So this is how you build a World Series team - Part One
I've watched just about every game of this post season, and the one thing I never hear mentioned by the announcers is how did these teams get built. Sure Moreland is the first baseman, but how did this unheralded rookie end up manning 1st base for the World Series bound Texas Rangers? Then again I spend a good amount of the time watching these games on mute so it is possible I've just missed this part of the incredible information that TBS or Fox impart upon us, usually through insipid sideline reporting.
So maybe you've heard this before, maybe not, but here goes.
1st Base Rangers - Chris Davis was supposed to the answer at 1st base, and if he wasn't the answer then Justin Smoak was ready to take the reins of the job that was expected to be his ever since he was drafted with the 11th pick of the 2008 draft. Chris Davis was only 22 years old when he hit the major leagues with a big bang in 2008, hitting 17 home runs in only 317 at batting posting a robust .547 slug%. The future looked bright for Davis if you looked past the 88 K's. So in 2009 the job was handed to Davis but he fumbled it striking out 150 times in less then 400 at bats. He still hit his home runs but not enough to hold the job. In 2010 he was given two chances. His first chance came at the beginning of the season but he was awful, hitting just .188 through April 22nd. Meanwhile Justin Smoak was smoking in AAA so they switched jobs. Smoak was not much better hitting only .209 in 275 at bats. When Texas needed an ace they sent their top hitting prospect Justin Smoak to the Mariners for Cliff Lee and stuck Chris Davis back at 1st base. This was Chris Davis's final putt to make par, and it didn't go in. From July 9th - July 28th he was the regular 1st baseman, but again could not get his average above .200, and worse he didn't hit one home run. With no other choice the Rangers turned to 24 year old Mitch Moreland, an after thought in the 2007 draft, when he was picked in the 17th round. Moreland however had done nothing but hit since being drafted, and was up to the task. From July 29th through the end of the year Moreland was the number one 1st baseman against RHP, and he delivered a solid .833 OPS, showing excellent plate discipline and just enough power to make the pitchers pay if they hit the strike zone. Mitch Moreland's success after the debacle at bats from Davis and Smoak is one of the biggest surprises of the 2010 season. To handle LHP, the Rangers traded for Jorge Cantu, but the man who put up a .923 OPS for the Marlins in April did nothing for the Rangers. He was so bad against LHP that in the end Moreland was even getting those at bats.
1st Base Giants - You could argue that Aubrey Huff was the best free agent signing of 2010. For only 3 Million the Giants replaced a huge hole with a bonafide slugger. Huff had hit in the past but his heyday was 2002 - 2004, and steroid rumors plagued him considering how far he dropped off from 2004 to 2007. However he put some of the that to rest when he bounced back with a big year for the Orioles in 2008. In 2010 Huff put up an OPS+ of 138, his second best OPS+ of his career. I remember reading where Huff's right field power would die with the Giants but the experts were wrong, the power didn't die, it exploded. If you have been watching the playoffs you almost might have noticed just how well Huff hangs in against LHP. Having watched Loney and Andre basically give up every at bat this year against LHP, I just figured every left handed hitter was a pussy against LHP. Uh, no. Huff hits lefties hard. Very hard.
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2nd Base Rangers - Ian Kinsler was a 17th round pick of the Rangers back in 2003. Quick name me one other team that has two 17th round picks manning the right side of the infield? Or two in the same lineup? Beats me but I doubt if anyone is doing that. Kinsler flew through the system and was the starting 2nd baseman by 2006. When healthy he's as good as Robinson Cano. Kinsler's only problem is staying healthy, and he had trouble doing that in 2010. However he learned some new tricks in 2010. Known mostly as a home run hitting 2nd baseman he lost some power in 2010 but gained more back with his new found patience, as he jumped his walk rate to 13% netting him a .380 OB%.
2nd Base Giants - I don't even have to hit the reference material to talk about Freddie Sanchez. He was the star of Burbank at Burbank HS , the smallish kid was a freak during his high school run. According to my niece who went to high school with him, he was also a very cool kid who didn't have attitude to go along with his success. He eventually was a 11th round pick by the Boston Red Sox, a cause for much celebration in the Gurnee household being that my nieces dad and thus my niece were huge Red Sox fans. The Giants picked up Freddie in 2009 when they traded once heralded prospect Tim Alderson for him. Then signed him to a two year deal worth 12 Million. He was not much use in 2009 due to injuries, but in 2010 he did a solid job for the Giants, posting a 98 OPS+. His .342 OB% was the highest since his mostly forgotten 2006 season when he lead the league in hitting with a .344 average.
SS Rangers - Elvis Andrus is a magician with the glove, but the trade that brought him to the Rangers was the greatest trick in the book. With Mark Teixeira needing to be traded in 2007 Jon Daniels the Ranger GM was known for having traded Adrian Gonzalez / Chris Young for crap then for anything good he'd ever done. He needed a win when he traded Teixeira or his franchise would be in trouble. To get this win he needed a trading partner and lucky for Daniels the Braves thought they had a good team who could get to the World Series if they added a slugging first baseman. The Braves also had a loaded farm system which was the perfect match. I consider this the greatest trade of the 21st century.
July 31, 2007: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Beau Jones (minors), Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia to the Texas Rangers for Ron Mahay and Mark Teixeira.
Why do I consider this trade so great? Because Jarrod Saltalamacchia was the centerpiece of the deal. The Ranger scouts failed on the keystone but nailed the others. Heck even if Jarrod was a failure based on expectations he was still a starting catcher. The Rangers got a starting catcher, a starting SS, a starting pitcher, and a bullpen guy with the best arm in baseball. Okay, now that I look at it, not the greatest traded of the 21st century. Hell we all know that was the Smoak for Lee deal, don't we:)
SS Giants - Juan Uribe are you kidding me. Juan Uribe was 28 years old in 2009 when Sabean signed him as a free agent. His OPS the previous three years were .698, .678, .682. He sucked. He became a Giant too basically handle the utility gig, he ended with an OPS in 2009 of .824, and while he fell a bit in 2010, he came alive in Sept posting his best OPS of the season. Another 3 Million dollar Free Agent deal. For just over 10 Million the Giants had a 1st/2nd/SS. Of course not everything is roses. The Giants had signed Renteria to be their starting SS by giving him a 18.5 two year deal in 2009. It was a terrible deal, but no one cares because Uribe picked up the slack. Renteria was hurt most of 2010 after having a dismal 2009 season.
3rd Rangers - Mike Young was drafted in the fifth round of the 1997 draft by the Blue Jays. Then they traded him on July 19th for one Estaban Loaiza. From then on Young was a fixture at SS for the Rangers until Andrus showed up. Then unlike one John Valentin, Young moved to 3rd base without grumbling Originally Mike Young requested a trade but the Rangers were unable to move his large contract and in the end he became the 3rd baseman, and viola, the Rangers had a left side of the infield that was the envy of the American League. Young could always hit, mixing in two great years with many solid years.
3rd Giants - Pablo Sandoval was the find of 2008, the converted catcher destroyed NL pitching for 1 1/2 seasons and looked to be the heir apparent to Vlady as the best bad ball hitting player in baseball. However something changed and in 2010 Sandoval stopped hitting on April 28th, 2010 (my 20th wedding anniversary). He was hitting .373 at that point, by the end of the year he was hitting .268. This is what he did from April 29th until the end of the year. Pablo was signed as a free agent out of Venezuela.
C Rangers - No story is getting more play then the Bengie Molina story and the fact he will win a ring no matter who win this World Series. Everyone already knows this story, so we will skip it for brevity. Since I expect hardly anyone has even gotten this far.
C Giants - Buster Posey was the fifth pick in the 2008 draft and has been destined for greatness ever since. You get players like Posey by being so bad you get to draft fifth. When fans ask why we don't have a Posey the answer is simple. You don't want to be the team who was so bad they were drafting fifth. A year ago there was rumblings that he couldn't catch, well those seem to have been put to rest. After seeing how much Matt Weiters was hyped and how much he underwhelmed I will say I did not buy into the Posey hype. So far however he's been even better then advertised. That said he sucked against the Phillies.
RF Rangers - Nelson Cruz is proof enough that Billy Beane is not a magic man. He's made some bad deals but none may have been worse then trading Nelson Cruz for Keith Ginter in 2004. It took a while for Cruz to make his mark but anyone who has watched him this post season has to be impressed with the player. When Cruz was traded to the Brewers it was a small trade, it took a blockbuster to get him to Texas. Quite a deal when you look at it:
July 28, 2006: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers for Julian Cordero (minors), Francisco Cordero, Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.
RF Giants - The Giants tried everyone from John Bowker to Nate Schierholz to Jose Guillen but none of them fit the bell until Cody Ross showed up just in the nick of time. The previous three all under performed expectations, so Sabean went to the well one more time and acquired Ross on waivers August 22nd. Ross had been a consistent outfielder for the Marlins ever since they stole him from the Reds who stole him from the Dodgers. A career 104 OPS+ while only earning 7 Million during his 2222 plate appearances. The deuces are wild indeed.
CF Rangers - Josh Hamilton is a frigging folk hero, so by now I expect everyone knows his story. If not, you will by the end of the World Series as I'm sure his addiction well be gone over like a fine picked comb. For the record Hamilton was the Number One Pick of 1999 by the Rays, had a slight problem with drugs/alcohol, recovered to late for the Rays to get any benefit, and was picked up in the 2006 Rule Five draft by the CUBS, who then do what Cubs do, and traded him to the Reds. The Reds got a good year out of a guy who had not played baseball for a while, but needed pitching so they traded him to the Rangers in 2008 for Edinson Volquez. I'm impressed with how he kicked his addictions for the time being but the reason Josh Hamilton is one of my favorite players is because of how he plays the game.
CF Giants - Torres was drafted in the fourth round of the 1998 draft. By the age of 27 his major league career appeared over as he hit .141 for the Texas Rangers. That was 2005. After having played in 89 major league games, he would not see the major leagues again for three bloody years. At age 31 he resurfaces again when the Giants signed him as a NRI in 2009. He made the team in 2009 out of camp but was sent down until late May when he got the call again. Since then he has done nothing but play one of the best centerfields in the NL. This is incredible. Even with a huge slump in Sept that saw his OPS drop 40 points he still ended up with a .823 OPS for the season. A freebie by Sabean. Just like Ross. In fact as you will see the starting outfield of Ross/Torres/Burrel is making peanuts. You may not be impressed with the names but that is the starting outfield for the 2010 NL Champions.
LF Rangers - David Murphy gets alot of time here, he was the number one pick of the Red Sox (17th pick) back in 2003 and then the Red Sox dealt him and Engel Beltre (another nice prospect) for the right to watch Eric Gagne suck in 2007. Murphy is not great, kind of like Cody Ross but he hits enough. Julio Borbon was the starting CF at the start of the year but when he failed, this is the outfield you see most of the time.FYI Ned, a Murphy/Ross platoon might make for a killer LF.
LF Giants - Pat Burrell was a much ballyhooed number one pick in the country in 1998. If you got this far you will notice that the number one pick of 1999 is playing against the number one pick of 1998 and both are on their third team. Burrell did his gig with Phillies then signed a two year deal with the Rays that many considered a good deal (2/16). The many were wrong as Burrell was so putrid that the Rays released him when he couldn't get his OPS above .700. The Giants nabbed him for nothing since the Rays are paying his salary and of course he then proceeded to give the Giants the offense the Rays had been paying for. For the record I totally despise players in any sport who fail for the team who gave them the large contract, get released, sign for the minimum, then deliver. Asswipes.
DH Rangers - Big Daddy Vlady has always been one of my favorite hitters. Vlady may leave behind a trail of bad swings during the post season but is anyone more fun to watch hit? Any Angel fan could tell you that Vlady destroyed the Rangers, so when his agent picked Texas as Vlady's home in 2010, you expected good things to happen. So for the mere price of 6.5 Million the Rangers added the potent DH bat they had been seeking for years. For a guy with the rep of not hitting in the postseason this link says not so fast.
That is how you build a World Series Team.
Draft - Moreland, Kinsler, Posey
Trades - Andrus, Young, Molina, Hamilton, Cruz, Murphy
Free Agents - Vlady, Huff, Uribe, Sanchez, Torres
International Signings - Sandoval
Waiver Wire - Burrell, Ross
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It seems like a lot of players on the Giants are having career years. Especially Uribe.
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Maybe not career years but top two:
Huff, Uribe, Posey, Torres, Sanchez
but they also suffered the loss of De Rosa, and the complete meltdown of one of the best hitters in the league in Sandoval.
Hopefully this is Posey’s career year:)
Ned’s signings haven’t been great, but considering who has been available and what he’s had to work with, things could have been worse.
I guess it's less fails
and more bad luck. I mean, who would have thought Huff would be destroying this year?
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a similar surprise
would be Mr. Gamer.
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Yeah, our trades skew towards horrible and ill-advised for the most part. Our FA signings are a mixed bag, but we have certainly had some good ones (Kuroda).
I'm pretty sure and I'll be doing a post on that soon
but whenever Ned trades for a pitcher of any kind the results are not kind, when he trades for a position player he has been very successful. Might be a problem with scouting, besides the basic over valuing of relief pitchers.
I'm curious my self to find out the results
that comment was just off the top of my head considering
Hendrickson, Seo, Carter, Baez, Proctor, Loaiza, Maddux (2), Sherrill, Dotel
against
Lilly, Garland, Maddux (1)
against
Manny, Magic Marlon, Belliard,
against
Blake, Theriot, Podboy
My hypothesis, just looking at this list is that we do OK getting mid-rotation veteran pitchers and position players but under no circumstances should Ned be allowed to trade for a relief pitcher. He should have one special assistant who’s sole purpose is to distract him with a shiny object when he starts talking about trading for relief help.
by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ned: Ok, so I was thinking that we need some more arms for the ’pen. What do you think about tradin —
Special Assistant Maddz: Who wants some tequila?!
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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dodgers 2008 team (off the top of my head)
Draft: Loney, Martin, DeWitt, Kemp, Bililngsley, Broxton, Kershaw
Trades: Ramirez, Ethier
Free Agents: Kent, Furcal
International Signings: Kuroda, Kuo
Waiver Wire: Belisario
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
You can add Maddux to the waiver wire.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Excellent post
Even though Volquez started out strong with Cincinnatti, I hated that trade from the beginning (from the Reds perspective.) Considering Volquez gave CIN nothing this year, imagine how stacked CIN would have been with the two possible MVPs this year in Votto and Hamilton.
It certainly looks like the trade favors Texas now, but at the time it seemed like a good trade for both teams. There were questions about Hamilton’s durability and Cin needed to rebuild their pitching staff. The Reds would probably love to have Hamilton but they have some good young pitching for the first time in a long time, and Volquez is part of that.
At the end of 2009
Hamilton was the one who had been hurt most of the year. Still, the Reds would like to have this deal back, since they now have a lot of decent young pitching but are now thin in the outfield.
Votto/Hamilton/Bruce/Philips/Rolen would have been a hell of a middle lineup.
I don’t really think they’re that thin in the outfield. They might not have a perennial all-star, but it looks like Bruce, Stubbs and Heisey will all be solid players and they’re all homegrown.
Not the biggest fan of Heisey
but I understand they are trying Alonso there, since he’s blocked by Votto. Stubbs needs to improve to be considered an asset.
They should just trade Alonso and Stubbs for Greinke.
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What do you not like about Heisey?
.757 OPS as a rookie. Good mix of speed and power.
Could be a solid .280/.350/.450 hitter playing plus defense.
AND, he was a 17th round draft pick!
Man has that flipped in a short time
I remember when they could mash but had no pitching, what was that, yesterday?
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Good Young arms, not including Volquez
Cuerto (24)
Baily (24)
Leake (22)
Travis Wood (23)
Aroldis Chapman (22)
Maloney (26)
Probably overstating the case about the plethora of young arms, but that is still a decent group.
I always liked the trade from the Reds persepctive, but mostly because I didn’t like it from the Rangers’ perspective. Texas always needed pitching, and they let one get away in that deal.
In the end, it probably ends up as a good deal for both sides.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course, this would require a few years of Volquez being healthy.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If Sandoval starts tonight
the Giants will have 2 players in their lineup (three with Lincecum) that were their Opening Day lineup in April. The Rangers will have 4.
That is why
as silly as it is to worry about a teams makeup in October, even in April, there is plenty of time to make changes. Remember when DeRosa was going to be the left fielder?
This made me laugh this morning.
What if . . .
JP really was the glue that held this team together? {gulp} {shudder} {faints}
by kinbote on Oct 26, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t that Elmer Dessens?
by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 26, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
I love doing these when I find out cool things, like Moreland and Kinsler being 17th round draft picks playing next to each other. How many 17th round picks even make the major leagues? I’d wager not many.
The pitching staffs are loaded with number one picks.
“The 2013 Dodgers will feature several late round draft picks including Jerry Sands (25th), Trayvon Robinson (10th), Allen Webster (18th), and Shawn Tolleson (30th).”
Speaking of Tolleson
Is there anything about whether he’s gonna be tried as a starter? He looks to have been a swingman in College, and it seems pretty silly after the season he had not to try him as a starter.
Shouldn't we see if he can get real minor league hitters out
even as a relief pitcher before we think he can be a starter?
...No?
I’d rather see him logging starter innings now and dropped back if he can’t hack it then left as a reliever and allow any secondary pitches he has that’re not needed out of the bullpen to atrophy.
Its not like the low minors have such a glut of starter prospects that he’ll be taking a slot from someone (potentially) better.
Actually we do have a full complement of starters in the A leagues
so unless he stays in a rookie league we have no room for him.
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Patterson or Ozoria or Castillo
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Eovaldi
Webster
Magill
I guess you could fit him in, I just don’t subscribe to the theory that because a 30th round pick can get rookie league hitters out as a relief pitcher that makes him a candidate for a rotation spot at the next level. It is one thing to be a late round pick as a high school guy or JC guy, but it is another to be one at his age and have the stuff that good hitters won’t tee off on. It may look like Logan did something right, but in a few years Tolleson will be gone from the system all the other late round college draft picks who got rookie league hitters out.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
There once was a man named Josh Lindblom
Who they made into a starter hopinghe’d bloom.
He threw way to much
Now his right arm is mush
And soon he’ll be sweeping a broom.
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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There once was a pitcher named Scott
And left arm potential he got
His control turned to shit
Then he opted to quit
He’s now left with just one last shot.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
are we talking about me?
Because I finished all my shots last night.
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First question of the interview: how is your control?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
In what context?
I had good control. I just sucked ass against lefties (I’m a righty) because my main pitches were Slider/fastball (in that order) and my slider had too much movement to throw under the hands of lefties. It either got left over the plate or it hit them.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I like this look at building the teams, very cool. However, didn’t Michael Young grumble quite a bit upon being asked to move?
http://www.mikesciosciastragicillness.com
He did ask to be traded when he first heard
the plans
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/01/13/scoop.young/
So looks like I whiffed on this one. I guess he did pull a John Valentin, I’ll make the change.
don't blame yourself
all the analysts are talking about how he moved for Andrus with no grumbling, like they don’t remember. I’m sure he’s happy he wasn’t traded now, haha.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but my expectations are higher then the TV analysts I make fun of.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
as they should be
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Great post, Phil. Despite the fact that the Giants are involved, these are two pretty interesting teams to watch. I expect it to be a good series.
yeah
my roommate told me she’s going to a bar tonight to watch the game “and see the Giants get destroyed.”
I like my roommate :)
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Would it be a mistake to say I never root for AL teams? I hate the DH, i can’t help it. I think it makes baseball about 900% less intelligent.
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by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
but then you get
double switches and shit
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Sure, but again that’s a fairly straightforward decision. Did my 7 or 8 hitter who’s probably not very good just hit? Then double switch.
It’s more than you get in the AL, but let’s not act like there’s deep thought going on here.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s more about bullpen use than offensive switches. No DH makes you have to decide between hitting for your pitcher in the 6th with a scoring opportunity in a close game, or do I let him hit and hope we get another chance later.
With the DH your bullpen use is much more cookie-cutter.
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I'm quite whack on that
I hate the DH with a passion, but I like many more AL teams then I do NL teams.
Two things I noticed
In the 2000 June draft’s 17th round, Harden, Napoli and Josh Willingham were selected, though never played together I don’t think. 2002: Brandon McCarthy/Russell Martin. 2003: Ian Kinsler. 2006: Josh Reddick. 2007: Moreland.
I’m not counting the 2008-2010 June drafts, but from 1998-2007 drafts:
35 of 300 17th round picks made an appearance in the major leagues, or almost 12%.
Of the 10 drafts, the 1998 17th round had the most major leaguers, and I think a few have played together. They are (Player (Pick/Team):Eric Hinske(3/Cubs), JJ Putz(6/Twins), BJ Ryan(7/Reds), Brian Lawrence(Padres/9), David Williams(15/Pirates), Colin Porter919/Astros), Ty Wigginton(21/Mets), Mike MacDougal(26/Orioles).
In 2007, Brian Lawrence played with David Williams on the Mets. How many times have two players been picked in the
same17th round and played together?
Note: I did not check to see if all 300 had actually signed their deals that year, though Williams and Lawrence did.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
And actually, a third thing
Harden made for 3 17th round picks playing together this year.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
Same here. I have no research to quantify this, but I feel like the 15-18 rounds is where yoy take flyers on high school kids you think will go to college. My guess is some of them sign anyway.
Also, my theory is that a kid who became draft eligible in 1998 wanted to sign because it was a really cool time to be a baseball player. On June 17th of that year McGwire had 33HR, Sosa had 25 and Griffey was right there with them
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The rotation was the only part of the 2005 Sox that didn’t have a ridiculous career year.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
So would grades be something like:
Draft – B-
Trades – D
Free Agents – C
International Signings – A
Waiver Wire – B+
I took the world series team "building" categories from the bottom of the post
And graded the Dodgers team(s) over the last few years.
Considering how much of a lottery the draft is
they should get no less than an A+ for being able to draft Billingsley, Kershaw, Kemp and Broxton. The otehr MLB starters are just icing on the cake.
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Excellent
This is a great write-up. I really enjoyed it.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions
Reading this
reminds me of how much I expect the giants to fall back to earth next year, unless Sandoval can get his swing back and Uribe/Huff/Torres can actually continue to produce, which I think is unlikely. They won’t suck with Posey and that pitching, but I don’t see them being this good next year.
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Huff and Uribe will continue to produce
for other teams.
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The pitching could get better
with Bumgarner in the rotation all year. They don’t have to build that good a team around that rotation. Nonwithstanding Sanchez’s implosion in the last game, he’s stuff is the kind of stuff that once the LHP can harness the control he can get better and better with age. Or he can turn into Oliver Perez, Dodger fans have to be hoping for that but I wouldnt’ count on it. I won’t kid you, that rotation scares the crap out of me and it is the rotation I’ve been worried about because I’ve always been a big fan of Sanchez’s stuff.
Look how far our pitching got us in the 2nd half, and it was pretty damn good for a stretch there
I’m not saying they won’t be competitive, but I think their offensive goes back to not being very good outside of Posey, unless Sandoval can get his swing back.
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Without increasing payroll?
How will they do that? Not saying they won’t but given what they’ve said about their salary level next year I don’t see them splurging on all those positions… Could see them bringing Ross back though of course.
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What is there to suggest they will though?
They weren’t big spenders this offseason, handing out a bunch of 3 million dollar contracts.
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We'll se
i they have the cash and if they can lure anyone to them. Them signing crawford would make me sad.
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They likely won't increase payroll
says this from last week
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/giants-wont-increase-payroll.html
of course they’ll make some money on making the WS which won’t hurt, but they were losing money beforethe playoff run. I don’t see them signing a bunch of high priced free agents.
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Huff/Uribe/Torres/Burrel are all on one year deals
right? And are probably going to want more then what they are currently signed for. Ross if they go to arbitration will get a raise of some sort, so it’ll be interesting to see what they do.
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Right
as that article points out
While the organization won’t spend tons of money this winter, Baer says that ownership will do what it can to keep the team in tact. Roughly $20MM will be coming off of the books this offseason but much of that will go to raises for Tim Lincecum, Mark DeRosa, Matt Cain, and Brian Wilson. Meanwhile, Cody Ross, Jonathan Sanchez, and Andres Torres will all be arbitration-eligible.
The Giants won’t be backing up a Brinks truck for a major free agent in the coming months but they have been able to find success on the cheap
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((PS: Mark DeRosa gets a raise? Heh.))
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Right
my point was never that they would buy a big time free agent, but that they would still upgrade at SS and the outfield. I can’t see them going into 2011 with Renteria/Uribe as their SS options.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if they do that
their offense won’t be as good as it is now imho, because of the inevitable regression of seemingly half of their offense. That pitching will still be scary good of course.
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Hopefully
I’d rather worry about us getting better then the Giants regressing.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll have to get better
even if they regress to overtake them anyways. As it stands their pitching and hitting right now with no major upgrades on our part their pitching and hitting will be better then ours anyways. Come on free agency!
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Agree with that
and by your line I thought you meant upgrade at all of the above: “2nd/SS/LF/RF” so yeah 2 of those I could see. No more than that given payroll.
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I have to say a lot of their success
is probably more luck then anything else. I imagine it will be almost impossible to replicate their success with Ross/Burrell/Torres/Uribe.Huff, even if they bring them all back next year, instead of going out and finding the next crop of cheap contributors ready to have career years.
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They have $74 million committed to 8 players next year (which includes $500k to buyout Renteria), and they have Jonathan Sanchez, Cody Ross, and some relievers up for arb. Posey, Sandoval, and Bumgarner being near league minimum will give them some room to maneuver though.
They do need 1B, SS, and at least one OF, keeping in mind Ishikawa and Schierholtz are still there too.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Crawford go there
then the Tigers can have the two best Crawfords to ever play the game 100 years apart.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crawfsa01.shtml
Man, the # of Giants bandwagoners on my FB feed is laughable
I’m staying out of it but I really wanted to post a quiz on the Giants to some of these people who haven’t said anything about the Giants in the previous say 16 months they’ve been on FB with me, because I bet I know more about them, or their team last year, etc, than many of them. (Not saying all, I know who the die-hard “true” fans are.)
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I’ve only ever had to take a break from facebook for two reasons. The first was when the Giants and Angels played in 2002, the second was because my friends were being dbags when Prop 8 came out.
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Damn. Date-dropping when you got onto facebook there.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
2002 I was a Junior in high school. So yeah, I had a facebook. I think. may have been MySpace back then.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
LIAR!
I’m not even sure if facebook existed back then, and if it did, it was only for certain universities.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Yeah
that’s why I switched to saying it wss probably MySpace I was thinking about. Facebook used to be cool because you had to have a .edu e-mail to get an account. Now, my parents are on my facebook and it feels like 1984.
I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.
I just refuse to add family
other then my bros and sis.
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Family is the reason I don’t spend much time on facebook.
My mom really likes facebook because she can see pictures and videos of her little nieces and nephews around the world.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
People need to use flicker more for photos
facebook sucks in my opinion for that.
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you who else should know better than to add you
your boss. One’s boss should know better than to Friend you on FB.
I actually added my boss
because I knew he didn’t give a fuck, but I thought long and hard abou tit first.
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see SNL my mom's on FB segment
My friend had to tell his mom to stop commenting on his posts so often bc that’s like hugging him in public when he was a kid.
My mom will randomly “like” weird videos and internet memes my brother posts.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
You are all doing it wrong
and are now paying the price.
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Also, how does one do it “right”?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Not adding their parents
and other people they don’t actually want to see status updates from, or to see their status updates.
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Well I guess that depends on if you really care about those things.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
If not then why even bother having one?
If I’m going to have one I’m going to make it actually useful.
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Totally age dependent on how to do it right or wrong
At my age, it is all about family and friends, staying in touch with the extended family all over the place, and friends all over the place. No one from work is allowed on my facebook page no matter how good a friend they are.
If I was 15 – 25 no way would I have let my parents have access to my facebook page, but once you start having a family it would be criminal not to let them in once you start your grownup phase. JMO
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I use it for the friend right now
and honestly would simply think of making a “family” specific account for those purposes later on, or simply using something like flicker to share photos and stuff.
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So situations are different and people use facebook for different things. I have a large extended family including cousins and nieces and nephews that are roughly my generation. I could not have a facebook account that excluded them, and including them and excluding others would be awkward and complicated.
The simple solution would be to be able to control who can see what better, from one account. Sigh, facebook privacy.
My experience with sharing photos is… even if flickr is a better place to upload, more people will actually look at pictures on facebook. So depending on the picture, showing a lot of people a low-res photo is better than showing a couple people a high-res one.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Agree with you on sharing photos
but its maddening. If I actually wanted to take those photos for myself I can’t, because they suck on facebook, but if I put them on flicker would anyone ever see them?
Facebook will never let you control any of that though, its not in their best interest.
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It would be no different if the Dodgers made the World Series
all of the sudden many of the people you had been working with all of the sudden will want to talk about them.
True, and I've certainly seen it with the Lakers
but it’s just highly concentrated for me given how many SF people I know, right now. Just amusing is all.
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I don't like talking to most people afk
about sports, because they tend to have no fucking clue as to whats going on with the team.
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Cool write-up here. Definitely interesting to think
how each team was built, a combination of good moves, sheer dumb luck, good drafting, etc.
Btw how has Smoak fared since he was traded? He seemed a disappointment but too young to make assumptions about yet.
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I kept thinking a guy named Smoak should be able to smoke the ball in the bigs
guess not.
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He’ll be fine, but I think his ceiling is closer to Lyle Overbay than anything.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It would really suck the 6th best organization in baseball
if they did not get an above average hitter for Cliff Lee.
Who'd they give up for Lee? Phillippe Aumont? How's he doing?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how to judge these trades. The fact that Lee was twice traded this year, and the price both times is busted prospect… I just gotta wonder if there really was a better deal out there.
I dunno. If I’m Zdurindsfjklsdfhjlkasd, then I just might pull the trigger on Smoak, too.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Look what the Astros got for Oswalt`
I just think the GMs are stupid.
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Well
Prospects are called prospects for a reason. I think I’d still rather have Smoak than Gillies and Aumont, but that could be just me.
Yes
but they got shitty prospects
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Its not hindsight
everyone was shocked at how little the Astros got for Oswalt. I mean this was like 3 months ago, not 3 years ago.
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I was talking about the two Cliff Lee trades.
Everyone knows Ed Wade is an idiot. Why even bring that up?
Why even bother to comment on my comment then?
The lee trades weren’t that long ago either, and even THEN a lot of people where scratching their heads.
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I just think the GMs are stupid.
This is possible in only one sense, I think. After we spend time investigating something, many, maybe most, of us pull the trigger even if it would be more optimal to do nothing. Lee may have provided more value to Seattle if they had held him, let him pitch, and then received the two picks for him. However, PERHAPS (I don’t know) after investigating the trade market for him, then trading him became a foregone conclusion and they took the best deal out there (Smoak).
I just can’t believe that Jack Z saw the offer for Smoak and then didn’t call, say, Brian Cashman. I can believe that he saw the offer for Smoak and didn’t stop to say, wait, would it be better if we just took the two picks when he leaves?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I just can’t believe that Jack Z saw the offer for Smoak and then didn’t call, say, Brian Cashman. I can believe that he saw the offer for Smoak and didn’t stop to say, wait, would it be better if we just took the two picks when he leaves?
Right, it makes no sense.
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The story was that Jesus Montero for Lee was done, then Jack Z used that as leverage to get Smoak.
Plus, he’s a 23 year old that had decent power and patience in his first tour in the bigs. Smoak is going to be a solid player, just not the type of guy that will lead you to a ring.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
As one of the many members of the Russell-Martin-Has-Done-Nothing-For-Us-Lately-So-Fuck-That-Guy club, I would have taken Jesus Montero in a New York Minute.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would rather have had Montero, but I can easily see why you’d take Smoak instead.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Phil, just wanted you to know I read the whole thing and I thought it was really, really excellent work.
Now with 33% more Kavula
I read the whole thing too
and now I’m wondering how the fuck does SF have a chance in this thing? Yet I still think they’ll win.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Pitching Pitching Pitching
in a close game whose bullpen do you think will close it out? I’m rooting hard for the Rangers, but I’d be betting on the Giants in six.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
and timely hitting
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Almonds are better
but nuts of any kind are a good source of protein and calcium, from my understanding.
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Fantastic
Top 5 episode. So many great one-liners in that episode.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that the Pine Barrens one, or am I thinking of something else?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Get some Postachios
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All I know is that back when the Atkins diet was hot, this guy I knew who tried it said being able to eat walnuts saved him from starving. Or something.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Agreed. Bananas and walnuts for breakfast = excellent cure for hunger.
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Nuts are filling
and a great source of protein.
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Great Article Phil
read every word.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
slacker
go back and finish your article, or no dessert for you.
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do it
DOOOOO EEEEEETTTTTTTT
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Jon posted a piece on Jerry Sands on DT
btw
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-thoughts/post/_/id/9159/jerry-sands-works-on-his-game
via Fangraphs piece
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TBLA Number One Prospect Jerry Sands
working on his short game.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully the TBLA #1 isn’t like the Madden Curse.
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be
I think Elbert was number one in 2008, Withrow in 2009, Sands in 2010
I don’t know what Reg did before 2008, but I’m betting on LaRoche in 2007 so there you go.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Whew
so if Sands can pan out the then the Eric reign is off the hook otherwise he’s put that curse notch next to his Andre Triple Crown notch.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
All the people who assumed the Riddler would be in the next batman movie where wrong. No Mr Freeze though :(.
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so who?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Nolan didn't say yet
Link because I’m awesome like that
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
No clue
Most of the iconic enemies that are left don’t fit in Nolan’s version of Batman, other then the Riddler and he just ruled that out. Catwoman would make sense as a character, but other then that I just hope they bring back two face.
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I don't think it will be any one major villian
The penguin could be fit in there though. I would like to see Talia Al Ghul. That could be cool.
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It also depends on whether they go to classic Batman characters
or more modern, dark Batman, which created some newer villains who were pretty interesting. (I’ve read more about this than I have actually read most of these comics, mind.)
We just know it won’t be the Riddler, Mr Freeze (he’s already said as much) and likely not Catwoman either. Like the Joker the Penguin was already done pretty memorably fairly recently in those other movies, but like the Joker that doesn’t rule him out. Still I’m betting on someone else.
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Do you think Nolan (or the studio) would stay away from using a more obscure villain because the general non-comic reading public wouldn’t be familiar with that character?
I don't think so
but I still think it will be more then one villain, and they won’t be the focus, and if they are the focus its because its two face/harvey dent.
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I, and I assume most of the people watching Batman Begins, had no clue who Rass Al Ghul was.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
They also did him
without using his supernatural angle(basically immortal), so I don’t rule out other supernatural villians right off, because they might simply tweak them.
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Indeed
I suspect once you get past the iconic villians, all thats really important is someone interesting that adds more to the story then a black hat and sinister Rollie Fingers ’stache.
So not the penguin?
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For some reason I assumed the penguin had a stache
sadly, he does not.
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I’m leaning towards the Penguin not really lending itself to this style of Batman. He’s a bit of a goofy character, after all.
I think it will be...
EGGHEAD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F825cdwotdM
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Eh
traditionally the Penguin is really just a mobster who is kinda short and fat and likes birds. He isn’t really that freakish, though some media has portrayed him that way.
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I'm no expert
but if I had to wager on the villain identity I would take Penguin (if I had to pick one not the field). Seems like Nolan could make a dark freakish bird-fish loving fat guy into a good character.
He isn't menacing enough to be the main
all of his motivation is money.
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that’s where I’m coming from. in both the films, Nolan has wanted to put lives in danger not just precious objects
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
I mean Penguin could be a great Scarecrow from Begins type side villian, but not the main.
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which is why I rule him out, cause I think Catwoman begs introduction, especially since female characters in this series have been recastable and forgettable
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It'll be here or Talia
Probably Catwoman though.
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Egghead: the man with the power of being bald.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Calender Man
he is really obsessed with dates.
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I make sure to google the humor out of everything.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I would never joke about Batman
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I envision you taking off glasses as you say this, just to add weight to it.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Who could take Vincent Prices place though?
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Damn, didn't even see this before posting
Was looking for clips of Vincent Price on Youtube, heh. So hammy.
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Two Face
died pretty hard last time, which shocked the hell out of me cause I thought Nolan was going for an Arkham Asylum setup not the old school villain has to due cow patties.
I’m thinking Catwoman plays the two-face gray area role next time, and we’ll need Dr. Croc or the stakes won’t be high enough
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm still hoping they redeem themselves
and bring two face back. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE killing off the villians in these movies. They just seem to do it because they feel they have to. Its stupid, it sucks, and I hate it.
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we’ll Nolan left Scarecrow and Joker alive, wasn’t his fault what happened to his Joker
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Killed Rahs(don't get me started on how bullshit that was)
and killed two face still.
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I always liked Deadshot's origin story.

From a wealthy Gotham family who hears what Batman is doing, and decides to become a ‘superhero’ and does a bunch of super heroics right in the open and the public eats it up. In reality, he’s also a leader of a gang of robbers, and he wants to kill Batman to take over Gotham.
His powers is basically the DC version of Bullseye.
This is pretty cool
Giants are shooting their wad, having all SF Giants HOFers throw out the first pitch tonight: Cepeda, Irvin, Marichal, Mays, McCovey & Perry
Tomorrow, Bobby Thomson’s two daughters will throw out the first pitch.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a team that believes it’s not coming back to SBC.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
McCovey
was one of my favorite all time players. Shame to see what age did to him. No Bobby Murcer?
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
If he comes back
that will be something.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Murcer and Bonds
in CGI throwing out the first pitch for Game 7
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Bonds wouldn't need CGI
He’s more than enough of a freakish caricature of himself already.
didn’t you see him at NLCS game 3? he’s svelt now
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
He meant Bobby, the dead one, as he and Murcer were once traded for one another.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
If someone named their fantasy team after both a Batman character and something out of the Joss Whedon universe, it might just be time to swallow a bullet.
You could just search our comments section.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm hoping
as well as SHIELD we get some SWORD, and Eliza Dushku plays Agent Brand
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I was going to say I doubt it
but then again Whedon is in charge. I doubt that would happen till at least the 2nd avengers movie.
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true
that might be too much to introduce in one movie. I just think Eliza would make an awesome Agend Brand
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I have soured on her
I mean she would be great in that role, but the decision to make her the main in Dollhouse is a big part of why that show failed imho. She doesn’t have range.
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oh most definitely. that show became fun when it went ensemble, but then it had to wrap up the entire thing by the end of season 2 and ended sorta eh.
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Still haven't finished two
was waiting for it to hit blue rizay. That Victor fellow was quite the actor though.
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oh my yes. they really let him loose in s2
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
By SHIELD you mean
Nick Fury
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this is getting confusing. With Iron Man 1 and Hulk 2, they were setting up SHIELD but as relates to SHIELD forming the Avengers. Iron Man 2 didn’t mention the team, but we got a more active SHIELD.
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Avengers is the movie
it is already on a schedule. They have to make Thor first so they can slide him into it.
I was hoping that they’d find a way to bring Namor in as a star wars underwater BIG MOVIE.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Thor is currently in post-prod, Avengers is scheduled to start shooting in Feb, and after that we will likely see a SHIELD and a Namor movie among others.
all I want is the X-men reboot to fit into this universe. And for Wolverine to be recast so I can start forgetting that lump of coal
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
How long does Sony have the rights?
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er fox
got mixed up with spidey
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Yeah thats what I was thinking
man Marvel must regret whatever deal they made.
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No
without the X Man booting the whole Marvel Comic Book Series they may not have survived as a company. I’ve posted this before but for anyone who loves comics and watching big business take in the ass the Comic Book Wars is a great read.
http://www.amazon.com/Comic-Wars-Tycoons-Battled-Empire/dp/0767908309
It is how the the Marvel you love today was born.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
I think they regret the length, not that there was ever a deal. I mean they basically have no hope of ever getting that franchise back. Probably the same for Spider Man, and those are there heaviest hitters.
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Sure
but in the end they needed to make a deal to get someone in Hollywood to make a movie and they had no leverage whatsoever when they made the X Men Deal. Marvel was barely surviving when X Men came out, and it made all the difference between a struggling franchise the billionaire dollar enterprise that Disney eventually purchased.
Hell just getting Spiderman back so they could re license it was the biggest thing they ever did. They made more off of SM Toy sales with each movie Sony made then any other revenue stream until they made their own movies.
They also sold the rights to Iron Man but were lucky enough to get it back when the studio did not make the movie in the time frame allotted. They also got Hulk back the same way. Which is why they are able to make an Avengers movie, at one time that never looked possible.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed all around
This is a total case of hindsight, I mean they signed the deal in the early 90s, and probably had no expectations that things would turn out as ganbusters as it has.
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wishful thinking
Fox already has X-Men: First Class, X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2, and Deadpool in the works
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
Do they have the rights forever?
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The rights revert back to Marvel after x number of years without a film.
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Ouch
so never. at least first class doesn’t sound like it will be as bad as X3
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The Wolverine flick
really confuses me though. Are we now saying that Wolverine is an old man when Scott and Emma Frost are adults. Cause that’s not right
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't even bother to watch it
so I don’t know
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Its been that way for a while. Just be glad that the movie didn’t incorporate the Lupine crap that the comics introduced recently.
Wolverine is not a mutant at all but part of a group of wolves that evolve with humans and live thousands of years.
Wait what? When was this?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
oh, I’m one of those that thinks everything that doesn’t appear in the flagship book is just fanzines
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
They made a big deal over Origins
but I have never heard anything good about it.
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The best thing that came out of it was Wolverine’s son, Daken.
He’s basically what Angelus would have been if he was a Marvel character.
Amoral, bisexual, and manipulative.
I read that as Draken, which reminds me of Craken, which made me laugh. Good job!
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Wolverine’s healing factor makes him age very slowly. In the comics he’s an old man, despite appearing to be in his 30’s or whatever.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
That makes sense. I’ve never read Wolverine’s introduction to the group. I always assumed he was Scott’s age since he was always hitting on Jean Grey
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Its often kept vague in the comics
But he’s somewhere in the 100-150 range.
The first movie even mentions it, just doesn’t go into any detail. Jean says that his healing makes him look considerably younger than he is, and says he’s likely even older than Professor X.
The Marvel Wiki says he was born in the late 1800’s.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
okay
yeah I forgot all the preamble stuff from the Wolverine flick, where he was born during the Civil War era. Still, he’s like Angel for me, I understand that he’s 100+ years old but it’s not really sticking for me.
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I doubt that happens though I believe there is some chance that the Fantastic Four will revert back to Marvel and be brought into the MCU.
Fox is already planning a Fantastic Four reboot
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure why
loved the comic but none of the four have ever been that interesting enough to carry off a movie
by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
My theory: why would anyone want to make Jessica Alba invisible?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Because each of the movies
made money. In the end that is why movies are made.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
How in the world
was I not aware Joss is involved in CA and the Avengers?
I fail at fanboidom.
happened recently
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over the summer, it was announced at Comic-Con
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Tron 2 looks
awesome
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is there context for this? Also, BFDC and I are no longer friends
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to combine as many things as possible that I don’t care about into one sentence.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry not really a comic guy. Guess I could have caught him as the writer in some of his tv/film. Too bad the Wonder Woman movie didn’t get made. That would could have been cool.
He is mostly known for his TV
comics came later.
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I'm impressed with the number of members
who took the time to manually vote.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/26/1776381/dodgers-2011-1-prospect-run-off
Plus I spied about 5 – 10 new names I’d never seen before.
Who's winning?
I assume Sands?
Impressed that Lee was almost No. 1. I remember when we signed him (Boy was that a day) and many crowned him our No.1.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Was tight between Lee and Sands for a while
then Sands really started to run away. Jansen was never really in the picture.
Top two Batman villians have been the Joker from both series. JMO
I thought the 2nd batman of the new series was the best of this genre.
Top Five:
Batman Two – Movie Two
Iron Man One
Spiderman Two – Octopus Man
Sin City
Batman One – Movie One
Your notation is confusing
Dark Knight
Iron Man
Spiderman 2 – Alfred Molina as Dr Octavious
Sin City
Batman – Directed by Tim Burton starring Keaton, with Joker played by Nicholson.
I nail it?
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Not really a super hero movie
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The Genre for me was Comic Book origins made into movies
not Super Hero.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
aye
How about Men In Black?
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Great movie
but doesn’t make my top five. It is a great group of movies, which is awesome because for years I wondered why my comic books weren’t being made into movies.
On that note I probably read 500 Sci Fi books growing up and all of them were better then any Sci Fi movie ever made other then first two Alien movies.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I mostly brought it up
because its one of the ones that most people never knew was based on a comic
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I thought Ghost Rider was fairly well done, and was always one of my favorite comic characters. Still, nowhere near my top five I don’t think.
Spider-Man was the one I was most disappointed by. He was my favorite comic character, and I despised the movies. The first was okay, two was horrible, and I still haven’t even seen three.
Ghost Rider was a joke of a movie
Don’t see how anyone who was a fan of the SM comic did not enjoy the first two SM movies.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Some people really hated them for some reason
Reasons I can think of
-Kirsten Dunst
-Over emphasing Mary Jane right off the bat instead of the other girl(whatsername?)
-Toby McGuire
-Goblins shitty costume
I fully enjoyed the first two myself.
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In this case, its Liz Allen.
Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy weren’t introduced in the comics until Peter was in his college years.
Well they basically skipped
high school for the most part.
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If you followed the comics totally
you’d be making some really bad movies. Has anyone read the first Thor comic?
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but the movies made the mistake of making Mary Jane too central of a character to Peter’s life.
Her whole appeal in the comics was that she was the whirlwind that shook up Peter’s personal life. The movie made her plain Jane from down the block.
Right
Mary Jane was this sorta unattainable vision of perfection in the comics for a long time, they sorta danced around the possibility but it always came apart cause Peter was constantly torn between her and being Spider-Man. That whole aspect was completely glossed over in the movies.
Really?
Him walking away at the end of the first film, and a big chunk of the 2nd film being devoted to that is glossing over?
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I still can’t make sense of the leak of the 4th movie script.
Part of me can’t believe its real because it seems like such a mess. Like why use the Vulture in the first place?
I'm assuming its going to suck
and ignoring it till told otherwise
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Okay, maybe not the torn aspect
But Mary Jane was a completely different character and for no obvious reason.
Hardly a mistake
based on how well it did. Were not talking the Punisher here.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Financial success
hardly makes the hardcore fan happy.
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Its a fine line to walk
but sometimes I feel like the writers and directors just change way too much, simply so they can take “authorship” of it, if that makes sense.
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I agree with that
which is why Marvel wanted so badly to have their own studio so the idiots at Fox could not destroy their franchise. SM3 is also the result of a director ego getting out of control. Seems by the time they get to three they go crazy. I’m scared what they will do with Iron Man 3.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of SM3 made no sense to me
Just bad decisions all around, and based on what I’ve seen from the trailers of Brothers, they failed to let Toby play a proper angry dude, and then proceeded to ruin venom/eddie brock in every way they could think of.
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The biggest problem with SM3 was Sony pushing Raimi to use Venom, because the fans wanted it. Raimi stated he didn’t like Venom as a character.
So he made him suck
to punish the studios?
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This has to be the only explenation
that explains that dance sequence.
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It does not age well
but given the context of when it was made leading to this onslaught of technical marvel, I loved it coming out of the theatre. If you saw it for the first time today, yeah, I could understand being underwhelmed.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Underwhelmed yeah
but hating it?
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No, don't undestand that
unless you don’t like the genre in the first place, and if that is the case then don’t watch the movie.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Although to be fair
I hate the original Batman movie(Burton) because of the ending where he starts throwing people off the clock tower, so I probably shouldn’t be throwing stones.
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I liked the movies
but thought Dunst and McGuire (to a lesser extent) sucked.
McGuire looked the part
But just never pulled off the character IMO. And yea, Kirsten Dunst was a big part of it too, not so much because I don’t like her (I actually like her alright) I just thought she was a horrid Mary Jane.
Spiderman 2 still may be the best comic book movie of all-time
The Dark Knight likely surpassed it, though.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
All Batman villains remain comic figures to me
based upon my original viewing of them on the “Batman” television show.
bleh
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Well when you are
5-6 and Cesar Romero is the Joker, its hard to think of someone who goes around and indiscriminately kill people without a conscious.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Hah
yeah, the fun thing about it is getting to see all these characters re imagined in a different way, I just say bleh because of how it looped back and affected the comics for a very long period.
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I mean the show was entertaining
its just not how I like to think of the Bats
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I really enjoyed that show when I was a kid. But I saw The Animated Series shortly after, so that put a serious face on Batman for me pretty early.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
same here
except for me it was Animated Series first, then 80s Batman comics, and the live action Batman nevers
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Satchel Price at Beyond the Box Score took a look at the potential non-tender candidates for the Dodgers.
Decent job
agree with everything but Theriot, to much money for what he brings.
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I have already resigned myself into thinking Theriot will be back anyway.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, you generally don’t trade for a guy that you wouldn’t give three million.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
but if you think like Ned, you needed a new 2nd baseman if you needed to include DeWitt in the Cubs trade. But then there was also Mike Fontenot, who may be similarly crummier, costs a whole bunch less than Theriot would have been.
I’m not sure why the dodgers couldn’t sign Kelly Johnson. Dodgers had to be more attractive than the D’backs after 2009.
We had no money and Kelly Johnson was piss awful in 2009.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You know who else was piss awful in 2009?
Ryan Theriot. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml
Kelly Johnson also signed for $2 million in 2010. For a man who bet on Padilla, Kelly Johnson wasn’t that big of a risk.
Hell of a lot better than Kelly Johnson was.
I mean you’re asking why they didn’t sign him. Ned usually doesn’t sign guys coming off terrible years.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Andruw Jones says hello
I know you said usually, but just couldn’t resist throwing that in there
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Theriot 2009: .284/.343/.369 multi-year: Batting – 107, Pitching – 106 · one-year: Batting – 111, Pitching – 110 OPS+, 83
Kelly Johnson 2009: .224/.303/.389 multi-year: Batting – 99, Pitching – 98 · one-year: Batting – 96, Pitching – 95, OPS+ 82
Ned Colletti knows how offensive a park that Wrigley Field is. And somebody in that office has to know what Park Factors are.
UZR rates Kelly’s defense from below average to average. B-Ref thinks he’s been above average.
UZR rates above average to average but below average in 2010. B-Ref alternates Theriot’s defense from above average to below average years.
We were talking about 2009. Theriot was clearly better than Johnson.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I should have followed through with my original plan to ignore you until November
2009 was clearly the subject here, which is what Reg talked about, and which are the offensive numbers you provided.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Same OPS+, Theriot’s on base was 40 points higher plus Theriot was a shortstop and not a second baseman.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Which might mean something, but this is a team that went with Blake DeWitt to start the season. A player who the Dodgers thought had known defensive issues.
The time frame plays a role here. The club decided to go with DeWitt to start the season, but called an audible.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d be stunned if we non-tender Loney. Not that there aren’t better 1B on the market, but because almost none of the criticism the management had on the team centered on Loney.
Me too
and also because I think he has trade value anyway.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Why is Billingsley on a list of “potential non-tenders”? I know he says he’s an obvious tender, but still.
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
there's a part of me
that wants to non-tender Russell Martin and let Barajas have the job, which seems likely since BJs already on board. But I worry we’re not replacing him talent wise, and won’t be saving enough money to find an equally talented replacement
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone forgets
that Ellis is going to be awesome
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key word going to be. How far away is he from putting up Russell Martin numbers?
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
September 2010
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Wait, which version of Martin?
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well not this years obviously. But I guess you’re arguing that Russell shall never return to form and we only need replace a broken shell of a man
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to bring martin back for around 4 million
and give him more days off with Barajas or Ellis. I’m not ready to completely give up on Martin, but I don’t think he will ever be the hitter he once was.
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I’ll take that to the bank and cash it
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A good villain is hard to create because
I really believe that a good villain (to use good in the sense of being believable and effective). That is why to me, the best in popular culture in the last 40 years are Darth Vader (especially in Episodes iV and V) and Voldemort.
I thought Heath Ledger’s Joker was pretty awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was overrated
As was the entire film
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know.
I’m not a big movie guy. I didn’t find anything awesome about his performance. I thought he whispered alot and walked crouched over. That’s the sum total of his acting from my point of view.
But I’m a much better baseball critic than film critic.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The reason I liked Ledger because the Joker was believable as someone who was (a) diabolical, and (b) didn’t give a fuck. It was different than most villains IMO.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
There was an extra darkness to him that I enjoyed.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
and crazy as fuck
which is probably part of b
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But to those points
What does that have to do with Ledger? How did he specifically communicate that to you as opposed to how the character was written?
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess that could apply to any character ever
His portrayal of The Joker was what I liked. I don’t know how to separate the two.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
he was also profound and unpredictable
and funny
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
For every ten people who loved it
there is one Michael White. Although I can agree that the film was overrated, although probably not to the degree you do.
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it's not a crowdpleaser
but I always thought Hal 9000 from 2001 was a fantastic villain…there’s of course no charisma there, but it’s just that much more insidious.
nice post, btw.
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Haha. The “no charisma” line cracked me up.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I love HAL 9000
2001 just misses the cut if we’re talking 40 years.
Some other great performances are Nurse Ratched, Michael Corleone (Part II), Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men and Malcolm McDowell in A Clockwork Orange. I’d probably rate all of those over Voldemort.
good ones
I forgot about the 40 year thing…Alex in Clockwork is the only one we’re really asked to sympathize with too! Figures, Kubrick. Jack Torrance ain’t bad either from the Shining. Oh and the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket!
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Some other Villains I like:
Agent Smith – The Matrix
Bill – Kill Bill vol. 2
Hans Gruber – Die Hard
The Terminator
Jack – The Shining
Keyser Soze – The Usual Suspects
John Doe – Seven
Patrick Bateman – American Psycho
Non-serious Villains
Dark Helmet – Spaceballs
Dr. Evil – Austin Powers
Mugatu – Zoolander
Kim Jong il – Team America
Shooter McGavin – Happy Gilmore
Only one man would dare give me the Raspberry!
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Clew Haywood: Major League
Barbara Hershey: The Natural
R.J. Fletcher: UHF
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to root for the bad guys in wrestling
Does that count?
Favorite wrestler was Triple H
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hate hate hate Triple H. He’s a complete dick and I’m not just talking about his character.
My all-time favorite wrestler is Bret Hart.
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Never got his glasses but I did meet him at the Pasadena Convention Center. Great guy. Fantastic autobiography as well.
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course. Saw it the day it came out on A&E.
Like I said, I was a hardcore wrestling fan in those days. :)
by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I also had a thing for Stephanie McMahon.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that supposed to be a deal breaker?
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of principle
I don’t like Bret Hart for the same reason I don’t like Mat Latos. Not enough T’s in his first name.
Seven was such an awesoke movie
The scene with the rotting dude in the bed, ceiling strung with car air fresheners… first time I saw it, when he first moved I put a skylight in my bedroom ceiling.
Scariest Villain I can remember recently
was Vidal in Pans Labyrinth by Sergio Lopez
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Enders Game
Is this book ever going to be a movie?
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
Considering that they are letting Roland Emirich
direct Foundation, I hope not.
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That would be an interesting movie
Would be a challenge to do it really well, but I’d love to see ti attempted. Was a seriously awesome book.
It would take two great child actors. And then it would seal their fates to become cocaine addicts and daily highlights on TMZ, so now that I think about it…let’s just leave that one alone.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hadn't even thought about that
Yea, it would be a real challenge to find kids that could carry that movie. Its one thing to have a movie like Harry Potter where kids are the central characters, but Enders Game, kids would be practically the entire cast.
Well in harry potter
they got a bit lucky too, the first two movies the acting was meh, but got better as they got older. Plus enders game is much more serious.
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OT: managerial news.
Joe Girardi is nearing a 3-year, $9.5m extension with the Yankees, per Jon Heyman (and Joel Sherman)
I like the guy
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I think he’s been busy with work, banging waitresses two at a time, and preparing for the Colts’ next crushing playoff loss.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
it’s annoying to wait for a drink when he does that.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate my job.
It’s not that I hate where I work…it’s just not what I want to do anymore, and I don’t give a shit.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm. We might have a competition brewing here.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My boss just gave me shit for taking off work next month. I gave them 6.5 months notice that I want 2 days off in November.
I told him to I’m out in 30 days. He is on his way here right now.
He is the definition of weak sauce
It sounds like my wifes workplace
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“You know how important this time of year is for us. We can’t afford to have you out for a day.”
My response
“Well I’m out on Wednesday the 11th and back on Sunday. I’m not cancelling.”
Take it to the man!
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
That seems absurd on your boss’s part.
Rip him a new one, Keith.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The important question is this:
What would actually happen if you were out for a day or two? i.e. What would not get done and would it have any real impact on your company?
Production would drop about 10 percent for the 2 days.
I have also scheduled to work extra Saturdays. Every Saturday until the end of the year the doors will be open.
Everyone that works here is an hourly employee except the the guy that will be here for everyone of them.
ME
I’m guessing a few GFY would be warranted this afternoon.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You have Harry Potter’s phone number?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
I would throw it away if I did!
My wife loves that stuff, but I can’t get into it.
I was referring to Hewlitt Packard
LOL
That seems almost too tall
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Hah I meant life in general
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Speaking of The Avengers
Anyone watching Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes? It debuted last week, though there were 20 micro-episodes released prior to the debut. I am really liking this show so far. New episode on tonight.
(Yeah, I watch cartoons. So what?)
Jon Weisman’s one of the writers for the new Ultimate Spiderman movie, and his brother is the showrunner.
I need to catch up on my cartoons
Between all the DC movies and now Marvel I feel way behind.
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Greg is doing Young Justice, I thought. Do you mean the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon that is supposed to be in development?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Spider-Man#Television
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I wasn't even aware it existed
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Ah, that's what those were, micro-episodes
Caught some of them with my kids, thought they were well-done.
And, yes, I read the whole thing, Phil. Very nice, thanks.
OK, back to work.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
To bring it back to baseball
“But you look at doing the job he has done for the amount of years he has done it, and transitioning from a team that was built around Barry (Bonds) to another team that is now built around a pitching staff, largely drafted and in-house, that’s tough to do. Think about a franchise going to the World Series twice in nine years, that’s pretty good.”
I don't think MCC agrees.
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Here's the thing
they may not agree but if they win it all, do they really care?
I have had this argument before with others, in the end, does it matter how wisely (in your opinion) your team was put together or does a title justify the means.
Certainly, statistics like WAR or VORP, BABIP or FIP are valid data points for discussion but all it takes is a waiver pickup to hit a few home runs and those things just fall by the wayside.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but it also shouldn’t necessarily be a credit to the GM.
Hell, how long were we stuck with Fred Claire because of ’88?
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It matters in the long run
you don’t want to keep hopping he gets lucky and decisions like playing Bengie over Posie for half the year don’t kill your season.
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Didn’t that actually work out perfectly though? They still made the World Series and they get an extra year of Posey.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And if they missed the playoffs by game, its looks like the worst decision possible. However he did it, Sabean completely lucked into this season in terms of offensive production, and he almost butchered the one semi sure thing he had in Posey.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And if they missed the playoffs by 10 games like people thought they would, it looks good again.
It’s like the Mets paying Bobby Bonilla until 2025 or whatever, there’s plenty of ways we can make fun of Sabean, why make fun of something that can be justified?
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Molina was crap
and they barely made it into the playoffs.
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He had an OPS of 74
60 with the Rangers. I’m pretty sure MCC isn’t going to start loving Sabean even if they win this thing.
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Because a team that is contending (yes, with their pitching i thought they would contend this year, and I’m sure they thought the same) should never keep a player in the minors for contract reasons.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True. I guess if you think “signing Aubrey Huff, Juan Uribe, Freddy Sanchez, and Mark DeRosa will lead me to the playoffs” like Sabean totally would, you have to have Posey there.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Or because their pitching was so good and nobody in the West was a clear dominant team, any offensive help should have been there from the beginning.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had to guess without looking
I would say Ned Colletti?
Whats the bust factor for TBLA?
How many mods would it take to disable the site?
bus factor is an irreverent measurement of concentration of information in a single person, or very few people. The bus factor is the total number of key developers who would need to be incapacitated, (as by getting hit by a bus) to send the project into such disarray that it would not be able to proceed.1
One? Two?
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Heh, you said bust.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
oops should have said Bus
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Bust factor
Boob Talk enters Day Three
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
that Katy Perry sure has some bazoomazooms
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It feels like most of my projects have a negative bus factor.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
I would like to think my company in general has a bust factor of at least 3, although I’m pretty sure there are a number of projects that could be labeled as a one.
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Right
but if Eric goes down, how many more would have to go before it would fall to anarchy? None? You? DY, MW?
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Not to be humble
but if Eric and I were on the same bus, I think it would take a while to get this gig back under control. Mike, Brandon, and Dave all have full time gigs that they can’t really take the time from that would be needed to run the site. The worst nightmare would be SBNation panicking and hiring Steve Dilbeck to run the site:) The best would be signing Kensai or Mike. Or we could just let Tripon run it.
If that bus did indeed hit us, who among the current posters would you like to see take over the site?
Josie and Maddz
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LETS MAKE THE GURLZ DO IT
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There appears to be an echo in here
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Exactly
I have railed against facebook to much for my pride to allow me to use it often, so I need an alternative.
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Track down DT’s Steve and D4P and let them do it.
Oh, wait — you want to AVOID anarchy.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Tripon
lol, because he would use his powers for evil! If Michael White and David Young had the time I would say stick with them, but maybe we could coax andrew out of retirement in our time of need…
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Do you really want a once a week update of dick jokes and “ironic” pun based nicknames.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
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Then have I got a Twitter feed for you!
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, but I work best as a spot starter running the weekend wheel when Eric is on vacation and deleting pictures without headings on it.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Good enough
you would just have to promote a bunch of commentators to writers and between the billionty of them you would get enough articles to fill the week. Works at Battle Red Blog.
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spc7, bearface and rolex.
Let’s get the “i’ve been banned” gang back together.
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
spc7 is the granick guy.
Bearface was a dick who called out Eric leading to a “Go fuck yourself” and banning.
Rolex was the Billingsley basher (we purged all of them)
by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome
Getting the banned back together.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You were so close to the great pun!
“Let’s get the banned back together.” That’s what you meant!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Note to self: don’t take any bus rides with Phil.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually Craig would make the most sense
but he’d have to come out from hiding and I don’t think he can do that. I say that because common sense is a big part of running a blog like this and among all the posters here, he has the most common sense of everyone. He’d have to remove his thin skin.
I could be the site's
beat reporter, but you’re right, I’d basically run this like a better written Dodgers.com facebook page
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you just diss Maddz?
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let’s make the girls do it? ….
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
no she’s implied as my partner in crime, she can beat report Chattanooga!
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait you said dodgers.com
hah, I was thinking along the lines that she runs the tbla facebook page.
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oh, look at you stirring up trouble. ain’t no wedge can be driven between me and Maddz
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If that bus did indeed hit us, who among the current posters would you like to see take over the site?
by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:33 PM PDT
If meercat goes down, I want Phil Gurnee running the joint.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not surprising
Yankees declined options on Berkman, Wood, and Nick Johnson. Add a couple more 1B to the available pool.
Well, one at least.
I’d rather sign Phil than Nick Johnson.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey that man would put up a sick on base for 25 games.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He's Larry Bowa's nephew/godson/whatever
He only knows how to play the game one way
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Word was he was going back to the Astros
but you never know
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*shrug*
I was under the impression there was some sort of agreement when he was traded that they wouldn’t pick it up so he could come back to Houston.
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That’s like saying we shouldn’t sign a left fielder this year because we have Jerry Sands.
Please don’t agree with that statement.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite sure how that is the same
since one game ended the year as the first baseman while the other guy ended the year in AA.
I had no idea Wallace actually played in the bigs last year.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
159 plate appearances
of craptular performance.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wallabr01.shtml
Right
I’m just leery of a prospect like Wallace getting passed around like broccoli at the thanksgiving table. Reminds me of Marte and we know how that turned out. In the end I’m going to bet he will not hit enough to become a useful 1st baseman.
At least Marte had the performance. Wallace hasn’t done a thing since A ball.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
but I can see the justification for giving the kid the chance to start the year and not blocking him with a Fat Pelvis
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
But now he looks like a platoon 1st baseman
when Marcus Thames is playing over you, non one thinks you can hit LHP.
I’d play Marcus Thames against lefties over almost anyone.
by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is a question
Bill Hall at 2B? Would it work? I know he has played there some but I don’t know if he is any good there. Not good at getting on base but still has some pop. I would think that he would cost about what Theriot will get in arb.
Bill Hall just stopped hitting 3 years ago. If it wasn’t for his contract, he’d be out of the league by now.
Nah, he's fine for a utility guy
just not okay with the money he was getting. The guy can play 2nd, SS, 3rd, and the outfield, hits left handers, that guy is someone I’d love to have on my bench. And I’m saying this without looking at his splits.
For some odd reason
He hit RHP better last year. By a lot.
Career-wise his splits are pretty even but favor hitting against LHP.
Agreed
I wouldn’t mind him as a spot starter
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Red Sox were only responsible for $1.25 million of Hall’s contract last season.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He got 382 PA last season that had nothing to do with his contract. That is a far cry from being out of the league.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that Casey Blake isn’t w/o flaws. He just needs more days off.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The Defensive metrics think Blake plays defense at 3rd pretty well.
UZR 3 year sample has him at 7th among 3B with a +5.4 rating
And B-Ref has him the 36th best defensive 3B ever.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_3b_career.shtml
Giants lineup
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Huff 1B
Uribe 3B
Renteria SS
Lincecum P
Oh shit thats today
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Go Fuck Yourselves Giants
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by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
YOU KNOW WHO I BLAME FOR THIS DEBACLE?!?!
CARLOS RUIZ!!! FUCK YOU RUIZ!!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
who is going to ‘dh’ for the giants? pandoval? more like designated double play grounder intoer amirite
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
4 players from the Giants Opening Day lineup
Uribe played second that day. Entirely different outfield.
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
DeRosa LF
Molina C
Bowker RF
Uribe 2B
Lincecum P
if vlad is a potential liability in the field why is he playing rf? its not like rf in phone booth park is a cakewalk
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He still has a cannonn arm doesn't he?
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I so said that too! I knew a baseball thing.
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
cause apparently he’s only played left like once in his career or something like that, and it was this year
by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Rangers lineup
Andrus SS
Young 3B
Hamilton CF
Guerrero RF
Cruz LF
Kinsler 2B
Molina C
Moreland 1B
Lee P
Seems like a good time for part two
Not the biggest fan of a thread that asks what would happen if Eric and Phil were killed off.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/27/1776435/so-that-is-how-a-world-series-team-is-built-part-two
Eric do you want to add the lineups to the comments section?
We ask because we care
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