Dodgers 200 Minor League Countdown: 200 - 191
Welcome again to the most comprehensive analysis of the Dodgers minor league system. For the 3rd straight year, I am going to provide a summary of virtually every player in the Dodgers minor league system as of November 30th who meets the following qualifications: (1) played in the Dodgers minor league system during 2010, or was injured during the entire 2010 season; (2) is still within the Dodgers organization as of season end; (3) is under 28 years old as of Opening Day 2011; and (4) the player is still considered a prospect by Baseball America standards, which means that pitchers must have less than 50 innings pitched in the majors, and hitters must have less than 130 at bats in the majors. Like Baseball America, I do not take into account service time, and therefore it is possible that I have included prospects who will not technically be rookies in 2011.
I know that writing up 200 players seems a little excessive, especially since the majority of these players are obviously not prospects. However, I really look at this as a “get to know your Dodger minor league system”. My goal is for Dodger fans to know at least a little something about all players in the Dodgers system because it makes looking at the minor league box scores more fun. There won’t just be a bunch of names, but instead players that fans have at least heard of.
Even still, the 1st half of this list still might seem a little bit mundane, but the way you have to look at it is that you never know when a player will have a breakout season. For example, I ranked Rafael Ynoa #172 last year because he had been terrible, but after a solid 2010 he has moved up the prospect charts significantly. Similarly, Allen Webster was #100 on my 2009 list, and now he is a top prospect, so you never know.
What also makes this fun is that because this is the 3rd year I am doing this, you can track where each player has ranked over the past few seasons. So you can see whether a player has made moved up or down my list over the years. I’ve included where each prospect played in 2010, how each was acquired by the Dodgers, their height, weight, and age as of opening day 2011, and finally their 2010 combined minor league statistics. I will generally post 10 players at a time, and will be posting 1 to 2 times a week. My goal is to finish my posting before 2011 Spring Training starts.
200. Ricardo Rivas, RHP (21 IP in the Pioneer League in 2010)
Signed by the Dodgers out of an open tryout in March of 2010
6’1”, 180 lbs, 27 years old
2-1, 10.29 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, 4.82 FIP, 7.29 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
When the Dodgers held an open tryout in March of 2010, 85 athletes showed up hoping to make their baseball dream come true. At the end of the day, only one player was signed by the Dodgers, and it was Ricardo “Ricky” Rivas. When I initially heard about this signing, I really didn’t understand it because Rivas was already 26 years old, so unless he was flashing a 98 mph fastball it seemed like a waste of time. Well at the end of the day it probably was a waste because the Dodgers ended up assigning Rivas to the Pioneer Rookie League where he was terrible despite playing against much younger competition. In case you are interested in his background, Rivas was a 48th round pick out of El Paso Community College in 2004, however he did not sign and played two years at Oklahoma State. Prior to getting a job with the Dodgers, Ricky was playing independent baseball for his hometown El Paso Diablos. I doubt that Rivas will be in the Dodgers organization in 2011.
For propsects 191 - 199, please
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’1”, 192 lbs, 22.75 years old, switch hitter
.205 average, .590 OPS, 0 HR’s, 3 RBI’s, 0 SB
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
It’s really a mystery as to why the Dodgers signed Frank De Jesus in 2010. He was a 22 year old international free agent without any baseball experience, and the DSL Dodgers were already stocked with 6 other guys capable of playing catcher. The only thing he has going for him is that he is a switch hitter, but that doesn’t matter when you only hit .162 against right handed pitchers. If he were 18 that would have been one thing, but why sign a 22 year old? Maybe he is a relative of Ivan De Jesus, and they were doing him a favor. Anyways, to nobody’s surprise he had a terrible season, and it’s almost a given that he will not be back in the organization next year.
198. Jose Lugo, C (25 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2009
6’1”, 200 lbs, 20.75 years old, bats right handed
.176 average, .479 OPS, 0 HR’s, 7 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 176; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Jose Lugo was terrible for the Dominican Dodgers in 2009, and even worse in 2010. One of 7 catchers on the team, Lugo actually caught the 2nd most games for the Dodgers this past year, but did absolutely nothing at the plate. The young Venezuelan recorded just 1 extra base hit on the year, and had a dismal slugging percentage of .196. While he may find his way back on to the DSL Dodgers again next season, the 20 year old will clearly never play baseball in the United States.
197. J.J. Whetsel, RHP (33.2 IP in the Pioneer League in 2010)
Non Drafted Free Agent signed by the Dodgers on 3/29/10
6’1”, 190 lbs, 26.25 years old
0-0, 7.75 ERA, 1.93 WHIP, 5.90 FIP, 7.22 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
J.J. Whetsel was signed by the Dodgers as a non drafted free agent just a few days before the 2010 season. In 2009, he had played for the Sioux City Explorers of the American Association Independent League, and before that played his college ball at Troy University. Even though he was already 25 years old when he signed, the Dodgers assigned Whetsel to the Pioneer Rookie League where he struggled mightily. He had awful stats, but the one that stood out was that he allowed 7 homers in just 33.2 innings. I’m going to venture a guess that Whetsel will not be in the Dodgers organization next season.
196. Aris Angeles, RHP (13.1 innings in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’0”, 179 lbs, 21.5 years old
1-0, 6.08 ERA, 2.70 WHIP, 5.60 FIP, 10.80 K/9
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Aris was signed by the Dodgers prior to the 2010 season even though he was already 20 years old. He was used sparingly throughout the season, appearing in only 10 games and throwing just 13.1 innings. As you can see from his terrible WHIP, Angeles allowed way too many base runners in his limited time on the mound and is much too old to ever make an impact with the Dodgers. It’s too bad because his name would have fit perfectly in Los Angeles.
195. Angelo Ponte, C (11 games in Arizona Rookie League in 2010)
Non Drafted Free Agent signed by the Dodgers on 6/15/10
5’11”, 215 lbs, 24.25 years old, bats right handed
.152 average, .415 OPS, 0 HR’s, 3 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Angelo Ponte wasn’t drafted in 2010 after playing his college ball at Fordham University, but was signed by the Dodgers shortly after draft day by the Dodgers. As most people know, Fordham was the college that Vin Scully graduated from, so there are some ties between the school and the Dodgers. In his 4 years at Fordham, Ponte had a career .283 average and only hit 4 home runs, so he obviously doesn’t have much upside. He is also already 24 years old and had a terrible time in the Arizona Rookie League, although he only played in 11 games. I’m not sure if Ponte is worth keeping around, although like other light hitting catchers he does give the Dodgers some extra bodies who can catch the ball in spring training.
194. Railing Feliz, C (14 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
5’11”, 184 lbs, 19.75 years old, bats right handed
.182 average, .482 OPS, 0 HR’s, 1 RBI, 0 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Railing Feliz has a great name, but that’s about the only thing that he has going for him. The young man from the Dominican Republic was with the Dominican Dodgers all year, as his appearances were spread throughout the season, but he only got into 14 games. And when he did play, his stats were awful as you can see from his .182 average. While he did play most of the year as an 18 year old, that isn’t an excuse in the Dominican Summer League as the league is full of teenagers. The Dodgers may bring back Feliz for one more season if they need depth at catcher, but even that seems unlikely at this point.
193. David Iden, 2B (30 games in Arizona Rookie League in 2010)
Drafted by Dodgers 2009, 35th round
5’9”, 160 lbs, 24 years old, bats right handed
.267 average, .663 OPS, 1 HR’s, 14 RBI’s, 5 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: 175; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
A late round pick for the Dodgers in 2009 out of Cal Lutheran University, David Iden is the type of player who just wanted a chance to prove himself. Upon being drafted by the Dodgers, Iden was “ecstatic... relieved…and anxious”. At Cal Lutheran, the Thousand Oaks native was a career .343 hitter, and ranked in the school’s top 10 for career RBI’s (100), runs scored (121), and stolen bases (63). Unfortunately, Iden has done nothing to prove himself in his two years as a professional. In 2009, he was sent to the Pioneer League and struggled to produce. He was then demoted to the Arizona Rookie League in 2010 despite being already 23 years old, and hit only .267 in 30 games, with 1 HR and 5 SB’s. At 5’9” Iden is undersized, which is another thing working against him, and with two bad seasons under his belt he’s a candidate to be released.
192. Gabriel Gutierrez, C (5 games in HiA in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2002
5’11”, 190 lbs, 27.25 years old, bats right handed
.368 average, .850 OPS, 0 HR’s, 2 RBI’s, 0 SB’s, bats right handed
Pre 2010 Rank: 187; Pre 2009 Rank: 161
The Mexican born Gutierrez was on loan to the Diablos Rojos of the Mexican League for almost the entire season, where he hit .283 in 106 at bats with just 8 RBI’s. I’m not exactly sure how the loaning of players works, but he was one a few players in the Dodgers organization to play in the Mexican League in 2010. Gutierrez returned to the USA and played with the 66ers for the final week of the season where he hit pretty well in limited at bats. An interesting thing about Gutierrez is that he has been in the Dodgers organization since 2002, making one of the longest tenured players in the organization. By my count, only a few players like James Loney, Jonathan Broxton, and minor leaguer Eduardo Perez have been around longer. Since Gutierrez is a catcher, he continues to provide value to the team during times such as spring training, so he’ll probably stick around for at least another year. However he is a minor league free agent and an organizational player at best, so he might just play full time in Mexico.
191. Ricardo De La Rosa, OF (35 games in DSL in 2010)
Signed by Dodgers in 2010
6’0”, 184 lbs, 19.75 years old, bats right handed
.163 average, .517 OPS, 0 HR’s, 4 RBI’s, 2 SB’s
Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Even though he was born in the same city as Rubby De La Rosa (Santo Domingo, DR), I’m pretty sure that Ricardo is not the brother of Rubby. It is possible they are related, but I couldn’t find any mention of it on the internet. Even if they are related, I don’t think that it would matter because Ricardo is going nowhere fast. The light hitting outfielder got into 35 games, but only accumulated 49 at bats for the entire season. His only hits were 8 singles, so his OPS was a measly .517 for the year. The only positive stat for the 19 year old was his walk to strikeout ratio, as he walked 14 times and stuck out in just 11 plate appearances. He is another player who may or may not be back next year.
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Part of me
Enjoys reading about these crappy minor leaguers with no potential more than our brawls about Dee Gordon and Kyle Russell. Reading these guys, I almost feel like I could almost put up these numbers.
seeing guys like this in the minor leagues pisses me off because I actually could have put up these numbers.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
It makes me realize I could have never made it when I see someone that was the man in college like David Iden bomb so hard.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
I think 4Iron is hanging out in the wrnog area
Finally 100% broke it off with the girlfriend on Friday, and I already have 3 dates lined up for next weekend with cute girls I met just out running errands.
My WAR is higher than I thought.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
wouldn't that be more
BABIP? I mean, you just chat up these girls and get dates? sounds like luck….. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
I was 3 for 4. I didn’t see the ring on the fourth woman’s finger. She said “i don’t think my husband would approve”. I laughed and walked away.
Delias man….no faith!
It was easy. First one was in front of me at the bank, second one at the mall, third was as I was walking into work this morning.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
it makes it harder
because I could have done my banking and shopping online and never seen another face.
because we get so used to leaving a text message/e-mail/wall post/IM and getting back to it later and having time to think of our responses, that we’re scared of actual conversation with strangers. Even a ‘Good Morning’ has turned into a head nod and a fake smile.
and lastly, it’s harder to meet people these days because the pace of life has hastened so much that instead of thinking ‘this might be fun’ we think ‘do I have time?’
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Its also a different attitude to the technology
some people(not me) actually use facebook and myspace to connect with people.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I'll admit
there’s a girl at work I kind of like and first went to her facebook to see if it said she was in a relationship before pursuing it further.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
exactly
and you can check her interests, which then allows that initial conversation to go much smoother.
Yep
it helps that I refuse to talk about the weather unless it leads to someplace she’s been and the weather there compared to here, or some variation of that. Talking about the weather to someone standing directly next to you is a waste of both your lives.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
so todays technology
makes a more informed decision on hitting on girls (single, shared interests, etc) as well as makes its much more accessible (rather than ONLY reaching them when they are at home, you can now txt, voicemail – rather than answering machine – email, facebook, tweet, etc… most of these far less invasive as calling their home)
Don’t get me wrong, it’s easier to find out about them, for sure, but the ability to actually do anything about it, or the ability to actually have a conversation once you start dating, has faded.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
i refuse to believe the conversation is dead
and i dont think you realize how limiting a world without cell phones was when it comes to access to people.
Good chance you're right
but you’re also a little older than I am, I think. People my age do not remember life pre-computers and, in most cases, never used a floppy disk. The internet came around when I was about 9, so for almost my entire social lifetime I have been connected to the Matrix.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
i've always been plugged online as well
(started with BBS’, moved onto AOL, then IRC, etc). But back then, very few people used it and today the majority of people use it. So like when I was a senior in high school, lots of people used the internet but no where to the extent of today. And cell phones were still just phones and only a few people had them. You still had to call home to reach people, in general.
i agree
the art of conversation is lost and has been replaced with short succinct text msgs and telling facial expressions & tone replaced by emoticons.
i would say
the percentage of people 10, 20 years ago having conversations in line at the bank compared to today is fairly minuscule.
Back in the day, the bank teller asked me out. (True.) At least I knew that she knew that I didn’t have much money.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone always thinks things are getting worse
when in reality the tend to actually be getting better.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Paul McCartney
agrees with that sentiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0dBZ1meio
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
My second favorite song on Pepper. Behind the all-time classic ADITL, of course.
by silverwidow on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
a guy at the bank the other day was telling me all about how he was about to go blow his entire disability check at a strip club because he did not really need that money. Why did he think I was interested?
Your “Wild Goose” T-shirt?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Revise the joke to “Bare Elegance” then.
Someone took me to the Goose in 1983 or 1984, my first year working in the area. Never been back.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, that sucks
but I’m glad you are meeting people?
to paraphrase the words of Delias man…I got 20 year olds stashed in places I don’t even know about.
"Are you telling me they are out of dragons?"
"They never had dragons!"
"Who didn't?"
"The world!"
Didn't see this coming
BCSFootball Sources: TCU accepts invitation to join Big East: TCU has accepted an invitation to join the Big East, sources say. http://es.pn/gWjha9
I knew there was a rumor, but it seemed like a stupid rumor.
East is just a state of mind I guess.
gotta make the ones for the non-prospects interesting somehow!
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 29, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
I started to copy and paste some winners, but there were too many. You should throw in a fake name and writeup just to see if anyone catches it. I sure wouldn’t!
That would be awesome. Got to be really over the top with the scouting report. Somebody with a fastball that tops out at 78 and lacking any secondary pitches.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
sick burn
but I at least threw 88 with a sick slider.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
I’d whiff at all that every time. But I’m nearly 50 years old! (Even back in the day.)
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't a knuckeball a secondary pitch?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a lastiary pitch. The last thing a guy tries to have a career.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I meant to ask
Did you use to do this on the old scout.com message board? I remember someone used to do a top 200 and I was similarly amazed. It has to be you.
yeah that was me
prior to the 2009 season I just posted it on scout.com, then last season I posted it both here and there. This year i’m just posting it here of course
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 29, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Glad Badgers edged out Ohio State in the BCS
Great weekend of college football unless your a fan of the non relevant Los Angeles schools.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Michigan State should be ahead of both of them…
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Wisconsin started the year ranked higher than MSU, so that’s where they are. Both are 1 loss teams, except MSU beat Wisconsin.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
If MSU had OSU on their schedule this year
they would have two losses. I really believe the Badgers are better and would totally bet on them in a re-match. I’m glad the BCS is more then just how they did head to head two months ago.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Prepare to be outraged
Buster_ESPN Sources: Juan Uribe is closing in on a three-year deal with the Dodgers.
3 year deal?!?!?!
3 year deal = Regrettable
Signing him in general = potentially good.
He’ll either revert back to crappiness of previous years, or he’ll get revenge on former team and be a marked improvement over the other options.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i saw that too
Very very skeptical, but I’m wondering if Ned is thinking of making him the 3B after this year since Casey should be gone.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Is Uribe better defensively at 2nd than at 3rd and SS?
I assumed so but wasn’t sure. I don’t know if I like him at 3rd.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I believe
he’s pretty good at all three spots.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
He is a career 3.4 UZR/150 at SS. The sample sizes at the other two positions are too small, but good. I can’t believe he’s that good a SS given his body type. He’s kinda Roly-Poly II. Career TSL: .256/ .300 / .431, wOBA: .312, wRC+ 83.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
But whenever he stands next to Panda Sandoval he looks positively trim
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Defensively he can probably handle 3rd base
but if he’s your offensive 3rd baseman you might want to have Prince Fielder at 1st or Ryan Braun in LF.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Argh, 3 year deal?
If this happens, look for Podz to be signed for LF and your lineup is:
Furcal
Podboy
Ethier
Kemp
Uribe
Blake
Loney
Barajas/Ellis
to be fair, few of us expected the Dodgers to sign 3 solid FA pitchers
and sign Uribe, so I am done being sure about anything.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well, at least the pitching is good.
In that lineup, Loney, Pods and the catchers are below average hitters for their position and that trend is almost certain to continue next season.
Hoping for the best, Blake would be average, and Uribe and Furcal have another year like last year (and they’d be above average.) A rebound from Kemp and Ethier would make 4 above average hitters.
This could work I guess.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Loney also won't be as putrid next year
as he was in the 2nd half last year.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
3 years of ‘production’ indicate that Loney is a below average hitting first baseman.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Come on man
I said he wouldn’t be as bad as he was in the 2nd half last year, not that he would become an above average first baseman.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I'm pretty sure he won't put up an ops of .616 next year
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
In that case, your comment isn’t a reply to my point.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
You where talking about whether the offense would be good enough
and in that you talked about Kemp and Etheir bouncing back, and I wanted to point out that Loney will probably also “bounce back”, even if it is to crummy instead of putrid.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
But on that note, Loney was the reason I put almost certain to continue. In case Loney roided up all winter.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
What was the longest contract Juan Gonzalez got, I want to know if the Dodgers have the record for most years overpaying someone named Juan.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Ha!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps he takes less per year
to get that 3rd year?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
that's what i was thinking
becauase i thought maybe 1 year at $5M to $6M, so the longer contract might mean less per year
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 29, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
How much would we have to offer Juan Uribe for Sabean to go “whoa, I don’t think I want to pay that much for Juan Uribe”
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
There was a report
they where only offering Juan 1/5.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I don't trust buster
maybe we will get a discount for buying in bulk.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I trust him enough
His analysis is weak, but he seems well enough plugged in to not make this kind of shit up.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
If true, i’m going to have a hard time rooting for him. I fucking hate the way he finishes his swing when he thinks he hits a homer. I’m fine with a little showboating, but dude is just ridiculous.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 29, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
He seems to finish his swing that way on almost all contact.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing I pre-wrote a bunch of shit yesterday
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
heh
i was close to saying “I bet Eric is writing the post as we speak” when the interest was first announced.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the hope was that the Giants would use the WS win as an opportunity to re-sign a bunch of their magic lottery tickets and we could take advantage of such foolishness. Now we’re the ones trying to sign all the Giants FAs.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I read this as
Screw you, Ivan.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Ivan hasn’t demonstrated he’s ready.
I say it’s more of a “screw you” Theriot.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
It's both
a three year deal flips Theriot the bird today and tells Ivan he should start looking into a permanent address in ABQ.
Maybe this works out as a way to have some stability in 2012 with Uribe taking over for Furcal or Blake, but I still think that’s overpaying for certainty instead of performance.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Our big offensive signing of the year!
Seriously, I would rather just have Ivan DeJesus play near replacement level and hopefully figure it out somehow than give Uribe a three year deal.
We will have to see what the terms are if this comes to pass, but I don’t like the 3 year deal either. That said, I don’t think he will be our only offensive signing of the offseason. I see a LFer being brought in as well.
I could see the third year of this deal
being the thing that allows us to sign another player this year. Could that third year be largely backloaded allowing Ned to grab another bat out there and, using the McCourt Way, worry about the money later.
Would be funny to everyone but Dodger fans
if they sign Uribe not to be the starting 2nd baseman but the starting 3rd baseman, and also offer Theriot arbitration, then plan on moving Blake to LF in a platoon with Gibbons.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Horrifyingly plausible.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
[hides head under table and gasps in horror]
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
In 2.5 years as a Dodger, Blake has seen exactly 2 innings in the OF, in 2009. Maybe Mattingly / Hillman will look at him differently than Torre / Schaefer did.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
When we signed him as a FA
he said he had gotten more interest as an outfielder.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers since 2008
Has traded Andy LaRoche, Blake DeWitt, Carlos Santana and Josh Bell, all possible 3B internal replacements.
I find it hilarious that because the Dodgers didn’t trust DeWitt or LaRoche in 2008, they traded Santana for Casey Blake. Then shipped off LaRoche in the Manny trade, DeWitt in the Lilly/Theriot trade, and Bell in the Sherrill trade.
BHSportsGuy would probably say management just thought they weren’t good enough. Eric would make fun of me and call me a bitch for bringing this shit up again. They both might be right.
But I still find it hilarious that a team trades all of its 3B depth so its forced to sign Juan Uribe to a 3 year deal.
Uribe is not playing third base though.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe not this year
but what about 12?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Blake?
I gotta think he is packing his locker for good, at the end of 2011. I can see an infield of Sands, De Jesus, Gordon and Uribe for 2012.
by dangerisland on Nov 29, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I can see an infield of Sands, De Jesus, Gordon and Uribe for 2012.
No chance in hell.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Uribe is here to play 2B a lot, and SS when Furcal rests or, God forbid, is injured, and backup 3B perhaps.
And claiming Santana as 3B depth is a reach, I think. He was converted to C for a reason.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
NFC West is a mess
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Dare I ask how old Uribe is?
3 years seems like a long time for a guy I picture as being pretty old.
He’ll be 31 in July, so actually still pretty young.
Funny, I pictured him to be a switch hitter and he is not.
Like mintxcore, I thought he was a lot older. Let’s see what the contract looks like, but he’s at least better than Theriot.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
fangraphs on the Garland signing. I think they overlook the incentives that would drive his 2011 salary up to $8M; doesn’t he have to be close to a 2 WAR player to be “worth” $8M?
Based on his solid 2008 and 2009 – 4.2 combined WAR – Garland is a good bet to produce at least one win above replacement in 2011, essentially the value of what the Dodgers will play him. As the fifth starter, many teams can (and will) do worse. Outside of his performance, Garland also brings decent depth to the Dodgers rotation, making this low-risk move a no-brainer for Los Angleles and Ned Colletti.Of course, innings eaters do help on the bullpen wear and tear, which is worth a little something.
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OT: James Franco and Anne Hatheway
to host the Oscars…. they are really trying to capture a youth audience but this just smells like a disaster to me. A really boring disaster.
unless Franco arrives high
ya, i think it’ll be pretty dull. I haven’t watched a complete oscars show in years.
I am a fan of both
as well as Anne’s two friends
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
What if he saws his arm off live on stage?
(Actually you can kind of count on some sort of gag there.)
Yeah, I miss Billy Crystal.
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I recently saw “Hearts and Minds” which features Hope’s “captive audience” joke to a group of recently returned Vietnam P.O.W.s. Have to admit he had some pelotas.
Watch the Criterion DVD of it, pretty great
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A wOBA in the low-.300s [like Martin’s] is pretty bad compared to average, of course, but for a catcher, particularly in 2010′s run environment, it is actually pretty decent…. despite the poor offensively (sic) seasons [2009-2010] measured against league average, he still (sic – hit) well enough to be an above average player at catcher…. Given that even the most durable catcher rarely plays 150 games and (sic – is) also aging, we’d estimate Martin to be a 2-2.5 win player for 2011. Not a star, but definitely worthy of starting.And probably worth what they can sign him for.
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If they sign Uribe they kind of need to sign
Martin to offset the bad OBP from Uribe. You can’ t have both Uribe and Barajas in the lineup.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Mike from
MSTI made the original point, so it is not an original thought.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Good point
My fear is that Uribe puts up a .280ish OBP and comes up over 500 times. That will really suck to watch.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
He could possibly threaten Marquis Grissom for the worst 20+ HR season in Dodger history.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
If you include defense, didn’t Matt Kemp do that last year? ;-)
(I know how awful Grissom’s season was.)
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
yes that is my hope as well
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I’ve been hoping that Martin returns anyway, if healthy. As down as he was, he’s still ahead of Barajas or Ellis.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder what Vin is doing today?
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
basking
in awesome
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Being as cool as the other side of a pillow.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
666. Nice.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t he make just $3.25 mil last year? Reminds me of overpaying to keep Sabean’s hands off JP.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
i’ve been at Dodger Stadium for a few big roars, among them: David Ross walkoff against the Rockies, Bobbleslam, Manny’s pinch hit HR this season, RAUUUUUUULLLLL
But I still think the loudest cheers of anxiety I’ve ever heard was everytime Dave Roberts got to first base.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
7 mil a year?
wonder if it’s structured like that.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
7 7 7
Uribe hitting the jackpot?

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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like it
also, rec’d
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Insane!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
(my quick lady-n-blue impression)
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers would likely play Uribe at second base next season. He played at shortstop, second base and third for the Giants. The Dodgers would likely then non-tender Ryan Theriot, last season’s second baseman who was acquired from the Chicago Cubs along with Ted Lilly.
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Thats a whole lotta cash. Uribe will likely return to his pre-Giants suckfest and we’ll be stuck with another crappy contract. Hooray.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve heard that years 11, 12, and 13 of your career are your best years
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Are we bidding against ourselves?
jeez
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
See, we did have money. Hah
@SI_JonHeyman: uribe getting close to 3-yr deal with #dodgers, not quite finished yet but word is, its worth about $22 mil
that is ridiculous
i was waiting to post till i heard a $ amount. I thought “if it’s under 15 mil, it’s a good deal.” Colletti worked magic with Kuroda and Garland and got them for under market value. 7 mil a year is WAY over uribe’s market value.
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
On the bright side, there’s a decent chance he’ll be better than Theriot next year, so we did get better.
But the 15 million we’re throwing at Garland and Uribe could have got us one hell of a player.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Kind of what I was thinking
What would you rather have:
Theriot, Ely, Dunn
or
Uribe, Garland
I still tend to fall back on having a fifth starter I can trust, though.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
I guess
Uribe’s versatility is really what sold Ned and I could see us needing a 3B or SS down the line when Blake and Furcal fall apart but I refuse to believe there wont be better, cheaper alternatives down the line. Thou I do understand by he chose Uribe over someone like Bill Hall (did he ever prove himself after that first year or two?!)
sure hope they didn't blow it all on this.
maybe still some left for Berkman in LF?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Not that it matters, often it doesn’t, but Berkman didn’t list the Dodgers among interested teams.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Similar 2010 Stats
AB 602 H 150 HR 28 RBI 89 BB 53 K 170 OPS 760 2011 PAY $7.1 MIL – KEMP
AB 521 H 129 HR 24 RBI 85 BB 45 K 92 OPS 749 2011 PAY $7 MIL? – URIBE
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp has upside. That was Uribe’s upside.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
oh yeah, except Uribe can field a hot grounder at 3B, SS, and 2B, bet he can play 1B too?
His years with the White Sox could be what we see more of?
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Of course
this could all be a pre-cursor to the following:
1. The McCourts announce a confidential settlement of their divorce proceedings, wherein Frank retains full ownership of the team;
2. The Dodgers announce an extension to their broadcast deal with Fox Sports West (Prime Ticket) with the addition of adding games after 2013 when their broadcast deal ends with KCAL.
3. The Dodgers announce that McCourt has sold a minority interest in the Dodgers
1. Likely
2. If yes then money to Jamie
3. Provides payroll to compete ’till the contracts in #2 become effective.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
My First Thought Also
Save Frank taking on a partner. He doesn’t play well with others. I think #2 is the most likely reason and has been in the works while waiting for the divorce to go final.
by dangerisland on Nov 29, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
How do Theriot and Uribe match up?
I know Uribe is much more versatile and Uribe has more pop but damn, THAT much more?
Yup. A lot more. The last two years haven’t even been close. Uribe has been MUCH better.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Amazing really
Uribe in2009 actually had a very good offensive season, but could not find any takers and had to resign back with the Giants. He then has a year much worse season in 2010 then 2009, but plays on a WCT and gets a three year deal at twice the salary coming off his very good 2009 season.
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