Dodgers Close To Signing Juan Uribe To Three-Year Deal
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM PST
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First Black Friday, now Cyber Monday: the Los Angeles Dodgers are busy this holiday shopping season. The Dodgers today are on the verge of signing infielder Juan Uribe, as first reported by Buster Olney of ESPN. The deal will be worth a shocking amount of money, $21 million (per Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports) over those three years. Man, three years seems like a long time, and $21-22 million seems like a lot of cash for Uribe. It is really quite shocking when the upper limit seemed something like three years, $18 million. Uribe made $3.25 million with San Francisco last year.
Uribe hit .266/.318/.464 (105 OPS+) in two seasons with the Giants, including a career-high 24 home runs and 85 RBI in 2010. His time in San Francisco was a vast improvement over the rest of his career, with the White Sox and Rockies (.253/.295/.423, 80 OPS+ from 2001-2008). You may remember Uribe from his two-run home run off Jonathan Broxton on September 4, although to be fair it is hard to keep track of Broxton's blown saves in the second half. Or perhaps you remember Uribe and his Dante Bichettian follow through hitting a walk-off home run off Guillermo Mota on August 12, 2009.
The interest in Uribe reminds me of the old joke in which two men hiking in the woods spot a bear. The bear begins to pursue the men, and suddenly one of them stops to change his shoes. The other man says to his friend, "Those shoes won't help you outrun a bear," to which the friend replies, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you!" Uribe isn't the best signing in the world, nor should he be considered the big bat the Dodgers need to contend. But, then again, he doesn't have to be. Uribe just needs to be better than Ryan Theriot at second base.
This move would put the Dodgers' 40-man roster at 39 players, but this move means Theriot will likely get non-tendered on Thursday, so Uribe is really just taking Theriot's roster spot (I expect the same thing will happen to whatever reliever the Dodgers sign to replace fellow non-tender candidate George Sherrill)
Uribe would play mostly second base, but can fill in at shortstop and third base if needed, which is a nice luxury given Rafael Furcal's injury history and the need to rest the 37-year old Casey Blake. Uribe is one of three players (along with Jeff Keppinger and Craig Counsell) to start at least 50 games at second base, third base, and shortstop in the last three seasons. Uribe rates from average (or nearly average) to above average at all three positions defensively:
| Juan Uribe Defensively 2008-2010 | ||||
| Pos | Starts | Innings | UZR | Plus/Minus |
| 2B | 95 | 836.2 | +8.2 | +3 |
| 3B | 107 | 976.1 | +2.0 | +1 |
| SS | 132 | 1,197.2 | -0.4 | +3 |
| Thanks to Fangraphs & Bill James Online | ||||
The last time the Dodgers signed a high-homer, low-OBP former White Sox infielder, they got Jose Valentin and a line of .170/.326/.265 in the debacle that was 2005. Then again, I did like the Valentin signing (one year, $3.5 million) at the time, and he was hurt that year.
Just for fun, I plugged the lineup of Podsednik-Furcal-Ethier-Kemp-Loney-Blake-Uribe-Martin, with their 2011 Bill James Handbook projections (now on Fangraphs!), into the lineup analysis tool on Baseball Musings, and it averaged 4.29 runs per game. Scoring 695 runs (4.29 runs per game) would mean the Dodgers would need to give up about 615 runs to have a pythagorean record of 90-72. That's 28 more runs scored, and 77 fewer runs allowed than in 2010, for example.
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Hers to hoping we saved some money for not Pods
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Sorrier would be going into next season with Theriot as starting 2b tho.
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Were you a fan of the Garland, Lilly or Kuroda signings?
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I was indifferent on Garland, thought signing Lilly so early in the offseason was odd since you could have waited, and was a fan of Kuroda.
I don’t like the Uribe trade because I don’t see the fucking value in it. The one positive is that its an upgrade from Theriot, so is having Jeff Kent come out of retirement and having him give a rim job to Jamie McCourt.
by Tripon on Nov 29, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The thinking on Lilly is that signing him early cost less than when the rejected Cliff Lee suitors start a bidding war.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I was a fan of all three pitching signings. Not as much a fan of giving Uribe 3 years. But I am a fan of upgrading a position that sucked last year. Not sure how you could see zero value in it, even if we can worry about the length.
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Because you could have upgraded 2nd base without signing Juan Uribe.
Here’s an easy one. Install Jamie Carroll as the starting 2nd baseman, and have Hu/DeJesus back up or be Utility infielders.
I could have lived with that plan, because I thought the Dodgers should punt 2011.
But that is not an upgrade over Theriot. If Carroll got injured — or, more realistically, when Furcal got injured and Carroll plays shortstop — 2B is a black hole with De Jesus / Hu.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is that you’re paying $7 million to potentially create that same black hole.
Juan Uribe is not ‘consistent’. He’s the type of player that can hit .300 or .220
Well, look, there’s a limit to my optimism on this. But I really can’t get on board with the idea that Uribe makes the Dodgers worse in 2011 vs, starting Carroll with De Jesus / Hu backing up.
We know all the reasons why this might (and probably is) a bad deal, but he’d have to be about the same level a hitter as Hu or De Jesus to make this deal really that bad. He won’t be: he will be better.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I am not a fan of the length of the deal, and the $7m per is a bit offputting, but the level of anger here is stupefying.
I have zero doubt in my mind that for 2011, Uribe will be better than Theriot, and better than Carroll with Hu/DeJesus as backups.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely Agree!
We are better today than we were three weeks ago. Carroll is best as a backup and De Jesus needs more seasoning. As for Hu, I like the guy’s glove but his offense is nearly as bad as Theriot’s.
by dangerisland on Nov 29, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying yeah
I can see why 3 years is a problem, but I can’t see how he’s not better than the other options, period. Let’s just take money out of this for a second, since they obviously are spending more than predicted and it’s not our money. Uribe is risky but we know some things that he clearly can do better than the other options. I also find WAR to be a bit overrated esp if it’s the main stat people are looking at (just saying this since it was mentioned below).
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We might also be paying
for the lack of any good 2nd baseman on the market.
Yep, that too
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God bless Carroll but he does not seem like he can be productive
as an every day 2B, 150+ games as starter? I don’t think that’s a great plan. He has great value as a backup, though yes DeJesus could also stick as a backup (they usually like to have young guys play every day though instead of sit on the bench in the bigs).
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Because it is very possible we did not upgrade
which is hard to do when the player you trying to upgrade over is Theriot. Uribe peaked once again in 2009, regressed in 2010 and will now continue to regress.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Its easy
when the middle infielder market is week
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
We can talk ourselves into it by assuming Theriot would have been brought back again, for about $6 million, so 2012 is good too! :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
12 and 13 he’ll be a cost savings over what raffy was making.
I’m curious. If Uribe = 1/2 Furcal, does Uribe over 160 games = Furcal over 80?
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Charges were dropped, I think he was exonerated.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
in the knife fight that is the NL West, Juan Uribe is just the fattest knife out there. It’s at least comforting that no one else has a gun (at 2b that is).
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
agree
about the bear metaphor. given the free agent market, uribe fits pretty well in that he can play both 2nd and 3b with good defense and decent pop (comparatively, of course). i just have a real problem with the amount of money they’re paying him.
He’s a 3.4 career UZR/150 SS as well – the position he’s played most in the majors. He’ll be an interesting backup for Furcal.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Context matters here. If they are still going after someone with a pulse to play LF, then this is solid. If this took up that money and Pods is headed back there, then it will be a nightly quest to score.
I think this is right. I don’t know that I buy that Eric’s projected lineup would score 700 runs. And if they don’t, then this move just treads water.
That said, I am done trying to predict what the payroll will be. Clearly it’s higher than many of us thought it would be, and until we know what it is, we can’t judge.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
nightly quest to score
Every game will be IVDown Night at Dodger Stadium?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
define better?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Might as well be the first to say this
But this is such a typical, stupid Ned move.
by BFDC on Nov 29, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This probably means a few things
While they could still have faith in Gordon being a SS in a few years, there is no certainty that there is anyone (DeJesus) in the system ready to step in as a middle infielder for the next 2 years. Also, they like the versatility of Uribe and Carroll and the ability to have them play various infield spots throughout the year.
Finally, looking at Eric’s chart, while this move probably means removing Theriot (another loss for LSU this week) from the roster, it still add 3-4M to the 2011 payroll.
The first time? Or to play 2nd?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Good infield defense
Loney-Uribe-Furcal-Blake is a damn good infield defense, but does that really matter when you have fly ball pitching making up a large portion of your starting rotation?
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Trade for Nyjer Morgan, and now we’ve got something.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
i’d rather have Jacoby Ellsbury.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Oregon State is about to put TCU in the BCS Title game.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Oregon will more than likely
face the team that lost to UCLA and Washington State rather than the one who beat USC
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Teams obviously don't show up
to their biggest rivalry game, duh?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Not gonna happen. Oregon State is going to get demolished.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds great. It just seems so unlikely to happen (not that Nyjer Morgan is particularly realistic.)
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like the length and money
But like others have pointed out, Uribe over Theriot is an upgrade going into next season.
more and more
im getting the feeling this is another McCourt credit card purchase. Making a dumb, expensive purchase you can’t afford but not caring because you don’t have to pay for it for a few years.
Maybe because I like that it makes Tripon go off the handle
But I’m not that upset about this. Is it worse than signing Casey Blake for 3 years after 2008?
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
We are going to be paying him more then Blake
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Casey Blake was arguably the best 3B in that year.
Is Juan Uribe the best MI in the market? Top 5?
At this point, I would rather sign Derek Jeter so we can say fuck you to the Yankees.
The MI market is terrible, so yeah Uribe is probably the best available.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
We are more likely to acquire Nyjer Morgan
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure I can root for Nyjer Morgan.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, his name has been floated here as a guy to take a chance on. Just saying: I’d rather let somebody else take that chance, and if it works out for that other guy, god bless ’em.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Wrong. Didn’t everyone root for Nolan Ryan over Robin Ventura?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I rooted for Kyle Farnsworth over Paul Wilson and Chan Ho Park over Tim Belcher.
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No
I would have liked to see Robin pound his ass
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Lines edited out of the last Batman movie?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Joker…. you got a pretty mouth.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, because you could justify Blake with he was the best option available other than Beltre for 2009-2011.
Uribe is probably the best option in 2011 but a lot of second basemen will be free agents next offseason and Uribe will keep us from acquiring them.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
No.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yea because we are paying Uribe even more. Uribe has only had an OPS+ greater than 100 twice in his career and I think its reasonable to expect him to have an OPS+ of around 100. Casey Blake put up a 99 OPS+ last year in his worst year of the last 10 years.
A bit different expectation for OPS+ for a 3rd baseman and a second baseman.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Third basemen have got so bad that there really isn’t.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Paying Uribe for ages 31-33, Blake for 35-37 though.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Age is irrelevant when Blake is still a better overall hitter at 36 than Uribe at 31. Maybe Uribe’s fat-ass forgets how to hit a ball by age 33.
Last season
wOBA
Casey Blake: .317
Juan Uribe: .322
Yes, maybe Uribe’s fat ass forgets how to hit. Sounds like something we should concern ourselves with.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but when Blake was signed we could have said, maybe Blake’s Beard forgets how to hit a ball by age 36. Old 3B do have a way of declining fast, as Phil once pointed out.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Who’s to say he can’t afford it? There was nothing but speculation about the low payroll the Dodgers were gonna have in ‘11, and now look and what they’ve done.
Like i say, I agree with oshea above — Uribe is not the big bat that the offense needs, and without that, none of these moves will be a difference maker — but I can’t say anything about the payroll anymore.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
The question is if McCourt can access the lines of credit that dried up after the 2008 Banking crisis.
I guess he can, but only to a certain amount, which is why we’re signing Juan Uribe instead of Carl Crawford.
Now you are completely talking out of your ass (regarding his capitalization)
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Which is why I’m guessing. I have no fucking idea. You probably have one since you work in a related field. Who the fuck knows how much money he really has, but its probably less than what is needed to fund the Dodgers needs.
my worry is
with this move in mind, McCourt is assuming he will have more money in a year or two.
but in reality, im not sure that will be the case and this will tie up the payroll down the line.
I find it strange to be playing the role of optimist and I’m not very good at it…. but come on. The signings we have seen so far are already showing that McCourt has more money available to put into payroll than many of us thought.
Is there more? Who knows? I sure hope so based on the moves so far, and if not, that’s disappointing… but come on, even I have put down my gin for now.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
its the length i fear most
and committing $14+ million into 2012 and 2013 on a guy like Uribe is scary when we have so many raises coming with our mostly, much more talented core.
I don’t disagree, really, but frankly, we are getting through a season where we’ve seen big, big questions about the core. If Kemp has another down year — and he could! — and Ethier is the 850 OPS guy I think he is — and he could be! — and Martin and Loney don’t show up — and they won’t! — then “the core” is Kershaw and Billingsley, and these deals won’t stand in the way of locking up those guys.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
This
It’s like a mini-Pierre contract. About half the dollars and just over half the length.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This has nothing to do with Juan Pierre.
Pierre was for more money to hit worse and play a premium offensive position.
Uribe is too much money and for too many years, but he will play 2B, and when (not if) Furcal gets injured, he will play shortstop.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Year before their contract:
WAR:
Casey Blake: 2.6
Juan Pierre: 2.9
Juan Uribe: 3.2
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
That WAR also has JP in center field I believe.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
That is too small a sample size
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I’m basing the validity of the comparison on the shock of reaction. I’m rather shocked by this move. And disgusted. I hate Colletti even more right now and want Canuck to come in and lay waste to some pixels.
Yes, that was the kind of tone I was going for.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Who cares if has money to spend if the end result
is a combination of Uribe / Garland / Jess Crain instead of simply Jayson Werth? We are going to see our payroll go up substantially I don’t see anything other then the rotation to be optimistic about and we could easily see Lilly and Kuroda show their age in a season in which they will be counted on to deliver 4 – 3 victories on a nightly basis.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
20+ HR and insurance for Furcal
Furcal goes down then Carroll to 2B
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Insurance is big. Ned loves, craves depth. He’s got Furcal at SS now and Carroll and Uribe who can play all over the infield.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
And if fairness to Ned, back in 2005 we saw what a team with 8 good starters and zero depth at all looked like.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
That and you just tore a big hole in a division rival's infield.
Juan can throw.
Man, what a crappy .gif…who made that?
Juan can also drive the ball, when Juan’s bat finds the ball.
He had a hot first half of 2010, a lucky second half.
(Sort of went with the rest of the team on that one, but damned if we’re giving any of it back.)
I’m thinking you’ll be fine.
I’m sure you know what I’m hoping.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
You know you can comment without posting pictures, right?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Why yes, I do.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to actually refrain from the 4chan joke this time
does saying that I’m refraining count as refraining? I don’t know, I know I gave it a heck of an effort though.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Didn’t the Giants offer Uribe arbitration last week?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions
yes
he’s a type B
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Ned
obviously payed the premium for two rings in two boxes. I expect to hear a lot of “world series champion” in the press conference.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I thought this was funny
mccoveychron: I can’t wait for the press conference, when Uribe hits a two-run homer off Jonathan Broxton.
trying to think optimistically...
we have a slightly better offense and a slightly worse pitching staff than the 2010 World Champs…maybe we have a shot?
Except for the better offense part. I’m not sold yet.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
i could see why you would think that...
but i’m amazed the giants did as well as they did. they really didn’t have an offensive powerhouse outside of posey (imho)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Who was mostly contained postseason.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
uh..
Id take Kershaw over Lincecum, Id take Bills over Cain, Id take Lilly over Sanchez, Id take Kuroda over Bumgarner, and Ill even take Garland over Zito..
No Im not a homer…
I'd take Kershaw from now on over Lincecum
but not the previous few years. Bills and Cain might be close to even at this point. You lose me at the other ones ;-) though yes I’d take Garland over Zito when looking at contract and that both are 4th starters.
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So we're gonna give up 2nd round pick to giants for this guy..?
I don’t like it. Especially that it’s 3 years deal and 7 mil per year.
you're not
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Glass Half Full: decent player, fields, some pop, he’s not The Riot, can move over to third as Blake ages, will make more sense if Ned signs a decent left fielder. Maybe we do have money.
Glass Half Empty: seems way overpaid, will look worse if we get stuck with the Pods Committee in left. I hope this isn’t a PR “Hey we signed the Wold Series hero” move.
Verdict: to be determined by the starting left fielder in April 2011.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
On Opening Day
does Juan Uribe run to first base or third base line?
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
third base line
but only because he thought he saw A. Milano cookie.
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by G.Scott on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed and rec’d.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I would say to be determined in September, there’s always a chance Juan Uribe goes back to his White Sox numbers and does worse than Theriot would have.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
This is my fear.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
and mine, what is it, the water in SF or the NL pitching?
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Lincecum’s bong water.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say more then a chance
more like probable.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
let’s just hope this isn’t Ned’s idea of the “impact bat” that the team is looking for
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing Ned has up his sleeve
is a tribal band and a ‘Sign Manny’ tattoo.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Yeah
because that sleeve has pulled out so many doozy’s during the previous winters. Remind me a again what were the brilliant moves Ned has pulled from that sleeve during previous winter’s?
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Aw Schmidt. Can't think of any...
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
If the Dodgers sign someone other than Pods to play LF,
sign a veteran backup catcher like Barajas, give Martin an incentive-laden contract and maybe I’ll let them sign a Type A reliever just to bug some people, I would not be unhappy going into Spring Training.
If they bring back martin and someone better then pods
regardless of what contract they give martin.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
I’m always happy going into spring training :)
But I get your point.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
backed.
i just don’t see colletti getting a real impact guy in LF…unless he works some kind of trade magic.
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Right now
I would be happy with a Cody Ross type guy
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
Why do think that is the case. For two years he totally flailed in Tampa , had a decent “little” stretch in Sept and then put on one of the worst post season performances anyone has ever had to watch. This guy could work? As what? a wind generator? To remind us that Manny was not so bad in LF? Billy Ashly?
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
aren’t we busy riding the coat tails of one of the luckiest teams of recent memory?
Go with it, live the dream …
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
honestly, if the Dodgers do pick up a real LF, I’ll park my McCourt attitude and buy some tickets again this year.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I am with you here. If we sign a decent (not elite) LF…I might get my mini-plan again.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ordonez Werth Crawford Andruw, Reed Johnson
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Werth and Crawford are above average/decent
Andruw is not an option.
Reed is below average.
Maggs is a favorite on here. I don’t care for him, but I’m not smart….so there’s that to take into
consideration.
It’ll be better to spend your summer doing that than watching the Dodgers.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
and in his Alabama uni?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Except that with a box of chocolates
I know I’ll always like what I get.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Public Relations
we could never bring Andruw back to Los Angeles and A Jones would never want to revisit the place of his nightmares.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I was joking
It was a sardonic comment on the fact that we’re already going to be paying a left fielder a very healthy salary for next year. And the next year…. and the next year…. and the next year.
Burrell hit well for four months for the Giants, and had more home runs during his time in SF than any Dodger outside of I believe Kemp.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Because he can likely be had for half the annual price and for a one-year deal.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I would have bought that argument before Juan Uribe. And Ned in general doesn’t get discounts in terms of dollars for players. Ted Lilly didn’t give a discount, Kuroda signed at market rate, and he just overpaid for Uribe.
Does any GM in general get dollar discounts on players? Almost all players sign for market rate unless they themselves limit their market in some way.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Nice to conveniently ignore the Jon Garland deal.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
And Jon Garland has signed those type of contracts for the last 3 years. Are you saying that Garland has intentionally gave discounts to 3 different teams after publicly expressing his wish for a mult year deal?
Word is he turned down more money from the Padres
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
i don’t know if kuroda signed at market rate. i think he could’ve gotten more elsewhere. a lot of people were saying after Lee, he was one of (if not the) best FA SP.
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
lets get the guy who sucks for 1/2 the price instead of the real deal for full value. If we sign Pat my first questions to him in the clubhouse will be:
What was worse?
1. Having a small market team commit a large % of their salary to you, and have you stink so bad they have to jettison you which hampered their ability to make the world series only to have you show up making nothing and help the Giants into the World Series?
2. Putting on a show in the World Series that reminded everyone of what it would be like if Billy Ashley was still playing in the major leagues?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
He didn't get
the huge boost from TBLA Karaoke Night!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
man Phil really would have been the ambrosia salad to complete our thanksgiving meal
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
- splutterr -
Putting on a show in the World Series that reminded everyone of what it would be like if Billy Ashley was still playing in the major leagues?
Pat The Flat!
There are some that still want him retained.
Makes me feel good. About me.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I found this funny
without knowing what ambrosia salad is.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
it’s a fruit salad with coconut, often served at Thanksgiving. It’s there because you know you have to make ambrosia salad, but usually it’s left to its own devices, despite being delicious : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
So uh
how much do we expect to be deffered and for how long?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
i'm calling
two year deal at $5mil each, 2013 club option for 8 mil, incentives both years to bring the salary to 7mil, with deferred payments totalling $2mil each of 2014-2016
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
If its a club option for the 3rd year
suddenly this looks much better
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
It means they can void the contract in the 3rd year or elect to keep it. If they decline, a bonus is paid to the player.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
yes.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
could we see a mutual option?
or maybe something with a buy out. i just cant imagine Uribe being any good in 2013
as I said below, a option that he could vest wouldn’t surprise me.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
But that’s usually called 2 years with an option, not three.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Right
At least 5 people have now reported a 3-year deal. If there’s an option, it’s for a fourth year, not third.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
im trying to hold out hope
wasnt Kuroda being reported at 8 mill because they werent adding in a signing bonus?
It was reported at $8 million because of a miscalculation of Yen to dollars IIRC
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
mutual options almost never get exercised
it’s rare to have predicted a salary years in advance that works for both sides
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
A club option for year three that he could vest wouldn’t surprise me.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Not a club option
So far, we have Olney, Rosenthal, Heyman, Tim Brown, and Gurnick all reporting a 3-year deal.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Gee, crush our hopes Uncle Google!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t think he ever really looked that bad….
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
At least in WoW
you can put someone on ignore when they’re going on an emo-kid Negative Nancy rage fit until they calm down.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
Tell you what.
I’ll sign into WoW right now so you can ignore the shit out of me.
by Tripon on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Tripon has every right to be negative
this is a BS signing unless Ned pulls a solid hitting left fielder out of his ass.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
It wouldn’t matter if we just traded for Pujols. Tripon would be pissed we gave up Trayvon Robinson.
:)
I don’t mind negativity, but I think we should tone it down until we actually see the official details.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 29, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
or until we see how the rest of the off season plays out
but thats obviously not reasonable.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
At least the Dodgers didn't have to pay $5 million just to negotiate with Uribe
and Nishioka is totally unknown entity…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He still looks bad
because he has no MLB comp that he will be an effective hitter in the majors, you have to pay to even negotiate with him and if he doesn’t work out, he has no trade value.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Except he stated he’ll come over for whichever team. If he signs for less than Uribe’s total contract, I will be dispirited.
I would rather have had O Dog back as well
though I still doubt he’d have any interest in coming back to LA, even with Torre now gone.
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One thing is though NPB strike zone is relatively similar to MLB, so maybe if he stays out of injury, he could be not an effective hiter, but better OBP than Uribe (less power of course, but at least he won’t be a free swinger) and hit hit hit like ichiro (not many hits as ichiro, but similar style of player i suppose).
But there’s always possibility that he is the next Fukudome so
isn't the ball in NPB
smaller than the MLB ball?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
At least we didn't pay $5 million just for rights to offer Uribe a contract
and he’s proven himself more than Nishioka has.
(Not that Nishioka doesn’t look like a fun player mind.)
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I do think its interesting that Juan Pierre’s is Ned’s only 5 year deal. Ned seems to prefer short term deals in general. Somebody up top pointed out that the money given to Garland and Uribe would be able to buy an impact player like say, Adam Dunn.
except
Dunn can take a walk
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but it’s not like Ned would get all excited about Dunn then go “whaaaaa….he walks? Well I’m out”
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Dunn cannot play defense and does not have playoff experience.
Thus, not a Ned Guy.
by silverwidow on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
he only kills baseballs
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Colletti doesn't like one-tool guys
which is stupid when your one-tool is hitting 40+ homeruns a season (and drawing walks as everyone else mentioned)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
He signed Shea Hillenbrand, possibly the only zero tool player in baseball.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i didn’t say he doesnt like zero tool players…
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
The Nats players
were saying he was a leader in the clubhouse and very well liked and passionate.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
heh
i once stated here that I saw someone wearing a Hillenbrand jersey on tv. It could not be confirmed and Eric refused to believe it. It remains like the Loch Ness monster.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
PROOF!!!
YOU SEE WORLD? I AM NOT MAD!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
When we got to sit with Ned in 2009 spring training
His explanation for Hillenbrand was classic and reminded me of Judge Smails sending juveniles to the gas chamber (“Didn’t want to do it, felt I owed it to them.”)
Ned basically said he didn’t want to sign guys like Hillenbrand, but at that point in the season they were kind of fucked. It was pretty funny to me.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Kind of like the Cards having to trade for Pedro Feliz last year.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Octavio Dotel.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
He traded for and re-signed
Manny, who is definitely a one-tool guy.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
And that tool is….
Marketing!
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
That’s logistics!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
no
he hits for average and power. (and i would argue that his arm is pretty underrated too)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Then why do you keep calling Dunn a one-tool player?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
because he doesnt hit for average (and i did admit that drawing walks could be considered his second tool)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Huh Tim Brown?
The Uribe deal with Dodgers is for $21 mil over three. Not done. When it is, LA will have another vet guy in case kids fold again…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If Kemp sucks, Uribe will save the day!!!
by silverwidow on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I saw it, rolled my eyes and tried to forget about it.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Much better wide receiver than opinionist.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
LA is a goat farmer, young goats get sick a lot, so a good vetreinarian on speed deal is always handy.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
That storyline is older than Tommy Lasorda’s jockstrap. Did they say this type of shit about the 70’s Dodgers who went to multiple World Series and couldn’t beat the Yankees or A’s?
Well
for one thing, those teams won pennants before losing in the World Series.
For another, the main players were more consistent than this current crop of Dodgers.
I like the players on this team and yes, there were some problems with those Dodgers but as a whole, right now, you cannot compare those teams with this current group of Dodgers.
Finally, I know those type of statements are annoying and impossible to prove or disprove but the only way to end them, is to go out and win a NL pennant and go to the World Series, until then, you’ll keep hearing it.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Was Theriot considered a kid?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I blame God for Juan Uribe
I praise you 24/7 and this is how you repay me?! You expect me to learn from this? How? I’ll never forget this! Ever!
Thanks though.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
LOL.
You are on a roll. Must be the confidence you got from your lucky streak with the ladies.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
lucky? Maybe he’s better looking that it appeared from his erstwhile profile pics.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Finally have some confidence after trying to please everyone and compete for 5 years. It’s game time.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.
be the man!
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
You know it is bad
When you get this news via text from Maddz, and have to check TBLA to make sure she isn’t trolling the shit out of you.
FML
0oo0oo0000oo0o00ooo0oo0o0ooo0o0o0. . .. . . . . .
Damn
I come back to TBLA for joy and now I see that Uribe is close to signing for the Dodgers for 21 million. WTF man.
another year
in AAA
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
That he will be playing for ABQ next year.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
he’ll be traded to the Pirates sooner rather than later?
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I can see him getting called up to play 2B if Uribe has to move to 3B. I don’t have much confidence that Blake can finish the season as a starter.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
or maybe
if Raffy gets hurt and they move Uribe to SS. And they want to keep Carroll as a bench player.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
2012
Uribe’s versatility has to be a major factor in the decision. In 2012 he could be the starter at third or short. I just don’t think DeJesus has become Tony Abreu yet.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
He'll be important in determining
The next left fielder.
could be a mid-season callup (after Furcal is traded at the deadline because the dodgers start dumping salary from their last-place asses)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Furcal has no-trade rights, so he won’t be easy to move.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going to go watch Andre beat up Finnegan again
to make myself feel better.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Still optimistic we do something to improve left though.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
i’m cautiously optimistic…i dont know much about the LF trade market, who’s out there? i know people mentioned nyjer morgan and bj upton, but who else?
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
those guys would play center
only LF I can think getting traded is Josh Willingham. There are some guys who could be signed to play LF, but they have question marks(price, length of contract, health etc.)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Other names mentioned on this board have been Bourne, Luke Scott and Willingham.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Great for photo-shopping though.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
He did his best to try to win a game, then got upset because someone attempted to murder him for it.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I hope the Giants
Come in and swoop on Uribe like we did to the Braves with Furcal in ’09
2010 Dodgers Straight From Hell Season Checklist
Have Matt Kemp regress – Check
Have Jon Broxton regress – Check
Manny less than 200 ABs – Check
James Loney regress from an already disappointing career – check
Giants win 2010 World Series – Check
Dodgers top prospects stink – Check
Trade future starter to rent a reliever for 19 appearences – Check
Miss playoffs – check
Sign Juan Uribe for $21 million – Check
you forgot to mention Ethier breaks his pinkie just when he’s showing triple crown numbers (and of course comes back to perform poorer)
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Furcal
Kemp
Ethier
LF
Uribe
Loney
Blake
C
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Uribe anywhere near the five hole makes me sad. And Pods hitting 4th doesn’t work either ;-)
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Well, after I looked at that more closely, switch Uribe and Loney.
If Podsednick is starting on this team, what’s the point?
Bold Prediction:
BH is correct, the silent partner is in, and the Dodgers trade for a real LF, with some pop in his bat.
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Furcal
Kemp
Ethier
LF
Uribe
Loney
Blake
C
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
2010 cannot end soon enough
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I was hoping for a better 50th b-day present to me from Ned.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
there might be a Red Rider Air Rifle
behind the desk. ;)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah, happy b-day. Mine is not actually until Thursday.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Ned's non-tendering TheRiot
So no TOOTBLAN for you.
Dotel had 19 appearances? I don't remember any of them
other then bases loaded walk one.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
On to the Winter Meetings where the Dodgers trade for the LF
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 29, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
i don't know if i'll get vilified for this...
but i would be okay with carlos lee in the cleanup spot, that is if they don’t give up too much for him
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I'd expect Houston to give him away
if anyone wants that contract
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
we cant afford 18 mil or whatever he’s making so wed have to give up some prospects
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
An 88 OPS+ doesn't play any better at 3rd base then 2nd or SS
and that is being generous given his career OPS+ average is 85.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
.300 career OBP
is why I hate this deal.
by kinbote on Nov 29, 2010 11:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yep. For this deal to really work, Uribe can’t regress at all.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
This
And is seems bloodly likely that an three-year average mid 80s OPS+, and mid 80s wRC+ is the outcome.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Where is this 3 year average number coming from? I show wRC+ of 100, 115 and 75 which averages out to 97.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think he was predicting his future wRC+, not his past.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Yes
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Future three years not the previous three years
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I’m predicting (1:0) Real Madrid at halftime, but I’m not ready to pick the second half
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Basically
they are trying to take a lot of the tough decisions away from this manager and coaching staff (starting rotation, back end of bullpen, infield), they’ll bring in a few catchers and some left-field candidates (if they don’t sign or trade for a LF) but those are easier to deal with than your pitching staff makeup. Also, the bench makeup will have to be dealt with but with Carroll, Gibbons, and catcher already there, they only have a few spots to put together.
Prediction
Theirot signs with the Giants to play short. Uribe deal looks better.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions
they’d have to give up some serious prospects (think: posey) to pry Hanley away from the marlins
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Posey is not a prospect.
And whatever they give up, it would be worth it. I know Hanley had a down year but I would bet on him being one of the three best players in the league.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
yr right, not a prospect, but you get the point. and see below…jose reyes sounds a lot more likely to me.
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Jose Reyes
is more likely
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
this is all par for the Coletti course. I don’t even really get mad or care anymore. It’s all so funny.
ewww Ned
this guy loves swinging for the fence in every at bat. Although, he is still an upgrade over Riot.
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Rosenthal says the deal will be finalized tomorrow after Uribe’s physical.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 29, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions
What's Barry Bonds doing these days?
We need a left fielder. He’s a former Giant whose best days are behind him.
Sounds like Ned’s dream signing.
yeah, defer the cash over ten years. bonds busts both knees within 20 games.
by court168627 on Nov 29, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Renteria?
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I forgot
Barry doesn’t have a ring in a box. But Renteria’s got two.
If Edgar can play the outfield, the ink on that contract is as good as dry.
He cannot run.
He prefers to trot.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
So Ned overpaid for another guy named Juan
So when do we hear that he gets on base an awful lot?
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 29, 2010 11:45 AM PST reply actions
This Juan is like the opposite of that Juan
at least in that he has a mediocre OBP but has pop. no speed and can slug pretty decently.
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and is a plus defender.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
A one year deal for Uribe would be good— he’s versatile, has some pop and plays good defense. A 3 year deal makes me feel a bit ill, especially because I believe this is the largest position player deal we’ll see this off-season.
Ned signing ex Giants is nothing new but
what other 2010 Giants has he signed?
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I was thinking more that he’s trying to model the team after them. Elite pitching staff with just enough offense from unexpected places.
Their model had a Posey and Bumgarner
when Ned has a model with those two he might be able to have success with what he has built so far this winter. The Giants failed with their model, only those two players kept their season from watching the Padres or Rockies in the post season.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Also, the Rockies winning 83 games hurt their chances.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
True
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ned Colletti...
…has somebody’s best interests in mind.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Possible
then the fear is they’ll be more like the 2009 Giants ;-) Good pitching, no hitting. Expecting lightning to strike twice with some guys (as the Giants are doing with Huff) is a bit much but on other hand some chances have to be made to try to shore up a weak lineup.
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As long as we make a move and pick up someone to play LF, I am totally cool with this.
I know it is a lot of money and I’m not in love with the 3rd year.
This does mean that The Riot wont be playing 2B this year. And that is a good thing.
He will be 37 the day before I turn 38. Wow.
I can’t imagine him getting more than 7 or 8M per.
I think that is way too much money to pay him. I’d never give him the 2nd year either.
I’m not a contract guy. That is a reg or Michael/Phil/Eric question.
I’d say a little less. Damon had a very similar year to Magglio in 2009 and got 1/8 for it, but Magglio missed half the year.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
So 7 Million is to much for a guy who can actually hit
but is okay for Uribe?
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
It is too much to pay a guy to play in 75 games and be horrible defensively. Yes that’s right.
Plus, Juan Uribe will be 30 on opening day, not 37.
31. He’s 31 now.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Theriot’s career wOBA is higher than Juan Uribe’s.He goes on to argue for signing Theriot also, completely forgetting that Jamey Carroll is already on the 2011 Dodger roster.
It’s not by much — a mere .007 — but it’s there…. If we look only at the last three seasons we can see that Uribe is only slightly better than Theriot, by a measure of 0.8 WAR. If they show a similar discrepancy during the next three seasons, it’s tough to argue that Uribe is worth that $7 million per season when compared to Theriot.
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Of course we could have simply
not signed either of them but just like the writer, Ned forgot he had signed Jamey Carroll last winter.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ivan DeJesus is on a plane to Missouri
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TCU to join Big East in 2012
Glad to see they’re willing to play by the rules of the Cartel. Boise St. it’s your move.
I’m just glad to see the classic Texas Christian – UConn rivalry get reignited
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
The real villains in this are the Padres.
They hold on to win the NL West, the Giants don’t win the World Series, and Ned doesn’t try to recreate them.
but we signed Garland anyhow, so obviously Ned was still impressed
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
The Good, the Bad, The Ugly
Good:
1. Uribe can hit home runs, play good defense at both 2nd / SS
2. Has had an above average and average season in the last two.
3. Brings some pizzaz to the clubhouse
4. Still only 31
Bad:
1. Career OB of .300
2. Had had more bad seasons then average seasons, with only two good seasons in his long career
3. Last time he had a plus OPS+ he regressed the next three seasons.
4. Ex Giant
5. He’s the Charlie Stiener of the at bat, he thinks every time he has hit the ball it is a home run
Ugly:
He’s simply ugly
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Oh
actually the ugly is the length and amount of the contract. I’d have loved Uribe at 3.5 playing 2nd base in 2011. Now if we get a LF I won’t care, but I have zero faith at this moment we will get a LF that I will care about. I think the money you all think is going to get us a left fielder is actually going to be spent on a middle relief pitcher. That will be Dave’s birthday present this Thursday. Happy 50th, being fifty is like spending 5 Million on Jess Crain. Nothing good can come of it.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
What we know about Pat Burrell
He has hit in the NL, but not in the AL.
The Dodgers are in the NL.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Rumor has it that he refers to himself as Pat the Bat in the bedroom. Or so Deadspin told me.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
What I know about Pat Burrell is that whoever signs him is going to have a worthless piece of shit on their hands
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Seems reasonable, his Giant pixie dust stopped working when the regular season ended.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Not his fault
it is his fault he sucked. Just like it was not Andruw’s fault he was given 39 Million, but it was Andruw fault he sucked and I don’t see anyone giving Andruw a break here.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Potentially good, bad and ugly
Jazz hands.
Dylan checks in with not brand new information
Dodgers close to three-year deal with Juan Uribe. Could be announced as early as tomorrow.
To be fair
Uribe does add some pop to the lineup. Last year he hit 24 home runs, compared to 26 XBH for DeWitt and Theriot combined. On a team that ranked middle of the road in walks and OBP but 15th in HR and 13th in slugging, especially with power becoming a rarer commodity, maybe not a terrible move. And it also gets rid of Theriot.
But that’s not someone you commit to for three years. Not if you think Hu, DeJesus, or anyone you’ve got as a middle infielder in the minors can do anything. So, guess which reliever we trade DeJesus for at the deadline.
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 29, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions
We should need another relief pitcher by then
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Dodgers do think Hu can do anything alas
and I think they believe DeJesus is still another year away. Or he could arrive in 2011 if someone gets injured (whether Blake, Carroll or Furcal). Uribe and DeJesus both give them some flexibility in the infield, at the least.
Then when Jerry Sands arrives to save the day they can focus on another area. ;-)
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don't forget
Furcal has an option for 2012 that vests at 600 PA in 2011. My guess is that the Dodgers are not optimistic about him lasting that long, and think that maybe they’ll have one guy they can try out a bit when he gets hurt in 2011, and if that guy work out, they’ll be good for 2012. Cot’s lists a $12m option for Furcal in 2012 (but does not list a buyout). Uribe is a plausible way to let Furcal go.
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 29, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Eric shows that he’ll have a $1.3M buyout for 2012 with 492 more PAs, and that with 625 PAs in 2011, he can opt out of the vested option. Under that scenario, would he opt out and turn down $12M for one year and go FA again for his age 34 season. Maybe so.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
If Furcal has a year like 2009 where he has 680 PA but hits poorly, he might accept his option. I think it’s more likely he’s out in 2012, tough.
by StolenMonkey86 on Nov 29, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Octavio Dotel should be available again.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say Ned would trade him for Renteria, if he was still under contract
The good news is that Uribe is far superior to Theriot, and probably even superior to DeWitt. The bad news…It looked like DeJesus was finally putting it together. Why not give him a shot? It’s not like the organization suddenly has a ton of money to play with. Was it DeJesus’s “character”? We can go over all the double standards Ned seems to have about that with the younger guys versus the vets, but it’s all been said before.
My real problem with this move, though, is it seems to validate Ned’s fixation with the Giants. It reminds me of Steinbrenner in the 90’s with the Mets. We had Kent, Schmidt, that enormous contract to Pierre that was doled out just because Ned wanted to block the Giants from getting him…and now this?! I mean, yeah, I know baseball’s a business and all, but really…now we’re gonna have to root for a Giant postseason HERO?! Well, at least we don’t have to worry about him killing us with late inning homeruns now. Late inning strikeouts, maybe, but not homeruns. :/
But overall, it’s actually not a bad baseball movie. We can do a lot worse than Juan Uribe…and lord knows we have!
far superior? are you sure?
Juan Uribe’s career .300 OBP is going to kill us slowly, one PA at a time, until we are finally pronounced dead in late September.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, but those are not the only choices.
What makes LA contend is the pitching holding up and much improved years from Kemp, Loney and Ethier. Unless a big OF bat is acquired.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Then why would it be Uribe’s fault?
If Ned doesn’t address the LF position, that can’t be blamed on Uribe. He didn’t offer the contract to himself and sign it.
I think we upgraded today. Not sure about long term. Not sure that we are gonna be better next year unless, like you said, Kemp, Loney, and Dre improve.
But it is hardly Uribe’s fault.
I don’t think he’s blaming Uribe. I think he’s blaming Colletti.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
If those three have big rebound years in the middle of the order, but Uribe is putting up a rally-killing .295 OBP in the 6 or 7 hole, maybe it will be his fault.
I was really just going for watching him make so many outs is going to be that hard to watch.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
No
but now we have 7 million less to try to make up contenders. To me the question is this, even if Ned is not a Dunn guy.
Sign, Dunn, do not sign Garland or Uribe, non Tender Theriot, use Carroll at 2nd with DeJesus as the backup, or sign Alex Cora. Find cheaper alternatives for the fifth spot in the rotation.
or
Sign Garland, Uribe, Middle Relief pitcher, bleh option for LF.
Of course my assumption is that Ned will spend money on a relief pitcher and bring in a bleh option for LF.
So I’d rather have the 1st option because above all I think this team needs a real hitter then a fifth starter, a starting 2nd baseman who is hard pressed to actually be better then the reserve, another pricey middle relief pitcher, and a crappy option in LF. I liked the 2009 Uribe, I fully expect the 2011 Uribe to be as bad as the 2009 Uribe was good because he simply is not that good of a player and he already shot his wad.
If Ned shocks me and brings in someone worthwhile to play LF, I’ll revisit my problems with this signing.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think any of these signings have to do anything with Ned signing a middle reliever. He would do that because he wants to do that, not based on these other moves.
And, to be honest, if Dunn is in LF, I would rather much sign Uribe and Garland (and I can’t believe I’m saying this).
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely he will do it because he wants to do it
my only point is that I’d rather spend big money on one guy where I think we need the most help then spread it out over four positions where we could probably go cheap and not suffer very much.
As fangraphs has pointed out, the career Theriot is right on par with the career Uribe, I think we are being too influenced by how crappy Theriot was with us, and Uribe’s recent success when people state that Uribe is a huge upgrade over Theriot.
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You have to go back to 2008 to find when Theriot was better than Uribe.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
How crazy of us
Giving more weight to the two most recent years than 2008.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
well, let's put it this way
The potential for him to be an offensive force is superior to Theriot, Carroll, or DeWitt. IMHO, of course.
Well, considering that right now
the team is probably over $110M in active and deferred payments with still some money having to be allocated (that could drop with what happens to Martin), I don’t know if the not spending argument flies now.
So far the Dodgers are the big spenders (yes before Lee, Werth, Crawford, Jeter and Rivera get signed) at $71.65M spent thus far this season.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the Dodgers do think Hu can do anything alas
And it’s not like Hu has given them reason to believe otherwise.
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reply fail. That was meant for underdog, obviously.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, indeed.
I meant “alas” more like, alas, I was rooting for him and hopeful he’d be good. But he’s been mostly The Suck whenever given a chance. (Though he did have that eye thing.)
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Except we can't get jeter for 3/45
thats what the yankees are offering and we would have to top it
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
So much posturing. If Jeter is playing anywhere but the Yankees and for anything less than an absolutely preposterous amount of money, I will have to buy stock in a monocle factory.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I could use a monocle
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I knew it….
How old do you need to be to rock a monocle?
And what if I have all my hair? Am I disqualified now?
Is anyone that doesn’t own Yankee Stadium signing Jeter for three years, and $45, at his age? I doubt it.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Then again, what do the Giants have left in the middle IF, Freddie Sanchez and ?
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the Giants have
that kind of money either way.
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
Lets sign Torres somehow
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I like Uribe and don't like Theriot so in that aspect I like the deal
I’m not angry just amazed that a guy who could not get a contract last winter after a great season gets a 3/21 deal after an average one. I’m more bewildered then angry at how baseball works and I look forward to watching Uribe get excited about those long fly balls he hits on a regular basis.
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It’s easier to get a deal based on two good seasons than just one. Uribe is further removed from his three sucky years in Chicago this winter than he was last winter. Of course, being a part of the WS champs doesn’t hurt.
Also, Uribe was more of a regular in 2010 (139 starts) than 2009 (103 starts), and had the nice shiny career highs in HR and RBI.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Right
I mean I understand how he got the multi year deal, but just like in the case of Juan Pierre, I’m dismayed it was our GM who gave it to him. These are the kind of deals I like our competition to make not ourselves. Oh well, hopefully he really is a NL hitter and his last two seasons are much more indicative of what he is.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
So I spent a minute reading John Hollinger's analysis of why the Heat is off to a poor start
and the ESPN NBA Insider tells me that for the Heat to get better, LeBron, DWade and Bosh all have to play better. Nice to know that.
I actually kind of liked his article
He went through all the excuses that you hear (no Mike Miller, the PG sucks) and debunks them. He then quantifies how badly the superfriends have been doing compared to their historical norms.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t part of that simply because there is only one basketball?
I mean, I like PER as much as the next guy, but it doesn’t seem right to simply add the PER and say, “look, we have a great team.” I’m just speaking in general, abstract terms, though, as I haven’t read the article.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
He actually dsicusses that too
It’s not the one-ball theory.
With only one ball to go around, the theory goes, Wade, James and Bosh were bound to suffer because each would have to settle for fewer shots. When I modeled this problem before the season, my answer was that the usage rate for each player (the percentage of possessions used by each player) would diminish by surprisingly little.
The drop-off has been a bit worse than I expected. James, at 32.3 last year, is at 30.3 so far. Wade, at 33.2 a year ago, has fallen to 28.2. And Bosh has suffered the most, falling from 25.9 to 20.4. But even those drops are not dramatic enough to explain the Heat’s failures thus far.
And there’s a particular reason for part of the drop that isn’t endemic to the one-ball issue. We’ll get to that in a minute.
He later explains that Lebron and Wade are way above their historical norms regarding turnovers and Bosh isn’t anywhere near his rebound levels. So when they get the ball, they turn it over and Bosh isn’t doing what PF needs to do in grabbing the ball on the offensive or defensive glass.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not a fan of this. As usual, instead of signing one really good player we spread the money over some average (if we’re lucky) players.
Exactly
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by meercatjohn on Nov 29, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Good, bad, or indifferent
TroyRenck
Rockies have called about Bill Hall. I also believe they will have interest in Ryan Theriot if he’s non-tendered
Indifference — I has it
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
At Coors Field
Theriot’s flies to RF might carry closer to the warning track.
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by David Young on Nov 29, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Uribe signing
In a perfect world I would not have signed Uribe for 7mil per year for 3 years. I thought the Dodgers could get by with 6million per year, but I thought it would take three years, if his agent was smart. I believe my post is from last night.
Saying all of that Uribe’s signing does not block DeJesus, since most people think he will be ready middle of the season or 2012. In theory Uribe moves over to 3rd and DeJesus to 2nd. If for some chance Ned decides to deal Loney, which I find doubtful, Blake could move to first, Uribe to 3rd and then a platoon of DeJesus and Caroll.
Essentially Ned is buying cheap power and flexibility on the infield which is what the Dodgers need. IF the Dodgers could get Berkman for 5 million, I would go for him as well on a 1 year deal and platoon him in LF and 1st.
A little longer take from the meercat
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I've already had a dozen different feelings on the deal
I need to stop commenting before I start arguing against myself.
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Uribe becomes the only dodger position player under contract for 2012 or 2013.
Is that true? Are Loney, Kemp, Martin, Ethier etc… all free agents by 2013? Unless he doesn’t count team control as being under contract.
Technicality
Loney, Martin, Kemp, and Ethier technically won’t be under contract for 2012 until they are tendered a contract this time next year (or if they sign an extension beforehand). All are free agents after 2012 though.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
My how the kids grow up fast
seems like just yesterday they were taking their first steps and moving their first trash cans.
and hitting
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Heh
Now those kids are gonna be some other team’s PVL.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I like this move
Given the upcoming issues at SS and third base. I agree that he overpaid for him but I think this makes the team much better.
None of it matters if there isn’t a good hitter manning LF in 2011.
It’s nice to have a versatile defender in the mix. if he repeats his 2010 numbers I will be very happy w the move.
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Jon Weisman at Dodger Thoughts notes that today is both Vin Scully and Ross Porter’s birthday. Happy birthday gentlemen.
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and
maaaannnyyyy moooooooooorrrrrrreeeeee!!!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I’m surprised the karaoke mistress didn’t put on Happy Birthday, to go along with Jingle Bells and Rudolph on Friday night.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
I knew someone would say this
and I knew it would be you.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
On a potential LF
I wonder if Ned is just looking for someone to be there for this year only, as Sands may be ready soon if the OF is indeed where they are planning to put him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions
And
Uribe was a bargain for the Giants, but he’ll have to play at his best, for quite a long time, just to be worth his salary for the Dodgers.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
A bargain for the Giants, an anchor for the Dodgers. Just curious how many free agent one year bargains after the age of 30, who then sign a long term deal ever pay off? Curious to see how Pavano does with whoever signs him but pitching is whole different world.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Well, Uribe had 2.8 and 3.2 WAR seasons the last two years.
He needs to put up about 1.75 WAR to be worth 7 million.
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 29, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
We already have
Hu and DeJesus who could suck for cheap.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
LaRoche too?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s get Pee Wee and LaRoche out of our systems once and for all. They’re never going to be any good. Time to move on.
It’s Uribe time!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Frankly
I was a fan of the “suck for cheap (and invest the savings)” plan, but we are long past where anyone can advocate that, I think.
In for a penny, in for a pound. I don’t think the Dodgers can win this thing, but now that it’s clear they’re gonna try, then fucking try.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
What is Magglio going to fetch?
Probably a little more, but his bat is way more valuable. Sign Magglio and go with De Jesus at 2B.. .
by SeanMillerSavior on Nov 29, 2010 1:04 PM PST reply actions
2B belongs
to Uribe now
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Mr., ah, Not?
We took care of your sig request.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Blake Griffin is already the greatest Clipper I've ever seen play
Maybe the pre injured Ron Harper but I don’t think so. It is very weird having a player of his talent playing for us. I keep expecting someone to simply shoot him because I can’t fathom a scenario where he gets to play for us for the next four years without something going wrong.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Wait'll he gets replaced by
whoever is the basketball equivalent of Juan Uribe.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Uribe's Wiki
Juan C. Uribe Tena (born March 22, 1979 in Baní, Dominican Republic) is a free-swinging Major League Baseball shortstop who is currently a free agent.
It’s true, but funny in this context.
I think that means he fucks other couples at no cost.
I could be wrong here.
I’ll wait for David to respond before I make it my final answer.
Haha
I like how you chose David to confirm. :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
I am a long-married man. What the hell do I know about swingers? Absolutely nothing. Well, besides what I see on the internet.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Your vicinity to Chatsworth
seems to be having an effect on how you are viewed.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Or it may simply be the
swinging looking Avatar you are now sporting.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
LMAO
Dude, you were the man that had the rap Friday night, not me.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Haha
and the very emotional love song…by Weird Al
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
The man from Bani
as Vin will soon be saying. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds more like a 70s player (or playah)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Until recently poor Juan couldn't afford decent cleats so he used running shoes.
Then again, a $300K World Series winnah’s share buys a lot of footwear.
BTW, this picture also points up how he earned the nickname “Jazz Hands”.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone ever noticed how small the Giants' jersey numbers are?
Just a random observation.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 29, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
It's more just an optical illuusion caused by
being on large backsides.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The largest!
When he or Pablo crashed the plate on bunts it registered on the Richter.
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by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hah hah
RT @OzzieGuillen: Juan uribe 3 years iam proud uribe great job buddy
RT @OzzieGuillen: Hard work put u in nice situation my fat boy
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
indeed
he cracks me up.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hes definitely a favorite of mine. “My fat boy.” doesn’t get much better than that.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 29, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
When Uribe / Pablo played the left side did AT&T field lean left?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It actually tipped onto its other side.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't take much
for San Francisco to lean left.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
How many Dee Gordons can you fit into Uribe?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Seems Ned's been adding payroll since the off season began
Spending on his type of guys and bumping up the payroll like its 2006 or 7.
Makes me think Frank is in the driver’s seat legally and determined to make a run in 2011…and helping his public image.
FWIW I love having Uribe in Blue rather than Halloween colors playing wherever needed and adding a power threat to the lineup. Play the hot hand.
But we are way overpaying for the bling. $7mil for 3 years was nowhere to be found the last 2 years. Jeez. Now Lilly, Garland, Kuroda and Uribe? Where does this payroll top out? Better lose the Riot or we may have a Blake/Gibbons platoon in LF (hahahaha). Or Uribe at 3b with Blake and Loney platoon at 1b(actually not the end of the world).
As said above
$71.65M and with incentives and options to take it to $82.65M and unless I missed something, no deferred money yet (I have not heard the details on the Uribe deal).
Relying on the hot hand will sometimes get you burned.
Hell, what do I know? Maybe Uribe changed something about his hitting the last two years that has changed his results in a permanent fashion. i did notice he had a .256 BABIP last year – but a low 15.4 LD% – to go with that .310 OBP, so maybe he has become a .320s OBP guy with some pop. I could live with that in the 6/7 hole.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
oh hey guys
checks out some dodger news…see’s inevitable juan uribe overpay*****
fuck. i wasn’t expecting that to ruin my day.
Given Marty’s age, to him a cougar is a woman who is eligible for social security.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
well it made more sense than gravy robber, at the time
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Trix are for kids. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
which would have made for the better, crisper joke.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'll try this joke
Marty’s not a hipster — he’s a broken hipster.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
"Control your heart rate!"
“I can’t control my heart rate, I have a cougar on me!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
i've been lurking!
but shit…uribe!??!! i just had say something.
I guess ned sees we probably can’t get that one big bopper so he’s trying to improve the power at other places.
No big deal.
I expected it.
I’m reading my texts now. My buddy is saying that Ronaldo shoved or pushed Pep Guardiola.
Gotta watch it now.
there’s been some scuffling. I missed the last two goals, but they came within 3 mins of each other, so that’s gotta be worth a look too. Lots of yellow cards flying around too
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Uribe
“That’s quite a bit of money to be paying an over-30 infielder with a 731 career OPS, but he will immediately improve the Dodgers’ middle infield defense and should bring a spark to the lineup. Uribe batted .248/.310/.440 this year " Rotoworld
Oh puke when you put it that way.
OH NO :)
Rockies signed LHP Eric Stults to a minor league contract.
He’ll get an invite to major league spring training. Stults, who turns 31 next month, spent this past season with the Hiroshima Carp in Japan, posting a 5.07 ERA over 21 starts. The southpaw has a 4.84 ERA over 35 major league appearances (24 starts), all with the Dodgers. He would be allowed to return to the Carp if he doesn’t make the major league roster with the Rockies next spring.
Rotoworld
That will not go well
But, I wish him the best.
Stults. Returning to the scene of the crime.
One fateful day in Coors field, Joe Torre determined his Dodger career was over.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Truth
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If the wallets open for whatever
Bring Beltre home and DFA Loney.
I know, sorry.
Megaballs refers to confronting fears and challenges, not to any size of scrotum FWIW.
Keep up the good work, most of you, and Nate, don’t be a stranger.
Back to lurkin’
In order to enjoy the Uribe era more
I’ll refer to him as Weebay. The Wire references make everything better.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Dodgers with 20 HR & OPS+ less than 100
Headlined by Marquis Grissom in 2001:
Rk Player OPS+ HR Year Age G PA AB R H 2B 3B RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Marquis Grissom 71 21 2001 34 135 468 448 56 99 17 1 60 16 107 .221 .250 .404 .654 *87/9D
2 Todd Hundley 86 24 1999 30 114 428 376 49 78 14 0 55 44 113 .207 .295 .436 .731 *2
3 Adrian Beltre 88 23 2003 24 158 608 559 50 134 30 2 80 37 103 .240 .290 .424 .714 *5/6
4 Eric Karros 88 23 1993 25 158 658 619 74 153 27 2 80 34 82 .247 .287 .409 .696 *3
5 Roy Campanella 88 20 1956 34 124 461 388 39 85 6 1 73 66 61 .219 .333 .394 .727 *2
6 Matt Luke 95 24 1998 27 102 514 474 68 112 24 2 68 34 120 .236 .289 .447 .736 739
7 Adrian Beltre 97 21 2002 23 159 635 587 70 151 26 5 75 37 96 .257 .303 .426 .729 *5
8 Gil Hodges 97 22 1958 34 141 532 475 68 123 15 1 64 52 87 .259 .330 .434 .764 *35/972
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 11/29/2010.
Wow that is beyond strange
When I saw you did not use use this in the story, I just reupped my BRef subscription so I could run it because of the comment you made in the previous thread, and I added it to my Fanpost. Then I come back here and see you just did it.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Keep that handy
but, Matt Luke? That is not correct – he never played that much.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I was already checking
9 for the Dodgers, but his page
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lukema01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool
probably has a blurp in it due to the 12 total.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I’m shocked Karros isn’t on there more.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I used 100 OPS so he makes it twice in my list
because every list should have two Karros’s .
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
OT - so we saw Love and Other Drugs this w/e
And it was a good enough movie, but boy do Anne Hathaway and Jake Gyllenhaal spend more time naked than I expected, even though I had read Josie’s review. Not that I, nor my wife, was complaining.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I warned you! I stopped almost mid thought to warn my faithful readers just how much nakedness to expect. It’s a lot of tits
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Now if we could only remove Jake
from the movie
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Jake has to be in it
for the wife to want to go.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
fun fact of the day: Jake is dating Taylor Swift. Where does that get fun?
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
she’s 20, and a decade his younger. He needs to look for someone he can impregnate and share a bank account with, not someone he could have babysat
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
She just missed the cutoff by two years.
30 / 2 +7
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I thought she was younger than that….
I don’t feel bad about wanting to bang her now.
Thanks Josie, rockn as usual.
I’ll make sure to ask her that at the ACA’s. “Taylor, Keith wants to bang you, thoughts?”
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
That would be worth like $60 bucks…..
Make it happen.
My prayer is that you see her, talk to her if only for a moment, and that actually pops in your head.
That would be awesoke.
She would think it was Keith Urban
and simply say “done that”
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
call back
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I’m ok with Jake. I like his sister too, better.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I liked her in Stanger Than Fiction
but was happy she fell to pieces in The Dark Knight.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
You would like her in The Secretary
methinks.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I will agree with these things. Her character even in the first one (when she was Katie Holmes) was just “we need a female person to do x” and didn’t find a place in the story
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
If you didn't like her character in STF
then you have no soul.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
You probably also like her in The Secretary
;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think a Gyllenhaal movie
where they have romantic moments should be their next project.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
The plot of the movie
Could be that Jake has to kiss Maggie after he ties in some sporting event. Then, they end up enjoying it…BOOM, movie.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Only she dies immediately after they fall in love as bro/sis, at the hands of someone on the very team Jake tied in the first place. To get revenge, Jake has to battle his foe once and for all. Let’s say it is boxing, and the judges are crooked.
It can be called “Judging Love” or something like that.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
She needs to die
after giving birth to the baby. Movie title could be “Tennessee”
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I Twisted My Sister – in theaters this fall
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I thought of that very thing as I was typing it.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
wasting your Earl Grey?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Picard fetishist?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
my grandma’s a brit, she passed on her tea ritual to me
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
It’s come up before hasn’t it? I like it too, though I don’t drink it habitually, it is in the tea rotation.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
you’re probably right. It’s the bottom of my tea pyramid making it my every day tea, working up to the likes on aged pu-erh and darjeeling first flush
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
you love British stuff
what’s more British than that? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Bloody
well right
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
both of them?
is she finally gonna show him how one “sucks a fuck”?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing against Jake
just expect that less Jake would mean more Anne.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
it was “Walkabout” nakedness, haven’t seen Last Tango
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh come on
more famous than the milk in “Kiss the Girls?”
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Anne Hathaway naked?!?!?!
I so have to see this movie!
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 29, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone hear Jon Garland on XM this hour?
Here is a tweet from Bowden that seems ominous:
Jon Garland just told us that teams wouldn’t offer him a multi-year deal because of MRI’s and Physicians opinions that he would break-down
Jon Garland
too honest for his own good.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh. It is only worth signing Garland if he actually makes his starts. If the Dodgers are gonna have a guy too injured to pitch, I want him to be better than Garland.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Any other depressing Dodger news you are going to enlighten us with today
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Matt Kemp has left baseball to become a back up singer for the love of his live
Kershaw had decided that he loved the QB’s hand between his legs so much he is going back to become a center and leave his baseball career behind
Chad fell down again and this time can’t get back up
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
z
Hey remember how surprised we were Garland couldn’t get a better deal than what Ned gave:
@JimBowden: JGarland just told us teams wouldn’t offer multi-year deal b/c MRI’s & Drs opinions that he’d break down
I like this signing.....
Theriot gets non-tendered. Uribe takes his spot at 2B. 2B and C were two of the weak spots last year. Uribe fills that spot and then some. Giving Furcal and Blake time off when needed. Wish we could get a 3B to replace Blake.
And Uribe seems like a hard nose player, the type we desperately need to hlep fire the team up. Litlly, Kuroda, Uribe, Lopes (I know he’s a coach)….but they are all beasts.
I have been saying McCheap has money. NOW….let’s get Werth or Crawford out there romaing the OF next year! Oh yeah, and get rid of Martin. I would prefer a platoon of Ellis and Barrajas. And watch out for Yorbit Torrealba. We could go after him.
So far, Dodgers making the right moves
by The Real Pancho on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM PST reply actions
I see you haven’t skipped ahead in the book too far.
You won’t like the ending.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Spoiler Alert
Ned’s not getting an iPad.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he might
but he’d immediately delete the Crawford screen saver.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
eric....what ending.
Dodgers have filled spots up that were needed so far. What’s wrong with hoping more moves are coming? I called the siging of the pitchers. Even Garland. Not on here of course because I am new. I also said Lopes would be back once I head Phils weren’t re-signing him. So far, I haven’t missed a beat. Don’t jinx us man, lol. Let’s hope for Werth and maybe a catcher. I may not like the ending, but I have like the book so far this winter!
by The Real Pancho on Nov 29, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
sorry bout the spelling in my post! uglyy!!!!
was in a hurry to leave home, lol.
by The Real Pancho on Nov 29, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
An Ellis/Barajas combo all year
will suck, both at the plate and at throwing out baserunners. Even at his suck levels, Martin was an above-average catcher, and that is probably worth the $6M or whatever he will get. A bottom of the order of Uribe, Barajas/Ellis, Pitcher, could be a tremendous black hole. Even just using Uribe’s last two years (good years), his OBP was .318. .318!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Funniest thing that no one has considered
Will be if Theriot isn’t non-tendered on Thursday.
Has been mentioned
but in the earlier thread.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Don’t make me post the Bee Gees again.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of the move
Uribe is a definite upgrade at second base, but at 3 years at 7 million per, it’s a bit excessive. And now the Dodgers have that much less money to go towards an impact bat. If it came down to having a more balanced lineup with Uribe, or getting a big bat and having Theriot at second, I would take the latter. I think Crawford/Werth would more than offset having Theriot in the lineup everyday.
I know most here don’t like him, but you could do a lot worse than Theriot.
Nothing is ever easy.
Crawford and Werth would also cost dramatically more than the ~$3 million difference in the 2011 salaries of Uribe and Theriot.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm partial to
Duodenums
Space/time continuums
Eczemas
Pierres
Trilobites
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
how about
the Pumas?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Not a fan of the name. Has nothing to do with Michigan
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Naming the franchise
without knowing the city first is putting the cart before the horse, or committing $21M to 2B when you don’t know what the hell you are doing in LF yet.
The Mexico City Wolverines does not work.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
nor does the Portland Wolverines
or the Montreal Wolverines
or the Vancouver Wolverines
or the San Antonio Wolverines
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
San Antonio Colts
no horse names in Baseball.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
too powerful an animal. Needs to be like San Antonio Ponies or San Antonio Colt 45s
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Colt 45s already existed
they became the Astros
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
And they had female ushers called Triggerettes
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
THat
is some hair style / hair helmet she’s sporting there.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That must have been the inspiration
for the bike helmet design
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Here's what the grounds crew had to wear
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing?
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Orange Cotton Scarf - LOL
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Maddz could have crocheted those for them.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is Maddz a
crotchety crocheter ?
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I know it was the early 60s
but did SE Texas boys really wear shorts, white socks and loafers?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m more concerned with the pants up to the nipples and the shirt tucked in
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
it just a fierce look overall, isn’t it?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Am I going out on a limb to say these
outfits were designed by people who cannot legally get married or die for our country?
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Well
Those drawings were all prepared by Evelyn Norton Anderson, a Houston-based clothing and costume designer who was hired by team owner Judge Roy Hofheinz to create the staff attire at Colt Stadium and then at the Astrodome. The team still has copies of many of Anderson’s drawings, which were used to recreate the uniforms for last weekend’s throwback game.
Even the broadcasters had uniforms:
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Houston was, of course, the Colt 45s, before becoming the Astros.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
thank you, everyone, for assuming I don’t know my baseball history : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'd wager
that 90% of the people here had no idea the Houston Astro’s were originally the Colt 45’s.
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I think Stallions could work. The San Antonio Stallions.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The proud people of San Antonio
will not use an animal as their name, they prefer pieces of a cowboy getup.
San Antonio Saddles
San Antonio Hats
San Antonio Boots
San Antonio Holsters
Spurs, they use Spurs.
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San Antonio Roses!
And Bob Wills slyly nods.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Baseball teams, in vague descriptions
3 birds
2 socks
2 Native Americans
1 Type of person from the north
2 types of water animal
1 Fisherman
3 land animals
1 Nobility
1 sportsman
1 heavenly being
1 set of identical people
1 lawman
1 city
1 really uncreative name for citizens of this city
1 uncreative name of citizens of the country
1 color
1 space….thing
1 job of people in the city
1 group of thieves
1 mountain range
1 mythical creature
1 man of the cloth
and
a group of loveable bums.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this is a list I'd have expected BH to come up
welcome to the big time Tommy
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sweet, big time
I’m sure you’ll send me down soon enough, telling me I have to “Work on being a big-time poster.” :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
crap
already questions about my attitude. I better memorize where all the trash cans are. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Flipflopflyball did it first
http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-teamnames.html
and his latest: http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-eitherside.html
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
The Venn diagram
is a nice touch, but I like Tommy’s descriptions better.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Because
he’s one of ours and not one of them
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all the ones I can think of
sound lame.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
San Jose Scorpions
Riverside Nightcrawlers
Buelton Beetles
Eastern Mississippi Mudbugs
Nova Scotia Mosquitoes
Aren’t scorpions arachnids, like spiders, and not insects?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
scorpions
would be the one I’d use.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Totally have to get Preying Mantis in there
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What's the plural for that
Mantises? Manti?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Just name them after the city
Like Shelbyville Shelbyvillans
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I guess Theriot had to be replaced
so that Lopes could focus solely on Kemp’s baserunning.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Catching news
1) Yorvit Torrealba signed for 2/ $6.25m with Texas (per Heyman)
2) The Dodgers and Russell Martin haven’t spoken for about a week (per Dylan H)
Russell should bring flowers, or a boom box
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Bengie is available?
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Definitely perspiring.
Not a member or affiliated with McCOVEY CHRONICLES in ANY way/shape/form.
Despite all my hoarsely screamed threats SBNation cannot delete them from my profile.
by victor frankenstein on Nov 29, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Martin’s agent, Matt Colleran, said that although he and the Dodgers exchanged “general ideas” about a pre-deadline deal ensuring that the team would avoid the potentially costly arbitration process, the club has not presented his client with a formal offer.
Those tea leaves lean toward the deal getting done, at least as I read them.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Agreed. I still think a deal will get done.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it was Thanksgiving. Not in Canada, I guess, but they are godless.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I thought they worshipped the Queen?
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Now this I can agree with.
Uribe just needs to be better than Ryan Theriot at second base.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
FWIW
Giants’ beat writer Andrew Baggarly in his Uribe story noted that the Dodgers did in fact offer 2/$22m to Huff, which the Giants matched.
had the Dodgers signed Huff AND Uribe
I would have said they mine as well just keep “Don’t Stop Believing” at this point!
On that note,
“Aubrey Huff re-signed with the Giants for two-years and $22MM guaranteed, plus an option for a third year. GM Brian Sabean was given the okay to match any offer Huff received, and he’s now focused on finding a shortstop.” as per MlbTradeRumors
In your opinion
if Huff had agreed to that deal, do they also still do the Uribe / Garland deals?
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In regards to the FanGraphs noted at the end of the post
I do think the Dodger pitching can do that (allow 77 runs less) with the stability of the rotation now 1-5
Runs scored…I would hope so given Uribe’s got more pop and I would hope Kemp discovers how to play baseball again…
OT: Flip Cams
Cool or no? What would I use it for?
Thinking of getting one just because…
We love our Flip HD Cam. Really easy and does the trick. Great for uploading and sending personal emails to folks to see the video if you don’t want it all over FB
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 29, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I love my Flip
but I wish my phone could be a flip/audio/phone/small tablet product.
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I’ve got one with the intention of videoing my kids. I’ve done that maybe 2-3 times. I just use my iPhone or digital camera 99% of the time so it’s just an extra device for me.
Yea that is what Im worried about
I’m not sure I would use it enough, or at least anymore than I could use the video function on a regular pocket camera.
Just because it's awesome
here’s what the grounds crew at the Astrodome used to wear:
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There are many things you could pay me to do
wearing that outfit is not one of them
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Awesome pulls on this stuff
I’m figuring that is two weeks of research in 1980.
Does anyone need Librarians anymore? I’ll have to ask Bob what it is they do these days.
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most cackle and laugh when people like come in crying because something hasn’t been archived on the internet yet
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
is "me" missing?
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I think that is a fine title for a book
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but back in 1980
I would have had to either fly to Houston, since they were the owners of these images, or hope someone put them in a book, and that my library had that book or had an agreement with a library that had it
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Right,
some company (Sports Illustrated) would have flown you to Houston to do the research, where you would have stayed in fine hotels, dined on fine food, while flirting with Cowboy Librarians as you complete your task.
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Yeah, other than 2009 his BABIP is always pretty bad.
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
DodgersGM on Twitter- funny AND prophetic
his pre-Thanksgiving post:
Just paid $30 for a $20 turkey because it was the one Brian Sabean wanted. #Dodgers #sfgiants
From Tim Brown:
• Juan Castro(notes): The first to ever tell me an infielder can toughen his hands by urinating on them, he deserves a mention here.
this must be why there are no female major leaguers
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Who says females
can’t piss on their hands?
LAST SEASON, I led this team in ninth-inning doubles in the month of August!
that
and there’s no crying in baseball
(runs)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
NFPOT
Since we are at 850 comments, just a quick fan post until Eric puts up something new.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/29/1842599/really-ned-really
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