Dodgers 2011 #14 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 10, 2010 9:05 AM PST
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PrintWith a few last second votes in both regulation and a switched vote in overtime, Ivan De Jesus was finally able to win the #12 TBLA prospect vote. He barely beat out Jonathan Garcia, 20 votes to 19. De Jesus and Garcia are very different prospects, which is why the vote was so divided. Since the vote was so close last round, and because nobody else got a significant amount of support, I’m going to award the #13 prospect spot to Garcia so we don’t have to waste a round of voting. Refer to the left sidebar of the website for the TBLA ranking thus far.
Since we are getting pretty close to the end of our top 20 voting, I’m going to add a few names to the mix. The players who were recommended were Josh Lindblom, Javier Solano, Jon Link, and Travis Schlichting, so that is who I am adding this time. There are still a few more guys who I will probably add before we get to the final couple of rounds. But for now, we actually have 14 candidates for round #14. With just 7 votes remaining, it seems like there are going to be some pretty good names left out of the TBLA top 20.
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As always, use this thread to talk about the voting and other things, and only use the other Fanpost to submit your votes.
The round 14 candidates (ages as of 2011 opening day):
Scott Elbert (25.5 years old) LHP – Battled personal problems and injuries in 2010, but the lefty is still just 25 and has nasty stuff when he is able to get it over the plate. According to a recent interview, it sounds like he will be strictly a reliever in the future.
Kyle Russell (24.75 years old) OF – Best known for his plus power and his strikeout totals, most prospect hounds either love him or hate him. Russell dominated the California League before getting promoted to AA where he struggled initially before hitting a hot streak over the final month of the season. Kyle is also a solid defender with a very good arm in right field.
Nathan Eovaldi (21 years old) RHP – Throws gas, but has never recorded particularly high strikeout numbers. According to Charlie Hough, the low strikeout totals are due his poor command. Had a mediocre season in 2010, and was limited due to a mid season oblique strain. He is still being groomed as a starter, although it has been rumored that consistency with his breaking pitches will determine his future role.
Brian Cavazos–Galvez (23 years old) OF – After an outstanding 2009 season, BCG got off to an extremely slow start with the Great Lakes Loons. By the time 2010 season was over, however, Cavazos-Galvez had put together one of the best all around seasons of any Dodger minor leaguer. He hit .318, smacked 18 homers, stole 43 bases, and drove in 77 runs. The negatives about BCG are that he was a little bit old for LoA, and that he isn’t a very strong outfield defender.
Matt Magill (21 years old) RHP – Magill surprised a lot of people with his great 2010 season, and even led the minor leagues with a .194 opponents’ batting average. Also had a 3.28 ERA, a 1.10 WHIP, and had 9.6 strikeouts per 9 innings as a 20 year old. Some scouts describe his stuff as fringy, although throws in the low 90’s and has a slider that was too much for the Midwest League hitters.
Ralston Cash (19.5 years old) RHP – 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft had a solid debut in the Arizona Rookie League. His fastball hits 94 but sits in the lower 90’s with some movement, and he has two other potentially above average pitches (curveball and changeup).
Joc Pederson (18.75 years old) OF – The Dodgers went way over slot to sign their 11th round pick in the 2010 draft because they loved his athleticism. While he has 5 tool potential, none of the 5 tools have a particularly high ceiling. He only had 12 plate appearances for the Arizona Dodgers.
James Baldwin (19.5 years old) OF – The son of the former major league pitcher, Baldwin is an exciting young player due to his speed and athleticism. He initially struggled in his professional debut, but then made adjustments and was very good for the final month of the 2010 season. He is still very raw, but some scouts believe he has the potential to one day become a 5 tool prospect.
Jake Lemmerman (21 years old) SS – After a monster season with the Raptors this past year, Lemmerman was named as the Pioneer League MVP. In 259 at bats, Late Night had a .363 average, a 1.044 OPS, 12 homers, and 47 RBI’s. He also did all this while playing the premium position of shortstop, and coming out of college he was described as a solid defender at the position.
Leon Landry (21 years old) OF – The Dodgers 3rd round pick in the 2010 draft, Landry had a great professional debut with a .349 average and a .909 OPS. He drew comparisons to Andres Torres from the Ogden Raptors radio announcer, who also described him as a gap hitter. However, Baseball America says he could top out with a .280 and 15 homers per year. He covers a lot of ground in the outfield, although he has a below average arm.
Javier Solano (21 years old) RHP – Solano came out of nowhere in 2010 with an outstanding season. He played both in HiA and AA, and was the youngest player on both of those teams, yet had a combined ERA under 3, a WHIP of 1.10, stuck out over 10 batters per 9 innings. Solano has a low 90’s fastball, a cutter, a curve, and a changeup, but the downside is that he is barely 6 feet tall.
Jon Link (27 years old) RHP – Link was called up by the Dodgers 6 different times during the 2010 season, but was used sparingly to the tune of just 8.2 innings. In 60.2 innings in AAA, Link did very well considering his home park, posting a 3.71 ERA and a 3.55 FIP. He seems to be a viable option for the Dodgers 2011 bullpen, and while his ceiling isn’t very high, he could be a solid arm for this organization.
Travis Schlichting (26.25 years old) RHP – The converted infielder had a unique season in 2010 because he performed better in the big leagues than he did in the minors. In 47.1 AAA innings, Schlichting had a 4.75 ERA and a .294 batting average against, but in his 22.2 innings with the Dodgers he had a 3.57 ERA and a .233 batting average against. While Schlichting has never had a high strikeout rate, his composure in the Dodgers bullpen over the past two seasons demonstrates to me that he can be a valuable option out of the Dodgers bullpen for years to come.
Josh Lindblom (23.75 years old) RHP – Lindblom has been moved back and forth between starter and reliever throughout his minor league career, which produced negative results in 2010. Going forward, he will be strictly a reliever, which is definitely the best role for him. While his velocity was lower last season, he generally sits in the low to mid 90’s out of the bullpen, and also has a hard curveball. Finally, while he’s been in big league camp for the last couple of seasons, the one thing to remember about Lindblom is that he is still just 23 years old.
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Before any votes
give me a few minutes to post a fan post on Kyle Russell and why he deserves this vote. Or not
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Damn it. I initially typed Russell but then I backed out and put in Elbert. I should’ve given you the chance to seal it for me.
Yes, I can remove
Refresh, then once you see you are gone, re – vote.
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Ha Ha
Anyone has the right to re-vote in these things. Why should they get penalized for voting early instead of waiting for the arguments of this thread on who or why. I’d actually let this run for two hours with people getting in any comments they want to make then open up the voting since we are not at the stage where everyone has one prospect they would like to tout. Matthew loves MaGill but he’s not making much of an argument for him.
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I voted Elbert but considered Eovaldi, Magill, Lemmerman, & Russell. Someone mentioned looking for a Sandsian darkhorse down here; Lemmerman looks like about as good a bet as any.
If Elbert was still in the rotation
and still throwing like he did in 2009 he’d get my vote. However now he’s in the bullpen, the scouting reports were not kind, and we know he had some arm problems last summer. To many flags for me. I’ll still hope for Billy Wagner but the reality is probably Bill Bray.
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He’s the chicken sandwich on the menu to me. I’ve looked at everything else and nothing really jumps out. Might as well go with something familiar.
Who's the McRib on that list?
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Dee Gordon is the McRib
Tasty, sure, but lacking nutritional value, and you’ll regret it down teh line.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Gordon's mcribs are sticking out
but of the ones we’re voting on today maybe BCG is the McRib. It seems appealing from a distance but when you get a closer look at age and makeup, it seems doomed to make you regret it.
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We could do this all day
Joc Pedersen is a burger at The Counter. Certainly good, but very likely overpriced.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
The Big N Tasty
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
We all hope that Sands and Rubby aren't Korean BBQ --
Flash in the pan.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Prospects
flambé?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit!
Now I want a McRib!
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 10, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Mechanically Separated Pork, here you come?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno about
dark, but I have heard that Late Night is a horse down there.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
NFPOTS
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/10/1805723/kyle-russell-is-on-the-cusp-of-greatness
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That was an interesting defense of Kyle Russell.
I would like to see an argument for Late Night. He is the other interesting name on the list — a power-hitting shortstop? Yes please. Somebody convince me on Lemmerman.
LIke kinbote (I think it was kinbote), the fallback vote will be Elbert. He is closest to the majors and has the highest chance of reaching his ceiling — that counts for a lot with me — but though I happily voted for Kenley Jansen #1, that was Kenley Jansen. Elbert is different, in that his performance is not giving me a reason to vote for him. If I end up voting for Elbert, it will be as much a vote against everybody else as it will be a vote for hi.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Problem with Late Night is that the recent comp
who jumps out at me is Jamie Pedroza who also tore Ogden up, as a 20 year old SS, who eventually moved to 2nd and never came close to showing the same offensive potential again. If Late Night can do his stuff at Great Lake then he will jump up this list quickly but I’m not sold on college draftee’s tearing up Ogden until I see what they do at the next level.
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Yeah. Lemmerman falls neatly into my Call Me When You Hit AA rule.
The fact that Russell played at AA might make him a more deserving vote.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Great comparison
But Late Night had better numbers, but I get you. Wake me up when he’s Sands-like in A ball…
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Then he'd become our number one prospect
because Sands like from a 21 year old SS at Great Lakes would be incredible stuff.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I guess you’re right. Sands is a big guy, Lemmerman looks average. Wake me up if his OPS is .850+ an above after 50 games…
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Right.
As much as I prefer guys who have been to AA, I would make an exception for Late Night if he has a year that looks anything like Sands’ at Great Lakes.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
And from a shortstop! Yes
I will take that, too.
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Damn
Jaime Pedroza is only 5-8? How did he hit 15 home runs in AA last season??
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
He swings hard like the dude from Boston
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Nathan Hale
(yes, I know that happened in Manhattan, but cut me some slack here.)
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
He only had 7 homers in AA last year
15 homers in LoA the year before against much younger competition
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 10, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Montero, Hughes, Gardner
do you make that deal?
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Isn’t he a catcher? Don’t we need one of those?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
I probably don’t do this deal, but I might be wrong. Those are three very, very good talents in exchange for one very, very great talent.
The reason to hold Kershaw is obvious: you can never deal that kind of talent. You build around that kind of talent.
Still, if you’re bearish on the Dodgers, you gotta love what Montero, Hughes, and Gardner could do.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I’d consider it if I felt stronger about Gardner. He’d be our left-fielder but is he that good? I don’t see why the Yankees would do this considering they can just throw cash at C. Lee.
Brett Gardner is like Scott Podesednik if Scott Podsednik was good at all the things he was supposed to be good at.
I guess he’s more like Brett Butler.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure the Yankees would do that deal, for one simple reason: Posada might not be done, but he’s getting there, certainly when it comes to his role behind the dish. There is probably not an elite catcher that the Yankees can get via free agency. If they’re gonna take their lumps at the position, I think they take their lumps with the homegrown talent who might be great and avoid all lump-taking altogether.
Without Montero, the whole deal falls apart for me.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
They have Austin Romine
Who they think will be a better catcher than Montero, from what I’m reading through Yankee fans… As a hitter? Obviously Montero.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
If the Yankees would deal Montero, the Dodgers would have to think hard about that deal. Kershaw is not available, but that deal is pretty much the overwhelming deal that it would take to make somebody available.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I have trouble believing the Yankees would do it. Which is fine. I’ll keep Kershaw.
Of course, bear in mind that the last time I said anything like that, I said, nah, I don’t want Cano for Kemp.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Do you think the Cardinals will trade Colby Rasmus for James Loney and Russell Martin?
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
When I see rumors that the Dodgers are interested in signing Varitek, it just pisses me off.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Meaning it is hard to find
a catcher who bats LH. You would really have a problem with Varitek/Ellis or Varitek/Barajas over just Martin playing full time?
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Let me clarify: I can understand that Montero is an ELITE prospect. But the belief that Kershaw is somehow available is ridiculous.
Where are you seeing these ludicrous notions? In MLBTR comments?
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I know, was just curious where Yankee fans were posting that...
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Joel Sherman believes the New York Yankees would call upon several franchises to check in and see if their starting pitchers are available on the trade market. Some of those names include Adam Wainwright of the St. Louis Cardinals, Josh Johnson of the Florida Marlins, Clayton Kershaw of the Los Angeles Dodgers and John Danks of the Chicago White Sox. While the Tampa Bay Rays are looking to cut salary this offseason, don’t look for them to trade James Shields or Matt Garza to their division rivals in the Bronx.
Oh jeez
Joel Sherman is worse than Yankee fans posting comments.
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He’s a good reporter, the question is if he really believes that anyone of those teams will bite, my guess is no.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 10, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I just tweeted Joel Sherman
to ask him (politely) why he included Kershaw on his yankee ask list. I told him Kershaw is untouchable. I’m sure he’ll write back to me right away.
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The thing is, to the Yankees
everyone is touchable. I mean, they’re the Yankees. What they want. They usually get.
Except Kershaw. He’s all ours! :)
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by drulenarendes on Nov 10, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I would not trade Kershaw for anything.
It’s ludicrous that there are rumors that he might be had. He is not going anywhere.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 10, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I voted K (heh) Russell because I want to see his power
develop in the MLs if he just cuts down on those damn whiffings.
In case anyone cares my next votes would probably be for Cash, Lemmerman and BCG.
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I voted Elbert
He’s a lefty who throws hard, so he’ll be given every chance in the world to at least be a loogy. I think he will have a major league career, even if it’s not with us. Yeah the upside is probably limited at this point, but he’s going to be under 5-10 guys that will never make it by the time he gets voted in, while I think he’ll eventually turn in some quality lefty relief work for somebody for a few seasons.
Elbert is probably just a good ST away from getting a bullpen spot, and really he could be a damn fine LOOGY if he can harness his control. In that sense Elbert still has some value.
I hate LOOGYs. Elbert can still be a solid late-inning arm. It appears he just needs to get his head on straight.
Oh I can still dream of Elbert shutting down the 8th while Jansen nails down the 9th next year, I’m just saying lefties who throw hard will be given every chance in the world to have at least some sort of career, which is a lot more than about half the guys ahead of him will be able to say.
Christina Kahrl chimes in on Ted Lilly
on Baseball Prospectus. An excerpt:
Basically, he’s a strikeout/fly-out control fiend in a park that doesn’t punish these things. While signing him through his age-37 season for eight figures per annum might seem like a big risk, especially to those in a rush to diagnose the beginning of the end for him every other month, letting Lilly reach the market strikes me as the potentially even larger risk. The reason? The inevitable losers on Lee will inevitably start looking around for alternatives, and if they were willing to sign the best for $20 million or more, getting in on the next-best thing for half of that starts to look fairly reasonable.
Nice post
but maybe it would have been okay for those other teams to get in on Lilly.
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I think he would have gotten a lot more on the open market than what the Dodgers gave him. Starting pitching is so scarce this offseason that someone was likely to overpay for him.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 10, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree on the flyouts not being punished at Dodger Stadium, but agree with the idea that getting Lilly is something we had to do.
Only thing that scares me is that it’s the exact same thought process that lead to signing Odalis.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I'm scared
because it seems that every Dodger who has been acquired via trade after mid season, who has a good Aug/Sept, is signed, usually disappoints.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Just off the top of my head
Belliard, Manny, Magic Man Anderson, Jose Cruz, The Other Perez, Proctor, Sherrill
Granted most of them were spare parts other then the other Perez and Manny, but they both got multi year deals and by the 2nd year we wished it had never happened. Probably silly on my part, Lilly is good, will continue to be good, and signing him has nothing to do with the mistakes of the past.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I know there has to be an exception to this, but I can’t think of one.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
how soon we forget loaiza
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 10, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Because
he sucked after we traded for him so he does not meet the criteria of ever having been a success
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
They weren’t signed after they were acquired via trade.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I replied to the wrong one. Reg said he thought there were exceptions.
Those two would match the “decent with the team then not re-signed” criteria.
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But I think the exception he’s looking for is “decent w/ team, re-signed, still decent”, like Blake, as Eric suggested.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I thought we were looking at a list of guys who we traded for at the deadline, played well for us for two months, got re-signed, then we regretted the deal.
Another exception: Steve Finley.
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We didn’t re-sign Steve Finley, so he’s not part of the list to be an exception.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Well now I’m thoroughly confused.
I guess the exception would be someone we didn’t re-sign who we also didn’t later regret signing.
Ok, I was thinking of players we traded for, who played well, who we then didn’t re-sign.
Get this though. If we re-sign Steve Finley for the 2005-2007 seasons let’s say, he’d have blocked Kemp, who would have been forced to come up as a RF anyway, Ethier comes in as a LF as he did, and we never sign Juan Pierre. We still probably sign Andruw Jones.
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No
Phil’s point was that among the players we (a) traded for midseason, and (b) re-signed in the offseason, they have all been disappointments after we re-signed them.
The exceptions would be ones whom we re-signed, but weren’t disappointments.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
yes
so “… re-signed and didn’t regret the deal” would be an exception also.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
You just wanted to spell that
In his last three years, OPS+ of 88, 89, 81, for $12M.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
In his 4 full years in LA after the trade, Grudz had between 6.7 (Baseball-Reference) and 9.0 WAR (Fangraphs)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
More than half of it (b-r)
in the first year though.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
The first Dodger Mad Dog
Bill Madlock.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Enos Cabell would fall into the disappointment category though.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not to his dealer.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Loved that guy. 100% from memory I’m remembering a year in which he led the Dodgers in RBI with 60. Could this be true?
73-win team. Most starts by postion:
Scioscia, Brock, Sax, Madlock, Duncan, Stubbs, Reggie Williams, General Soreness
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
What a weird time
1985 squad was probably the best Dodger team in between the 1977-1978 crew and last year. They won 95 games in 1985, then followed up with back-to-back 73-win campaigns.
Then, boom. 1988 happens.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
‘86 was, of course, the no-Guerrero year. ’87 was no offense except Guerrero. ’88 was dump Guerrero (for Tudor, who wasn’t re-signed).
I blame Sax for ’86; he should have had the good sense to have his ridiculous batting year when Guerrero was around to drive him in!
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I remember it all too well.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Only one
of those eight had a sub 100 OPS+, Duncan at 68 (!). But Sax was the only one above 110, at 137.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Ha!
Here are the RBI totals for that team:
Madlock—60
Stubbs—58
Sax—56
Marshall—53
Brock—52
That is truly craptastic.
Sax
had a .390 OBP in 704 PA (presumably all leading off) and only scored 91 runs.
Stubbs 465 PA was second on the team. Tommy was really juggling that lineup.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
2010 post ASB
Dodgers played 74 games. Here are their RBI leaders, with RBI projected to 162 games:
Kemp: 38 (83)
Blake: 28 (61)
Either: 28 (61)
Loney: 25 (54)
Gibbons 17 (37)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
This just in
The Dodger offense was really lousy in the second half last year.
We now repeat our top story tonight…
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Madlock in the rarefied air of the four-time batting champion club.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
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GM makes two billion
Ford is dominating
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GM and Ford
have done a great job of revitalizing their cars
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Those of you voting for Ralston Cash over Matt MaGill
could you give us any reason? MaGill was kind of awesome at 20
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=magill001mat
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I’m against anyone who’s stuff is described as “fringy”.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Ralston Cash, a Georgia signee, has overcome adversity in his life. His mother died in a car crash in 1995, when he was just 3, and he had his own car wreck in 2008. He’s recovered to have some of the best velocity in the state, with a fastball that sits in the low 90s and has touched 94 mph. He also has a pro body at 6-foot-3, 200 pounds. Cash’s secondary stuff strikes scouts as fringy.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
classic second round projectability pick…
Aren’t those usually reserved for the 8-12 rounds? Second round you really should be able to get someone of substance in most drafts. Maybe last year wasn’t “most drafts”.
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His name is Ralston Cash
As in, Cash money, hoes!@ What else does Logan have to explain here
isn't it obvious?
cash was a #2 round pick and Magill was a 31st round pick. We are all about what round people are selected in
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 10, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure if you were being sarcastic
but if you’re going by draft position, why isn’t Blake Smith on this list to get a vote here? He should still be considered for at least top 20.
if you’re going to include Smith, then i don’t see how you can leave out Songco, who barring a season-ending slump was as productive as Smith (with fewer strikeouts) while being a year younger
i was being sarcastic for the most part
but yeah smith and Sonco are definite options, as are quite a few other guys. But i already have 14 in the list right now and didn’t want it to get out of hand. We could really go at least 30 deep this year with players who are actually decent prospects, i just felt people would lose interest after 20.
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 10, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
It's true, after 20 it's overkill
though I was wondering about Smith and Songo as well. They may have more upside than some of the other guys we’re including at this point, but it’s really all a crapshoot when you’re at this point on the list. I like those guys but realize they have some question marks that make people dubious.
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I'm debating
between Eovaldi and Magill.
Eovaldi because of the potential in his fastball. Always seems like a sleeper who could bust out. Maybe he can catch that lightning in a bullpen bottle.
Magill – Excellent stats, one of the best pitchers in his league and young. He has been solid and steady as he has moved up leagues in each of his pro years. Scouts think his he is getting by with an advanced slider. That said, there are still plenty of guys in MLB that can’t hit a slider so I guess his key will be better command of his fastball if it is fringy.
I wrenched something in my upper back/lower neck area last night.
I’m a hurting unit today. :(
Nothing is ever easy.
Go see a doctor. They can give you something for the pain. I pulled my back last year while sneezing in a chair watching Kershaw throw 5 innings against Hammel and the Rockies in a day game.
Not a good feeling at all.
I plan on going if it’s not better by tomorrow. I’ve been taking ibuprofen but it’s not helping.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 10, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
That is awful.
My suggestion: Start taking Coral Calcium. Very good natural remedy for aches and pains.
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Padres GM Hoyer said he tried to keep top exec Paul DePodesta but knew from the start DePodesta couldn’t refuse the Mets new GM, the legendary Sandy Alderson, a longtime friend. DePodesta, the Mets’ new VP of Player Development and Scouting, reached an agreement to remain living in San Diego and is thought to be receiving a salary of close to $1 million a year from the Mets
Phil is now enraged.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing I got my state funded education while it was still state funded
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Great
I’m trying to go back to school in the spring or the fall. This blows.
by Mike Dennis on Nov 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
This is certainly our most fragmented vote to date.
Through megaballs’ vote in the vote thread, there have been votes for TEN different candidates. The leader is Russell, with seven, followed by Elbert with four and Cash with three. There have been 24 votes in total.
It may be too late, and maybe Brandon has no desire to re-do this vote, but I wonder if we have reached a point where we need to rank, say, our top three guys. That would give some sense of a plurality. As it is, the winner might take it with less than a third of the vote — or even less than a quarter.
Not that it matters. This is just for fun.
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I wonder
How many would have voted Russell had it not been for Phil/meercat’s post.
Are you calling them sheep?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
It is not being a sheep to be persuaded by an argument.
I am considering a vote for Russell based upon that argument. But lordy, he is Sir K-a-lot.
That said, we are seeing this highly fragmented vote because all of the candidates have some strong reason not to vote for them, so pick your poison. That Russell had a month where he figured out AA despite his Ks is a good enough argument for #14.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
OK, I've made my vote, and it's for Javier Solano.
All of the players left have some reason not to vote for them. Solano’s reason — he is a reliever — is the least bad to me, in that it is the least hindrance against a successful career.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
You are so glass half empty
You could have easily said that this highly fragmented vote is because all of the candidates have some strong reason to vote for them.
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Humma’s glass is only half empty after he has consumed half of his gin.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Guilty as charged
Except when the glass is gin. Clink!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I will say
that I am quite comfortable with voting for the 20-year-old who had success at AA.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
One interesting way to think about it is how these players have grouped themselves.
It was pretty clear who the top six were, in any order. Then the next two. pick ’em. 9-13 was the next group, again, in any order. Now it seems we have about ten players from which to round out the top 20.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
My arguments against Russell are in the FanPost
but it boils down to that he still has a huge hole in his game (33% K rate in his successful month in AA!) that seems to doom him from reaching the majors at all, let alone come close to his ceiling. Even with limited time, Travis Schlichting posted a 0.3 WAR (fangraphs.com) last year. That is worth at least a little something.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers open up with a bullpen of
Lindblom, Solano, Link, Elbert, Schlichting, Jansen, Kuo, and Broxton.
Good enough for a contender?
I’m not trusting Belisario to make it on time again, and Troncoso arm seemed burned out.
Who do you think we are? The Pirates?
No way Ned would ever let that happen.
They don't start
with an 8-man bullpen. Troncoso is pitching winter ball, so he can’t be that burned out. And you know Ned will sign at least one Type-B FA reliever and/or a veteran long man.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
For one, I don’t think the Dodgers will begin with 13 pitchers.
And if they do open with eight relievers, Solano won’t be one of them. Probably no Lindblom either.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Lindblom and Solano on that list is crazy, Tripon. That’s way beyond anything I’d even say.
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Solano is crazy
Lindblom not so much. If a winter of rest brings back the stuff that had the staff excited in the springs of 09 and 10 then he could push himself onto the roster. No matter what we will see one more veteran relief pitcher signed and probably two. At least one left hander. No way are the trusting the LH duties to a guy whose arm has failed at the start of the year two years in a row and Elbert.
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I'm fine with that pen
But I’m just a churn and burn kind of guy when it comes to relievers. See what retreads and reclamation projects we can dig up in spring too of course.
by Mike Dennis on Nov 10, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
No one is untouchable on the Dodgers
Saying that, I don’t think the Dodgers would deal the following players:
Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, Jansen, Kuo, Ethier and Kemp. Furcal and Blake won’t move because of salary, probably the same for Broxton.
Mainly the reason why the Dodgers keep the above is that there is probably no deal where one or more of those players are dealt, that the Dodgers would not have to again replace the player they traded.
But I am not above exploring any deal even for the above listed players.
I wouldn’t trade him. But Longoria would be the guy that would make the most sense.
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
None of the guys we’d consider trading Kershaw for are going to be available. Besides he’s still young and cheap enough that even if we are going to rebuild, he could still be around. Besides, I need something to look forward to and his starts are appointment television for me, no matter how the team is doing.
by Mike Dennis on Nov 10, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
Kershaw is essentially untradeable.
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I voted for the kid SS but I know nothing.
He plays a premium position and started off great at age 21.
What else could he do? College, draft, successful first year.
I was laughing because Canuck voted Solano right before me and I get equal weight?
hahahahahaha
No way, I almost voted Solano just because…
Dodgers interested in Brandon Webb
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dodgers-eyeing-brandon-webb.html
Huh. Worth a flyer as a possible bargain, or another Jason Schmidt?
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I doubt Webb signs for anywhere close to 3/$47m, so I’m going with “not another Jason Schmidt.” :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I wrote this on November 16, 2005
Dodger fans can start to fretti
‘Cause they’ve hired Ned Colletti.
Though McCourt is still in debtti
Will he trade for “proven vetti?”
Already I am quite upsetti —
Surely, we’ve seen nothin’ yetti.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely done, Nostradamus
PS: Yet(t)i?
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Hah, true nuf
He’ll be way cheaper, was just thinking with the injury risk he could still be a bust. But a cheaper bust!
(“Is this some kind of bust?” “Yes, it’s very impressive.”)
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I think that is unlikely. Ned hasn’t shown any inclination to take calculated risks on rehabing pitchers.
So far this is just coming from Denver Post writer Troy Renck
with no other sources so it could be gobbledygook. Still, was just intrigued by him for a second.
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Yeah, I just think that Brandon Webb needs to show that he can get a couple miles per hour back in velocity before he would be of interest to Ned. I would think he would be a good fit for Cincy. It is close to his home and they already have some good young pitching.
Cincy already isn't sure they have room for Chapman in their rotation
I doubt they go out and sign anyone
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
My guess is his info basically
comes from someone on the Dodgers saying they were interested in taking a look at him throw at some point or something benign like that. It’s many steps away from them signing him, of course.
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I would take a chance on him.
If he’s healthy he can be a real coup. An incentive laden contract might do the trick.
Nothing is ever easy.
Ben Sheets got 10 mil from the A's didn't he?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
After one year removed, not two.
Still, that $10m was rather shocking.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
What does
Google Maps name part of the outer loop road around Dodger Stadium? It’s destiny for Javier Solano!
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From Eric Fisher of Sports Business Journal:
Royals owner David Glass named new chairman of MLB Advanced Media, replacing Bob DuPuy. Story upcoming in SBD.
Solano has a low 90’s fastball, a cutter, a curve, and a changeup
If Solano has all those pitches, why has he always been a reliever?
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Why Has Solano Always Been A Reliever? Because Short Right-Handed Pitchers Like Tim Lincecum Can't Be Starters
The whole justification for trading away Pedro Martinez was that he was too small to be anything but a middle reliever. If you can trade away a middle reliever to get a starting second baseman, do you do it? Of course you do. D’oh!
by CanuckDodger on Nov 10, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
This implies that you believe that Solano can start. Do you think he can?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I Was Thinking I Should Have Added That I Was Being Facetious
There is definitely a long-standing prejudice in scouting circles against short right-handed pitchers, especially if they are starters. And Lincecum and Martinez may simply be exceptions to a rule. In Solano’s case, I don’t have enough information to say whether or not it is a mistake grooming him as a reliever. What sort of stamina does Solano have? Maybe as a starter his FB velocity would quickly dip into the 80’s. Or maybe not. The Dodgers should make sure they know one way or the other.
by CanuckDodger on Nov 10, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think it does say something good about Solano
that the Dodgers put him in the Cal League to start the season, skipping Great Lakes. Despite Watson saying that they of both teams as kind of the same level, I would guess they would put the pitchers they think have a better chance of success into the hitter’s league, or the pitchers whose confidence wouldn’t be destroyed by pitching there (mental makeup).
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Beyond the Boxscore has their 2010 catching rankings out
1) Yadier Molina +14.6 runs
7) Rod Barajas +6.1 runs (great on passed balls & wild pitches)
58) Russell Martin 0 (strength was throwing out runners)
69) A.J. Ellis -0.3 runs
114) Victor Martinez -5.7 runs
120) Jeff Mathis -9.4 runs (dead last)
See? If you could combine Martin, Ellis and Barajas into one catcher
you’d have an all star!
Marellisas!
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I see they have a detailed methodology from where they get this, but to save me from reading all that, do you know if these rankings are annualized? Like, had Ellis played more, would that number change? Or is this like UZR/150 ?
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
It is a total number, above or below average, not annualized, to my knowledge.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
But they also list the PA
so…
Barajas: +6.1 runs in 2635 PA
Martin: 0 in 3385 PA
Ellis: -0.3 runs in 1323 PA
If we extrapolate to give everyone 4,000 PA…
Barajas: 9.26 runs
Martin: 0
Ellis: -0.91 runs
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
8 catchers caught 4,000+ PA last year; I just sort of picked that as the cutoff for a full-timer, but adjust accordingly per your tastes.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
So Mathis not only can’t hit he can’t field. I thought he was some kind of under appreciated Yadier over there, because well what else could justify him getting all that damn playing time? So if he’s the worst hitting full time catcher around and the worst defender, he must be what Mike Scoscia’s Tragic Illness leads him to do.
by Mike Dennis on Nov 10, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Consider this next time you see people thinking letting Scoscia go was a huge mistake.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
What Klaassen says about his own methodology
in the link to an earlier article:
Keep at least two things in mind when looking over these: (1) this is an admittedly simple method for getting a handle on measuring something very complicated, and is thus even further from perfection than other defensive stats; (2) there is a difference between observed performance and true talent.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I am surprised that we haven’t re-signed Barajas yet, like we did with Gibbons. The guy is going to be pretty cheap, wants to play for the Dodgers, and at the least would be a capable backup.
I think it will get done eventually
Sometimes these things take time for logistical reasons. Barajas maybe went on vacation with his family or was otherwise away. I would imagine both sides have talked, and both know a deal will eventually get done, and that there is no rush.
It might also make sense for Barajas to wait until after Martin is tenderized or not. With no Martin, Barajas might be able to pocket a bit more coin.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Martin “tenderized”. What’s next, Martin marinated? Martin sautéed?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
He does seem fried often at the end of seasons :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Conspiracy theory:
1. They have not decided whether or not to tender Martin a contract.
2. They have had discussions with Barajas’s rep, who wants to know Martin’s status.
3. Hearing nothing, Barajas’s rep says, look, he wants to come back, but he needs more money if he is going to be starting a large number of games. Get back to us.
4. Process stays in limbo for now.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, so Mike Scoscia who I would expect among anyone would know a defensive catcher when he sees one is playing Jeff Mathis over Mike Napoli for only one reason and that is his defense. So I’m sorry, I just can’t subscribe to a metric that claims Jeff Mathis is the worst defensive catcher in baseball. Is Mike Scoscia that stupid. I say no.
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He is that stupid. Because there were also L.A. Times stories saying that Mathis defense sucks from from Mathis himself, and they played him anyway hoping he could turn it around.
Those comments came before Wednesday night’s 2-1, 12-inning loss to the Texas Rangers, which pushed the Angels to the brink of elimination in the American League West.
Mathis felt even worse after the usually reliable defender allowed the Rangers to score the winning run on a passed ball, a Matt Palmer fastball that nicked off the catcher’s glove, allowing Jeff Francoeur to race home.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0924-angels-fyi-20100924,0,2613199.story
There was no cross-up.
“I just missed it,” Mathis said. “His fastball has a natural cut. I misjudged where it was going, and it didn’t hit the pocket.”
Mathis felt even worse after the usually reliable defender allowed the Rangers to score the winning run on a passed ball,
Did you miss this part of your quote “usually reliable”?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Where does that say his defense sucks?
It says he is a “usually reliable defender,” but on this one particular play, he made a very costly bad play.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
He didn’t say his defense sucks, he said his misjudged one pitch.
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Ugly story about a White Sox executive getting charged with taking bonuses from Latin American prospects.
Frenchy is now a free agent, after being outrighted by the Rangers and refusing his assignment to the minors.
No Dodger Gold Gloves this year
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5788835
Molina
Pujols
Phillips
Tulo
Rolen
CarGo
Bourn
Victorino
Arroyo
Who voted for Arroyo and his leg kick?
Carrie Ann Inaba, Len Goodman, and Bruno Tonioli?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody does
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Brendan Ryan probably had a better case
but Tulo was very good.
UZR: +7.1 (3rd in NL, behind Ryan 11.5 & Drew 8.7)
Plus/Minus: +16 (2nd in NL, behind Ryan +31)
Total Zone runs: +12 (2nd in NL, behind Ryan +15)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Those 14 homers in 15 games didn’t hurt :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I remember when DT posters
were aghast that Ned might trade for Scott Rolen.
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Pujols/Rolen/Edmonds on the 04 Cardinals.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Are Cash and Eovaldi
The only pitchers on this list that are still working as starters?
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Right, thanks.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting FanPost up
by StolenMonkey86.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/10/1806038/if-cost-were-no-option
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I can tell
that I would have problems with the fan post
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t judge a book by its cover. It’s an interesting exercise.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. It’s a clever essay which comes to a conclusion that seems very reasonable.
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
The psyche of TBLA prospect voters is very interesting
I don’t mean this as a slight to anyone, so I hope no one takes this personally, but just found something curious:
Despite excellent scouting reports and projections, many, many people on this site have bashed the shit out of Dee Gordon due to his statistical performance.
One the flip side, Matt Magill has put up solid if not excellent numbers thus far at every level of his career, particularly this past season as a 20 year old in A ball where he was one of the best SP in the league. Yet for some reason, with one sentence above saying “scouts describe his stuff as fringy”, and the guy might not even be in our top 15….
If you’re leaning heavily on stats to say Dee Gordon sucks, then why is Magill not one of your top prospects? Or said another way, if you’re going to dismiss everything that scouts have to say about Gordon becoming a good player, why listen to a couple of scouts’ opinions in regards to Magill?
I disagree with the premise. If people dismissed everything scouts have to say about Gordon, then he might not even make the top ten. He was voted as high as he was because while the voters could not overlook his performance, neither could they dismiss what the scouts had to say about him.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
You might say the answer is somewhere in the middle.
If all we cared about was Gordon’s stats, he wouldn’t be in the top 20. Meanwhile, there’s been a good history of guys with fringy stuff beating up the minors then never even materializing in the bigs. You have to take both opinions into account.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
This is reasonable
but from looking at the voting it seems like there were either people who believed in Gordon or those who didn’t, and if not for those who did believe in him, then he wouldn’t have even made the top 10.
I’m more interested in the people who think Gordon is terrible at playing baseball, yet have no love for Magill.
I wouldn’t say that. I don’t think there’s anyone here that would put Gordon lower than #8.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Magill played in Low A. Wake me when he gets out of an extreme pitchers environment in the lowest full season minor league.
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
hhahahaa
was waiting for someone to finally bring this argument against maggill up… nobody brought it up til you did… great point
I guess most of this is directed at me since
I probably am the most vocal about Gordon, but if you had noticed my voting you would see that I still gave him the benefit of my huge doubt by voting for him as number six strictly based on the scouting. As for MaGill he’s had one good year out of three, he pitched in the best pitchers park in his league which is a pitchers league. Yet his performance will be good enough for me to give him the next vote. The scouting reports and the history of only one good season, is what keeps him at 15.
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Yet his performance will be good enough for me to give him the next vote.
Only if Russell holds on to his lead…!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 10, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular
Just seemed like there was a lot of Gordon hate in the chats those days.
I actually thought your post about the history of Dodgers speed prospects was very good.
he was pretty good last year considering he was pitching in hitters haven ogden...
and its not like he was Bad as a rookie in the azl at 18
this was his breakout year… and hes not getting rewarded for it… just cause one scout or maybe a few said his stuff is medicre and his slider is too good…. well NICE… he has a plus secondary pitch… shouldnt he be rewarded for that…
Maybe we should wait to see where BA ranks him before we go too crazy.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
i cant tell if this is a dee gordon joke
but ba will not rank him because hes not gonna be in BA top 10
The K rate really jumped
in 2010, headed into 2010 I cared nothing about him. His 2010 season certainly put him on the map and I think somewhere between 12 – 18 is a reasonable place for him until we see how he does at the next level. You certainly had an opportunity to create a fan post or post more then one sentence about how ignorant we are. If you want to be the poster child for a prospect then make an effort to convince us.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
in a dead thread that no one is reading
it is like Meg Whitman still calling the voters on Wednesday
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
oh lol
yeah ur rite… its alright its just a ranking i aint gonna sweat it too much..
Royals DFA Brian Anderson
They “successfully” convert him to a pitcher only to cut bait. Don’t get it.
They are the Royals.
Or
What do you want them to do, cut Lance Zawadzski?
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
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The Royals have seen enough shitty pitchers named Brian Anderson for one lifetime.
by regfairfield on Nov 10, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Prospect Analysis
….involves balancing a number of different criteria: ceiling, probability of reaching ceiling, polish, distance from majors. And gut instinct absolutely comes into play. Magill is a guy I really went back and forth on after reading his stuff described as fringy. I am prepared to say I may have been wrong to let that comment sour me on him as much as it did. After James McDonald had a good year statically in low A I ranked him #16 on my list, while Baseball America didn’t even include him in their Top 30 for the Dodgers. The BA writer said in his chat that McDonald’s stuff wasn’t that impressive. And look at McDonald now, in a better place, career-wise, than a lot of guys who did make BA’s Dodger list that year. So, who knows? I have a bad feeling about any starter in the Dodgers’ organization whose stuff doesn’t stand out in some way. Gould at least has a curve people rave about. Our philosophy is very different than the Twins’ philosophy when it comes to young pitchers.
mcdonalds stuff got better as he got more expierience as a pitcher...
his velocity went up…
Magill
Canuck, good points Lots of good things about him…Magill but nothing really pops out..He does mix up his pitches well when i have sen him pitch(3-4 times). He does not rely just on FB (89-91) but uses CHup and curve as well. He looks like a pitcher vs thrower. decent comand. HIs OBA is 0.194 and he gave up13 hr so his Fb doesn’t sink as much as Websters.
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