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2010 Arizona Fall League Preview

Since the start of the Arizona Fall League is almost upon us, I figured it’d be a good time to write a preview for the Phoenix Desert Dogs, which is the team the Dodgers prospects will be playing for.  First of all, for those of you not very family with the AFL, here is a brief background.  There are 6 teams in the AFL that play a 32 game schedule, and each team is comprised of prospects from 5 different organizations.  Each organization is required to provide at least 6 players to the AFL, and per the MILB.com website, to be eligible the players much meet the following requirements:

·         All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.

·         One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.

·         One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.

·         No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.

·         To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

The other organizations that will be playing with the Dodger prospects are the Marlins, the A’s, the Braves, and the Yankees.  The team will be managed by the Dodgers very own Don Mattingly, so hopefully he’ll show some favoritism to the guys in the Dodgers organization and get them a little more playing time.  Also, I wanted to mention that there used to be the Hawaii Winter League which was the counterpart of the AFL for younger players, but that was shut down after the 2008 season.  There was supposedly going to be a lesser version of the AFL starting up this year for those younger prospects that used to go to the Hawaii League, but apparently that isn’t happening yet to the extent that they keep stats.

The Dodger Pitching Prospects

Javy Guerra Guerra missed quite a bit of time during the 2010 season due to injuries, so the AFL is the perfect place for Javy to make    up for some lost time.  Guerra threw just 27 innings with the Lookouts, but had solid ERA of 2.33 ERA.  However, his WHIP was 1.70 due to his 22 walks, and his FIP was 4.24.  Guerra is actually a veteran of the AFL as also played for the Peoria Javelinas after the 2009 season.  With the Javelinas last year, Guerra only allowed 1 earned run in 10.2 innings and was selected to play in the Rising Stars Game, but he was also very wild back then as he walked 9 batters.  Since he is on the 40 man roster, a strong showing could potentially give him a shot at the Dodgers 25 man roster in 2011.

Star-divide

Jon Link Link was called up by the Dodgers 6 different times during the 2010 season, but was used sparingly to the tune of just 8.2 innings.  In 60.2 innings in AAA, Link did very well considering his home park, posting a 3.71 ERA and a 3.55 FIP.  At 26 years old, Link will be one of the older players on the Desert Dogs roster, and with a solid performance could solidify a permanent spot in the Dodgers 2011 bullpen.

Justin Miller Justin Miller, who had made 53 starts from 2008 – 2009, was converted to a full time reliever in 2010 and found a great deal of success.  Miller started the season in LoA, but was promoted to Chattanooga after recording a 1.30 ERA in 34.2 innings.  Miller continued to thrive in AA as his ERA was just 2.76 in 42.1 innings.  The one knock on Miller has always been his strikeout rate, which is a legitimate concern given that he averaged only 5.2 K’s per 9 over his career.  However, Miller is a ground ball sinker pitcher, so pitching to contact is part of his game plan.  Since he will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft this offseason, I have no doubt that the Dodgers will add Miller to their 40 man roster in  November no matter how he performs in the AFL.

Scott Elbert – While he’s not officially on the roster right now, it has been reported that Elbert will play in the AFL this year.  Given that Elbert hasn’t thrown a professional pitch since June, I think it’s a great idea for Elbert to get some more innings in this season, especially since he’ll be facing some solid competition.  Since the Dodgers have so many question marks this offseason, it would be great if Elbert could have a good showing in the AFL to give the organization another option heading into 2011.

 

The Dodger Hitting Prospects                                                   

Matt WallachThe AFL is the perfect place for Wallach to prove that he should be considered a legitimate prospect.  Before the 2010 season, Wallach wasn’t really more than organizational depth even though he had good bloodlines and played solid defense.  After a breakout season in 2010, however, Wallach showed glimpses of potential which demonstrated that he might have the ability to be one day be a backup catcher at the big league level. 

Ivan De Jesus – Many were surprised when De Jesus didn’t get a big league call up in September, myself included.  But the more I think about it, I guess it makes sense that the Dodgers decided to give him the month of September off since he is still recovering from a badly broken leg.  Taking a month off, and then letting him get regular playing time against a solid competition is probably a better option than letting him sit on a major league bench of a losing team.  In addition, I’ve heard from multiple sources that De Jesus does indeed have a poor attitude, so it might be a good idea for Mattingly to work with him in a more relaxed environment.   

Jerry SandsNot much more can be written about Jerry Sands.  He had an amazing season in 2010, and has jumped to the top of many Dodger prospect lists.  Since we all know he can hit, the biggest question heading into the AFL is if can learn to play 3rd base.  It’s been rumored that he’ll spend some time at the hot corner, so it will be interesting to see if he actually gets to play there.  Even if the experiment at 3rd base fails, Sands still has the ability to play multiple positions and will give the Dodgers quite a few options down the road.  Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sands ended up leading the AFL in homers.

Trayvon RobinsonRobinson participated in the Arizona Fall League last year, but only played in 12 games.  After a solid 2010 season in AA, however, Robinson should see more playing time this fall with the Desert Dogs.  Robinson’s regular season ended on a sour note as he missed the final week of the minor season due to an injury, and then did not get a big league call up despite being on the 40 man roster.  Nevertheless, if Tray has a great showing in the AFL, he could give the Dodgers something to think about heading into the offseason as they scour the outfield free agent market.

 

Summary

Apparently the Dodgers decided not to include a younger player on their roster this season as all the Dodger prospects on the Desert Dogs were playing in AA or higher before August 1st.  Nevertheless, this group should be fun to watch as the Dodgers have sent some of their top position players, along with a couple of solid relief pitchers.  It will also be interesting to see how Elbert responds after sitting out for so long.  Hopefully some of the Dodger players will get picked to play in the Rising Stars All Star game, which will probably be televised again this year by the MLB Network.

 

Players from Other Organizations to Watch

I usually don’t write about the prospects from other teams, but the AFL is a unique situation.  From what I can tell, the Phoenix Desert Dogs don’t really feature any top pitching prospects, but there are a couple of big offensive to keep an eye on. 

Michael Taylor was part of the 3 team deal that sent Roy Halladay to Philadelphia, but then was traded to Oakland for Brett Wallace.  He was ranked as Phillies 3rd best prospect this offseason according to Baseball America, but seemed to lose his power stroke in 2010 as he hit just 6 homers in 464 at bats in the Pacific Coast League.

Grant Green, another Oakland prospect, was a 13th overall pick in the 2009 draft out of USC.  The shortstop had an outstanding season in the California League in 2010, smacking 20 homers and hitting .318 for the season.

Freddy Freeman is a big 1st baseman in the Braves system, and will probably be up in Atlanta full time next season.  While he struggled as a September call up this year, in 124 AAA games Freeman hit 18 homers with a .318 average and had an .898 OPS.

Kyle Skipworth was a major catching prospect coming out of high school, and was drafted by the Marlins in 2008 as the 6th overall pick.  While he only hit .208 over his first two professional seasons, Skipworth improved in 2010 by posting a .245 average and smacking 17 home runs.  At just 20 years old he is the youngest player on the team, so he has a bright future ahead of him.

Poll
Who is the most interesting Dodger Prospect to follow in the Arizona Fall League
Javy Guerra
6 votes
Jon Link
9 votes
Justin Miller
49 votes
Scott Elbert
36 votes
Matt Wallach
4 votes
Ivan De Jesus
19 votes
Jerry Sands
125 votes
Trayvon Robinson
28 votes

276 votes | Poll has closed

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Is Brett Harper going to play in the AFL after all?

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

you mean Bryce?

I heard he was not.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

oops

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

things could change

but I also heard that Harper was not playing in the AFL

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

BA's Southern League Top 20

6. Dee Gordon
11. Chris Withrow
13. Trayvon Robinson
20. Jerry Sands

by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

BA needs to stop underrating Sands. This probably a lot to due with draft position. Fuck it!!!

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It couldn’t possibly be Dodger fans overrating him, right?

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re right, we are overrating him.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s nice when everyone can agree so quickly.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are all so hungry for a power hitter

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s the Chattanooga One.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 7, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Channelling my inner Canuck

BA does their league top 20’s a bit differently from their overall top 20’s. Since Sands didn’t spend a lot of time at AA, it’s possible the list favors players who had more time to make an impression.

by kinbote on Oct 7, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He did crush Southern League pitching…well as much as a guy with limited power can crush Southern League pitching.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

He drew more walks than Ks, but I don’t see how that’s crushing anything.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

All you can really ask for. Plus he had a terrible start to the year which I can forgive since it was his first month as a pro and he started in AA.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm obviously not a guy who knows anything about prospects, so help me out here...

…why should we care at all about where BA ranks them?

All that matters is their actual production and what the Dodgers and their scouts think of them.

Those lists, I suppose, could be helpful in upping their stock with the Dodgers or with other teams. But as we’ve seen, the Dodgers have no compulsions about trading the prospects that they themselves call their minor leaguers of the year — guys you would think you would keep for yourself and not trade for, say, 17 2/3 innings of a mediocre reliever.

So, honest question, no snark intended: Why is this important at all?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because it’s an outside view of our system from (hopefully) dispassionate people who do this for a living. A way for the prospect-geeks here to compare notes with an outsiders POV.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

And then we complain about the rankings.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And they’re fucking nuts for not including Kenley Jansen. Best reliever in the Southern League.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm definitely asking about Jansen

he should have been included for sure. they seem to put more emphasis on guys who were in the league longer

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Sands higher, but honestly, I'm just glad he's on the list

I do, however, think Trayvon should be higher than Withrow.

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by Ivdown on Oct 7, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish they'd show some more AFL games on MLB network

but here’s hoping Sands and Tray make the Rising Stars game.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of MLB Network

Don Larsen will be interviewed in about 10 minutes, at 9:05

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

New CA DL’s look cool
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_16271991?source=rss_viewed

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

It would be really awful if your name was Ima Cardholder.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

better than

Maya Butreeks

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

or Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadue

(no offense meant to poster Joey Joe)

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

The daughter of a friend in Virginia had an elementary school classmate named Vagina.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 7, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s the worst name I ever heard.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 7, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was a news story a couple years ago about a baby whose name was pronounced Sh’Taid.

And spelled Sh*thead.

People don't think it be like this, but it do.

by MartinGreen on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I love that episode!

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by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has anyone read anything about Sands

talking about his move to third? just curious as to how he feels. Though I’m sure it’s, “If it gets me to the show quicker, I’m a third baseman.”

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, that was fun while it lasted

Rocco Baldelli now inactive for the ALDS; Willy Aybar activated, and in today’s lineup.

Baldelli is ineligible for the ALCS, should the Rays advance.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

did he get hurt?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 7, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have seen several bloggers on Twitter speculate that the switch was planned all along, that the Rays liked Rocco against Lee for some reason.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rangers lineup

Andrus ss
Young 3b
Hamilton cf
Guerrero dh
Cruz rf
Kinsler 2b
Moreland 1b
Treanor c
Borbon lf

Wilson p

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Rays lineup

Bartlett SS
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Zobrist 1B
Aybar DH
Shoppach C
S-Rod 2B
Jennings RF

Shields P

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s a really shitty lineup. Smoke and mirrors today or they’re done.

by Alex41592 on Oct 7, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why did I pick Tampa Bay again? I think because of Garza, who still hasn’t pitched.

by kinbote on Oct 7, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

They won 94 games didn't they?

They have something going for them.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’ve got multiple guys who are terrible against lefties, so things like this happen.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who would build a team like that

cough

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well they were not stacked offensively

this year, they won because of a deep rotation and good bullpen.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm one of the 3 votes for Trayvon

I think he could end up contributing before Sands.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

3 Outfielders?

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=t_ros&cid=454

Roster shows only 3 outfielders? lol I’m sure a lot of the infielders can play outfield but that seems a bit low going into the season.

by Dodgerblue8188 on Oct 7, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah that's the one thing that stood out to me also

Sands of course can play outfield, but you’d think they’d want at least another outfielder on the roster. There could be a couple of changes to the roster before the 1st game, or early in the season

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, Brandon

BTW, am I allowed to criticize/blame Torre for this?:

Link was called up by the Dodgers 6 different times during the 2010 season, but was used sparingly to the tune of just 8.2 innings

by kinbote on Oct 7, 2010 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

What’s to criticize? In those instances the Dodgers needed a reliever. As Torre became more comfortable with Schlichting as the year ended, the need for Link disappeared.

I have no real problems with it.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Link made a bad impression in that double header vs NYM and never got another real chance.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked

that in the 54-game breakdown, Link ended up with 3 games in each third of the season. Kind of evenly spread out.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know; it seems if they need room, Lindsey and Oeltjen would be more likely removals.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is not. Still has another option and has decent stuff.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has options. And he did put up pretty nice FIP in ABQ

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Jon Link wanted to pitch, Jon Link should have pitched better.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is it about past performance at the MLB level

that is not understood. Belisario was not a Dodger surprise, he was a baseball surprise last year, and he performed great in 2009. So he is going to get chances to show that last year wasn’t a fluke.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would past success be any kind of an indicator

of future success whatsoever? You crazy.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Sands position is indeed puzzling

only because it was BA who voted Jerry Sands the best left field prospect when building their prospect team. The infatuation with Gordon continues to baffle me. If Gordon ends up having a more productive major league career then Trayvon or Sands I’ll stop writing about minor league ball players just as Reg did when LaRoche failed him.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I just asked that question

in the BA chat for Southern League.

I will say this, right now, I think Sands will get more of a shot because they are trying to get him to move to 3B. Robinson is more tricky, unless he has a banner AFL year and can convince Mattingly that he is more than a 4th outfielder, I don’t see him getting a lot of playing time right now.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not trying to compare the players, but wasn’t there discussion just the other day about how scouts always loved Hanley Ramirez even though his minor league numbers weren’t eye-popping? The scouts seem to love Gordon, lets just hope that he can do what they think he can do.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

but Hanley didn’t weigh 150 pounds dripping wet. He was a manchild playing SS, not a bat boy playing SS.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That just speaks to the fact that they are different types of players. Obviously, Gordon is not going to hit 20+ HRs a season.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Him and Kemp in the same lineup could be legendary.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could be the first Dodger in years

to get caught stealing at 2nd / 3rd on the same play

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

As Kemp unnecessarily slides into 2nd (despite the throw going to 3rd) and he slides so far off the base that they double him up.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that is just ridiculous.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

ly awesome?

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

When it happened, Vin would say
First time in major league history, and of course, it had to happen to the Dodgers.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You have the back quote right

but I’m sure it has happened before. Easy throw to 3rd gets the first runner, the 2nd runner takes off late because he was thinking of London, then gets caught in a rundown. Happens all the time:)

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait, it’s been done before? lol

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 7, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at Hanley’s minor league stats, you are completely right. He didn’t hit much in AA. The next year he is hitting the cover off the ball with the pro team.

But as Phil says, Gordon is a toothpick

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if Gordon is going to succeed or not, but I think his weight gets brought up too much. What will determine his succes is his ability to field SS and his ability to get on base and use his elite speed.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really

you might want to back that up by showing how many major league player became full time players weighing as much as he does. The 162 season grind will waste that little body down to a nub.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And they didn’t play a 162 game season back then

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes they did

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking at the wrong year

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

I naturally assumed he was talking pre war until i clicked the link

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I clicked the link, but saw his birthdate and thought it was his debut date

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yikes

so neither of you had heard of Patek until you Eric posted this. Man those were awesome Royal teams.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know there are people who get more into the history of the game, but he retired before I was born. So nope, never heard of him.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This could be another hot stove topic

but I love the history of the game, I read many books about it (the first book I recall reading was about the first 5 HOF) and I had a large (for an 9 year old) baseball history book from the beginnings to Brooks Robinson winning the 1970 World Series.

I wonder how that has changed over the years.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember having debates with a friend when I was a kid about who was a better shortstop Freddie Patek or Larry Bowa.

by Xeifrank on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was unique

I’m surprised he weighed as little as B Ref said because I always thought of him as fat fast freddie but I guess when you are 5’4 you can only carry so much weight.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

you really believe eckstein is 175?

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which he is bad at.

and use his elite speed

Which he is bad at.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

That didn’t work out….

his ability to get on base

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

one he has to get on base which means he better have a BABIP over .300 since he does not walk, and two he’s getting thrown out regularly by AA catchers.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

So basically, it is those abilities that will determine his success. Not his weight.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

That and learning how to field a ball correctly.

His weight means he loses the option of hit a ton of home runs.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously. If he improves his defense, OBP, and stolen base %, then he has a good shot.

He was never going to hit HRs so it shouldn’t even factor in.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was being proclaimed as a strong gap hitter

so even if the home runs were never an option, a plethora of extra base hits were. You need a little strength to play this game. Some one mentioned Maury Wills, based on my reading, many Dodgers who played with Maury said he was the most ripped player on the team. Mighty Mouse strong. That ain’t Gordon.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of his age by the time he gets here.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

the weight issue is more that it’s hard to find comps for someone that thin. Baseball season is such a grind that some are concerned that his frame will break down from the stress. It would def. be interesting to find the lightest successful baseball players ever.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice pull

hadn’t seen that.

After I saw Gordon in the Futures Game, I wondered what his "perfect world projection" could possibly be. I’ll tell you what: it’s explained somewhere in the players above. But while there are 10 seasons with 4.9 WAR or more, there are also 18 seasons with 1.9 WAR or below. The median strikes a balance at about 2.5 wins above replacement. This is how it is for skinny players — some good upside if you walk a lot (Butler, Raines), strike out a little (Johnson, Roberts), or play defense really well (Smith, Johnson). But if you don’t succeed in those areas, preferably more than one, performance potential slips fast.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he becomes a SS wizard

and is able to use his speed like OB12 hopes. I just think of the prospects he has more to prove then any of them which is why I’m surprised he’s always ranked above them. JMO

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

So basically you’re saying he has to become the absolute best rail thin player ever to have success in the MLB… Well it’s possible.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really don’t have any idea what he will be able to do and he certainly has some areas to improve on. However, the scouts really like him, so hopefully that means something.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

What, exactly, do the scouts say when they say they like him?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m bearish on him, and as scouts keep blowing him, he’s the one guy I would have tried to use in a trade. That ship has sailed though.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

In Keith Law's Prospect Report for 2010

Gordon was 39th and he said
“Two evaluators independently told me they think he’s Jimmy Rollins with less power. "

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

By ship has sailed, I meant from the Dodgers perspective. I would be trading to bring in more minor leaguers, not send them away.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that even a good player?

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s an MVP

Poison kills 80 children in Uganda. Damn you, Brett Michaels! Damn you!

by G.Scott on Oct 7, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to quantify

because the weight can be filtered on Baseball Ref but they seem to keep the same weight the player was originally weighed in as. Most players add some weight to their frame as they age.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they changed it at some point, since Miguel Cabrera isn’t listed at 170 any more.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eckstein

is 175 and that might be generous. Yeah, I went there.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gordon could become the scrappiest

grittiest non white baseball player in the league.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Over Juan Pierre’s dead body

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jonthan Herrera of the Rockies is listed on B-R and MLB.com as 150 pounds, but of course he’s not a regular.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say there weren't players

but he’d be unique if he became a successful major league player just based on his weight. That is already the battle he faces, then he has to became a sweet fielding SS, someone who can steal bases more the 70% of the time, someone who can get on base at at least .330 clip. Those seem like huge hurdles.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I am just throwing out players.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is true

but there is a reason the Dodgers have tried in vain to get weight on him. It really is hard to be a full time major league baseball player with that kind of weight. Everyone will lose weight during the year.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And he' not a 19 year old toothpick

he’ a 22 year old toothpick, soon to be 23 in April so he is what he is. A lite (meaning not as good) right handed Juan Pierre playing SS who still has to prove he can handle the defensive side of the game at the most demanding position on the diamond.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

He will have to be Maury Wills II

for this to work out.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I met him

or at least got him to sign a ball (that is somewhere in my car) in Arizona last spring, the guy is awfully thin.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

4 in the top 20 and we still couldn’t trade for Cliff Lee?

by Tripon on Oct 7, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t or wouldn’t?

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Four in the top 20 in one of three leagues that represent the second highest level of minor league competition.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

What difference would it have made?

I didn’t realize pitching was inadequate in the 2nd half and they missed the playoffs by double digit games. Oh but sure, they’d get an extra draft pick for trading away 1 or a few of the top prospects. Score!

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

And not one of them ready to play in big leagues now

that is what keeps these deals from happening.

Gordon – project more than prospect
Withrow – see above
Robinson – nice but no one skill jumps out at you
Sands – could be a solid player but will need to prove it in the big leagues

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Robinson – nice but no one skill jumps out at you

Speed, patience, defense. He’s good in all three phases.

Sands – could be a solid player but will need to prove it in the big leagues

22-year-olds who put up that kind of power in AA are lot more than “solid.”

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dioner Navarro = Brad Penny?

from Ryan Torello:

Maddon on Navarro’s decision to leave the team: “I’m surprised, and I’ll leave it at that.”

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Definite non-tender.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon

your poll is tough, many our players have an interesting story.
1. Can Sands play 3rd?
2. Can Sands deliver the power we expect, he should destroy the AFL
3. Will Trayvon impress Mattingley, and the fans with how he plays CF?
4. Can DeJesus shake the tag of having a poor attitude? Seems like more and more sons of major leaguers get this tag. Intitlement?

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Its kind of nice having Mattingly coach the team

he can get a good extended look at some of these guys.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

good idea

I decided to usher in the Mattingly era. I opened a pack of 2003 Topps Retired Tuesday night and pulled a Lasorda autograph and a Mattingly card from the same pack. I assume it was a sign. The Mattingly card now lives taped on the fridge.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes, but it won’t necessarily be his defense that’ll impress most
4. Of course

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted Elbert. Probably putting good money after bad, but I always thought he was one of the most exciting Dodger pitching prospects not already on the team, maybe I should have looked at the WAL writing on the wall but I’m still hoping he can turn it around.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m also (probably foolishly) hopeful that Elbert can contribute somehting.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not ready to count him out

I still think he can contribute even if its only as a reliever.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

fool me twice… I won’t get fooled again.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fool me once, strike one.
Fool me twice…. strike three.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also voted Elbert.

I doubt anyone else has the chance to seriously raise their stock, or see it drop all that much, in Arizona this fall.

Elbert could resuscitate his career or put the final nail in its coffin, depending on how things go.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the only think Elbert can do is increase his trade value

more then likely he tries to pitch, hurts his arm and really quits. Talk about hurdles, how many guys have quit after being demoted from the major leagues back to AAA and then ended up having a career who were already over the age of 24? Hate to be a historical nay sayer with Gordon and Elbert but that is all I have to go on.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have any reason to disagree with that...

…just saying the story is almost certainly written on everyone else. Take Jerry Sands. No matter what he does — hits like gangbusters, has a good but not great showing, or goes oh-fer — his AFL performance is unlikely to affect how the Dodgers treat him in the spring.

For Elbert, this could matter a lot, and that makes him interesting to watch.

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Elbert too, just because his performance could swing his future from likely major league contributor to possible retirement. That is a huge range.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree on Sands

Sands could show them he’s not the answer at 1st, 3rd, or LF, or he could show them they need to consider him when thinking of long term solutions for 1st, 3rd, or LF.

Elbert is old for this league, I don’t think any thing he does will matter, this is simply a way for him to shake the rust and prove to the Dodgers that he’s recommitted to his career. I hope for the best, would love to see him be considered for the 2011 bullpen because we need that kind of arm.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope for the best, would love to see him be considered for the 2011 bullpen because we need that kind of arm.

Anything above that and I’ll die of shock

by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it is possible, but I doubt they make a big decision on Sands based upon a couple dozen games in the AFL. I think the more likely scenario is if he does well at 3B, then he gets a longer look in 2011. If he doesn’t, then it probably will give them pause though he may still get another opportunity in 2011. I think they probably know he can handle LF at this point and possibly 1B.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

RE: Sands

You are right in that if he fails it can speak volumes. If he crushes the ball, it will mean very little. He’s expected to rake just like Russ Mitchell did.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone expected Russell Mitchell to rake

his 2009 AFL was a big surprise. At least to me it was.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I was saying is that Mitchell was not a prospect at all and he killed the AFL. It would be very sobering if Sands struggled.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

but Mitchell had a ton of experience, Sands really has very little professional experience. Having to learn 3rd base could screw him up.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering how many players made the A and AA lists.

And despite the poor seasons of several players on the lists. Maybe the farm system will finally be ranked below 20th this year.

by Tripon on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Strictly following their rules

he did not spend enough time in AA (missed it by about 5 days)

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is cool

because we know that both Jansen and Rubby would have made the top 20 if they had qualified.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jansen did qualify. That’s the troubling part.

by silverwidow on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

This has to be shitty for Rangers/Rays fans. 2 playoff games, both right in the middle of the work day.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

That was shitty for us last year too

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was only game 2 I thought.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last year

the Phillies held this slot

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

NLDS Game 1: 6:37pm start (Wed)
NLDS Game 2: 3:07pm (Thu)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love

“working” from home

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

darn Angels

vs. Boston got the second late night start

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was both game 2’s

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Waitaminutewaitaminute

The Rangers and Rays have fans?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, people who don’t change favorite teams every few years

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clink!

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

the defending champion Phillies began their defense last year with 2 day games.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

For fifty years no one had a problem getting the day off to watch postseason baseball.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

For whatever reason, I never ask. If I had a chance to go to the game, I would do it, but to watch, I just used gamecast and TBLA.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I took one day off last year

to see Game 2 of the NLDS but I did not take a second day off to see Game 2 of the NLCS.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

My boss

me going to playoff game – no problem
taking my 9mo. preg wife to doctor appt – no way

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

depending on how many employees you have at work, you could have FMLA issues.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

i didn't rock the boat because i wanted to go to playoff games

but we will see what happens with #2.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is crazy

I’d find another job, what happens when you need to help with the kids, goto teacher conferences when the little delias is reigning terror upon his/her classmates?

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Other jobs I have looked at, I will actually have to work. the grass is not always greener.

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by delias man on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

True, we’d miss you here. Look what happened to Ivdown when he got a job they expected production from.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Generally

50 full-time workers for a private company. But always seek legal advice in this area.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

WSJ did an analysis of a couple of baseball game broadcasts to see how much action there was in the game. They did a similar study of an NFL game last year. The results:

Action: 10.9% of the broadcast (compared to 9.4% for the NFL)
Standing around: 68.6% (NFL: 58.5%)
Replays: 7.5% (NFL: 14.5%)

They compared the time for commercials against the oldest available complete game archive (1952 WS game 6). Today: 42 minutes, 10 seconds. 1952: 9 minutes 44 seconds (for a World Series game!)

Here’s the link, but it requires a subscription:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703843804575534102219239786.html?mod=djemMTIPOFF_h

by KellyStephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

But baseball is so slowwwwwwwww

they don’t ever do anything! Commercial breaks in football when you are at the actual stadium are horrible. Something about seeing the players standing around on the field waiting to go just makes it so much worse.

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heard a report on this on NPR yesterday. I expected they’d say that action in a baseball game was about 40-45 minutes. No! They said it had been timed at 14 minutes! For the whole game. That would be a but less than 10.9%, but not by much.

by berkowit28 on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The same report said football had 11 min of action. You know the action-packed, hard-hitting, adrenaline filled game of football.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re quoting the WSJ story.

by KellyStephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know. I have heard similar reports before and football usually comes out pretty low on the action scale.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re forgetting that 8% of a football game is dudes gettin’ messed up, versus 8% of a baseball game being Kevin Youkliss foulin’ one off.

by regfairfield on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that is appealing to some people.

by OB12 on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Always wondered

if people want action then why aren’t hockey and soccer more popular?

by Xeifrank on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a guy who likes basketball a lot, I’ll say game threads are very difficult in a flowing game like that.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it is

then all the fluff in baseball is action too

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

the ball is moving

I am not arguing that action = better sport. Actually, trying to argue against it, or that action is just a part of my enjoyment of a sport.

by Xeifrank on Oct 7, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being able to savor the moment is nice.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Oct 7, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soccer is already the most popular game in the world. And Hockey is the most popular in Canada.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Christianity, by far.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The

CIA estimates (open the “people” section that one-third of the world is Christian and 21% Muslim.

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by David Young on Oct 7, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot to say “eh”.

by KellyStephen on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, I guess I am thinking Americans. The fast/food society.

by Xeifrank on Oct 7, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hockey doesn't seem to translate well to tv

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Define "action"

in baseball, can “action” be described as a ball in play?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, plus. They broadcast someone in the study who said specifically that for pitches that were not hit, but were called strike or ball by the umpire, they started the stopwatch when the ball left the pitcher’s hand and stopped it when it arrived in the catcher’s mitt. That, needless to say, is extremely short compared to all the time taken before the next pitch.

by berkowit28 on Oct 7, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

A teenager who was guaranteed $5.5 million two months ago, Dodgers prospect Zach Lee seemingly is hungry to earn that money.

“His work ethic is unbelievable,” Dodgers farm director DeJon Watson said of the team’s first-round draft pick from last June.

Lee, who had a football scholarship to LSU, “really gets after it in the workouts,” Watson said. “He’s at the front of everything we do.” Wednesday at the team’s training site in Arizona, Watson watched Lee throw two scoreless innings with a fastball that spanned 90-94, plus a good curveball and a pretty good changeup.

• The son of a former big leaguer is creating buzz at Dodgers instructional games and workouts.

“James Baldwin is a guy to keep your eye on,” Watson said of the 18-year-old drafted in the fourth round last June. “He’s a guy who’s going to pop up quickly.” Baldwin, whose father James was an All-Star pitcher 10 years ago for the White Sox, struck out in half of his rookie-league at-bats yet batted .274 with 17 stolen bases in 46 games. “He’s going to stay in center field,” Watson said, citing the 6-foot-3 athlete’s speed and instincts.

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/07/eight-thoughts-mat-latos-workload-odowds-tall-order-oregon/

by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome update

I’m impressed Zach could reach 94 after focusing on football for so long, as well as having two other good pitches.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 7, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is good news.

Is Logan’s ass on the line with Lee? If he flames out or stalls in the minors, does White pay a price?

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by Humma Kavula on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

If White gets fired this off season, then he won’t have to worry.

by Tripon on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey hey

Molly Knight thinks he may or may not have been fired and may or may not have resigned!

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

That may nor may not be a problem for Logan

Chances are probably close to 100% he won’t be with the Dodgers by the time Lee is major league ready. No scouting directors have that kind of tenure.

by meercatjohn on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s one way, but it involves Ned Colletti being fired.

by Tripon on Oct 7, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

lean muscle

is the way to go

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by nolander on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he had a great looking frame. Muscle in the forearms even if he’s thin otherwise. Perfect build for a pitcher.

by Michael White on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers in Barcelona

is on ESPN3.com if anyone cares.

by LA Taco on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

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