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2010 Arizona Dodgers Season in Review

Next up in my minor league season in review series is the Arizona Dodgers.  This short season team only played 55 games, but they were a fun team to follow as they featured many young prospects getting their first taste of professional baseball.  Remember, these reports are very extensive, so just because I’m writing about a player doesn’t mean that he is a big time prospect.  While I’ll usually mention if a guy is worth keeping an eye on, you’ll have to wait for my upcoming prospect ranking to fully understand who I consider prospects and who are simply organizational players.

Record:  30 – 25

Season Result:  3rd place in their division, 3.5 games out of first place

Season Recap:  Despite missing the playoffs, the Arizona Dodgers had a relatively successful season.  They finished 5 games above .500, and were fighting for the league’s wildcard playoff spot up until the final game of the year.  A six game winning streak in mid-August is what put the team in position for the playoffs, but a loss on the final day of the season ended their postseason aspirations.  62 different players put on the Arizona Dodger uniform during the 2010 season, ranging from 2010 draftees to veteran players on rehab assignments.  In terms of team stats, the Dodgers finished in the middle of the pack (6 out of 12) in team hitting with a .255 average, and their 24 homers ranked 4th most in the league.  The Dodgers were 5th of out the 12 teams with a 4.01 ERA, however their 452 strikeouts ranked 2nd to last in the league.

League Leaders:

Category

Player

Rank

Amount

Triples

Chance Gilmore

8th

5

HR's

Nick Akins

6th

6

Walks

Tae-Hyeok Nam

8th

21

SB's

James Baldwin

5th

17

Wins

Arismendy Ozoria

10th

4

Games

Gari Tavarez

6th

18

Holds

Beyker Fructuoso

6th

3

Holds

Chris Handke

6th

3

GF

Joel Lima

5th

12

GF

Gari Tavarez

6th

11

Offensive MVP:  Some could argue that Nick Akins was the MVP of this team because he put up some ridiculous numbers even though he played in only 20 games and accumulated just 75 at bats.  He was only with the team early in the season, however, so his play didn’t have an impact on the team’s late season success.  Therefore I’m giving this award to James Baldwin, who started off the year extremely slow, but then really turned it on later in the season during the "stretch run".  Baldwin hit .357 in the month of August to go along with 15 RBI’s, 9 SB’s, and an .890 OPS.  In addition, he played in a team high 46 games, led the team with 17 SB’s, and was among the top 3 on the club in runs, RBI, and doubles.  Finally, his .274 average was 2nd on the team among players with at least 80 AB’s.

Best Offensive Prospect:  Taking into account that I’m not considering players who appeared in less than 10 games, I’m actually giving this award to the Offensive MVP of this team James Baldwin.  I already wrote about some of his accolades of the season above, so here I’ll talk about his prospect status.  Baldwin is very athletic and is also extremely raw as a position player (stop me if you’ve heard this before), so that’s what makes his success this year even more exciting.  Ranked as the 10th best player in the Arizona League by Baseball America, he has great speed, has the frame to develop plenty of power, and played the entire season in center field.  Also, even though is arm is just average at this point, the Dodgers believe it will get stronger as he matures.  To me, he has the potential to be a 5-tool player if he can continue to progress as a hitter and fielder.  In addition, DeJon Watson mentioned him as a breakout candidate for next year, so he is definitely someone to keep your eye on.  The two things he needs to work on, however, are his strikeout rate and his patience at the plate.

Star-divide

Pitching MVP:  Arismendy Ozoria was only with the Arizona Dodgers through July, but he still ended up with the 2nd most innings pitched on the team and had a very solid season in Arizona.  His 2.78 ERA was the best among Dodgers with at least 22 IP, and he also led the team with 4 wins.  In addition, his FIP was very strong at 2.86, and he struck out an impressive 9.46 batters per 9 innings.  Finally, he walked just 9 batters in his 35.2 innings pitched. 

Best Pitching Prospect:  By my judgment, the best pitching prospect on this team was 2010 2nd round pick Ralston Cash.  Brandon Martinez may have more upside, but I think Cash is the better prospect.  Cash played almost the entire season as an 18 year old and put up some very solid numbers.  He recorded a 3.60 ERA, a 2.83 FIP, and did not allow a homer in his 30 innings pitched.  He was rated as the 20th best prospect in the Arizona League by Baseball America, and he earned a promotion to the Pioneer League at the end of the Arizona season.  In terms of potential, I can see Cash as a solid middle of the rotation starter.  I don’t think he’ll ever be the ace of a staff as his fastball only sat between 88 and 92 this season (although previous scouting reports say that his fastball has some movement), but with 2 other potentially above average pitches (curveball and changeup), he seems to have what it takes to one day make it to the majors. 

 

1st Base:  Tae-Hyeok Nam got the majority of starts at 1st base, and despite ending the season in a slump he is one of the better offensive prospects on the team.  He is an international signee from Korea and has pretty good power.  The only question is if he’ll be able to hit enough in the higher levels to succeed at a position that require a lot of offense.

Beau Brett, the nephew of George Brett who surprised a lot of people by signing as a 35th round pick, was the only other player to get significant playing time at 1st base.  He didn’t do much at the plate this season and isn’t really much of a prospect.

 

2nd Base:  Enlly Morales was the primary 2nd baseman for the Dodgers, and unfortunately he had an overall disappointing season.  The only good news for him is that he finished the year with a .371 average over his last 10 games to boost his season average to a respectable .273.  He only had 6 extra base hits all season (all doubles), and the result was an ugly .623 OPS for the 21 year old.  I’ll admit that I may have overrated him a bit in my mid-season rankings. 

David Iden was the team’s other 2nd baseman, but he is a 5’9" 23 year old in a rookie league so he’s not worth writing about.

 

3rd Base:  Third base was shared by 3 players who are all very close in age, are all close to the same size, and all had pretty similar stats in 2010.  Bladimir Franco, who had a solid season in the DSL in 2009, started the most games at the hot corner for the Dodgers but the results were not pretty.  In 125 at bats, Franco had a .272 OBP, a .224 average, and a .600 OPS.  He also struck out in 35.8% of his plate appearances and made 11 errors.  He is another guy I probably overrated, and I can say that I think I’ve learned my lesson about getting excited about hitters who perform well in the Dominican Summer League.

Jeff Hunt must have had some sort of injury to start the season because he didn’t get into a game until late July, and he never really got it going in the 18 games he played.  He did have a couple of good games and ended up with 2 homers in just 50 at bats, but overall it was mostly a lost season for Hunt.  I still haven’t lost faith in him, however, and look forward to his 2011 season.

Finally, 3rd base was the primary position for 2010 12th round pick Matt Kirkland, but he only played in 16 total games for the season.  He showed good patience at the plate and recorded a .373 OBP, but he only managed 2 extra base hits (both doubles) in 46 at bats.  He is another guy I am not going to judge until 2011 because of his limited playing time. 

 

Shortstop:  Shortstop for the Dodgers was split between Charlie Mirabal and Alexis Aguilar.  Mirabal actually had a pretty good season, leading players with at least 80 at bats with a .295 average, but he is already 23 years old and isn’t much of a prospect.  Aguilar is an interesting case because he one of the only players I’ve ever seen promoted up from the Dominican League during the season.  The 19 year old joined the Arizona Dodgers in July and wasn’t very impressive, recording a .253 average and a .610 OPS. 

 

Catcher:  Several guys played catcher for the Dodgers, but the primary receiver was 19 year old Jan Vazquez.  The 2009 6th round pick is a switch hitter from Puerto Rico, and he didn’t have a very good 2010 as he only hit .226 with a .648 OPS in 93 at bats.  It was an improvement over last season, however, when he hit just .216 with a .558 OPS in the same league.

A duo of 22 year old 2010 draft picks also spent time behind the plate for the Dodgers.  BJ Larosa was selected in the 23rd round and only got into 10 games, but he showed extreme patience during that time as he walked in more that 25% of his plate appearances.  Andrew Edge, who was selected exactly one round later, got into 21 games and actually smacked 4 homers in just 81 at bats.  He did struck out quite a bit, though.

 

Outfield:  The outfield was anchored by center fielder James Baldwin, who I already wrote about above. 

Left field was patrolled by two absolutely dismal players.  Non-drafted free agent signee Tony Moses played 31 games in which he hit a paltry .145 with a ridiculous .455 OPS.  After the season he retired.  Moses’ counter-part was the equally horrible Preston Mattingly, who somehow struggled against the much less experienced competition.  Mattingly hit .237 and had a .580 OPS in 93 at bats.  I’m not even sure why he was playing in the Arizona League for so long because 25 games are much too long to simply be a rehab assignment.  Maybe the Dodgers were trying to build up his confidence against younger players, but that obviously didn’t work.  After the season, he was shipped to Cleveland for another worthless prospect.

In right field, Chance Gilmore got most of the starts after getting demoted from the Pioneer League, and he did OK.  Nick Akins also spent his time in the Arizona League in right field, and as mentioned above he put up amazing numbers in his 75 at bats.  Akins smacked 6 homers, collected 24 RBI’s, hit .400, and had an OPS of 1.277 before moving up to the Ogden Raptors.

Finally, the four outfielders from the 2010 draft who signed close to the deadline (Joc Pederson, Scott Schebler, Noel Cuevas, and Devon Ethier) all played in the Arizona League.  However, all of them played in 5 games or less so there isn’t really anything to analyze.  You can read more about them here.

 

Starting Pitchers:  15 different pitchers started games for the Arizona Dodgers, but several of those starts were from rehabbing players.  The main starters for the Dodgers were Gustavo Gomez, Brandon Martinez, Bolivar Medina, Arismendy Ozoria, and Ralston Cash.  I already wrote about Ozoria and Cash above, so let’s look at the other guys here.  Brandon Martinez is one of my favorite sleeper Dodger prospects, but he had an up and down season.  When he started games (5 starts and 24.1 innings), he had a 2.22 ERA with a .266 batting average against.  When he pitched in relief (7 games and 11.2 innings), he had an 11.57 ERA and a .383 batting average against.  So obviously the Dodgers should strictly use him as a starter.  In addition, while his overall season ERA was 5.25, his FIP was a much more impressive 2.89.

Gustavo Gomez had a tail of two seasons while with the Dodgers, recording a 6.14 ERA through his first 22 innings, and then a 1.23 ERA through his next 22 innings.  Overall, Gomez had a 2.50 FIP and then was even more impressive after getting promoted to the Pioneer League.

Bolivar Medina is another guy who struggled at the start of the season, but then finished strong.  He had a 2.57 ERA in August through 21 innings, but that only lowered his overall ERA to 5.88 for the season.

 

Relief Pitchers:  There were obviously quite a few guys who threw in relief for the Dodgers, so I’ll only mention the significant players.  The team didn’t have a consistent closer as 6 different players picked up saves in 2010.  Joel Lima co-lead the team with 3 saves, and had a 2.04 ERA to boot.  Overall, the half brother of Jose Lima put together a pretty good season in his first year in a US based league.  The downside is that Lima is already 21 years old, which is a little old for the Arizona League.

Beyker Fructuoso struggled badly when he started the season in the Pioneer League, but after returning to the Arizona League for the 2nd straight season he thrived with a 3.04 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP.  The 6’3" rightly also struck out 31 batters in just 26.2 innings, good for a 10.45 K/9, and recorded a 2.82 FIP.

Yimi Garcia had a remarkable season in the DSL in 2009, but his transition to the US based Arizona League did not go as planned.  Garcia threw 30.2 innings and had a 7.04 ERA to go along with a WHIP of 1.79.  The only upside to his season is that he showed very good control, which caused his FIP to be a much more respectable 3.17 for the season. 

The 6’11" Chris Handke is trying to get going in his professional career, but didn’t quite have the kind of season that he would have liked.  Tall pitchers are historically late bloomers, but even still I hoped for more out of the 22 year old.  The 2009 41st round pick had a 4.03 ERA and a 1.70 WHIP.

Andres Santiago’s season didn’t start until August 1st, but he made the most of his 6 appearances by allowing just 5 earned runs in 20.2 innings, good for a 2.18 ERA.  The 6’2" 20 year old was a 16th round pick back in 2007, so he has progressed slowly.

Finally, 6’6" Jimmy Marshall only allowed 3 earned runs in 14 innings, which resulted in a 1.93 ERA.  However, Marshall is already 23 years old and is in his 2nd professional season, so I’m not sure why he was playing in the Arizona Rookie League.

Poll
Who is the best Dodger prospect that played with the Arizona Dodgers in 2010 (minimum of 75 AB's, 20 innings)?
James Baldwin
49 votes
Ralston Cash
31 votes
Nick Akins
11 votes
Tae-Hyeok Nam
6 votes
Arismendy Ozoria
1 votes
Brandon Martinez
7 votes
Other
3 votes

108 votes | Poll has closed

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I have a thing for Korean 1B

I like that Nam did not suck.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I voted for him hoping he has the power that everyone said he did, but if memory serves he struggled a lot the second half.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why rely on memory?
Tae-Hyeok Nam got the majority of starts at 1st base, and despite ending the season in a slump

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know, I saw that later.

I didn’t notice the jump, so when I first posted this comment I had just read up to the Offensive MVP/Best Offensive Prospect part.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going out on a limb

but I expect the stick cannot throw very hard for very long at this point.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

limb, stick

I see what you did there.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Baldwin

Brandon sold me.

I assume he is young, right? Like 18 or 19 years old?

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

seems like the only possible major league talent on that team from the position players who played more then five games.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Martinez
When he pitched in relief (7 games and 11.2 innings), he had an 11.57 ERA and a .383 batting average against. So obviously the Dodgers should strictly use him as a starter.

Why do 11 2/3 innings make it obvious? I mean, Martinez only pitched 36 innings on the season, after 21 last season. Maybe they were keeping his innings total down (I don’t know if this is the case).

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah you're right

11.2 innings is a not a big enough sample size. I just like him better as a starter so I was being bias

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was nitpicky on my part

It was a very nice and thorough recap.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 9:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kind of why I've been discounting the DSL

I’ve seen nothing to suggest that success in the DSL translates to success in American baseball. Morales and Franco were the high flyers from the DSL and both did nothing to showcase that they are prospects.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I am beginning to think they are wasting their resources in the DR

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to say they are

squandering it, when they don’t spend it. As Tripon says, the performance of these players is what should be expected given the bonuses. No one else was interested. I don’t really care, I’m not the biggest fan of Dominican baseball players. To many Jose Offerman’s in my lifetime and not enough Carlos Santana’s.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree on not being biggest fan of DR players.

Beltre was the last decent player that graduated out of that team and that was 15 years ago. They sort of missed out on Venezuela, and they should probably look towards the next big talent location and mine it themselves.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pirates beat us on that one. How about Pakistani cricket players?

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

India’s a very, very big place.

by berkowit28 on Oct 5, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

What would happen the first time

a Pakistani was pitching to an Indian and he brushed him back. Could start a war.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

It starts with the Dodgers signing fringe players in the DSL. They’re several years older than everyone else in the DSL when they’re signed. (18-19) Compared to everyone else (16-17), and very few are bonus babies if any. Pedro Baez was the last bonus baby the Dodgers signed from Latin America.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of bonuses are they paying out these days? What are Major League teams paying out to top tier 16-17 year olds?

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

$2 to 3 million to the truly elite players. High six figures for the 2nd tier. The Dodgers are not in that ballpark at all.

The highest international signing was Nam last year and the speculation was that he signed for low six figures.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

2-3 seems like a ton to give to a 16 year old. I’m guessing truly elite is somebody like Miguel Cabrera who was playing in professional leagues (and dominating) at 16 years old in Venezuela.

I wonder if the Dodgers reconsider their strategy in terms of building competive teams (I’m coming around to your thinking.) The 2008-2009 teams were built on mostly pre-arbitration eligible guys. In order to do that again, you have to develop your farm system (obviously.) That team is probably dead by now, so the Dodgers could save money by non-tendering Loney and Martin and moving Broxton and Loney. The money saved can be re-invested in the club by locking up Kershaw and Billingsley and spending it on draft bonuses and international signings. The Dodgers went over slot on both Lee and Pederson last year and the home grown major league team is getting too expensive. It’s a lot cheaper to pay bonuses to Zach Lee then it is to sign Cliff Lee.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have to do almost a full re-build for that model for the next couple years and McCourt does not have the balls to do that.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

“the draft bucket isn’t connected to the payroll bucket”

by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The current model isn’t working either. And the amount you spend on the DR every year would be a very small part of the budget. The Dodgers spend over 3 to 3.5 million on the draft each year. It’ll be similar for International FAs.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

The current model works if you realize when it’s time to break camp. I still view 2008 and 2009 as a huge success, but you can’t get back to that if you don’t eventually unload the expensive players and go back to having the next crop of cheap assets to form the core.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

It may be cheaper to pay bonuses to Zach Lee

but at least with Cliff Lee you get a fully formed major league pitcher, while Zach Lee probably has less then a 20% chance of becoming someone who can help a rotation.

To put that into perspective, David posted the pitchers drafted in the first round over the decade. Only Kershaw and Billingsley made it with millions being wasted on the bonus demands of those pitchers. If someone told me I could spend 30 Million on 10 drafted pitchers or 60 Million on Cliff Lee, I’d be taking Cliff Lee, because where the Dodgers draft, the Kershaws don’t exist.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think spending $60MM on Cliff Lee would be a huge waste of money. I get your point WRT to the prospects, so I’m kind of leaving it up to the prospect hawks on the board. But given the current status of the team, it doesn’t seem realistic that the Dodgers can plug their holes by free agency or trade. There are just too many holes. The model that worked for the Dodgers was bringing up a core of players through the minor league ranks. If you see a better model to return to glory….

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny would have been irrelevant if there wasn’t a team there. A high priced player would be essential to success, but there were huge contributions from pre-arb players such as Martin, Ethier, Kemp, Billingsley and Kershaw.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t be Cliff Lee anyway, it’d be guys like Jason Schmidt, or Juan Pierre.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not fair. The Dodgers have gotten it right before. Kuroda and Derek Lowe come to mind.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Ned has at best a 50/50 shot of getting it right. The problem is that when you’re signing veteran FAs, the bust really hurt you because there’s that much more expensive.

Phil says signing draftees and international FAs are risky because so many don’t pan out. But they are little of what your budget is anyway. The 2 million bonus baby busted? So what, that’s a dip in your budget. Your $60 million pitcher arm fell out? You’re in trouble.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

But those contributions

were a .500 team until Manny showed up. The free agents/trades had as much or greater impact then the core did.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not arguing that they could do it without someone like Manny coming in.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then that is not much of a model.

because that was a once in a generation lightening strike.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we kept Carlos Santana

I would imagine you would be singing a different tune.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it’s not about 1 guy. It’s about being able to consistently develop 3-5 cost controlled players every 3 years. Considering that not a single drafted player is a guarantee to make the major leagues, it’s a huge leap of faith to think you can compete every year based on homegrown talent alone.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it isn’t. Every year there is some high priced free agent who could be had. You already mentioned Cliff Lee.

The exact scenario that played out with Manny wouldn’t happen again, but there’s always some star who is gettable.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, plenty of stars are gettable

getting Manny was no big deal, getting Manny’s production during his time with us was. I’m pretty sure that was the greatest performance for a deadline deal in history. That is what I’m saying you can’t count on.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe in the farm system, but in today’s world I don’t think you can build a winning team without being involved in the farm, free agents, and astute trading.

You can point to the Rays and say they did it without any Free Agents but on the other hand they had a decade of top 10 draft picks to work with. I’d rather not go that route.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

We could follow the Red Sox, but they actually spend money in the DR.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

No we can't

can we be realistic. We cannot be the Red Sox. We can barely be the Twins.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Twins spend money in the DR as well. If we can’t do everything it takes to be a successful team, we might as well do the one thing that doesn’t eat up all the budget.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the Red Sox

would not have a ring if they had not lucked into David Ortiz. Who on the Red Sox has come from the DR that they themselves purchased with a big bonus.
Youk – no
Pedroia – no
Ortiz – no
Manny – no
Pedro – no
V Martinez – no

I’m going to go out on a limb and say the Red Sox do not have one single DR player that they grew from a sprig that had dick to do with them winning a ring.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you counting players who were traded away to help build championships or not?

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

good point on Hanley

but the point still stands, the Dodgers do not have the resources to match the Red Sox in the draft, scouting, free agents, international budget. They spent more on simply getting the right to negotiate with Dice K then the Dodgers probably spent in this decade on international bonuses.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

On trades

Long term, the Red Sox absolutely lost the Beckett-for-Hanley deal. No question about it. Hanley is a player that you can build around for a decade.

But the Beckett-for-Hanley deal is precisely how trades should go down. The Red Sox knew they could squeeze another championship out of that squad, but needed pitching help. The Marlins, floundering, needed young talent. Trade. Beckett was great in ’07. They got another flag to fly, which for most teams is what this is all about. I will bet that nobody in 2007 was saying, gosh, Hanley looks really great, I wish we could give back the championship and get that guy back. Yes, they gave a lot, but they got a lot, too.

Not to mention — correct me if I’m wrong — I believe Hanley was certainly a well-regarded prospect but his emergence as a superstar has been something of a surprise, right?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think your reply was to the wrong person

my beef with Tripon’s comment was that the Dodgers should follow the Red Sox model in building a championship team, which I say is unrealistic.

As far as the Hanley deal, that trade was great for both teams, both teams won, the Red Sox a title, the Marlins a great SS. Hanley was the strange breed where the scouts loved him but the minor league production was always less then impressive. It was a big win for the scouts when Hanley soared when he hit the major leagues.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

meant to put this below, under G. Scott’s comment.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe also regarding Hanley

the “attitude” comment came up about him.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that team is extremely draft heavy as well.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Extremely?

let’s be serious. They drafted Youk and Pedroia, lucked into David Ortiz popping pills, traded for Schilling, Keith Foulke had a career year, then outbid everyone for Manny, Pedro, and Damon. And even then, they needed to luck into Mientkewicz, Millar, Bellhorn, et al having good years.

Draft heavy? come on. Let’s talk about the Royals and Pirates of the last 20 years being draft heavy.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do you think the Red Sox were able to make those trades?

To get Beckett, they traded Hanley Ramirez, 2007 was Jon Lester’s first year in the rotation, and Youk and Pedoria had good years.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

I specifically looked at 2004. It’s hard to argue Beckett for Hanley was a win for them, and they took Lowell on as an obligation. There’s no way they expected him to be a WS MVP.

The long and the short is, it’s better to be lucky than good, but it’s a lot easier to be lucky when you gamble on MLB talent instead of 16 year olds.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking more like the Florida Marlins. They knew when it was time to break camp on their stars after the first World Series and they knew the time to not trade (the decision to keep Mike Lowell instead of trading him) when they ended up making another World Series run.

I think we are saying the same thing though.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could have, but it would have been a lot harder. It would have required 2008 Loney being 2009 Kemp and 2008 Blake DeWitt being 2008 Casey Blake. We just didn’t have very good offensive depth before those two came in.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Molly Knight
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I told him I’ve heard rumors that he’s gone as soon as today. He said there’s a ton of stuff being written right now that’s totally false.. 6 minutes ago via Echofon

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Back to Logan White. After he responded to my “WTF is going on” text with “I’m still with Dodgers” I called him and asked “for how long?”

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

It's not that big a deal.

She should calm down.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like she wants to break a big story

but tweeting about it before it breaks seems like a strange way to go about it. Then again this is a new world where just tweeting about uncertainty might be considered a coup.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The first thing they teach you in journalism class is to strive to get it right as opposed to getting it first.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah that seems like a rule from when AP wire scribes were the only ones running to the telephone and you could sit in the press box with binoculars and a cigar and be alright

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hesitant to bitch too much about reporters tweeting along quotes

and speculating about what the ultimate story might be. Like it or not, it’s a little bit like getting a peek inside the mechanically separated chicken factory.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean it whets the appetite?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 5, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

or something.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think she’s much of a reporter.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thought her ESPN mag story on the McCourt divorce was pretty good

although mostly catchup, there were a couple new things in there.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that was the first time the story about the staples and multiple copies of the MPA was first floated around.

Who knew that the whole case was going to be built around that.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who knew that the whole case was going to be built around that.

BHsportsguy

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The purpose of the trial

was to rule on the validity of the MPA, so it shouldn’t be surprising that it became central to the case.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My takeaway is that we’ll know soon. Maybe the Dodgers announce his extension. Or maybe another team announces him as GM

Who is she Peter King now? Maybe the Dodgers will win the game. Maybe they will lose. I don’t really know.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure she asked Logan if this is fine.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I certainly believe

that when she called him, it was clear if it was on or off the record.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think someone in the last thread

was wondering why when the football guy flipped off the refs, they called it the Hawaiian Good Luck Charm. Here’s the answer:
http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/flipping-the-north-koreans-off/

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

hilarious now that more teams are willing to sign him. Good for him, bad for the Nats.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ethan Martin?? Wow. Talent >>>>>> Results in this case.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are just looking to pick fights today.

But I don’t think 4down hangs out here during the day anymore.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can not deny that he played well while he was there.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because he was 3-4 years older than the competition. Its not as if he’s a converted catcher trying to learn how to catch. He was a full fledged RF 24 year old player who strikes out a ton.

Maybe he’s a better player than I’m giving him credit for, but I’m not betting that Kyle Russell is the player that bucks history.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably only several of these players will make the major leagues

it is not absurd that Kyle Russell is the 16th best prospect in the Cal League.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

First off, fuck your opinion

Second off, Russell did very well to end up at least at average in AA.

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by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

But

the list is Cal League prospects, not Southern League.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i knew Martin would be on there

he is just too talented. and I agree with Kyle Russell making the list. He tore up the league in his time there and had an overall solid season. you have to remember that there are only 10 teams in the California League, and it’s not really loaded with talent

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon

Can you ask why he’s up there?

Does he still have a plus fastball/curve?

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always thought a .207 opp. avg was good, maybe I’m wrong.. Yeah, he walks about 1 batter too many per 9 innings, but he sits at about 9k/9, had a 2.92 ERA, and gave up fewer hits than IP. Sounds like a successful IE season to me. Sure, he struggled in his 23 AA innings, but he walked way more guys once he got up there than he had before, which I’m going to assume led to him giving up more hits. I’m going to take heart in a very good cal league season and assume his AA struggles are a combination of SSS and trying to impress new coaches and teammates at the end of the year.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Link

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475572

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Julio was asking about Martin, who had a HORRIBLE season.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

ignore me then. I totally looked at the wrong name.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dang

Ethan Martin had a terrible year lol. MY BAD

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll ask about Martin

although I know that he still hits 98 mph according to Charlie Hough and DeJon. They both said he also has potentially plus secondary stuff, but i’ll see what BA says

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ethan Martin got owned by Clear Channel stadium. He did not have a good time in the desert this year.

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Oct 5, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Trout is on there, so I think it’s fair to say that Rubby (maybe) and Sands could land on the AA list.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just wondering

Yes or no on Prop 19? (legalization on marijuana)

We’re talking about it in class..

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Could be

an interesting discussion but if it stays here I’ll delete it. Not that I don’t want to discuss it but if Eric wanted the Arizona debate on a fanpost I don’t see this as any different.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends.

Weed is destructive in the sense that it kills ambition and work drive. But the recreational use is no worse than Alcohol can be.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was teaching a lot of students who were loaded up the first chance they got. They may not amounted to anything before drugs, but weed just killed any kind of potential they had.

by Tripon on Oct 5, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

What if you have no ambition or work drive to begin with?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 5, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

jimcallisBA
  
Still a 95-mph fastball and plus curve in there somewhere. @JulioNievas: Saw the CAL list today. Why is E.Martin on list after awful season?

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Five years ago - Top 20 Cal League Prospects

1. Brandon Wood, ss, Rancho Cucamonga
2. Stephen Drew, ss, Lancaster
3. Howie Kendrick, 2b, Rancho Cucamonga
4. Ian Stewart, 3b, Modesto
5. Billy Butler, 3b/of, High Desert
6. Daric Barton, 1b, Stockton
7. Edison Volquez, rhp, Bakersfield
8. Thomas Diamond, rhp, Bakersfield
9. Adam Jones, ss, Inland Empire
10. Eddy Martinez-Esteve, of, San Jose
11. John Danks, lhp, Bakersfield
12. Asdrubal Cabrera, ss, Inland Empire
13. Chris Iannetta, c, Modesto
14. Miguel Montero, c, Lancaster
15. Ubaldo Jimenez, rhp, Modesto
16. Nate Schierholtz, of, San Jose
17. George Kotttaras, c, Lake Elsinore
18. Jim Miller, rhp, Modesto
19. Juan Morillo, rhp, Modesto
20. Chris Lubanski, of, High Desert

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

BA's list

as a comparison to this year’s list

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rough count

16 have tasted the majors – I don’t recognize the names at 10, 18-20. 80% sounds like a pretty good score for BA.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. *Brandon Wood, ss, Rancho Cucamonga
2. *Stephen Drew, ss, Lancaster
3. *Howie Kendrick, 2b, Rancho Cucamonga
4. *Ian Stewart, 3b, Modesto
5. *Billy Butler, 3b/of, High Desert
6. *Daric Barton, 1b, Stockton
7. *Edison Volquez, rhp, Bakersfield
8. *Thomas Diamond, rhp, Bakersfield
9. *Adam Jones, ss, Inland Empire
10. Eddy Martinez-Esteve, of, San Jose
11. *John Danks, lhp, Bakersfield
12. *Asdrubal Cabrera, ss, Inland Empire
13. *Chris Iannetta, c, Modesto
14. *Miguel Montero, c, Lancaster
15. *Ubaldo Jimenez, rhp, Modesto
16. *Nate Schierholtz, of, San Jose
17. *George Kotttaras, c, Lake Elsinore
18. *Jim Miller, rhp, Modesto
19. *Juan Morillo, rhp, Modesto
20. Chris Lubanski, of, High Desert
*Has played in major leagues

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

90%

even better.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lubanski was Gatorade HS Player of the year. That award winner has a decent track record.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

1986 Gary Sheffield
1987 Willie Banks
1988 Mark Lewis
1989 Jeffrey Jackson
1990 Todd Van Poppel
1991 Brian Barber
1992 A.J. Hinch
1993 Alex Rodriguez
1994 Doug Million i
1995 Chad Hutchinson
1996 Matt White
1997 Darnell McDonald
1998 Drew Henson
1999 B.J. Garbe
2000 Jason Stokes
2001 Casey Kotchman
2002 Zack Greinke
2003 Chris Lubanski
2004 Mark Rogers
2005 Justin Upton
2006 Clayton Kershaw
2007 Rick Porcello
2008 Kyle Skipworth
2009 Matt Hobgood
2010 Kaleb Cowart

"You need to on your tip-top game with your GTL to stay FTD to get the girls DTF in MIA." - The Situation

by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

Darnell McDonald still trying to make finally got his day with the Red Sox this year.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Todd Van PoppeLOL

what a hyped prospect that guy was, like Ben McDonald back in the day. I was a Phillies fan as a kid when they drafted Jackson ahead of Frank Thomas, back when they were terrible.

by Pure Azure on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where was the Dodger affiliate in those days

San Berdoo?

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, right.

The other great hitter’s park.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

So this means

That Ethan Martin could have relative success like Ubaldo, but also fail like Lubanski, or in the middle.

So it doesn’t mean anything at all..

by Julio Nievas on Oct 5, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's always the case

But it’s an example that BA might be pretty good at identifying the true talent.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because of that chance

I chose to call it “an (meaning one) example”. I’m certainly not going to hold up one sample and claim BA knows all.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

And

90% of those class A players did make the majors.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Florida State League - 5 years ago

1. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Vero Beach
2. Justin Verlander, rhp, Lakeland
3. Lastings Milledge, of, St. Lucie
4. Jason Vargas, lhp, Jupiter
5. Matt Kemp, of, Vero Beach
6. Matt Moses, 3b, Fort Myers
7. Denard Span, of, Fort Myers
8. Justin Orenduff, rhp, Vero Beach
9. David Purcey, lhp, Dunedin
10. Jordan Tata, rhp, Lakeland
11. Tony Abreu, 2b, Vero Beach
12. Chin-Lung Hu, ss, Vero Beach
13. Adam Lind, of, Dunedin
14. Brent Clevlen, of, Lakeland
15. Scott Moore, 3b, Daytona
16. Adam Harben, rhp, Fort Myers
17. Chuck Tiffany, lhp, Vero Beach
18. Brian Dopirak, 1b, Daytona
19. Tim Moss, 2b, Clearwater
20. Philip Humber, rhp, St. Lucie

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chuck Tiffany and Greg Miller

two biggest reasons I’m such a pitching prospect skeptic.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

And to prepare you for Thursday - 2005 Southern League list

1. Delmon Young, of, Montgomery (2010 – Minnesota Twins starting OF)
2. Jeremy Hermida, of, Carolina (2010 – Oakland)
3. Jeff Francoeur, of, Mississippi (2010 – Texas)
4. Chris Young, of, Birmingham (2010 – AZ starting CF)
5. Chad Billingsley, rhp, Jacksonville (2010 – Dodgers SP)
6. Joel Guzman, ss, Jacksonville (2010 – AA)
7. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Jacksonville (2010 – Pittsburgh backup IF)
8. Felix Pie, of, West Tenn (2010 – Baltimore)
9. Brian McCann, c, Mississippi (2010 – Atlanta starting catcher)
10. Russell Martin, c, Jacksonville (2010 – Dodger starting catcher, injured)
11. Scott Olsen, lhp, Carolina (2010 – Washington starting pitcher)
12. Matt Murton, of, West Tenn (2010 – out of MLB/Minor Leagues)
13. Bobby Jenks, rhp, Birmingham (2010 – White Sox closer)
14. Jonathan Broxton, rhp, Jacksonville (2010 – Dodger reliever)
15. Rich Hill, lhp, West Tenn (2010 – Boston/minors)
16. Dustin Nippert, rhp, Tennessee (2010 – Texas reliever)
17. Ricky Nolasco, rhp, West Tenn (2010 – Florida starter)
18. Renyel Pinto, lhp, West Tenn (2010 – released by St. Louis)
19. Chuck James, lhp, Mississippi (2010 AAA)
20. Elijah Dukes, of, Montgomery (2010 – not in baseball)

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

JtD!

(cries)

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

20. Elijah Dukes, of, Montgomery (2010 – not in baseball)

Man.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 of 20

Review I’d have
McCann
Billingsley
Nolasco
Chris Young
D Young

I still find it hard to believe that LaRoche and JtD washed out.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers were STACKED. But only Kemp (mostly) panned out.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I find it far more likely that it’s a small league with no real talent at the time.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chin-Lung Hu at 12? Was there only 8 teams in that league? Holy crap. Adam Lind must have turned it on to pass a legend like Hu.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hu was a big time prospect back then. Some of the most amazing defense anyone had seen.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even then

scouts said his glove would play at SS in the majors, so it was about whether or not his bat would develop. He has tasted the majors, so how far off is that? As Jon Weisman said the other day about Jack Taschner:

In the end, I have tremendous respect for anyone who makes it this far.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

We need #10 back in the majors, and his relatives if they can cut it.

Save the Tatas!

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine this makes Kuroda more signable for the Dodgers

from Gurnick:

Kuroda hasn’t announced if he will remain in the Major Leagues or return to Japan, but he did say over the weekend that he would most likely seek only a one-year contract, which is also something the Dodgers prefer.
I can certainly see Ned loading up to sign Kuroda for one year to be in the middle of the rotation.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Kuroda on a 1 yr deal would be pretty excellent.

by OB12 on Oct 5, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Makes it much more likely, I think.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 5, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why

I posted it! We needed some good news.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a hitter now…he’ll want to stay in the NL

by KellyStephen on Oct 5, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

so if the Dodgers fall out of contention next year

maybe they can trade him THIS time for a nice return

by Pure Azure on Oct 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to Cot's

Kuroda had “no-trade protection” in his last contract. I’ll be he asks for, and gets, it again.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or negotiate it away

Maybe he wants a little more money in exchange for no no-trade clause.

Or maybe he wants a big escalator that kicks in if he gets traded.

Everything is negotiable.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Usually players like to get compensated to do that

and Kuroda has a very strong preference not to leave this area, or so I’ve heard.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Brandon's choice for offensive MVP pans out

because it’s about time a James Baldwin really contributed to the Dodgers. I voted for Cash though, based on his draft pedigree and will reserve excitement for Baldwin until he develops more.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

We can finally get return for Onan Masaoka! :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always pulled for Onan.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Easy rec

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember who we traded for Juan Encarnacion?

For some reason that popped into my brain last night, I can look it up but I’’m curious if anyone knows off the top of their head.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember Travis Ezi, but not the other guy

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

It turns out there was no other guy. Ha!

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really, you remember Travis Ezi?

According to Baseball Ref that is all. I have zero recollection of one Travis Ezi, did you really remember him?

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Swear to God

That deal stuck out for me for no apparent reason.

Same reason I remember Wilkin Ruan

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see Ruan trucks all the time

on the freeway. I always think “Wilkin Ruan”.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure I'll never forget Henri Stanley

but Travis Ezi, I never ever even heard of him so I was unable to forget him.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember being mad that offseason because Jose Guillen signed with the Angels for 2 years, $6 million as a free agent, but the Dodgers traded for a guy under team control who signed for 2/$8m. My thought was, why give up anyone (even Ezi) for a guy that costs more than a similar (if not better) player?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember right, there was another 2-year, $6 million contract given to a similar outfielder that offseason, which only strengthened my resolve regarding Encarnacion.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

it was Reggie Sanders who also signed for 2/$6m that offseason.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I would have liked Reggie

I expect if I’d been writing I’d been all over signing him back then.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can barely remember who we traded Encarnacion for.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap that's obscure

I had forgotten that the same team was involved in getting Encarnacion and getting rid of him.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I thought my mind was playing tricks with me, but sure enough the Marlins traded him away and then got him back in the big trade.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trades made by two different GMs though

less than 8 months apart.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tampa or Texas

two underdog teams, only one can win the the right to beat the Yankee’s. Ranger offense over the Ray pitching? or Ray pitching over the Ranger offense?

I should do a preview. but I won’t. lazy ass.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Rays

I like Vlad, and Cliff Lee is cool, but I would like Tampa and the Twins to be in the ALCS.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

As big a Ray fan as I am

hard for me to root against Vlady/Hamilton.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am officially rooting for Texas

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 5, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the only “no loss” series for me, in that I would feel no emotional loss if Texas wins.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am as well.

I can’t help but root for Josh Hamilton.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only root for home run derby winners.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. You guys have answered which team you like better/would prefer to beat the Yankees, but Phil was (I think) asking who has the better chance of beating the Yankees. Opinions?

by berkowit28 on Oct 5, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe Texas swept them recently

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers or Rays?

We’re sitting on needles and pins
To find out just which of them wins
Our grace and our thanks
For beating the Yanks?
Please, just don’t count out the Twins.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be funny

if this Twin team wins after the much better Twin teams could not.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Braves/Giants probables

Lowe/Lincecum
Hanson/Cain
Hudson/Sanchez

Lowe will most likely pitch Game 4. Bumgarner will pitch if the Giants are up 2-1. Probably Lincecum if they are down 2-1.

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by Alex41592 on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like a Giant Sweep

funny to see Lowe going in game one. Dude has pitched in an awful lot of playoff games.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lowe will close out the Giants in Game 4 in Atlanta.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't see a sweep

I think cain will shit himself

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have bet $5 that two of the underdogs move on.

“underdogs” means

Rangers over Rays
Twins over Yanks
Braves over Giants
Reds over Phillies

If two pan out, I win. Will I be paying $5?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn that is some good pitching for the Giants.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

When do the playoffs start?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

no sports page at work?

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

who reads the newspaper?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I added a new poll onto the right sidebar of the TBLA mainpage

here. Vote for the World Series matchup you want most to see this year. I put the absolutely worst choice in the last slot.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is Dusty growing on me after all these years? I somehow want to see them win.

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I voted for Rays ... and Giants

Here’s why. Tampa Bay is my clear favorite for the four AL teams. In the NL, I don’t like any of the choices, but the Giants at least give me the most compelling reason to watch. I definitely won’t be rooting for them in the World Series, but it’s still a series that has infinitely more appeal and interest to me than seeing the Phillies, Braves or Reds.

I’m realizing how much I still don’t like the Reds from their NL West years. In my formative years as a Dodger fan, the Reds were my main antagonist.
 
And I still haven’t recovered from how tired I became of the Braves and the Tomahawk chop.

by JonWeisman on Oct 5, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, the funny thing for me is that I grew up a Dodger fan but did not start watching them a ton until 6-7 years ago. My dad never imparted a Giants hatred in me, so I would rather see them do well than the Phillies.

I voted Texas/Reds But I would be fine with Texas/Giants

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 5, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have lot of trouble rooting for the NL teams

for a lot of the same reasons. There are things about all four teams that I really find unappealing, and I’m still not sure which I can put aside most easily. At the moment, I think it is the competition in the 70s with Big Red Machine. I like some of the players in Cincy, so I think I can root for them, but my feelings on this shift hourly.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

First game I remember going to see

was a Labor Day doubleheader against the Reds in 1972.

4 HOF played that day (Morgan, Perez, Bench for the Reds and Frank Robinson for the Dodgers, plus Rose, Concepcion, Tommy John, Hal McRae, Bobby Tolan, Lee Lacy, Willie Davis, Wilie Crawford, Bobby Valentine, Bill Russell, Steve Garvey) Don’t specifically recall it but Steve Yeagar hits his first MLB home run that day, Frank Robinson hit one too.

The Reds were a true rival but I never really disliked them. I was definitely more into the NL vs AL thing back then so I was happy when they beat the Red Sox and Yankees.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m trying to find the first game I remember attending.

It was certainly at Yankee Stadium. But everything else is up to memory: i seem to remember it being against the Red Sox. I seem to remember Guidry losing 1-0. It would have been in 1981 or thereabouts.

But I have to be wrong on at least one of those rememberances. Guidry did not lose 1-0 to the Red Sox at home in 1981.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking it's got to be this one

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1981/B09120NYA1981.htm

Wrong on Guidry, wrong on 1-0 (but a low-scoring game). A Saturday in 1981. Looks right.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh, 1981, good year.

I was -5 years old. My mom and dad were both 20 years old.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your parents are young.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 5, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

their 30th H.S. reunion would have been last year, so there.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Close. He said what year he graduated HS yesterday or the day before yesterday.

I can’t remember, I’ve been working so hard to get Prop 19 passed….

by keithc13 on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Class of 1978.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I turned 21

at the tail end of 1981. So, close to the same age?

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently, I saw pinch hitter Oscar Gamble bat for designated hitter Lou Piniella.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He probably did not have the giant 'fro w/ the Yankees

Too bad.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Put your cursor in the text box, click on the icon that looks like a tree

and paste your link (the direct link to the picture, not the web page the picture appears on). You can right-click on the picture and “copy image location” to get the link in most browsers. If the pic is large, you can resize by typing “width=200” in place of the last “/” just inside the “>”, to resize it. 200 is the size I used for Oscar, above, other numbers work as well, of course.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, let's see if this works.

<img src=“http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000WFE446/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=3375251&s=sporting-goods”/200>

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nnnnope.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try again

<img src=“http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/oscar-gamble-autographed-baseball-card-new-york-yankees-1981-topps-card_f4de70d7528dd4895c2f6c8497f251e9.jpg”/width=200>

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more time

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think my instructions were that hard to follow!

but obviously that was the problem.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The earliest game I remember details of is September 7, 1985. The Dodgers beat the Mets 7-6 on a walk-off single by Mike Marshall, scoring Jose Gonzalez (Tom Neidenfuer gave up a run in the 8th and 9th to blow the save).

It was sock day, and my brother Greg got stung by a bee when he took a drink from his can of Coca Cola.

I know I went to games before that, and I specifically remember when I was even younger (probably 1983-1984) going with a bunch of family, but my cousin and I were both making toilet jokes most of the night.

Thinks haven’t changed much in 26 or so years.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am fortunate that I will be able to tell Spawn the first game she attended:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2008/B04150LAN2008.htm

Bride was walking her around during the fourth and came back top of the fifth. She was asleep but when the Dodgers rallied for 5 in the fifth she woke up screaming. “Maybe she’s a Pirates fan,” I said.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 5, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no memory of the Reds in the NL West.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

shh

don’t show them your young’in side

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember the Reds in the NL West, but I was really young at the time, so young in feels like another life ago. That being said, this Reds team has some good young players and are kinda fun to watch. I voted for Reds-Rays.

by OB12 on Oct 5, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

kids

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

delias man is the one who suggested we get rid of the name Superbas.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a big fan of the Robins

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by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers and Braves

Rangers because they’ve never been there, but I’d be just as happy with the Rays or Twinkies. I despise all the NL teams, but Braves fans are so weak that maybe I can score WS tickets.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 5, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will not go to a WS game until i see the Dodgers in the WS.

"She had summer teeth. Some are like this.. & some are like that.." - DJ Pauly D

by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am surprised that I did not try and go to a game with my cousin

in 2002, as he was a big Angel fan.

Just never thought about it.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The big question is

was he “a big Angel fan” before 2002? ;-)

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yes

We went to games to see Tanana and Ryan and two days of crying back in the 1970s.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine, fine reasoning

Oh yeah, in the AL anyone but the Yankees is ok with me.

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by David Young on Oct 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reds are the only team I want to come out of the NL

that I would root for.

Giant/Yankee series I’d have to root for the Giants. It could be a compelling series.

Hard to come up with one series I’m rooting for.
Rays or Rangers against the Reds. If your name does not start with a R I’m not interested. I’d rather see the Yankees then the Twins because other then Mauer the Twins have nobody I’m interested in watching.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

root for the Giants?

I guess you never were at a game in SF and had a 7 year old giant fan use his foam finger as a gun, point to you and say die fucker! I hope that kid feels pain forever and beyond.

"She had summer teeth. Some are like this.. & some are like that.." - DJ Pauly D

by delias man on Oct 5, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized the Rockies got swept in St. Louis

to end their season. That means they ended their 2010 season by losing 8 straight, and 13 of 14, all starting with the 6-1 lead over Kershaw at Dodger Stadium that they blew.

It was the inverse of 2007, when they won 13 of 14 to force a game 163.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

A meltdown of epic proportions

something they will never forget. And Cargo did not hit .339.

by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing for Silverwidow he only said .330 :)

A quirk of Baseball-Reference: despite leading the Rockies in PA (and his .336 AVG), CarGo isn’t listed as a starter on their 2010 team page. Because he split time all over the OF, he had fewer innings in LF than Seth Smith and fewer in RF than Brad Hawpe, the listed starters because B-R uses innings played at each position to determine the starters.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only one player since 1901

had a season even close to similar to Cargo (.336+ BA, 40+ BB, 135+ K) with at least 502 PA.

Mo Vaughn in 1998
.337, 61 BB, 144 K

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying, beware Rockies fans when CarGo goes ambling near the dugout while attempting to catch a foul popup in the first game of 2011?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

also be careful if Cargo goes to the buffet to often in the off season.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

especially if the buffet is at the strip club.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just some chat answers

BH (Southern California): If Kenley Jansen made enough appearances in the Cal League, where would he had ranked?

Josh Leventhal: Jansen was gone so quickly that he really wasn’t discussed much. Gotta figure he’d be up toward the top.

BH (Southern California): Is building up arm strength the biggest concern for both Aaron Miller and Ethan Martin?

Josh Leventhal: For Martin, it sounds like more a matter of command and control than arm strength. Miller could command and control his fastball well, more a matter of refining his breaking and offspeed pitches.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

One last one from me

BH (Southern California): Two concerns about Kyle Russell, the high number of strikeouts and his age relative to the league he is playing in. Is his ranking based on the idea that he can improve or more a reflection of the talent in this year’s version of the Cal League?

Josh Leventhal: Probably a bit of both. Russell has a quick, relatively compact stroke. It sounds like more a matter of discipline, and learning to lay of breaking pitches out of the zone, than mechanics. Certainly no consensus, though, as to whether he can accomplish that.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I asked like 4 questions

and he didn’t answer any of mine, but instead answered like 4 of yours in a row. My questions were very similar to yours, and it’s not like they were lame or obscure questions.

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

GScott (SoCal): What’s your favorite kind of pizza?

Josh Leventhal: Pizza is unamerican.

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by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with that to a point

but I don’t feel like Colettii can be trusted to build on a small budget. Instead of bringing along young talent he thinks its a good idea to trade young talent for shitty veterans and cash.

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

New post up.

Starting pitching yay!

Offense boo!

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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