It Was 68 Years Ago Today...
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:27 PM PDT
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PrintOn this date in 1942, Branch Rickey was named President and General Manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers.
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Not touching that
with a 50 foot pole
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we've already been flagged by the FBI
no worries
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The prop 19 discussion sealed that deal
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Since the vote is imminent
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/5/1732304/yes-or-no-on-prop-19
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Second Red Scare
aint got shit on the new Red Scare. Where is Joseph McCarthy when you need him?
Fuck the Rangers in 2010
You needed two comments
to tease, then announce, this “article”? :-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I was going to put up an open thread.
You’re welcome :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So back to baseball - Loney
How do we get rid of this guy?
Can we trade him to Tampa for something?
Loney for Zobrist?
Haha
That is one way, but if we could get something useful for him, that would be nice. There has to be some hitting coach somewhere that sees some potential in him.
That’s fine. Obviously I would rather have something then nothing. But at his salary he hurts the team and potential suitors can give the Dodgers low-ball offers since they think he’ll be non-tendered.
If you get a C prospect for Loney I’d be shocked.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
In a package with Martin and James McDonald
for Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell.
Just sayin
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I still maintain that deal was never on the table.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know. It’s fun to thin about though.
For the record, I still like Martin and hope he comes back. I just hope he hits second more often with Donnie. I always felt like he was better suited for hitting the ball the other way when the leadoff guy got on, getting on base in front of big guys, and needing better pitches to hit, as opposed to trying to drive in runs with the pitcher on deck.
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Agreed about martin
I didn’t get why he didn’t bat 2nd more with his high OBP
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There was definitely some deal on the table
I think it might have just been for Bell.
and sign? The only person I want to replace Loney with is Pena.. and there is a chance that Pena might be done as a middle of the order bat.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010
Edwin Encarnacion. Sure he sucks and people hate him, but he sucks for cheap!
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Also he might be able to displace Hee Seop Saenz as the sluggingist first baseman in my life which would be nice.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
For the same reasons it bothered us then.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It didn't bother people then
Parker, Garvey, Karros were not forced out of town, neither will James Loney.
I’m bringin’ Pierre back
Those other GMs don’t know how to act
When he bats, you know to get a snack
I think he’s special, so cut me some slack
(Take it to Chicago!)
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't see how Karros belongs on that list
He hit 30+ HR 5 times
Yes
what are people using as criteria for slugging? Karros may not have been the perfect first baseman but for the all time LA Dodger home run champion it seems weird that you can’t use the word slugger for him. Was Ron Cey not a slugging 3rd baseman?
Terrible Fielder – sure
Terrible Runner – sure
Didn’t run hard to 1st base – sure
Didn’t play very well in April – sure
DIdn’t age very well – Sure
Did he hit a lot of home runs while playing 1st base during his peak period – Yes
For the same reasons not having a pool bothers me.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Top 10 slugging pct for LA Dodger 1B
1 Eric Karros .550 1999 2 Eric Karros .535 1995 3 Eddie Murray .520 1990 4 Gil Hodges .513 1959 5 N. Garciaparra .505 2006 6 Steve Garvey .499 1978 8 Steve Garvey .497 1979 9 Eric Karros .479 1996 10 Steve Garvey .476 1975
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
James Loney can’t even crack .400.
Does someone have that thread where we all predicted Loney’s output? I would love to see who was closest.
Funny. I was actually planning on a post where I compared the community projections and see who was closest.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I expect I came in last in the pool
hopefully I made up for it with my Casey Blake / Manny predictions
Poor Loney
Why do I have to like guys that suck?
Because he had the most important post season hit
in most of these folks lifetimes. Sure it is no reason to pay him 5 Million in 2011 but there is a reason why the name of Loney should still bring a smile to many here.
this
where’s my picture of Holliday missing that catch?!
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The more interesting question to me
is why so many hate on Loney but defend Kemp to death where at the same age they have the exact same OPS+. Now they can say that Kemp is a CF, but does it matter if he sucks at it? They can say Kemp is only 25, but these folk who hate on Loney today, hated on him here last year when he had just finished his age 25 season.
Loney has gotten progressively worse the past 3 seasons and people have gotten generally more hostile each year. Kemp did have defensive and offensive value prior to this year. People have an idea of what they want in a first baseman and didn’t think Loney would ever fit into that mold. People don’t want to crucify Kemp after 1 bad year but are willing to do it to Loney after 3.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But for the most part
most of you were crucifying Loney after only two.
I think most of you would have to admit you were shocked to find out they had the same OPS+ at the same age.
I certainly was. I didn’t think Loney had the ability to be a lasting answer at first base considering that it is the least demanding defensive position where a club needs to get power production. Had the Dodgers traded him a few years ago his value was there, but now they waited an unbelivably he actually got worse.
Hey, if Kemp puts in another shit-tastic year the opinions here will be very different. I think it’s a mechanical issue with Kemp that can be fixed. Loney is what he is.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, but
Loney is propped up by a couple very good OPS+ numbers in his first two years. The last three years have been 103, 103 and 99. Weighted averages man, stats rules suggest he’ll be at about a 97 next year, so his production is inverse to his salary.
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Chcks dig the long ball.
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Ideally Dunn.
But it doesn’t matter. Loney’s wOBA ended at .315. You can’t pay him $4.5MM for that kind of production (for a firstbaseman!)
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he is. In the sense that he can stand in the vicinity of first base and has done so before.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure he is
He was far better defensively at 1B when he stayed there for a whole season
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you be willing to gamble 40-60 million dollars on a guy who’s only skills are power and walks? His power starts to drop, hes gonna keep the same amount of walks? I doubt it. He doesnt make contact and he will set the Dodger K record by August, good for Kemp I guess.
Maybe we can talk to Bud and let us use Dunn for offense and Loney on defense.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010
just going out on a limb....
Because those are the two most important skills, by far, for hitting?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear that guy
was good at baseball
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I hear that guy was good at baseball
And if you haven’t heard, Reggie will tell you all about it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have a hankering for a candy bar now.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Here you go
You did say a “hankering”, did you not?
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First base defense is the least important position on the field.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It won't matter
he won’t be healthy enough to play more then 20 games anyways
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by nolander on Oct 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better not bring back
Barajas
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Furcal had 15 throwing errors this year
In 93 games. Let’s bump that to 25 just to say a full season.
Adding 50% adds 12-13 more errors.
I will gladly take those for simply the 19 extra times Dunn got on base more than Loney this season. And that doesn’t even include the power difference.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd still rather have Beltre
and his elite D. He might only OPS .800, but its better for the next 4 years of this club if Sands turns out to be a legit 1B. Plus there always dudes like Branyan, Huff, etc. it seems like you can put at 1B and get lucky with.
Right now
Say you non-tender Loney or trade for prospects. Who is your first baseman?
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
- prospect Jerry Sands.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Could I sign Beltre?
If so, it would be some platoon with Casey Blake.
Otherwise, I’d take a one year deal crack at one of D. Lee//Glaus/Berkman/Cantu/Huff
Even someone like Wigginton, Kotsay, Overbay wouldn’t be terrible for one year if they were cheap and we could allocate those dollars elsewhere.
Alright so Beltre
and then some cheap lefty to platoon with Blake. Kotsay, Overbay, Branyan – one of those guys. The market is flooded with mediocre 1B that are still better and will probably be cheaper than Loney.
I agree. I’d target Dunn, but assuming you wouldn’t I wanted to know the gameplan.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If I could get Beltre AND Dunn I would do that, but I don’t think we could afford it. So if I had to target one, I would go with Beltre.
Then if there was enough left over, my ideal platoon partner with Blake would be Berkman, but I’m guessing we couldn’t afford that either, so I’m resigned to the Kotsay, Overbay, Branyan crowd.
IF, we could afford it, a Berkman/Blake platoon could produce a .900 OPS.
But are they more cost effective at it?
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Blake is a bit of a sunk cost aint he?
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Historically true
but that does not mean they will in the future. Berkman looks like someone who is going to miss substantial time the rest of his career if he plays the field.
if he plays the field
like Wilt did, or just Lance Berkman?
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I tend to agree with this comment
but Berkman is only 34. So we could easily be wrong and if the deal is only for one year (which I doubt he’d sign for) I’d be okay with taking the gamble.
He's done
unless the Giants sign him in which case he’ll have a surprising resurgence. /bitter
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by underdog on Oct 29, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What are you basing that on
watching him play with the Yankee’s
or the fact he put up a 122 OPS+
as a gimp in 2010 while playing 1st base for the Astro’s. An OPS+ that would have been the best on our team other then Andre.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/berkmla01.shtml
More just worries about his health
being stable enough that he could play in the field for a whole season, rather than be a DH. Not as much thinking his bat is done as his body. Then again if platooning that might give him enough time off to make it work.
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If we sign Huff
I hope it’s a 2 year deal for the 2012 and 2014 seasons.
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FYI
Throwing errors by shortstops, 2010
Nats: 14
Dodgers: 14
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
other WAS infielders had more
Throwing errors by 2B/SS/3B, 2010:
Nats: 35
Dodgers: 21
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't take a position on
acquiring Dunn or not.
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sign Werth
make a trade for Prince Vegan for a 1 year rental…you dramatically improve the offense and OF defense, and I think they can afford it…Loney, Brox and prospects for Prince?
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They wouldn’t want Loney or Broxton (too expensive.)
Straight prospects.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It’d probably have to be our top 3 prospects in that deal, and even then they’d probably ask for Billingsley.
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Fuck that. They aren’t going to be competitive, he’s expensive and it’s a 1 year rental.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I would do that deal. Fuck that deal. I’m saying that’s what I think Milwaukee will ask for. They’ll want to be able to show their fans they got the next Prince Fielder in this deal, and we don’t have that. The dude is a franchise icon right now and has put up 50 and 46 homer seasons.
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Then don’t trade him. He’s either available or not, but saying that’s what they’ll want is irrelevant. If they are interested in moving him they should take the best deal.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it's a case
of what they want, and what they will reasonably get being two different things. With the money he will obviously want from FA, I think any team might just see him as a rental. They can always wait him out in FA.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course. We go through this shit every year. The Blue Jays will WANT x,y and z for Halalday. He’s the franchise, the fans won’t tolerate anything less! Then they never get the absurd names that are floated around.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
and then it's
“how the fuck did that team trade that guy for those shitty players?” the guys aren’t necessarily shitty, but you know fans.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
this discussion
is currently happening on MLBTR with A-gon. Dodgers were actually named as a dark horse with the “if there is a new owner” tag on it.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
which there won’t be anytime soon, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
hence the "dark horse"
and the article in question was guy in SD, so not much knowledge of that situation. If I had to say A-Gon was going anywhere, I’d say the Red Sox.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
as a rental?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
don't think it would take THAT much
Brewers could contend in that crap division, plus it’s no secret they want to shop him and get something before he walks. Is it likely? Prob not. But when I look back and see the dreck that got traded for Miggy, Griffey (to the Reds), etc., it is plausible.
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If they think they can contend, they shouldn’t trade him.
At least that would be my philosophy.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller was their #1 pick a year before and Maybin was the #3 prospect in baseball. It wasn’t nearly as crappy at the time.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And Miller was pretty high profile. Starred in the College world series, got called up and pitched in the Tigers run through the playoffs.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And was supposed to be the #1 overall pick until Kansas City Royaled it up.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Was really tall
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He can, which is why there’s no way this would happen.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't ask me
I’m the one guy left here who still sort of likes him. (Though admittedly while still being frustrated with his lack of power development and on a team lacking power in general he doesn’t really fit very well right now. And so I’d trade him. But I still like him! If we could just find another slugger for 3B or corner OF I’d be more prone to keep him around one more year.)
Longwinded way of saying… don’t ask me.
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It’s not even power anymore. He doesn’t walk either and his K rate went up to 16.2%.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And his SLG was disappointing too
Sniff… I want him to be good, dammit! And all his slick catches won’t make that better.
still, barring a workable trade that does arise I expect him to be given one more year in LA with Mattingly at the helm, right or wrong.
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I like Loney a lot as well
but it just seems there are so many options to replace him, you have to think the Dodgers have to be thinking about it as well.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
i used "as well" twice
what the hell?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s swell, and just as well.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that
as well
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I want him to be good too. He seems like a good dude, he’s my wife’s favorite player, and I want to like our players.
But we are where we are.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
the WS is not over by the way
things change in Texas…
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They could look to Dirk Nowitzki
as a model of courage under fire, right in their own town
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Same guy who didn’t want to play outdoors because he didn’t like how it affected his shot.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rangers have 2 good pitchers. They both lost.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the beginning of the year when MCC had that 1-0 pic with them trailing that says “Insurmountable” and of course the Jonathan Sanchez chokes, allows single post. Now look at the fuckers, scoring runs like they are the Yankee’s in the world Series. Life just isn’t fair.
He probably means
there are more important things than baseball… i.e. blood diamonds, human trafficking, etc.
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Those things happen to other people
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Because they are Giants fans.
This isn’t really difficult, you know.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats good for them
not for me. Basically the same argument.
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Of course
if the Dodgers won it all, it would be nice but I am not bragging about that to some other team’s fan to get back to them in some way.
Once again, I agree.
We have just as many douchey fans as they do…
I like Baseball first, then the Dodgers. I am fine with seeing my friends that happen to be Giants fans enjoy this.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Liking baseball first
That’s an interesting thing to say. To an extent I agree. I loved baseball first I guess and I like good baseball.
But you wouldn’t choose seeing a good World Series as oppose to a terrible world series that the Dodgers win, would you?
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That is tough. I don’t think I could answer that in an unbiased way. My fandom of the Dodgers would help me have rose colored glasses to ignore crappy play.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the point. Your fandom of the Dodgers overrides. Hence, you are a Dodger fan first.
by Michael White on Oct 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I disagree completely there. My love for baseball fuels my fan-hood for the Dodgers.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
agree that all fanbases have idiots
but since I don’t have any friends who root for the Giants, it makes it that much easier to wish they fuck off forever
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I did have an acquaintance
(note: not a friend) who is a G fan send me a msg on Facebook asking how the Dodgers were doing. Hee hee! LOL! Good one!
…
/unfriend
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Because some of them were mean to me? ;-)
I’m being partially flippant.
I had this discussion with my dad this week who said they have some friends who are long time diehard Giants fans who he’d be happy for if Giants won WS. And I agreed with him, or understood. I said my ire is reserved for the many of their fans who are assholes, not the many who are nice and deserve to celebrate. (Said with tongue in cheek but it’s true to an extent.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
But this arguement dies for me when I think of all the fan-bases that have assholes, just like us.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I was 50/50….but the Giants have really surprised me.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just going for the hope that we would see good baseball, which with the exceptions of Cain’s game 2 and F. Sanchez’s game 1, we haven’t much.
I like Giants players more, they’re from the NL (which is huge in my book) – but they remain the fucking Giants. This WS is making me schizo.
my Dad's exact words
“These have been two of the the most uninspiring World Series games I have ever seen.”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That was basically my point
if not that well made…
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my grandpa is a Giants fan
if they win, i will be happy for him.
BUT HIM ONLY.
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I am with BH on this one. I kept thinking last night about how fun it would be as a fan at the stadium last night.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet I disagree with you here ;-)
I still find it torturous to be surrounded by orgasmic Giants fans. Again I can separate that there are plenty of wonderful diehard deserving fans in their fanbase, it’s just the amount of unhappy memories I’ve had there in that park as a Dodger fan makes me bitter about it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
But I wonder if this is how any person would feel if they watched games at a rival park for a team they rooted for?
I don’t mean to discredit your opinion on this, but I can imagine there are plenty of people in LA that feel the same about our fans.
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
this is about me and my feelings, not how all fans are or aren’t. I’m rational enough to know there are total asshole Dodger fans who are pricks to G fans in D stadium.
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I put this in the dead thread...
But double-digit recs… I was surprised, proud, and grateful to have a 10-rec comment in this thread.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/5/10/1466945/billingsley-ties-d-backs-in-knot#37261975
Search for the phrase “telephone clock service.”
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Among the things Rickey did in his time with the Dodgers,
was to make the first full time Spring Training facility in Vero Beach Florida. He encouraged the use of now-commonplace tools such as the batting cage, pitching machines, and batting helmets. He also pioneered the use of statistical analysis in baseball (what is now known as sabermetrics), when he hired statistician Allan Roth as a full-time analyst for the Dodgers in 1947. After viewing Roth’s evidence, Rickey promoted the idea that on-base percentage was a more important hitting statistic than batting average. While working under Rickey, Roth was also the first person to provide statistical evidence that platoon effects were real and quantifiable.
And oh yes, he also drafted a young black second baseman, by the name of Jack Roosevelt Robinson.
Let’s go back to this one. ;-)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
I swear on a stack of bibles that when I started reading this, I thought you were talking about Rickey Henderson.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And he didn't draft Robinson
Branch Rickey was actually reviled by some in the Negro Leagues because he did not offer compensation (money) to them when he signed Robinson, Newcombe and Campanella. They owners of the teams that those players had contracts with, did let them go for the greater good but felt Rickey took advantage of that situation.
Others like Bill Veeck did pay compensation when he signed players like Larry Doby.
Doby would have had an even better career
if he didn’t beat himself up over his mistakes.
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curses
I actually meant to say signed, but for some reason typed draft. Oh well.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Underappreciated Branch Rickey contribution
A somewhat unique first name spelling for Rickey Henderson.
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Rickey's momma loved Rickey
that’s why she named Rickey after Rickey.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Any update on the PTBNL?
Sorry if this is too often asked but does anyone know when the Dodgers-Rockies are due to consummate their Dotel trade, i.e., the mysterious PTBNL? Sometime soon I assume, or do they have ’til before spring training?
I realize this player will not in all likelihood exactly be a top prospect, but just curious to learn who it will be.
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I bet it will be a non-prospect named Cash Considerations.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
rec
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They have up to 6 months after the deal to complete it, but it is likely a dude on the 40-man so it will probably be before November 20 (when rosters need to be set)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
what player on the 40 man roster?
is worth a month of garbage. .Tulo or CarGo hopefully
by SeanMillerSavior on Oct 29, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
nevermind
Im hoping for Edgmer Escalona. . just because it would be fun to say his name
by SeanMillerSavior on Oct 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The rules are that the PTBNL has to be named within 6 months, and that after the trade the PTBNL can’t play in the same league as the new team.
If it was non 40-man guys, they wouldn’t have had to clear waivers so they could have been dealt immediately. It is still possible that the Dodgers and Rockies agreed to a certain date by which LA could choose from an agreed upon list.
But it’s probably a 40-man player, and someone who didn’t play for the Rockies in the final two weeks.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And someone here once
broke it down given that last sentence, to the three or so players who that would be, right? Just forgetting those names.
Again, just curious is all.
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I might be missing someone
but I think it’s…
Chaz Roe, Juan Nicasio, or Greg Reynolds
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not “guy the Rockies took instead of Evan Longoria” Greg Reynolds.
How screwed would we be if they wouldn’t have messed that up?
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
have they been broken down?
in terms of who they are and what they play position wise?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks guys
Yep, nothing exciting enough there to think much further about but Nicasio would be useful. Or Reynolds?
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Calling us out for giving us sarcastic answers is like calling out a stripper for dressing like a stripper.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
More time's been spent on this blog today
discussing who the hell Justin Bieber is than I have spent obsessing about this question, believe me.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I'm sorry Underdog
but if Colorado sends us a player that actually has a major league future for one month of Dotel I’ll be the most surprised person in America so I don’t see the point in even thinking about it. Then again I was the most surprised person in America when Ned traded McDonald and Lambo (not just Lambo which would have made sense) for two months of a relief pitcher that most of us thought we didn’t need because one, we weren’t in a pennant race or two because our bullpen was not the problem and even if it was, McDonald should have been able to handle Dotels role.
So maybe you are right. Maybe we will get something that we will find some reason of optimism about.
I don't disagree with the assessment that the odds are
it isn’t going to be anyone that valuable or exciting. That said we didn’t expect bubkas for Pierre and got 2 useful (if not great) players who ended up contributing in some fashion last year. We likely won’t get anyone any better than even those guys, but you never know.
So you are probably right but I just thought it an honest question that is (gasp!) on topic and about the Dodgers. So while I welcome any or all humorous responses, don’t think it’s such a pointless question that it deserves being sneered at either. :-P
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I need to try harder to keep the sneeriness out of my sarcasm
a problem I have in life as well as in blogs. Sorry.
no worries, i do like sarcasm more than sneercasm but get them mixed up too ;-)
anyway, I’m sure Dexter Fowler will be heading to LA sometime soon.
{takes more happy pills}
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
your happy pills aren't as good as mine
as I fully expect CarGo in RF in 2011!!! _ (crazy eyes)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
booo
crazy eyes fail
@ _ @
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeez dude, let's be realistic here!
;-)
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YOU BE QUIET
TALKING DOG!!!!!
;-)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record,
BH, if there was a guy here and he wanted to stay in the South, it would depend if it were serious. If yes, I would see what grad school looked like. If it wasn’t, sorry brah, I got something new to see. In the mean time, I’m trying to take a leaf out of reg’s GF’s book and stay single until I turn 25.
Oh, and I’m reading 100 Things Dodger Fans Should Know and Do Before They Die. Again. If you haven’t read it, stop commenting here and go read it RIGHT NOW.
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bought it, read it
second the recommendation.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Manhunter is a better film than Silence of the Lambs
except for the crap song they use over the end titles
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hipster
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I have no idea what Manhunter is, but Silence of the Lamb messed me up. That said, great film.
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A film that predates Silnce but based on same series of books
it’s based on Thomas Harris’ Red Dragon. Was directed by Michael Mann. Had exc British actor Brian Cox as Hannibal Lecter. Story is a prequel to Lambs if I recall.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Some here may have seen Red Dragon
which was a remake
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I really do need to see it
I love me some Michael Mann
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hehe
I call everyone a hipster
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Still don’t know what the hell a hipster is. My friend says they ride fixed gear bikes and wear glasses without lenses.
Also, FUCK THE GIANTS
People who love irony
and liked everything before you did, and before it sold out.
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My lifes goal is to stop misuse of the term hipster.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
The use here is somewhat appropriate. Basically saying he liked the franchise before it went big time.
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A real hipster would be watching something French.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
While drinking PBR
and not having a job while living on his parents money in New York?
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so they're watching Irreversible
while drinking PBR and sporting ridiculous mustaches and wearing scarves?
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according to a billboard by my house...
hipsters do mobile banking while standing in line at lunch trucks
They have to check
how much money they just got from their parents somehow.
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yeah, basically
they love lunch trucks
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the term used to mean people with balls
and talent, like in the 50s…now it just means spineless image-conscious phonies. People who like foreign movies shouldn’t be lumped in with them.
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All people who like foreign movies aren’t hipsters but all hipsters like foreign movies.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This I don't agree with
but then I don’t know what a hipster is, but I do love foreign movies compared to Hollywood.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
not really that
I just prefer Manhunter’s style and aesthetic to Silence’s, not that I don’t like SoL as a film. I didn’t really follow the franchise either, I just saw Manhunter for the first time a few weeks ago and dug it.
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Oh I know
I’m being, whats the word, flippant? No… gah
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Someone who is clearly cooler than you and makes sure you know it. Has a haircut that’s best described as “complicated” and is unable to enjoy anything unironically.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t Jeff from Community be the best stereotype of a hipster?
by robotmadeofnails on Oct 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No
he wears nice clothing and doesn’t have a stupid mustache.
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A true hipster would have no problem dropping 200 dollars on a scarf.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, specifically the kind you aren’t allowed to wash.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps you are mistaking hipsters for Ron Jeremy.
by regfairfield on Oct 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Does using your hips a lot
make you a hipster?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Because people don't do their research
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better fit
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hipster olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAO4EVMlpwM
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Manhunter is a different film than Silence of the Lambs.
I like them both a lot.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I like them both too, both excellent, both could not be more different
given the directors’ individual styles and the different stories. Either way Manhunter is definitely far better than the other more recent Red Dragon movie.
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I also just noticed your avatar
very nice :)
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I don't have any close friends who got married younger than
26, most around 30, so I see your future of staying single for a few years of being quite reasonable.
So the Giants plan
was to suck enough to get 4 or 5 top 10 picks, make good selections, and then get lucky with a bunch of free agents. Bleh.
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Bigger than Jesus
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wikipedia article on hipsters
that has obviously been written by a hipster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)
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ok not really, just this sentance
One commentator argues that “hipsterism fetishizes the authentic” elements of all of the “fringe movements of the postwar era—beat, hippie, punk, even grunge,” and draws on the “cultural stores of every unmelted ethnicity” and “gay style”, and “regurgitates it with a winking inauthenticity.”3
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I feel like
the term hipster is older than hipsters give it credit for, and it’s just someone who’s the counter culture equivalent of a fashionista
by Josie Becker on Oct 29, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
youssa people gonna die?
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flagged
get that jar jar shit out of my TBLA
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agreed
Easily the most troubling thing said by nolander today.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 29, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
how? that seems like the pick of a senile man who thinks OJ is gonna score four touchdowns tomorrow
by Josie Becker on Oct 29, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
look Bruce Arena, I understand the rules of the game
by Josie Becker on Oct 29, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't win every game by outscoring the other team
Steve Traschel says so so it must be wrong true
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I feel like anybody that likes something because they like something and not because they want to be part of some movement shouldn’t be labeled negatively. Meh.
Also, FUCK THE GIANTS
Hipsters are the exact opposite of what you just described
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hipsters don't like bands
when they blow up. They like things you’ve never heard of and want to keep it that way.
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NPOT
my final James Loney column until the next one
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/10/29/1782600/james-loney-a-looney-tunes-tale-of-happiness-and-sorrow
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