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Dodgers Roster Breakdown

Determining Russell Martin's future  is one of several roster decisions needed to be made by the Dodgers this offseason.

There will be plenty of time this offseason for moves, but here's an overview of the current Dodger 40-man roster.  There are 40 players currently on the 40-man roster, including one (Russell Martin) on the 60-day disabled list.  That will change quickly after the World Series as players file for free agency.  I have split them into a few groups:

Free Agents (8)

Type A*:  Ted Lilly

Type B*:  Rod Barajas

OthersHiroki Kuroda**, Vicente Padilla, Jay Gibbons, Reed Johnson, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Weaver

*Eddie Bajek of Detroit Tigers Thoughts has done a great job of figuring out the Elias Rankings, and has posted them at MLB Trade Rumors.  In order to receive compensation for Type A or Type B free agents, the club must offer them arbitration.  Type A free agents net a first round pick from the team that signs them, provided the pick isn't in the top 15 (not including supplemental picks for failing to sign the first round pick for the previous season), in addition to a supplemental pick in between the first and second rounds.

If a team signs more than one Type A free agent, the players are ranked by their Elias ranking, they give up picks in the lower rounds as well.  For instance, the Yankees two years ago gave up their first three picks for signing CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett, all Type A free agents.  Type B free agents net only a supplemental pick.

The Dodgers' first round pick in the 2011 draft, number 16 overall, will be a protected pick, meaning if they sign a Type A free agent the Dodgers would give up their second round pick rather than their first.

**UPDATE: After some more research and discussion, Kuroda isn't a Type B free agent, at least for purposes of compensation. With three years of service time, the way he is a free agent is through contractual obligation, the mechanism being that the Dodgers won't offer him arbitration, thus making him a free agent. Thanks to David Young for the heads up.

Options (1)

Scott Podsednik has a mutual option for $2 million in 2011, with a $100,000 buyout.

Under Contract (6)

Player 2010 Salary 2011 Salary
Rafael Furcal $8,500,000 $12,000,000
Andre Ethier $6,000,000 $9,250,000
Matt Kemp $4,000,000 $7,100,000
Jonathan Broxton $4,000,000 $7,000,000
Casey Blake $6,250,000 $5,250,000
Jamey Carroll $1,550,000 $2,500,000


Arbitration Eligible (6)

Player Service Time 2010 Base Salary
George Sherrill 5.147 $4,500,000
Russell Martin 4.150 $5,050,000
Ryan Theriot 4.118 $2,600,000
Hong-Chih Kuo 4.114 $950,000
Chad Billingsley 4.110 $3,850,000
James Loney 4.012 $3,100,000

 

The service time is listed in years and days, such that 5.147 means five years, 147 days of service time. There are 183 days in a major league season, but it only takes 172 days to accrue a full year of service time. A player can't received credit for more than 172 days in a season.

Under Team Control (19)

Player Service Time 2010 Base Salary Options Used Options Left
Clayton Kershaw 2.105 $440,000 2008 LOL
Ramon Troncoso 2.080 $416,000 2008,2010 1
Ronald Belisario 1.133 $412,500 2004,2005,2008 none
A.J. Ellis 1.062 $400,000* 2009,2010 1
Xavier Paul 1.041 $400,000* 2008,2009,2010 none
Chin-Lung Hu 1.016 $401,000* 2008,2009,2010 none
Carlos Monasterios 1.000 $400,000 none 3
Travis Schlichting 0.143 $400,000* 2009,2010 1
John Ely 0.101 $400,000 2010 2
Scott Elbert 0.100 $400,000* 2009,2010 1
Brent Leach 0.090 $400,000* 2009,2010 1
Trent Oeltjen 0.087 $400,000 2009 2
Kenley Jansen 0.073 $400,000 2010 2
Jon Link 0.047
$400,000 2009,2010 1
John Lindsey 0.028 $400,000 none 3
Russ Mitchell 0.028 $400,000 none 3
Javy Guerra 0.000 ------ 2010 2
Trayvon Robinson 0.000 ------ 2010 2
Ivan DeJesus 0.000 ------ 2010 2

*estimated

For more detailed payroll information, be sure to visit the payroll worksheet, of which a summary is always located on the right sidebar.

Here are some important dates to remember for the offseason:

  • Day After World Series Ends:  begins 5-day period for eligible players to file for free agency
  • November 20:  Date reserve lists must be set (adding players to 40-man roster for purposes of Rule 5 draft); Note: I'm not sure if this has been moved up or not, with all the other recent date changes.
  • November 23:  Last date to offer arbitration to free agents to receive compensation
  • November 30:  Deadline for free agents to accept or decline arbitration
  • December 2:  Deadline to tender contracts to players under team control or pre-free agency arbitration-eligible players
  • January 5-15: Salary arbitration filing period
  • January 18: Clubs and players exchange salary arbitration figures
  • March 2-11: Contracts for players under team control that have not yet signed can be renewed

For reference, the Dodgers had 29 players on the 40-man roster before adding four minor leaguers before last November 20 (Jansen, Robinson, DeJesus, and Guerra).

It will be a long offseason, but the hot stove is always interesting.

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Rays lineup

Bartlett SS
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Pena 1B
Baldelli DH
Zoby RF
Shoppach C
Rodriguez 2B

Old friends Willy Aybar & Dioner Navarro left off ALDS roster. Per Marc Tompkin of the St. Petersburg Times, Aybar is among those staying with team to workout, while Navarro is among those sent home.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Rangers lineup

Andrus SS
Young 3B
Hamilton CF
Guerrero DH
Cruz LF
Kinsler 2B
Francoeur RF
Cantu 1B
Molina C

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I love the LOL

in Kershaw’s option column.

Also, I read that players no longer have to file for free agency, it happens automatically.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah the LOL was a nice touch.

by OB12 on Oct 6, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed – made me LOL too.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

good work E

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

agreed.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had a dream last night that Chad Billingsley was traded to Seattle. This is the second time this year I had a dream about one of our pitchers getting traded. Before it was Chris Withrow being traded to the Cubs for (I think, the dream wasn’t too clear) Carlos Zambrano. Not sure who the Dodgers got back for Billingsley.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Justin Smoak

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s the ticket

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Sex List

I don’t know if anyone has heard about this, but apparently a Duke grad student basically did a thesis on “horizontal academics”, documenting with Powerpoint slides her numerous hook-ups and sexual encounters with many Duke students. It goes into vivid detail with pictures and names along with size, performance, et al. The relevant part is that a certain Dodger prospect was documented in the report.

by OB12 on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

we've heard

Late Night Lemmerman

(for Humma)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it!

Clink!

Classier than Tommy Blackjack since 2010

by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

clink!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It really is a good one

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they kept Jansen down to keep him from being a Super-Two setup man. Assuming Broxton and Kuo are gone by Jansen’s first arb year in 2012, he could be a damn expensive closer in four years instead of only moderately overpriced.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I doubt it

They weren’t going to call him up in late May anyway

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

The more important fact is that

Jansen still maintains rookie eligibility for 2011. If he wins the closer job, or splits it w/ Kuo, coming out of ST, he may be the early candidate for NL ROY.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you all think Neftali will take it this year?

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 6, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The

NL ROY? No. ;-)

He seems like the favorite in the AL, though I haven’t paid very close attention.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

So how much do we have for Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry. I needed to laugh today.

Now I am sad…

by UCLAClass05 on Oct 6, 2010 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

don't read Plaschke's newest article then

unless you want to be angry and sick to your stomach as well.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anything in particular today? Or just Plashke himself making me angry and sick to my stomach.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

he should

but he’s gushing over Arte Moreno saying he would spend “whatever it took” to help the Angels.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The usual disingenuous pablum

Praising Moreno for doing stuff that is pretty similar to stuff he skewered McCourt for.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh forget lee

gonna cost way too damn much. Crawford might not get that crazy a deal… ah who am I kidding yes he will.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s too bad too because I think a guy like Crawford could be the missing piece in our offense. Granted most of the core can duplicate a year like in 2009.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

He would be a perfect LF/#2 hitter.

by kinbote on Oct 6, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still think there is an off chance

we make a run at him. The PR would be great for the McCourts.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

In light of everything

I think Ned will spend every last dollar he can on one-year free agent deals. He’ll probably wait until late in the offseason when prices are lower.

by kinbote on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably

I just think that he knows that won’t be enough, and the McCourts might be willing to let him splurge a little bit on one player.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Won't the PR be bad

if the perception is that they were outbid?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If its by the yankees or red sox?

Maybe. Thats the problem with most fans. If they do nothing they get crucified. If they try but fail to sign the guy, they are cheap, regardless of what contract he gets offered. Although if its the above mentioned teams I think most people would just sigh and move on.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Under Arbitration Eligible

Shouldn’t that be 2010 base salary instead of 2009?

by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 6, 2010 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Nobody corrects Eric and lives to tell about it.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I don’t have a kitten.

by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 6, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed

Ha Ha, I get to fix one of Eric’s oopsies. May be a first.

by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I fixed it before you did :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we should’ve traded Blake for Kenshin Kawakami before Aug 31. He might still be available in the offseason.

by OB12 on Oct 6, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think all-star Infante is a free agent

he should be able to cash in on a big season so the Braves just might be interested. The problem is we don’t have anyone to play 3rd base. They wouldn’t be moving Sands to 3rd base if they thought Mitchell was the answer.

by meercatjohn on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right, but

Ned loves having options and DeJon works for him, so….

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are probably FA pitchers (type B) like that

Jon Garland, for example. Then dump Casey’s contract on whoever would take it. Same result for LA.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesoke breakdown

Two things:

1. We really don’t have anybody signed for 2012? If so, this could be a serious transition year.

2. TB/Texas might be the best DS of all. My DVR plans to enjoy watching it today.

by kinbote on Oct 6, 2010 8:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Casey Blake has a club option.

Rafael Furcal has a 2012 option that vests with 600 PA in 2011; if he gets 625 PA in 2011, it becomes a mutual option.

2012 arb eligibles: Martin (maybe), Loney, Theriot (maybe), Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuo, Troncoso

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

I thought Theriot was already like 36 years old.

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s hoping Raffy’s option vests because it means he had a badass 2011.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you mean 625 PA it becomes a player option? If it becomes a mutual option, woudl that mean that if he gets less than 600 PA (no contract), between 600 and 624 PA (contract for 2012), and greater than 625 PA (no contract.)

If 625 really is a mutual option, the Dodgers can basically move on from Furcal unless he sits exactly in 25 plate appearnces.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right – so if he does really good, he can leave on his own.

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The club still has an option for 2012, but Furcal earns the right to void said option with 625 PA

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

But is the club forced to pick it up at 625 PA?

If so, it becomes a player option at 625+

If not, what is the point of the option being vested at 600?

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose you have the wording correct.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’ll be a moot point since Furcal isn’t getting 600 PAs

by Tripon on Oct 6, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s doing the every other year thing. He’ll get it.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

As you age

it becomes every third year…..

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what she said

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

via mobile

How is the signal inside Peaches anyway?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I updated the payroll sidebar to show 2011 now. Keep in mind it will change significantly, and for right now includes roster guys in vacant spots.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

small request

It will probably be depressing, but could you add a subtotal line above the deferred section to show what we are paying players to play in 2011?

by CarolinaDodger on Oct 6, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

It has been discussed so often here, and is also irrelevant.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't hard to make a good estimate on that subtotal

in your head.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t mess with Belichick huh?

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Eric

Have you weighed in on the Tampa plaid hats yet?

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought at first it was only a Joe Maddon-only thing to try to improve team morale, but then I noticed the players wearing them.

Not a fan.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Tampa Bay McRays of the Clan McLeod. In the end, there can be only one.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 6, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think TBS or Fox will show the beheadings.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maddon asked all fans to come wearing plaid.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

With every other seat at Tropicana Field being empty, it usually looks plaid anyway :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the line from yahoo was something like

I don’t advocate coming to the stadium dressed in plaid, but it’s gotta be better than the fans coming to the stadium dressed as empty seats.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

So all the retirees can just show up

in their golf togs?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i think they look great. Only reason I don’t like off-color dodger hats is because of the tradition behind our hat, but the Rays only have like 3 years of history in their current digs, so who cares.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am actually over the uniform tradition. I love that soccer teams change uniforms every year.

"You tryin’ to smush right now?" - Snooki

by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

like the NBA

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brent Leach

Says he ws optioned in this year (2010). I don’t remember this happening. Am I reading that wrong? Trying to learn more about all of this.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

It happened in Spring Training.

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can’t a player be optioned as many times during the year? Like Link for example, they optioned him down several times.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. He can be optioned an unlimited amount of times during three seasons.

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah okay, so you can only be optioned in 3 different seasons? So Xavier Paul is out of options therefore he has to stay on the Dodgers or other teams can pick him up.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

thank you both..I need to learn more about how this stuff works. Really makes it more interesting when you know what people are talkinag about.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Option years matter, not number of times optioned.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or was that because he was on the Dodgers roster at the end of the year and not making the team out of spring training meant being optioned back to the minors?

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Belisario

His lateness, and his “personal reasons”, at the very least, postponed him making a bump in salary through arbitration by a year (and subsequently postponed his FA by a year, if he’s even in the league that long).

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

When I first read the title of this post I thought it was going to be a 20,000 word thesis giving details of how each player failed this year.

I was pleasantly surprised that was not the case. Good work, bro.

by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s the Dodger roster beatdown, next week (or not) :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to it. I’ll add you to the Plaschke no read list. (Temporarily, of course)

by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT--Nails' Problems

If you haven’t read about Lenny Dykstra’s financial woes there’s an article in today’s LA Times (front page):

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lenny-dykstra-20101006,0,828960.story

But if you want more info there’s an even more in-depth look that was on ESPN.com last year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4084962

The level of ego and failure is absolutely amazing. The ESPN piece is amazing.

by KellyStephen on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I just read the ESPN story

wow. He’s out of his mind.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Having read the SI story last year

I assumed the LAT piece is superfluous.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was before the fall

this is after

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I am thinking of a different article

because it was definitely after the fall. And the first person account from someone who used to work for him for that Players Magazine thing.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm probably thinking of a different article then

Or I’m forgetting the article, probably this.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dykstra is certifiable

and I’ve got no sympathy for him. I do feel sorry for the people he’s fucked up through the years though.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I rolled up on him in the bathroom of my office a couple years ago. after flushing like 10 times in a row he asked me where he could get a cigarette. when I told him he had to go downstairs he was like ‘oh I can go smoke in the stairwell?’ no you idiot. go away.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see the Reds do something. I like the Twins in the AL. But anybody really as long as it’s not the Yankees.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy

The salaries for Broxton and Sherrill are disturbing for next year.

Does anyone know of a legal signal online for TBS, or are we limited to that stupid 4 camera angle thing online.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 6, 2010 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

the stupid 4 camera angle

I’ve probably mentioned it before, but if mlb.tv eliminated blackouts, I would cancel my cable immedietly.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen!

I would gladly pay for MLB.TV if I could watch the Dodgers.

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is literally the only thing stopping me

I would much rather go the on demand route for all my tv, but sports is the killer app for cable, so to speak.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid 4 camera angle thing.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sherrill won’t be making that. Broxton, well, MSTI pointed out that there are no real solutions.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

not even trading him?

I guess his value is probably pretty low.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that he has no value

it’s that all the teams who can afford to take on a 7mil relief pitcher already have their own closer.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Papelbon bad, K-Rod bad, whoever is closing for the Phillies bad, really any reliever but Mariano bad.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

bad is not the problem. beinga ble to afford two underperforming expensive relief pitchers is.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most of them could non tender their bad pitcher though.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only guy on that list that could be non-tendered is papelbon, and I find that unlikely. So I’m not being redundant, I suggest going to MSTI and seeing his article on it from a couple weeks ago.

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha the Phillies have Lidge for two more years. How the hell is that even possible?

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

And they gave Madson a three year deal….

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Madson is still a good set up man isn't he?

just sucks as a closer.

We talk about how the closer is so overrated, but it does seem that pitchers do fail quite often when trying to pitch in the ninth. Self fulfilling prophecy? Everyone says its so important so they get all mental about it?

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

All relievers* are kinda shitty to begin with. You become a “proven setup man” by pitching over your head. When your kinda shitty reliever that was your closer falls back down to Earth, proven setup man becomes closer. Proven setup man then regresses back to the mean and doesn’t have the closer mentality.

*Not Mariano

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus once you become a “good reliever” senile manager pitches your arm off.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

and he already started that when you were a proven setup man.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

such a volatile game

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truly. Hell, we’re one year removed from proven setup man Ramon Troncoso.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

And 2 years removed from proven setup man Cory Wade

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

and 3 years removed from proven setup man Joe Beimel

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

and 6 years removed from ERIC GAGNE 4EVER

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm disappointed in you

If you wanted in on the thread, you needed to say what was going on 4 years ago. You jumped ahead.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

more premature than IVdown!

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

there was supposed to be some sort of saito comment coming

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

in my defense

2006 was Broxton. So he doesn’t really contribute here either.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I've got it

and 5 years removed from proven setup man Duaner Sanchez.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe 2004 was the year of Guillermo Mota

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

2003 was so cool

we really did play 6 inning ballgames.

38 year old Kevin Brown with his 2.39 ERA in 32 starts, Paul Quantrill, Mota and Gagne slamming it shut from the back end. ’Twas good times. And the end of Dodgers fans leaving early.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

2003 and 2002.

Paul Schuey, FTW!

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quantrill was the real setup guy. Shuey was more 7th inning.

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quantrill was 7th inning, Mota was the 8th.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

2002 was Q

2003 was M in the 8th

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually Quantrill had

more appearances in 8th both years than Mota. 2002 Q 56-17 2003 Q 60-31

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. Mota was the second best reliever in baseball that year. But Jim Tracy.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Tom Martin with one of the greatest strand rates in history.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Dad didn’t like that they traded him.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nonsense. Mentioning Broxton would have been perfect.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't they have Bard in Boston?

I think people will expect K-Rod to bounce back, but the Phillies might be interested, although considering what they have done to Broxton in the playoffs that might turn them off from him.

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why

Are they taking BP in the TBS studio?

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 6, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Weather

How are we looking in Philly and Minnesota today? I hate rainouts.

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Heard minnesota is chilly but fine. Highs in the 50’s and clear.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized that the Ray's stadium is called Tropicana Field.

Reminds me of Ricky Ricardo from I Love Lucy. That makes me like them just a bit more.

by DodgerSF on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you think, “The Trop” was the official name?

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Polanco can’t answer the bell. The Phillies will be starting Wilson Valdez at third base today.

He’s on the roster though but if he has to be replaced he cannot come back until the World Series (if they get there).

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Wilson Valdez, starting 3B in the playoffs

oO !

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish we could get a reaction quote from Humma.

by kinbote on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

My feeble imitation

“Valdez is coming.”

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reaction is: imagine Tom Hanks, Phillies fan, on a raft, crying,

Willllson, Willllson.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

rec’d

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

My imitation pales

in contrast to the authentic original!

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot that Bronson Arroyo

already has a ring in a box.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably the most significant ring in baseball history too. One that says 2004 Red Sox on it.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

shut up ESPN

I fucking hated that. Not that they won, but the coverage of it. Did anyone want to talk about how they shut down a really good Cardinals offense? NO of course not, CURSE CURSE MUMBO JUMBO BLAH BLAH BLAH. Go fuck yourself ESPN.

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking as a dude who was a Red Sox fan at the time

…and forgive me…

That was one of the most inconsequential World Series in my memory. The comeback against the Yankees is famous, and should be. In a generation, most people won’t even remember that it was the Cardinals they beat.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Red Sox fan at the time? How does that work?

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Humma is a convert!

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

It works like this -- I've told this before

I grew up in Schenectady, New York. My baseball choices were Toronto, Montreal, New York (A), New York (N), or Boston — Schenectady is roughly equidistant from those cities. Of those, the Yankees (on WPIX) and Red Sox (on WSBK) were available on cable. I couldn’t be a Yankees fan, so I became a Red Sox fan. That increased when I went to college near Boston. I moved to LA after graduation but stayed a Sox fan for a number of years.

Then, in 2005, a number of things happened. First, the Sox won the Series, and then became completely insufferable. Also, to watch more baseball live, I became part of a Dodgers season package. I found out about DT and followed along the ’05 season, which was so terrible, and followed the ’05 Suns, who were so fun to watch and discuss. In short, it became impossible to root for the team I was rooting for, I was watching a lot of games of the city I was living in, I was following their minor league club, and discussing them in an online blog. It was easy to convert to a Dodger fan.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

105 wins, and suck it Cardinals!

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

they didnt have the pieces to win the world series like Jeff’s Suppan and Weaver at that time

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

not to mention

Ronnie Belliard

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is too bad

The Cards Astros LCS was awesome.

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was the Beltran year, right?

BTW, in some playoff montage the other day they showed the Endy Chavez catch against the Cardinals. Man, what a beautiful catch.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

That Chavez catch was one of the greatest of all-time IMO. I loved it.

The 2004 NLCS, even though the Dodgers didn’t make it, was pretty sweet. Kent walk-off HR in Game 5, Edmonds walk-off in Game 6 IIRC.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

DeWayne Wise to save Buehrle’s perfect game make that list?

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love that catch

And my first thought was, gee, I wonder what Buehrle gave Wise to thank him for that catch?

I would think, roughly, 24 Rolexes.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

27

one for each batter in a perfect game.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

rec

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya gotta think that AJP was, in high school, voted “Most Likely to Be Ostracized from His Community, Which Hunts Him Down With Torches and Pitchforks, and then Stones Him to Death.”

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gibson LCS at Shea #1?

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love that catch, and only see it in slow motion in my mind.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Swoboda

1969 WS.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies Lineup

Rollins SS
Victorino CF
Utley 2B
Howard 1B
Werth RF
Ibanez LF
Shit C
Valdez 3B
Halladay P

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

They finally wised up and upgraded at catcher

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

mlb audio

Anyone know which broadcasting team is more listenable – the rays or the rangers?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Rays would be my choice.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Listening to the Rays - kind of dull

Just switched to the Rangers, and they seem more boring.

by DodgerSF on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe we must judge by whose local commercials are more sufferable

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

And a wave and a miss…

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reds Lineup

Phillips 2B
Cabrera SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Bruce RF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Volquez P

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

If Texas wins today, do they take the series?

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Their chances

improve. :-)

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not unless

Phil Jackson coaches the Rangers.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard their was some sort of jewish conspiracy involved with game 2 and the rays so we’re guaranteed a 1-1 series if texas wins.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Rays, but my fondness for Texas Toast makes me question my allegiance.

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Texas toast

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

More like if they don’t win today they have no chance

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Slim Jims commercials aren't what they once where

“eat it and beat it”\
….
really?

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

for the SoCal people

anyone else find it funny that the very week that SoCal baseball ends, the weather turns immediately cold and rainy?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

supposed to be warm again this weekend.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about funny

but I immediately thought the same thing on Monday.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

not funny ha ha

funny odd

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

either way

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Need more rain up in socal

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watched a senior softball tournament in a hurricane yesterday. Coming home to more rain was really depressing.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I called our last two games last night. Way too much rain

by robotmadeofnails on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't mind

i just thought it was kinda symbolic

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

well it is a little early but..

It is looking very winter in Mammoth this week

02-15-2011

by MammothDodger on Oct 6, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pumping pure fastballs.

by silverwidow on Oct 6, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe he should change this strategy since hes inducing 400 fouls

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The changed ground rules in TB are the same for both teams

no big deal, get over it.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

What’s the limit on ground rules? Can you put a “hit it here” target in center for double the runs?

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

just put a skee ball target there

see where the ball goes in

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

beyond the RF wall for a free steak dinner.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

gotta hit the Ray

“I held it like an egg.”

“Yeah, and he scrambled the shit out of it.”

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is the best news of the playoffs

that none of the announcing teams have Chip Caray?

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

There’s the first of 3,002,304 Conan commercials scheduled.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Better than Frank TV commercials. I didn’t notice it though, wasn’t paying attention.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

listening on the radio

Buffalo Wild Wings: the home of “Table-gating”

get it?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

better than table-bating. That can get you arrested.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

personal experience?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

self destruction

When I was younger and hated my life because I was working 20 hours a day buffalo wild wings in Houston was my sanctuary. Tons of beers, ranch dressing and smoking at your table? Sign me up.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh I was there sunday

and they had those ads up. They need to advertise better. Just say you have a billionty tables and delicious wings and I’ll be there.

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

b illionty tvs

not tables

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee now has an

infinite WHIP in this playoffs.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

and after Crawford bats

it still is.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

and after Longoria bats

it still is.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Upton struck out though.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, so it's 9.0

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

rangers are starting francouer? damn.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

has their been an ex-cubs analysis of the playoffs this year

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Please don't use

that overhead angle again. Yuck.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

You know what we missed out on this year?

Three weeks of discussing and arguing as to who will be on the playoff roster. That was a good time last year. It’s those little things I’ll miss in the years the Dodgers suck.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I miss it as well.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the year’s that we don’t suck, I truly would give anything to hear Vin announce a playoff series instead of Joe Buck or Time McCarver

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

say Crawford did come to the Dodgers

where does he bat in the lineup?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Where ever he wants?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he’d have to be behind Theriot, so…

No, I think he would bat second behind Furcal.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correct Answer:

“Wherever he wants.”

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit I didn'ts see Marty's response first

Btw, is there ANY chance they have a shot at him, or none at all?

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

With my theory of a semi-blow up and Ned/Frank surprising us, I say yes.

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think with as many teams that want him

slim to none. But others know more than me.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Furcal, Crawford, Kemp, Ethier would not suck.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can imagine it

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean: Crawford Theriot Kemp Ethier for 80 games.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

but it wouldn’t suck as much as Carroll Theriot Kemp Ethier at least.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I found a site online streaming the ESPN Spanish broadcast of the TB-Tex game

It’s actually better than listening to a lot of the regular ESPN announcers.

I know how to say “Cliff Lee’s already in trouble” in Espanol!

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Some things I need cleared up

How come the Dodgers’ pick is protected when it’s not in the top 15? What’s the difference between under contract and under team control?

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I know one aspect is AZ’s failure to sign their first round pick. They get a do-over.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 6, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worst 15 teams are protected. The only reason the Dodgers pick isn’t 13th is because there are 3 unsigned first rounders from last year, and those teams get compensation picks (one pick after their 2009 position)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The bottom 15 teams get protected picks, not the top 15 picks. AZ gets #7, Padres #10 and Milwaukee #15 for not signing their picks in the last draft. So, 15 teams + 3 set picks = first 18 are protected.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Team control are the pre-arb players who the Dodgers own the rights to. They are cheap and aren’t going anywhere. Contracts are post-arb players who signed multi-year deals with the Dodgers.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The human head weighs eight pounds.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dogs and bees can smell fear.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Michael got me. I didn’t see she asked two questions at once. I was just so damn eager to answer the first one that I posted prematurely. Again.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are the Matt Kemp of this thread.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just put in a call to Dave Stewart to berate you endlessly.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Under contract is actually a signed contract.

Team control are players with under 3 years of service time. They basically have no rights. If the player and club don’t agree on contract terms by March 2, the team can simply renew the contract at whatever amount they see fit, subject to the minimum and 20% cut rule.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks Michael, Eric. I’d reply under Michael but Scott and Kavula got there first : ) So basically your first three years in MLB you’re a wage slave until you put in enough service time?

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. And that’s after you make it to the majors. Before that, the Dodgers own your minor league rights where you make even less.

The only recourse is that if you are good, the Dodgers will eventually ahve to protect you from the Rule 5 draft by putting you on the 40 man roster. At that point, you get a pay bump and you start using options.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s rough. But at least they seem to still be in the six figure range. MLS players in that position are making $30k, living with roommates or their parents

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is roughly the rate of a minor leaguer, on the 40-man roster for the first time (minimum in 2010 was $32,500). For the Dodgers this year, that would have been Ivan DeJesus, Trayvon Robinson, and Javy Guerra. Kenley “the Dutch Rudder” Jansen, too, before he was called up.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

which all makes sense since MLS, while not under anyone’s control, is a minor league in the World soccer schema, with a few teams (Chivas USA, New York Red Bulls, Real Salt Lake) having overseas or overborder parent clubs.

Which is a weird double think, knowing your covering a minor league sport but treating it like a major league.

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

a wage slave making a minimum of 400k a year, yes.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

but salary is all relative at that level. Kershaw is bringing in more than $400k to the Dodgers, they probably make that in parking on nights when he’s pitching and that’s really the only draw on a losing team.

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw is arguably

the most valuable player in terms of worth compared to salary in major league baseball.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt

that Kershaw is a draw on his own, I can think of two players who affected attendance when they pitched, Fernando in 1981 and Nomo in 1995,

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have the Dodgers made any attempt to advertise Kershaw, or did we blow the budget by putting Nickelback on a billboard?

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not sure it matters

the two players I mentioned were popular because they brought more Latinos or in Nomo’s case, there were tours from Japan that made it point to go to the game.

Certainly a new campaign might make Kershaw more visible but the average fan is not going to decide around 4:00 to go to the game just to see Clayton pitch.

They’ll go more for the fleece blanket than the player.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, wins translates into revenue (or so the conventional wisdown goes), and Kershaw was the most valuable player. So there’s that.

by Michael White on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it might not make much difference, but the Dodgers have been noticeably bad at advertising any players they have not named Manny.

Maybe no one thinks Kershaw is an ace because the team never gives LA a reason to care about him.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

advertising is expensive, maybe the Dodgers can’t justify an ad campaign that would cost more than Clayton makes in a year. Even the Giants just let the media hype Lincecum, but with little ads til he was under contract.

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

What does Kershaw's salary

have to do with it? Won’t they simply advertise what will put more butts in seats, such as what bhsportsguy suggests, fleece blanket giveaways?

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

it just seems to make more sense to base an ad campaign (which will cost a few million) around someone making a few million in an effort to recoup that salary. I mean maybe give Clayton the radio or newspaper ads but not TV or billboards

by Josie Becker on Oct 6, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with trying to market starting pitchers

is that they only start about 16 home games a year. Then you still have to market someone else for the other 65 home games.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Next year I think I will try to go to at least 10 Kershaw starts

My goal will be about 8 or so.

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by Ivdown on Oct 6, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming you make it to the bigs, which most people won’t so they’ll make between 10-30K.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that’s 400K a year in an industry where you can be fired for no reason, a billion people that want your job and gives you no skills for the future.

by regfairfield on Oct 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

and also with a very limited number of years to earn any money, relative to the rest of the world.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Next year's MLB minimum

(as well as the minor league minimum salaries as well) will depend on the CPI-W in November 2010 compared to November 2008.

As of right now, using 1982-1984 as 100, the CPI-W in November 2008 was 207.296. We don’t have November’s data yet, but the most recent number was 214.205 in August 2010, so…

214.205 / 207.296 = 1.0333, meaning the MLB minimum would increase to $400,000 × 1.0333 = $413,332, which rounded to the nearest $100 (per the CBA) would mean a minimum salary of $413,300 next year.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Draft notes

After the last CBA, teams got a compensation pick if they did not sign their first round picks. This year, the Diamondbacks, Padres and Brewers all did not sign their picks. So while the Dodgers have the 13th worst record, their pick goes up 3 for the compensation picks. However, the compensation picks do not affect the worst record order.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Michael, I recently had a dream that Bills was traded

too! I would worry that this is a sign of something pending but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Must more be a sign that we’re paranoid and that the Dodgers are bumming us out. :-)

Fortunately the dream wasn’t directly about that, other more interesting things happened so I didn’t wake up screaming.

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

other more interesting things happened so I didn’t wake up screaming.

bow-chicka-bow-wow

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately not THAT interesting

I’m kinda glad those two worlds didn’t collide in same dream

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

On field delay?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Pena and Maddon arguing that Pena was hit by pitch

that may or may not have grazed his sleeve. Ump said no.

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That the argument

was that ump called foul tip and Rays (and my eye on replay) said “no contact”.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I guess my Spanish knowledge not as good as I thought ;-)

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Spanish Vin says

that Pena said “fertilizantes”.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

They had a special on ballpark prunes today as part of ticket package

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they marketed this game

as the Early Bird Special

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Healthy foods.....taste sooooo goooood

HEALLLLLTHYYYYY FOOOOOOOODSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

/sesame street

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean the 15,000 rays fans or the 25,000 visitors fans.

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by G.Scott on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

visitors are Josh Hamilton groupies from his wild days with the Rays

by Pure Azure on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think trying to work a walk with Lee is the right move there Pena.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Do you see what happens

when you clog the bases with Rays?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Three singles, three strike outs.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

24 pitches

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by nolander on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are the Rays wearing plaid hats?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

That is

hideous.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still staring at it, trying to accept it

by Julio Nievas on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

After the Astros’ Rainbow Guts uniforms, nothing surprises me or displeases me. Sure, wear plaid, why not.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The dude

wearing that uniform was one scary pitcher.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

the special on him

was great. Sad though.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

i used to wear those

for little league

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about a houndstooth uniform?

Paisley anyone?

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think baseball should be played the way it was meant to be played:

in a coat and tie. Anything else is like playing in your drawers.

Damn kids, get off my lawn.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m all for managers wearing them, coaches too like in Connie Mack’s day. I don’t think Charlie Manuel or Joe Maddon in a player’s uniform adds anything to the game.

by Pure Azure on Oct 6, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The stirrups rock!

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Surprisingly

I liked the uni numbers on the pants leg

by Eric Stephen on Oct 6, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I’d designed it, I would have put the uni number inside the star.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Neither pitcher impressing much to start this game at all

even if Lee got out of his jam.

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Francoeur double scores Kinsler. 1-0 Texas.

by Alex41592 on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

i guess my iphone app is way behind

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by delias man on Oct 6, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

wasn't Baldelli

on the 08 Rays?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Cantu

did not move his man over.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

You mean

Cantu cannot.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Price just doesn't have what it takes to win the big game

Doesn’t have enough heart, sweats too much.

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by underdog on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

look in his eyes, see the fear

THE EYES I TELL YOU!!!!!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Price throwing a lot of pitches

Lee did in the first inning too. These two might not be around too long, though they are both work horses.

by Xeifrank on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

On Manny being a type A FA despite missing so much playing time over the last two years

Eddie Bajak commented on MLBTR (to a different question, but relevant here)

Up to 60 days of DL time is prorated.

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by David Young on Oct 6, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Up to 50 games suspended is prorated.

by Tripon on Oct 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda

I can see why Kuroda would not warrant compensation, but how does Uehara from the Orioles warrant compensation? Is it a contractual issue or misprint?

by dangerisland on Oct 6, 2010 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I would guess that

Kuroda, Uehara and Saito are all in the same situation.

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by David Young on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only difference is that, to my knowledge, Saito never had anything written into his contract to not offer him arbitration.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 8, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

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