Dodgers 2011 #10 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 5, 2010 12:41 PM PDT
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PrintWith a late surge, Aaron Miller was able to win the #9 prospect vote, holding off both Ethan Martin and Ivan De Jesus Jr. There is just one spot left in the coveted TBLA top 10 prospects for 2011, so it will be interesting to see who captures the #10 vote. Thus far, the TBLA Prospect List looks like:
1. Jerry Sands
3. Zach Lee
4. Rubby De La Rosa
6. Dee Gordon
8. Allen Webster
9. Aaron Miller
Since I added quite a few names last time, the only player I’m going to add is Matt Magill. We are going to continue voting using the comment method, so refer to the fanpost and submit your vote in the comments. I’m going to leave this vote open throughout the weekend, which should give everyone a chance to vote. Also, if both Ethan Martin and Ivan De Jesus Jr. get the overwhelming majority of the support in this round, I’m probably going to award the #11 prospect to the 2nd place finisher. However, if I see that the vote is more spread out, we’ll have an actual #11 prospect vote starting on Monday. Finally, I think I’ve decided that we are going to go 20 deep in the prospect voting this year, with we are basically halfway done.
To make it obvious for those not reading the whole article, Click Here To Vote.
As always, use this thread to talk about the voting and other things, and only use the other Fanpost to submit your votes.
The round 10 candidates (ages as of 2011 opening day):
Ethan Martin (21.75 years old) RHP – Martin had terrible stats in 2010, but his stuff is still solid. He throws in the mid 90’s, occasionally hitting 98, and has a big breaking curveball. He also has a developing changeup, and is still just 21 years old. His biggest problem last season related to the fact that his fastball lacked movement, so he needs to improve that as well as the mental aspect of his game.
Jonathan Garcia (19.25 years old) OF – Garcia played the entire 2010 season as an 18 year old and posted some very solid stats. The only caveat to his .305 average and 10 homers is that he did most of his damage at home in the Raptors hitter friendly park. He’s a little undersized at 5’11", but plays solid defense and at 19 years old he still could still hit a growth spurt.
Garrett Gould (19.5 years old) RHP – Gould had a solid season in the Pioneer League as a 19 year old (4.06 ERA, 3.39 FIP), although his velocity dipped a bit during the season. However, his drop in velocity can be explained by a couple of injuries and the fact that this was really his first full season of professional baseball. In addition to his fastball, he has a very strong curveball, and like most young pitchers is working on his changeup.
Scott Elbert (25.5 years old) LHP – Battled personal problems and injuries in 2010, but the lefty is still just 25 and has nasty stuff when he is able to get it over the plate. According to a recent interview, it sounds like he will be strictly a reliever in the future.
Kyle Russell (24.75 years old) OF – Best known for his plus power and his strikeout totals, most prospect hounds either love him or hate him. Russell dominated the California League before getting promoted to AA where he struggled initially before hitting a hot streak over the final month of the season. Kyle is also a solid defender with a very good arm in right field.
Nathan Eovaldi (21 years old) RHP – Throws gas, but has never recorded particularly high strikeout numbers. According to Charlie Hough, the low strikeout totals are due his poor command. Had a mediocre season in 2010, and was limited due to a mid season oblique strain. He is still being groomed as a starter, although it has been rumored that consistency with his breaking pitches will determine his future role.
Ivan De Jesus Jr (23.75 years old) 2B – A broken leg cost him virtually all of his 2009 season, but De Jesus responded pretty nice bounce-back year in 2010. Hit .296 with 7 homers, although it should be noted he played his home games the very hitter friendly stadium. He doesn’t really have a plus skill, but seems to hold his own in most aspects of the game and is still just 23 years old. He is basically limited to 2B now on an everyday basis, although he could probably play enough shortstop to fill the role of a middle infield utility player.
Brian Cavazos–Galvez (23 years old) OF – After an outstanding 2009 season, BCG got off to an extremely slow start with the Great Lakes Loons. By the time 2010 season was over, however, Cavazos-Galvez had put together one of the best all around seasons of any Dodger minor leaguer. He hit .318, smacked 18 homers, stole 43 bases, and drove in 77 runs. The negatives about BCG are that he was a little bit old for LoA, and that he isn’t a very strong outfield defender.
Matt Magill (21 years old) RHP – Magill surprised a lot of people with his great 2010 season, and even led the minor leagues with a .194 opponents’ batting average. Also had a 3.28 ERA, a 1.10 WHIP, and had 9.6 strikeouts per 9 innings as a 20 year old. Some scouts describe his stuff as fringy, although throws in the low 90’s and has a slider that was too much for the Midwest League hitters.
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Netflix is pretty good.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
i've been thinking of switching
I currently have Blockbuster online
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I started there
cause of the free movie when you turn it in thing. But I’m just no longer interested in subsidizing a dying company
by Josie Becker on Nov 5, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
that’s why I’m staying for now, but looking at netflix, they just seem to have more stuff I would like to rent.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Netflix seems to have just about everything. I am always like months behind on catching up with movies I want to see though. If I say new release it could be something that came out on DVD three months ago.
how many dvds
do they let you have at once?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They have different plans
1, 2 or 3, depending on how much you want to pay per month.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Depends on how much you want to pay.
I’m perpetually behind on movie watching so having to wait a month for new releases is not a problem for me.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
it's all about long term tv show watching
it took a year or so to go thru all 9 seasons of the X-Files. We are currently in season 4 of Homicide.
exactly
I got into Warehouse 13, had to go back and catch up with Eureka. Same thing with Mad Men turning me on to Breaking Bad, and it’s just fun to rewatch Battlestar Galactica from the start, it’s got all seven Buffy seasons, you can see where Dollhouse went wrong, Bones from the beginning, etc.
Streaming TV shows is great. I’ve been streaming X-Files for the last month or so. Just started season 5 last night.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Agreed
I’m about to catch up to 30 rock by closing out all of season 4 in a week.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm probably canceling my cable in a week or two
and going straight Hulu and Netflix streaming.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Illegally
I’ll probably reup my cable for baseball season, and I already have to go to a bar or watch the Texans games illegally, and I don’t watch basketball Hockey or NCAA football with enough regularity to spend whatever god awful amount I’m spending right now.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
This isn’t the voting thread.
I voted for DeJesus last time, but changed it to Gould this round because I think he’s still a top ten prospect in this system. I just hope he’s at low-A next year, because getting stalled at Odgen would suck.
I know. But we still debate it here.
I actually am thinking that Gould > Martin for me as well. Canuck’s argument that Gould was young for his age in a very pro-hitters environment sold me.
I’m sure him and Lee are going to Great Lakes.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wish all the minor league teams were within driving distance. Rancho is a bit far to go and I think that’s our closest team.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I’m an advocate for having our Triple-A team in Long Beach. But that would basically take the Dodgers spending money on something they don’t have to.
is there a AAA team there?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
they’d have to really fix up Blair’s locker rooms and stands to be a legit MiLB stadium. But, if we had a minor league team in Long Beach, I’d probably buy season tickets.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I'd want to go
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
and those jerseys
I mean I get it, you’re a fierce dog, but why is there a chain in your mouth? Are you hear to tell me about the ghost of Christmas past?
I will at least say that I noticed little difference between the Forum and Long Beach Arena as a child.
Slayer, Lamb of God, Children of Bodom and Mastodon
where not a dissapointment at the long beach arena. Well, ok, LoG was.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
that's for me
and my beer budget to decide!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted Garcia
thought about Martin & Gould.
Martin – Needs to show semblance of control.
Gould – Can’t wait to see what he does next year. Velocity decline is a concern.
This has been the first vote
where I wasn’t dead set that I was right in who should be next. I’m going with Dejesus strictly because he’s closer to the majors, has past performance in the minors pre-injury, and the only real concern left with him is if his plate discipline will return which isn’t based on continued recovery from his injury.
He and Rubby are the only two guys I want to go to Spring Training to take a look at. Rubby to see if his 100mph has movement that is causing all these groundballs, and Dejesus to see how his feet/glove look.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Back in the day, whenever Rush came on the radio
I always flipped the station. Hate Geddy Lee’s voice and don’t find the music all that interesting.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yes he is quite the nasal
but I like their dynamics, and Neil Peart
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
as a drummer I presume (he is talented)
and not as a lyricist.
I still miss Keith Moon. The energy in his drumming on old Who records (yes, I know, they all are old) is ridiculous.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Almost one of a kind
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Pretty much
I got nothing for “comps”.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
what about the voice of geddy lee
How did it get so high?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i know him and he does!
and you’re my fact-checkin’ cuz.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
aww
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
One of the few LHH catchers
who has been able to hit in the past. Not sure he has anything left. Was hurt most of last year.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Not really understanding the Martin vote
It’s not like he just struggled like Withrow did. He collapsed.
His last 9 starts: 31.1 IP, 39 ER, 50 H, 9 HR, 33 BB, 29 SO
When somebody gets the yips like that, you have to wonder if they are going to make it back. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Martin go back to 3B eventually.
Let me just say
it’s a whole hell of a lot easier to go from offensive player to pitcher like Kenley, than it is to be strictly a pitcher then go try to hit a baseball again.
If he tries to go all Rick Ankiel on us, he’s not going to make the major leagues as a hitter, without some sort of performance enhancer, until he’s 32 years old if at all. His best bet is to stick with being a pitcher.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Oh come now
this is totally different. If he was to make the move this winter it would be no different then if he was drafted out of college as a 3rd baseman. He’s only two years removed from high school.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
he’s also two years removed from seeing live pitching and would be trying to relearn a skill against better pitching than he’s ever faced before.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
That a long way from this
If he tries to go all Rick Ankiel on us, he’s not going to make the major leagues as a hitter, without some sort of performance enhancer, until he’s 32 years old if at all. His best bet is to stick with being a pitcher.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He’ll be almost 22 at the start of next year, they won’t change him to a hitter mid-season, so best case scenario he’ll be 23 and three years removed from hitting, and he’ll probably have to go back down to rookie ball to do so. Even if he follows a typical hitter’s path from there, he’ll be 27/28(?) before cracking the majors. I may have overshot on 32 (frankly because I thought he was older already) but it’s still not really a viable option anymore.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Ankiel
was like 25 when he went back to hitting. I’m not saying this is what should be done with E. Martin, but its definitely not too late.
Other then the five year difference in age
I think the comparison is totally on target. Of course Logan White’s ego might be on the line here since he is the one who drafted him as a pitcher and Blake Smith as a hitter. It looks like maybe he should have swapped the two like most scouts felt. For DeJon Watson to do it, he would need some balls.
Of course it is very possible that they have already considered it and feel Martin would suck even worse as a hitter. Canuck may have come up with a comp for AJ Burnett, I’d like to see him come up with a comp for Martin who had success in only two months of the 10 months he has pitched.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Rick Ankiel is a shitty hitter though and one of the worst center fielders in MLB.
If Martin’s upside is Ankiel, I’d be wary to make a switch.
Well at least Martin was a 3B
I don’t think we have any of those :)
This is my point
could he do it? Maybe. But we know he has dominant stuff that just needs to be controlled. It’s hard as shit to develop better pitches. Control just comes from repetition. The kid will be fine. Someone teach him a splitter.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
We don't know that he has dominant stuff
He has a mid-90’s fastball and a decent curve, but to say dominant is a huge stretch.
Why does Rick Ankiel have to be the comparison here?
Other players who converted from pitchers to hitters:
Babe Ruth
Stan Musial
Mark McGwire
Jack Clark
Dave Kingman
Sadaharu Oh
:)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone pitched in little league
let’s count them too.
Honestly, if we’re talking about 6 hitters, even with 5 of them being among the best in the game in their eras, it’s an extremely small sample size of successes.
Could he do it? Sure, why not. It’s just very, very hard to do nd shouldn’t be seen as a better option than actually drafting a third baseman next year who would start out at the same level as Martin would without having to re-learn everything.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I understand that it's a small sample size
but Ethan Martin is hardly a typical athlete. He was considered a 1st round talent as a 3B as well, and I’d rather the Dodgers take a step back with the kid so that he can take two steps forward than for him to end up as another Elbert.
It’s old now, but here’s a couple of scouting reports on Martin as a 3B:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/scouting-the-braves-the-east-cobb-braves/
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-draft-part-1/
(scroll down)
You bottom three
I do not believe were converted to hitters after they had failed as pitchers in the minor leagues. They were college pitchers if I remember correctly and if your going that route then their are a gazillion college pitchers who were drafted as hitters including Dave Winfield.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Garcia doesn't walk very much and made 9 errors in 60 games as an OFer
So yeah, he’s got a lot of promise (892 OPS, 41 extra-base hits in 239 ABs), but he needs a lot more polish before he can be considered a legit prospect.
my vote was for Dejesus btw
.324/.419/.423 as a 21-year-old shortstop in 2008, then .296/.335/.405 in his first year after recovering from a freaking broken leg? I think those numbers will only go up.
I don’t think you guys are appreciating how bad that line is in Albuquerque.
Really the concerning thing is the walks, if he can’t get those back, he’s Hu with worse defense.
Ya, the walks need to come back up big time.
I think he dropped down to 5% on BB/PA
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Plus his ceiling is maybe league average 2B if he doesn’t get that mobility back that made him a SS.
Spend sleepless nights worried about it?
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if he was our starting 2nd baseman
and if he could play defense like Juan Castro did when he was 24 I’d sleep comfortably.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Juan Castro wouldn't worry me much
But if his ceiling is Angel Valdez….
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He might be a better 2nd baseman then Hu
He missed a full year of live pitching. According to Gary Scott that means five years of baseball time it will take him to recover.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He's 18 and was one of the youngest players in the league.
he needs a lot more polish before he can be considered a legit prospect.
This doesn’t make sense.
I.e., he has good raw hitting skills...
but he needs to get better on defense and learn the strike zone. These skills come with more experience, or “polish.”
Yea but all prospects need more "polish"
If he had more polish at his age, he wouldn’t be a legit prospect, he would be Jayson Heyward.
There enlies the problem, though
A lot of guys hit well at age 18, then fall apart because pitchers figure them out or they get hurt or they get a DUI or they rob a liquor store or they get busted for steroids or etc etc etc. On the other hand, we know that Dejesus is capable of being a solid hitter (.324/.419/.423 at age 21, .296/.335/.405 in first year after major injury last year), and that he’s not injury-prone (injury history is blank except for the broken leg, which occurred in a freak accident at home plate and was not a result of “having a bad knee” or “constantly having so-and-so body part in pain,” a la J.D. Drew or Nomar). Basically, Dejesus is a better prospect because he’s got a better chance of being a solid MLB contributor. We won’t even know for probably 2 years if Garcia can make that kind of impact.
I don't know
I stopped reading after this
or they get a DUI or they rob a liquor store or they get busted for steroids or etc etc etc.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Point was to recognize how long it is until 18-year-olds are ready for the big leagues, and any potential pitfalls they could face
I’m sure you remember Andrew Lambo getting a steroid bust, or another recent high draft pick by us getting arrested for stealing computers or something, or somebody like Josh Hamilton getting suspended by the MLB 47 times before he turned 20? Point is (was?) that we don’t have to worry about those things with Dejesus; we know he’s a good character guy who’s not prone to injury and could probably start for us at a middle infield position right now. Garcia might be the greatest hitter alive for all I know. But he also might tear an ACL, or develop a fondness for HGH, or lose interest in baseball and become a professional skydiver over the next four years. Dejesus…almost certainly not.
Lambo
was busted for weed dude.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Could have sworn it was steroids
Now I’m pissed we traded him. If he and Ned ever spent a night on the town we could have seen the first-ever $300 million contract handed out to a backup catcher (Yorvit Torrealba, I’m guessing).
He also has major attitude issues
even after we traded him.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Right, he might only break his leg
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Fair point
But worth mentioning that a lot of guys suffer a major injury and are then never the same. Admittedly, Dejesus’ 2010 season wasn’t as good as his 2008 season, but it was definitely solid, and gives me hope that he can improve on it in 2011.
As reg pointed out
a line of .296/.335/.405 (a pretty empty .300 hitter) in Albuquerque is hardly “solid”. This is a place where AAAA hitters put up 1.000 OPS numbers. Tony Abreu hit .353 / .385 / .615 there, then hit .233 / .244 / .316 for Arizona last year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Again, though, there's the broken leg issue
Dejesus played his entire 2008 season in AA, then broke his leg and missed nearly the entire 2009 season. Then in 2010, he goes to AAA (where, yes, the stadium does make it easier to hit, but the competition is still much better), and you have to expect his timing will probably be a little off, and he may not be as tempted to try and steal bases, and he might not be as nimble in the field. I still think that his 2008 season proves that he can be a valuable player. Garcia hitting .300 with a .900 OPS at Ogden at 18 does impress me, but it doesn’t prove to me that he can be a valuable major leaguer.
So basically
What you’re saying is that you don’t care what any prospect does until they reach AA or AAA.
What you’re saying is that you don’t care what any prospect does until they reach AA or AAA.
I’ll jump in here to say this:
The lesson of the Dodgers’ minor leagues in 2010 is that one should have a very, very jaundiced eye toward what any prospect does until he hits AA.
Maybe that’s a slight overstatement, but only slight.
Now with 33% more Kavula
But even you agreed
that Zach Lee is no doubt in the top six!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yes, I did, and I do
Which is why I don’t say I think it’s reasonable to ignore everything before AA.
But Lee has my jaundiced eye. Very jaundiced. Like instead of the white of my eye it’s yellow.
Now with 33% more Kavula
I’ll also say this: if one thinks Lee is the Dodgers’ top prospect, I think that says as much about the rest of our prospects as it does about Lee.
Now with 33% more Kavula
There are plenty of teams
Whose first round pick will be ranked the #1 prospect by BA.
The Orioles for example.
Not saying that
But I take any pre-AA/AAA numbers with a gigantic grain of salt. Right now I’d put Garcia at honorable mention and wait and see how he handles full-season ball at Great Lakes next year. If he’s still putting up impressive numbers there, then yeah he enters into the conversation. But we’ve got to wait and see.
And for the record, I’m not trying to crush everyone’s enthusiasm about Garcia and play troll here. I’m mostly just saying to be cautious. And that I still have faith in Dejesus.
honorable mention meaning outside the top-15? Interesting. Did you vote for Zach Lee at all?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Difference being
27 players were drafted ahead of Lee in the 2010 draft, and only that many because many thought he was on his way to college. 246 players were drafted ahead of Garcia in the ’09 draft. Draft pedigree indicates that Lee is much more likely to be a successful prospect, even though again it is far too early to tell.
No
but it shows that Garcia has a high ceiling, a ceiling that DeJesus will never attain.
DeJesus has never stolen more than 16 bases in a season, so that’s hardly a major portion of what he is bringing to the table. I’d hazard a guess that he is a smart baserunner, the awkward home plate collision coming in standing up notwithstanding.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Oh come on
have him prove how many 18 year olds hit well. In Ogden this year nobody 18 or younger hit better then Garcia base on OPS. Last year at 17 nobody hit as well as Garcia in his age group in the Arizona league except one Mike Trout and Randall Grichuk both number one picks of the Angels. And we talking the 10th best prospect, and DeJesus is not it, the guy with the most upside is. JMO
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
De Jesus vs. Garcia is not a matter of who is a better prospect; it’s a matter of how one value prospects. As others have stated, De Jesus has a good chance of being an okay player while Garcia has a small chance of being a great player. How can one reconcile those varying outcomes? Assume Garcia’s a cat . . .
Why can DeJesus
become an okay player but Garcia has to be a great player? If you asked who has the best chance of being an Okay player, wouldn’t you take the guy who as the physical skills to play the outfield, and the only question is how much of a bat he will provide over a guy you already know probably has a ceiling of Alex Cora?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
At age 21, in AA ball...
Alex Cora had a line of .234/.279/.317, coming out to a shit-tastic .596 OPS. I’ve already mentioned Dejesus’ age 21 season a hundred times, so I’ll let you go back and look up his age 21 numbers. Cora definitely did improve, and at age 23 in AAA hit .308/.348/.430, which is slightly better than Dejesus’ age 23 year in AAA…but then again, Cora didn’t miss his entire age 22 season with an injury. Point is, I wouldn’t call “Cora-to-Ivan” a fair comparison.
I would
at the exact same age in in the exact same league they were fairly comparable. They were both minor league SS who ended up becoming 2nd baseman. They will both probably end up being utility infielders. They both have no power, they both have lower then normal speed for a middle infielder, they both have some plate discipline. I think the the comp is right on. Which means that DeJesus is going to be worth something because players like Cora have value, and for the right team would even make a decent starting option.
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One big difference
Alex Cora hits left-handed, which is a plus.
(They are similar is size too, I think.)
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Cora can't hit
And never could. His highest OBP while in the minors for a lengthy period of time was .348, and his career minor league numbers are .270/.313/.374. Dejesus’ line is .295/.369/.378, which is obviously much better. Cora didn’t bat over .264 in the minors until he was 23; Dejesus hasn’t batted under .277 in any of his minor league seasons. There’s more I could say but just trust me…Dejesus is a better hitter than Cora. And btw, just because a guy is a middle infielder without much power doesn’t mean that he’s useless.
The argument isn’t that he is useless, it’s that he has a low ceiling. Ceilings matter when prospect gazing.
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True, but you can't throw everything behind them
Take Pedro Baez for instance. Guy’s got a lot of power and a ton of raw hitting ability, and has been praised by prospect judgers since his solid full-season debut at Ogden in 2008. But after a while, we saw that he was a free-swinger with no grasp of the strike zone as well as a bad defensive third baseman. He had the ceiling of a 30-homer guy, but never developed into one. Is Garcia on that same track? I don’t know, maybe he’s the next Kemp (one of the raw talent guys who did manage to pan out). But I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
I know that's hyperbole but
you’re not betting your life on it, you are trying to place a prospect in the 10-15 range.
And Baez was rightfully a higher prospect then than he is now. Potential and tools, but he doesn’t look like he’s going to make it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
DeJesus is more likely to be the next Tony Abreu.
Garcia could be a complete bust, but if he keeps doing well and moving up, he will be our next starting RF hitting 25 bombs a year.
I’m taking the high ceiling over the low upside I guess. Proximity to the majors isn’t that important to me and even if it were, DeJesus’ line from last year at ABQ is pretty bad. I hope he bounces back and proves me wrong though.
only reason I didn’t vote for him is because I worry that even if he develops a MLB bat we may not have a position to play him.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
This is silly
If he develops an MLB bat there will be a place for him.
That's years away
I wouldn’t worry about that yet.
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Can't agree
how much polish can a 18 year old have. The man now has two professional seasons on his resume and he’s does not turn 19 until next week. You guys are picking players 3 – 4 years older who have all failed one way or another. Garcia has done nothing but succeed for two years in a row. Anyone else on this list meet that criteria?
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He's my next vote
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Mine too I believe
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I'm rethinking my stance on whether or not this is a good idea
Also, if both Ethan Martin and Ivan De Jesus Jr. get the overwhelming majority of the support in this round, I’m probably going to award the #11 prospect to the 2nd place finisher.
That sort of assumes that a large portion of E. Martin supporters wouldn’t move to someone other than DeJesus, another pitcher perhaps.
I’m leaning E. Martin here and Gould for the next vote.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
yeah i'm going to do it if it is in fact an overwhelming majority...like the 2 of them got 95% of votes
which as of right now that doesn’t seem to be the case since garcia already had 4 votes.
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 5, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Dejesus and Garcia
If Ivan walks more like he did 2 yrs ago he could become like ODog…
Garcia looks like a young Pedro Guererro..same build .this young stud only 18 yr old threw out 12 runners from RF in 60 games…he has a rocket arm…good sense of playing OF…can hit for averaGE..2 Years above .300 and has 25+ hr power…
He could replace Ethier.
Burned.
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JOSIE
If you are buying a consolfe for streaming for the next few months I recommend the PS3 over the Xbox. Hulu Plus won’t be coming to the 360 till spring. Plus, blu ray. Games is a whole nother dogfight.
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It’s more expensive, but I agree.
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wait
XBox 360 doesn’t have blu-ray? Why didn’t I leave at 1:45 instead of 1:30. Well, I’ve got my 360 now, and netflix on my tv instead of on my laptop like I’m still in college. plus I bought FIFA, so delias, you’ve been challenged. keith you’re on watch too
Wow. When you make a decision, you make a decision.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
returns Josie
returns!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
see you adults
with your established credit ratings make me sick. I screwed up my credit rating cause I was young and foolish, and now if I don’t have the cash ahead of time I ain’t getting it. Not that another $100 would put me in the poor house, but it’s harder to justify to myself
Mr. F would have lent you the money interest free if you had not passed on him
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No comment.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Well, if you’re really thinking things through…
Anybody know if there are any holiday related specials? Holiday bundles are common. It might make getting a PS3 easier to stomach (ie, not any cheaper, but extra game or controller or something).
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
BTW
you do have a HDTV with HDMI right? pretty sure it’s required for a ps3. feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
WRONG
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figured
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
thinking on it
I use netflix almost every night, I can really only play FIFA on Fridays, and I’m not really interested in going Blu-Ray yet. I think 360 is my machine from this generation.
and I’m not paying to play online, I’ll pay for someone’s gas to come over and play with me if it comes to that
The gold subscription is also required for netflix
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Yes
If your goal is to use it as a media center, the PS3 is the best, most future proof option. You could debate on games, but its not as clear cut Ms as it was a year or two ago.
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Right. Netflix costs nothing extra on PS3. Blu-ray is there of course.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
I'd just like to point out
that I got way more information from y’all, voluntarily, than I got from the four people Gamestop had on the clock when I was the only person in the store
Yes they are
they where scared to death!
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You guys know Josie is just playing FIFA and not looking at this anymore.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a good game
if only I could get into sports games. Alas.
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MLB the Show is the one that I love. I have 4 road to the show guys going. My one major league guys is 5 years in playing 1B for Texas.
I hit .311/.330/.500 with 13 homers and 60RBI’s.
I am not patient enough, but my power is getting better.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You really have to subscribe to Gold for Netlix. Hot dang
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
And get a PS3!
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Is there a better option
for running Hulu and the like from your PC to the TV then game boxes? The best solution?
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Roku Box
or Google TV. Roku box is the cheapest solution, and will have hulu plus support soon.
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Not looking for the cheapest, looking for the best
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Well
right now I can’t say which one is best. Roku box is good, but set up can be a hassle, but not overly difficult. If you use Itunes for video the best option is Apple tv, otherwise I would recommend Roku. Google tv is going to cost 300 bucks right now for everything roku can do, but with a better ability to surf the web on your tv.
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I remember looking at Roku
before, can’t remember why I didn’t pull the trigger.
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Actually
a lot of new tvs and blu ray players have built in support for these things.
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Right. I bought a blu-ray player for my mom that has built-in Hulu and Netflix streaming. The interface isn’t as “snappy” (ie, fast) as a console, but it works and I use it at home home. The one I’ve had experience with is an LG something or another. I think it was roughly $170ish.
A lot of blu-ray players also stream music and the like from a computer music server, which is another bonus.
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But if meercat is talking about “best”… the consoles are better than the cheaper blu-ray players. I can’t speak for the blu-ray players that cost as much as a console (or Roku or the other things).
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So are you saying that even if I don't play any video games
that a video game console solution is the best solution? And if so are we talking the PS3?
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If you want something
that also includes blu ray… I would say yes.
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or maybe
I haven’t researched the blue ray players in a while, and you will have to wait for new ones that support hulu plus, or at least an updated firmware. Its kind of confusing right now, its really in its infancy and there is no clear right solution.
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I have the PS3 and love it, but I gotta say, Blu-Ray will be obsolete before it even gets going. Things will be increasingly streaming based/ ipTV
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
for those of us in Orange County maybe, but the state of broadband around the country/world is not conducive to everyone being able to stream all at the same time.
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or at all for a lot of people
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Okay
thanks to robot/nolander/Mr. F for answering
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This was certainly true a year or so ago, but I haven’t been keeping up with regular players to say that this year.
But for media, yes, we’re talking PS3 and not xbox/wii, if only for blu-ray and netflix without paying for an xbox gold subscription (I’m taking nolander’s word for it).
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i want a PS3 so badly right now
if it wasnt for the lack of ANY income the last 2 months and a big question mark going forward, i would get one right now. alas. my wife would kill me any way i slice it.
I should hire mintxcore and tripon to landscape my back yard.
by delias man on Nov 5, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
but
I, too, have a need for some unskilled labor.
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I could use a house cleaner...
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Psst… mintxcore… just steal nolander’s ps3 while you’re “cleaning” his “house.”
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Ha Ha could get you 10 - 20
right Mr. Townsend
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you guys ruined my plan
i was gonna work wtih the FBI and do a whole sting operation to retrieve this ps3, in exchanged, they were gonna give me a free ps3
I store nothing incriminating on my ps3
You do not know my depths of paranoia.
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Roku is the best solution right now….or a new blue ray player that is only about $150 with internet streaming apps
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
apps....very dangerous
you go first
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
next few guys....
Gould…Garcia…both have high projections.
Gould if arm is Ok can be like CBills..question is how is his arm?
Garcia has produced in 2 yrs in row..lots to like but in low levels..next yr will tell us a lot.
Dejesus has done well…and looks like a solid 2b as long as he maintain walking at a rate of 10% or more….otherwise value plummets.
Martin is an egnima..we don’t know what to think about him vs last yr.
BCG..solid hitter….likes any pitch like Vlad…will never walk 10% of time(maybe 5%) but contact hitter with power and will hit for average. MVP in 2009 and midwest batting title in 2010. Solid fielder with good arm. Needs to be promoted to AA to really test him this yr.
my order for these guys..
garcia
dejesus
gould
BCG
martin
My order for those guys
Garcia
Gould
DeJesus
Martin
BCG
but Eovaldi & Magill could sneak in between. Those are the two biggest prospect sleepers we have right now.
Magill only turning
21 next week.
Born: November 10, 1989 in Simi Valley, California, US
Based on scouting and stuff Martin gets the nod, based on actual performance MaGill does.
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3ds
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if it costs 300 bucks
I’ll pass
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The PSP2 will likely cost more. But a mobile device as powerful as a X-Box 360, or Wii? Fuck yeah, future of gaming is now.
My feelings on that are the same that I had for PSP
I don’t have much interest in playing more xbox/ps ports on my handheld. I would rather they do something interesting and different with it like Nintendo had done with the DS.
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I should have bought a DS
rather than a PSP, I hardly play the damn thing.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So if you had
no game consoles, but wanted
1. To stream the internet to your TV
2. A Blue Ray Disk
3. Move technology for working out or playing sports game
Is this where you’d go?
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-320GB-System-Move-Bundle-3/dp/B002I0K956/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1288990839&sr=8-3
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Oh jeez
you had to bring move into this. You also might want one of these http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PlayStation-3-Blu-ray-Disc-Remote/dp/B000M17AVO/ref=pd_sim_vg_2. Wait like 2 or 3 more weeks to see what the bundles/deals for black friday are.
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move looks cool
but the only video game anything I can see myself buying in the future is the new Zelda game. I think Twilight Princess may the last game I actually played start to finish.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest factor for me was when my 360 crapped out and PS3 has the best baseball game out there. I also got lucky and came in on a great exclusive title year.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If thats the deal with the 50 dollar game credit
and you really are interested in move thats probably as good a deal as you’ll get this holiday season, though I promise nothing.
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Fark.com headline: Californias to be rapidly transported to and from two places they never want to go
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2010/11/04/central-valley-to-get-high-speed-rail.html
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I take offense at that. I grew up in LA, travelled the world, lived all throughout the Pacific Northwest, and now reside in the Central Valley. Fuck elitists who think their shit is better than others. If I really wanted to live in a prime spot, I’d be in Italy, period. :)
Ahh, things related to my job.
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heh
I wish we had this high speed rail now. A lot of my best friends are up north now, and I wish I could just hop on the rail and visit them.
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Let me just say that if you want high speed rail like Japan
be prepared to pay a lot of money for a trip.
Define a lot
I mean it already is quite costly in gas and time to drive up there
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I would say
$250 round trip, probably takes about 2.5 – 3 hours And there is no discount for children
Just curious
other then those who have family in both places want to spend 160 – 250 just to get to Modesto. To get any place you want to go you’d still have to figure out a way from there to Carmel, SF, Sacarmento, Tahoe, Reno.
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I believe the next step is SJ to SF, then I anticipate some form of SF-OAK, OAK-SAC, SF-LA, LA-SD, LA-LV
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
LA to LV would be the most desirable of all the proposed routes but I was under the impression that it was simply impossible based on having to go through the mountain passes.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like
the best they can do is Victorville to Vegas. So, guess you just need to drive 90 minutes or so to get to the train. Seems convenient.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard it would get complicated because of the whole multiple states thing.
Yeah you can take public transportation from OAK to SF, but no one does. The Richmond, GG and Bay Bridges are always jammed at rush hour.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Hard to believe given that BART has high rider numbers
I imagine lots of people use BART from Oakland to SF and that lots of cars want to use the bridges too. Bridges are natural bottlenecks and in a metro area are always going to be jammed at rush hour.
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You young guys will be old by the time the spurs are built.
I think I was your age when they started talking about the subway.
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Just give me my jet pack
you promised 50 years ago and get out of my way.
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At some point I think they decided/realized the Subway was an expense not a service anyone would use. I can’t imagine taking a bus or rail service in LA just to go around town. I would, however, use it if it was a cheaper alternative to taking longer trips like LV/SF/OAK/SD.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I used to use the subway all the time
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i would LOVE a subway
it was the best when I lived in Boston, never had to worry about parking or traffic. smelly people, yes, but you just brought a book.
Did this book have scratch ’n sniff pages or something?
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
I loved the T. But Boston is a tiny, tiny city. LA is tougher. Still, what’s the alternative? We have too many people and not enough infrastructure. either tear down a bunch of homes and build a bunch more freeways or build public transportation.
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OC needs to get on building a friggin subway
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
It will have to
they keep building more fucking homes, and have even started building high rises in some places Traffic is gonna be intense.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
For 50 years I have failed to understand
why anyone chose to go underground rather then overground using the monorail format, simply building them over existing freeways.
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If you can build that giant carpool / busway lanes bridge
over the Harbor Freeway, I don’t see why the monorail concept can’t work. Seems like the best way to go for the Sepulveda Pass.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
the bridge? That sucks. Right now, I love going from my office to Staples Center, 105 and 110, all carpool lane.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Agreed.
The only thing better than the 105/110 carpool lane is the 2 freeway, which never has anybody on it.
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The argument is that freeways are not destinations. Once you get off the freeway at Wilshire and Sepulveda, then what? You’d need a fleet of buses to get you to the urban centers.
Over freeways works for travelling distances (going from Northridge to Wilshire/Sepulveda would be fine) but it still requires a sizable investment to get to the actual destinations.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren't there a lot of destinations really close to the fwys though?
How many blocks is it from the Harbor Fwy to a ton of downtown offices? A handful? Even in Manhattan, you have to hoof it a bit. My office is right across the street from the 105. One transfer and here I am.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
But I have to get here
from the SFV. The Green Line stop works ok – I’d have to walk maybe 1/2 a mile – but the other end is a no-go.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I suppose the problem is not at the business end
it’s at the residence end. Here in So Cal we live all over the damn place. How do you get to the fwy monorail from your home? Electric bicycle, that’s how!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Thinking about this
I wonder how long it would take me to get from the railroad trestle to the movie studio in Culver City on an electric bicycle.
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20 mph max legally
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#California
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
What's that
like 10 miles? Seems do-able.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yep, 10 miles
Biggest trouble would not be the commute. Biggest trouble would be the fact that it’s my responsibility to drop off Spawn and Folly in the mornings. Can’t really do that on a bike.
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I believe a lot of it has to do the
exiting and the ability to set up locations not so far from where people had to walk to shop, work, etc.
oh yeah
it would not be easy, but it would be wonderful. taking the T to fenway (or near fenway and then walking a short distance) is way better than driving and parking at dodger stadium. minus the red sox fans.
I know people dont want to hear it and don’t agree but:
MOVE DODGER STADIUM TO ~EXPOSITION PARK.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d settle for just an integrated rail network in the center of town. From Santa Monica to Downtown. It can’t be more than 10 miles. Nevermind the outlying areas, just work with Metrolink to increase capacity if it becomes an issue.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It could be that.
Or it could be the NIMBYs in Beverly Hills/Hancock Park got their congressman to write a federal law which prohibited building a subway in the Wilshire corridor.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest for me is the approval of the downtown connector. Currently, to get Pasadena to Staples Center you’d have to take 3 trains (Gold, Red, Blue.)
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I find the Metro lines quite confusing.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
For one stop on the Blue line?
Why not just get off the red line at metro center/7th street and walk down Flower?
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Yes, that’s what one would do.
My point is that it will be a one seat ride from Pasadena to Long Beach after the downtown connector.
It’s a relatively simple project that would be very useful.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So you prefer traffic and smog?
Because I hate those two things. And I often hate driving too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
O/U on the Sepulveda pass rail link?
I’m guessing 2060.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I will celebrate
my 100th birthday that year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
never
its going to be a busline. Some BS about rail over the hill is impossible without tunneling under it
Then it will never be worth it.
BTW, their is currently subway which goes from Studio City to Hollywood, so it’s obviously not impossible.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t fine with most of the city 10 years ago. I think even the Valley voted against it (small margin though.)
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Valley passed that proposition
by a small majority.
BTW – Dr. Keith Richman who was voted as mayor of the proposed SFV city died in late July.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That movement seems to be dead. But if Vegas can build a viable city on gambling, why can’t the Valley do so on porno?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Valley already is a viable city. As you probably remember from that battle, the Valley contributed more in revenues then it received in services. Something about Hahn saying that the Valley would have to pay out for the difference in revenue if secession was won.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If you count the LAUSD spending i see there is no way they contributed more than received. But that is actually counted separate.
Why would you think the Valley receives more than they contibute in LAUSD money?
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LAUSD yearly budget is approx 7 billion. Maybe 2.5-3 billion of that is for valley schools. I do not see how they are putting that much money back into it.
For one thing, they are still bussing into the Valley schools, right?
And 2, that sounds about right in terms of % of funds and % of population that lives in the Valley.
Besides, if it’s true that the Valley contributes more than it gets on the general budget why would it be untrue on the LAUSD budget?
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole point of that movement
was to break up LAUSD. Since that seems not to be a hot burner topic, I don’t think it goes anywhere.
Also, there is the whole thing about governing which no one ever really does.
And the SFV has turned less conservative in the less decade. Not a lot, but less.
Eh, given what goes on, I’m amazed that the number of outbreaks are so low and the impact so seemingly limited. Working at the oil refinery in Wilmington may be more dangerous.
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The Orange Busline
works very well from Warner to NH, they did a great job. They just need to run more buses late at night.
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Yea, I would love this train, but if it is cheaper to fly…then no way
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
To me, the biggest question will not be price
It will be security.
I will pay a little extra if I can get there just as quickly as flying, but without the Kabuki show at airline security that is, in my opinion, just about pointless.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 5, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hah
I find it funny that they really are putting it in the places where it will get the least use first.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
plus
they can apply their lessons learned in a Fresno/Merced line to the SF/SJ line and make that product better. Better to fuck up in cowtown – wait, is Vacaville in the discussion? – than in the Bay Area.
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I leave it up to the good and wise commenters of TBLA
(that’s all of you!), but esp. the twitterers (twits?)
Beto Duran (@DuranLA) : Unfollow or continue to follow?
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Unless I've counted wrong
Ivan the Not So Bad 10
My Second-Favorite Martin 7
Garcia Family Reunion 6
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I think the takeaway here is that our prospects are not that good [sorry BFDC!]. Some of these disagreements (while good natured) are really splitting hairs over largely unproven players.
I think I made a similar comment earlier aabout being depressed by our system and you defended it. I might be wrong . . .
Probably
I try to follow the rest of the league, and our system is not as bad as some of you guys think. Most teams’ systems look like ours if not worse. There are a few standouts (Braves, Royals, Rays) and a few that are probably better just in that they have at least one grade A or A- guy.
Our system clearly has no grade A guys right now, but we probably have as many or more B- to B+ guys as any other team. We don’t have a true star in our system, but we have a lot of depth and guys with potential to make an impact at the big league level even if they’re not all-stars.
But we were once so good. Even after the Jax 5 wave hit the shore, we had a secondary line of players that looked poised to be the next group of guys to follow. Through trade, attrition, lack of performance, that group doesn’t even really exist anymore. I voted Sands and I wouldn’t be surprised if he busted. I think we’re closer to the Ricardo Rodriguez #1 days than the hey day (sp?).
Kinbote:
Yep.
And I may have said this before, but… I think one can rank our top six prospects in just about any order and still be a reasonable person. All of our prospects either have low ceilings or a lot to prove. I do think there’s a distinct line that can be drawn between the top six guys and the rest of the lot, but the general point remains for our entire farm system.
This is why I drink gin.
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I don’t even know if you can say top six, as there was plenty of disagreement on Gordon vs. Withrow/Webster.
At TBLA, sure. But Gordon will be ranked #1 or #2 by BA. They value different things than we do here, but I would certainly call them reasonable. Just because most of us think Gordon’s actual performance overshadows his raw tools that excite scouts doesn’t mean you’re unreasonable if you think differently.
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All of our prospects either have low ceilings or a lot to prove.
This is the case with most teams. Hence the reason for farm systems.
Keyword being “all,” is that really true? Most teams have no one or two players who really stand apart from the pack?
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This
and some scouts would tell you (Keith Law) for example that Dee Gordon and Zach Lee stand apart from the pack.
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That's about right
the top six are the top six, in whatever order. After that come the major yabbuts. (The guys about whom you say, “sure he could do this and has this quality, yeah, but …”)
I’m leaning Garcia, Martin, Gould for the next three. The guy I am really mystified about ranking is Elbert; not sure where to put him.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
My problem with Elbert
He is, from all accounts, going to be used exclusively as a reliever. That makes his ceiling equal to Jansen’s, but he doesn’t have the MLB performance of Jansen to back it up. If Jansen got knocked for having a relatively limited opportunity to help the team, then Elbert should too. If Jansen got a boost because of what he did between the minors and MLB last year, then Elbert should get knocked there too. Throw in the “personal issues” that made him go home for awhile last year, and I don’t find the picture that has been painted to be terribly pretty.
Essentially losing most of 2010
makes it really difficult to gauge him. And you’re right. He may the Dodgers 2010 LOOGY, though that’s not a Ned-like move, which has value, if not that much.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If Kershaw was arb eligible now
as a Super Two, he’d make roughly $4 – 4.5 million in 2011.
Hamels (2006-2008): 3.43 ERA/132 ERA+ (543 IP) 8.6 K/9, 2.4 BB/9
Kershaw (2008-2010): 3.17 ERA/125 ERA+ (483 IP) 9.3 K/9, 4.2 BB/9
Hamels got $4.35 million as part of a multi-year deal.
Signing Kershaw into some of his FA years
Should get major consideration as an important move to make this offseason.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
His buddy Sabean is doing ok with Lincecum and Cain – starting pitchers – though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I feel like if something doesn’t go Neds way that isn’t part of the Ned m.o. he never does it again.
So basically anything but signing mediocre vets and trading for relievers.
that means you think Ned trading for relievers has been a success.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Apologies
it means you think that NED thinks him trading for relievers has been a success
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Ned has shown a remarkable lack of ego when it comes to those relievers, though. From the very beginning, when he got Baez and Carter, they didn’t work out and they were gone. It’s not like he kept them on the roster.
Yes, he keeps trading for relievers, which is disappointing, but at least he doesn’t wed himself to the guys he picks up.
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he also doesn't learn from it either
so I’ll keep sitting on my hands if you think that the fact he realizes the relief pitchers he’s traded for all suck sooner then later.
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Haven’t those things gone wrong too? GA, Dotel, Sherrill’s blow-up this year, etc.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Lincecum deal was a favor Timmy did for that organization. he could easily have had a four year arbitration salary line of $13mil (his 2009 submitted total)/$17m next year/$20m 2012/$23mil 2013.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
IF things went well for Timmah, and he didn’t get hurt, etc. You have to give back something – when arb is your only leverage – in order to get the guaranteed money for multiple years.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Normally true
but he only signed for two years. He could have been 2010 Vicente Padilla this year and still gotten a raise.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
He's guaranteed $23M
plus some incentives. He could have been 2004 Mark Prior this year and blown out his arm. A $23M bird in the hand and not giving up any FA years is hard to turn down.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
True
but mark Prior didn’t go 2-for-2 in his career in Cy Young Awards. I’m saying, even if he does blow out his arm, he still gets a raise and makes more than that 23mil over those two years
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Not
if he blew out his arm this year.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This photo should be used
in every German Tourism advertisement ever:
Well, the background should be photoshopped out.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
All that's missing is the soundtrack of 2,000 drunk Germans singing
“Take Me Home, Country Roads.”
I swear, that was blasting out of every beer tent. I wouldn’t have guessed that.
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I heard the reggae version of that once
by Toots and the Maytals. That was surprising too, but kinda worked.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
so this is how you search for foreign exchange students?
by delias man on Nov 5, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Photos are included in the apps, and I suppose in this day and age, Facebook is a godsend!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Works both ways
if the parents googled you and found your comments on TBLA I suspect you’ d get crossed off the list right after they found this comment. Just the fact NoLander is on here would probably TKO you.
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Fortunately
I have a very common name. Googling me is fairly useless.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I am held in high regard
by various law enforcement agencies.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I'm as impressed
with their ability to hold and drink that stein then I am with the aptly endowed one. How many Dee Gordons does that weigh?
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And two 0.5L jugs.
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by David Young on Nov 5, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The first one looks very much like my first wife
who was 50% pure German. Her Dad could have modeled for a Gestapo poster. We’d have been married 31 years yesterday.
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these two girls look EXACTLY like girls i knew in HS
i know people say that all the time but i’m extra serious. the girl on the far right looks like Jesse Bridges, Jeff Bridges’ daughter and the girl in the middle looks like Laura Johnson. Step daughter of the presto pasta guy. No joke.
Coincidentally
My daughter was in HS with Beau Bridges’ daughter.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Poor Beau
must suck to have Jeff as your brother.
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He lives in Hidden Hills
He is doing just fine. I met him once; he seemed like a nice enough guy too. Did you know his given name is Lloyd Vernet Bridges III ?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'm sure he's doing great
and I was just kidding. He’s had a great career of his own.
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Besides
Jeff is probably a quirky pain in the ass at family gatherings.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Coincidentally
I used to live near Beau Bridges. A good friend of mine lived next door to him.
Speaking of DeJesus
he went 5 for 5 yesterday
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2010_11_04_pddwin_peswin_1
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At 3b no less
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Missed that tidbit
Guess he’s learning a new position so he can have another glove for his bag. Or mabye he stole Sands’ 3rd base glove.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 5, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boy, I'd hate to see Bert Campaneris's bag
It would have to be pretty big to hold nine gloves.
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His bag weighed more then Dee Gordon
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lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I waited all day for you to show up
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I've moved on to a gentler path
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So mellow that his comments, before they are read, are mellow yellow.
Quite rightly.
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We need to steer this to the electrical banana post haste.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I'm a Sunshine Superman
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I promise that if
1) TBLA Karaoke night happens, and
2) I can get a night off from the Spawn and Folly; and
3) I have no other plans, and thus, show up; then
4) I will perform “Sunshine Superman.”
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I'm thinking of doing this
in my empty pool, because the acoustics should be awesome.
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Earthquake country
thought it might be damaged!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
When that New Madrid fault
that’s fixing to rock the south sometime finally blows its lid, y’all gonna find out what’s it’s like to be us.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Long Beach got a tornadoe once
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I'll fill it up for her
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I hope we’re still talking about the pool
by keithc13 on Nov 5, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha Ha,
of course Keith, I’m civilized
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I’n the Hurdy Gurdy Man, singing songs of love.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That is the extent of Donavan songs I've heard of
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huh?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Mellow Yellow is a song by Donovan. That song’s second verse is:
I’m just mad about fourteen
Fourteen’s mad about me
Yeah, I’m just mad about my fourteen
She’s just mad about me
They call me mellow yellow, quite rightly….
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You blew it with made
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scandalous
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I'm a model now
I can’t let creases furrow the brow unless they of course want an angry man. If so I’ll send them Tripon.
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Heh
I hope you got an extra paycheck out of that.
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I wish
I was stunned this morning to find they had even used the photo we took while dicking around the Warner center being chased away by security because we did not have permits to take photo’s on their property. Damn waiver they made me sign.
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They managed to get your good side
but doesn’t marketing know they sell more bikes if there’s a hot chick riding it?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Quote from the future
Jerry Sands doubles (5) on a fly ball to right fielder Chris Parmelee. Ivan De Jesus scores.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
about A-Gon
if he is commited to go to FA, does that hurt his value?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Well screw it
They CAN’T have Loney. I like that guy too much! He is gonna break out!
/walks away whistling
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this
made me laugh, out loud even!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors
SI.com’s Jon Heyman spoke to Adrian Gonzalez’s agent, who mentioned Joe Mauer, Mark Teixeira, and Ryan Howard are contract comparables (Twitter link). It’s pretty clear that they’re seeking upwards of $22MM annually.
Looks like Boston or NY
Does NY let Jeter leave?
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
NY has Tex
I can see Boston though. and no, Jeter will stay
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 5, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Dodgers can trade Jackie Robinson, any team can let anybody go.
But that said, Jeter will re-sign with the Yankees.
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Ha Ha
won’t be long now before someone asks us who Jackie Robinson was.
Tough decision for the Yankee’s. Not the same stature but reminds of the Dodger dilemma with Garvey and Sutton except the Yanks don’t have a SS waiting in the wings.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
The yankees and jeter are pointing guns at each others heads
he wants a ton of money, they don’t want to pay him a ton of money, but neither one of him wants to leave NY. No way jeter will bring himself to leave NY.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Renteria is available!
The lack of an heir apparent to Jeter does make this tricky for NY. One thing for a homegrown talent to try and replace the current legend, but imagine trying to be the imported SS replacing him.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Hu can do it?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Some Gnat related updates via MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/giants-notes-sandoval-huff-uribe-burrell-crawford.html
Not a ton of big surprises or news there but some interesting points about Sandoval (shape up or ship out), Huff and Uribe aren’t gimmes about coming back, they are sounding doubtful about Crawford, etc
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
FUCK THE GIANTS
Acks…
I see the paranoid hatred hasn’t gone away yet.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
It sucks
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Or it sucked when I tried it 4 days ago
just a general lack of content.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Its getting harder and harder for me to justify Gold
oh well
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
For me, it’s the cost of playing Street Fighter online.
Now if only I didn’t have carpal tunnel and could actually play…
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Me likey both
but now that the PS3 isn’t 500 bucks its better as an overall media center. That and the games finally have caught up to the xbox 360.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I buy 3 games per year, I use mine for the Blu Rays
I buy FIFA, The Show, and Tiger Woods every year.
So you play the same games
but updated versions every year?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Its ok
nowadays kids are doing the same thing with COD.
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BUT BUT BUT the new one has Kobe in the commercial!!!
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
I buy 75 percent of my games
when they are $30 and less these days, which means I’ll have to wait for 2 years to pick this one up. Most publishers are civilized enough to allow me to buy games within 6 months but activision is a bunch of wankers.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I bought Bioshock 2 when it was $40. It’s still unopened. I don’t have as much time for games =(. I might try it this weekend. Regular controllers wouldn’t hurt my carpal tunnel.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Oh I end up with a backlog of games
especially on computer. I’ve been snatching up 5 dollar games like Dead Space and Planescape Torment, and whenever I see a 2 for 1 deal it takes all my strength to only buy 3 games.
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Call of Duty
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Hey, even I know that one
Black Ops
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
They have spent more on advertising
the GDP of most countries.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Everybody tells me I’d love that game because I was an automatic weapons instructor in the Marines…
Don’t know why I haven’t tried that yet.
play Modern Warfare 1
ignore the rest
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And it’s Guy Fawkes day so it’s the perfect excuse to do something British!
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Yeah
about 15 minutes after I got back from lunch to warn her the ps3 might be the better option. OOPS.
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yeh
they have the superior internet service if you take having to pay for it out of the consideration, but its super lame.
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Stupid amazon lightning deals
I missed saving 100 dollars by 2 friggin hours.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
On?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
vizio 26 inch tv
would have been 200 bucks instead of 300 and I could have just bought it instead of agonizing about the expense.
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Eric shows up
and he kills the thread!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Its that stupid people commuting
slash trying to pretend to have a life on a friday night thing. Losers, all of them.
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Commute ends. I log on with my home computer. It’s what I do.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m actually looking for a place to take the gf for a week where we can lay on a beach somewhere in the world and not be bothered by anyone. Like…anyone.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
or where was Kathleen Turner when William Hurt finally realized she wasn’t dead after all?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I know he’s probably done, but Ordonez has always been a favorite of mine.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm assuming this is based on injuries?
He put up an ops+ of 130 last year.
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The further we get from context
the more uncomfortable I’m becoming with this.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I’m with nolander though. If it’s a reasonable deal, don’t you think Ordonez (still at his age) could hit lefties better than Ethier?
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
im not against him coming her
but what would you pay? Boras + Ned is not always a good combo, moneywise. He’s like my wife when it comes to bargaining:
Ned: “How much?”
Boras: “How about…2/33, what do you think?”
Ned: “Sure”
Ned’s assistant: “um, Master Colletti, are you sure you don’t want to…”
Ned: Huzzah!!!
Why wouldn't we at least take a flyer?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
You mean you aren't saying we should?
I know you are saying we are.
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Just got back from an interview for a half campus cop/half sec. job.
First thing the interviewer said (He’s my old methods teacher) is I would be a slam dunk candidate in a regular year.
This isn’t a regular year. There were teachers with 20 years of experience interviewing for a job that paid $23,000 a year. Fuck this job market.
The weird part is that a guy who looked like Eric walked out as I came in and said Good Luck to me for the same job. I spent 5 minutes wondering if I knew him.
Using Eric as a reference would be awesome.
“So how do you know the candidate?”
“Well, we chat on the internet on a daily basis about baseball and we’ve met 2 or 3 times. Oh, and we’re facebook friends.”
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
“Can you recommend him for this job?”
“Oh fuck no, he’s a little emo bastard.”
by Tripon on Nov 5, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dodgers don't bid on Iwakuma
NPB Tracker’s Patrick Newman passes along a report saying that the bidding has closed for Japanese righty Hisashi Iwakuma (via Twitter), and a report from Sports Hochi (article in Japanese) indicates that the Mariners appear to be the favorite to land him. More than one team submitted a bid, and Seattle reportedly wagered $13MM.
The above reports indicate that Iwakuma prefers the West Coast, but neither the Angels nor Dodgers planned to submit a bid. Both the Yankees and Diamondbacks scouted him during the season, though whether or not they chose to pursue him remains to be seen. The Rakuten Golden Eagles were hoping to land $16MM-17MM in the posting process, though it appears they might fall a little short of that.
via MLBTR
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I am a dirty old man
Whenever I see an emoticon with a “3” in it, I first think it has something to do with boobs.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Let's go with a proven Japanese star
Dodgers should just give Kuroda a 1 yr/12M dollar contract and be done with it. He’ll accept.
agreed absolutely
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That blonde kid in the Highlander commercials
I wanna throw something at him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Well, it switched networks. TNT doesn’t have such a quick hook.
by Michael White on Nov 5, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
i am so bored
my wife went to happy hour with a wedding coordinator and im waiting for her to come back. zzzzz
why can I only imagine fabulous little pink drinks?
Leading the league in OMGs || President of the Billz Appreciation Club
it's highly likely
also, maddz, if you wanted an excuse to have a shoot with her, shes offering $150 holiday portrait sessions – you can gather up the family and have taht your xmas present ;D
haha
that would be cool, but it’d probably just be me and my siblings
Leading the league in OMGs || President of the Billz Appreciation Club
When I saw you said “shoot with her”, I thought you were talking about heroine or something.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
that's all day every day
obvi
Leading the league in OMGs || President of the Billz Appreciation Club
i am having
the most awkward conversation on FB with a dude i havent talked to for like 7 years who I went to HS and MS with.
read nothing about apple dev practices
kill him if you must
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I’m generally in approval of killing.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
now he said hes gotta go
and has to “get my night started”. i was just thinking that I needed to get my night over with. hahaha
now i feel like
i should find someone on FB chat right now who i havent talked to for 10+ years and start an awkward conversation with them
Steve Jobs is a hooker
I hate that fucker more then anyone else in the tech world. Bobby Kotick doesn’t count, thats the software world. Or something.
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Speaking of HS
When the hell did Katy Perry marry Russell Brand? That was fast.
From his Booky Wook to Katy Nookie Hook.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yahoo box score is so judgemental
:01.0 Denver Nuggets DEN Bad pass by Chauncey Billups
:01.0 Los Angeles Clippers LAC Blake Griffin misses a 7-foot jumper in the lane
:00.4 Los Angeles Clippers LAC Team rebound
:00.0 Los Angeles Clippers LAC Blake Griffin misses a tip in
:00.0 Los Angeles Clippers LAC Team rebound
Halftime
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Yahoo Box Score If My Jewish Mother Had Written It
:01.0 Denver Nuggets DEN Chauncey, I’m just so disappointed
:01.0 Los Angeles Clippers LAC Mm hmm. Tell me, Blake, what did that nice boy Kobe do tonight?
etc.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 5, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One kid in bed
One kid drinking the milk of human kindness
One Bride watching HGTV
and one Humma drinking gin
God’s in his Heaven and all’s right with the world
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i have a drunk wife
who is hungry so i have to make our dinner that takes an hour
we lead terrible lives.
Your dinner will taste great and you have no reason to hurry.
I highly suggest you pour yourself one of whatever it is you like. The hour will go by in nothing flat.
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If that's taking an hour, then I imagine you are making it from scratch
and that sounds absolutely delicious.
Tonight, we had Leftover Chicken tacos. Certainly good enough when time is a big deal, but not like that.
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yeah
from scratch. the tomatos in the soup are canned but im roasting them myself. and the onions are gonna be jammed low and slow
yum
When I made Boeuf Bourguignon about a year ago (!), I slow-cooked the pearl onions in brown sauce. I followed Julia Child’s recipe in Mastering the Art of French Cooking.
Those were the best onions I’ve ever had in my life.
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my wife doesnt eat beef
or chicken. so we are pretty limited on my experimentation :[ that sounds amazing thou
Bride didn't eat red meat when I met her
Then I introduced her to the great, wondrous cut of meat that is Brisket.
Oh my yes.
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shes jewish
so she already knew it :[ i’ve found the closest ive found to convincing her is pork ribs
agreed. Especially with sauces/glazes/marinades. Lots of interesting experiments there.
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EL Pollo Inka for cheap Peruvian food. And there’s a cool modern Ikazeka place in the Mitsuwa market place. Both have plates in the $7-9 range, and the portions are large for the price.
There’s a Vietnam grocery store near El Camino that is pretty cheap, and they have an indoor food to go place. Also, the 99 Ranch Market off of Artesia.
btw
this is the recipe im mainly using
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-saretsky/french-onion-soup-grilled-cheese-sandwich_b_752366.html
Pan fried chicken
with mashed potatoes from costco
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What is Benson Interruption?
Isn’t Robert Guillaume dead?
(checks wikipedia)
No, I guess he’s still alive…
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Comedian Doug Benson invites fellow stand-up comics to tell jokes, but he’s on stage off the the side in a chair with a microphone, and effs with them as they perform.
He has been doing it for about 9-10 years or so in LA.
Last week's? Isn't this the premiere?
At any rate, I’m gonna try to stay up to watch, saw the live show once and was hilarious. But if not, it’ll be on demand I bet.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Nm, Eric beat me to the pointless question ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
So, is choking a bitch move?
Italy’s Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper, however, reported things got heated after Onweyu reacted to a reckless tackle from Ibrahimovic by choking the Milan forward. The U.S. defender and the Swedish forward then came to blows during the scrimmage and had to be separated by teammates and Milan staff, according to the Italian news agency ANSA.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5768851/ibrahimovic-onyewu-brawl-ac-milan-practice
If thats your go to
it might be.
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worst reply failure ever?
this was to the Tripon post above…I have no ill will toward the dead.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
NFL playoff OT
So the new rules say a TD on the first series ends the game. But shouldn’t both teams get a possession regardless? If the trailing team can tie it up, THEN it should revert to the old rules.
If you eliminate a FG ending it on the first drive, at least be consistent with other scoring methods.
I really want to see this in action.
I've heard this proposal before
and so far I like it the best. Both offenses and both defenses should decide the outcome of the game, not just the special teams.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
My gin’s not to make reply
My gin’s not to reason why
My gin’s but to do and die
Into my gullet rode the six hundred milliliters.
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Bombay Sapphire. The big (1.75L) bottle is less than $30 at Costco and it’s delicious.
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I liked gin and tonic until Vegas last year. Still can’t drink it
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 5, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
From DH
“Pitching is a priority — both starters and relievers,” he said. “We’re open-minded to both left-handers and right-handers.”
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The Dodgers’ payroll peaked at $95 million last season, and Colletti promised that number would rise, though he declined to say by how much.
The Dodgers owe more than $10 million to four players — Manny Ramirez ($3.3 million), Andruw Jones ($3.2 million), Juan Pierre ($3.5 million) and Scott Podsednik ($100,000) — no longer with the team. However, that didn’t stop Colletti from signing free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly to a three-year, $33-million deal last month.
That could be the biggest splash the team makes this off-season, though. The Dodgers aren’t likely to pursue a premier front-line starter such as Cliff Lee. Free-agent pitchers such as Carl Pavano, Javier Vazquez, Jake Westbrook and former Dodgers Jon Garland, Hiroki Kuroda and Vicente Padilla could become targets if the market should drop after the holidays.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1106-dodgers-angels-free-agents20101106,0,7249245.story
Dylan must have been half-asleep when he wrote that article
spent more time thinking about Henry Schulman’s fat than facts?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
especially since Dylan Hernandez didn’t write it :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I must have been half-asleep when I wrote that comment
;-)
Well, the fact checkers, that’s what I meant, those damned lazy fact checkers! Which they probably don’t even have anymore.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Wow, the farm system is looking pretty strong!
Now that I’m seeing all these names lined up I’m realizing the Dodgers are looking pretty good. AAA next year will be solid and the lower leagues have some pretty interesting players.
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