Dodgers 2011 #2 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 28, 2010 7:30 AM PDT
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With Jerry Sands running away with the #1 Dodger prospect vote off, it’s time to turn our attention to the #2 prospect in the Dodgers organization. The vote was close between Zach Lee and Sands for a while, but in the end Sands won the vote by an impressive margin, 31 to 20. Kenley Jansen, the high vote getter in the original (and flawed) poll finished with only 10 votes.
Given the success of the manual voting, in which TBLA members used comments to cast their vote, I’ve decided to continue with that method of voting for at least the next few rounds. This thread will serve as the informational post, and should also be used for all discussion regarding the voting (or anything else). The voting for the #2 Dodger prospect can be found in the fanpost section, and again please only use the comments there to cast your vote (voting only once of course).
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Also, for this next round I’m not just going to limit the voting to the two runner ups to the #1 vote, but am instead re-introducing all of the options from the original vote. Starting in round 3, I’ll most likely add even more options, so feel free to suggest who needs to be added. Anyways, for Round #2 of the Dodger prospect voting, here are the options:
Zach Lee (19.5 years old) RHP – 2010 1st round pick given a $5.25M bonus has solid makeup and 3 potential plus pitches. He is expected to move quickly throw the minor league system, though he signed too late to play in 2010. Baseball America’s most recent report says that he has "90-93 mph fastball that peaks at 95, with plenty of running, boring action and exquisite command".
Kenley Jansen (23.5 years old) RHP – Dominated the minor leagues, and then went on to record the 4th lowest major league rookie ERA in major league history (min 25 innings) at 0.67. Still technically a rookie heading into 2011, major league batters also hit just .130 against him. Will almost certainly stay in the bullpen for the rest of his career.
Dee Gordon (22.75 years old) SS – Has a .297 career minor league batting average and has 126 stolen bases over the past 2 seasons, and scouts still describe him as very raw with a ton of potential. Was one of the younger players in AA in 2010, and despite making a lot of errors at shortstop, many believe he has the tools to one day be a plus defender.
Trayvon Robinson (23.5 years old) OF – Is a switching hitting center fielder that has shown a ton of improvement over the past few years and has posted all around solid and consistent stats. He hit .300 in 2010 for the second season in a row, and was able to improve his OBP from .373 in 2009 to .404 in 2010. He also stole 38 bases in AA and had an OPS of .842
Allen Webster (21 years old) RHP – Webster has been excellent in his 3 minor league seasons, and has a career minor league ERA of 2.76 in 218.1 innings. While his strikeout rate dropped a bit in 2010, his 131.1 innings with the Loons as 20 year old almost doubled his workload from the previous year, so it was expected that he’d tire a bit. He has a low 90’s fastball that hits 94 and has a lot of sink, and his curveball is very solid.
Rubby De La Rosa (22 years old) RHP – Always known for his strong fastball, De La Rosa burst onto the prospect scene in 2010 with a 2.37 ERA in 110.1 innings and won the Dodgers minor league pitcher of the year award. His season was split pretty evenly between LoA and AA, and he actually improved most of his stats upon getting promoted to Chattanooga. He was clocked at 100 mph this year and also has a power slider and a changeup that has potential.
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sorry there was a bit of a delay
b/c I had to make both posts and then link them…it should be all working now
To me, it’s a tough call between Rubby & Lee. I went with Rubby by a hair, mostly because I want to see Lee throw a pitch for us first. I can see the reasoning behind Jansen and Trayvon. Both profile neatly within their very specific parameters. I still think the pick should go to the player with the highest potential realistic ceiling. Looking forward to the discussion.
that's an interesting way to look at it
for the record, I voted for Trayvon, because I think he’s shown the most talent for someone that isn’t a relief pitcher. Yes, I was swayed by the relief pitcher argument in threads past.
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What is Rubby’s realistic ceiling? SP 2?
I l ike your methodology of the highest potential realistic ceiling. We can’t say Lee’s realistic ceiling is higher than SP2 and seeing as how Rubby has logged a few professional innings, I’d vote for Rubby per your methodology.
That being said, I still voted for Travyon.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Terrible Terrible Terrible comp
they are nothing alike other then they play CF, are black, are fast, and have little power:)
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comp looks good to me.
I was going to bring in the whitey and say Repko, but he showed even less power and speed.
Trayvon vs. Abercrombie
At age 22:
Trayvon (AA): 523 PA, .300/.404/.438, 9 HR, 73 BB/125 SO, 38 SB/15 CS
Abercrombie (AA): 479 PA, .261/.298/.449, 15 HR, 16 BB/164 SO, 28 SB/9 CS
So they are exactly the same
minus the walks. Looks like delias was right :-p
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Can Trayvon walk this way to the major leagues
or like Joey Gathright will that minor league plate discipline dissipate faster then an in and out burger sitting in front of Eric?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gathri001joe
Donnie's photo, and a dumb question
So AFL teams wear their potential MLB unis and just the cap of their team? Or is that just for managers?
I voted for Lee, by the way, but strictly on potential.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 28, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
All players and managers in the AFL
wear their own team’s uniform’s, and just wear the team cap
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 28, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
For the first quarter of the Clipper Game last night Blake Griffin
looked like superman, for the next three quarters he looked like Clark Kent.
His first professional basket was one of the sweetest plays you’ll ever see. His next five plays just about matched it. It was the sweetest 10 minutes I’d seen by a Clipper in many a year.
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Ran completely out of gas. Griffin kept the Clippers in the game in the 1st half, Gordon did it in the 2nd.
Not impressed with VDN. Kaman and Baron were absolute disasters. Can’t win if you get nothing from those 2.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't know what Baron's +/- was but it had to awful
Foye wasn’t doing much, but we were in the game as long as he let Gordon be the boss. I kept waiting for VDN to put Baron back in, but when he did the team collapsed. Actually amazing we were even tied at 80 given how only Butler made any outside shots. Hell of an inside game from Gordon, what a slasher he was last night but no outside shot.
Kaman was just off but they sure kept going to that well time after time. At least they were entertaining, been a long time since I was on my feet that many times after a great play.
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There were a TON of Giants fans at the bar last night
I have no idea where they all came from. Southern Boys aren’t used to girls talking shit back to them. Also, no one out there gets the Southern California/Northern California dynamic. When I answered a guy running his mouth, the boys tried to “cut me off”, thinking I was drunk (ha, little do they know I’ve trained in the Humma School of Drinking), but my roommate just explained that “Fuck the Giants” was less of a rhetorical device and more of an overarching ideology.
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Tried to cut you off?
You should have told them TGFY
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking as a Southern boy...
I’ve known exactly two Giants fans in my life. Nashville must be some weird epicenter.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 28, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, there were two tables full of people wearing orange and black
and Giants gear in general.
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Probably just a meet up
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FUCK THE GIANTS
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
by MR.F. on Oct 28, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd and
FUCK THE GIANTS
AGAIN
02-13-2011
by MammothDodger on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I have, actually
Wow! Thanks for reminding me! Too bad I was supporting a friend who is a Rangers fan and I don’t currently have cable.
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Juan Uribe is quickly becoming public enemy number one
The only thing worse then what Uribe is going right now, is if Ned was to sign him, and then watch him regress to his historical putrid self.
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That is definitely what worries me
the dude is due to regress in a big time way. My hope is more that some other team,; maybe even the Giants, will way overpay for him in a Juan Pierre type contract, given one hot year and then be sorry. I don’t want to be the sorry one
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You know what's really sickening?
Riding in a vanpool with 7 Giants fans 10 hours a week.
I suggest jumping out of the moving van.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I commented to a friend of mine
(and decided not to do it on Facebook because I didn’t want to cause a riot of comments back at me) that “It’s amazing how many more Giants fans there are in San Francisco these days. Where did they all come from?” ;-)
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Tough Decision
I chose Rubby though I was going back and forth between him and Trayvon. I was swayed the velocity.
Voted for Rubby because I see Trayvon as a fringe MLB starter. Yes, he’s more likely to make it to the major leagues because he is closer now, but I feel like if Rubby were to continue to improve his ceiling is higher than anyone else on this list, Lee included.
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I went with Kenley
I’d say the odds are higher that Kenley is still pitching in the major leagues long after everyone of these prospects has come and gone or been turned into relief pitchers. Fuck WAR
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Trayvan sabotage
Change OPS to OBP above.
I still voted for Kenley though. He has high upside and a good chance of achieving it.
I'm going to assume Dodger fans no longer think Cliff Lee is worth 200 Million
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/28/1779638/how-many-dodger-fans-did-cliff-lee-kill-last-night
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Yeah, that was me. I think I may have drank to deeply from the Gordon kool-aid. While he didn’t have a great 2010, I still think that the promise he shows is the best. Robinson is probably the better player right now, but I still believe when they both put it all together, Gordon will be the better player.
With Gordon, I feel it’s more hinges on if he puts it all together then when
While I could say that about any prospect (and some of the current Dodgers) you get my point.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
If Zach Lee was left-handed instead of right-handed
would be get more votes? would he have gotten an even bigger pile of money to sign?
I voted for him because the reports, and Logan White sending $5.25 seem to indicate that he’s already got what it takes to have better odds of realizing his potential than Rubby does, even though Rubby has tasted AA ball. Odds are still pretty darn high that De La Rosa ends up being Rubby the Reliever, though I am hoping he makes it as a starter, of course.
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Probably not more money
but he’d certainly have more value.
Assuming you mean he’d be the same pitcher, just a mirror image (Let’s call him Eel Hcaz). He’d be more valuable to us down the road, but I don’t think his bonus would be any larger. We paid for Player X + extra money to not go play football. Whether Player X is Zach Lee or Eel Hcaz, the talent is the same, the circumstances the same, the money should be the same. we may have even signed him for less because lefties are weird like that.
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Not more votes
because I think those not voting for him(including myself) are doing so because he hasn’t thrown a single pitch for us in the minors yet.
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My belief in Zach Lee
also coincides with Logan’s belief in him. Also if it wasn’t for the money and signability issues (since most thought he was going to LSU for football) he would have likely been a top ten pick. Top ten picks have the highest ratio of being successful in MLB. Aside from just the money factor, Logan said he thinks Zach is more polished with better mechanics at his age than either Billingsley or Kershaw. That bodes pretty well in my book.
Still, its tough to grade when he hasn’t thrown a pro pitch. Then again, people want to see Rubby repeat his performance, Sands keep his power at higher levels and Trayvon get his K rate down with a more sustainable BABIP.
Since we don’t have a true A grade prospect, any of Lee, Rubby, Sands, Trayvon and Dee could be our 1 – 5 in any order as far as I’m concerned.
Logan said he thinks Zach is more polished with better mechanics at his age than either Billingsley or Kershaw.
Do you really buy that? Not that I think he’s lying per se, but I don’t swallow something like that wholesale. He probably likes Lee alot, but theres a sales job going on here too.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I believe it because he signed him against all odds.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw and Billingsley were also signed at slot right after the draft. White didn’t have to date any of them like he did with Lee.
If Kershaw and Billingsley wanted more money to sign, they probably would have gotten it.
I buy at least 80% of it
and thats enough for me to assume this guy’s floor is a bottom of the rotation starter. THAT is projectability! :)
This
Zach Lee Kershaw was #2 on BA’s list in 2007…looks like Lee follows same path..
by coloblue on Oct 28, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions
Andy Laroche was #1 that year (19th Overall), what does that mean for Sands?
Elbert #3 (31), Loney #4 (44) also that year.
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I’m guessing it means absolutely nothing for Sands.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
The only conclusion I can come to
is that Andy was muscled by some MS-13 types that his brother paid off to make Andy perform poorly by intimidation so that Adam will remain the greatest Laroche.
His Minor League numbers were so great.
Like many others, it's between Rubby, Trayvon, and Kenley for me.
Like G. Scott, I fear that Trayvon is a fringe starter. If he is a defensive backup… I dunno.
Phil’s argument about Kenley is right on: he is hitting his ceiling, there’s every reason to believe he will be able to remain there for some time. The fact that the ceiling is low should be considered, but I may dismiss it…
…but I can’t, because I’m swayed by the argument for Rubby. Rubby’s floor is Kenley’s ceiling: even if Rubby completely washes out as a starter, I have to believe he can have a successful career as a reliever. The fact that Kenley is already having a successful career as a reliever is worth pointing out — Rubby still has growing to do — but it’s outweighed by the fact that Rubby might be a starter.
I will be voting for Rubby De La Rosa.
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By the way
The reason why I can’t/don’t consider Lee is the obvious reason: he hasn’t thrown a pitch for us. I have every reason to believe he will be successful… but I gotta give an edge to the guys who have played at AA or higher.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Robinson
While I think other guys have better ceilings, I’d like to see they don’t all collapse next year like seemingly all our top prospects did. I like that his game is actually improving, maybe with some major league coaching he’d be a fine starter.
The fact that Trayvon is improving is indeed a very good argument.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Voted for Trayvon
Slow and steady wins the race. He took his tools and put it all together and improved his game with each promotion. Isn’t that what you want to see in a prospect? Still needs to work on his baserunning and cut down the Ks, but his steady improvement gives me faith. CF with OBP and speed? Sign me up.
Voted for Trayvon
but admit part of it is based on hope… local boy done good.
But, as mentioned above by Mike Dennis, I like that he seems to be improving.
Unless we sign Werth or Crawford
I want to see Trayvon get some major playing time next year. Will it happen? Probably not.
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There's no reason to
you’ll just start his MLB clock early when he’s not ready to take that job.
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What is it going to take for him to be ready?
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Not
striking out 24% of the time at AA.
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by David Young on Oct 28, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Zach Lee
After we drafted him, I kept a close eye on him, hell, I even subscribed to an LSU site just to get updates. Finally when we signed him me, including a lot of people on this blog, went nuts. He’s going to start A ball at 19, with three plus pitches in his repertoire, there’s no reason for him to struggle. He’s like Webster, except 1.5 years younger.
He's only going to get stronger
Once he gets used to baseball and shapes his arm away from football into baseball shape, I think his arm is going to get stronger.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
he’s so young, i wouldn’t be surprised if he runs into an extra tick or two on that fastball.
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Withrow
increased his velocity by 5 mph, correct me if I’m wrong. Was 90-93 in HS, then reached 99 in the Cal league.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The only reason I don’t expect Lee to gain TOO much is because he was a legit football player, so you know he hits the gym already. He might grow a bit taller and stouter, but I don’t expect him to gain too much more physical strength. Usually, (my assumption) high school kids gain velocity because they’re finally put on a conditioning program.
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Almost everyone
fills out their frame more from ages 18 – 21 though.
Good post.
As soon as Lee throws his first pitch for Great Lakes, is the argument going to morph into “he’s only pitched one game”?
Yes
Until we get a decent sample size the argument will be that the sample size is too small. Rhetoric FAIL :-p.
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Heh
I just would have preferred someone who has some experience managing to be our manager. I still have hope he won’t cock the whole thing up.
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No
it’ll persist until he puts together a dozen starts, then we can look and see where he’s at. Putting together a few good starts shouldn’t make us jump to “ZOMG HE’S AMAZING” anymore than a few bad starts in a row should send us into “I knew he would be a bust!” spiral.
The sample size needs to be developed, regardless of his results.
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This is Silverwidow
not some rational person.
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I’m not going to take the low road and start name calling, but wow, this is as immature a post as I’ve seen.
Don’t bother responding to me again.
I was responding to prosellis
You’re right, silverwidow. Your post was immature. The guy is just messing around.
All good in the hood.
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Well, then, I apologize for the misunderstanding. nolander’s post looked like a mean spirited insult. I don’t mind being teased sometimes, but I take offense when it’s someone that really doesn’t know me at all.
Anyway, on with the discussion!
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
These are times when I actually support the use of emoticons
;-) if there’s a possibility your comment might be misconstrued. Or you can err on the side of caution and not post it. :-P
:-)
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I’m not saying a few good starts vaults him into “elite” status. I just think that the argument of “He has no professional experience” will start to fade once he makes some starts. His potential isn’t going to change based on those starts. But those that don’t want to vote him as a top prospect, myself included, won’t have that argument to fall back on.
I didn’t vote for him for the same reason, but I don’t see it as a reason to NOT vote for him. I don’t see it as him lacking experience. I see it as the other guys having more experience than him and having proven themselves up to AA. I use their experience as a reason to vote for them. I voted for Rubby, not against Lee.
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I only voted for Kenley
to keep you company, and now you desert me, to live on that sailboard by myself, surrounded by sharks waiting to take chunks out of my opinion. I fart your way
Did you know
According to Urban Dictionary, Rubby is “A commonly used adjective used to describe degenerates and creeps usually residing in the city of North Battleford, Saskatachewan.”
Can Canuck or Berkowit confirm this?
No! But then I’ve never been near North Battleford, Saskatchewan, nor even plain old Battleford, SK, in my life. (According to Wikipedia, they’re called collectively “the Battlefords”.) It’s small! In fact I’ve never heard of it – Saskatoon, Regina and the euphoniously named Moose Jaw are the only places in Saskatchewan I know of. It’s the only province I’ve never been to – I’ve flown over it several times and once, when I was 10 years old, took a train through it in the middle of the night. I think someone may be joking, but who knows? Not I.
Lee is a fine prospect and definitely in my top 5, but I also believe in sort of meritocracy. We had some guys have some good years and I’d like to see them get some recognition before our bonus baby does. That’s just IMO of course and I could and probably am be wrong. I’d like to see Kevin Goldstein’s rankings at BP because we all know Baseball America will just look at Lee’s signing bonus and lack of any other sure fire top prospect before they annoint him our number 1.
by Mike Dennis on Oct 28, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I felt the same way voting on Gould last year.
With as long as Gould and Lee sat out negotiating, they were/are in “not enough information” land for me.
But like you, I can still vote Lee top 5.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I think anyone voting for Trayvon
who has as much chance as being a starting CF as he does being a future fourth outfielder over a guy we just threw 5 Million at is off base.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s still the difference between trusting scouts and stats.
One has done something, the other has convinced people he’s worth a lot of money.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should define some criteria next time
until then, I’ll be hanging out on your lawn.
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I've got nothing today
all my posts have been weak.
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you and me both
I thought my Rubby Tuesday La Rosa would get more play.
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I liked it
But who could hang on name on him when he changes with every new day?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
As does Linda Keith!
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Favorite movie?
Man that baby was dark. I believe it is only the 2nd movie my wife was not able to watch and had to leave. I stayed, it was right up my ally.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I thoughht it was amazing too
but yeah had similar experience, my g/f was into it but then that scene where Julianne Moore is in the car and that thing happens, was so bloody disturbing she stopped watching right there. Couldn’t get her to watch the rest which is quite amazing, especially the last 3rd.
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No need for criteria
this is an opinion poll but isn’t it obvious the goal is to pick the person you expect to have the most impact in his major league career? What else would the criteria be?
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
Different people will have wildly varying expectations based on wildly varying criteria. Right now my expectations for lee as a guy who still hasn’t thrown a pitch for the Dodgers is a lot lower then Robinson who is putting up numbers in AA.
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And at this point, Lee has as much chance as being a number 2 pitcher as he does being Matt Harrington.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
Now if Matt Harrington had signed that first deal and then failed, he could be your comp but you can’t use a comp of a guy who didn’t sign his professional contract. You can but I don’t think it holds water.
At this point the scouts feel that Lee was either the 1st or 2nd best high school pitcher selected in the draft.
The Dodgers game him 5 Million and they don’t hand out money very easily
He has the perfect pitching frame
He has multiple pitches
If anyone is going to be any good on this list, it would seem he would have the best odds. JMO
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Reading into Law’s and some other scout’s report on Zach, it looks like his offspeed pitches and fastball command is going to make him. I mean, in instructs, he struck out a guy on three pitches… All curve balls.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Scouts loved Harrington coming out of high school too.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, yes, I was speaking to his hype coming out of high school. He had baseball people conviced he was worth a lot of money (obviously not as much as he was hoping for but that’s beside my point) and they were wrong.
Harrington was the most high profile bust from a bonus baby I could think of (even if the situation is more colored.) I’m sure you could come up with better ones.
A vote for Lee is a vote that the Dodgers scouts know what they’re doing. I get that and I have no problem with that vote. A vote for Trayvon is a vote for all of the statistical evidence outlined above.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
But all the statistical evidence
is that he simply walks alot and had a high BABIP. The minor leagues are littered with guys who showed plate discipline at the minor league level but who lost it when faced with major league pitching. If that is all I have to hang my hat on Trayvon, it is not enough for me.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
the system is full of failed high school bonus baby pitchers. Just as the system is full of failed speedy on base AA players who are unable to translate that skill into a major league career.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Criteria
It’s certainly fine if you want to vote based on highest upside. No one is stopping you or telling you are wrong for that. Some of us though also look at the chance of reaching that upside. Depending on who you talk to, Gordon’s upside is something just short of being Jesus himself, but a lot of us think he will be a bust based on his performance.
Hey maybe you are right, our tightwad team gave Lee a bunch of money because it will be worth it when he pick sup his Cy Young award one day, and there is definitely nobody paying me for my opinion for a good reason. But there is a reason it’s a poll with a discussion thread.
by Mike Dennis on Oct 28, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Gosh
How do you say “God Save Kenley Jansen” in Dutch?
Put that on a T-Shirt and I will buy it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he's going to be GREAT in my Tony the Tiger voice
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh
To me, it was a tough call. I’m torn on Sands because I think many are voting based on what they want him to be rather than what he is, while I am probably overly skeptical to combat that.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Whistling past the graveyard.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't every vote like that?
except for those of us who voted for Kenley because we are so skeptical we can’t whistle past the graveyard?
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
With Sands we have reached a point of over-saturation. For instance, he will not play for the Dodgers in 2011. I think people voting him #1 think otherwise.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You can wipe the
Kent beers clean with the three years interest since you’ve yet to buy me one in all the times we have met:)
If I win you let me create a 3rd identity
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a new fanpost
voting for Phil’s new name.
My vote is for Bearflex
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I am skeptical of a player that doesn’t even sniff the top fifteen in the organization one year, and then is number one the next year. Its not like Sands wasn’t in the organization last year. Its the same problem I have with DLR. There must be some reason that nobody was talking about these guys before last season.
True that
but if you check the comments last year, many of us were already enamored with what he did in the 2nd half of the Loon season. When I talked to DeJon Watson he was a guy he specifically mentioned as someone the Dodgers liked quite a bit. This season didn’t come out of thin air.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon was all over Sands last year.
Maybe I should trust his opinion more on Gordon…
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not out of thin air. But I much prefer a progression like Robinson’s: make some noise, slip in the top fifteen, work towards the top.
You'd rather they
suck for most of their professional career then have a good year in the Cal league, and then look like they had a good year in AA because of a .400 BABIP?
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Not performance per se, just some consistency in how they are evaluated. There just isn’t a lot of subtlety in a system where guys can bounce around so radically. Robinson went from not highly ranked, to sort of highly ranked, and this year he will be highly ranked. Sands and De La Rosa went from being somewhere in the pack to the best we’ve got. I just don’t like one season creating that big of a swing in those rankings. I can understand a few spots, but not entire jumps.
Carlos Santana
had a .668 OPS in A ball the year before he broke out.
Sands put up an OPS of 1.019 between Rk/A last year.
by Sean P. on Oct 28, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two reasons Sands got no love last year
1) He was drafted in the 25th round. When you’re drafted that low, you really have to prove yourself to the scouts and prospect mavens.
2) People were able to use the “he’s too old for that league” argument.
Agree with Phil
Voting on prospect rankings is not voting for who is the best, who will be the best, who has X flaw versus Y flaw.
It’s a vote saying “Player X has X flaw and Player Y has Y flaw, but I think X is more likely to overcome his flaws than Y”.
People complaining that we don’t have a clear A prospect because they all have their flaws need to slow their roll. Of course they all have flaws. If they didn’t have flaws they wouldn’t be minor leaguers.
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But we don't have a clear A prospect
And even clear A prospects have flaws.
I want to make a joke about that hat
being beneath Mattingly, but I’ve got nothing.
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From my point of view — which is to take everything literally — Mattingly is beneath that hat.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
I gotta wonder if he has ever found himself sitting in the clubhouse, staring at it, regretting his decision to manage the team.
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I once again dis poor Rubby and vote Zach Lee
in a close one. Rubby’s already looking good and Lee hasn’t really done anything yet professionally, but Lee’s upside is crazy good, he’s one of the Dodgers best signings in years, and he’s just too good to pass up. So Lee gets my vote by a nose.
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?
Nobby? Or another HP reference I missed?
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a nose
I think he means You-Know-Who.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Kenley because:
Rubby – Probably my #2 guy but needs to get the numbers to back up the stuff. If he doesn’t it’s looking more like Troncoso part 2
Trayvon – He BABIPs .350 this year and all we have is “light hitting outfielder Trayvon Robinson walked a lot”
Lee – We paid five million for a righty that tops out at 94?
Gordon – He’s fast! And bad at baseball.
Webster – You can learn advanced pitchability, you can’t learn how to throw hard.
In defense of Trayvon, he’s always had a very high BABIP. He might just be one of those guys that sustains that.
Matt Kemp snickers, then moves a trash can.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No one can sustain a BABIP in the .400s. .350s is about the most you can assume.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he didn’t have some luck on his side, but I don’t think his numbers are grossly inflated by luck.
I lost the exact numbers but a .350 BABIP drops him to something like .250/.360/.370.
I’m not regressing him to an average BABIP, I’m regressing him to the highest reasonable one, even with that, he’s loses something like 60 points of batting average.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe that was the standard line for Matt Kemp until 2010 intervened.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I laughed out loud at this
Gordon – He’s fast! And bad at baseball.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there needs to be an instruct league here as well.
Not to be condescending, but his “low 90’s fastball” that sits between 90-93 and touches 94, is not soft. The man throws hard. I’ll be voting Lee for #3 if he doesn’t win, and Webster for #4.
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The average righty throws around 90-91, so it’s not soft, but it’s not mind blowing either.
Also, fastball velocity consistently trends down once you hit the bigs, so topping out at 94 now could mean worse in three or four years.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, fastball velocity consistently trends down once you hit the bigs, so topping out at 94 now could mean worse in three or four years.
Is this a fact? Because I tend to believe, coming out of high school, your fastball velocity goes up? I just feel like Lee will follow the Withrow path..
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
You might see a rise in a year or two, but it will then dip down again once pitchers hit the majors. Starting in MLB is intensive.
No, Withrow also saw
an immediate jump in his velocity. Course that was his peak, now it will start to drop.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Josh Wall who lost substantial velocity coming out of high school
Simply look at the velocity of our studs Chad and Clayton, they are already several MHP below from when they first started throwing professionally. Or as Tripon says.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I read this a while back, I think it was in the Hardball Times annual. Pitchers can improve by getting more pitchability, but velocity almost never improves. It’s much easier for a pitcher in his early 20s to get into the bigs than a hitter because of this.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I kind of feel like velocity is overrated
I want someone who can throw hard but even more important has a mix of quality pitches. Lee has that Sure if his velocity drops from 94 to 89 that’d be very alarming, but if he can maintain close to that along with his mix of pitches that’s more impressive to me than having someone who can hit 99 but can’t control it and can’t mix in 2 other quality pitches.
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sounds like
someone as equally frustrated with Broxton as I am
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I think that it’s easier to develop a secondary pitch than it is to get that velocity. Both are important, but only one can be developed.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes and no
Both seem hard to develop. Sure it’s not easy to find guys who can throw mid to upper 90s, with a lot of pop. But it doesn’t seem that easy or common for guys to develop quality curve balls either. The fact that Kershaw has and can do both things makes him so special. If more guys who throw hard could develop ability to consistently throw that kind of quality off pitch we’d see more Kershaws, no? To do one or the other seems rare enough, to do both even rarer… But I know what you are saying.
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Right, I’m not saying the secondary pitch is easy to develop, I’m just saying you can teach the guy who throws 97 a good curve, you can’t teach the guy who throws 91 with a good curve how to throw 97.
And yeah it is rare, but that’s why prospects wash out so often. And really, I’d rather have one Kershaw and several washouts, instead of being like the Indians who have all their #1 picks make the bigs have have 4.8 ERAs.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
But I’d rather have two Kershaws. If we’re asking the Baseball Gods. Just in case. :-)
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Can I have a Kershaw and Lincecum
or what Prosellis just said as I was typing
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If you can already generate that arm speed
developing a secondary pitch isn’t that hard. It’s controlling it that’s hard. I went from being a fringe DII pitcher throwing fastball, curve, change to a fringe draft prospect by changing grips on my fastball and throwing a slider. It’s hard mastering a pitch but if you throw 99 you really only need a slider/whatever to have some movement and go <90mph.
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Sounds like a great #2 pitcher to me
if he sits 91 – 92 with two other plus pitches and can occasionally reach back for more.
This was a reply to the Webster line of Reg's post
Lee is a non-issue. He’ll be what he’ll be.
I was talking about how someone throwing 90-94 is a hrd thrower.
John Ely is a soft thrower, Allen Webster is not.
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Troncoso was still pitching in the DSL
when he was De La Rosa’s age.
And got hammered when the Dodgers briefly tried him out as an SP in the Sally league.
And throwing 8mph slower with less command and still has an inferior offspeed pitch.
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I could have sworn people were going gaga over him because he was throwing 97. “People” might just be Canuck though.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
What Pitcher Are You Refering To Here, Reg?
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I Don't Think I Ever Said Troncoso Threw 97.
When he was in the minors the report I read was that he was 91 to 94 MPH. And that was what we have seen him pitch at in the majors, going by Gameday velocities.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, not to be the naiively optimistic one here but looking at the list of choices above
I am feeling more optimistic about our prospects right now than I did 1 year ago. Sure, there were high hopes for Elbert and Withrow and company, but I never felt that sure about them or as excited. I don’t know how many blue chippers are on this list but a few, plus some potentially good depth. That’s better than I thought we’d have just a few months ago.
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To me, the only reason to be more optimistic than last year is that some of these guys have done what they’ve done at AA. That fact is significant and changed my mind about the top guys in the system.
Before I thought about it that way, I saw a completely different list from last year’s and wondered what the hell was stopping this year’s list from all washing out completely, like last year’s did.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yah agreed
and in this system succeeding at AA is huge leap over what we see at single A and I almost then don’t care about AAA numbers as much which sometimes seem skewed for hitters and against pitchers. After that point I start taking them more seriously. I think what has taken me awhile to learn is to not really be excited about prospects, no matter how tantalizing they look, when they are below AA. And even then proceed with caution knowing some are gonna disappoint.
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I'm seeing some odd comps from people for Rubby
For a guy that throws THAT hard, his basement comp is probably Kyle Farnsworth or Billy Koch. even then, both of those guys have had good careers.
It’s not like he’s Withrow hitting the mascot and giving up free steaks. The guy has command and a 100mph fastball.
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Keith Law comment on Matt Cain and x-FIP in general.
Justin (LA)
Last chat you mentioned that you would rather have Cain over Gallardo. Could you expand on your rational? Cain always seems to be outperforming his peripherals and Gallardo seems to have better “stuff”, but needs to harness his walk rates imho.
Klaw
(1:14 PM)
This issue about Cain’s peripherals has come up a few times in the last week, but I think it’s based on a misunderstanding of those numbers, especially the ones used to calculate xFIP. xFIP is based on the theory that a pitcher does not control home run rates, but controls fly ball rates, and that over time his home run per fly ball rate (HR/FB) will regress to the league average. It is not clear, however, that that theory is true, and Cain has a pretty substantial sample so far that says that he, at least, is an exception.
Rubby
The one thing that scares me about him is how many guys throw 100mph in the big leagues for very long? Or as starters? Look at Strasburg, sitting high 90’s and boom hurt. I know this sounds odd, but I’d feel a lot better if he threw 95. I can’t think of anyone throwing that hard that didn’t have to do it as reliever.
Another reason I'm not getting super excited for Lee
I am just so wary of young pitchers blowing out their arms.
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But one thing about Lee is that scouts have mentioned how good his mechanics are. A lot of those pitchers that blow out arms have mechanical flaws that a lot of people see before they are drafted. I know that Prior and Strasburg both had plenty of people criticizing their mechanics as making them prone to injury.
I thought I heard Prior had good mechanics back then
but that was probably just the bozos on Baseball Tonight.
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I thought I heard that, too.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
I swear I remember the words “perfect mechanics” linked to Prior. I don’t know if the people who said that knew what they were talking about, but it was definitely said.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this was similar to the Strasburg hype
Everyone trying to outdo each other in the frenzy to outdo each other and get some people to read their shitty articles. Bunch of knob gobbers.
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Both as in Prior and Strasburg?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
lol inverted 'W'?
Why not just call it an ‘M’.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Prior had great mechanics until his arm blew up. Much like Lincecum had terrible mechanics until he became Tim Lincecum.
I’m really not sold on any mechanics analysis because of this.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Lincecum’s mechanics have always been a cause for concern. You probably follow more closely than I do, but I don’t ever remember Prior being described as having great mechanics. While I don’t buy into one idea of good or bad mechanics, there do seem to be some things, like the inverted w, that are a cause for concern.
Really?
Again, I’ve heard that Lincecum’s mechanics are awesome because he doesn’t put stress on his arm or some BS. Again, probably from bozos.
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Prior was describing having great mechanics coming out of college. But part of that was because his personal pitching coach was hyping Prior up.
We don’t really know what really makes good pitching mechanics. We do know that the actions of pitching just fucks up your arm.
Put just the phrase “perfect mechanics,” in quotes, into google — with no mention at all of Prior — and this is the third link.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
epic pull
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You couldn’t swing a dead cat without hearing about Prior’s great mechanics.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Phil posted a video awhile back about pitching mechanics and flexibility. Basically, with strong legs and a wide-stance delivery, it will decrease your chances of blowing your arm because you’re essentially using your whole body more.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
JMT (Pittsburgh)
Can you further explain your Lambo tweet? No one else has made any comment about this behavior and his performance on the field has been very promising so far.
Klaw
(1:28 PM)
I described the specifics of his on-field behavioral problems here in the AFL in one of my recent blog posts. And since then I’ve heard more stories from scouts who saw him this year and last. Hey, Andrew, if you’re reading: Grow up before you flush all that talent down a great big toilet.
Little known fact but
“Lambo” is actually an Italian word meaning “Guzman”
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Yep
I just bought a Guzmanghini.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Law said Lambo, during an at bat, flung his bat into the stands after swinging. Instead of walking over to retrieve his bat, he was waiting for the fan to give it to him, which caused the game to be paused. Next thing you know, he does it again.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
We Had Some Setbacks With This Year...
…pitching prospects but I am confident that at least some of them will get back on track. I am already looking forward to the next draft, and wondering what hard-throwing HS pitchers Logan White will take. I hope we draft Bryan Brickhouse, a righty whose fastball sits 92-94. Probably more of a second rounder than a first-round guy. I love his name. I would love it even more if it was Brick Shithouse, but one can’t have everything.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
He’s mighty mighty, letting it all hang out.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, I’d love to have some more hitting prospects. So we got Sands, that’s a start. But can we get another please.
by Mike Dennis on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I was hoping Songco would be one of those guys
but he has other issues that may hinder his ability to be in the bigs. We’ll see.
And Russell of course, if he can cut his K’s down from 80% or whatever they are :-/ (Another one I had high hopes for)
But they need to find players who have other talents other than ability to hit the Rob Deer out of the ball, so that would be nice.
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We have those guys
Jerry Sands
Kyle Russsell
Blake Smith
Chris Jacobs
Other then Sands will any of them have a major league impact.
I see nothing wrong with your request but I think you have to be more specific and less general. Something like
Can we please draft a clone of Joey Votto
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Also most power hitters who can actually hit
Are drafted in the first 10 – 15 picks.
Well the upcoming draft
is our chance
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Anyone who has power who can play the corners?
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Hitting prospects for Logan White
Must be like what anal is to most girls. They just don’t do it, unless you get them drunk first.
by Mike Dennis on Oct 28, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Didn’t see this comment coming.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have been hanging out with the wrong Mike.
by delias man on Oct 28, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not sure I can respond to this without getting in trouble.
Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll
I wouldn't
(I felt the same way btw)
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White Is An Ex-Pitcher
He probably trusts his instincts more judging pitching.
Only one Pac-10 team (Washington) in the preseason AP college basketball top 25. Sad.
Good for Gonzaga (13) and San Diego St (25) though.
Comment at
10:37 AM PDT leaves me kind of speechless. Maybe I should get back to work after all.
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Keith Law
As for Five Guys and In-n-Out, I stand by my assessment that Five Guys offers a better burger. Most of the counterarguments I’ve heard revolve around the In-n-Out burger package, not the meat itself. When you cook an extremely thin, tightly packed hamburger to well done, as In-n-Out does, you’re going to end up with a dry product. In-n-Out compensates for that by putting Thousand Island dressing, which at its heart is just jarred mayonnaise, on the bun, which adds fat back to the sandwich and keeps the bottom bun from getting soggy, but the burger itself is as dry as it gets. If you don’t believe me, try this experiment: Order a plain burger at both In-n-Out and Five Guys – no cheese, no condiments, no vegetation. Just the burger. Five Guys also cooks their burgers to well done – I wish they would stop at medium well – but the burger is thicker and loosely packed, so it retains some moisture and fat. I just don’t see any comparison.
that's right
I tried Five Guys for the first time about 10 days ago in the DC airport, it was delish. Tender and greater flexibility in the condiments, plus the Cajun-style fries are a slam dunk over In N Out fries.
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Where you flying Jet Blue?
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My first time having Five Guys
was at 5am at the Five Guys at the airport in DC. Stepped off the plane hungry as hell, looked around and about 10 feet to my left was a Five Guys. It was a sign, I had to eat there. Their double burger was 5 bucks, but totally worth it.
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American, out of Reagan
I had time to kill so I saw the Five Guys in the US Air terminal, went in and ate, then went to my terminal for the flight back to Chicago
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Hell yeah
The cajun-style fries are freakin awesome.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Five Guys was way more expensive
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In N Out
This might get me burned around here, but I’ve always thought In N Out was massively overrated.
I'm shocked.
In related news, I’m starting a burger blog for class, does anyone have any places in mind?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you looking for dives in the wall, regional chains, or fancy places?
I know Josie likes Yellow Basket. I’m particular to Steve’s.
I’m looking more at dives.
For example, I’m not going to do a write up on In-N-Out simply because everyone has tried it already.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
MunchBox
on Devonshire in Chatsworth. I think you are a dive if you only take cash as tender.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Rod's on Artesia
in Redondo Beach.
Not epic, but pretty good and the price is right. Sub Zucchini for fries, though the fries are good too.
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if you are serious about Rod's
then you have to include every other Jim’s, Rick’s, Ted’s, Fantastic Cafe type Char-burger joint that litters LA County.
Fair enough
it’s all the same.
Piggy’s in Hawthorne, Steve’s in Torrance, Phanny’s in So. Redondo, Y-Not in torrance. It’s all basically the same.
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fried Zucchini's?
Because those are bomb.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The Oinkster has a decent burger and at a good price during happy hour.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 28, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
that place is also marty approved.
I believe we should get Marty a stamp.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I really like
the burger at the Brewery across UCI, but its pricy and probably not worth an hour drive. Bacon Peppercorn, mmmmm.
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J-n-J's
http://www.yelp.com/biz/jnj-burger-shack-los-angeles
i’ve yet to try the burgers (i always end up ordering BBQ, mmmm) but MAN do they look amazing.
Fancy places
Any burger that is $10 and higher is a crime.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno. I once had the $17 (!) burger at the Four Seasons hotel.
It was pretty fucking good.
But then again, I wasn’t the one paying for it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
There are so many burger blogs but they all seem to hit the same spots. I’d like to see one that hits those places that everyone drives by, but few people actually try.
I can’t find these said burger blogs in the LA area
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah good point, I guess most of them are not specifically located in LA although the big one, ahamburgertoday.com does most of their stuff in LA.
That website is biased against orange county
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What are you talking about?
Orange County doesn’t have any good hamburger joints!
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What?
We have 50 percent of the nations Red Robins and Chili’s!
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Not many Applebee's actually
Chili and Red Robin have muscled them out.
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Oh I agree
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More to the point is that all of the many food bloggers who cover burgers will hit the same spots: Umami, Father’s Office, Apple Pan, Pie & Burger, 25 Degrees, James Beach, etc.
I've been to three of those
Have yet to taste Umami, 25 degrees, and the only i had at James Beach were the fish tacos, which are great if you want to spend $20
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it's all that
Fries were unimpressive and they don’t serve ketchup, which is a travesty. But the burger and beer was great.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No lines or waiting? At the one in Helms Bakery?
As of a year ago, it only served lunch on Fridays and the lines were awful and you couldn’t get a seat. Has any of that changed?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
it is a dilemma for me
I am in the area every monday night (Adams & La Cienega) at my in-laws house. But I am always eating with them instead of doing something else.
Father's office
In Culver City is my favorite burger in L.A.
Favorite (and by far the best IMO) hot dogs in LA are at Frank Dogs Cart across in the parking lot across from Father’s office in CC.
That is Let's Be Frank
and they are incredible hot dogs.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
That sounds like Scott Elbert
Drew (Midtown)
What’s the story with Scott Elbert? I assume he quit the game, but I hear he’s in the AFL.
Klaw
(1:51 PM)
Saw him twice – he wasn’t sharp.
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From potential 2-3 starter to at best LOOGY.
He probably saw the first two outings
You know, the ones where he was throwing against the best MiLB competition after taking a year off. His more recent outings have been good.
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Hey got my question answered.
Tripon (L.A.)
Does Zach Lee make your top 100 prospects list? Top 50?
Klaw
(1:54 PM)
Not top 50. I do like him, though. Athletic, clean delivery, lot of upside there.
He already hates Sands
I think we’ll get Lee, Gordon, and maybe Withrow in Law’s 100.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
If Lee has a good year next year
He will be top 50 easily.
ray (burlington, nj)
Have you seen Jerry Sands in AZ and if so, what are your thoughts?
Klaw
(2:18 PM)
There’s some offensive potential there but he’s either a bad LF or headed for 1b.
KLaw
hates Sands
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Nobody likes hearing their daughter is too ugly to be a stripper.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
KG
At BP also doesn’t like Sands’ defense. So that’s two different sources slamming his D…
by Mike Dennis on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
So who was saying he had good defense?
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Well, he’s gonna be our starting third baseman starting next June, right?
(whistles past graveyard)
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we trust their opinion?
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haha
I figured that was a dicey question. I mean they do seem to think Etheir is great in right.
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I've also ready scouting reports that have said
good things about his D. I think the knock on him is that he’s not a “great athlete.”
here was one scouting report that LADodgerTalk quoted in write up on him this year:
In the field, he has enough speed and arm to handle left or right, and was voted as the best defensive first baseman in the Midwest League by its managers.
He can definitely be a 1B, which is not a bad thing, but I’ve seen at least some reports that suggest he can be just fine as a corner outfielder. Honestly I don’t know why Law is so down on his D.
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Another report on Sands from BA this year
Jerry Sands, 1b/of, Dodgers (Double-A Chattanooga)
When Sands spent the season’s first three months tearing up the low Class A Midwest League, it was easy to be skeptical of a 22-year-old beating up on younger competition. While 123 plate appearances is a small sample size, what Sands is doing after skipping a level to go to Double-A is impressive. Sands went 3-for-4 with two home runs, giving him 11 in 29 Double-A games and 29 in 98 games on the year. Sands has made enough of an impression on some scouts to project him as a major league regular with plus power and solid defense at either first base or a corner outfield position.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=9794
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I admit to taking out the part that says
“But he’s a lot like Billy Ashley.”
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by underdog on Oct 28, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see a more detailed scouting report on Sand’s plate discipline. Is his walks from actually knowing the strike zone, or just because people refuse to pitch to him.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerry Sands says:
“Plate discipline is one of my strengths”
That is good enough for me.
ohmygoshthatisfunny.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
As a follow up
≠
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Billy Ashley is on TV!
On “Househusbands of Hollywood.” Huh?
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Also Hugh who covers the Loons
said several times he felt that Sands played a very solid defense along with a great arm. Normally I’d take a scouts view but since Hugh saw Sands play over 100 games compared to the few Law said, I might be more skeptical of Law. Eventually we will find out and learn to trust Hugh’s opinion or not. He was not very high on Rubby. Loved Webster.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way
That guy Ray from Burlington seems to get his questions answered all the time, especially in BA chats.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
For Lakers fans...
At times, the gig over at SB Nation LA basically boils down to being a hit whore, which means Justin Bieber is a Godsend. However, rather than feel dirty about this one, I rather enjoyed Dexter Fishmore’s take on Bieber wearing Phil’s championship ring.
Dexter Fishmore writes primarily about the Lakers for now, but we will probably add someone else, too, for Lakers stuff by next month.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Dexter is hilarious.
I always enjoy what he has to say, especially his tweets.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
What does "Solid Makeup" mean?
Is that a character thing? A body type? A particular set of skills?
On this, as on so many other things, I am ignorant.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
What does “Solid Makeup” mean?
It means they apply foundation so thick that it can be lifed from the face in one complete, solid piece.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Counter
anyone eaten at one of these? I thought it was ok but a bit overrated.
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I don’t know how it’s rated, so I can’t say if it’s overrated. It’s good. Fine. Do I seek it out? Nah.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
You want a good burger? Make it yourself. Mix some steak sauce into the meat, but not too much or it’ll fall apart. Get the grill REALLY hot. Add swiss and sauteed mushrooms and you are good to go.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe some garlic
even a bit of onions if you are feeling adventurous.
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Their meat sucks
but all of the toppings are good and make people happy.
Also
pricey
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I'm a big Counter fan
I have no complaints about the meat, whatsoever.
I am with Jon on this. If you don’t go nuts with the toppings and order some fries to share, it is not a bad deal.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 28, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I first thought
Jack Lord, before realizing he died some time ago. Must be the son of Helen Hayes then.
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Habit is like a clone of in and out
but with more options and different fries and shakes.
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Update on Gordon from BP
Dee Gordon, SS, Dodgers (PR: Gigantes): 4-for-4, 2 R, BB, SB, CS. You can’t find a hotter bat in the off-season leagues, as with five multi-hit efforts in five games, the 22-year-old shortstop is 13-for-21.
PR: Gigantes
Gigantes? Gigantes?! Great, we write him off, and he becomes a star in orange and black.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice to actually see a prospect
go to the winter leagues and perform, usually they suck and get sent home.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing. Our pitching prospects have been getting abused down there the past few years.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Haven't people said
that he tries to be too flashy?
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Tries
to make the impossible play, losing concentration on the simple plays.
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
“not so fast my hamburger eating friend” is a usual saying in football arguments with my friends. Anyways, those guys tell me this new place in lomita is pretty good. www.burgercitygrill.com
My friend lives on that cross street, we’ve been three times now.
Stay away from the chili burger, but the Lomita Burger (Cheese, Avocado, Bacon) is pretty good. Skip the fries.
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Poquito Mas
home of the 12 dollar combo plate. You might as well go to Islands. Though in that same area is a Daphne’s, Subway, Rubio’s and a Chicken Dijon, so that’s good.
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poquito has great tortillas
chicken dijon so salty. can not deal with that place. sometimes I pass all that and continue to El Pollo Inka.
Amazing
how little we’ve even discussed Withrow, Martin, & Miller. A year ago I thought these three would be all over a top prospect discussion.
They had rough seasons, but I wouldn’t be surprised to bounce back seasons from at least a couple of them.
Yeah
but that’s not to overlook what he did in a pitcher’s league at High A.
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I'm sure you mean hitter's league
and that’s a good point.
He’ll still make my top 10.
I don't see how Martin can stay in the top 10
at least as a SP prospect.
His last 9 appearances in ’10:
32.1 IP, 39 ER, 50 H, 33 BB/29 SO, 9 HR
I smell a run off
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I guess I was the only fan of Talkin’ About Sports with Newy Scruggs.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought they were
but I never watch it.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize reruns of The Parkers were in HD.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Chillin’ and Grillin’ was a highlight of the week for me.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw his Twitter account last week, and was similarly shocked.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I sat at the counter of the Pantry
last night before the Clipper game. I forgot how much that is one of things I’ve enjoyed doing since I took my first coffee at the age of 15 in a Copper Penny in Glendale. Hustle and bustle of the fry pan life. Still fascinates me
I remember Copper Penny!
That was one of the places my parents would dare to eat out at with three rambunctious boys.
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Places I went to as a kid
Big deals
Kelbos – which is now a strip club
Farrells – I think a version exists in Arcadia
Bobs – there a some out there but not the same
A&W Root Beer – esp. the one in West L.A.
Delores – again West L.A.
I kind of remember Copper Penny.
and yes, Sambos, used to be on Culver City
Ponderosa – buffet place in Culver City
Kelbos
barbecue place, went there a few times for work parties. Farrells in Van Nuys, Bobs in Glendale, we had an A&W in Glendale right across from Glendale High School. Bobs was the place we went after little league games, I can still remember having my first thick you eat with a spoon Bobs milk shake.
I can remember a time
when there was maybe 1 McDonalds in about a 10 mile radius of where I lived. Not until the 90s did they start spacing them out about 4 miles apart it seems.
Farrells for the birthday party featuring "The Zoo"
Bob’s in Glendale – I used to go there as a older teen after hitting at the batting cages down the street and get a cherry coke, not the premixed kind you get today, but cherry syrup mixed into a fountain coke. Mmmm. I went to a new Bob’s (Northridge) and it’s not the same, but they did have some nostalgic elements, like the wall display of a bunch of Bob’s “comic books”.
Being at Glendale High, did you spend time at Eagle Rock Plaza before the Galleria got built? I actually ate at Foxy’s in Glendale a few years ago, surprised it was still there. I imagine Billy’s Deli is long gone.
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Heh
Those batting cages were owned by a kid we went to school with. I spent hours there. Eagle Rock Plaza was the first mall if my memory is right. We always went to the movies there.
One of the first, certainly first in the area
Saw a lot of movies in those tiny box theaters, a four-plex IIRC. Too much bad Mexican food at Casa Escobar too.
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Bought my first record
at The Wherehouse in that mall, before I discovered that records were cheaper at Music Plus on Central Ave.
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Damn
I worked down the street at Pioneer Chicken on Central when Music Plus went up. It was like the first new music chain, we had Licorice Pizza, Wherehouse, and then Music Plus. I used to go there all the time to spend my 1.60 an hour wage.
White Front, Zodys, Gemco
Fedco, The Akron and KMart. Newberry’s and Woolworths. I can remember being in all of them.
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I can picture that Pioneer Chicken
I wasted many an hour rifling through the racks of LPs at that Music Plus before decide on the ONE album I could afford to buy that day, for $3.49 or maybe $2.99, IIRC, before the prices got jacked up to $3.99.
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Phil Gurnee the Pioneer Chicken Years
I think I can make some of you laugh with the stories of Pioneer Chicken. In a period of 24 months I worked with every type of person known to exist in the South Glendale area.
Sounds like an offseason project.
One story every couple weeks or so.
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Yeah definitely
but The Trough should go over big these days.
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In Kansas City I went to a bar with a pizza oven. Ain’t nothing more satisfying than getting a couple shots and a slice of pizza to wash it down.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
I frequent the Pitcher House in Redondo Beach and they have really fucking good tacos and pizza (mostly the tacos) at the bar along with pool, ping pong (why I go), foosball, beer pong and Cornhole with indoor and outdoor seating.
It’s a pretty legit place to go get a pitcher and 3 tacos for 5 bucks.
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I do not know the word
“cornhole” as a food.
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My mind goes straight
to Beavis and Butthead
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it's not
it’s a game. I only learned about it recently. It might be a southern thing.
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I would just run around making cornholio jokes
Only game I like to play when I drink is “drink my alcohol”. I win every time.
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While
pulling your hoodie strings really tight?
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"are you threatening me?"
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I learned it from my friend from Indiana, so maybe. indiana isn’t South, but it shares a border with Kentucky, so I guess that makes them kissing cousins.
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I don't know why
I immediately paired it with “tacos” instead of “beer pong”. Duh.
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it's a game
also called bags. Basically it’s a beanbag toss game where there are two wooden box-type setups on both sides of the playing area, both are about 6" in height, maybe 2′ × 3′, and have a 6" hole in the center. You stand across from each other and take turns throwing beanbags until someone gets to score X. 2 points for going in the hole, 1 for on top of the box, 0 for missing.
Fun times.
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It's pretty legit
last week, we almost got in a fight with a bouncer who was there off duty celebrating his birthday. Accused us of trying to get my friend (his roommate) drunk to take her home.
He said, verbatim, “You’re a creeper, bro! You don’t think I know what you’re doing? I’ve been working here four years!”
Me: “Four years, huh? How’s that working out for you?”
Scrap.
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you're a mad creeper bro
who says that?
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I've known her since high school
we’ve been hanging out for months now. I have a serious girlfriend, my buddy has no interest in one other than her being hot, but the thing that gets me is this:
That night, I hadn’t seen either of them since April. When I saw them in April, it was her birthday and I bought her one shot because I wanted her to try it. I bought him the same shot that same night. Did he think I was creeping on him?
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I remember having a birthday party (had to be 6 or 7) at Farrells in Orange County.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That burger killed more people then Cliff Lee
by meercatjohn on Oct 28, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i remember going to Hodads once in 2003
It was good but that bacon chunk is a bit much. I was in OB a few months ago and that place had a nonstop line, DDD sure does wonders.
These fries look so good. I want to cry
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 28, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they ask how you want it cooked? I hate asking for medium at some places and still getting a dry burger.
by silverwidow on Oct 28, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Because people who like it rarer
will probably still eat it, where people who like it better done will throw a shit fit.
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It’s ground beef, not steak. It’s my understanding that e. coli and other bacteria thrive in ground beef rather than other cuts of meat. There are regulations (or maybe just advisories?) about cooking ground beef to a certain temperature.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Stories like this one are scary
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/health/04meat.html?_r=1
Ground beef is usually not simply a chunk of meat run through a grinder. Instead, records and interviews show, a single portion of hamburger meat is often an amalgam of various grades of meat from different parts of cows and even from different slaughterhouses. These cuts of meat are particularly vulnerable to E. coli contamination, food experts and officials say. Despite this, there is no federal requirement for grinders to test their ingredients for the pathogen.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
this is why my mom always taught me
to not buy pre-ground beef, instead find a nice piece in the market and have the butcher grind it there
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Isn’t that like a billion times more expensive (rough estimate)?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't eat much red meat anymore
so I don’t cook it at home, thus I wouldn’t know these days. It wasn’t very pricey back then for her…
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My brother-in-law gets all steak rare. He says if you’re ordering from a reputable place, that’s the way to go.
I don’t buy it.
Steak may be OK. I certainly think it can be considered safe at a much lower temperature than ground beef.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
For steak
145 degrees for medium rare (remember that the meat will keep cooking even after you take off the heat so remove around 140-142.
For ground beef, internal temp should be 160 degrees.
No, same seats
I was there at half time. Did you check the 1st level or the 2nd level? The 2nd level I only had last year and no longer have, my real seats are the 1st level, right behind the press box.
I checked the 2nd level first, didn’t find you and then started walking down the first level. I knew you were somewhere around the press box but must have missed you.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So how did the games go?
Steve and I left, so we missed it. Sounded like it was going to be crazy with 100 people wanting to play.
I bailed. It was taking a while before they would even let us get started and like you said there was 100 people there. It would have been cool to just go on the court and shoot a basket or two, but it seemed like you’d wait 45 minutes to play for 5.
Cool thought, but just too many people signed up.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Next time
instead of signing up, they have to have a tryout, you make three free throws in a row you get to play otherwise you get to watch. Course the problem with that is you get a bunch of 50 year olds who only shoot free throws in their backyard.
Donnie Baseball on Trayvon Robinson
“I think he’d be a guy you could pull up, and he could do some things for you if you needed it,” Mattingly continued. “If we were out of it, maybe you pull him up and let him learn a bit right there, but in the world of trying to win — and hopefully we’re in a position to win — to me the best thing would be to get him another year development-wise. He’s coming, he’s going to be a player for a long time; you’d just like him to be a little more polished before he gets there.”
This is a pretty good piece, Mattingly thinks he could play next year at the big league level but he hopes the team is in contention (and this goes without saying, they get another player via trade or FA) so Robinson can play everyday in AAA.
Thanks, all sounds pretty reasonable and hopeful to me
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That is an informative, meaningful, and reasonable quote. He is never going to make it as a manager.
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That reminds of the line Fred Gwynne in "My Cousin Vinny"
Vinny Gambini: I object to this witness being called at this time. We’ve been given no prior notice he would testify. No discovery of any tests he’s conducted or reports he’s prepared. And as the court is aware, the defense is entitled to advance notice of all witness who will testify, particularly those who will give scientific evidence, so that we can properly prepare for cross-examination, as well as give the defense an opportunity to have his reports reviewed by a defense expert, who might then be in a position to contradict the veracity of his conclusions.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Mr. Gambini?
Vinny Gambini: Yes, sir?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
Vinny Gambini: Thank you, sir.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Overruled.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 28, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember back then the snootiest of the snooty film critics, Film Comment magazine, reviewed their best and worst of the year. They put Tomei in best and I think backed her for the oscar… the line that sticks in my head is, “when you’re watching that movie, you realize she either IS that girl or she is a phenomenal actress, and it turns out to be the latter.”
20 years later, I wonder if they’d write the same thing. Probably, because they are snooty.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for that
“pulling him up” sounds like he’s falling off a cliff though, just never heard it phrased that way.
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bq He’s coming, he’s going to be a player for a long time
This is an interesting part of the quote that resonated with me, just because whenever I’ve seen clips of Trayvon playing or sitting in the dugout or participating in shenanigans, he just looks like a guy who belongs in MLB.
I"ve seen Joe Torre
make the exact same quote about Xavier Paul, and I fail to see how Trayvon Robinson is any better a prospect then Xavier Paul.
Might be up to the staph, or the staff, to decide.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And the "polish" line
sounds like something I’ve heard Ned say.
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I meant when Paul was 22.
I mean this a stat site, why is everyone ignoring the .400 BABIP? Not like I’m down on Trayon or anything but he’s got a lot to prove that 2010 was no fluke because it looks kind of flukish based on the peripherals that produced his on base% that everyone is so taken with.
Probably because the thought of
Scotty Pods makes us sad.
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Sure
but I’m talking about a guy with a .400 BABIP against a guy who has never thrown a professional pitch and might blow his arm out the first time he does. Just because it happens doesn’t it Kike Fucking Jones
Kike Fucking Jones
Shaygets.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
an unfortunate misspelling of the first name there.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I laughed
because I knew the intent wasn’t there, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I know myself and regfairfield have mentioned the BABIP issue several times in this thread. That and his K rate are the biggest flags with him.
Don't forget the fringe arm
don’t think he has the bat to justify him playing in LF
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OldHossRadbourn
I really do hope P. DePodesta et al. join S. Alderson in NY so we can finally get Money Ball: Episode 2 – Attack of the VORP.
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the mets are more machine than man now..
cold and twisted
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 28, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Underdog, DodgerSF or other Bay Area posters
what’s the weather like today, is it going to rain on their parade.
I was in SF this morning and it was dry (the clouds were just scattered). Initial reports said it was supposed to start raining this morning, but now it looks like it won’t start until tonight. I dunno if it’ll interfere with the game, though my suspicion is no.
Also, fuck the giants.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
For the Giants, life’s candy and the sun’s a ball of butter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8PW_5dG-o
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, weather looks alright for now
Last night i fake cheered for the Giants (you know, so they’d lose since all the teams i root for loses). It felt unnatural.
Since that didn't work you might as well go back to rooting for them to lose ;-)
Or perform a magick ritual of some sort. Since they clearly performed some serious santeria shit before this season.
But I too was very polite and pretended to be happy for them when fairly polite and slightly drunk G fans interacted with me on the N Judah last night. They assumed I was a fan since I was, you know, in SF, and wearing mostly black (which was my soccer team’s colors)
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That's what I told this guy
“11 to 7?! So much for my 3-2 final prediction.”
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Rain is definitely coming
(and it’s weirdly humid here) but as far as I can tell, and according to Weather Underground, more substantial rain is due after midnight. There’s a chance of sprinkles during game time basically but unlikely to be enough to affect game unless rain speeds up.
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You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
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by David Young on Oct 28, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its disconcerting to get a missed call
and when you call back find out that it was in fact the FBI, and no the lady at the desk has no idea why they called you.
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they’re conducting a random phone survey to improve their customer service?
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Hah
turns out it was for a character reference, but it took them a few hours to get back to me.
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no comment
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You ask for miracles
I give you the F-B-I
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loooooove that line
and they way Rickman delivers it.
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Hans Gruber just might be the finest movie villain of all-time (well, at least Top 5)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The best movie villains of all time are HAL and Harry Lime.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The Third Man is the best motion picture ever made.
Well, it might be second best, but only to The Wrong Trousers. I love The Wrong Trousers.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How did I miss that list?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll say it:
If Hans Gruber had been an SS officer, he’d be Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That line
and “by the time they figure out what hit them, we’ll be sitting on a beach, earning 20%.”
His delivery is impeccable.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
roomie's cat lived up to his name
last night, our drunk/hungover friend did not let him out when he wanted. So Hans marched over to his water glass, knocked it over, and looked at him.
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Off topic fantasy football question...
I need to start a running back out of these two and drop one for a defense (mine is on a bye):
Brandon Jackson (NYJ)
Jonathon Stewart (StL)
Also, Ronnie Brown (@Cin) is available on waivers. Would he be worth a claim? I’d have to drop both (still need to get a defense).
Defenses available:
Minnesota (NE) on waivers
Dallas (Jac)
New England (Min)
Washington (Det)
Thanks!
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I have yet to figure out a way to escape characters on sbnation
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Sorry, reposted as:
I need to start a running back out of these two and drop one for a defense (mine is on a bye):
Brandon Jackson (at NYJ)
Jonathon Stewart (at StL)
Also, Ronnie Brown (at Cin) is available on waivers. Would he be worth a claim? I’d have to drop both (still need to get a defense).
Defenses available:
Minnesota (at NE) on waivers
Dallas (Jac)
New England (Min)
Washington (at Det)
Thanks!
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tough call
Jackson is kind of “meh/decent” (but he’s my backup RB too) but NYJ have tough D. Stewart is normally hard to rely on but Williams is out so my gut says go with Stewart. Brown seems unreliable. Don’t know if I’d want to drop Jackson altogether either though.
Defense: Minn normally good fantasy D but on road against NE is risky, for that one I’d go Wash
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Washington is a boom-or-bust pick. Stafford could be rusty and throw a ton of picks, or drop 70 yd bombs to Calvin. That’s a dangerous game and I’d stay away from it.
Tampa’s D sucks, don’t bother with them. I know they’re facing Arizona, but still. Wells will run all over them.
My friend suggests Denver @ SF. Coming off a big loss against Troy Smith @ QB.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
My Broncos are still missing 5 key players on Defense
though at least they are getting Dawkins and Goodman back which will help. Still they’re gonna need they can play better with that patchwork D, even against a patchwork offense, before I’d trust them again. With all the injuries they will need that bye week to get back to being a good D (fantasy or reality).
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Cthulu is that you?
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Start J-Stew if DeAngelo is out (looks like it).
Defense: Get Minnesota or Dallas. Both can get to the QB.
To answer your Ronnie Brown question, yes, he’s worth a claim. But find someone else to drop besides BJackson and Stewart. The former isn’t a great talent, but he’s in a nice situation (especially in PPR formats) and they’re now starting to give him goal line carries.
J-Stew has been a huge disappointment to me (I drafted him in the 4th round expecting RB2 value) but if he ever gets a chance (this week perhaps) he is far too good to bench. Probably one of the most gifted players in the league.
also replying to underdog here re: dropping either
Thanks again. I’d rather not drop either, but my top 3 RB’s are Lesean McCoy, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Michael Turner. Lesean and Turner are on byes.
Other droppables:
Mark Sanchez (I’d need to get another QB at some point as Aaron Rodgers hasn’t had a bye yet)
Johnny Knox
Dez Bryant
Michael Wallace (not really worth dropping, I’d guess)
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Drop Sanchez. That’s a run first team and you’ll be able to find a Rodgers replacement on waivers in Week 10.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has a SWEET match-up against Detroit that week. He’s probably gone now, though.
Alright, dropping Sanchize for Dallas. Is it wrong to trust Dallas vs. Jacksonville more than Minnesota at New England?
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No, but Kitna will likely turn the ball over a time or three which will give JAX good field position.
Ahhh. I picked up Dallas for now. Maybe I’ll change my mind later. Thanks for the detailed help.
Also, fuck the giants.
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Couldn't you find a trade partner for Sanchez?
I hate the idea of just dropping a QB like that but I know it must be done at times
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I didn't watch the game last night
Was his defense that bad?
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He was very slow, very clunky, and looked like someone who has trouble simply bending over.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB put together a clip
Brutal.
He was terrible.
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absolutely terrible
though i did find myself wondering if Ethier would have made those plays…until Vlad tried to stab at a ball on the ground with just his glove. Awful.
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Still has a cannon for an arm though
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Too bad he also
now moves and catches like a cannon would.
BOOM! Roasted.
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Scanned and didn’t realize there was an actual poll thread.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In the actual article
at teh bottom
"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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Sign of the apocalypse #367357
Headline on obit piece reads:
“‘Officer and a Gentleman’ Costar Lisa Blount’s Death Spurs Web Searches”
It’s like the Onion, except not funny. Try to read the whole piece without cringing.
I didn’t realize Jack Parkman was in An Officer and a Gentleman (which I haven’t seen).
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You never saw Officer and a Gentleman
I guess you were a little young when it came out.
Mayon-naise……..
I only knew her as Lynda Carter’s younger sister.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Urban Cowboy?
I’m assuming that your joking.
Unless your just referring to the bullriding scene
then I’m assuming that your not joking
At the time it was a HUGE hit
now it seems unimportant and less interesting but it was definitely part of a run of fame for her
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Ah Cannery Row
now that is when she almost turned me into a drifter.
I thought Terms of Endearment was one of the biggest pieces of crap that ever won an award.
Yeah
of the Jim Brooks films category, I enjoyed Broadcast News much much more.
But then I am big Albert Brooks fan.
I loved Cannery Row
very underrated imho (tho I haven’t seen it in years)
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Indeed
When they are playing baseball, and he hits the long ball, quite a scene. Nolte was also on quite a run at the time.
The lead simply needs to have a hairstyle that looks like a cresting wave, or else the premise doesn’t work. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Halloween costumes
What are y’all doing?
I’m going to be the Fonz.
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I’m going as “Watcher of World Series, Game 4”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Achorman
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I’m taking some engineering licensing test on Saturday that will likely sap me of all energy for the rest of the weekend. Also, I have no life and am scared of seeing Giants colors everywhere.
Also, fuck the giants.
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what fail on the previous post
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Being sick the last two days has reduced me to go to thrift store and pray for a good idea.
Failing that, buy a box of corn flakes and a fake knife, say I’m a cereal killer, get slapped by everyone I explain this to.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened to being Nigel?! YOU HAVE THE GLASSES. I know you have a tight tshirt you can wear. Just get some ridiculous pants!
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If I find some kind of neon pants I’m in.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Another possible audible if I can find some Hooters gear.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I am going as a sometimes drunken father of two. Tricker Treat.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No costume
4 P.M. play my daughter is stage manager (The Crucible, main stage at LMU), dinner afterward with a few of her friends to celebrate her 21st birthday. We are apparently cool enough parents that we are allowed to attend.
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Is she having an after-party?
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probably just with her boyfriend. ;-)
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her boyfriend the biker? do i remember that correctly?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 28, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
the
martial arts instructor. Also IT guy as a day job.
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Quite probably
It is what Dads do, isn’t it?
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True
that is pretty cool you are going, considering most 21 year olds like to go get many drinks and show off their now legal ids.
I can imagine Maddz and Josie
trying to take her under their wing and show her the error of her ways, sort like delias man and Mike White are to IVironAndSteel.
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Haha, we’d be like, “Put down the coors light. Drink something else!”
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Real women drink Jameson.
It couldn’t go any worse than when I got one of my buddies a double of scotch, neat as his first legal drink.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So do I
hence, real women like Jameson. No slight against your manhood, stand down.
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Just checking.
Went to 300 at the Garden Walk in Anaheim last Saturday. They ran out of Jack so I got Jameson and Coke. It was pretty good that way.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
Expensive boweling
Really expensive bowling. Or is it cheaper then Strike? Also, do they skimp on the alchohol?
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300 things about 300
1) Bowling is 6.25 per game, 5 bucks for shoes regular.
2) Some days, Sunday for sure, from 9p-1a it’s 15 bucks for shoes + unlimited bowling.
3) The kitchen is very well priced and it’s amazing, really amazing food. I got a Buffalo Chicken Sandwich with fries there last Sunday for 10 bucks and i can’t wait to go back.
4) Also has pool tables and lounge area.
5-300) The bar is very, very good. When I asked for jameson and coke I got about 2 shots of whiskey and a top off of coke. Large selection.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
Sounds about a million times better
then Strike
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You’re not drinking everclear from the bottle? Might as well swing by the DMV on the way home and turn in that man card.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even know what that is!
No wonder my applications for a man card keep getting revoked.
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It’s handy if you want to get your drink on or send something into low Earth orbit.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Smirnoff Mixed Drinks
“For when you don’t want to get drunk, but still want to throw up”
I think that one was BH?
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Newcastle here, though not by choice. I didn’t know what I wanted and knew nothing about alcohol so they bought me a 6 pack of Newcastle.
I’ve never drank a beer slower than that first newcastle.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
I don't remember what my first legal drink was
I do remember that my first illegal drink was PBR that my friend, one year older and several years older looking, bought for all of us when he was sixteen at some liquor store that didn’t card him.
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I uh
I started drinking before I turned 21. My first drink was apple flavored bacardi. Blech.
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I thought we all
started drinking before 21.
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I think my first drink
was actually Irish Cream. mmmmm
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Yeah
I went camping in Napa at Lake Berryessa with my girlfriend for my 21st. I think all I had to drink was a few different wine tasting setups, a couple bottles of Chardonnay, we checked out the Napa microbrewery’s (try Downtown Joe’s Amber Red) and a corona or two. All over the course of a weekend.
When I had that newcastle I was in witchita playing in the NBC World Series (amateur summer league) and a couple guys found out I hadn’t had a drink and bought them for me. I was almost 18.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
I have zero recollection of my first drink
I think working at a liquor and delivering death to the drunks in South Glendale, kept me from ever really having much interest in drinking.
Before I drove
I would take the old 31 bus from Eagle Rock to Glendale (to get to Music +). That line went on to Hollywood. There were some really strange folks riding that bus.
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I got a few offers
of blow jobs from some scary woman. I dreaded doing delivery’s, no one normal is having their booze delivered in that area.
Outside of really rich people in hotels
Is anyone normal anywhere getting liquor delivered?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I didn't even know it was done
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Always starts with I don't have money for that booze
it always ends with them finding it. I didn’t do the gig for long, it got uncomfortable working with a guy who I found out had robbed me when I worked at Pioneer Chicken. I ended up having to testify but they plea bargained while we were in the court and I never had to. It was weird finding someone you thought was a friend had pulled a fake robbery and you were the only one who wasn’t in on it other the girl cashier. For a 16 year old kid it was a learning experience.
Ha Ha
mid 70’s buddy, and South Glendale where I worked was quite different then North Glendale where I lived. Except when I got married and I ended back in South Glendale because that is where the affordable apartments were.
Pioneer Chicken was robbed three
times during my work there. Not once was it done by an outside person. However my coolest memory was working in the liquor store and looking up to see two heavily armed police guys at the door. They put their hands to their lips for me not to say anything. Eventually they come in and it turns out someone had made a call that we were being robbed. But as they are taking down our information they get another call about a real robbery. Turns out someone had fake called them to our store while they were robbing another store. I’ve always remembered that in case I needed to live a life of crime.
There was a Pioneer Chicken in South Glendale?
I loved the one in Echo Park and felt like a part of me died when it was closed down along side the Grocery store next to it.
Best chicken in L.A.
That's like the
have your buddy steal a car and go on a high speed chase while you rob a bank theory.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
The problem with that theory
is that if your buddy gets caught he will eventually finger you for the robbery you did.
Pioneer Chicken or Pioneer Take Out as it is officially named is a American fried chicken restaurant which was founded in 1974 there are 3 locations remaining in Los Angeles California. It still exists in China as well.
Someone told me the one on Sunset still exists
or is that they one you were talking about that closed down?
Heh
She really isn’t much of a drinker, though she did enjoy her visit to the beergardens in Germany while she was a student there this summer. Her first legal drink here might be a margarita at a Mexican place near campus, but the restaurant choice is not up to me.
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No one going as the Most Interesting Man in the World?
Or the fake Russian “Opulence I has it” guy?
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things play out so fast these days.
Chilean miner?
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Too much explaining
How will anyone know you are chilean?
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lame joke
I’m going to a party as Scott Elbert, but I probably won’t show up.
Damnit, i wish I had the talent that Humma does, he could have turned that into gold.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Hard to find the perfectly dead-eyed companion.
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I am laughing at the thought of asking an escort service, “No, you don’t understand. I need someone with dead eyes…”
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The Type-A and Type B list out.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/official-elias-rankings.html
Only Dodger to make the list is Ted Lilly as type-A. Hiroki Kuroda, Scotty Pods are type-B
Would need to see part-time FA catcher comps. Probably no more than $1.5m, maybe $2m at most.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe it is worthwhile to offer arb to Barajas? if he says no…and walks then we get at least supp pick? It is not like he is best catcher…
There’s a 0% chance Barajas wouldn’t accept arbitration.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they will end up re-signing him anyway
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still pretty sure he is not eligible to be offered arb. Trying to find out for sure though.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Multiple reports that his contact allows him to be a free agent. Since he doesn’t have enough experience to qualify, I assume that means the Dodgers are essentially obligated to non-tender him. But a non-tender doesn’t get the original team compensation, so I think his type rating is a moot point.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You mean salaries? For FA eligible arb guys, the comps usually used are other FA at that position.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 28, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Rangers Lineup
Andrus SS
Young 3B
Hamilton CF
Cruz RF
Kinsler 2B
Murphy LF
Treanor C
Moreland 1B
Wilson P
Trayvon
While the BABIP of .400 is obviously unsustainable, I’ll just point out that he’s not simply getting luckier than usual. His spike in BABIP is accompanied with a LD% of 22% (compared to 12% the prior year.) For comparison, in AA Sands had a LD% of 16%
Loney doesn’t walk like Trayvon does :)
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
several years in the majors?
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loney is a first basmene
hit some damn hrs.. loney…
trayvon doesnt need to hit LD to get hits… cause of his speed his babip will be higher anyways
Right, which makes more sense for a .350 BABIP, not a .400.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And you are using
minor league stringers who subjectively determine these rates. I guess we should ask Not Joe Torre about that.
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This is awesome, Calvin and Hobbes wall
http://flic.kr/p/66dLFs
http://flic.kr/p/669vpi
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For someone who is only 50% a Dodger fan
@jay_jaffe can be more irksome because of that, when he tweets about the Dodgers.
But anyway, is he talking about this year’s team, or next year’s team? If the former then this makes sense.
Started putting together my player list for Dodgers BP2011 chapter and threw up in my mouth a little. Who ARE these bozos?
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If its for 2011 it’s anyone on the roster now relevant enough to get a PECOTA projection.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yeah. My assumption is at least a few of those bozos will be gone, at least
As I just tweeted him back at least it’s not the 2005 Dodgers, who had Grabowski and friends bozos playing all year round.
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I have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of Trent Ojetien.
by regfairfield on Oct 28, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Jay Gibbons getting a Pecota projection
Russ Mitchell, Trent, Podboy, Theriot, Carrol, Reed Johnson, Xavier Paul, Barajas, Ellis…….
Jay responded to me
wow, those guys were so bad I don’t even remember them as a fan. But sure enough, I did cover them for BP06
“batting fifth and playing first base, Jason Phillips!”
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can we retire 'threw up in my mouth a little'
that shit was old like a year ago. which in internet years is a millenium.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 28, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh, that was one of Jon's pet peeves
but it is a solid description of what one feels when Juan Uribe hits a three run jack.
I just say "I just bat flipped in my mouth a little"
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Aaron Miller
for the next couple of rounds , not saying im going to vote for him as the #3 or #4 but someone might
i forgot all about Miller and i think some people did as well
I think he will start in AA next year
by Chuy Gutierrez on Oct 28, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure he will
but until he can pitch well in AA he is suspect. That drubbing he took this year has to hurt his stock.
I'd vote for Webter over Miller
Miller has the stench of failure on him.
by Michael White on Oct 28, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He should be added
but I’ll be voting for Webster before Miller. Miller before Martin. but is Rubby > Webster, I think that is debatable.
rubby>webster is very debatable. i think i would have to vote for rubby and i agree with you on miller before martin and miller after webster/rubby
by Chuy Gutierrez on Oct 28, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
blech
at least it isn’t diet pepsi. Usually I don’t make a big fuss over Pepsi vs Coke, but diet pepsi is foul.
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Diet Pepsi In Canada Is Excellent. My Standard Beverage
American Diet Pepsi — now that is undrinkable. But so are all American diet pops.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 28, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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