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2011 Dodgers Unlikely Free Agent Target: Carl Crawford

Carl Crawford says, "Why not me?"

We all know the Dodgers need offense. After scoring 4.8 runs per game before the All-Star break, the Dodgers slumped to a horrific 3.3 runs per game in their final 74 games this season. Ned Colletti has said he wants to acquire a big bat this winter, and our aim to look at the four biggest offensive names on the market. They may not be very likely to join the Dodgers, for various reasons, but our job is to try and see what might fit and what might not.

Phil Gurnee extolled the virtues of Adrian Beltre, hoping you can come home again. Mike White kicked the tires on Adam Dunn, and liked what he saw. David Young thought positive thoughts in the direction of Jayson Werth, trying to lure the bearded one back to Los Angeles. Last, but certainly not least, that brings us to today's free agent profile, Carl Crawford.

Crawford picked the right time to have a career year, as he hit .307/.356/.495, a .378 wOBA, 134 OPS+, and 141 wRC+ for the Rays in 2010. He has a 107 career OPS+, and has a 115 OPS+ over the last five years. Bill James projects Crawford to hit .300/.350/.453 in 2011. His bat doesn't quite pack the punch of Werth, Dunn, or Beltre, but Crawford more than makes up for it in other ways.

Baserunning

Year SB Gain BR Gain Net Gain MLB Rank
2003 +12 +35 +47 2nd
2004 +24 +29 +53 3rd
2005 +3 +30 +33 6th
2006 +9 +40 +49 1st
2007 +10 +30 +40 9th
2008 +8 +11 +19 NR
2009 +4 +28 +32 9th
2010 +25 +27 +52 2nd
Total +95 +230 +325  

Not only is Crawford is volume stealer -- he has 400 steals in the last eight years, leading the American League four times -- but he is efficient as well. His career success rate is 81.96% on stolen base attempts, making Crawford one of 12 active players with at least 100 steals and an 80% success rate.

In addition to stolen bases, Crawford also excels at taking the extra base. Bill James Online tracks stolen base gain (SB Gain) and baserunning gain (BR Gain), which it defines as "the total of all the types of extra baserunning advances minus the (triple) penalty for all the BR Outs compared with what would be expected based on the MLB averages. Zero is average. Plus numbers are above average and negative numbers are below average."

Crawford has been in the top ten in baseball in net gain in seven of the last eight seasons.

Star-divide

Defense

Crawford won his first Gold Glove award this week, and is rated above average to excellent by various fielding metrics:

Year UZR Rank +/- Rank Total Zone Rank
2005 +12.4 2 +11 2 +16 2
2006 +10.3 4 +6 7 +2 n/a
2007 -2.5 NR 0 19 -1 n/a
2008 +16.4 1 +13 1 +18 1
2009 +17.5 1 +18 1 +12 3
2010 +18.5 2 +12 1 +1 n/a
Thanks to Fangraphs, Bill James Online, and Baseball-Reference

Health

Crawford has played in at least 151 games in six of the last eight seasons. In 2007, he was shutdown in the middle of September with a groin injury, missing the final 12 games of the season. He appeared in 143 games that season, and played in 109 games in 2008. He missed almost seven weeks in August and September 2008 with right middle finger tendon subluxation, an injury he suffered while swinging a bat, not unlike Andre Ethier's pinkie injury this season. Crawford has averaged 146.5 games per year for the last eight seasons.

Intangibles

If the Dodgers don't sign Crawford (or Werth), they will end up with someone like Scott Podsednik manning left field next season, and we can't have that. Besides, the seats near the foul pole in left field need a name now that Mannywood is no longer. Juantanamera never caught on with Juan Pierre, but what about naming those seats the Crawford Boxes? Suck it, Houston.

Like Beltre, Crawford doesn't wear a cup.

Also, I can't say that I have ever heard Crawford called this, but his nickname on Baseball-Reference is "The Perfect Storm." How cool is that? Then again, the perfect storm could be the Dodgers having an opening in left field and Crawford very capably filling that need, or the perfect storm could mean the Dodgers are stuck watching an expensive horrible movie for five or six seasons.

Total Package

All those little things add up to a very complete player. Here are his Wins Above Replacement totals using both Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference:

Year fWAR brWAR
2004 4.8 4.4
2005 4.6 3.9
2006 4.6 3.3
2007 3.0 2.9
2008 2.5 2.3
2009 5.7 4.4
2010 6.9 4.8
Total 32.1 26.0

Crawford turned 29 in August, making him the youngest of our four potential (albeit unlikely) free agent targets. That also means he will seek the longest contract. Back in August, Fangraphs polled its readers for Crawford's upcoming contract, and here's what they found:

Average length: 5.5 years
Average salary: $16.4 million

Median length: 5 years
Median salary: $17 million

Standard deviation, years: 0.93 years
Standard deviation, salary: $2.91 million

Something like five years, $85 million, maybe six years, $100 million seems about right to me, especially for a player worth between three to five wins or more. It's about time the Dodgers had a good player from Houston, something they haven't had since 2007.

Keeping in mind that it is extremely unlikely that the Dodgers will sign Crawford, or any of the four players we have outlined this week, which one of the four players would you rather have the Dodgers sign? Voting will stay open through Sunday night.

Poll
Which one of these four players would you rather have the Dodgers sign as a free agent this winter?
Adrian Beltre
179 votes
Adam Dunn
205 votes
Jayson Werth
201 votes
Carl Crawford
469 votes

1054 votes | Poll has closed

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My God,Cheez-Its are amazing.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

Speaking of Cheez-Its

I think we can close out the Prospect #15 voting. Elbert has three times as many votes as any other candidate (Elbert 15; Solano and Landry with five each are next).

Note: this comment has nothing to do with Cheez-Its, which are only eaten by people who have never experienced how wonderful artisan cheeses can be. And children. I’ll let the kids off the hook.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

After I chop down a tree and deflate a soccer ball on my way home today, I am going to enjoy some Cheez-its, which are delicious.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll bring you some cheese next TBLA night.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

good cheese is so expensive

but so are cheez-its. life is weird.

by mintxcore on Nov 11, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I was going to make sweeping generalizations about people who don't like cheez its

but my wife is one of them :(

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmm...

Cheez-Its and oysters.

Homer Simpson,
11/11/10

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hipster.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I missed when cheese got hip, but I’m glad it has, because it is awesome and the monks of Europe that make my favorites need better abbeys.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Killjoy.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Note: I may have made up that shit about the monks and their abbeys.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but still no home made cookies for you.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Home made cookies? Hipster.

Note: I may have no idea what the word “hipster” means.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither do I. People use it here to make fun of other people’s taste. Or something.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank god. I thought I was just horrendously out of touch for the last week of threads.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Only a hipster would refuse to look up the word hipster before using it. Damn hipsters.

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

2010s Hipster
1980s Yuppie
1960s The Man
1770s Bourgeois

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Only a hipster would come out with a list that goes all the way back to the 1770s.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s totally ignoring the Greek Philosophers, am I right? My only regret is I couldn’t write that in ancient Greek

by Josie Becker on Nov 11, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I admit, I forgot Plato’s putdown.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

although your man/yuppie back to back-ness is reminding me of the Ben Folds song The Ascent of Stan

“First you wanted revolution. Now your the institution. How’s it feel to be the man? It’s no fun to be the man.”

by Josie Becker on Nov 11, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I like being the man

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Occasionally, at work, people will thank me for something I have worked on for them by saying, “Thanks, [Humma]! You the man!”

And I invariably respond, “No, I’m not the man. I am A man, but I’m not THE man.”

Then they look at me like I need medication.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t you usually respond with, “NO, CALL ME HUMMA DAMNIT! HUMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

also

1950s – Pinko Reds/Commie Bastards
1917 – Czars
Ancient Greece to Present – Lawyers

if you mean “scourge of the earth”

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Nov 12, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Crawford got my vote

as I think he is the least likely to suck at some point of his contract.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

And I think you made the best case

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted for Dunn

because I think there is so much that is up in the air about the team. Dunn is the cheapest and shortest-term solution, allowing the Dodgers the capacity to compete this year if everything (and I mean everything) goes right while allowing them the flexibility for the future.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

i agree

Not only is he the cheapest but he frees up Loney for a trade. Since the Dodgers have so many other holes to fill I think this would be the way to go.

by guy clinch on Nov 11, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We can move Blake to first

and trade loney if we sign Beltre

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not bad

I think they’d be best served with a FA signing that frees up a player for a trade, rather than sign a corner OF. A two birds, one stone thing.

by guy clinch on Nov 11, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted for Beltre

because Corner Outfielders and hard hitting first baseman come around every offseason, 3b not so much.

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

1)beltre
2)Crawford
3)Dunn
4)Werth

I don’t know why I want Dunn more then Werth, I just do.

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That nut shot looked like it hurt

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

Please tell me there is booze on the line

Losers of the poll buy Michael White beer and dogs on opening day 2011?

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

I was ambivalent on Crawford until I learned about the cup thing. 7/130 make it happen Ned.

by regfairfield on Nov 11, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

7 for 125 should be enough

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Done and done!

I like Crawford, too.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

LA Noire

might be of some interest to some ya’ll, they are putting a lot of effort into recreating 1940’s LA in the game.

http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

I’m all over this. Thanks, I had heard about it a year or more ago, but forgot it was coming out.

by LA Taco on Nov 11, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

still probably 6 months out

but it does seem interesting.

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for doing these FA pieces

I’d love for the Dodgers to sign any one of these players. They probably won’t and the FA market is kind of thin this year. I can see them taking a flyer on someone like Berkman though.

by guy clinch on Nov 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t see a Berkman-type deal coming through this year. After getting a little bit hurt by the Jones and Manny deals the last few years, I just don’t see Ned pulling the trigger on a very expensive but probably over the hill veteran.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking/hoping that Berkman would take a 1year deal after injuries the past couple seasons.

by guy clinch on Nov 11, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm very curious where he ends up

as an AL DH or a NL platoon 1st baseman.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t doubt that he might, but I still think it lands north of $15 million. Which is a lot to pay for a guy that likely lands on the DL fairly frequently.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he’ll get far less than 15 per year and might have to take an incentive laden contract.

by guy clinch on Nov 11, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If he comes cheap and works for bonuses, sign me up.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for thanking us

we appreciate that response much more then “why the fuck you wasting my valuable time reading about something that could not possibly happen”.

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Crawford is so far ahead in the voting

I think we need to set up a fanpost so that this is only open to TBLA members. Otherwise, the vote has no integrity.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

Stark: Hiroki Kuroda might be 2nd best starting pitcher on market. But hard to believe he won’t go back to #Dodgers. He liked them. They liked him.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

They liked him! They really liked him!

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Dang we both had the same Sally Field thought

Hey are you thinking of going to see John Doe and the Sadies at Northridge Saturday Night?

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't even know about it

I probably won’t make it, but where in Northridge?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Cal State Campus

tickets seem to be about $45 for first section orchestra

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea - good news - He likes us, he really likes us

I heard part of his like about the Dodgers are the killer Dodger blogs that his friends read in Japan to follow the team:)

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

his friends can’t read English.

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone in Japan can read English

at least every Japanese I’ve met can, having worked for a Japanese company for fifteen years I’ve met a few Japanese nationals.

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I was being a smartass and ignorant. I agree that English seems to be just as common in japan as it is in the United States. That is to say, 60% of the population speaks it, and only 15% speak it well.

Note: joke is about Americans not speaking English well even though they want immigrants to learn how to speak American so they don’t have to learn Spanish. Not a knock on Japan.

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

fucking arkansas

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be so quick to close the prospect voting

there is still the possibility that Elbert will pull himself out of the running and go home.

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Jeez

poor guy will never live that down with you will he? ;)

Maybe he needs to give a press conference publicly apologizing, or just a private one in your driveway.

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by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope he's committed and awesome

and is able to build off of his time off to get his life together in whatever way was missing before.

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

{Elbert press conference on meercat's porch canceled}

;-)

ditto!

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by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Brief/vague post on what I'd do offensively...

Sign Beltre
Trade Loney
Move Blake to 1st/utility
Sign someone like Branyan
Hope Dejesus wins 2b job or Carroll + someone else that’s cheap
Move Kemp to right, Ethier to left, and acquire a cf, even if it is just someone like Morgan
Bring Martin back, if healthy

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by uclatroy on Nov 11, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Seems reasonable. Finding the CF is the tough part.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

My thinking is...

LF is probably not going to be someone who is much of an offensive threat, so they might as well move that to CF while improving all three outfield positions defensively.

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by uclatroy on Nov 11, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Carlos Beltran

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Morgan?

Nyjer Morgan? Is there another Morgan I’m not thinking of?

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll say.

Morgan is both bad and a headache. I just can’t imagine any team trying to acquire him.

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I actually don’t hate this idea. We can all agree he’s a plus defender in CF. At the plate, last year looks like an outlier. The three years prior he had a wOBA of .340, .320 and .348. If we even get the low in that range, with plus defense we’d easily take it. Plus, he’s insane. Insanity and a shitty year last year should really force down that price.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit, he’s entering his age 30 season. That could explain the BABIP drop and it might not come back. If he loses range defensively, he’s useless.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Good. I couldn’t imagine there was a reason any team would want to acquire Nyjer Morgan, but since I don’t know anything about anything, I couldn’t prove it. Thanks!

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If I’m reading his contract right, he’s still a year before arbitration. At $470K? He’s worth a flyer for me.

If it doesn’t work out, hopefully Trayvon or Sands is ready.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Shit! I’m foiled once again by people that know stuff!

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by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Even sadder

as bad as Nyler Morgan was last year with is wOBA of .287 his WAR was .9 compared to Kemps .4.

If Matt Kemp did not have a bunch of home runs in the last week of the year was he headed for negative WAR?

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That -24 simply has to be an aberration

no one could really be that bad.

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The positive 3 looks like the outlier.

Every other year is a negative. Not nearly <24> though.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Trayvon in CF in 2012...

was my plan. Along with Adrian Gonzalez at 1st…sigh.

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by uclatroy on Nov 11, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The crazy factor

is priceless

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike

Don’t call it a comeback!

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by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that we are done

We can realistically look at what Colorblue was getting at with his fanpost:
1st – Andre – sorry Dunn
2nd – Hudson + 6 Mill
SS – Furcal
3rd – Beltre + 14 Mill
C – Martin/Varitek + 2 Mill
RF – Werth + 14 Mill
CF – Kemp
LF – Crawford + 15 Mill
SP – Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, Lilly, Pavano

I think that is still less then 150Mill and would put the fear of God into the Giants

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

To bad we will end up with

1st – Loney
2nd – Theriot
SS – Carroll
3rd – Blake-then Russell Mitchel when Blake blows hammy
C – Barajas/Ellis
RF – Andrei
CF – Kemp
LF – Podboy/Johnson
SP – Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, Kuroda, Millwood

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That looks about right. Here’s to 2012!

by BFDC on Nov 11, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That will put the fear of God into the Pirates

and maybe even the Sacramento River Cats

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

And by Colorblue I meant StolenMonkey88

http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/10/1806038/if-cost-were-no-option

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by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Voted Beltre

He will be a borderline top-5 3B for the next 4 years at the position that is becoming one of the most premium in MLB, not to mention we have not one internal option and there will be no other viable trade or solid FA options the next couple years.

Dunn – Would be my second pick even though I like Werth and Crawford better, However, he is a bonafied slugger, durable and less expensive than Werth and Crawford.

Werth – Great player, but I don’t think he will be Werth the contract he will get.

Crawford – The most exciting player of the bunch, and I would like nothing more than to watch this guy for years. That said, I think for the money he will require he is not the right fit for this team (unless the team were blown up and reconstructed).

by BFDC on Nov 11, 2010 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah agreed

I really think Crawford is the least likely of all these unlikely guys to end up in LA, at least the real LA, not LAA.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Dodgers announced this today

so Keith can save money when he visits:

A newly-discounted military ticket will allow members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard and National Guard to purchase $110 Infield Box tickets on the Field level for $25, a savings of more than 75%. Also new next season, military spouses and dependents will be included in the Dodgers’ military discount program and each armed services member will be able to purchase up to eight tickets per game, doubled from four in previous seasons.

The team will offer members of the joint services with a valid military ID $60 Preferred Field Box seats for $20, $20 Left Field Pavilion tickets for $10 and $15 Top Deck seats for $7. Overall, members of the military will save almost 70% off of the box office price.

Throughout the 2011 season, the Dodgers will honor a veteran at every home game by treating them and their families to Field level tickets and a batting practice experience and recognizing them on the field during pregame ceremonies. In addition, the team will host designated themed nights for each joint service branch at a 2011 home game.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Keith should buy tickets for tbla night

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking that as I was reading the post

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it for active members

or anyone who could prove that they are a veteran?

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Dad, can I borrow that ID

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

To honor our veterans

The Dodgers will mine the basepaths while the visiting team is at bat. Special honorary snipers will also be strategically placed throughout the stadium to make base running even more exciting.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, a-bomb on SF.

(with ample warning to Underdog, et al)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer this

to GBA in the middle of the 7th inning. Much more patriotic.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Is the weekend before christmas a bad time to travel?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

depends

not as bad as Thanksgiving weekend.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You're a bastardly bastard
As far as you and facial hair goes

I picture you either as not able to grow facial hair or looking like Joe Dirte where it only grows in certain spots.

Toasters don’t toast toast. Toast toasts toast.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions

Because you’re, sadly, spot on :(

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

G. Scott

is feeling pretty good with his GF back in tow.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He got her back? Or kidnapped her?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it was something

I miss you, here’s a gift, oh by the way did I mention we are going to San Francisco.

Marty, have you heard of Luggage Room Pizzaria?

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I have not heard of that place

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

From what I understand

she googled him, saw he posted on TBLA, checked it out, saw how heartbroken he was, and how sympathetic we were, realized that if he was readily accepted by the TBLA crowd she must have misread him, so she is giving him a second chance.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

That would be hilarious if that really happened.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Toasters don’t toast toast. Toast toasts toast.

I have no idea what this means.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It's his sig

and I also have no idea what it means.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Guns don't kill people

People kill people.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't make much sense I give you that.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

This

the whole people kill people thing cracks me up.

That being said, I need a new signature.

Also, I’m a sweet talker.

Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

So does that mean

you did not have the Kobe ring with you as a gift that night.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No. I brought pizza and an apology. Because, you know, as a guy even if it’s not your fault and you did nothing, it’s your fault and you need to change.

Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

ah yes

the Al Bundy logic. Good show sir.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 11, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Or as I read today that the late Senator Moynihan used to say:

Guns don’t kill people. Bullets kill people.

(I’m not sure, but I think he was trying to go for ammunition control. Or maybe he was just making the NRA people look stupid.)

by berkowit28 on Nov 11, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Slightly OT - Cam Newton

At this point, what can Auburn do, he might as well as play, even if somehow the NCAA made some finding, Auburn would appeal it and it won’t be final for many months.

If the NCAA is going to have the ability to investigate its member institutions, then it is going to have to require its member institutions and any athlete who is on a roster to give access to any records for an investigation. If they do not cooperate, they are no longer eligible. They can do it as a requirement to getting student aid/eligibility. Otherwise, you can be the NCAA and have knowledge of these allegations for 10 months and do nothing without someone else stepping forward.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Reggie Bush Redux

Auburn will probably play him. If they win the national championship and then get it stripped, everyone will still know they were the best team

~ I do not think Auburn will win the national championship

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone suprised that Pujols only has four Silver Sluger Awards

or did I misunderstand what the parentheses means next to the name.
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2010/11/11/1808938/2010-al-silver-slugger-award-winners-joe-mauer-josh-hamilton

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

Howard got one instead of him in 06 I'd imagine

Berkman may have gotten one over him one year. Hmmm, other than that Helton hasn’t been elite since Pujols has been around (for the most part), and I really can’t think of anyone (though haven’t tried very hard) that has had that many better seasons than Pujols.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

NL Silver Slugger Awards 2001-2009 (2001 was Pujols rookie year)

Year Player Team BA OBP SLG HR RBI

2001 Todd Helton* Colorado Rockies .336 .432 .685 49 146
2002 Todd Helton* Colorado Rockies .329 .429 .577 30 109
2003 Todd Helton* Colorado Rockies .358 .458 .630 33 117
2004 Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals .331 .415 .657 46 123
2005 Derrek Lee Chicago Cubs .335 .418 .662 46 107
2006 Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies .313 .425 .659 58 149
2007 Prince Fielder Milwaukee Brewers .288 .395 .618 50 119
2008 Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals .357 .462 .653 37 116 ]
2009 Albert Pujols St. Louis Cardinals .327 .443 .658 47 135 ]

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

James Loney in 2011

looks to break his three year streak:)

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still surprised

but not as much after seeing those numbers from his competition. Thanks for the research

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I guess Helton's decline started more towards the middle of the 2000s, not start

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He also won

at 3B in 2001, and OF in 2003

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

well I deserve it, my research was incomplete.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant to reply to Phil anyway :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, now that makes more sense

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

So Pujols actually has six silver sluggers, not the four reported? Am I following this correctly?

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think so

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Pujols was a failed 3rd baseman?

didn’t know that.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Early on, Pujols played 1B, 3B, LF, and RF, I believe.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He wasn't a failed 3B

Pujols just surprised the fuck out of everyone in spring training 2001, and made the team. He played all over. That team started the year with McGwire at 1B, and by mid-2002 they traded for Rolen.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Derrick Lee

had quite the 2005

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Nov 11, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I wrote a Clerihew for him back then

Albert Pujols, MVP
Shoulda gone to Derrek Lee
But can’t complain, won’t pick no bones —
It coulda gone to Andruw Jones

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s gonna be really sad when all of Helton’s accomplishments get waived away with “it’s Coors Field”

by regfairfield on Nov 11, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Or the fact he's really come down to earth after testing was instated

 going the ole Eddie Mathews route. Back injury sapping power or drugs sapping power. Either way power was sapped where he’s now sapping the Rockies for millions of dollars.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Which was right when he hit his 30s. Even then OPS+ed 132 and 127 after his peak.

by regfairfield on Nov 11, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Who will the Dodgers get

Loved the profiles, and can only hope we at least get one of them although very doubtful. I voted for Beltre, because of its premium position and the dearth in the organization.

Assuming the Dodgers don’t sign a very good outfielder, Werth or Crawford, what is the negative, besides losing 1 year on giving Sands a chance. Last year the A’s brought up for looks both Carter and Taylor. Carter in the last two weeks finally began to hit, maybe the Dodgers could get lucky this way, and save some money. Never understand why they are so fearful with their “top young prospects”

by wineracquet on Nov 11, 2010 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

Sands isn’t ready for the bigs yet. Carter and Taylor were closer.

by joakcbasse on Nov 11, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

hard to jump from AA to the bigs when your AA at bats only consist of 1/2 a season. It could happen later in the year but unless some bizarre injury thing like Nomar/LaRoche breaking their thumbs in the same game happens, he ain’t starting the year on the major league club.

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If a butterfly flapping it’s wings can cause a rainstorm halfway around the world, imagine the chaos that Jerry Sands swinging and missing all day would cause.

by regfairfield on Nov 11, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

LaRoche was contact hitter, how'd that work out for him?

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 11, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought this was amusing for anyone who reads comments

on newspaper sports sections online, especially.

It was aimed at Broncos fans but applies to any team w/rabid fan bases: Lover, hater, agitator: Which kind of poster [commenter] are you?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16574799

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 5:24 PM PST reply actions  

Me? All Three.

I am large. I contain multitudes.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Also lover. Also agitator.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 11, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not a homer

 Homer blindocerus: This is a rare bird indeed. Always keeping the faith, always backing “my team,” they rage against other posters for booing and being bad fans. An endangered species, to be sure. And that’s probably a good thing.

But then again, I am not funny

 Cretaceous humorous: Kings of one-liners, they add a dose of humor when the games get too serious. Usually a breath of fresh air.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You are strong. You are invincible. Oh, wait.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

lol, I think I fit this one a ton with my friends

GM Knowitallis: These are the guys (and gals) who bring detailed, well thought-out critiques to the message board. They have knowledge and they let you know it. They can be a real pain in the behind. They are always eager to spend teams owners’ money.

Read more: Lover, hater, agitator: Which kind of poster are you? – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16574799#ixzz151m4ANqz

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

When you bring one of

those comments over here, highlight it for me.

Thanks

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That seems like a fucking shot, thanks.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Nov 11, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I live in a nicely furnished apartment. That kills me being a dorkus.

by regfairfield on Nov 11, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate Rantasorous Rex's

mostly because they pop in without reading any of the articles or comments on the blog, and think that what they have to say is interesting and unique, but have nothing to say when the team is doing well.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah honestly those folks are a very thin line away

from being a troll. i.e., people who don’t even pay attention to the article and just come in to bring the level of conversation down to the worst level.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Not listed but

I’m more of a moodysaures rex. I occilate between all the different categories probably at least once in any given week.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

As usual

I don’t fit neatly into any one category. And the" lives in parent’s basement" joke is old and tired.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Keith Law

when asked who was closer to being ready, Trayvon Robinson or Jerry Sands,

he said Robinson and Robinson.

Does this make me a Raiderious comentarian

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

who's the second Robinson? Sugar Ray?

Hmmm…! COme to think of it. Sugar Tray would be a cool nickname.

Sugar Tray©, 2010 underdog.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

On Bill Simmons latest podcast

“Because of the McCourt situation, the Dodgers spent $30-40 million less than they normally would have.”

Huh?

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

I am sure

Buster meant on houses (I have not listened to it yet)

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It was Simmons who said it, but Buster didn’t disagree

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I know they had Albert Pujols

but when Jeff Weaver and David Eckstein are major contributors to your World Series title, I beg to differ.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the first team I thought of. And that’s just within the last 10 years.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons

also called the 1988 Dodgers, who won 94 games (91-70 pythag record), “the worst World Series champion ever.”

One need not look farther than one year prior, when the allowed-more-runs-than-they-scored Twins won it all.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

What about the Pirates team that was hugely outscored by the Yankees in the World Series yet still managed to win it? Early 60’s I think. (Yes, I am too lazy to check for myself.)

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

the earliest 60s

1960 :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 11, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They were outscored 55-27 in the World Series, but the 1960 Pirates were a good team.

Pirates: 95-59 (92-62 pythag)
Yankees: 97-57 (89-65 pythag)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I just assumed that “worst World Series champion” meant the team that was most fortunate in winning the series. I wasn’t thinking of regular season weakness, in which case I’m on board with the Cardinals team that won 80 some odd games.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill’s an expert at everything.

by Michael White on Nov 11, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

When I think of Simmons now, I think of this video.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

They will be out by 7am :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

They can just get the $99 blueray player from Sony.

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You doofus

thats the normal price. The deal is the 50 dollar gift card.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude Tripon. nolander called you a doofus. Are you gonna take that from him?

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

neener neener neener?

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Should I use a Your mom joke here?

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems warrented

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just trying to play the role of agitator. I don’t think I’m very good at it.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Jurrasic negativius!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I make it a point to stay home all day on Black Friday.

It is the worst day to be out. For anything.

Nothing is ever easy.

by drulenarendes on Nov 11, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to go out on black friday

in the very very early of the morning. If you do it right its not so bad, Best Buy for example was always easy in and easy out. Now that you can get most of the deals online, no need to even do that.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Two years ago on Black Friday

I was staying in the suburbs north of NYC and it was the only day I could see my friend in Manhattan. I drove into the city. I expected traffic and parking nightmares, and got neither: we parked all day for $10.

From this, I conclude that Black Friday is the best day to walk around Manhattan and look in the shop windows, if you’re into that kind of thing.

Now with 33% more Kavula

by Humma Kavula on Nov 12, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

So is Scotty Pods like

The dead for 100 years version of Carl Crawford?

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

The free agent class might be why I think the draft matters so much.

Almost every year is a freaking dud. Dodgers have almost no shot to sign the top guys, and the middle guys aren’t good enough to help the team unless they have fluke years. At least with prospects, the payoff is so long away that you can sell on that one first rounder who seems to be an ace pitcher, or the SS who projects to be a 5 tool player.

Dodgers best FA signing this year might be Ted Lilly. Ted Lilly is many things, but on the Dodger boner scale, he probably rates a 4.

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

Or rather, the FA the Dodgers are considering outside of Kuroda aren’t going to help the Dodgers unless they have fluke years.

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

It worked for the giants

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer not to speculate

on a Dodger boner scale. I’ll leave that to Josie.

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by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

How bout a Dodger

broner scale

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by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

MLBN scroll says

AP reports that Marlins have ceased negotiations with Uggla. If he’s traded, Dodgers need to be in on it. I know a case has been made here against him, but we need a power bat, and I think his D is not as much of a detriment as has been stated. Plus, if we don’t get him, I can see one of the other NL west teams getting him.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 11, 2010 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

oh Google

you wacky emergent monopoly.

/Joel Dawson

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 11, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Good think Phil didn't write that Geoff Blum piece

Close to a 2-year deal with Arizona, per Steve Gilbert of MLB.com.

IIRC Blum was well-liked in San Diego when Towers was there.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

If Kevin Towers tries to recreate his San Diego teams, does that mean he just likes bad players, and not that the Padres can only afford bad players?

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I was worried the Diamondbacks would turn back into a juggernaut if you let Kevin Towers run AZ like he did SD but with an extra 30-40mil every year.

Proud man dies of crow allergy.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

2 years for Blum?

Don’t know the $ yet though, so can’t rip it but gosh… I’m glad that was them doing that.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't be for much more then Carrol

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Good chance it’s for less.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I just like Carroll more (even at the time of the signing)

but yes fair enough I suppose. Bench strength is what Blum will add. He also has had some injury woes recently…

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by underdog on Nov 11, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The Miami Heat are not a good basketball team at this point of the season.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

can’t defend a 3, can’t shoot a 3. I’m waiting until Mike Miller is back to pass judgment.

Proud man dies of crow allergy.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Everyone knew they would have flaws; the question is whether the big 2+1 can overcome that. I think it will take time for them to gel.

They will be 5-4 if they lose tonight. I checked the last two years. The Lakers had one 5-4 stretch in 2008-09, when they won 65 games. Of course, it wasn’t at the beginning of the season.

I don’t think they are doomed by a 5-4 start, but it is quite enjoyable. :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

chris Bosh is completely lost with that team, and in way its sad because he was a freaking good player with the Raptors. He has no role on that team and is really misplaced as the rebounder/defense guy. Obviously Miami will get better, but I really cant see them winning anything as long as Boston and the Lakers stay in tact.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 11, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

D Wade and Lebron are great players...

But Chris Bosh is not a max-level player.

He’s a soft, put up stats on a bad team type guy.
He’s the Corey Maggette of PFs.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Last year Bosh was first amongst PFs in PER. The year before he was 3rd. 4th the year before that. He would still put up numbers on a good team, but on a team that utilizes him to his strengths. Honestly, what you said about Bosh was exactly what people said about Gasol before his trade. Now, I think Pau is a better player, but he also went to a team that utilizes his strengths and gets him the ball. Bosh is just a complete afterthought right now.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 11, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Boston's old guys can still play..

You keep thinking they are going to slow down….but they are playing a great game tonight.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

shit there a football game on right now

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

the players and owners sure don’t.

Proud man dies of crow allergy.

by G.Scott on Nov 11, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s nice, they can wipe their tears with their millions.

as a fan, i want this.

by joakcbasse on Nov 11, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The Athletics scheduled it

because they only have 6 games in 8 days and it won’s screw up their rotation, the Angels are probably not as happy, they will have to use an extra pitcher somewhere, my guess is that they bring up someone from AAA to pitch Game 1 that day and then immediately option him back to fill in the bullpen afterwards.

On the otherhand, perhaps it will bring in a couple of thousand more folks to Oakland.

I wouldn’t look at many teams doing this on their own.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow Roddy White got away with massive PI there

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

I tried adding “realmcnoland” on xbox, and it said the gamertag was not valid.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

oops theres a space between real

and thats real as in a soccer team

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by nolander on Nov 11, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Your avatar is disturbingly familiar.

"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."

by MR.F. on Nov 11, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a fan of Paul Pierce

(admittedly, really only because he’s a Celtic), but this is awesome, from his Twitter account:

It’s been a pleasure to bring my talents to south beach now on to Memphis

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

yeah

that is pretty funny

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 11, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Samuel

is now coaching 3B for the Phillies

by bhsportsguy on Nov 11, 2010 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

going back to where it all began

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

For Phil:

The other day we were talking about Russell’s K-rate and I said Fangraphs reported a higher number than what you had. I have discovered the reason for this. Apparently Fangraphs for some reason arrives at k-rate by K/AB instead K/PA. I have no understanding of why, but it makes me pretty skeptical now.

by prosellis on Nov 11, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

Phil listened.
Yet its 95-95..Nuggets 10-0 run.

Hopefully Kobe can close it out.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

1st loss of the season..

Too much Carmelo.
Made some incredible shots in the 4th.

Just sucks to lose a big lead.

Pau playing like a vag didnt help.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

How about

signing Crawford, moving him to CF, putting Kemp in RF and moving Ethier to his natural position in LF. After last season I’m thinking maybe Kemp’s ’09 in CF was a fluke.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 11, 2010 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

How does anyone have a “natural” position in baseball?

I just am bothered by the adjective. But I digress.

by Bob Timmermann on Nov 11, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

semantics?

The position that best reflects that persons skill set.

by Xeifrank on Nov 12, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Troublemaker

You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable

by meercatjohn on Nov 12, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Why not say his best position

Natural is not generally a good term to use when describing athletic ability.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 12, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

fact

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

c'mon

 you mean to tell me Ozzie Smith isn’t a natural shortstop? Or Ivan Rodriguez isn’t a natural catcher? C’MON!!!

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 18, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver was playing their 4th game in 5 nights.
Lakers led by 8 going into the 4th q.

Disappointing game.

by Joey Joe on Nov 11, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a fan of giving up 16-0 and 11-0 runs in the 4th. But yeah, in the grand scheme, not a big deal. Still, they should have won.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 11, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This will just show that Derek Fisher ‘being a leader’ and ripping the team after a win was a crock of shit.

by Tripon on Nov 11, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Crawford

is the best fit for us: LF, #2 hitter, prime of career. But I have to admit the years/dollars are looking ridiculous.

by kinbote on Nov 12, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

2010 Fans Scouting Report

(as another source of defense) has for LFers.

1. J.Hamilton
2t. C.Crawford
2t. C.Gonzalez
4. B.Gardner

Basically, a bunch of guys that could also play CF.

by Xeifrank on Nov 12, 2010 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

I voted for Werth

because I wrote his damn article. And because his hot mom was wearing a UCLA sweatshirt.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

But I do wonder if Crawford

could teach Matt Kemp a thing or two about defense and baserunning.

And I don’t understand the no cup thing. Even for slow-pitch softball I always wore one. There probably was a time when gritty gamer middle infielders would try to tag runners super-hard in the crotch if they thought the guy wasn’t wearing a cup.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

going for the nuts is against man code.

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Heard this

Ty Cobb didn’t adhere to no “man code”. ;-)

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And

if Bill Russell had thrown that ball right at Reggie Jackson’s nuts, he might have gotten out of the way. (My position, from the time it happened, is that Russell’s mistake was not throwing that ball head high.)

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 12, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

sensationalist

LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!

by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It is not

the cameras are mounted on top of a rapevan.

/captain buzzkill.

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by nolander on Nov 12, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I picked Beltre.

Only because we were so weak at the corners last year. Hes a slick glove, and a power bat. Blake would/could play 1st against tough lefties. We would still need a bat in left, but it seems a rental would be better, as we have some players who are still a year or two away. We dont really have any top-notch CI prospects in the system, so it seems this would be the way to go thru free agency. Beltre, Furcal and Loney, is a good 3/4 of defensive infield.

by darrelld on Nov 12, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

I wish

Beltre AND Dunn were possible :(. But I really want Crawford. I wish this could happen :(.

Oddly enough, with that said, I voted for Werth lol, he seems the most likely to me.

"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.

by douchiedude on Nov 13, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

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