Dodgers 2011 #5 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 2, 2010 8:37 AM PDT
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Rubby De La Rosa ran away with the #4 prospect ranking with 28 votes, beating out Dee Gordon (10 votes), Kenley Jansen (10 votes), and Chris Withrow (2 votes). Rubby’s 100 mph fastball and impressive 2010 stats were just too much for people to resist. Thus far, the TBLA Prospect List looks like:
1. Jerry Sands
3. Zach Lee
4. Rubby De La Rosa
As people discussed in the comments yesterday, this is definitely not how the Baseball America top 4 this offseason. However, we shouldn’t really care how other sites rank our players because this is the TBLA vote, and we can have a difference of opinion.
I don’t believe I saw any suggestions for players to be added to the voting options, and therefore I’m not going to add anybody this round. Next round I definitely want to add one or two names, however, so let me know who they should be. We are going to continue voting using the comment method, so refer to the Fanpost and submit your vote in the comments. I’m going to leave this vote open for approximately 24 hours, which should give everyone a chance to vote.
To make it obvious for those not reading the whole article, Click Here To Vote.
As always, use this thread to talk about the voting and other things, and only use the other Fanpost to submit your votes.
The round 5 candidates (ages as of 2011 opening day):
Kenley Jansen (23.5 years old) RHP – Dominated the minor leagues, and then went on to record the 4th lowest major league rookie ERA in major league history (min 25 innings) at 0.67. Still technically a rookie heading into 2011, major league batters also hit just .130 against him. Will almost certainly stay in the bullpen for the rest of his career.
Dee Gordon (22.75 years old) SS – Has a .297 career minor league batting average and has 126 stolen bases over the past 2 seasons, and scouts still describe him as very raw with a ton of potential. Was one of the younger players in AA in 2010, and despite making a lot of errors at shortstop, many believe he has the tools to one day be a plus defender.
Allen Webster (21 years old) RHP – Webster has been excellent in his 3 minor league seasons, and has a career minor league ERA of 2.76 in 218.1 innings. While his strikeout rate dropped a bit in 2010, his 131.1 innings with the Loons as 20 year old almost doubled his workload from the previous year, so it was expected that he’d tire a bit. He has a low 90’s fastball that hits 94 and has a lot of sink, and his curveball is very solid.
Aaron Miller (23.5 years old) LHP – Was great in the California league, but struggled during his 23 innings in AA. He doesn’t throw real hard, generally working in the low 90’s, but he has great control. He also has a power slider and is working on a changeup.
Chris Withrow (22 years old) RHP – TBLA’s #1 prospect last year, Withrow had a very disappointing 2010 season in AA. However he was one of the youngest players in the Southern League at just 21 years old, so he still have plenty of time to improve his game. He still has great stuff, as Baseball America’s most recent report says that "he features a mid-90s fastball that bores and sinks, and he also spins a plus curveball in the mid-70s."
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Withrow
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Gordon
"Oh ville lumière, sens la chaleur de notre coeur, vois-tu notre ferveur quand nous marchons près de toi. Dans cette conquête, chasser l'ennemi, enfin pour que nos couleurs brillent encore..."
"Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap) et nous chantons en choeur (clap clap clap clap). Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap), fidèles à nos couleurs (clap clap clap clap). Lololo lololo, lololo lololo"
Kiss my Aul[ass], hahaha
after Jansen and Gordon...
it will be interesting..to see what happens…
I don’t Withrow as in next 3 spots..
maybe Webster..Miller..Garcia
It's Hu with no doubt...
"Oh ville lumière, sens la chaleur de notre coeur, vois-tu notre ferveur quand nous marchons près de toi. Dans cette conquête, chasser l'ennemi, enfin pour que nos couleurs brillent encore..."
"Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap) et nous chantons en choeur (clap clap clap clap). Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap), fidèles à nos couleurs (clap clap clap clap). Lololo lololo, lololo lololo"
Kiss my Aul[ass], hahaha
I just assumed it was some dude who happened to be wearing a Dodgers jersey. A fan.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha ha
It’s definitely neither.
Kuo and Hu:
The right arm in the Getty photo has never done a bat flip in its life.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The guy in the photo is holding the ball in his left hand. We could have figured this out sooner! :)
All asi....
nevermind
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
All Asian are the same...
"Oh ville lumière, sens la chaleur de notre coeur, vois-tu notre ferveur quand nous marchons près de toi. Dans cette conquête, chasser l'ennemi, enfin pour que nos couleurs brillent encore..."
"Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap) et nous chantons en choeur (clap clap clap clap). Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap), fidèles à nos couleurs (clap clap clap clap). Lololo lololo, lololo lololo"
Kiss my Aul[ass], hahaha
nice sig
Ayn Rand can take a fastball in the kisser for all I care
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
hah thanks
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
This is the spot for Kenley Jansen
I may go for Gordon next, for the high potential upside, even if I’m not a believer.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Best picture of Rubby I could find
http://www.ladodgertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Rubby-De-La-Rosa.jpg
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
I leave my house in the morning well before polls open.
I’ll hit them up on my way home.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I went with Webster
throws a hard sinker at 90-93, had great results in AA. He’s my #5. Plus, he looks like a child, so maybe he’ll have a 60 year career.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
Where do you think he’ll be next year? Chattanooga or Rancho Cuc…..
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll be dropping off my ballot right before the polls close
because I forgot to bring it to work. Awesome!
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
is there also a fan post
to discuss the hot dog vote? I am still trying to find out who is running against bacon wrapped
Eric, hope this doesn't offend but re: Don't Stop Believing
(reposting from that other thread)
If the Dodgers marketing dept has a sense of humor (and who knows if they do) next season during the opening Giants series, they should have a moment where they start to play that song and then add sound FX of it being ripped off a record player and then a cartoon on the screen that shows it being broken into a million pieces, stomped on by Godzilla, who then stomps on Steve Perry.
(Sorry Eric, but it has to happen.)
Can we get a campaign started for this?
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by underdog on Nov 2, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am over having the song played at Dodger Stadium.
I still love the song though. But, time for the Dodgers to move on.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I want it to be more about returning to sender anything Giants related
less about the band themselves. It is time to move on indeed.
Who is a huge Dodger fan who also has a great song that fits? (Don’t say “I Love LA”)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Flea?
He did one of those code of conduct things. He is a huge Laker fan first and foremost. I’ll leave it to the collective wisdom what Chili Peppers’ song works.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Jansen
I was going to say Gordon because of his upside but I just don’t see 5 players having major league careers better than Jansen’s. So I vote for Jansen, just because at some point I’m pretty sure he will have a few successful seasons and that’s more than I can say for a lot of these guys, even if those seasons come as a 70 inning a year reliever.
Doesn’t look like it.
5) Jansen
6) Withrow
7) Gordon
8) Webster
9) Miller
And that’s just playing out the guys already in the vote. I assume some others will be fighting for the 10 spot.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Withrow is going to show really weak. I still have him in the top-ten, but a lot of people really soured on him.
FYI, that was just where I’d be ranking the guy up for consideration.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Tripon
I rank Martin higher than Miller
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Jansen
Gordon
Webster
Withrow
Miller
is how I think it plays out. We may not have a true number one but I think we have a solid 1 – 10, and then some high ceiling with Gould/Martin, and then it starts to level out. This looks like the deepest group of prospects in a long time.
As the voice of negative reason, I wish I could share your optimism. I just fear we are in for another season of disappointment from the guys we label our top guys; that none of these cracked the list last year but now are our top prospects is troublesome. I wonder if next year, we’ll be convincing ourselves that a whole new list of names are the real deal because this time it’s different.
I know this year is different than last year. Last year the top guys hadn’t been to AA and we didn’t have somebody like Lee. Still, one would think that the 2010 season would be a huge wake-up call for this system.
And it’s a deep group, OK. What does that mean? A deep group of fringe starters and bench players?
Clink, indeed.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at it this way
that none of these cracked the list last year but now are our top prospects is troublesome
We had less information about these players then compared to now. Also, they’ve almost universally made progress. Withrow struggled, but let’s face it, any inning he throws is a positive step. Experience is experience, and being 21 in AA is impressive regardless.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
Withrow would be
my#5, behind KJ, Zach,Sandman, and Rubby
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn it
Withrow would be #5, behind KJ, Zach,Sandman, and Rubby
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. I guess I’m asking those who are eager to vote for Gordon based on potential.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Withrow hit a huge wall at the end of the season. He needs to figure out how to throw more than 110 innings if he’s ever going to be a starter.
Well walking 5 people a start isn’t going to increase your innings amount. He still almost had a 9 K/9 as a starter and he’s only 21, so I have hope.
He did lose velocity because of a tired arm, but I believe he’ll have it back again next season.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
What two names do we want Brandon to add to the next round?
Kyle Russell?
BCG?
Mario Songco?
Matt Magill?
Blake Smith?
Someone else?
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I didnt even go back and look for any replies, you just assumed Trayvon had the huge edge in walks even though their percentages are incredibly close, minus the 2 month span to end the season for Russell.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Considering the conversation above, looks like Martin will be getting consideration for the back end of the top 10
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
E. Martin was our 1st round pick, in the middle of the round
just two years ago. His star hasn’t dimmed so much that he should be the next add to the ballot.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
BCG for sure
Jon Garcia, too. Not sure about the others at this point.
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I don't think it will matter
for a few more rounds. None of those should be considered in the top top other then Kyle Russell.
I definitely like Russell, but how long does he have to replicate results before he starts dropping of the list? One bad year sees Withrow fall from top two to barely in the top-10. Russell hasn’t improved his one huge weakness in 3 years.
I'll talk more about Russell when he shows up on the list
but I think he improved his chances quite a bit with how he adjusted to AA after his bad start.
Wasn't that a lot lower in the 2nd month?
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
I won't overlook it
but it dropped form 41 to 35 to 32 with each month he played. Ending at 36.8 for the year for AA. In August he was the best hitter in the league.
What does his SO rate need to get to
for him to be considered legit?
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
I think any of us would be fucking thrilled if it dropped below 30%. For comparison, his whiff rates right now are pretty similar to Mark Reynolds.
Similar to Reynolds in AA, or similar to Reynolds in the majors?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
The one knock against Garcia is that its not a given he moves up a level next year. If he’s not at low-A next year, its pretty clear the Dodgers don’t think he’s good enough to be tracked to the majors yet.
Garcia was only 18 this yr in league of 22 yr old guys..and did very well..
arguably better than any/most other 18yr old position players..It makes sense to move him to class A..
Rocket of an arm…what did he have 10-12assists in 60 games? looks like a solid SS and possible GG n RF.
Scouting reports that you held so dear regarding Gordon
are not as kind with Garcia. Landry might be a better prospect on his own team. His age is certainly his calling card.
My heart says Russell :P
but my head says Matt Magill. This guy is seriously solid, and could be in the same situation as Miller, with having a low ceiling but also a somewhat high-ish floor as a 3 or 4 starter.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
So apparently Brad Childress released Randy Moss without consulting his owner first, and the owner (Zygi Wilf) is understandably not happy. How does Childress not get fired for this?
The owner should STFU
and back up his subordinate manager. If Childress is in charge of player personnel, isn’t it his call?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well he is the guy
who just a few weeks ago made an impassioned plea to his owner to take a chance on Moss. Then without telling him, he lets him go, I’d be peaved to. Maybe not take it public, but I’d still ream his ass about not letting me know first what he was planning to do.
Private vs. public
is an important distinction. By doing it publicly, he is undermining Childress with regards to the players. Not that the players seem to respect him all that much anyway.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Agreed
Just the fact that Wilf went public pretty much means he should fire Childress ASAP (not that there weren’t many other reasons).
I do think something as large as releasing Randy Moss should be run by the owner, especially given the unusual nature and timing of the move.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know about that. Bill Belichick seemed to trade Moss pretty quick.
But Childress certainly isn’t Belichick.
There's that
and it’s also two different deals.
Patriots get rid of Moss: they got 3rd round draft pick in return
Vikings get rid of Moss: they got nothing in return
The latter requires more justification than the former.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilf would be hesitant to fire him immediately because people will (perhaps incorrectly) associate Wilf with Moss. Considering the details of Moss’s lunch time tirade, I doubt Wilf wants to look like he’s siding with Moss.
Of course, he could have said nothing publicly since he is now running this risk anyway.
by Michael White on Nov 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Also the money involved
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Moss should be let go - he's an ass
But Childress should never have been retained for this season in the first place.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Agreed
Childress is not a good coach at all and there are other reasons he should be gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if this Moss mess starts a snowball effect that also has him gone, at least by season’s end. They’ve been a disappointment and he shouldn’t have a say in personnel (or, some would argue, in coaching).
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They have one of the best in house candidates to step in to the job too
just chop Childress and let Frazier take over so you can see if he can handle the job
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Just a guess here
But I would predict BA’s Top 10 list to look like this
Lee
Gordon
Withrow
Sands
Robinson
Jansen
Martin
De La Rosa
Miller
Russell
You can usually hit it just
by reviewing how they did the top 20 lists for each league and whoever was drafted 1st in the current draft.
BA (Callis)has already said Lee would not be #1..probably Gordon. They tend not to pick guys like sands who they reluctantly had to talk about ..because he did so well. They also don’t seem to like RDLRosa?
my guess for BA..
Gordon..
Lee
Trob
Sands
RDLRosa..they didn’t even name him as a top 20 in class A or AA
Webster..they claim Webster was best prospect on Loon this yr..even twhen RDLR and Sands were there…
Jansen
Garcia
AMiller
Withrow
Wait no i don't
I’ pretty sure ba likes webster
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I highly doubt Russell makes the top 10
Though I’d be thrilled to see him get the recognition.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Possible 4/5 guy I guess? BA says this about him in Oct.
While many of the players listed on this Top 10 are barely in their 20s, Iwakuma is a pitching veteran.
Unlike most of the other pitchers on this list, Iwakuma has had some health concerns, as he missed most of the 2006 season with a shoulder injury, and he struggled in 2007 as well. But he returned to full health in 2008, as he went 21-4, 1.87 to lead the Pacific League in ERA and wins to earn the league’s MVP award.
Iwakuma doesn’t light up a radar gun, as his fastball sits around 89-90 mph and tops out at 93, but he pairs it with a nasty split-finger fastball that dives at the plate and a solid-to-plus slider. As he showed throughout the World Baseball Classic, Iwakuma is extremely efficient. He carved up Cuba, needing only 66 pitches to work six innings.
Iwakuma could head to the U.S. as soon as his current contract is up. If he did, he would have little problem finding teams ready to plug him into their rotation.
“He would step into any rotation in the majors right now; he might be the No. 1 for half the teams in the majors,” an American League scout said. “He’s very impressive across the board.”
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=10406
I doubt that, but it seems to me he’s like Kuroda.
And his name anagrams to
I saw his umiak — ah!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Party pooper
What the Dodgers are most likely to do in the next few weeks
Sign Kuroda and Padilla to one-year deals.
Non-tender Martin and Sherrill
Tender Loney, Billingsley, Kuo and Theriot
The big issue remains LF, I can’t say I have any real sense on what they will do for that position but it won’t be an in-house solution.
They can also lose 90 games with that roster. All it takes is some very predictable things to go wrong: Kuroda almost certainly will spend time on the DL. So will Padilla. So will Furcal. Lilly will give up a lot of home runs. Kemp might not bounce back, or might not bounce back enough.
You can say, “Well, sure, but every team is like that” and say I’m being overly negative, but I don’t think I am. I think that lineup can win 90 games (with someone like Werth in LF) if everything goes right. But some things will go wrong, and it might be likely that a lot of things will go wrong.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Or we could be like the giants, every single thing will go right, and we’ll win the Series!
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Here’s hoping. Clink!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I had my liver replaced with a team of monkeys. My blood runs through their livers. As the monkeys die, I simply replace them with new monkeys. It’s brilliant.
Of course, I have to carry the monkeys wherever I go. That can be embarrassing. Still, it’s worth it.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
but at least you can throw shit at Giants fans and people who talk in movies and blame it on the monkeys.
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
Classic Dana Gould
[JFK’s brain inside a monkey]
[in thick Boston accent]
“I throw my feces at the wall because it’s there.”
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Kuroda made 31 starts in his first and third years
That’s one off from not missing any starts for a 3, 4, or 5 starter. His second year he lost starts to the line drive off the noggin, then the bulging disk problem in his neck, which may have been related to how he came back from the concussion (I might be reaching on this last part). In any case, “almost certainly will spend time on the DL” sounds like a bit much to me.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Right, the oblique
which he seems fully recovered from. Notably missing are any reports of elbow or shoulder issues.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Before this year, the CW on this site was skepticism that Kuroda would not miss any starts. He didn’t — well, maybe one — but now is a year older. He’ll be 36. Maybe he’ll be OK again, but I think any plan has to assume he’ll make at least one trip to the DL.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Planning is one thing
You have to plan for contingencies. You have to plan that some of your starters will miss some starts; that’s why all that AAAA dreck lives on. But I don’t think you plan that Kuroda goes down and that Billingsley doesn’t. It could be any of them.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Clayton Kershaw just converted to the Church of Scientology.
Lets see if the Dodgers planned for that.
You have to ignore
the bat-shit crazy stuff Tripon says sometimes.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
No, I disagree. Age is a factor. Do you think Billingsley and Kuroda are equally likely to spend time on the DL next year?
Maybe you do, and maybe they are — but we had better hope not.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Not equally likely
but the contingency planning is the same.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That’s true, but the choice isn’t between Kuroda and Billingsley.
Kuroda may in fact be the best choice, since the Dodgers have limited resources. But there are better pitchers than Kuroda and younger/healthier(?) pitchers than Kuroda. I’m saying that in signing Kuroda the Dodgers ahve to make a backup plan that involves a AAAA guy. That’s OK. And maybe Kuroda won’t get hurt and everything will go perfectly and they won’t have to go to that backup plan.
But my argument is that the number Delias picked — 90 wins — is the team’s ceiling if everything goes right — including Kuroda making 30+ starts. And as they have to start falling back on backup plans, you can start ticking off wins from there. What I’m further saying is that the things that could go wrong aren’t just “things that could go wrong,” which everyone has. I’m not talking about guys like Billingsley or Kershaw spending significant time on the DL, which would kill any team. I’m talking about things that are likely to go wrong — and as they do, 90 wins will slip away.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I keep hearing that Kuroda is going back to Japan
Fuck the Giants, fuck the Rangers, fuck this whole damn World Series.
by drulenarendes on Nov 2, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Leverage
I would say that too if it could get me more money.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Kuroda
but I don’t want to pay him 13 million a year again. He’s not getting any younger.
Fuck the Giants, fuck the Rangers, fuck this whole damn World Series.
by drulenarendes on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Good thing we didn’t. We paid him $11 million a year. I hate heavily back loaded contracts because it screws up the decision to offer arbitration or not.
Offer arbitration to Kuroda and he accepts, and he can get $14 million from the Dodgers next year based on a decision made 3 years ago by Colletti and his agent.
Moot point in this case
The contract with Kuroda doesn’t permit the Dodgers to offer arb.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Don’t think they resign Padilla
Don’t think they non tender Martin
When you say not in-house regarding LF do you consider Podboy an in-house solution since he’s already on the team?
When does Podboy have to decide on his option by? Or is it automatically voided with the plate appearances?
It’s usually by the time free agency opens, which in this case is Saturday.
I suspect we will hear something this week.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
He can get that on the open market.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Can he get that and a starting job? He might come back based primarily that the Dodgers would be more willing than most to give him 600 PAs.
That doesn’t bode well for next season if Pods is the everyday LF.
Fuck the Giants, fuck the Rangers, fuck this whole damn World Series.
by drulenarendes on Nov 2, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the move for Podsednik is to void the option, take the $100,000 buyout, and try to earn more than $1.9m (difference in salary and buyout) as a free agent. Based on one decent year with the Sox, he got $1.85m guaranteed from KC; I think he can get at least that, if not more, based on two very similar years back to back.
He might not get much more than that, but he can try for a second year in FA, but if he doesn’t get it he can settle for somewhere near the $1.9 million. It’s worth the risk.
If he comes back to the Dodgers, I think it will be on a new deal, rather than the option.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I would like to see what Austin Kearns could do for us, especially if we are able to upgrade 1B or 3B.
Speak of the devil
The Dodgers exercised the option today. Now Podsednik has 48 hours to accept or decline it.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
for 2 million....
we could do worse.
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
wouldn’t be surprised if he gets to keep it either way.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
For instance
Yorvit Torrealba declined his mutual option for 2011, and received his $500,000 buyout.
Sometimes there are different buyout amounts depending on whom declines the option (see Garland last year).
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they will save $100k.
They want him back, especially at $2 million.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Dunn is not going to be a Dodger.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I know. I just can’t imagine anyone thinking a starting lineup that includes Pods, Loney, and Theriot is going to challenge for anything other than 4th place in the West.
and around and around we go.
Everything went right for the Giants. Nobody, not even me, is saying that things are hopeless for 2011. What the negative nellies like me are saying is that it’s a bad bet. Bad bets do pay off sometimes, but not often enough to make it worth it.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 2, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I hoping the next move for LAD..
is giving CBills a 3 yr deal to extend him a yr beyond FA.
$4M / year for the rest of his life
Done.
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I'll be
dead or 129 years old in 2090; fuck it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
or
sign him for 25 yrs/ 25 million like what Buss did for Magic.
"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
adjust for inflation and the difference in salaries from 1985 to 2011
25 years/200mil
Five zombies. Four bullets. Two zombies.
That'll teach him.
Former Giants star Barry Bonds was issued a ticket for talking on his cell phone [while driving] Monday night, just as his former team was celebrating its first World Series title since moving to San Francisco.
The violation will cost baseball’s all-time home run king around $125.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_16500264?nclick_check=1
Now he's definitely not going to the HoF
Fuck the Giants, fuck the Rangers, fuck this whole damn World Series.
by drulenarendes on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Is that how much a ticket is for talking on your cell phone while driving? That’s a lot more than I thought.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 2, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He should have texted. Only 25 for that. I tried texting while driving in gridlock traffic the other day just to see how stupid it was, and I got frustrated trying to do it.
You haven’t lived until you have posted the “We Win” photo in the comments while driving.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 2, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
weird
cause I always have thought texting was a much more distracting task, therefore it deserves a stronger penalty.
"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
Profiling!
Heh. No that made me LOL.
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Updated 40-Man Roster (as of 11/2/10)
PITCHERS (16)
Ronald Belisario
Chad Billingsley (arb eligible)
Jonathan Broxton
Scott Elbert
John Ely
Javy Guerra
Kenley Jansen
Clayton Kershaw
Hong-Chih Kuo (arb eligible)
Brent Leach
Ted Lilly
Jon Link
Carlos Monasterios
Travis Schlichting
George Sherrill (arb eligible)
Ramon Troncoso
CATCHERS (2)
A.J. Ellis
Russell Martin (arb eligible)
INFIELDERS (9)
Casey Blake
Jamey Carroll
Ivan De Jesus
Rafael Furcal
Chin-lung Hu
John Lindsey
James Loney (arb eligible)
Russ Mitchell
Ryan Theriot (arb eligible)
OUTFIELDERS (6)
Andre Ethier
Matt Kemp
Trent Oeltjen
Xavier Paul
Scott Podsednik (mutual option)
Trayvon Robinson
So we have 7 free spots
Prior to any non-tenders. I didn’t realize Oeltjen was on our 40-man. For some reason I assumed he was a FA.
Are we this broke?
The Dodgers are now suing small businesses
These things are always dicey
they have to protect their trademark or they could lose it.
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Sure
and it is probably a case of that. But they actually are obligated to defend their trademark, or they can lose it.
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Protecting your trademarks and intellectual might seem silly
until you are the one that losing money and reputation from it.
I don’t understand what the trademark is. Is it the font that its written in? It doesn’t say Dodgers. Can you trademark a font?
If so, then maybe the Dodgers will sue the Royals too. After all, KC uses a similar font.
Fuck the Giants, fuck the Rangers, fuck this whole damn World Series.
by drulenarendes on Nov 2, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
They protect the usage
when it comes to using the names Brooklyn and Los Angeles.
This is a non-story.
Exactly
Y’all should read Bob T’s comments under that thread for an explanation of what it means (and skip the trollish comments around it).
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It looks like the script Brooklyn
on the front of Brooklyn Dodger uniforms, which the Dodgers apparently still own the rights to.
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DFA candidates from list
Sherrill…Lindsey…Leach…Theriot?…maybe Oeltjen—who is he
what about Brian Cavazos-Galvez
i know BCG is a little old A- and A+ but i think he deserves a shot at AA, he can steal, hit for a little power, and average. If kyle russell got some love last year why can BCG, i will vote for him if he is considered, i think he could be 9 or 10 depending on who is left, i put him ahead of withrow, miller, and martin. just my opinion
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and he doesnt strikeout as much as K. Russell, not even close
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by Chuy Gutierrez on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
BCG
BCG is one of our best pure hitters with some pop…we will never walk much maybe 5%..but who cares if he hits .300 and hits 20-25 hrs..In some ways he reminds me of Vlad..any pitch that looks like he can hit it is a good one vs just a strike.
BCG should go to AA and that really test him..that opens up A+ to BSmith,Songco and maybe Landry (CF)..and later in yr..Akins
out of the 3 names you said Smith songco landry
i think BCG is the most deserving to get a shot at AA
Akins, I dont know why he played in Arizona and ogden again this year, hopefully he starts at A+ and if he continues to do great he gets a call to AA like K. Russell
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by Chuy Gutierrez on Nov 2, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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