2010 Arizona Fall League Preview
Since the start of the Arizona Fall League is almost upon us, I figured it’d be a good time to write a preview for the Phoenix Desert Dogs, which is the team the Dodgers prospects will be playing for. First of all, for those of you not very family with the AFL, here is a brief background. There are 6 teams in the AFL that play a 32 game schedule, and each team is comprised of prospects from 5 different organizations. Each organization is required to provide at least 6 players to the AFL, and per the MILB.com website, to be eligible the players much meet the following requirements:
· All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
· One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
· One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
· No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
· To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.
The other organizations that will be playing with the Dodger prospects are the Marlins, the A’s, the Braves, and the Yankees. The team will be managed by the Dodgers very own Don Mattingly, so hopefully he’ll show some favoritism to the guys in the Dodgers organization and get them a little more playing time. Also, I wanted to mention that there used to be the Hawaii Winter League which was the counterpart of the AFL for younger players, but that was shut down after the 2008 season. There was supposedly going to be a lesser version of the AFL starting up this year for those younger prospects that used to go to the Hawaii League, but apparently that isn’t happening yet to the extent that they keep stats.
The Dodger Pitching Prospects
Javy Guerra – Guerra missed quite a bit of time during the 2010 season due to injuries, so the AFL is the perfect place for Javy to make up for some lost time. Guerra threw just 27 innings with the Lookouts, but had solid ERA of 2.33 ERA. However, his WHIP was 1.70 due to his 22 walks, and his FIP was 4.24. Guerra is actually a veteran of the AFL as also played for the Peoria Javelinas after the 2009 season. With the Javelinas last year, Guerra only allowed 1 earned run in 10.2 innings and was selected to play in the Rising Stars Game, but he was also very wild back then as he walked 9 batters. Since he is on the 40 man roster, a strong showing could potentially give him a shot at the Dodgers 25 man roster in 2011.
Jon Link – Link was called up by the Dodgers 6 different times during the 2010 season, but was used sparingly to the tune of just 8.2 innings. In 60.2 innings in AAA, Link did very well considering his home park, posting a 3.71 ERA and a 3.55 FIP. At 26 years old, Link will be one of the older players on the Desert Dogs roster, and with a solid performance could solidify a permanent spot in the Dodgers 2011 bullpen.
Justin Miller – Justin Miller, who had made 53 starts from 2008 – 2009, was converted to a full time reliever in 2010 and found a great deal of success. Miller started the season in LoA, but was promoted to Chattanooga after recording a 1.30 ERA in 34.2 innings. Miller continued to thrive in AA as his ERA was just 2.76 in 42.1 innings. The one knock on Miller has always been his strikeout rate, which is a legitimate concern given that he averaged only 5.2 K’s per 9 over his career. However, Miller is a ground ball sinker pitcher, so pitching to contact is part of his game plan. Since he will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft this offseason, I have no doubt that the Dodgers will add Miller to their 40 man roster in November no matter how he performs in the AFL.
Scott Elbert – While he’s not officially on the roster right now, it has been reported that Elbert will play in the AFL this year. Given that Elbert hasn’t thrown a professional pitch since June, I think it’s a great idea for Elbert to get some more innings in this season, especially since he’ll be facing some solid competition. Since the Dodgers have so many question marks this offseason, it would be great if Elbert could have a good showing in the AFL to give the organization another option heading into 2011.
The Dodger Hitting Prospects
Matt Wallach – The AFL is the perfect place for Wallach to prove that he should be considered a legitimate prospect. Before the 2010 season, Wallach wasn’t really more than organizational depth even though he had good bloodlines and played solid defense. After a breakout season in 2010, however, Wallach showed glimpses of potential which demonstrated that he might have the ability to be one day be a backup catcher at the big league level.
Ivan De Jesus – Many were surprised when De Jesus didn’t get a big league call up in September, myself included. But the more I think about it, I guess it makes sense that the Dodgers decided to give him the month of September off since he is still recovering from a badly broken leg. Taking a month off, and then letting him get regular playing time against a solid competition is probably a better option than letting him sit on a major league bench of a losing team. In addition, I’ve heard from multiple sources that De Jesus does indeed have a poor attitude, so it might be a good idea for Mattingly to work with him in a more relaxed environment.
Jerry Sands – Not much more can be written about Jerry Sands. He had an amazing season in 2010, and has jumped to the top of many Dodger prospect lists. Since we all know he can hit, the biggest question heading into the AFL is if can learn to play 3rd base. It’s been rumored that he’ll spend some time at the hot corner, so it will be interesting to see if he actually gets to play there. Even if the experiment at 3rd base fails, Sands still has the ability to play multiple positions and will give the Dodgers quite a few options down the road. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sands ended up leading the AFL in homers.
Trayvon Robinson – Robinson participated in the Arizona Fall League last year, but only played in 12 games. After a solid 2010 season in AA, however, Robinson should see more playing time this fall with the Desert Dogs. Robinson’s regular season ended on a sour note as he missed the final week of the minor season due to an injury, and then did not get a big league call up despite being on the 40 man roster. Nevertheless, if Tray has a great showing in the AFL, he could give the Dodgers something to think about heading into the offseason as they scour the outfield free agent market.
Summary
Apparently the Dodgers decided not to include a younger player on their roster this season as all the Dodger prospects on the Desert Dogs were playing in AA or higher before August 1st. Nevertheless, this group should be fun to watch as the Dodgers have sent some of their top position players, along with a couple of solid relief pitchers. It will also be interesting to see how Elbert responds after sitting out for so long. Hopefully some of the Dodger players will get picked to play in the Rising Stars All Star game, which will probably be televised again this year by the MLB Network.
Players from Other Organizations to Watch
I usually don’t write about the prospects from other teams, but the AFL is a unique situation. From what I can tell, the Phoenix Desert Dogs don’t really feature any top pitching prospects, but there are a couple of big offensive to keep an eye on.
Michael Taylor was part of the 3 team deal that sent Roy Halladay to Philadelphia, but then was traded to Oakland for Brett Wallace. He was ranked as Phillies 3rd best prospect this offseason according to Baseball America, but seemed to lose his power stroke in 2010 as he hit just 6 homers in 464 at bats in the Pacific Coast League.
Grant Green, another Oakland prospect, was a 13th overall pick in the 2009 draft out of USC. The shortstop had an outstanding season in the California League in 2010, smacking 20 homers and hitting .318 for the season.
Freddy Freeman is a big 1st baseman in the Braves system, and will probably be up in Atlanta full time next season. While he struggled as a September call up this year, in 124 AAA games Freeman hit 18 homers with a .318 average and had an .898 OPS.
Kyle Skipworth was a major catching prospect coming out of high school, and was drafted by the Marlins in 2008 as the 6th overall pick. While he only hit .208 over his first two professional seasons, Skipworth improved in 2010 by posting a .245 average and smacking 17 home runs. At just 20 years old he is the youngest player on the team, so he has a bright future ahead of him.
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Is Brett Harper going to play in the AFL after all?
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you mean Bryce?
I heard he was not.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
things could change
but I also heard that Harper was not playing in the AFL
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
We are all so hungry for a power hitter
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Channelling my inner Canuck
BA does their league top 20’s a bit differently from their overall top 20’s. Since Sands didn’t spend a lot of time at AA, it’s possible the list favors players who had more time to make an impression.
Dustin Ackley Placing At #2 Invalidates...
The entire list all by itself.
by CanuckDodger on Oct 7, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
He did crush Southern League pitching…well as much as a guy with limited power can crush Southern League pitching.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
All you can really ask for. Plus he had a terrible start to the year which I can forgive since it was his first month as a pro and he started in AA.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm obviously not a guy who knows anything about prospects, so help me out here...
…why should we care at all about where BA ranks them?
All that matters is their actual production and what the Dodgers and their scouts think of them.
Those lists, I suppose, could be helpful in upping their stock with the Dodgers or with other teams. But as we’ve seen, the Dodgers have no compulsions about trading the prospects that they themselves call their minor leaguers of the year — guys you would think you would keep for yourself and not trade for, say, 17 2/3 innings of a mediocre reliever.
So, honest question, no snark intended: Why is this important at all?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Because it’s an outside view of our system from (hopefully) dispassionate people who do this for a living. A way for the prospect-geeks here to compare notes with an outsiders POV.
And then we complain about the rankings.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm definitely asking about Jansen
he should have been included for sure. they seem to put more emphasis on guys who were in the league longer
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Sands higher, but honestly, I'm just glad he's on the list
I do, however, think Trayvon should be higher than Withrow.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I wish they'd show some more AFL games on MLB network
but here’s hoping Sands and Tray make the Rising Stars game.
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New CA DL’s look cool
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better than
Maya Butreeks
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
or Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadue
(no offense meant to poster Joey Joe)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The daughter of a friend in Virginia had an elementary school classmate named Vagina.
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 7, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s the worst name I ever heard.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Has anyone read anything about Sands
talking about his move to third? just curious as to how he feels. Though I’m sure it’s, “If it gets me to the show quicker, I’m a third baseman.”
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Well, that was fun while it lasted
Rocco Baldelli now inactive for the ALDS; Willy Aybar activated, and in today’s lineup.
Baldelli is ineligible for the ALCS, should the Rays advance.
did he get hurt?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Rangers lineup
Andrus ss
Young 3b
Hamilton cf
Guerrero dh
Cruz rf
Kinsler 2b
Moreland 1b
Treanor c
Borbon lf
Wilson p
Rays lineup
Bartlett SS
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Zobrist 1B
Aybar DH
Shoppach C
S-Rod 2B
Jennings RF
Shields P
They won 94 games didn't they?
They have something going for them.
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They’ve got multiple guys who are terrible against lefties, so things like this happen.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Who would build a team like that
cough
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Well they were not stacked offensively
this year, they won because of a deep rotation and good bullpen.
3 Outfielders?
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=t_ros&cid=454
Roster shows only 3 outfielders? lol I’m sure a lot of the infielders can play outfield but that seems a bit low going into the season.
yeah that's the one thing that stood out to me also
Sands of course can play outfield, but you’d think they’d want at least another outfielder on the roster. There could be a couple of changes to the roster before the 1st game, or early in the season
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Good stuff, Brandon
BTW, am I allowed to criticize/blame Torre for this?:
Link was called up by the Dodgers 6 different times during the 2010 season, but was used sparingly to the tune of just 8.2 innings
What’s to criticize? In those instances the Dodgers needed a reliever. As Torre became more comfortable with Schlichting as the year ended, the need for Link disappeared.
I have no real problems with it.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked
that in the 54-game breakdown, Link ended up with 3 games in each third of the season. Kind of evenly spread out.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know; it seems if they need room, Lindsey and Oeltjen would be more likely removals.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
He has options. And he did put up pretty nice FIP in ABQ
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
If Jon Link wanted to pitch, Jon Link should have pitched better.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
What is it about past performance at the MLB level
that is not understood. Belisario was not a Dodger surprise, he was a baseball surprise last year, and he performed great in 2009. So he is going to get chances to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.
Why would past success be any kind of an indicator
of future success whatsoever? You crazy.
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The Sands position is indeed puzzling
only because it was BA who voted Jerry Sands the best left field prospect when building their prospect team. The infatuation with Gordon continues to baffle me. If Gordon ends up having a more productive major league career then Trayvon or Sands I’ll stop writing about minor league ball players just as Reg did when LaRoche failed him.
I just asked that question
in the BA chat for Southern League.
I will say this, right now, I think Sands will get more of a shot because they are trying to get him to move to 3B. Robinson is more tricky, unless he has a banner AFL year and can convince Mattingly that he is more than a 4th outfielder, I don’t see him getting a lot of playing time right now.
I’m not trying to compare the players, but wasn’t there discussion just the other day about how scouts always loved Hanley Ramirez even though his minor league numbers weren’t eye-popping? The scouts seem to love Gordon, lets just hope that he can do what they think he can do.
Yes
but Hanley didn’t weigh 150 pounds dripping wet. He was a manchild playing SS, not a bat boy playing SS.
That just speaks to the fact that they are different types of players. Obviously, Gordon is not going to hit 20+ HRs a season.
I myself can't wait until he does the major league 30/30/30
30 errors
30 stolen base
30 caught stealing
Him and Kemp in the same lineup could be legendary.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
As Kemp unnecessarily slides into 2nd (despite the throw going to 3rd) and he slides so far off the base that they double him up.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
ly awesome?
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When it happened, Vin would say
First time in major league history, and of course, it had to happen to the Dodgers.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have the back quote right
but I’m sure it has happened before. Easy throw to 3rd gets the first runner, the 2nd runner takes off late because he was thinking of London, then gets caught in a rundown. Happens all the time:)
Looking at Hanley’s minor league stats, you are completely right. He didn’t hit much in AA. The next year he is hitting the cover off the ball with the pro team.
But as Phil says, Gordon is a toothpick
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if Gordon is going to succeed or not, but I think his weight gets brought up too much. What will determine his succes is his ability to field SS and his ability to get on base and use his elite speed.
Really
you might want to back that up by showing how many major league player became full time players weighing as much as he does. The 162 season grind will waste that little body down to a nub.
Only one I can think of
is Freddie Patek, who is listed on Baseball-Reference as 148 pounds.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
And they didn’t play a 162 game season back then
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
no
I naturally assumed he was talking pre war until i clicked the link
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I clicked the link, but saw his birthdate and thought it was his debut date
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yikes
so neither of you had heard of Patek until you Eric posted this. Man those were awesome Royal teams.
I know there are people who get more into the history of the game, but he retired before I was born. So nope, never heard of him.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This could be another hot stove topic
but I love the history of the game, I read many books about it (the first book I recall reading was about the first 5 HOF) and I had a large (for an 9 year old) baseball history book from the beginnings to Brooks Robinson winning the 1970 World Series.
I wonder how that has changed over the years.
He was unique
I’m surprised he weighed as little as B Ref said because I always thought of him as fat fast freddie but I guess when you are 5’4 you can only carry so much weight.
Which he is bad at.
and use his elite speed
Which he is bad at.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That didn’t work out….
his ability to get on base
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
one he has to get on base which means he better have a BABIP over .300 since he does not walk, and two he’s getting thrown out regularly by AA catchers.
That and learning how to field a ball correctly.
His weight means he loses the option of hit a ton of home runs.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Obviously. If he improves his defense, OBP, and stolen base %, then he has a good shot.
He was never going to hit HRs so it shouldn’t even factor in.
He was being proclaimed as a strong gap hitter
so even if the home runs were never an option, a plethora of extra base hits were. You need a little strength to play this game. Some one mentioned Maury Wills, based on my reading, many Dodgers who played with Maury said he was the most ripped player on the team. Mighty Mouse strong. That ain’t Gordon.
the weight issue is more that it’s hard to find comps for someone that thin. Baseball season is such a grind that some are concerned that his frame will break down from the stress. It would def. be interesting to find the lightest successful baseball players ever.
Nice pull
hadn’t seen that.
After I saw Gordon in the Futures Game, I wondered what his "perfect world projection" could possibly be. I’ll tell you what: it’s explained somewhere in the players above. But while there are 10 seasons with 4.9 WAR or more, there are also 18 seasons with 1.9 WAR or below. The median strikes a balance at about 2.5 wins above replacement. This is how it is for skinny players — some good upside if you walk a lot (Butler, Raines), strike out a little (Johnson, Roberts), or play defense really well (Smith, Johnson). But if you don’t succeed in those areas, preferably more than one, performance potential slips fast.
Hopefully he becomes a SS wizard
and is able to use his speed like OB12 hopes. I just think of the prospects he has more to prove then any of them which is why I’m surprised he’s always ranked above them. JMO
So basically you’re saying he has to become the absolute best rail thin player ever to have success in the MLB… Well it’s possible.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really don’t have any idea what he will be able to do and he certainly has some areas to improve on. However, the scouts really like him, so hopefully that means something.
What, exactly, do the scouts say when they say they like him?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m bearish on him, and as scouts keep blowing him, he’s the one guy I would have tried to use in a trade. That ship has sailed though.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
In Keith Law's Prospect Report for 2010
Gordon was 39th and he said
“Two evaluators independently told me they think he’s Jimmy Rollins with less power. "
By ship has sailed, I meant from the Dodgers perspective. I would be trading to bring in more minor leaguers, not send them away.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to quantify
because the weight can be filtered on Baseball Ref but they seem to keep the same weight the player was originally weighed in as. Most players add some weight to their frame as they age.
I think they changed it at some point, since Miguel Cabrera isn’t listed at 170 any more.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Eckstein
is 175 and that might be generous. Yeah, I went there.
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Gordon could become the scrappiest
grittiest non white baseball player in the league.
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Jonthan Herrera of the Rockies is listed on B-R and MLB.com as 150 pounds, but of course he’s not a regular.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say there weren't players
but he’d be unique if he became a successful major league player just based on his weight. That is already the battle he faces, then he has to became a sweet fielding SS, someone who can steal bases more the 70% of the time, someone who can get on base at at least .330 clip. Those seem like huge hurdles.
That is true
but there is a reason the Dodgers have tried in vain to get weight on him. It really is hard to be a full time major league baseball player with that kind of weight. Everyone will lose weight during the year.
And he' not a 19 year old toothpick
he’ a 22 year old toothpick, soon to be 23 in April so he is what he is. A lite (meaning not as good) right handed Juan Pierre playing SS who still has to prove he can handle the defensive side of the game at the most demanding position on the diamond.
He will have to be Maury Wills II
for this to work out.
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I met him
or at least got him to sign a ball (that is somewhere in my car) in Arizona last spring, the guy is awfully thin.
Four in the top 20 in one of three leagues that represent the second highest level of minor league competition.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
What difference would it have made?
I didn’t realize pitching was inadequate in the 2nd half and they missed the playoffs by double digit games. Oh but sure, they’d get an extra draft pick for trading away 1 or a few of the top prospects. Score!
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
And not one of them ready to play in big leagues now
that is what keeps these deals from happening.
Gordon – project more than prospect
Withrow – see above
Robinson – nice but no one skill jumps out at you
Sands – could be a solid player but will need to prove it in the big leagues
Dioner Navarro = Brad Penny?
from Ryan Torello:
Maddon on Navarro’s decision to leave the team: “I’m surprised, and I’ll leave it at that.”
Brandon
your poll is tough, many our players have an interesting story.
1. Can Sands play 3rd?
2. Can Sands deliver the power we expect, he should destroy the AFL
3. Will Trayvon impress Mattingley, and the fans with how he plays CF?
4. Can DeJesus shake the tag of having a poor attitude? Seems like more and more sons of major leaguers get this tag. Intitlement?
Its kind of nice having Mattingly coach the team
he can get a good extended look at some of these guys.
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good idea
I decided to usher in the Mattingly era. I opened a pack of 2003 Topps Retired Tuesday night and pulled a Lasorda autograph and a Mattingly card from the same pack. I assume it was a sign. The Mattingly card now lives taped on the fridge.
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I voted Elbert. Probably putting good money after bad, but I always thought he was one of the most exciting Dodger pitching prospects not already on the team, maybe I should have looked at the WAL writing on the wall but I’m still hoping he can turn it around.
I’m also (probably foolishly) hopeful that Elbert can contribute somehting.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not ready to count him out
I still think he can contribute even if its only as a reliever.
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I also voted Elbert.
I doubt anyone else has the chance to seriously raise their stock, or see it drop all that much, in Arizona this fall.
Elbert could resuscitate his career or put the final nail in its coffin, depending on how things go.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the only think Elbert can do is increase his trade value
more then likely he tries to pitch, hurts his arm and really quits. Talk about hurdles, how many guys have quit after being demoted from the major leagues back to AAA and then ended up having a career who were already over the age of 24? Hate to be a historical nay sayer with Gordon and Elbert but that is all I have to go on.
I don't have any reason to disagree with that...
…just saying the story is almost certainly written on everyone else. Take Jerry Sands. No matter what he does — hits like gangbusters, has a good but not great showing, or goes oh-fer — his AFL performance is unlikely to affect how the Dodgers treat him in the spring.
For Elbert, this could matter a lot, and that makes him interesting to watch.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Elbert in the AFL
My expectations are extremely low.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree on Sands
Sands could show them he’s not the answer at 1st, 3rd, or LF, or he could show them they need to consider him when thinking of long term solutions for 1st, 3rd, or LF.
Elbert is old for this league, I don’t think any thing he does will matter, this is simply a way for him to shake the rust and prove to the Dodgers that he’s recommitted to his career. I hope for the best, would love to see him be considered for the 2011 bullpen because we need that kind of arm.
I hope for the best, would love to see him be considered for the 2011 bullpen because we need that kind of arm.
Anything above that and I’ll die of shock
by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The team literally has no starters under contract.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess it is possible, but I doubt they make a big decision on Sands based upon a couple dozen games in the AFL. I think the more likely scenario is if he does well at 3B, then he gets a longer look in 2011. If he doesn’t, then it probably will give them pause though he may still get another opportunity in 2011. I think they probably know he can handle LF at this point and possibly 1B.
RE: Sands
You are right in that if he fails it can speak volumes. If he crushes the ball, it will mean very little. He’s expected to rake just like Russ Mitchell did.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone expected Russell Mitchell to rake
his 2009 AFL was a big surprise. At least to me it was.
What I was saying is that Mitchell was not a prospect at all and he killed the AFL. It would be very sobering if Sands struggled.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
but Mitchell had a ton of experience, Sands really has very little professional experience. Having to learn 3rd base could screw him up.
Considering how many players made the A and AA lists.
And despite the poor seasons of several players on the lists. Maybe the farm system will finally be ranked below 20th this year.
Which is cool
because we know that both Jansen and Rubby would have made the top 20 if they had qualified.
This has to be shitty for Rangers/Rays fans. 2 playoff games, both right in the middle of the work day.
That was shitty for us last year too
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Yep
NLDS Game 1: 6:37pm start (Wed)
NLDS Game 2: 3:07pm (Thu)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Waitaminutewaitaminute
The Rangers and Rays have fans?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, people who don’t change favorite teams every few years
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Clink!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
the defending champion Phillies began their defense last year with 2 day games.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
For whatever reason, I never ask. If I had a chance to go to the game, I would do it, but to watch, I just used gamecast and TBLA.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I took one day off last year
to see Game 2 of the NLDS but I did not take a second day off to see Game 2 of the NLCS.
My boss
me going to playoff game – no problem
taking my 9mo. preg wife to doctor appt – no way
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i didn't rock the boat because i wanted to go to playoff games
but we will see what happens with #2.
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That is crazy
I’d find another job, what happens when you need to help with the kids, goto teacher conferences when the little delias is reigning terror upon his/her classmates?
Other jobs I have looked at, I will actually have to work. the grass is not always greener.
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Ha Ha
True, we’d miss you here. Look what happened to Ivdown when he got a job they expected production from.
WSJ did an analysis of a couple of baseball game broadcasts to see how much action there was in the game. They did a similar study of an NFL game last year. The results:
Action: 10.9% of the broadcast (compared to 9.4% for the NFL)
Standing around: 68.6% (NFL: 58.5%)
Replays: 7.5% (NFL: 14.5%)
They compared the time for commercials against the oldest available complete game archive (1952 WS game 6). Today: 42 minutes, 10 seconds. 1952: 9 minutes 44 seconds (for a World Series game!)
Here’s the link, but it requires a subscription:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703843804575534102219239786.html?mod=djemMTIPOFF_h
But baseball is so slowwwwwwwww
they don’t ever do anything! Commercial breaks in football when you are at the actual stadium are horrible. Something about seeing the players standing around on the field waiting to go just makes it so much worse.
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I heard a report on this on NPR yesterday. I expected they’d say that action in a baseball game was about 40-45 minutes. No! They said it had been timed at 14 minutes! For the whole game. That would be a but less than 10.9%, but not by much.
The same report said football had 11 min of action. You know the action-packed, hard-hitting, adrenaline filled game of football.
Yeah, I know. I have heard similar reports before and football usually comes out pretty low on the action scale.
You’re forgetting that 8% of a football game is dudes gettin’ messed up, versus 8% of a baseball game being Kevin Youkliss foulin’ one off.
by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
As a guy who likes basketball a lot, I’ll say game threads are very difficult in a flowing game like that.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
the ball is moving
I am not arguing that action = better sport. Actually, trying to argue against it, or that action is just a part of my enjoyment of a sport.
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Hockey doesn't seem to translate well to tv
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Define "action"
in baseball, can “action” be described as a ball in play?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, plus. They broadcast someone in the study who said specifically that for pitches that were not hit, but were called strike or ball by the umpire, they started the stopwatch when the ball left the pitcher’s hand and stopped it when it arrived in the catcher’s mitt. That, needless to say, is extremely short compared to all the time taken before the next pitch.
A teenager who was guaranteed $5.5 million two months ago, Dodgers prospect Zach Lee seemingly is hungry to earn that money.
“His work ethic is unbelievable,” Dodgers farm director DeJon Watson said of the team’s first-round draft pick from last June.
Lee, who had a football scholarship to LSU, “really gets after it in the workouts,” Watson said. “He’s at the front of everything we do.” Wednesday at the team’s training site in Arizona, Watson watched Lee throw two scoreless innings with a fastball that spanned 90-94, plus a good curveball and a pretty good changeup.
• The son of a former big leaguer is creating buzz at Dodgers instructional games and workouts.
“James Baldwin is a guy to keep your eye on,” Watson said of the 18-year-old drafted in the fourth round last June. “He’s a guy who’s going to pop up quickly.” Baldwin, whose father James was an All-Star pitcher 10 years ago for the White Sox, struck out in half of his rookie-league at-bats yet batted .274 with 17 stolen bases in 46 games. “He’s going to stay in center field,” Watson said, citing the 6-foot-3 athlete’s speed and instincts.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/07/eight-thoughts-mat-latos-workload-odowds-tall-order-oregon/
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions
Awesome update
I’m impressed Zach could reach 94 after focusing on football for so long, as well as having two other good pitches.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
That is good news.
Is Logan’s ass on the line with Lee? If he flames out or stalls in the minors, does White pay a price?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey hey
Molly Knight thinks he may or may not have been fired and may or may not have resigned!
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That may nor may not be a problem for Logan
Chances are probably close to 100% he won’t be with the Dodgers by the time Lee is major league ready. No scouting directors have that kind of tenure.
If and when Logan leaves
I’ll definitely welcome Tim Hallgreen’s promotion.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
hopefully those workouts involve weights
and eating. dude is small looking.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
lean muscle
is the way to go
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I thought he had a great looking frame. Muscle in the forearms even if he’s thin otherwise. Perfect build for a pitcher.
by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

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