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So this is how you build a World Series team - Part One

ARLINGTON TX - JULY 29:  Mitch Moreland #18 of the Texas Rangers hits a single for his first major league hit during play against the Oakland Athletics on July 29 2010 at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington Texas.  (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

I've watched just about every game of this post season, and the one thing I never hear mentioned by the announcers is how did these teams get built. Sure Moreland is the first baseman, but how did this unheralded rookie end up manning 1st base for the World Series bound Texas Rangers?  Then again I spend a good amount of the time watching these games on mute so it is possible I've just missed this part of the incredible information that TBS or Fox impart upon us, usually through insipid sideline reporting.

So maybe you've heard this before, maybe not, but here goes.

1st Base Rangers - Chris Davis was supposed to the answer at 1st base, and if he wasn't the answer then Justin Smoak was ready to take the reins of the job that was expected to be his ever since he was drafted with the 11th pick of the 2008 draft. Chris Davis was only 22 years old when he hit the major leagues with a big bang in 2008, hitting 17 home runs in only 317 at batting posting a robust .547 slug%.  The future looked bright for Davis if you looked past the 88 K's. So in 2009 the job was handed to Davis but he fumbled it striking out 150 times in less then 400 at bats. He still hit his home runs but not enough to hold the job. In 2010 he was given two chances. His first chance came at the beginning of the season but he was awful, hitting just .188 through April 22nd. Meanwhile Justin Smoak was smoking in AAA so they switched jobs. Smoak was not much better hitting only .209 in 275 at bats. When Texas needed an ace they sent their top hitting prospect Justin Smoak to the Mariners for Cliff Lee and stuck Chris Davis back at 1st base. This was Chris Davis's final putt to make par, and it didn't go in. From July 9th - July 28th he was the regular 1st baseman, but again could not get his average above .200, and worse he didn't hit one home run. With no other choice the Rangers turned to 24 year old Mitch Moreland, an after thought in the 2007 draft, when he was picked in the 17th round. Moreland however had done nothing but hit since being drafted, and was up to the task.  From July 29th through the end of the year Moreland was the number one 1st baseman against RHP, and he delivered a solid .833 OPS, showing excellent plate discipline and just enough power to make the pitchers pay if they hit the strike zone.  Mitch Moreland's success after the debacle at bats from Davis and Smoak is one of the biggest surprises of the 2010 season. To handle LHP, the Rangers traded for Jorge Cantu, but the man who put up a .923 OPS for the Marlins in April did nothing for the Rangers. He was so bad against LHP that in the end Moreland was even getting those at bats.

1st Base Giants - You could argue that Aubrey Huff was the best free agent signing of 2010. For only 3 Million the Giants replaced a huge hole with a bonafide slugger. Huff had hit in the past but his heyday was 2002 - 2004, and steroid rumors plagued him considering how far he dropped off from 2004 to 2007. However he put some of the that to rest when he bounced back with a big year for the Orioles in 2008.  In 2010 Huff put up an OPS+ of 138, his second best OPS+ of his career.  I remember reading where Huff's right field power would die with the Giants but the experts were wrong, the power didn't die, it exploded.  If you have been watching the playoffs you almost might have noticed just how well Huff hangs in against LHP. Having watched Loney and Andre basically give up every at bat this year against LHP, I just figured every left handed hitter was a pussy against LHP. Uh, no. Huff hits lefties hard. Very hard.

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2nd Base Rangers - Ian Kinsler was a 17th round pick of the Rangers back in 2003. Quick name me one other team that has two 17th round picks manning the right side of the infield? Or two in the same lineup? Beats me but I doubt if anyone is doing that. Kinsler flew through the system and was the starting 2nd baseman by 2006. When healthy he's as good as Robinson Cano. Kinsler's only problem is staying healthy,  and he had trouble doing that in 2010. However he learned some new tricks in 2010. Known mostly as a home run hitting 2nd baseman he lost some power in 2010 but gained more back with his new found patience, as he jumped his walk rate to 13% netting him a .380 OB%. 

2nd Base Giants - I don't even have to hit the reference material to talk about Freddie Sanchez. He was the star of Burbank at Burbank HS , the smallish kid was a freak during his high school run. According to my niece who went to high school with him, he was also a very cool kid who didn't have attitude to go along with his success. He eventually was a 11th round pick by the Boston Red Sox, a cause for much celebration in the Gurnee household being that my nieces dad and thus my niece were huge Red Sox fans.  The Giants picked up Freddie in 2009 when they traded once heralded prospect Tim Alderson for him.  Then signed him to a two year deal worth 12 Million.  He was not much use in 2009 due to injuries, but in 2010 he did a solid job for the Giants, posting a 98 OPS+. His .342 OB% was the highest since his mostly forgotten 2006 season when he lead the league in hitting with a .344 average.

SS  Rangers - Elvis Andrus is a magician with the glove, but the trade that brought him to the Rangers was the greatest trick in the book. With Mark Teixeira needing to be traded in 2007 Jon Daniels the Ranger GM was known for having traded Adrian Gonzalez / Chris Young for crap then for anything good he'd ever done. He needed a win when he traded Teixeira or his franchise would be in trouble. To get this win he needed a trading partner and lucky for Daniels the Braves thought they had a good team who could get to the World Series if they added a slugging first baseman. The Braves also had a loaded farm system which was the perfect match. I consider this the greatest trade of the 21st century.

July 31, 2007: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Beau Jones (minors), Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia to the Texas Rangers for Ron Mahay and Mark Teixeira.

Why do I consider this trade so great? Because Jarrod Saltalamacchia was the centerpiece of the deal. The Ranger  scouts failed on the keystone but nailed the others. Heck even if Jarrod  was a failure based on expectations he was still a starting catcher. The Rangers got a starting catcher, a starting SS, a starting pitcher, and a bullpen guy with the best arm in baseball.  Okay, now that I look at it, not the greatest traded of the 21st century. Hell we all know that was the Smoak for Lee deal, don't we:)

SS Giants - Juan Uribe are you kidding me.  Juan Uribe was 28 years old in 2009 when Sabean signed him as a free agent. His OPS the previous three years were .698, .678, .682. He sucked. He became a Giant too basically handle the utility gig, he ended with an OPS in 2009 of .824, and while he fell a bit in 2010, he came alive in Sept posting his best OPS of the season. Another 3 Million dollar Free Agent deal. For just over 10 Million the Giants had a 1st/2nd/SS. Of course not everything is roses. The Giants had signed Renteria to be their starting SS by giving him a 18.5 two year deal in 2009. It was a terrible deal, but no one cares because Uribe picked up the slack. Renteria was hurt most of 2010 after having a dismal 2009 season.

3rd  Rangers - Mike Young was drafted in the fifth round of the 1997 draft by the Blue Jays. Then they traded him on July 19th for one Estaban Loaiza. From then on Young was a fixture at SS for the Rangers until Andrus showed up. Then unlike one John Valentin, Young moved to 3rd base without grumbling  Originally Mike Young requested a trade but the Rangers were unable to move his large contract and in the end he became the 3rd baseman, and viola, the Rangers had a left side of the infield that was the envy of the American League. Young could always hit, mixing in two great years with many solid years.

3rd  GiantsPablo Sandoval was the find of 2008, the converted catcher destroyed NL pitching for 1 1/2 seasons and looked to be the heir apparent to Vlady as the best bad ball hitting player in baseball. However something changed and in 2010 Sandoval stopped hitting on April 28th, 2010 (my 20th wedding anniversary). He was hitting .373 at that point, by the end of the year he was hitting .268. This is what he did from April 29th until the end of the year. Pablo was signed as a free agent out of Venezuela.

C  Rangers  - No story is getting more play then the Bengie Molina story and the fact he will win a ring no matter who win this World Series. Everyone already knows this story, so we will skip it for brevity. Since I expect hardly anyone has even gotten this far.

C  Giants   - Buster Posey was the fifth pick in the 2008 draft and has been destined for greatness ever since. You get players like Posey by being so bad you get to draft fifth. When fans ask why we don't have a Posey the answer is simple. You don't want to be the team who was so bad they were drafting fifth. A year ago there was rumblings that he couldn't catch, well those seem to have been put to rest. After seeing how much Matt Weiters was hyped and how much he underwhelmed I will say I did not buy into the Posey hype. So far however he's been even better then advertised. That said he sucked against the Phillies.

RF Rangers -  Nelson Cruz is proof enough that Billy Beane is not a magic man. He's made some bad deals but none may have been worse then trading Nelson Cruz for Keith Ginter in 2004. It took a while for Cruz to make his mark but anyone who has watched him this post season has to be impressed with the player. When Cruz was traded to the Brewers it was a small trade, it took a blockbuster to get him to Texas.  Quite a deal when you look at it:

July 28, 2006: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers for Julian Cordero (minors), Francisco Cordero, Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.

RF  Giants - The Giants tried everyone from John Bowker to Nate Schierholz to Jose Guillen but none of them fit the bell until Cody Ross showed up just in the nick of time. The previous three all under performed expectations, so Sabean went to the well one more time and acquired Ross on waivers August 22nd. Ross had been a consistent outfielder for the Marlins ever since they stole him from the Reds who stole him from the Dodgers. A career 104 OPS+ while only earning 7 Million during his 2222 plate appearances. The deuces are wild indeed.

CF  Rangers  - Josh Hamilton is a frigging folk hero, so by now I expect everyone knows his story. If not, you will by the end of the World Series as I'm sure his addiction well be gone over like a fine picked comb.  For the record Hamilton was the Number One Pick of 1999 by the Rays, had a slight problem with drugs/alcohol, recovered to late for the Rays to get any benefit, and was picked up in the 2006 Rule Five draft by the CUBS, who then do what Cubs do, and traded him to the Reds. The Reds got  a good year out of a guy who had not played baseball for a while, but needed pitching so they traded him to the Rangers in 2008 for Edinson Volquez.  I'm impressed with how he kicked his addictions for the time being but the reason Josh Hamilton is one of my favorite players is because of how he plays the game.

CF  Giants - Torres was drafted in the fourth round of the 1998 draft. By the age of 27 his major league career appeared over as he hit .141 for the Texas Rangers. That was 2005. After having played in 89 major league games, he would not see the major leagues again for three bloody years. At age 31 he resurfaces again when the Giants signed him as a NRI in 2009. He made the team in 2009 out of camp but was sent down until late May when he got the call again. Since then he has done nothing but play one of the best centerfields in the NL. This is incredible. Even with a huge slump in Sept that saw his OPS drop 40 points he still ended up with a .823 OPS for the season. A freebie by Sabean. Just like Ross. In fact as you will see the starting outfield of Ross/Torres/Burrel is making peanuts. You may not be impressed with the names but that is the starting outfield for the 2010 NL Champions.

LF Rangers - David Murphy gets alot of time here, he was the number one pick of the Red Sox (17th pick) back in 2003 and then the Red Sox dealt him and Engel Beltre (another nice prospect) for the right to watch Eric Gagne suck in 2007.  Murphy is not great, kind of like Cody Ross but he hits enough. Julio Borbon was the starting CF at the start of the year but when he failed, this is the outfield you see most of the time.FYI Ned, a Murphy/Ross platoon might make for a killer LF.

LF Giants - Pat Burrell was a much ballyhooed number one pick in the country in 1998. If you got this far you will notice that the number one pick of 1999 is playing against the number one pick of 1998 and both are on their third team. Burrell did his gig with Phillies then signed a two year deal with the Rays that many considered a good deal (2/16). The many were wrong as Burrell was so putrid that the Rays released him when he couldn't get his OPS above .700. The Giants nabbed him for nothing since the Rays are paying his salary and of course he then proceeded to give the Giants the offense the Rays had been paying for. For the record I totally despise players in any sport who fail for the team who gave them the large contract, get released, sign for the minimum, then deliver. Asswipes.

DH Rangers - Big Daddy Vlady has always been one of my favorite hitters. Vlady may leave behind a trail of bad swings during the post season but is anyone more fun to watch hit? Any Angel fan could tell you that Vlady destroyed the Rangers, so when his agent picked Texas as Vlady's home in 2010, you expected good things to happen. So for the mere price of 6.5 Million the Rangers added the potent DH bat they had been seeking for years. For a guy with the rep of not hitting in the postseason this link says not so fast.

 

That is how you build a World Series Team.

Draft - Moreland, Kinsler, Posey

Trades - Andrus, Young, Molina, Hamilton, Cruz, Murphy

Free Agents - Vlady, Huff, Uribe, Sanchez, Torres

International Signings - Sandoval

Waiver Wire - Burrell, Ross

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It seems like a lot of players on the Giants are having career years. Especially Uribe.

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe not career years but top two:

Huff, Uribe, Posey, Torres, Sanchez
but they also suffered the loss of De Rosa, and the complete meltdown of one of the best hitters in the league in Sandoval.

Hopefully this is Posey’s career year:)

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

free agents?

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ned’s signings haven’t been great, but considering who has been available and what he’s had to work with, things could have been worse.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it's less fails

and more bad luck. I mean, who would have thought Huff would be destroying this year?

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

a similar surprise

would be Mr. Gamer.

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, our trades skew towards horrible and ill-advised for the most part. Our FA signings are a mixed bag, but we have certainly had some good ones (Kuroda).

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure and I'll be doing a post on that soon

but whenever Ned trades for a pitcher of any kind the results are not kind, when he trades for a position player he has been very successful. Might be a problem with scouting, besides the basic over valuing of relief pitchers.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll be looking forward to reading that post.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious my self to find out the results

that comment was just off the top of my head considering
Hendrickson, Seo, Carter, Baez, Proctor, Loaiza, Maddux (2), Sherrill, Dotel
against
Lilly, Garland, Maddux (1)
against
Manny, Magic Marlon, Belliard,
against
Blake, Theriot, Podboy

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

My hypothesis, just looking at this list is that we do OK getting mid-rotation veteran pitchers and position players but under no circumstances should Ned be allowed to trade for a relief pitcher. He should have one special assistant who’s sole purpose is to distract him with a shiny object when he starts talking about trading for relief help.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ned: Ok, so I was thinking that we need some more arms for the ’pen. What do you think about tradin —

Special Assistant Maddz: Who wants some tequila?!

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dodgers 2008 team (off the top of my head)

Draft: Loney, Martin, DeWitt, Kemp, Bililngsley, Broxton, Kershaw
Trades: Ramirez, Ethier
Free Agents: Kent, Furcal
International Signings: Kuroda, Kuo
Waiver Wire: Belisario

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can add Maddux to the waiver wire.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

Draft: Wade
Trade: Proctor, Penny
Free Agent: Lowe, Chan Ho Park, Nomar
International Signings: Trancoso, Saito

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent post

Even though Volquez started out strong with Cincinnatti, I hated that trade from the beginning (from the Reds perspective.) Considering Volquez gave CIN nothing this year, imagine how stacked CIN would have been with the two possible MVPs this year in Votto and Hamilton.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions  

It certainly looks like the trade favors Texas now, but at the time it seemed like a good trade for both teams. There were questions about Hamilton’s durability and Cin needed to rebuild their pitching staff. The Reds would probably love to have Hamilton but they have some good young pitching for the first time in a long time, and Volquez is part of that.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That could have been a sick lineup. I still think Volquez is a good pitcher though and thought it was a pretty fair trade. Hamilton could have just as easily been the one to get hurt. Plus from a “need” perspective, the Reds had a lot of OF’s in their system and less pitching.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the end of 2009

Hamilton was the one who had been hurt most of the year. Still, the Reds would like to have this deal back, since they now have a lot of decent young pitching but are now thin in the outfield.
Votto/Hamilton/Bruce/Philips/Rolen would have been a hell of a middle lineup.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really think they’re that thin in the outfield. They might not have a perennial all-star, but it looks like Bruce, Stubbs and Heisey will all be solid players and they’re all homegrown.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the biggest fan of Heisey

but I understand they are trying Alonso there, since he’s blocked by Votto. Stubbs needs to improve to be considered an asset.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

They should just trade Alonso and Stubbs for Greinke.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

You get my point though.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you not like about Heisey?

.757 OPS as a rookie. Good mix of speed and power.

Could be a solid .280/.350/.450 hitter playing plus defense.

AND, he was a 17th round draft pick!

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man has that flipped in a short time

I remember when they could mash but had no pitching, what was that, yesterday?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Young arms, not including Volquez

Cuerto (24)
Baily (24)
Leake (22)
Travis Wood (23)
Aroldis Chapman (22)
Maloney (26)

Probably overstating the case about the plethora of young arms, but that is still a decent group.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be pretty happy with that group and you’re not even including Volquez.

Chapman
Volquez
Leake
Cueto
Wood/Bailey/Maloney

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, they will likely work out an extension with Arroyo, who is at least a decent mid-rotation pitcher.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always liked the trade from the Reds persepctive, but mostly because I didn’t like it from the Rangers’ perspective. Texas always needed pitching, and they let one get away in that deal.

In the end, it probably ends up as a good deal for both sides.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Sandoval starts tonight

the Giants will have 2 players in their lineup (three with Lincecum) that were their Opening Day lineup in April. The Rangers will have 4.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

That is why

as silly as it is to worry about a teams makeup in October, even in April, there is plenty of time to make changes. Remember when DeRosa was going to be the left fielder?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

This made me laugh this morning.
What if . . .

JP really was the glue that held this team together? {gulp} {shudder} {faints}

by kinbote on Oct 26, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions

wasn’t that Elmer Dessens?

by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 26, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a really good read, Phil. Nicely done.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

I love doing these when I find out cool things, like Moreland and Kinsler being 17th round draft picks playing next to each other. How many 17th round picks even make the major leagues? I’d wager not many.

The pitching staffs are loaded with number one picks.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

“The 2013 Dodgers will feature several late round draft picks including Jerry Sands (25th), Trayvon Robinson (10th), Allen Webster (18th), and Shawn Tolleson (30th).”

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Tolleson

Is there anything about whether he’s gonna be tried as a starter? He looks to have been a swingman in College, and it seems pretty silly after the season he had not to try him as a starter.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't we see if he can get real minor league hitters out

even as a relief pitcher before we think he can be a starter?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

...No?

I’d rather see him logging starter innings now and dropped back if he can’t hack it then left as a reliever and allow any secondary pitches he has that’re not needed out of the bullpen to atrophy.

Its not like the low minors have such a glut of starter prospects that he’ll be taking a slot from someone (potentially) better.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually we do have a full complement of starters in the A leagues

so unless he stays in a rookie league we have no room for him.
Great Lake Loons
Zach Lee
Garrett Gould
Wilborn
Ralston Cash
Patterson or Ozoria or Castillo

Cal League:
Martin
Eovaldi
Webster
Magill

I guess you could fit him in, I just don’t subscribe to the theory that because a 30th round pick can get rookie league hitters out as a relief pitcher that makes him a candidate for a rotation spot at the next level. It is one thing to be a late round pick as a high school guy or JC guy, but it is another to be one at his age and have the stuff that good hitters won’t tee off on. It may look like Logan did something right, but in a few years Tolleson will be gone from the system all the other late round college draft picks who got rookie league hitters out.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

My humma is showing

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

There once was a pitcher named Scott
And left arm potential he got
His control turned to shit
Then he opted to quit
He’s now left with just one last shot.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

are we talking about me?

Because I finished all my shots last night.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

First question of the interview: how is your control?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

In what context?

I had good control. I just sucked ass against lefties (I’m a righty) because my main pitches were Slider/fastball (in that order) and my slider had too much movement to throw under the hands of lefties. It either got left over the plate or it hit them.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this look at building the teams, very cool. However, didn’t Michael Young grumble quite a bit upon being asked to move?

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by Mike Petriello on Oct 27, 2010 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

He did ask to be traded when he first heard

the plans
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/01/13/scoop.young/

So looks like I whiffed on this one. I guess he did pull a John Valentin, I’ll make the change.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

not to nitpick, but it’s “voila” not “viola”, though I do enjoy that instrument. :D

(don’t kill me)

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't blame yourself

all the analysts are talking about how he moved for Andrus with no grumbling, like they don’t remember. I’m sure he’s happy he wasn’t traded now, haha.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post, Phil. Despite the fact that the Giants are involved, these are two pretty interesting teams to watch. I expect it to be a good series.

by prosellis on Oct 27, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah

my roommate told me she’s going to a bar tonight to watch the game “and see the Giants get destroyed.”

I like my roommate :)

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by Maddz on Oct 27, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would it be a mistake to say I never root for AL teams? I hate the DH, i can’t help it. I think it makes baseball about 900% less intelligent.

by prosellis on Oct 27, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

“The pitcher is up with a runner on what do I do? I know, bunt!”

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by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

but then you get

double switches and shit

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but again that’s a fairly straightforward decision. Did my 7 or 8 hitter who’s probably not very good just hit? Then double switch.

It’s more than you get in the AL, but let’s not act like there’s deep thought going on here.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more about bullpen use than offensive switches. No DH makes you have to decide between hitting for your pitcher in the 6th with a scoring opportunity in a close game, or do I let him hit and hope we get another chance later.

With the DH your bullpen use is much more cookie-cutter.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

it just means the manager has to make some effort, as opposed to no effort

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm quite whack on that

I hate the DH with a passion, but I like many more AL teams then I do NL teams.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two things I noticed

In the 2000 June draft’s 17th round, Harden, Napoli and Josh Willingham were selected, though never played together I don’t think. 2002: Brandon McCarthy/Russell Martin. 2003: Ian Kinsler. 2006: Josh Reddick. 2007: Moreland.

I’m not counting the 2008-2010 June drafts, but from 1998-2007 drafts:
35 of 300 17th round picks made an appearance in the major leagues, or almost 12%.

Of the 10 drafts, the 1998 17th round had the most major leaguers, and I think a few have played together. They are (Player (Pick/Team):Eric Hinske(3/Cubs), JJ Putz(6/Twins), BJ Ryan(7/Reds), Brian Lawrence(Padres/9), David Williams(15/Pirates), Colin Porter919/Astros), Ty Wigginton(21/Mets), Mike MacDougal(26/Orioles).

In 2007, Brian Lawrence played with David Williams on the Mets. How many times have two players been picked in the

same
17th round and played together?

Note: I did not check to see if all 300 had actually signed their deals that year, though Williams and Lawrence did.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Crap

quote fail. was supposed to be italicized

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

And actually, a third thing

Harden made for 3 17th round picks playing together this year.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

more then what I would have expected.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here. I have no research to quantify this, but I feel like the 15-18 rounds is where yoy take flyers on high school kids you think will go to college. My guess is some of them sign anyway.

Also, my theory is that a kid who became draft eligible in 1998 wanted to sign because it was a really cool time to be a baseball player. On June 17th of that year McGwire had 33HR, Sosa had 25 and Griffey was right there with them

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff. It makes me realize how close the Giants are to the 2005 White Sox.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

The rotation was the only part of the 2005 Sox that didn’t have a ridiculous career year.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

So would grades be something like:

Draft – B-

Trades – D

Free Agents – C

International Signings – A

Waiver Wire – B+

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

for what

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

or whom

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering how much of a lottery the draft is

they should get no less than an A+ for being able to draft Billingsley, Kershaw, Kemp and Broxton. The otehr MLB starters are just icing on the cake.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent

This is a great write-up. I really enjoyed it.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Reading this

reminds me of how much I expect the giants to fall back to earth next year, unless Sandoval can get his swing back and Uribe/Huff/Torres can actually continue to produce, which I think is unlikely. They won’t suck with Posey and that pitching, but I don’t see them being this good next year.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Huff and Uribe will continue to produce

for other teams.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The pitching could get better

with Bumgarner in the rotation all year. They don’t have to build that good a team around that rotation. Nonwithstanding Sanchez’s implosion in the last game, he’s stuff is the kind of stuff that once the LHP can harness the control he can get better and better with age. Or he can turn into Oliver Perez, Dodger fans have to be hoping for that but I wouldnt’ count on it. I won’t kid you, that rotation scares the crap out of me and it is the rotation I’ve been worried about because I’ve always been a big fan of Sanchez’s stuff.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look how far our pitching got us in the 2nd half, and it was pretty damn good for a stretch there

I’m not saying they won’t be competitive, but I think their offensive goes back to not being very good outside of Posey, unless Sandoval can get his swing back.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Without increasing payroll?

How will they do that? Not saying they won’t but given what they’ve said about their salary level next year I don’t see them splurging on all those positions… Could see them bringing Ross back though of course.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is there to suggest they will though?

They weren’t big spenders this offseason, handing out a bunch of 3 million dollar contracts.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll se

i they have the cash and if they can lure anyone to them. Them signing crawford would make me sad.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

They likely won't increase payroll

says this from last week
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/giants-wont-increase-payroll.html

of course they’ll make some money on making the WS which won’t hurt, but they were losing money beforethe playoff run. I don’t see them signing a bunch of high priced free agents.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huff/Uribe/Torres/Burrel are all on one year deals

right? And are probably going to want more then what they are currently signed for. Ross if they go to arbitration will get a raise of some sort, so it’ll be interesting to see what they do.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

as that article points out

While the organization won’t spend tons of money this winter, Baer says that ownership will do what it can to keep the team in tact. Roughly $20MM will be coming off of the books this offseason but much of that will go to raises for Tim Lincecum, Mark DeRosa, Matt Cain, and Brian Wilson. Meanwhile, Cody Ross, Jonathan Sanchez, and Andres Torres will all be arbitration-eligible.

The Giants won’t be backing up a Brinks truck for a major free agent in the coming months but they have been able to find success on the cheap

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

((PS: Mark DeRosa gets a raise? Heh.))

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

my point was never that they would buy a big time free agent, but that they would still upgrade at SS and the outfield. I can’t see them going into 2011 with Renteria/Uribe as their SS options.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if they do that

their offense won’t be as good as it is now imho, because of the inevitable regression of seemingly half of their offense. That pitching will still be scary good of course.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

I’d rather worry about us getting better then the Giants regressing.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll have to get better

even if they regress to overtake them anyways. As it stands their pitching and hitting right now with no major upgrades on our part their pitching and hitting will be better then ours anyways. Come on free agency!

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with that

and by your line I thought you meant upgrade at all of the above: “2nd/SS/LF/RF” so yeah 2 of those I could see. No more than that given payroll.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to say a lot of their success

is probably more luck then anything else. I imagine it will be almost impossible to replicate their success with Ross/Burrell/Torres/Uribe.Huff, even if they bring them all back next year, instead of going out and finding the next crop of cheap contributors ready to have career years.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

They have $74 million committed to 8 players next year (which includes $500k to buyout Renteria), and they have Jonathan Sanchez, Cody Ross, and some relievers up for arb. Posey, Sandoval, and Bumgarner being near league minimum will give them some room to maneuver though.

They do need 1B, SS, and at least one OF, keeping in mind Ishikawa and Schierholtz are still there too.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tigers DEEPLY interested in Crawford

Link here.

There goes that idea (as if it had a chance).

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd like to see Crawford go there

then the Tigers can have the two best Crawfords to ever play the game 100 years apart.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crawfsa01.shtml

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford and AJax would be a lot of speed in that oufield.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, the # of Giants bandwagoners on my FB feed is laughable

I’m staying out of it but I really wanted to post a quiz on the Giants to some of these people who haven’t said anything about the Giants in the previous say 16 months they’ve been on FB with me, because I bet I know more about them, or their team last year, etc, than many of them. (Not saying all, I know who the die-hard “true” fans are.)

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I’ve only ever had to take a break from facebook for two reasons. The first was when the Giants and Angels played in 2002, the second was because my friends were being dbags when Prop 8 came out.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn. Date-dropping when you got onto facebook there.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

2002 I was a Junior in high school. So yeah, I had a facebook. I think. may have been MySpace back then.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

LIAR!

I’m not even sure if facebook existed back then, and if it did, it was only for certain universities.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s possible Mr. F is telling the truth

by DodgerSF on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that’s why I switched to saying it wss probably MySpace I was thinking about. Facebook used to be cool because you had to have a .edu e-mail to get an account. Now, my parents are on my facebook and it feels like 1984.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just refuse to add family

other then my bros and sis.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Family is the reason I don’t spend much time on facebook.

My mom really likes facebook because she can see pictures and videos of her little nieces and nephews around the world.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

People need to use flicker more for photos

facebook sucks in my opinion for that.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

you who else should know better than to add you

your boss. One’s boss should know better than to Friend you on FB.

by DodgerSF on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually added my boss

because I knew he didn’t give a fuck, but I thought long and hard abou tit first.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

see SNL my mom's on FB segment

My friend had to tell his mom to stop commenting on his posts so often bc that’s like hugging him in public when he was a kid.

by DodgerSF on Oct 27, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

My mom will randomly “like” weird videos and internet memes my brother posts.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are all doing it wrong

and are now paying the price.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah. Whatever. Facebook has always scared me, and now I have an excuse to not spend much time on it.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, how does one do it “right”?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not adding their parents

and other people they don’t actually want to see status updates from, or to see their status updates.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I guess that depends on if you really care about those things.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

If not then why even bother having one?

If I’m going to have one I’m going to make it actually useful.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

To stalk people, DUH!

It IS useful for keeping in touch with people, even if you don’t update your status with your day-to-day activities.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally age dependent on how to do it right or wrong

At my age, it is all about family and friends, staying in touch with the extended family all over the place, and friends all over the place. No one from work is allowed on my facebook page no matter how good a friend they are.

If I was 15 – 25 no way would I have let my parents have access to my facebook page, but once you start having a family it would be criminal not to let them in once you start your grownup phase. JMO

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I use it for the friend right now

and honestly would simply think of making a “family” specific account for those purposes later on, or simply using something like flicker to share photos and stuff.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

So situations are different and people use facebook for different things. I have a large extended family including cousins and nieces and nephews that are roughly my generation. I could not have a facebook account that excluded them, and including them and excluding others would be awkward and complicated.

The simple solution would be to be able to control who can see what better, from one account. Sigh, facebook privacy.

My experience with sharing photos is… even if flickr is a better place to upload, more people will actually look at pictures on facebook. So depending on the picture, showing a lot of people a low-res photo is better than showing a couple people a high-res one.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with you on sharing photos

but its maddening. If I actually wanted to take those photos for myself I can’t, because they suck on facebook, but if I put them on flicker would anyone ever see them?

Facebook will never let you control any of that though, its not in their best interest.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be no different if the Dodgers made the World Series

all of the sudden many of the people you had been working with all of the sudden will want to talk about them.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

True, and I've certainly seen it with the Lakers

but it’s just highly concentrated for me given how many SF people I know, right now. Just amusing is all.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like talking to most people afk

about sports, because they tend to have no fucking clue as to whats going on with the team.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

it is pretty clear from my FB that i’m a Dodger fan. Nearly all my posts relates to the Dodgers or baseball. :P of course, now, SF folks are starting to comment on it as if they know what they are talking about.

by DodgerSF on Oct 27, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool write-up here. Definitely interesting to think

how each team was built, a combination of good moves, sheer dumb luck, good drafting, etc.

Btw how has Smoak fared since he was traded? He seemed a disappointment but too young to make assumptions about yet.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

.694 OPS in 122PAs

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kept thinking a guy named Smoak should be able to smoke the ball in the bigs

guess not.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll be fine, but I think his ceiling is closer to Lyle Overbay than anything.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would really suck the 6th best organization in baseball

if they did not get an above average hitter for Cliff Lee.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has kind of sucked. They also sent Tyson Gillies, who has sucked.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how to judge these trades. The fact that Lee was twice traded this year, and the price both times is busted prospect… I just gotta wonder if there really was a better deal out there.

I dunno. If I’m Zdurindsfjklsdfhjlkasd, then I just might pull the trigger on Smoak, too.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look what the Astros got for Oswalt`

I just think the GMs are stupid.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Prospects are called prospects for a reason. I think I’d still rather have Smoak than Gillies and Aumont, but that could be just me.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

but they got shitty prospects

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its not hindsight

everyone was shocked at how little the Astros got for Oswalt. I mean this was like 3 months ago, not 3 years ago.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the two Cliff Lee trades.

Everyone knows Ed Wade is an idiot. Why even bring that up?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why even bother to comment on my comment then?

The lee trades weren’t that long ago either, and even THEN a lot of people where scratching their heads.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just think the GMs are stupid.

This is possible in only one sense, I think. After we spend time investigating something, many, maybe most, of us pull the trigger even if it would be more optimal to do nothing. Lee may have provided more value to Seattle if they had held him, let him pitch, and then received the two picks for him. However, PERHAPS (I don’t know) after investigating the trade market for him, then trading him became a foregone conclusion and they took the best deal out there (Smoak).

I just can’t believe that Jack Z saw the offer for Smoak and then didn’t call, say, Brian Cashman. I can believe that he saw the offer for Smoak and didn’t stop to say, wait, would it be better if we just took the two picks when he leaves?

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just can’t believe that Jack Z saw the offer for Smoak and then didn’t call, say, Brian Cashman. I can believe that he saw the offer for Smoak and didn’t stop to say, wait, would it be better if we just took the two picks when he leaves?

Right, it makes no sense.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The story was that Jesus Montero for Lee was done, then Jack Z used that as leverage to get Smoak.

Plus, he’s a 23 year old that had decent power and patience in his first tour in the bigs. Smoak is going to be a solid player, just not the type of guy that will lead you to a ring.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

As one of the many members of the Russell-Martin-Has-Done-Nothing-For-Us-Lately-So-Fuck-That-Guy club, I would have taken Jesus Montero in a New York Minute.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would rather have had Montero, but I can easily see why you’d take Smoak instead.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Smoak didn’t have a great debut, but he was #13 on BA’s top 100 list prior to the 2010 season.

Not every player comes into the league and tears it up immediately.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phil, just wanted you to know I read the whole thing and I thought it was really, really excellent work.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I read the whole thing too

and now I’m wondering how the fuck does SF have a chance in this thing? Yet I still think they’ll win.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 27, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitching Pitching Pitching

in a close game whose bullpen do you think will close it out? I’m rooting hard for the Rangers, but I’d be betting on the Giants in six.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

and timely hitting

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Are Walnuts good for you?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I like them as a snack food.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Almonds are better

but nuts of any kind are a good source of protein and calcium, from my understanding.

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by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Paulie Walnuts: not good for you.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

“You’re not gonna believe this. The guy killed 16 Czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator.”

by kinbote on Oct 27, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic

Top 5 episode. So many great one-liners in that episode.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that the Pine Barrens one, or am I thinking of something else?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get some Postachios

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

All I know is that back when the Atkins diet was hot, this guy I knew who tried it said being able to eat walnuts saved him from starving. Or something.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Bananas and walnuts for breakfast = excellent cure for hunger.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nuts are filling

and a great source of protein.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Article Phil

read every word.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

agree. i read nearly every word

but definitely made it beyond the bengie molina part.

by DodgerSF on Oct 27, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

slacker

go back and finish your article, or no dessert for you.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

do it

DOOOOO EEEEEETTTTTTTT

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jon posted a piece on Jerry Sands on DT

btw
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-thoughts/post/_/id/9159/jerry-sands-works-on-his-game
via Fangraphs piece

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully the TBLA #1 isn’t like the Madden Curse.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could be

I think Elbert was number one in 2008, Withrow in 2009, Sands in 2010

I don’t know what Reg did before 2008, but I’m betting on LaRoche in 2007 so there you go.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

My vote went to Andy though.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

What were your votes in ’08 and ’09?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whew

so if Sands can pan out the then the Eric reign is off the hook otherwise he’s put that curse notch next to his Andre Triple Crown notch.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

All the people who assumed the Riddler would be in the next batman movie where wrong. No Mr Freeze though :(.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

so who?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nolan didn't say yet

Link because I’m awesome like that

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

No clue

Most of the iconic enemies that are left don’t fit in Nolan’s version of Batman, other then the Riddler and he just ruled that out. Catwoman would make sense as a character, but other then that I just hope they bring back two face.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was Nolan a Reds fan in the 1970s?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it will be any one major villian

The penguin could be fit in there though. I would like to see Talia Al Ghul. That could be cool.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

It also depends on whether they go to classic Batman characters

or more modern, dark Batman, which created some newer villains who were pretty interesting. (I’ve read more about this than I have actually read most of these comics, mind.)
We just know it won’t be the Riddler, Mr Freeze (he’s already said as much) and likely not Catwoman either. Like the Joker the Penguin was already done pretty memorably fairly recently in those other movies, but like the Joker that doesn’t rule him out. Still I’m betting on someone else.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think Nolan (or the studio) would stay away from using a more obscure villain because the general non-comic reading public wouldn’t be familiar with that character?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

but I still think it will be more then one villain, and they won’t be the focus, and if they are the focus its because its two face/harvey dent.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I, and I assume most of the people watching Batman Begins, had no clue who Rass Al Ghul was.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you didn’t watch Batman: The Animated Series, either.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

They also did him

without using his supernatural angle(basically immortal), so I don’t rule out other supernatural villians right off, because they might simply tweak them.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I suspect once you get past the iconic villians, all thats really important is someone interesting that adds more to the story then a black hat and sinister Rollie Fingers ’stache.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

So not the penguin?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason I assumed the penguin had a stache

sadly, he does not.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m leaning towards the Penguin not really lending itself to this style of Batman. He’s a bit of a goofy character, after all.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it will be...

EGGHEAD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F825cdwotdM

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought DeVito’s Penguin was a pretty awesome character.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But we are talking about a Tmi Burton version of Batman. Goofy comes with the territory for Burton.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

traditionally the Penguin is really just a mobster who is kinda short and fat and likes birds. He isn’t really that freakish, though some media has portrayed him that way.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm no expert

but if I had to wager on the villain identity I would take Penguin (if I had to pick one not the field). Seems like Nolan could make a dark freakish bird-fish loving fat guy into a good character.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

He isn't menacing enough to be the main

all of his motivation is money.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s where I’m coming from. in both the films, Nolan has wanted to put lives in danger not just precious objects

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

I mean Penguin could be a great Scarecrow from Begins type side villian, but not the main.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. That makes sense.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

which is why I rule him out, cause I think Catwoman begs introduction, especially since female characters in this series have been recastable and forgettable

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

It'll be here or Talia

Probably Catwoman though.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either or both would be pretty cool.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Egghead: the man with the power of being bald.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Calender Man

he is really obsessed with dates.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy crap that’s real.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I assumed nolander was making a joke.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I make sure to google the humor out of everything.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would never joke about Batman

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I envision you taking off glasses as you say this, just to add weight to it.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Someone didn’t read The Long Halloween.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who could take Vincent Prices place though?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, didn't even see this before posting

Was looking for clips of Vincent Price on Youtube, heh. So hammy.

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two Face

died pretty hard last time, which shocked the hell out of me cause I thought Nolan was going for an Arkham Asylum setup not the old school villain has to due cow patties.

I’m thinking Catwoman plays the two-face gray area role next time, and we’ll need Dr. Croc or the stakes won’t be high enough

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still hoping they redeem themselves

and bring two face back. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE killing off the villians in these movies. They just seem to do it because they feel they have to. Its stupid, it sucks, and I hate it.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

we’ll Nolan left Scarecrow and Joker alive, wasn’t his fault what happened to his Joker

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Killed Rahs(don't get me started on how bullshit that was)

and killed two face still.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always liked Deadshot's origin story.

From a wealthy Gotham family who hears what Batman is doing, and decides to become a ‘superhero’ and does a bunch of super heroics right in the open and the public eats it up. In reality, he’s also a leader of a gang of robbers, and he wants to kill Batman to take over Gotham.

His powers is basically the DC version of Bullseye.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is pretty cool

Giants are shooting their wad, having all SF Giants HOFers throw out the first pitch tonight: Cepeda, Irvin, Marichal, Mays, McCovey & Perry

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Tomorrow, Bobby Thomson’s two daughters will throw out the first pitch.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a team that believes it’s not coming back to SBC.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

McCovey

was one of my favorite all time players. Shame to see what age did to him. No Bobby Murcer?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

No Bobby Murcer?

Too soon?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Murcer and Bonds

in CGI throwing out the first pitch for Game 7

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bonds wouldn't need CGI

He’s more than enough of a freakish caricature of himself already.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn’t you see him at NLCS game 3? he’s svelt now

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

He meant Bobby, the dead one, as he and Murcer were once traded for one another.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If someone named their fantasy team after both a Batman character and something out of the Joss Whedon universe, it might just be time to swallow a bullet.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I just had to google Joss Whedon.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You could just search our comments section.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

srsly

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both of my fantasy teams are named after Battlestar Galactica.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Firefly

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Avengers Assemble!!!

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping

as well as SHIELD we get some SWORD, and Eliza Dushku plays Agent Brand

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to say I doubt it

but then again Whedon is in charge. I doubt that would happen till at least the 2nd avengers movie.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

true

that might be too much to introduce in one movie. I just think Eliza would make an awesome Agend Brand

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have soured on her

I mean she would be great in that role, but the decision to make her the main in Dollhouse is a big part of why that show failed imho. She doesn’t have range.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh most definitely. that show became fun when it went ensemble, but then it had to wrap up the entire thing by the end of season 2 and ended sorta eh.

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still haven't finished two

was waiting for it to hit blue rizay. That Victor fellow was quite the actor though.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is reportedly talks of a SHIELD movie, so it might get play there.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

By SHIELD you mean

Nick Fury

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fury, Black Widow, and Hawkeye.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

Nick Fury

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is getting confusing. With Iron Man 1 and Hulk 2, they were setting up SHIELD but as relates to SHIELD forming the Avengers. Iron Man 2 didn’t mention the team, but we got a more active SHIELD.

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Avengers is the movie

it is already on a schedule. They have to make Thor first so they can slide him into it.

I was hoping that they’d find a way to bring Namor in as a star wars underwater BIG MOVIE.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thor is currently in post-prod, Avengers is scheduled to start shooting in Feb, and after that we will likely see a SHIELD and a Namor movie among others.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

all I want is the X-men reboot to fit into this universe. And for Wolverine to be recast so I can start forgetting that lump of coal

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

How long does Sony have the rights?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

er fox

got mixed up with spidey

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the number of X-related films scheduled, there is little chance that Marvel gets them back.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats what I was thinking

man Marvel must regret whatever deal they made.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

without the X Man booting the whole Marvel Comic Book Series they may not have survived as a company. I’ve posted this before but for anyone who loves comics and watching big business take in the ass the Comic Book Wars is a great read.
http://www.amazon.com/Comic-Wars-Tycoons-Battled-Empire/dp/0767908309

It is how the the Marvel you love today was born.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

I think they regret the length, not that there was ever a deal. I mean they basically have no hope of ever getting that franchise back. Probably the same for Spider Man, and those are there heaviest hitters.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

but in the end they needed to make a deal to get someone in Hollywood to make a movie and they had no leverage whatsoever when they made the X Men Deal. Marvel was barely surviving when X Men came out, and it made all the difference between a struggling franchise the billionaire dollar enterprise that Disney eventually purchased.

Hell just getting Spiderman back so they could re license it was the biggest thing they ever did. They made more off of SM Toy sales with each movie Sony made then any other revenue stream until they made their own movies.

They also sold the rights to Iron Man but were lucky enough to get it back when the studio did not make the movie in the time frame allotted. They also got Hulk back the same way. Which is why they are able to make an Avengers movie, at one time that never looked possible.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed all around

This is a total case of hindsight, I mean they signed the deal in the early 90s, and probably had no expectations that things would turn out as ganbusters as it has.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

wishful thinking

Fox already has X-Men: First Class, X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2, and Deadpool in the works

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Do they have the rights forever?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

The rights revert back to Marvel after x number of years without a film.

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

so never. at least first class doesn’t sound like it will be as bad as X3

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Wolverine flick

really confuses me though. Are we now saying that Wolverine is an old man when Scott and Emma Frost are adults. Cause that’s not right

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't even bother to watch it

so I don’t know

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its been that way for a while. Just be glad that the movie didn’t incorporate the Lupine crap that the comics introduced recently.

Wolverine is not a mutant at all but part of a group of wolves that evolve with humans and live thousands of years.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait what? When was this?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most of it is in Wolverine: Origins comic series.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, I’m one of those that thinks everything that doesn’t appear in the flagship book is just fanzines

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

They made a big deal over Origins

but I have never heard anything good about it.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best thing that came out of it was Wolverine’s son, Daken.

He’s basically what Angelus would have been if he was a Marvel character.

Amoral, bisexual, and manipulative.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read that as Draken, which reminds me of Craken, which made me laugh. Good job!

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I recently read most of Wolverine’s page on the Marvel wiki and didn’t run acros any of this Lupine crap. It said he was a mutant. I wonder if it is canon.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marvel tries it ignores it as much of its can.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wolverine’s healing factor makes him age very slowly. In the comics he’s an old man, despite appearing to be in his 30’s or whatever.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense. I’ve never read Wolverine’s introduction to the group. I always assumed he was Scott’s age since he was always hitting on Jean Grey

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its often kept vague in the comics

But he’s somewhere in the 100-150 range.

The first movie even mentions it, just doesn’t go into any detail. Jean says that his healing makes him look considerably younger than he is, and says he’s likely even older than Professor X.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Marvel Wiki says he was born in the late 1800’s.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

okay

yeah I forgot all the preamble stuff from the Wolverine flick, where he was born during the Civil War era. Still, he’s like Angel for me, I understand that he’s 100+ years old but it’s not really sticking for me.

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I doubt that happens though I believe there is some chance that the Fantastic Four will revert back to Marvel and be brought into the MCU.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fox is already planning a Fantastic Four reboot

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure why

loved the comic but none of the four have ever been that interesting enough to carry off a movie

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

My theory: why would anyone want to make Jessica Alba invisible?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because each of the movies

made money. In the end that is why movies are made.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it has to be in theaters by 2012, I think. I haven’t heard that they have a script or director yet. There are rumblings but they would have to fast track it to make it happen.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Namor

named after his father, Roman, he would go on to have a great, albeit injury-plagued, MLB career.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

How in the world

was I not aware Joss is involved in CA and the Avengers?

I fail at fanboidom.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

happened recently

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

over the summer, it was announced at Comic-Con

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Supposedly, Thor and CA trailers attached to Tron in December.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tron 2 looks

awesome

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

is there context for this? Also, BFDC and I are no longer friends

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying to combine as many things as possible that I don’t care about into one sentence.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry not really a comic guy. Guess I could have caught him as the writer in some of his tv/film. Too bad the Wonder Woman movie didn’t get made. That would could have been cool.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is mostly known for his TV

comics came later.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm impressed with the number of members

who took the time to manually vote.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/26/1776381/dodgers-2011-1-prospect-run-off

Plus I spied about 5 – 10 new names I’d never seen before.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

All of them good shower singers as well.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's winning?

I assume Sands?

Impressed that Lee was almost No. 1. I remember when we signed him (Boy was that a day) and many crowned him our No.1.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was tight between Lee and Sands for a while

then Sands really started to run away. Jansen was never really in the picture.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Top two Batman villians have been the Joker from both series. JMO

I thought the 2nd batman of the new series was the best of this genre.
Top Five:
Batman Two – Movie Two
Iron Man One
Spiderman Two – Octopus Man
Sin City
Batman One – Movie One

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Your notation is confusing

Dark Knight
Iron Man
Spiderman 2 – Alfred Molina as Dr Octavious
Sin City
Batman – Directed by Tim Burton starring Keaton, with Joker played by Nicholson.

I nail it?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really group Sin City in with the rest of those.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really a super hero movie

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

aye

How about Men In Black?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great movie

but doesn’t make my top five. It is a great group of movies, which is awesome because for years I wondered why my comic books weren’t being made into movies.

On that note I probably read 500 Sci Fi books growing up and all of them were better then any Sci Fi movie ever made other then first two Alien movies.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mostly brought it up

because its one of the ones that most people never knew was based on a comic

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Ghost Rider was fairly well done, and was always one of my favorite comic characters. Still, nowhere near my top five I don’t think.

Spider-Man was the one I was most disappointed by. He was my favorite comic character, and I despised the movies. The first was okay, two was horrible, and I still haven’t even seen three.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ghost Rider was a joke of a movie

Don’t see how anyone who was a fan of the SM comic did not enjoy the first two SM movies.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some people really hated them for some reason

Reasons I can think of
-Kirsten Dunst
-Over emphasing Mary Jane right off the bat instead of the other girl(whatsername?)
-Toby McGuire
-Goblins shitty costume

I fully enjoyed the first two myself.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gwen Stacy?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

bingo

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

In this case, its Liz Allen.

Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy weren’t introduced in the comics until Peter was in his college years.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well they basically skipped

high school for the most part.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you followed the comics totally

you’d be making some really bad movies. Has anyone read the first Thor comic?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but the movies made the mistake of making Mary Jane too central of a character to Peter’s life.

Her whole appeal in the comics was that she was the whirlwind that shook up Peter’s personal life. The movie made her plain Jane from down the block.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Mary Jane was this sorta unattainable vision of perfection in the comics for a long time, they sorta danced around the possibility but it always came apart cause Peter was constantly torn between her and being Spider-Man. That whole aspect was completely glossed over in the movies.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Him walking away at the end of the first film, and a big chunk of the 2nd film being devoted to that is glossing over?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still can’t make sense of the leak of the 4th movie script.

Part of me can’t believe its real because it seems like such a mess. Like why use the Vulture in the first place?

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming its going to suck

and ignoring it till told otherwise

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, maybe not the torn aspect

But Mary Jane was a completely different character and for no obvious reason.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hardly a mistake

based on how well it did. Were not talking the Punisher here.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Financial success

hardly makes the hardcore fan happy.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its a fine line to walk

but sometimes I feel like the writers and directors just change way too much, simply so they can take “authorship” of it, if that makes sense.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with that

which is why Marvel wanted so badly to have their own studio so the idiots at Fox could not destroy their franchise. SM3 is also the result of a director ego getting out of control. Seems by the time they get to three they go crazy. I’m scared what they will do with Iron Man 3.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most of SM3 made no sense to me

Just bad decisions all around, and based on what I’ve seen from the trailers of Brothers, they failed to let Toby play a proper angry dude, and then proceeded to ruin venom/eddie brock in every way they could think of.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The biggest problem with SM3 was Sony pushing Raimi to use Venom, because the fans wanted it. Raimi stated he didn’t like Venom as a character.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So he made him suck

to punish the studios?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has to be the only explenation

that explains that dance sequence.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Venom was shoehorned into a plot that didn’t need him. The symbiote saga should’ve been played out over two movies.

But yeah, there were other problems like emo-Parker.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It does not age well

but given the context of when it was made leading to this onslaught of technical marvel, I loved it coming out of the theatre. If you saw it for the first time today, yeah, I could understand being underwhelmed.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Underwhelmed yeah

but hating it?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, don't undestand that

unless you don’t like the genre in the first place, and if that is the case then don’t watch the movie.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although to be fair

I hate the original Batman movie(Burton) because of the ending where he starts throwing people off the clock tower, so I probably shouldn’t be throwing stones.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the movies

but thought Dunst and McGuire (to a lesser extent) sucked.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

McGuire looked the part

But just never pulled off the character IMO. And yea, Kirsten Dunst was a big part of it too, not so much because I don’t like her (I actually like her alright) I just thought she was a horrid Mary Jane.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spiderman 2 still may be the best comic book movie of all-time

The Dark Knight likely surpassed it, though.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

All Batman villains remain comic figures to me

based upon my original viewing of them on the “Batman” television show.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

bleh

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well when you are

5-6 and Cesar Romero is the Joker, its hard to think of someone who goes around and indiscriminately kill people without a conscious.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah

yeah, the fun thing about it is getting to see all these characters re imagined in a different way, I just say bleh because of how it looped back and affected the comics for a very long period.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean the show was entertaining

its just not how I like to think of the Bats

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed that show when I was a kid. But I saw The Animated Series shortly after, so that put a serious face on Batman for me pretty early.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

same here

except for me it was Animated Series first, then 80s Batman comics, and the live action Batman nevers

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Satchel Price at Beyond the Box Score took a look at the potential non-tender candidates for the Dodgers.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Decent job

agree with everything but Theriot, to much money for what he brings.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have already resigned myself into thinking Theriot will be back anyway.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, you generally don’t trade for a guy that you wouldn’t give three million.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

but if you think like Ned, you needed a new 2nd baseman if you needed to include DeWitt in the Cubs trade. But then there was also Mike Fontenot, who may be similarly crummier, costs a whole bunch less than Theriot would have been.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still of the belief that Ned wanted Theriot.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure why the dodgers couldn’t sign Kelly Johnson. Dodgers had to be more attractive than the D’backs after 2009.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was in favor of that last year as well.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had no money and Kelly Johnson was piss awful in 2009.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know who else was piss awful in 2009?

Ryan Theriot. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml

Kelly Johnson also signed for $2 million in 2010. For a man who bet on Padilla, Kelly Johnson wasn’t that big of a risk.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell of a lot better than Kelly Johnson was.

I mean you’re asking why they didn’t sign him. Ned usually doesn’t sign guys coming off terrible years.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andruw Jones says hello

I know you said usually, but just couldn’t resist throwing that in there

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Theriot 2009: .284/.343/.369 multi-year: Batting – 107, Pitching – 106 · one-year: Batting – 111, Pitching – 110 OPS+, 83

Kelly Johnson 2009: .224/.303/.389 multi-year: Batting – 99, Pitching – 98 · one-year: Batting – 96, Pitching – 95, OPS+ 82

Ned Colletti knows how offensive a park that Wrigley Field is. And somebody in that office has to know what Park Factors are.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

…and then there’s the defense.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

UZR rates Kelly’s defense from below average to average. B-Ref thinks he’s been above average.

UZR rates above average to average but below average in 2010. B-Ref alternates Theriot’s defense from above average to below average years.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

We were talking about 2009. Theriot was clearly better than Johnson.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because we know that a one year sample for Defense tells the whole story right?

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, that was too snarky for what I was going.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have followed through with my original plan to ignore you until November

2009 was clearly the subject here, which is what Reg talked about, and which are the offensive numbers you provided.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because offensive numbers are more reliable than defensive numbers. If I just posted the defensive numbers for 2009, somebody here would have raised the SSS issue for it.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same OPS+, Theriot’s on base was 40 points higher plus Theriot was a shortstop and not a second baseman.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which might mean something, but this is a team that went with Blake DeWitt to start the season. A player who the Dodgers thought had known defensive issues.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The time frame plays a role here. The club decided to go with DeWitt to start the season, but called an audible.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be stunned if we non-tender Loney. Not that there aren’t better 1B on the market, but because almost none of the criticism the management had on the team centered on Loney.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

and also because I think he has trade value anyway.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we can get something for him. Can’t really think of too many teams that need a 1B though… Nationals, Cubs, Brewers (if they dealt Prince), Tampa, Orioles?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is Billingsley on a list of “potential non-tenders”? I know he says he’s an obvious tender, but still.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It has all 6 arb eligibles.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

there's a part of me

that wants to non-tender Russell Martin and let Barajas have the job, which seems likely since BJs already on board. But I worry we’re not replacing him talent wise, and won’t be saving enough money to find an equally talented replacement

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone forgets

that Ellis is going to be awesome

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

key word going to be. How far away is he from putting up Russell Martin numbers?

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

September 2010

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, which version of Martin?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

well not this years obviously. But I guess you’re arguing that Russell shall never return to form and we only need replace a broken shell of a man

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to bring martin back for around 4 million

and give him more days off with Barajas or Ellis. I’m not ready to completely give up on Martin, but I don’t think he will ever be the hitter he once was.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a very strong chance of never

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rod is a nice backup or maybe platoon guy, but is horribly exposed as a full-timer. As bad as Martin has become, he’s oddly enough still around average as far as catchers go.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

A good villain is hard to create because

I really believe that a good villain (to use good in the sense of being believable and effective). That is why to me, the best in popular culture in the last 40 years are Darth Vader (especially in Episodes iV and V) and Voldemort.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought Heath Ledger’s Joker was pretty awesome.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

May I ask

What’s a good performance?

by Alex41592 on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know.

I’m not a big movie guy. I didn’t find anything awesome about his performance. I thought he whispered alot and walked crouched over. That’s the sum total of his acting from my point of view.

But I’m a much better baseball critic than film critic.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

yikes

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The reason I liked Ledger because the Joker was believable as someone who was (a) diabolical, and (b) didn’t give a fuck. It was different than most villains IMO.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was an extra darkness to him that I enjoyed.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

and crazy as fuck

which is probably part of b

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

But to those points

What does that have to do with Ledger? How did he specifically communicate that to you as opposed to how the character was written?

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

by acting

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that could apply to any character ever

His portrayal of The Joker was what I liked. I don’t know how to separate the two.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

he was also profound and unpredictable

and funny

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by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

(with your last sentence ;-D )

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by underdog on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

For every ten people who loved it

there is one Michael White. Although I can agree that the film was overrated, although probably not to the degree you do.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like there’s part of a sentence missing somewhere.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's not a crowdpleaser

but I always thought Hal 9000 from 2001 was a fantastic villain…there’s of course no charisma there, but it’s just that much more insidious.

nice post, btw.

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by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. The “no charisma” line cracked me up.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love HAL 9000

2001 just misses the cut if we’re talking 40 years.

Some other great performances are Nurse Ratched, Michael Corleone (Part II), Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men and Malcolm McDowell in A Clockwork Orange. I’d probably rate all of those over Voldemort.

by Alex41592 on Oct 27, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

good ones

I forgot about the 40 year thing…Alex in Clockwork is the only one we’re really asked to sympathize with too! Figures, Kubrick. Jack Torrance ain’t bad either from the Shining. Oh and the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket!

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by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some other Villains I like:

Agent Smith – The Matrix
Bill – Kill Bill vol. 2
Hans Gruber – Die Hard
The Terminator
Jack – The Shining
Keyser Soze – The Usual Suspects
John Doe – Seven
Patrick Bateman – American Psycho

Non-serious Villains
Dark Helmet – Spaceballs
Dr. Evil – Austin Powers
Mugatu – Zoolander
Kim Jong il – Team America
Shooter McGavin – Happy Gilmore

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only one man would dare give me the Raspberry!

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clew Haywood: Major League
Barbara Hershey: The Natural
R.J. Fletcher: UHF

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha Clew Haywood. I always thought of Mrs. Rachel Phelps as the villain.

Should have put both of them on the list!

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s just unnatural.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perfectly normal

My favorite wrestler was Scott Hall

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hate hate hate Triple H. He’s a complete dick and I’m not just talking about his character.

My all-time favorite wrestler is Bret Hart.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet you got his glasses once.

You have a pink leather jacket with Hart Foundation on it?

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely had those glasses.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never got his glasses but I did meet him at the Pasadena Convention Center. Great guy. Fantastic autobiography as well.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You ever see “Wrestling with Shadows”

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course. Saw it the day it came out on A&E.

Like I said, I was a hardcore wrestling fan in those days. :)

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also had a thing for Stephanie McMahon.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Her breasts were surgically enhanced

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that supposed to be a deal breaker?

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. Not for me anyway.

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out of principle

I don’t like Bret Hart for the same reason I don’t like Mat Latos. Not enough T’s in his first name.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seven was such an awesoke movie

The scene with the rotting dude in the bed, ceiling strung with car air fresheners… first time I saw it, when he first moved I put a skylight in my bedroom ceiling.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scariest Villain I can remember recently

was Vidal in Pans Labyrinth by Sergio Lopez

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Enders Game

Is this book ever going to be a movie?

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Still in development hell.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard from Eric in a while

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering that they are letting Roland Emirich

direct Foundation, I hope not.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

right now the guy from XMen Origins is attached. Bleh.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be an interesting movie

Would be a challenge to do it really well, but I’d love to see ti attempted. Was a seriously awesome book.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would take two great child actors. And then it would seal their fates to become cocaine addicts and daily highlights on TMZ, so now that I think about it…let’s just leave that one alone.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hadn't even thought about that

Yea, it would be a real challenge to find kids that could carry that movie. Its one thing to have a movie like Harry Potter where kids are the central characters, but Enders Game, kids would be practically the entire cast.

by EMDarrow on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well in harry potter

they got a bit lucky too, the first two movies the acting was meh, but got better as they got older. Plus enders game is much more serious.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: managerial news.

Joe Girardi is nearing a 3-year, $9.5m extension with the Yankees, per Jon Heyman (and Joel Sherman)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the guy

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve been wondering what’s the secret to his baby-like skin.

by kinbote on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He traded good skin for having braces as a grown ass man.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good article phil

I’m going to actually read it now

by delias man on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I think he’s been busy with work, banging waitresses two at a time, and preparing for the Colts’ next crushing playoff loss.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

it’s annoying to wait for a drink when he does that.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or in an aeroplane over the sea.

by kinbote on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he continue to post at TBLA for awhile?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate my job.

It’s not that I hate where I work…it’s just not what I want to do anymore, and I don’t give a shit.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm. We might have a competition brewing here.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of months ago I would’ve gotten in on this competition. I have since started a new job in a new organization and am back to trying . . . sort of.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

My boss just gave me shit for taking off work next month. I gave them 6.5 months notice that I want 2 days off in November.

I told him to I’m out in 30 days. He is on his way here right now.

He is the definition of weak sauce

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds ridiculous.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds like my wifes workplace

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

“You know how important this time of year is for us. We can’t afford to have you out for a day.”

My response

“Well I’m out on Wednesday the 11th and back on Sunday. I’m not cancelling.”

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take it to the man!

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst case scenario is I leave in 40 days or so.

Staying in the company, just transferring to a spot where my only responsibility is me.

He can come out here and run this joint. It’s only managing 63 people. He has been their boss for 16 years and been here twice.

I’m sure he’ll do great.

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seems absurd on your boss’s part.

Rip him a new one, Keith.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

The important question is this:

What would actually happen if you were out for a day or two? i.e. What would not get done and would it have any real impact on your company?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Production would drop about 10 percent for the 2 days.

I have also scheduled to work extra Saturdays. Every Saturday until the end of the year the doors will be open.

Everyone that works here is an hourly employee except the the guy that will be here for everyone of them.

ME

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing a few GFY would be warranted this afternoon.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If my wife would pick a new job…..

I’d drop em off.

And I need HP to call me back!

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have Harry Potter’s phone number?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would throw it away if I did!

My wife loves that stuff, but I can’t get into it.

I was referring to Hewlitt Packard

LOL

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just noticed your avatar; is that YOU with Snoop???

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah. I wish I was 6-7.

That is Ryan Mallett

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seems almost too tall

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a huge history of QB’s being successful over 6-5 in the league.

Fo sho

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s 1

I don’t think that 1 constitutes huge

:)

by keithc13 on Oct 27, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah I meant life in general

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of The Avengers

Anyone watching Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes? It debuted last week, though there were 20 micro-episodes released prior to the debut. I am really liking this show so far. New episode on tonight.

(Yeah, I watch cartoons. So what?)

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Jon Weisman’s one of the writers for the new Ultimate Spiderman movie, and his brother is the showrunner.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need to catch up on my cartoons

Between all the DC movies and now Marvel I feel way behind.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I need to catch up on the DC DTVs.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg is doing Young Justice, I thought. Do you mean the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon that is supposed to be in development?

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Spider-Man#Television

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. I meant Young Justice.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am still mad they cancelled Spectacular Spider-man. Greg did an awesome job on that show.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't even aware it existed

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

A:EMH is on Disney XD or you can catch the episodes on the Disney site.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, that's what those were, micro-episodes

Caught some of them with my kids, thought they were well-done.

And, yes, I read the whole thing, Phil. Very nice, thanks.

OK, back to work.

by TopDeckTrueBlue on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

To bring it back to baseball
“But you look at doing the job he has done for the amount of years he has done it, and transitioning from a team that was built around Barry (Bonds) to another team that is now built around a pitching staff, largely drafted and in-house, that’s tough to do. Think about a franchise going to the World Series twice in nine years, that’s pretty good.”

And this quote is from…

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think MCC agrees.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

they may not agree but if they win it all, do they really care?

I have had this argument before with others, in the end, does it matter how wisely (in your opinion) your team was put together or does a title justify the means.

Certainly, statistics like WAR or VORP, BABIP or FIP are valid data points for discussion but all it takes is a waiver pickup to hit a few home runs and those things just fall by the wayside.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but it also shouldn’t necessarily be a credit to the GM.

Hell, how long were we stuck with Fred Claire because of ’88?

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

You can calculate every statistic you want, but at the end of day there is a luck factor and the ball just not bounce your way. Thats why Frank hired the Russian!

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you spend about $180 million on two players who aren’t on the roster, or is a bench player for you, you should be able to take some criticism.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

It matters in the long run

you don’t want to keep hopping he gets lucky and decisions like playing Bengie over Posie for half the year don’t kill your season.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t that actually work out perfectly though? They still made the World Series and they get an extra year of Posey.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which would have been less of an issue if the Giants didn’t call up Posey last sept and bench him.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if they missed the playoffs by game, its looks like the worst decision possible. However he did it, Sabean completely lucked into this season in terms of offensive production, and he almost butchered the one semi sure thing he had in Posey.

by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if they missed the playoffs by 10 games like people thought they would, it looks good again.

It’s like the Mets paying Bobby Bonilla until 2025 or whatever, there’s plenty of ways we can make fun of Sabean, why make fun of something that can be justified?

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Molina was crap

and they barely made it into the playoffs.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does it come in a box?

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had an OPS of 74

60 with the Rangers. I’m pretty sure MCC isn’t going to start loving Sabean even if they win this thing.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because a team that is contending (yes, with their pitching i thought they would contend this year, and I’m sure they thought the same) should never keep a player in the minors for contract reasons.

by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. I guess if you think “signing Aubrey Huff, Juan Uribe, Freddy Sanchez, and Mark DeRosa will lead me to the playoffs” like Sabean totally would, you have to have Posey there.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or because their pitching was so good and nobody in the West was a clear dominant team, any offensive help should have been there from the beginning.

by UCLADodger32 on Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whats the bust factor for TBLA?

How many mods would it take to disable the site?


bus factor is an irreverent measurement of concentration of information in a single person, or very few people. The bus factor is the total number of key developers who would need to be incapacitated, (as by getting hit by a bus) to send the project into such disarray that it would not be able to proceed.1

One? Two?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh, you said bust.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops should have said Bus

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bust factor

Boob Talk enters Day Three

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It feels like most of my projects have a negative bus factor.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

I would like to think my company in general has a bust factor of at least 3, although I’m pretty sure there are a number of projects that could be labeled as a one.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Eric was on the bus

it could take out the lot of us without TBLA missing a beat.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

but if Eric goes down, how many more would have to go before it would fall to anarchy? None? You? DY, MW?

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be humble

but if Eric and I were on the same bus, I think it would take a while to get this gig back under control. Mike, Brandon, and Dave all have full time gigs that they can’t really take the time from that would be needed to run the site. The worst nightmare would be SBNation panicking and hiring Steve Dilbeck to run the site:) The best would be signing Kensai or Mike. Or we could just let Tripon run it.

If that bus did indeed hit us, who among the current posters would you like to see take over the site?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josie and Maddz

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

SEXIS

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

There appears to be an echo in here

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

4down and tommy blackjack?

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

:(

Hey man, not cool, lol

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew it

you dont’ want a Dodger site you want a facebook page masquerading as a blog

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I have railed against facebook to much for my pride to allow me to use it often, so I need an alternative.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Score!

Probably just to see how many Kyle Russell articles are written before the season :P

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Track down DT’s Steve and D4P and let them do it.

Oh, wait — you want to AVOID anarchy.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not Tripon

lol, because he would use his powers for evil! If Michael White and David Young had the time I would say stick with them, but maybe we could coax andrew out of retirement in our time of need…

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would just leave you

right when you got comfortable with him

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really want a once a week update of dick jokes and “ironic” pun based nicknames.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then have I got a Twitter feed for you!

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, but I work best as a spot starter running the weekend wheel when Eric is on vacation and deleting pictures without headings on it.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good enough

you would just have to promote a bunch of commentators to writers and between the billionty of them you would get enough articles to fill the week. Works at Battle Red Blog.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would only want to be on the team so I can abuse the press pass really. Don’t think I can write worth a shit compared to Eric, Phil, Michael and David.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

spc7, bearface and rolex.

Let’s get the “i’ve been banned” gang back together.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those names look familiar. Why were they banned?

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

spc7 is the granick guy.

Bearface was a dick who called out Eric leading to a “Go fuck yourself” and banning.

Rolex was the Billingsley basher (we purged all of them)

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh

Gotcha. I missed the epic GFY

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bearface was right about Broxton though.

O

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the end everyone was

who we railed against, and that is why we hate them even more.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

bearface

for being angry at Eric for not being angry.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Getting the banned back together.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You were so close to the great pun!

“Let’s get the banned back together.” That’s what you meant!

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gahaha!

Way back when, I asked who all the side names were ie: Phil/meercat.

You guys said Rolex was Eric’s name.

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note to self: don’t take any bus rides with Phil.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually Craig would make the most sense

but he’d have to come out from hiding and I don’t think he can do that. I say that because common sense is a big part of running a blog like this and among all the posters here, he has the most common sense of everyone. He’d have to remove his thin skin.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could be the site's

beat reporter, but you’re right, I’d basically run this like a better written Dodgers.com facebook page

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you just diss Maddz?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

let’s make the girls do it? ….

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

duh

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

no she’s implied as my partner in crime, she can beat report Chattanooga!

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wait you said dodgers.com

hah, I was thinking along the lines that she runs the tbla facebook page.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, look at you stirring up trouble. ain’t no wedge can be driven between me and Maddz

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love this comment

I’ve quite enjoyed the dual citizenship.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

Yankees declined options on Berkman, Wood, and Nick Johnson. Add a couple more 1B to the available pool.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, one at least.

I’d rather sign Phil than Nick Johnson.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey that man would put up a sick on base for 25 games.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil Gurnee looks like a 2nd baseman.

Meercatjohn looks old though.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Berkman would be a nice pickup since I believe he has a bounce back year in him.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Word was he was going back to the Astros

but you never know

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Astros have Brett Wallace as their future.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

*shrug*

I was under the impression there was some sort of agreement when he was traded that they wouldn’t pick it up so he could come back to Houston.

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s like saying we shouldn’t sign a left fielder this year because we have Jerry Sands.

Please don’t agree with that statement.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Astros have to roll with Wallace. They really have no choice. He looked like a bust, let’s see what happens in his first full year.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite sure how that is the same

since one game ended the year as the first baseman while the other guy ended the year in AA.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had no idea Wallace actually played in the bigs last year.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he hit a HR against us.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed he did

after I made fun of him in my team preview

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Air quotes around played.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember Paul Konerko as a Dodger

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you defame Paul Konerko.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

I’m just leery of a prospect like Wallace getting passed around like broccoli at the thanksgiving table. Reminds me of Marte and we know how that turned out. In the end I’m going to bet he will not hit enough to become a useful 1st baseman.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Jays traded him for the CF version of Dee Gordon.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean Juan Pierre?

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least Marte had the performance. Wallace hasn’t done a thing since A ball.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

but I can see the justification for giving the kid the chance to start the year and not blocking him with a Fat Pelvis

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

But now he looks like a platoon 1st baseman

when Marcus Thames is playing over you, non one thinks you can hit LHP.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d play Marcus Thames against lefties over almost anyone.

by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dang

bad analogy

Okay, he still can’t hit LHP anymore.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a question

Bill Hall at 2B? Would it work? I know he has played there some but I don’t know if he is any good there. Not good at getting on base but still has some pop. I would think that he would cost about what Theriot will get in arb.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Bill Hall just stopped hitting 3 years ago. If it wasn’t for his contract, he’d be out of the league by now.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, he's fine for a utility guy

just not okay with the money he was getting. The guy can play 2nd, SS, 3rd, and the outfield, hits left handers, that guy is someone I’d love to have on my bench. And I’m saying this without looking at his splits.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what if it is like a job sharing with Carroll?

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some odd reason

He hit RHP better last year. By a lot.

Career-wise his splits are pretty even but favor hitting against LHP.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I wouldn’t mind him as a spot starter

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox were only responsible for $1.25 million of Hall’s contract last season.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Brewers didn’t keep him around for in 2007-2009 because he was a good guy.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got 382 PA last season that had nothing to do with his contract. That is a far cry from being out of the league.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might be better than the Beard at this point.

by BFDC on Oct 27, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree with this statement.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not that Casey Blake isn’t w/o flaws. He just needs more days off.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Defensive metrics think Blake plays defense at 3rd pretty well.

UZR 3 year sample has him at 7th among 3B with a +5.4 rating

And B-Ref has him the 36th best defensive 3B ever.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_3b_career.shtml

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

who can play 2nd and 3rd base at the same time

I don't always walk, but when I do, it's into Mordor.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. I didn’t check his 2010 numbers. I knew he was playing better but didn’t realize that he hit near league average again.

by Tripon on Oct 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He had a .772 OPS over those ABs. Plus his splits don’t make it seem like it was all because of playing in Boston.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figure he is probably looking at a contract in the $4M range. I’d pay him that to get most of the starts at 2B with Carroll being worked in when he isn’t subbing for Furcal.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants lineup

Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Huff 1B
Uribe 3B
Renteria SS
Lincecum P

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh shit thats today

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

So say we all.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU KNOW WHO I BLAME FOR THIS DEBACLE?!?!

CARLOS RUIZ!!! FUCK YOU RUIZ!!

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

who is going to ‘dh’ for the giants? pandoval? more like designated double play grounder intoer amirite

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scooping Alex

If Renteria wins the WS MVP he should retire book ending his incredible career.

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 players from the Giants Opening Day lineup

Uribe played second that day. Entirely different outfield.

Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
DeRosa LF
Molina C
Bowker RF
Uribe 2B
Lincecum P

by bhsportsguy on Oct 27, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

if vlad is a potential liability in the field why is he playing rf? its not like rf in phone booth park is a cakewalk

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He still has a cannonn arm doesn't he?

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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

cause apparently he’s only played left like once in his career or something like that, and it was this year

by Josie Becker on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josie for TBLA writer!

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers lineup

Andrus SS
Young 3B
Hamilton CF
Guerrero RF
Cruz LF
Kinsler 2B
Molina C
Moreland 1B
Lee P

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Isn’t this AlexYYYYY’s job (where YYYYY is a 5-digit number)?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 27, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like a good time for part two

Not the biggest fan of a thread that asks what would happen if Eric and Phil were killed off.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/27/1776435/so-that-is-how-a-world-series-team-is-built-part-two

Eric do you want to add the lineups to the comments section?

by meercatjohn on Oct 27, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

We ask because we care

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Oct 27, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

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