee possibly getting a midseason call-up, but I think it’s time to bury it once and for all. Not gunna happen.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone suggest Lee would get a midseason call-up.
The only decision I’m wondering about is if they treat Lee like Gould or Kershaw. Gould stayed in extended spring training until Ogden’s season opened. I’m hoping Lee is sent to Great Lakes right out of camp.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I was referring to the above comment suggesting he get a call-up in 2012 which would be his second pro season. That is not likely either.
heh
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Ages are as of Opening day 2011
so Lee only really just turned 19. He does have an early birthday, but he isn’t really that old for a guy coming out of high school
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
that's how old lee will be enter the season
so, i understand in USA you end high school in your 18yr old year, so next year 19.5 doesn’t seem wrong.
I was 17.5 when I graduated high school, so 19 seems like a grown ass man compared to that.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
yeah
I wasn’t 18 until after college started — barely, but still.
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Same here
but I was the 2nd youngest in my class. My best friend did not turn 17 until Jan of his senior year.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
We seem to have a trend
of 17 year old High School Seniors which I think is unusual. Now how many people were 19 in high school, I always felt that if I’d started school two years later I’d had a much more enjoyable high school experience.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of this group was born between September-November. When I was in school, the cutoff date was December 1. So if were born in December, you were “held back.”
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
we’re all late birth runts. If we were pigs, we’d be delicious baby hams
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I was born Dec. 2
and was “held back”, but waaay back in those days you could start a grade in the spring also, so that’s when I started. Then I was skipped forward, so I ended up turning 17 as a HS senior.
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by David Young on Oct 26, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
While I hate voting for a reliever as our top prospect, Kenley is the only guy that I think has a better than average chance of making an impact over the next few years. Ugh.
How the mighty have fallen.
Withrow doesn’t even make the poll for number one prospect after we voted him in that spot last year.
Indeed
Last year it was a battle for top spot between Withrow, Gordon and Elbert. 2 didn’t make the poll, and I can’t imagine Gordon holds on to his #2 spot.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I still voted Gordon as #1. He’s young, might have the best tools on this list, and has more time to develop than some of the others.
Gordon is no younger than anyone on this list.
by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Zach Lee by default
I have become so pessimistic about Dodger prospects that I see holes in everybody except him.
My Guess
Dodgers:
Kenley
AAA:
Trayvon
Sands
AA:
Rubby
Gordon
A+
Webster
Low A
Lee
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
if sands spends the whole year in aaa
how many hrs will he hit? 50?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 26, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
do you think we could see
Sands get a call up this year?
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Probably with their families, celebrating the new year.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Zach Lee is a 19-year-old with lots of cash
I’m voting hookers and eight-balls.
I was just about to make the same joke.
Lee will be making it rain on the dancers in his hometown.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/afl-thoughts-mesa-at-phoenix/
Jerry Sands was going opposite field throughout batting practice, and hit a lot of balls with topspin. I believe the .300 batting average more than the 35 home runs. Teammate Trayvon Robinson didn’t have very good bat speed, but showed more power than his ISO from this year would have you believe.
didn’t have very good bat speed
That always scares me.
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by David Young on Oct 26, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
For all we know, BP was at 10am and everyone was a little sluggish. I’m not putting too much emphasis into one non-scout’s impressions of one BP session.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
Especially a non scout
This is how I would have done that deal. TBLA writer goes to AFL and watches batting practice surrounded by 45 scouts. Watches BP, and then asks closest scout what he thinks of Trayvon. Scout replies, his bat speed looks a little slow. Because if I was to report to you that I myself felt his bat speed was slow, you’d have the right to throw me in the river. I can tell about arms, power, speed, but for a writer to pretend to know the difference between legitimate major league bat speed and AAAA bat speed, I call BS.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
One batting practice
it’s hard to tell. I was in Vero to see the Jacksonville 5. During one memorable BP session, I concluded that:
Ethier wasn’t legit. All he hit were weak grounders. Grady Little went up to him to give words of advice or encouragement and he snapped “I’m working on…!” Not sure what he was working on, but he looked awful.
Kemp looked like nothing special.
JtD had great power when he made contact, which was infrequent.
DY put on a show. Hit everything on the screws. HRs into the parking lot. Thought for sure he’d amount to something.
During Martins post power days
I’d watch him in BP and wonder if he could still hit home runs. He did as much as anyone. As did Loney. BP is fun to watch but it don’t mean squat does it? I mean the guy is throwing pitches I could still hit.
Yeah
I’m always surprised now at what people conclude from BP. On the other hand, Jason Heyward’s media hype began from BP in this year’s spring training.
With a select few players
You can just see and hear the ball flying differently off their bats, regardless of how far the ball goes.
I meant the general observation, if true
not necessarily this specific viewpoint. And your concluding phrase is right on.
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I know, if Keith Law had said that
I’d be bummed. Or Kevin Goldstein. Or John Sickels. Or Logan White. Or Mitch Webster
Exactly. I haven't voted yet
but I am tempted to vote for Zach Lee, simply because Logan White threw $5.25M at the kid. Hard to vote for a reliever number one, Sands can spill still to far below his ceiling, etc. This is a bunch with a lotta ifs.
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Zach Lee
based on ceiling, but you could take any of these and put them at number one – seven. We don’t have that stand out guy and our best possible prospect has yet to pitch a professional innings, while the guy who may end up with the best career is a relief pitcher.
Zach Lee – Best scenario top of the rotation pitcher, hits majors by 2013, worst case gets hurt playing college football.
Kenley Jansen – Best Scenario – Lee Smith, worst case Yhency Brazoban
Jerry Sands – Best Scenario – Jason Bay, worse case – John Bowker
Trayvon Robinson – Best Scenario – Austin Jackson – wurst case – Joey Gathright
Dee Gordon – Best Scenario – Pat Listach, likely – Frank Taveras
Allen Webster – Best Scenario – Middle of the rotation guy, worst case – any number of pitchers who didn’t make it
Rubby De La Rosa – Best Scenario – Middle of the rotation guy, worst case – any number of pitchers who didn’t make it
We had one of those
We called it Juan Pierre.
I think you have to go with a like minded position player not a CF
and Lofton had so much game, that if Gordon is Lofton lite then we have an all-star SS for years to come.
Speaking of which
Was the Pat Listach really “best scenario?”
Rookie year Listach
he was a major base stealer, no power, so in my opinion yes. Injuries ruined his career but I could see Gordon doing what Listach did in his rookie season. Gordon does not have the potential for the power of Reyes or Rollins so I was looking for SS who stole at least 50 bases over the last 30 years.
Player OPS+ SB Year Age 2B 3B HR BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Hanley Ramirez 145 51 2007 23 48 6 29 52 95 .332 .386 .562 .948
Barry Larkin 133 51 1995 31 29 6 15 61 49 .319 .394 .492 .886
Jose Reyes 118 56 2008 25 37 19 16 66 82 .297 .358 .475 .833
Hanley Ramirez 116 51 2006 22 46 11 17 56 128 .292 .353 .480 .833
Jose Reyes 115 64 2006 23 30 17 19 53 81 .300 .354 .487 .841
Jose Reyes 102 78 2007 24 36 12 12 77 78 .280 .354 .421 .775
Pat Listach 99 54 1992 24 19 6 1 55 124 .290 .352 .349 .701
Ozzie Smith 98 57 1988 33 27 1 3 74 43 .270 .350 .336 .686
Bert Campaneris 88 54 1976 34 14 1 1 63 80 .256 .331 .291 .622
Freddie Patek 86 53 1977 32 26 6 5 41 84 .262 .320 .368 .688
Freddie Patek 83 51 1976 31 19 3 1 50 63 .241 .318 .306 .624
Bert Campaneris 83 52 1972 30 25 2 8 32 88 .240 .278 .325 .603
Jose Reyes 81 60 2005 22 24 17 7 27 78 .273 .300 .386 .687
Frank Taveras 77 58 1976 26 8 6 0 44 79 .258 .321 .297 .618
Ozzie Smith 71 57 1980 25 18 5 0 71 49 .230 .313 .276 .589
Frank Taveras 70 70 1977 27 20 10 1 38 71 .252 .306 .331 .637
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Smith would probably be waaaaay bold, given Gordon’s propensity for not playing defense. As long as we are getting more than one season of it, I’ll take rookie-year Listach.
I think he means
After failing as a minor leaguer, he goes on to football where he gets hurt.
That would be the worst case scenario for him.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Those of us who know how to spell
probably aren’t up this early.
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It's Rubby De La Rosa For #1
I disagree with Phil’s idea that middle-of- the-rotation starter is his best case scenario. There’s ace potential there. His fastball was clocked at 102 MPH in a Double A game, and looking at the game logs I see it was a game in which he pitched seven full innings, so he obviously wasn’t going “all out” reliever-style. Kenley Jansen couldn’t do that, or Broxton. In short, De La Rosa has the best arm in the organization. People are making all kinds of bad inferences from the fact he doesn’t strike out a ton of guys, but that is just another example of not taking a close enough look at the reality behind the stats. I watched enough of his Double A starts on Gameday to see that one of the POSITIVES about him is that he keeps the ball low. That’s the whole difference between succeeding in Double A like De La Rosa and getting killed like Withrow, who couldn’t keep the ball down. A batter is going to make a lot of weak contract with a fastball low in the zone. When Withrow wasn’t striking guys out he was giving up doubles and home runs.
Gordon #1 ..there are 3 guys very close..
I voted Gordon as#1..He had solid season for a double jump. JSands would be my #2…and Zlee is #3. Hard for me to vote #1 for a guy who has not thrown a pitch yet? Although he is my #1 pitcher.Zlee next yr will probably be #1
BTW…Webster’s upside is possibly a #1 SP not #3sp…he has 2 + pitches (FB and CHup) and an occasional +curveball.
2+ pitches = spot starter. 3+ pitches = big league career. usually, if a guy can’t develop a consistent third pitch, he becomes a reliever. There have only been a small handful of guys who have had good careers as FB/CH guys out of the pen, two off the top of my head being John Franco and Trevor Hoffman, but they are few and far between. I’m just hoping Webster is able to keep progressing and is able to join our rotation in 2.5-3 years.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
Webster
Webster already has 3 pitches…2 are plus and other pitch is an occasionally + (curve) so technically he is a #2SP potential…..He put on 15# last year and tired a bit towards end of yr..
Rubby has great number but needs to devlop his offspeed pitches a bit more..
The Key Word Is "Potential," Phil
It is an estimate of ceiling, not a prediction a pitcher will attain it.
I like to keep my ceilings realistic
and not go with the 1 -5 % chance of something like that happening. Just saying Rubby or Webster have a chance of being middle of the rotation starters is being quite optimistic in my opinion.
Phil, I Think You Misunderstand the Word "Ceiling" Used In A Baseball Context.
It is about possibility, not probability. You said “best case scenario” in you post above that I replied to. A best case scenario absolutely can be something that has only a 1 to 5% chance of happening.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 26, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
cliff lee
Funny note in usa today about the yankees fans treating Cliff Lee’s wife like crap when she was in town for the world series. Perhaps a billion dollars will make her change her mind?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/2010-10-25-cliff-lee-rangers_N.htm
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 26, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions
If she doesn't want to be made fun of
she should mix in a salad
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
yeah looks like a run off will certainly happen
just a matter of figuring out when everyone has voted to start the run off
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
It is very impressive, and also depressing, how opinion is so divided amongst the 6 players. I voted for Kenley, not because I know anything, but because it seems to me that the ranking should be some combo of the three factors — ceiling, likelihood to reach ceiling, and proximity to the major leagues. Kenley’s already in the majors and he is probably pretty close to his ceiling. The only mark against him is that his ceiling, as a reliever, is low. Still, with small and/or big question marks about all the other guys, I comfortable putting Jansen #1.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Sands
Because I am contrary!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
watching Jackass 3
for the 5th time.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
also from that Fangraphs link I posted above
The honorable mentions in batting practice are Andrew Lambo and Austin Romine. While they stand at different sides of the plate, both came off as dead pull hitters in BP, but with power. Romine has better bat speed, Lambo has a prettier and smoother swing, both did a nice job.
Has anyone seen
that American Restoration show? I caught it last night. Fun stuff.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
did you see the part with the bees?
“Who likes Honey?” (kid raises his hand) LOL.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
so many sports that could apply to
please specify
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
that was my guess
but you know what they say about assuming.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted Robinson
Although I’m going to have a tough decision on most of these because like many of you I can find flaws with all these guys, for a numebr 1 prospect I want a guy that can play up the middle or be an ace, or look like a top impact bat. So I went with Robinson since he plays up the middle and is close to the majors. The guy has made a ton of progress with his game and has done basically what we need Gordon to do. Turn that rawness into actual in game skills.
Hopefully his strikeouts are a product of him taking lots of pitches looking to get a walk or a hitters count. If he can play average+ CF and OPS .800 with a good OBP that’s pretty valuable. Might not get him any plaques or trophies but that’s a damn good player to have for way below market rates.
As for Lee, I too have some reservations about putting a guy we’ve seen nothing of professionally at the number 1 spot. Gordon is still too raw and I think he’s a lot closer to not having a big league career than he is to being some sort of Jimmy Rollins. Sands I’m getting a AAAA guy kind of vibe from but I hope I’m wrong. De La Rosa I want to see more of that this year, but damn he might be my number 2. Webster seems more like a middle of the rotation innings eater than front line impact guy, which is fine and all but I want more out of my #1 prospect. Jansen is the only guy on this list that I’m sure will have a big league career, but we already know he’s a reliever through and through.
As voting continues
Rubby drops off the pace a little, but the other five guys all in double-digit percentages.
Kenley is #1 by a small margin at the moment, but I believe the runoff will hurt him. If you aren’t comfortable putting him #1, I would guess that you’re also not comfortable putting him #2 and some other candidate would get your vote. But maybe I’m wrong about that.
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I imagine Dee Gordon
hitting F5 like a rat on crack, muttering to himself, “Twelve percent? Twelve?! Fuck.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don't see how you can put a reliever as your #1 prospect
Part of the term “prospect” means potential and the potential of a starter (even a #4/#5) or position player is so much more valuable.
Kenley has a great arm and in just a year of pitching, he was trotted out in the big leagues and put on show. That is great and I am excited to have him in our ‘pen. That said, if there wasn’t the potential to be a mid-front of the line starter with guys like Rubby, Withrow, etc., they could be put in the ’pen and possibly be just as successful. With those guys, their fallback is a middle reliever.
The thing that I don’t like about Jansen as the #1 prospect is if even one of the other guys reaches their ceiling, then they are automatically a lot more valuable than Jansen.
Yes, but the point is none of these guys has an above-average shot to reach his ceiling. I want Sands to become Jason Bay, but will he? Probably not. Jansen, right now, could close in the major leagues. (How good he’d be is another matter altogether . . .)
With most of these guys
Even if they don’t reach their “ceilings” they will still be more valuable than a reliever.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that one of those other guys approaches their potential, thus making them more valuable than Jansen.
If the vote was Jansen vs. The Field, then sure, I’d take the field.
But it’s not. You gotta pick a guy. And the chances are too great for any specific guy, except Jansen, that there will be a flameout.
I daresay that nobody who voted for Jansen was happy about it or thinks it was a slam dunk.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Robinson because I like the upward trend in his stats, plus his ability to play an above-average CF. That said, I think there is enough to like about Robinson, Sands, or De LaRosa to think that they will be contributors, which is pretty valuable.
BFDC’s quote above…
they could be put in the ’pen and possibly be just as successful. With those guys, their fallback is a middle reliever
is interesting. I think I could support RDLR with that in mind.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
But he has a freaking 14.7 K/9 ratio! In the big leagues!
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Well you are seeing a lot of people performing all kinds of mental gymnastics with their number 1 vote, myself included. We see a lot of people saying well I’m not voting a reliever number 1 or I’m not voting a guy whose hasn’t even played yet professionally number 1. So we’re seeing people discounting guys they might consider better prospects because of whatever semantics. I think Lee ends up second or third, and so does Jansen if he doesn’t take number 1.
Jansen
Hard to vote a potential closer as your #1 guy???
maybe he is #5 prospect or so?
Only if there are studs in the system. This system is really kind of depressing if you think about it.
For the first time in a while, I can’t even write up a future dream lineup of homegrown players. I still like what we have, mind you.
This would never happen but here. Not that depressing if dreams came true:
Gordon SS
Robinson CF
Sands 1B
Ethier RF
Kemp CF
Garcia/Landry LF
C ?
DeJesus 2B
SP Kershaw
SP Billz
SP Lee
SP Rubby
SP Webster
CL Jansen
RP Kuo
RP Withrow
RP Tolleson
RP Fodder
RP Fodder
Bench
BCG
Lemmerman
Mitchell
Russell
Thanks
I keep trying but get bogged down at 3b and C. Who is your 3b, btw? Your outfield excites me :)
I just realized I had two CF
so I guess trade one of them for a 3B since we have absolutely no one!
Yeah that’s the problem. Jansen is the only guy on this list that I feel guaranteed to have big league success (if for no other reason than he already has) but it just feels shitty to look at our system and think a damn reliever might be our best prospect. I need to hit up HK for some gin.
I’ve always got an open bottle. Clink!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm more of a tequila guy
But I’ll take whatever is available.
Just a note, Mike
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by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Dreaming...
Well here’s what I see if everything goes right with the guys we have, the pie in the sky never going to happen scenario:
Robinson-lead off centerfielder with .370+ OBP and .400+ slugging
Gordon: Insane speed leads to high BABIP ever year, becomes like a healthy Jose Reyes
Sands: Middle of the order hitter mashes 30+ bombs a year
De La Rosa: Frontline starter
Withrow: Frontline starter
Martin: Frontline starter
Webster: Best 3rd starter in the league
Lee: Frontline starter
Jansen: Shut down closer
If we can get one of the pitchers to pan out as a frontline guy and one of the hitters to pan out, and a couple relievers out of the rest of the starters I’d consider this batch a huge success
Off topic
but Tuesday night college football? WTF?
I mean, good for Boise State getting the exposure, but it’s Tuesday freaking night.
High school Fridays, college Saturdays, NFL Sundays (and Monday night, I guess). Get off my lawn!
The college Saturdays idea
went out the window long ago
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I can get on board the Thursday night effort I suppose, but Tuesday just feels weird to me.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd make a crack
about it being hard on the undergrads, but if I ever find out my accountant went to Boise St., I’m firing my accountant
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone knows there aren’t any lawns in the high desert.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Oct 26, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get off my Pebbles!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Get off my neatly arranged succulents!
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
If you live in Arkansas
it’s get off my tire-swing!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Get off my.....
is there anyone on my lawn? the grass is so tall I can’t tell….
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
warm out today, warm yesterday. Even warmer today.
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
“mommy, I want a mullet!”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
In costa mesa
my neighbor actually had a car on blocks for years. People like that are why nice people like me get saddled with association fees.
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At the Victorville Peaches, they just say
get off.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Who cares!
Basketball starts today! Lakers!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tonight is Fernando night, then Laker night.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Fernando is set to DVR
looking forward to it. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
but the ring ceremony. when have you ever seen the Lakers get rings before?
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I have only seen it 6 previous times in my lifetime.
The Fernando doc is at 5pm anyway, so there is no conflict.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I forgot to set the DVR!
Fortunately there is a repeat on ESPN2 at 8 .
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by David Young on Oct 26, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Too much displaced Chavez Ravinian talk?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking of Fernando
did you see the latest Dodger Thoughts? I voted for Fernando
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
My vote
I believe that uniform number retiring should be a rare honor, bestowed only upon a select few. Handing out too many of them dilutes the honor. HOF as the sole criterion is a way to do that and it is not biased by the organization. I voted to keep things the way they are now.
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by David Young on Oct 26, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps so
But I like the short list. Just like the Lakers retired unis.
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Truth be told
I can be talked into retiring no numbers ever. Just honor the players. Funny, but the sport where players are most identified by their number – because you can’t see their faces – is football, but they don’t retire numbers. When you think of a baseball player or a basketball player, is their number the first image you see? Fernando – eyes looking heavenward or unleashing a screwball, or “34”.
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They can't retire them because there are too damn many players on the team.
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Yeah, if football retired numbers
Then that guy would have to be called Chad Ochocincoochocinco.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
I would argue basketball players are far more well known for their numbers, because in football most teams have a player with the same number as you, due to the fact that you have to wear a number within a certain range based on your position, QBs possibly being the exception.
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how many current NBA players
wear #23?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Lebron James?
Don’t like all of them do it as a tribute to Jordan?
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or they go with 24 as a direct threat to Jordan
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
he switched to #6 and proclaimed that the NBA should retire #23 like MLB did with Jackie. Comparing Jordan to Jackie seems misguided though. Have any other leagues retired a number for all teams?
he switched to #6 because he was tired of Kobe beating him in jersey sales.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I
. Have any other leagues retired a number for all teams?
Not that I know of, but Favre is retiring soon so….
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Only league Brett Favre is getting his number retired in
is the John Madden Fantasy Camp League
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I understand that
I never been a big fan of player numbers anyway, and I agree the name is what should honored not so much the number.
I hate to like anything Dallas Cowboys
But the ring of honor is pretty boss. Just put the names up somewhere.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
i understand that, and agree to an extent
I just think Fernando meant so much to the team and the community that an exception should be made for him. JMWO
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That happened in a very emotional moment and time
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I figured
I was only 4 and not a Dodger fan growing up, so I assume and hope the situation won’t arise again, especially because of the nature of player/coach turnover in the game today.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Holy shit
I had no idea that happened. That’s bullshit.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sooooo
There was a legit tornado warning for Vanderbilt’s campus. There were sirens and everything. NOT COOL. I had to sit in a basement wondering if the whole building was going to fall apart. Of course, everyone around us was joking but…ugh. It made me anxious.
No tornado though. Sad face…that might have been fun to be part of just to say I’ve done it…though they did tell me if I were at home, I should go in my bathtub with a mattress over my head. I can’t imagine how that would work with Bodhi.
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by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
:(
The lady who told me that was my financial aid adviser!! If I can’t trust her, WHO CAN I TRUST?!
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Did they also tell you
to take off your clothes and take pictures of yourself so you could prove tornado injuries?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
YES
THE DUTCH RUDDER LIVES
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I’m not giving that one up. It’s too good to die on the vine. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like I’ve actually contributed something of stubstance to TBLA. Finally. :)
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Your presence each day
adds a bit of Southern charm and grace. Now, go get a couple Blue Ribbons and join me to watch some football
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
ack
PBR?! BLEH
I’ll watch football provided you’re ok with me asking stupid questions
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What do they drink down there.
sure, no question is stupid.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
we'll see if the mods let this stand
Having someone complete the act of masturbation by pulling up and down on the forearm, while the male holds his own penis.
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Right?
Which is why I decided to post it.
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there’s no delicate way to proceed from here
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we left delicate behind at the last exit
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Yes
Someone else is moving your arm.
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and no
I don’t see the appeal
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It’s for the man so lazy, he cannot even be bothered to move his own arm.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Right but at that point
why not just have the partner do the deed?
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you guys need to see Zac and Miri Make A Porno
it’s just like giving yourself a stranger.
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No its not
its related maybe, but the stranger I would imagine would be a completely different experience. You could combine the two, but then again SOMEONE ELSE IS IN THE ROOM. JUST DO IT ALREADY.
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What is “giving yourself a stranger”?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
You numb your hand first
by sitting on it.
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Honestly, who has the time?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone actually does these things
just like a blumpkin. No I won’t tell you what a blumpkin is.
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I'm pretty much certain
that at least one rapper, rockstar, athlete or actor has received a blumpkin at some point.
where I'm at
as someone who has assisted in such events, is that I’ve been given to believe that all variations pale to the original…or perhaps I’m just a subpar assistant
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
whosa whatnow?
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Think of the pottery wheel scene in Ghost, with roles reversed, and no pottery wheel.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
And yet, still, somehow: clay gets everywhere.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats a waste of an encounter
with Demi Moore then, if the best you can pull off is the Dutch Rudder.
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Then you aren't getting a Rudder either.
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Think of it as a penalty to Demi Moore for having that haircut.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
The obvious goal here is to print out K signs for Jansen strikeouts, with the two arms making the two crooked parts of the K.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, if we have any photoshop wizards and/or graphic artists here, this would be cool. Hint hint.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked this one:
like he’s steering the dick boat into orgasm harbor
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Was that one of the outtakes
at the end of Grumpy Old Men? You know, where Burgess Meredith delivers one filthy line after another constructed just like that.
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no, they do drink PBR down here
I just refuse to drink it.
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Now that we know
what a dutch rudder is, who is the Dodger Dutch Rudder?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
The man who played for Netherlands in the WBC
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Somehow
I don’t see Steve Lyons using that nickname on a broadcast
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
He is the one guy who would use it though!
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of announcers
I haven’t read Ken Levine’s book, but I know of one passage about when he worked with Jon Miller on the Orioles. Miller said, to cap a home run call, “Hello!” and was talking/joking on the air with Levine about using that as his new home run call.
Levine deadpanned, “I think it will be so popular, people will use it to answer their phones,” and apparently Miller was so mad he didn’t speak to him the rest of the night. That is awesome. I need to ask him about that next year.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's awesome
Miller should have congratulating him for that witty remark.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Netherlands plays baseball?
I just thought they plugged dykes
/I’m here all week, try the veal
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
“Like that kid in the story, the boy that stuck his finger in the duck.”
“Dike. It’s another word for dam.”
“Oh. Okay, that story makes a lot more sense now.”
my new best friend he is
Xander: No, really. Why should you guys have all the fun? We wanna be part of the hate.
Oz: Just so we’re clear, you guys know you’re nuts, right?
Read more: http://www.buffyguide.com/episodes/gingerbread/gingerbreadquotes.shtml#ixzz13VKfSzoy
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is still my favorite quote
CORDELIA: “Well, does looking at guns make you wanna have sex?”
XANDER: “I’m seventeen. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex.”
So when Kenley sucks
Does he become the “dutch oven”?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I have it on good authority
that Danny Thomas enjoyed cold Karls
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I love the dutch oven
I cook all my big stews in it
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
and all Kenley wanted was a word or photograph to keep at home.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No but
Honeycutt becomes his dutch uncle.
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As long as he doesn't become an Uncle Tom
Milton Bradley wouldn’t like that.
I'm such a clown.
I forgot my carpal tunnel wrist glove things at home… again. Maybe I should just go back and get them at lunch.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
See kids
Knocking on too much wood will give you carpal tunnel.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I usually do refer to it as my “fucking carpal tunnel.”
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
He was pimping Trayvon as #1 at the end of the season, I think.
by silverwidow on Oct 26, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Kenley
Remember wen he said he could become a starter!
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i voted for sands
but i can see it being trayvon too….
But no way in hell can it be kenley jansen a reliever…
BTW
if any Baseball Toaster DTers can remember Jon’s post when commenters picked their own uniform numbers, he’s trying to find it now back in those archives, any help would be appreciated.
http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/860522.html
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That is pretty amazing
did you save it.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I remembered I chose 86, because I thought I should be 86’d.
So I put “86 Humma Kavula” into google and it was the first link.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Even more impressive
That list is like looking at your high school year book and going I remember that guy.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
I never got a highschool yearbook. My senior year I went around with a notebook for people to sign. More than a few people wrote, “This would be weird if it were anyone but you.”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Whats sad
is even at 24, I look through my yearbook for someone who has come up in conversation, and have no clue who they are even after looking at their picture.
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oh jeez
i think i remember taking a back seat to this conversation. i was never big on numbers. hahaha god this is so weird to look at.
I would choose 11
that was my number for soccer growing up
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I probably would have gone with 5. It was my number in basketball in middle school. It was also Robert Horry’s number. When I played basketball, I sucked too much to be a star, but I wanted to be a contributing role player, so Horry eventually getting 5 worked for me.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
bh, are you sending to jon? or should I post on DT?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I emailed the link to him
but you can post it there too
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
00 is awesome
what’s to be embarrassed about. Xeifrank is 228, now that is an embarrassing number.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure theres a very specific reason why
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Read the thread. Xei’s explanation of why he chose 228 is there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Incident
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Dang, how stupid do I now feel.
Maybe I’ll just delete my comment thus sending all of this into the netherworld of never happened
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
where it can make friends with USC’s 2004 National Title : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess “D4P” wasn’t the most popular during the Toaster/DT era?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I never thought he was that big of a dick
was it just because he was also a Phillies fan?
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D4p was the biggest Depo fan
and was fun on DT until they canned Depo then the act got old. He and Greg Brock were like Maddz and Josie, they carried some DT conversations late into the night and were fun to read.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I am alarmed that I am linked to someone who is categorized as a dick.
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In a banter sense
he got on well with Greg Brock and they had some awesome bantering sessions. For the record I rarely agreed with anything Greg or D4P had to say about baseball but they were entertaining in their own right. Greg then left because he actually did find a teaching job, and D4P just became obnoxious to me.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked him. I think he liked taking a contrarion stance on most things even if he didn’t really believe it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
He didn't bother me that much either
I found some of his positions sensible (he was the only guy who agreed with me when I said I’d rather have Burrell, Dunn & Uggla instead of Manny and Loney.)
He’s since said some things that ruffled my feathers.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I got 24
and a bunch of you got numbers so high your surely headed for minor league camp.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Almost 300 hundred comments
and for the most part have stayed on topic. That might be a record since Josie/Maddz joined us:)
Of course
I haven’t said anything on topic. Erm, Rubby De La Rosa is a fine base man
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t said anything on topic. I don’t really know the prospects except what gets repeated often. Lindblom sucked. Gordon doesn’t have a frame. Elbert hasn’t done anything. Sands seems good. Zach Lee has nothing against him.
Yeah, I know nothing.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Kenley Jansen is responsible for those that haven't
Maybe he shouldn’t be the top prospect
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The problem I have with the voting
is that there is no clear criteria. We are just letting everyone come up with their own willy nilly.
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I chose to vote for him once
because I knew my vote didn’t matter and John Kerry had the personality of a sponge. True story.
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I remember as a kid, watching Tiny Toon Adventures and Buster Bunny was buying a bike. The bike salesman was a total used car salesman type, and as Buster drove off the lot, the bike fell apart. He goes “where’s Nader when you need him” As a kid, I had no idea what was going on
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
i remember that. I wondered who that was as well.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted
for “None of the above” /brewsters millions
(I really voted for Sands)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it also seems difficult
to compare a pitcher vs a position player. A position player can impact the game EVERY game, whereas a pitcher can only do so every 5 games.
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But in that fifth game, a starting pitcher almost always impacts the game far more than any other player.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
a pitchers job is to win the game
that’s why they get the W
/Pick your analyst of choice
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
that's the fune of this vote
since everyone has a difference of opinons. but at the end somebody has to be the community’s best prospect even though everyone defines best prospect differently
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I find it funny on the comment regarding Jansen.
Sure relief pitchers in general are not worth position players, but people we are talking Kenley Fucking Jansen, who has the potential to be incredibly good not just some run of the mill relief pitcher. Plus he speaks a gazillion languages, and will be the best clubhouse guy among all clubhouse guys because not only is he smart and likable, he’s huge and can just pick up Dee Gordon in one hand, Pedroza in the other, slam their pineapple together until he gets their attention.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You made me want to change my vote
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OK
6-foot-6, clean mechanics, still improving his offspeed stuff despite a 13.7 K/9, only 23.5 by Christmas.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus he can be a 3rd string catcher
isn’t he batting 1.000?
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Jansen
but he has also been pitching for ~15 months of his life, and this will be his first offseason that his body has to react to throwing a bunch of innings (72 this year). Also, 5 walks per 9.
Not saying I didn’t consider him for #1, just pointing out that painting isn’t without blemishes.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
But
back acne is a more tell-tale sign.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
As of right now
He has less blemishes than the rest.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
about Dee Gordon
I might be compleately off base with this, but is Elvis Andrus kinda what we’re hoping he can be? I just remember hearing about Andrus from Ranger fans when Young was asked to move to 3B and some weren’t too keen on it, didn’t think he was ready.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
I hope Dee Gordon will be better than Elvis Andrus
But they’re pretty much clones, except Elvis is playing in the WS now. Remember the Jimmy Rollins and Reyes comparisons? lol
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Elvis is young enough he can beat those comparisons.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
20 year old starting SS in major leaue baseball
have a decent history of being good for a long long time.
Player PA G Year Age AB SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
Edgar Renteria 691 154 1997 20 617 32 15 .277 .327 .340 .668 *6
Robin Yount 690 161 1976 20 638 16 11 .252 .292 .301 .593 *6
Alex Rodriguez 677 146 1996 20 601 15 4 .358 .414 .631 1.045 *6
Elvis Andrus 541 145 2009 20 480 33 6 .267 .329 .373 .702 *6
Starlin Castro 506 125 2010 20 463 10 8 .300 .347 .408 .755 *6
Alan Trammell 504 139 1978 20 448 3 1 .268 .335 .339 .675 *6
Jack Heidemann 495 133 1970 20 445 2 4 .211 .265 .292 .557 *6
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by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep...21 year old SS with 60+ walks, 1901-2010
Rk Player Year BB Age Tm Lg G PA
1 Elvis Andrus 2010 64 21 TEX AL 148 674
2 Arky Vaughan 1933 64 21 PIT NL 152 655
3 Whitey Witt 1917 65 21 PHA AL 128 530
4 Rabbit Maranville 1913 68 21 BSN NL 143 659
5 Donie Bush 1909 88 21 DET AL 157 676
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Generated 10/26/2010.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
is Rabbit Maranville
why Vin loves to say “A rabbit on the basepaths” when a speedy guy is on?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's because
rabbits are speedy and quick.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
they can also
bust a rap pretty well
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
If he can play defense like Elvis Andrus we'd all be happy
deal is, Elvis was playing in the major leagues at the age of 20.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but I don’t like hoping someone will be like someone who is younger, playing two levels above.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
good point
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Except unlike Furcal
who cheated to be 20 in the major leagues, Elvis really was 20 in the major leagues.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
From spring 2002
per CNNSI:
Furcal, the NL rookie of the year in 2000 who missed the latter half of last season after having surgery on his shoulder, is actually 23, not 21 as he had previously claimed.
Furcal’s correct age was revealed when he experienced visa difficulties leaving the Dominican Republic. Further background checks were made because of increased scrutiny by U.S. officials following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, combined with new documentation requirements by the commissioner’s officer, Wren said.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Thing was
everyone knew he had lied about his age, it was common knowledge but MLB refused to do anything about it. It pissed me off to no end that he kept getting credit for doing things at his that he wasn’t. Why this bothered me I have no idea.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
In the end TBLA sucked last year
under my guidance, so hopefully Brandon does a better job of getting you to vote for the correct player. Fuck you Elbert and Withrow.
I thought that was Eric’s Ethier sidebar
/ducks
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In fairness to Eric, Mister Streaky was just gonna fall off that pace anyway and finish just about where he ended up anyway.
Here, have some gin.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't
stalk Andre all year just to have you insult him
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
the pinky incident changed a world championship Dodger season into this pos quagmire.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
even if he was going to be streaky, I doubt it would have gotten as bad as it did.
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apparently
he was dealing with more than just the pinky.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You are like Fox Mulder, only instead of a UFO on that I WANT TO BELIEVE poster, it is a picture of Andre Ethier putting a weak grounder into play.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If only Ethier borrowed that hand chamber from David Duchovny.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping it'd be more like this one
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
“Is this good to go?”
“Yeah, but I’d practice on a hot dog first, otherwise you might rip your dick off.”
/something something dark side
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
NERD ALERT
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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That might come in handy
when you want to give yourself a stranger
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by nolander on Oct 26, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Here, have a Mexican Coke.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
he prefers
Dr. Pepper
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
great line from a bad movie
“And I don’t want to work at Home Depot!”
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
what movie?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Rat Race with an ensamble cast of Seth Green, Whoopi Goldberg, Jon Lovitz – who uttered that line and also played the radio in Brave Little Toaster
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a bad movie
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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I've seen that movie
funny, but not overly special. Brave Little Toaster, that takes me back.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I know right
I must have watched that movie a thousandy times, back when I still said things like thousandy and decembuary.
“It’s a B-movie, it’s a B-movie show.”
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta love how Disney
can make a movie about anything. How do you pitch Brave Little Toaster anyway?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
didn't know that
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If Disney makes a movie from scratch
it’s cause Pixar did it
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
that
is so true.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking of Pixar
I want Incredibles 2.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
yes please
but we’ve gotta get through Monsters Inc 2, and Cars 2 first, since those are already in production
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure
my nephews will be in line for Cars 2. not so sure about Monsters, but they will probably see it. Cars is like crack to them though.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor has it
that one of the girls at Sunnyside Daycare (Toy Story 3) is an all growd up version of Boo
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i have yet
to see Toy Story 3.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Boooo. Its pretty fantabulous. I think it was my favorite out of all of them.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
not saying I don't want to
I just don’t get to the theater often. I didn’t see 2 until it came out on dvd.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont blame you. i almost hate going to the theater because its so damn expensive now.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
tell me about it
I offered to take my bro, sis-in-law, and younger bro to see Jackass 3D. $58. sonofabitch.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. Its $17 to see a 3d movie at Century City in L.a, which is closest to me. Thankfully my dads gets these special tickets at the Landmark for $8 and they are good for regular or 3d movies. My girl and I say Toy Story for the same price of 1 ticket at Century City. Crazy.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Find a dollar theater
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Go in the morning
AMC has $6 morning movies on the w/e. Go to lunch afterwards.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Cars 2 seems like a waste
Cars was their weakest to me by far. Give me Bugs Life 2 instead, although Bugs Life 2 was their 2nd weakest.
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merchandising
where da really money from da movie is made
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Bleh
Cars was just so ho hum to me. Nothing special about it, simply not up to the Pixar standards.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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It was by far the weakest Pixar
because it was the most predictable and because the bar is so damn high.
How about The Lion King?
The influences are classic (Hamlet, anyone?), but the story is original, is it not?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
"influenced"
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
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I remember watching Kimba in the late 1960s
on UHF channel 52, KBSC. I think it came on right before Speed Racer.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The smart kids
got out of school earlier! ;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Nope
total rip job
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ok total rip job is not true
but super heavily influenced would be.
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I voted for Zach Lee
but I really hope everyone on this list is in the major leagues and contributing before Zach Lee is ready to ascend to his crown. I’m rooting for them in this particular order:
Jerry Sands – Give us what Loney could not, power, patience
Trayvon Robinson – Give us what Kemp could not, energy energy energy, home town boy makes good
Kenley Jansen – The season of Gagne without the asterik
Rubby De La Rosa – I’d really like to see a starter hit 100 MPH that induces ground balls. Brandon Webb on steroids.
Webster – long shot draft pick is making big money long after Ethan Martin has blown his on Lambo’s stash.
Dee Gordon – Really is the next coming of Ozzie Smith.
Hmmm
Would you rather have Sands at 1B instead of 3B?
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I have zero expectations that Sands can play 3rd base
I have seen many 3rd baseman become 1st baseman and occasionally outfielders but I don’t recall any 1st/outfielder becoming a 3rd baseman. Pete Rose was originally a 2nd baseman so he does not count. Catcher moving to 3rd do not count. Anyone have any comps?
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of got irked when I first heard the Dodgers were going to give Sands reps at third base. He may be wonder boy 2010, but learning a third key infield position is too much. I prefer him in the outfield.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Canuck
We’re looking at you, by the way.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Without a minor league play index, good luck finding that.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric Hinske
played exclusively 1B at age 20, split time evenly between 1B/3B at age 21, then was a 3B at age 22 and 23 in the minors
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he's even played an inning at 3B in AFL
If he’s not getting innings there in the AFL when he was already forced to split time at 1B with Freeman, there is no way they are seriously considering him to be a 3B.
OF or 1B is fine with me if he can be a legit 3,4, or 5 hitter.
DeJon Watson was quoted
as saying that Sands would work 3B in the instructionals and not play there in the AFL games, where he is the taxi squad member. It does seem like quite the longshot that he can play 3B.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Isn’t it worth the look though. We literally have no one capable of handling the position in the system and it is pretty tough spot to fill via trade or FA. If early indications are that he can’t handle it then we are no worse off.
Worth a look
if they think his feet / hands can handle it. Just saying I’m not counting on anything, but certainly it is worth a look.
Joe Foy
is a weird case…
Age 19: 1B (89 games) and catcher (22 games)
Age 20: SS (91 games) and 1B (20 games)
Age 21-22: 3B
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Shea Hillenbrand
Age 20: mostly 1B, some SS
Age 21: split between 1B/3B
Age 22: mostly catcher, some 1B, little 3B
Age 23: mostly catcher, some 1B
Age 24, mostly 1B, some 3B
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Bill James had an OF to 3B conversion discussion in his 1986 Abstract
and how it is almost always a failure. The topic came up because of the Pedro Guerrero experiment. I’ll quote it once I find it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
There was brief talk back in the day of converting Billy Ashley to 3B
Yea… that one died quick.
Ah hah, so that's why Keith Law or whoever thinks Sands = Ashley
:-/
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Tell me
Would you say that I have a plethora of potential #2/#3/#4 starters?
LOL
one of my favorite movies. I can probably quote it verbatim if I were watching it. “Infamous, is when you’re more than famous, this guy El Guapo, he’s not just famous, he’s In-famous.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see it. I’d be happy with a #4 starter out of him.
He’s already old (came from college) and got shelled in AA. Just evening out his performance to be a spot starter would be a good start.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
On the other hand he did very well in a very tough offensive environment
and has only 1 1/2 of professional experience. While he came out of college, he was not a full time pitcher so he was also raw.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
IVdown is gonna be pissed
that he can’t vote for Kyle Russell here.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It's okay
both Iron and Steel were up in the commodities market today, he’ll be pleased.
If that didn’t tickle your funny bone, I’ve got some shares in orange juice to sell you
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
just out of curiousity
how long do you take to write these prophecies of doom?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Or he could be the
next Andrew Miller or Greg Miller
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Miller never shown the command needed to be a starter in the majors while he pitched minor league ball. And Andrew Miller never shown it either in the majors.
Yet both started out just like Zach Lee
before they threw a professional pitch as a highly regarded prospect.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
From what I remember of their profiles, they don’t throw like Zach Lee does.
Also, both Millers throw from the left side, while Lee throws from the right side.
Greg Miller was not a wild ass lefty until he had his arm problems
and they dicked around with his arm angles. Unless you think walking 41 in 115 innings as an 18 year old in AA constitutes being a wild ass lefty.
The point however is that quite a few number one pitching prospects will fail to make a successful major league career. The game is hard and to get from the point of being drafted to the major leagues is a tough road to climb.
that
was not an answer to my joke of a question.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It's okay Tommy
I got it, and appreciated it for it’s potential. Then I traded it for DeLino DeShields.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
well
we do need a good 2B
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
and
good to know my joke has a HOF career ahead of it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Cleveland Indians HOF
not much competition. That’s like saying your joke is on the Down Syndrome Honor Roll
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I was thinking Bob Feller and Jack Parkman were the only ones.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
For a time, the team’s nickname was the Naps, in his honor. Yeah, Nap Lajoie could play a little.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
When he was the manager.
For a time, wasn’t it relatively common for the team to be nicknamed for the manager? The Brooklyn team was known as the Robins when Wilbert Robinson was the manager.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I hope the Washingtons beat the hell out of the Bochys.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
by Pure Azure on Oct 26, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember this
in over 50 years of being the Los Angeles Dodgers – only one player, Don Sutton, has been enshrined as only being a LA Dodger (Lasorda would also be inducted as a manager of the LA Dodgers).
If we claim Piazza, then easily the Giants can claim Cepeda, McCovey, Marichal and Perry. Of course, Bonds would also be on that list if not for the PEDs.
i was
comparing it to Pedro, but I’ll continue to read the comments.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Zach Lee
is going to write the next Oye Como Va?
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
break his leg
covering home plate when the runner at 3rd regresses back to his high school days and remembers Lee was a quarterback.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
as bad as that was
i still crack up at the gif of Adam Dunn running him over. “I think I keeled him.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Jansen
I’m surprised to see how much support he’s getting. For all the hang wringing about not wanting to vote for Lee with no professional experience he’s making a pretty good showing.
Looking at last years vote and comments
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/10/23/1098289/los-angeles-dodgers-number-one
Withrow barely sneaked by Gordon. Only Gordon made the cut again this year. That means two things, last years groups sucked this year, and we had a huge upgrade in talent at the top level.
I don’t understand how you see that we had a huge upgrade in talent?
Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll
JMO
but I think Lee, Jansen, Sands, Robinson, Webster, Rubby
are much better and have better futures then
Elbert, Withrow, Lindblom, and DeJesus
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I definitely agree
Although I haven’t given up on Withrow. I was never that high on Lindblom or Elbert and DeJesus breaking his leg just really sucked.
Couldn't we say the same thing going into last year?
McDonald, LaRoche and DeJesus’ status had fallen yet they’d been replaced by Withrow and Gordon.
Seeing as how most prospects fail, in hindshight the promise of the new generation will always look better compared to those that have failed.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I never really thought McDonald status had fallen and DeJesus was unfortunate with the leg. LaRoche yes, definitely one of the inevitable busts, but at least we got Manny for him.
McDonald’s statues only fell with the one guy whose vote counts unfortunately. It will be painful to see him become a fixture in the Pirates rotation while the Dodgers trot out God-knows-what at the back of their rotation.
Indeed. As Ned said
his messages are very simple.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I still think Withrow will be a decent pitcher at some point. DeJesus can always go the Juan Castro career path. Lindblom and Elbert I have no expectations for.
I still like Withrow, too.
He’s my number 5.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This year’s groups has flaws though.
It seems only Dodgers fans consider Robinson to be a top 50 kind of prospect. Jerry Sands is polarizing, Dee Gordon is even more polarizing, Zach Lee won’t start a full year of pro ball until next year. And Jansen is a reliever.
Every prospect list for every team has flaws
even the best of the prospects can struggle like Weiters and Smoak. Not everyone is a Posey, and even the ones who are Poseys still may struggle in the future.
by meercatjohn on Oct 26, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like I am always trying to say this. They are called “prospects” for a reason. Every team’s list looks like this (except for maybe the Braves and Royals who have ridiculous systems). I bet we are somewhere in the 11 – 15 range right now.
Dodgers fans thought last year’s system was ranked 11-15, and it was ranked 20-30. Considering how many players who were ranked highly did struggle, groups like BA were right to ranked it that lowly.
I'd be really happy if we're ranked in that range
I think we’re 17
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say my level of happiness will be unchanged regardless of where BA ranks us :)
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Dee Gordon
is only polarizing on this blog where last year’s statistical performance is valued over scouting reports. Scouts love him for the most part, and I would bet he will be #1 or #2 on every prospect list with the exception of TBLA.
Off topic but Rob Neyer's tweets this hour are amusing
as he takes a lot of unnecessary shit from prickly Giants fans
@robneyer Just waded through a few dozen insults in the mailbag from Giants fans. Nice to know that fans are the same everywhere.
My favorite fans are the ones who claim I don’t watch Giants games, or West Coast baseball generally. That’s almost ALL that I watch.
then this comeback made me laugh:
RT @ajuarez_thatSID: @robneyer Ironically Rob, most Giants fans this year didn’t start watching baseball until the Oct. 1-3 Padres series.
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we may not need a runoff after all
unless 1st and 2nd place are within a few % of each other, we will just go with the top vote getter. Also, the poll for this vote closes at midnight
If you meant the Clippers home opener tomorrow night
then yes I will be there.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I kept thinking tonight was our opener
now I have to wait until tomorrow. Are you going early for the party? I won’t be there until game time, stop by if you can.
I’ll be there early and late.
I’ll stop by.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're comparing Lee to anyone the dodgers have, why not Allen Webster?
Both right handers, both are tall, lanky, and both have first names as their surnames.
Lee’s agent Darek Braunecker told ESPN’s Andrew Marchand, “The story is not an issue to us. Her experience in New York is certainly a non-issue. She enjoys New York as much as anyone enjoys New York.”
So its a common occurrence in New York to be spat and pour drinks on. Got it.
Was reading comprehension a part of your interview today?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Objection
Are you really asking the defendant to testify to the amount of enjoyment Mrs. Lee received whilst in New York and compare it to his experience 5+ years ago?
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Witness did not claim time frame. Witness only claimed that Ms. Lee enjoys New York as ‘anyone else.’
When Ms Lee was not getting ripped by Yankee fans
good bet she was enjoying world class food establishments, and all the other wonderful things the city has to offer someone with money.
You can get it here in LA too
But Manhattan is unique.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Cliff and his wife have known each
other since the 7th grade back in Arkansas.
I would guess that if the Rangers can be in the same range and years of the Yankees, they have a shot of signing him.
They probably went on a boar hunt
together, and she fell in love with him because of the way he carved up that razor back.
She fell for him
because he could coax all the dogs out from under the porch.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Because his brand of deer urine had just the right musk to it
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
My 80's and 90's baseball cards are now coaching the D-Backs
mlbtraderumors
DBacks announce coaching staff additions of Trammell, Baylor, Nagy, Eric Young.
More wild cards?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5728656
I say no, I like that not every damn team makes the playoffs in baseball(I’m looking at you basketball).
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Thought about this a bit when I was driving up to Colton for the interview.
You go two divisions in each league, and have 4 wild card teams. The 4 wild card teams have a 3 game series all played at the team with the higher record. The next day the series ends, the winning team has to fly to the next round.
It provides an incentive to win your division.
I don't like the idea of a 3 game series
I already don’t like 5 game series.
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they want to make the 5 game series
into a 7 game
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Which I'm down for
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Most Likely to be traded in a mid season move to shore up a post season run.
Robinson, Sands, Webster.
I didn’t want to be that cynical.
Ned’s job is probably on the line this year. If he misses the playoff again, Frank McCourt will not be happy. He might try to run the team himself like Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
Your positions get crazier by the day.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Nathan Eovaldi
I hope he isn’t forgotten as we move later in these polls. He’s still a top 15 prospect with one of the strongest fastballs in the system.
The usual complaints (future reliever, weak secondary pitch) are probably valid for now, but I still would like to know how he threw 2 complete game shutouts in the CAL league with just a fastball.
I will again vote down his prospect status.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
How so
sure he’s young and he gets guys out, but he’s also only facing them one time through the order. Eovaldi still has 95 MPH heat, the rest can come, Javier is going to have make do with what he has. Would you rather have the guy with heat who needs to learn secondary pitches, or the guy who hits 90, has solid secondary pitches?
That’s a good question.
Webster vs. Rubby. Gould vs. Eovaldi. Jansen vs. McDonald
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy who was thought to be the best pitcher in Mexico
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
oh he won't be forgotten
I’ve already written up about 20 prospects for this post, and he’s one of them…he’s also always been a favorite of mine
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
but I still would like to know how he threw 2 complete game shutouts in the CAL league with just a fastball.
Anyone?
Obviously magic
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That doesn’t really say anything. I’ve seen Martin’s curve and it’s great. I’m trying to figure out how Eovaldi did it by pumping fastball after fastball.
I may be wrong but I kind of remember
one weekend where Eovaldi threw the shutout and then in the next day in the same park, against the same team Martin was lit for something like 6 – 8 earned runs.
He was facing guys in A ball?
It was a sandstorm that day and the hitters couldn’t see?
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
How many complete game shutouts were thrown in the CAL league last year? I would think it’d be nigh impossible for someone to do it with just a fastball in an extreme hitting environment.
And he did it twice, so there must have been two sandstorms or something.
Eovaldi does have a relatively good secondary pitch
kinda a mix between a slider and curve from what i’ve heard. So he doesn’t soley rely on the fastball. I’m guessing the days he threw shutouts he was bringing some heat and mixing in that slurve at the right times
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Small sample size warning
But seeing Eovaldi in the Cal League all-star game, I thougth his curveball was terrible.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
it has to be terrible
for a guy throwing mid 90s not to get more Ks then this guy does
amazing that Jansen got so much love for a RP??? even a CL?
TBLA will be only baseball post…that give him #1 spot…
ha yeah i never said Jansen was our #1 prospect
and he didn’t get my vote in this poll
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Wisdom of Crowds
I wonder if the prospect guys think all us Jansen voters are uninformed idiots, or if they’re fascinated by the fact that Jansen won, or if they think, well, it’s meaningless so it doesn’t matter….
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think seeing Kenley as #1 in the sidebar all year will be annoying, unless he wins the CY young and/or every other guy in this poll completely shits the bed.
every other guy in this poll completely shits the bed
I’m trying to decide whether to make a Groundhog Day reference or to quote Die Hard 2 — “How can the same shit happen to the same team TWICE?!”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
seconded
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
glhf
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Gordon
He might be considered a scouting toolshed, but how much does performance matter? Joel Guzman had tools too, but that never got him anywhere. Sure, Gordon might have the best pie in the sky ceiling, but he doesn’t look very likely to reach it at this point.
Better Days
Life Magazine has released some never-before-seen photos of the Dodgers winning the 1955 World Series, including one of Jackie Robinson stealing home.
http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/51141/1955-world-series-rare-never-seen
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Will anyone ever see this out of athletes again?
“after finally winning the World Series, we were more reverential than boisterous. Before the writers came in, there was no noise. I looked at Pee Wee, and he had a tear in his eye. So did Jackie and Gil.” The idea of these exhausted, sweaty, elated grown men sharing a quiet, probably still-somewhat-unbelieving moment after finally reaching the prize they’d struggled toward for so many years, before inviting the rest of the world in to share in their triumph — it’s almost a little too perfect. But only almost.
I'm surprised they didn't burn down Brooklyn
and for all the excitement 55 must have given the burg, three years later, as a Brooklyn fan you’d have to wonder why you poured your heart into them. Whatever the reason, the reality was that the team you adored was gone, the team you hated was gone, you were only left with the Yankee’s. I would have left town.
I just now realized I was born the year the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles.
I need to put up my 55 since 55 poster.
there’s a movie for Hollywood. Start it at the Shot Heard Round The World, flash forward 4 years later, end with the big celebration in Brooklyn. (sorry, I like to think about this stuff)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that was 1908
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I did the best I could at work
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by nolander on Oct 26, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
In fact
I love it so much, it’s now my avatar.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
for some reason, I feel like I’m watching the Dodger Yearbook video as directed by Wes Anderson
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
when they say Zach Lee’s fastball movement is ‘boring’, do they mean it’s slow and lethargic, or that it actually drills holes through bats if they make contact?
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
From last years comments
I think Elbert could become Billy Wagner
They both started most of their games in the minor leagues.
They both had excellent K rates in the minors but also had bad command.
Wagner never started a game in the major leagues, same thing could happen with Elbert
Then again if Doug Davis can pitch in a major league rotation, Scott Elbert should be able to.
by meercatjohn on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
So a year later Elbert still has not started a major league game. Points 1 -3 still stand.
True or False: There is a greater chance of Elbert becoming Humma Kavula than Billy Wagner.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I couldn't
You could fit four of me inside David Wells.
I am a tiny, tiny man.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I call Ken Gurnick “Big Ken.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why Kenley shouldn't be #1
because Elbert could still be Billy Wagner.
So . . .
1. Jansen
2. Lee
3. Sands
4. Gordon
5. Webster
6. Trayvon
7. Rubby
CNN is projecting Jansen to be our next #1 prospect.
I want to hear what fivethirtyeight has to say on this
funny enough I had no clue the guy used to be a big deal in the baseball stats world.
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No shit
Nate was the main dude at BP, created Pecota, and did some fun stuff. Being a database man I’m still in shock he created Pecota with only a spreadsheet.
I still find it funny that Nate gained more acceptance in the political world than he did in the baseball people.
Are you kidding me?
Have you seen more then 3 minutes of CNN MSNBC or Fox News?
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Sure they do
they just aren’t funny
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But they are
pompous and overbearing, or exactly like Plaschke and Simers.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Hopefully he doesn’t have a Dick in a Box either.
Which is what I meant
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I don't cry because I know there are people out there
that believe he is actually crying and not being a big fat faker.
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my laugh is out of astonishment
at how shameless it all is and how far we’ve fallen as a society. Then I envision Nero playing his fiddle and realize history does repeat itself.
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Yep
People always act like things are getting worse and we are getting dumber, and I just laugh and laugh at how little they realize how much things sucked in the past.
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Really
People talk about how polarized we are right now, and I’m like, “Dude, we fought a civil war in this country.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Aye
Sadly those who want to pay attention to history tend to be those who are willing to romanticize it.
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He also actually hit his predictions
vs. his Pecota cards which are good for conversation but not what I would call an accurate predictor of performance.
The guy knows his shit
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I didn't realize long beach had one
I always just hear about San Diego and New York
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is that Wizard World LA?
I went there twice before and it was at the Long Beach CC. It was fun. Saw Kevin Smith twice(dude is hilarious), met Kevin Eastman. Nearly passed out from being awake for 24 hours. good times.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
nahuh
apparently last year was the first one, but there is now a LB Comic Con to be held annually at the LB Convention Center
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ah, i see
never been to that one.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I could walk there, but I’m not into comics. What’s there for a non-comic fan?
goofy costumes?
armies of Princess Leia chicks?
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Movies? TV? Video Games?
Fat Chicks in garments they shouldn’t be wearing?
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Fat Guys in garments they shouldn't be wearing?
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yes, yes, yes, yes and oh my god stinky yes
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So if you can deal with the scantily clad fat guys, you can treat your eyes to Princess Leia chicks and boobs?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Sometimes
you might even get to see Pikachu chick
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Pikachu is a chick?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
probably nsfw
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/30/pika-1.jpg but don’t expect them all to look like that.
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Too bad about the duckface. All I can think when I look at her is quack quack quack quack.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Its like half of a duckface
but it looks more like she is trying not to crack up or something.
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quack quack quack quack quack quack quack.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason
I loved that show.
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the worst is when these gals
look straight into the ceiling and make the duckface.. so they look like they are having a seizure.
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
Are you thinking of the fat dude?
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mintxcore won’t be attending.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
i am honored and confused
i used to go to SD comic con but havent been since 2004. we made a zine that was just a book of xeroxed pogs. it was amazing. lots of the girls at con at the time were hired. that was before twilight showed up.
I thought you didn’t like girls dressed like strippers.
Or maybe it’s OK if they’re dressed like Pikachu dressed as a stripper….?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
“You mean you can wear stripper clothes when you’re not stripping?”
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Its for a special occasion man
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Mintxcore approves of slave clothes, but not stripper clothes.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
You say that like
theres something wrong with it
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also not a driver’s license, but that’s cool, completely miss my point
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear officer
I thought she was 27. After all “Jedi” came out in 1983! HOW ELSE WOULD SHE KNOW ABOUT THE BIKINI?!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That just means you can give them a ride back home, right?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
hey, I didn't introduce boobs into the discussion
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This is Day Two of Boob Talk.
We repeat our top story: the Dodgers have been eliminated from postseaon play.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s kinda funny that it’s the girls of the board that keep bringing up boobs
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda funny
or by design?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting question
who think about boobs more on an average day, men or women?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I learned long ago from my uncle
that woman are more obsessed with boobs then men are.
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There are guys
who dress up as the wannabe batmans from the begginning of Dark Knight? Who knew.
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Only when you spot a hot MILF in the crowd, and by MILF I mean a players mother. example – Phil Hughes hot mother.
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
I was wondering why Phil Hughes’ Hot Mother was at Comic-Con.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
To be back on topic (for me)
I picked Sands but now am sort of regretting it, if only that after researching it more and thinking about it more, I sort of agree with Canuck that the guy has a high ceiling, is still scary-undervalued by a lot of people. But I sort of like it that way. I am also nervous about picking any pitcher right now given their history of flaming out (thus our naming Kershaw the Minotaur way back when). I also am still not convinced about Gordon. To be honest, given what we thought of our system a year or 2 ago, and where it has been ranked, to have this group to choose from his pretty heartening, again at least compared to what it looked like a year ago.
Okay, back to work with me, sigh.
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Duh, I forgot to say "sort of agree about DE LA ROSA"
as who I thought about picking.
Lee I am excited about but want to see him in the minors for a bit first, and Webster I like, too.
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I think a part of why Sands may be under rated by the overall baseball prospect community and over rated by the Dodgers fans is because of Brandon Belt.
Belt’s a college player who was drafted low, the Giants reworked his swing, and he’s hitting even better than Sands did.
Why would you think Sands is a prospect when you see Belt do what he did and better?
I think he meant De La Rosa was underrated.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, whatever Sands turns out to be, he’ll be that independent of whatever Belt turns out to be. They really don’t have anything to do with each other.
But don’t look at me, I didn’t vote for Sands. As soon as Meercat brought up John Bowker a couple of weeks ago, I’ve been scared.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I understand what you mean
Giants fans think he is their #1 prospect.
understandable since I left out a key name the first time around!
But yeah I mean Rubby.
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If you thought somehow that Kershaw would drop in your fantasy drafts, forget it.
Who to watch: After Kemp, the most coveted player here likely will be ace Clayton Kershaw. He struck out 212 hitters and didn’t rely on his pitcher-friendly home ballpark (2.43 road ERA) to do so. Put simply, Kershaw could soon pass Jon Lester, CC Sabathia and others to become fantasy’s top left-handed starting pitcher.
http://insider.espn.go.com/sports/fantasy/blog?name=karabell_eric_baseball&id=5730488
188 strikeouts, 75
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1B Gimli has to roll a 20 to have a WAR of 5
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always been curious
about blood bowel. Wonder if they have a baseball version.
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Brett Anderson
will be a good sleeper pick next year. People have short term memories.
Clayton has helped me win 2 years in a row
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
jansen?????
closers are not top prospect for one reason…. in their best year, they will have a war of maybe 4…. thats if they are gagne great……
a number 3 starter is worth the same. as gagne in his prime WAR wise
trayvon is def ahead of jansen and sands is too…
I really do completely agree with this.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine the counterargument is
that the probabilities of Jansen hitting his ceiling – or near it – is much higher than the others, given that he has already pitched in the majors.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yes
but a number 3 starter is not that high of a ceiling to reach for a guy like webster or de la rosa… considring their ulitimate ceilings are even higher…
A great closer affects 80 games.
A great starter only affects 32-33 games.
80 is bigger than 33 stat nerd
Its science
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checking
my sarcasm detector…… no it’s not broken, just pegged.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
No!
IT SHOWS ZOMG KENLEY IS BETTER THAN MO
ENTER DUTCHMAN FTW
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Jansen's entrance music next year be
this?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He is going to be the next K Janson
so I second this.
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Wilton still gets my vote for the outstanding first at-bat by a new major leaguer.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
Wilton hit a grounder, and broke his bat. Instead of running it out, he stopped to grab the broken pieces of bat.
The ump got suspicious, looked, and saw that the bat was corked. Wilton got ejected, suspended, and fined.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
That is all kinds of awesome.
I mean, Eddie Gaedel has to be on any list of outstanding first at-bats by a new major leaguer, but Wilton’s got him beat.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That was seriously his first AB?
I remember the incident, but don’t recall it being his first AB.
Wilton Guerrero
struck out in his first AB in 1996. The corked bat came later, on 6/1/97.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The problem with SB Nation polls
is that anyone can vote even if they are not TBLA members or even members of SB Nation. If you guys are up for it I’d suggest instead of a blind poll that you vote with a comment and only those members who take the time to post a vote will be counted. I don’t know if Brandon is up for this but it does seem like most of our posters will be embarrassed by this vote.
The downside is that Josie will post a comic con comment in the middle of the voting and it will hard as hell to get back on track.
then you could BAN her
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
No wait I spelled that wrong
BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Fine by me, but I’m still voting for Kenley.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Should I vote for Trayvon again?
Maybe, but should I change my criteria? Maybe.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
If this idea were to occur
When would the re-vote take place?
It would have to be a fanpost.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 26, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that taking this a bit too serious
this is all in fun. I know if my team was getting ready for the World Series, I would not care about some poll on another team’s site.
Have you been to their website?
I mean come on mang.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Normally I'd agree
but to be honest I’d like this to be vote of TBLA members only, and the only way to ensure that is with a comment vote. This does stay all year on the TBLA sidebar and we do want to be taken seriously. So yes, we are taking this seriously.
I thought about doing a vote in the comments
because of what Phil said. They did it over on minorleagueball.com and it seemed to work, although they didn’t have as many voters over there.
One reason i thought to do that was because in the Raptors season in review poll, Shawn Tolleson ended up winning the poll. I thought maybe that was due to leaving the poll open too long, however, so i thought that if i closed this with 24 hours i might get better results.
i guess we can wait and see how close this is and then do a run off with the top vote getters using the comment voting method
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 26, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Just limit the commets to a simple one word answer. All commenst that are more than the player’s last name are discounted. Leaves out all biases and people trying to talk up their pick ( Yes, I realize I did this too).
Think we can manage?
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
The powers that be
will be putting up a run off vote for the top three as a fanpost shortly. As Gary says, the comments should be succinct and only contain the player you are voting for making it easier for us to tabulate. Though I think when we limit it to unique comments of one vote per member we will get less then 30 actual votes. Which is cool because I’d rather have 30 votes for those who care then 300 of every tom and nancy.
Are they even smart enough (at least about Dodger prospects)
to know how to vote “wrong” here to make things go askew? I kinda doubt they give a shit right now, too. :-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I was just kidding
The whole poll thing has always irritated me ever since Eric/I did the Dodger Lineup and Maury Wills won the leadoff spot when he got a gazillion votes over night and screwed up our lineup forever. It is totally bizarre that SB Nation lets anyone vote in these polls. Members only people, it ain’t rocket science, if you can’t take the time to register then I don’t want your opinion.
Kinda like the "How do you feel about the Dodgers" poll
I know it was a “rough” year at 80-82, but the poll seems low for it being supposedly all Dodgers fans.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
For the casual fan
That’s the only name they know
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilt Chamberlain
has had his jersey and/or number (13) retired by the following:
University of Kansas
Harlem Globetrotters
Golden State Warriors
Philadelphia 76ers
Los Angeles Lakers
Amazon apparently has a
distribution center 5 minutes away from me. And my stuff seems to be sent 5 days ago to this place. They seem to have sat on it for at least 3 days just so they can fall in their super saver guidelines.
Do you still have your student email address?
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
free prime for those with a student email
http://www.amazon.com/gp/student/signup/info
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Then use Amazon Prime
its amaaaaaaaaaazing getting free 2 day shipping on everything.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
It’s a brilliant idea from Amazon. I order random crap I’d normally get b&m because amazon prime is so convenient.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Its also cheaper
almost everything is cheaper on amazon then it is in stores so I tend to save a bunch of cash and time.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Yep, which is why they just started posting profits about three years ago.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, and really this does need to be fixed so that your local B&M can have a somewhat level playing field.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just that
I mean the base price is cheaper on many things, mostly I think to offset the cost of shipping for those without prime. Some other things like books and movies are simply a lot cheaper for some reason.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Best Buy
Will match all Amazon pricing if you bring it in. So, the tax thing is a big deal.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
for some reason I always assumed
they would exempt a place like Amazon.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
I thought so too. I was really surprised. My sister-in-law was able to get the price after the fact too.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly….but no one is going to run a tally on this and log it all. It would be easier to tax at the purchase.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be easy for amazon to provide the functionality to you
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Yep, but North Carolina just lost base on Free Speech (right for consumer to not disclose the type of books or movies they bought)
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 26, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
woww
thanks for this.. im doing the 1 month for free, but didnt know they had this for 1 year for stuedents
Since 1986, there has only been two NFL teams who have allowed less than 200 points in a season. They are the usual suspects:
2000 Baltimore Ravens
2002 Tampa Bay Bucs
I would have LOVED a fantasy match between them. Maybe a 3-0 game.
I think it would be higher
due to the defenses creating turnovers.
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
#1 prospect run off vote...
has been posted as a fanpost. there is no poll in this one, only voting in the comments to make this more legit
Since Trayvon is gone I go to Sands
until Lee pitches a single pitch in minor league ball I’m not ready to call him #1
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/
Now that this poll is dead, and to avoid cluttering teh final vote, can we get a new, browser-friendly open thread?
Now with 33% more Kavula
You can't live without us can you?
Everyday I tell myself, today is the day I will post on TBLA, but each day I lose that battle.
We got our first newbie
on the members only vote. He’s been voting in poll after poll but this was his first comment. I bet he makes a habit of it.
NPOT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/26/1776415/open-thread-to-discuss-prospect-voting
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
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