Can You Come Home Again?
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 8, 2010 11:59 AM PST
in Dodgers History & Records
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PrintStarting today TBLA is doing a four part series on the top four free agents that the Dodgers will not be bidding on. This is merely an exercise to keep our writing skills from atrophying while Brandon does all the heavy lifting until the winter meetings.
Monday - Phil - Adrian Beltre
Tuesday - Michael - Adam Dunn
Wednesday - David - Jayson Werth
Thursday - Eric - Carl Crawford
I expect on Thursday Eric will then post a poll about which player you think would most help the Dodgers in 2011 and beyond.
While Adrian Beltre has now been gone five years, it is shocking to find out the 31 year old Beltre still has more plate appearances as a Dodger than for other teams. Beltre made his much anticipated debut at age 19 in 1998, garnering 3818 plate appearances from 1998 - 2004. From 2005 - 2010, he has made 3700 plate appearances with Seattle and Boston.
Beltre has had an amazing career, a 19 year old prodigy who actually had power and plate discipline at an early age. Sure, he struggled at age 19, but at ages 20 and 21 he almost had a 10% walk rate. In retrospect, you look back at the 2001 season and you had no reason not to expect the moon. A 9.7% walk rate, an ISO of .187, an OPS of .835, an OPS+ of 114, a dominating fielder, a wOBA of .362. Since we had just traded the greatest home grown hitting Los Angeles Dodger ever, it seemed just right that Beltre fill that void.
Then in 2001, his age 22 year old season, instead of a natural progression he dropped his plate discipline by 1/2, his power went back to his age 19 year old season, and he gave us three straight years of hair tearing out inconsistency. In 2002 and 2003 he simply could not hit in the first half, .646 OPS in the first half of 2002, and .642 in 2003. Then he'd find his game and give us second halves of .801 in 2003, and .829 in 2002. He wasn't setting the world on fire, but at least in the 2nd half he was actually a productive player.
By the time 2004 rolled around he was still only 25 but the expectations had waned, and at most, Dodger fans hoped he would simply put together two halves of productive baseball. It was his free agent year and no one went out with a bang more then Adrian Beltre. Andrew Grant has called it one of the flukiest seasons in history but since we are talking about a guy who will end up in the top ten, maybe five in home runs for a 3rd baseman, I have a hard time buying into that, but it was one hell of a fluke season based on everything he did before and after. 48 home runs, previous high 23, wOBA of .424 with a previous high of .364, but an average wOBA of .310. OPS of 1.017, previous high .835, OPS+ of 163, previous high 114.
With Scott Boras as his agent, Beltre took his future and headed to Seattle. Six years later he's again on the free agent market, and now he's coming off the second great season of his career. He earned 3 of the 5 years of his contract with Seattle by playing great defense and putting up okay offensive numbers for a 3rd baseman. His last year there was injury marred, so he was only able to get a one year deal with Red Sox. A healthy Beltre playing in an offensive park put up some serious numbers. So serious it is now hard to say 2004 was a fluke. 915 OPS, 141 OPS+, and a .390 wOBA.
How did those 2010 numbers compare to other 3rd baseman? OPS+ was 3rd just one point behind both Evan Longoria and Ryan Zimmerman (Bautista was more an outfielder). wOBA was more of the same behind the same suspects.
Beltre is going to get a great deal, and the Dodgers could really use a 3rd baseman now and in the future along with a with big bat. Is Beltre's bat big enough? Sure if he hits like he did last year, but how about if he does what we should expect and barely puts up a .800 OPS along with some of the best defense in the league? Delias Man has said that you can't come home but even he has admitted that he'd love to see Beltre give it a shot. I agree, of all the free agents that one might consider impact players, Adrian Beltre is the man I'd most like to see Ned give his attention to.
Right now Beltre is 17th in career home runs for a 3rd baseman at 278. I think if he signs a four year deal he could be knocking on the sixth spot by the end of his run. Quite an accomplishment for a player we all thought of as a huge disappointment at age 24.
Player HR Age PA 2B 3B RBI BB OPS
Mike Schmidt 548 22-39 10062 408 59 1595 1507 .908
Eddie Mathews 512 20-36 10101 354 72 1453 1444 .885
Chipper Jones 436 21-38 9654 493 37 1491 1404 .941
Darrell Evans 414 22-42 10737 329 36 1354 1605 .792
Graig Nettles 390 22-43 10226 328 28 1314 1088 .750
Matt Williams 378 21-37 7595 338 35 1218 469 .805
Gary Gaetti 360 22-41 9817 443 39 1341 634 .741
Ron Santo 342 20-34 9396 365 67 1331 1108 .826
Troy Glaus 320 21-33 6355 293 10 950 854 .847
Vinny Castilla 320 23-38 7384 349 28 1105 423 .797
George Brett 317 20-40 11624 665 137 1595 1096 .857
Ron Cey 316 23-39 8344 328 21 1139 1012 .799
Scott Rolen 303 21-35 7919 480 39 1212 859 .867
Robin Ventura 294 21-36 8271 338 14 1182 1075 .806
Aramis Ramirez 289 20-32 6332 338 18 1029 458 .839
Ken Boyer 282 24-38 8268 318 68 1141 713 .810
Adrian Beltre 278 19-31 7518 397 28 1008 518 .791
Dean Palmer 275 20-34 5513 231 15 849 502 .796
Brooks Robinson 268 18-40 11782 482 68 1357 860 .723
Tim Wallach 260 22-38 8908 432 36 1125 649 .732
Larry Parrish 256 20-34 7450 360 33 992 529 .757
Todd Zeile 253 23-38 8649 397 23 1110 945 .769
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Along those same lines if he hits about 100 home runs during his four year contract he could easily become number two on the all-time Dodger home run list.
Player HR From To Age PA OPS Pos
Eric Karros 270 1991 2002 23-34 6624 .782 *3/D
Ron Cey 228 1971 1982 23-34 6108 .804 *5
Steve Garvey 211 1969 1982 20-33 7027 .796 *35/794
Mike Piazza 177 1992 1998 23-29 3017 .966 *2/D3
Pedro Guerrero 171 1978 1988 22-32 4089 .893 59783/4
Raul Mondesi 163 1993 1999 22-28 3765 .838 *98/7
Shawn Green 162 2000 2004 27-31 3462 .876 *93/D8
Willie Davis 154 1960 1973 20-33 8035 .725 *8/97
Adrian Beltre 147 1998 2004 19-25 3818 .794 *5/6
Dusty Baker 144 1976 1983 27-34 4552 .780 *7/89
Mike Marshall 137 1981 1989 21-29 3546 .774 *937/5
Gary Sheffield 129 1998 2001 29-32 2276 .998 *7/9D
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He also is at 1,889 hits, so 2,000 is given in 2011. Who cares about hits? If he simply averages 150 hits over the next five years he will end up with 2,639 hits and be in fourth place behind three HOF 3rd baseman - Boggs, Brett, and Robinson - though his career will look more like the person he passed for fourth place, Buddy Bell.
Only 33 players have had over 1,800 hits at the age of 31 since integration, and the list is loaded with players who were good until at least age 35. I like Beltre's chances of continuing to be productive for most of his four year contract.
Player H From To Age HR BB SB OPS Hank Aaron 2266 1954 1965 20-31 398 663 149 .943 Alex Rodriguez 2250 1994 2007 18-31 518 915 265 .967 Robin Yount 2217 1974 1987 18-31 174 611 185 .773 Vada Pinson 2171 1958 1970 19-31 220 472 232 .801 Al Kaline 2087 1953 1966 18-31 279 804 109 .872 Edgar Renteria 2070 1996 2008 19-31 127 634 280 .753 Richie Ashburn 2067 1948 1958 21-31 21 867 190 .792 Roberto Clemente 2029 1955 1966 20-31 143 380 64 .803 Roberto Alomar 2007 1988 1999 20-31 151 758 377 .820 Frank Robinson 2004 1956 1967 20-31 403 856 171 .955 Ken Griffey 1987 1989 2001 19-31 460 885 175 .945 Derek Jeter 1936 1995 2005 21-31 169 636 215 .847 Cal Ripken 1922 1981 1992 20-31 273 752 32 .805 Pete Rose 1922 1963 1972 22-31 109 611 85 .808 Orlando Cepeda 1902 1958 1969 20-31 306 453 132 .855 Nellie Fox 1902 1947 1959 19-31 27 521 71 .737 Albert Pujols 1900 2001 2010 21-30 408 914 75 1.050 Rod Carew 1897 1967 1977 21-31 69 535 244 .840 Adrian Beltre 1889 1998 2010 19-31 278 518 113 .791 Ron Santo 1888 1960 1971 20-31 300 939 33 .839 Ivan Rodriguez 1875 1991 2003 19-31 231 359 90 .832 Mickey Mantle 1875 1951 1963 19-31 419 1291 135 1.011 Curt Flood 1854 1956 1969 18-31 85 439 88 .733 Joe Torre 1851 1960 1972 19-31 216 587 19 .838 Eddie Murray 1850 1977 1987 21-31 305 782 56 .875 Player H From To Age HR BB SB OPS Willie Mays 1846 1951 1962 20-31 368 725 240 .978 Rusty Staub 1840 1963 1975 19-31 197 878 37 .798 Eddie Mathews 1834 1952 1963 20-31 422 1155 62 .922 Carl Yastrzemski 1832 1961 1971 21-31 257 985 111 .877 Bill Mazeroski 1819 1956 1968 19-31 127 380 24 .676 Buddy Bell 1813 1972 1983 20-31 136 529 43 .746 Jim Rice 1804 1974 1984 21-31 304 451 53 .877 Cesar Cedeno 1801 1970 1982 19-31 171 575 503 .802
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More importantly the Dodgers have no one capable of playing 3rd baseman after the 2011 season. 3rd baseman prospects throughout baseball seem to be dropping like flies and turning into 1st baseman or outfielders. I'd like the Dodgers options of finding an outfielder from the system or via a trade more then a 3rd baseman.
Eric has us down for 94 Million with two starters, and an outfielder still on the wish list. So going for a 3rd baseman when we already have a 3rd baseman does not seem the greatest strategy, but I think it is easier to cobble together a fairly inexpensive platoon in LF that can OPS over .800 then it is at 3rd base. Also the top two TBLA prospects are outfielders, with no 3rd baseman any where in sight, unless you consider Russell Mitchell a 3rd baseman.
This is a selfish opinion predicated on the fact that even though Beltre was a Dodger disappointment for much of his career he was still one of my favorite players, and I'd love for him to prove you can come home again.
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I think we win the NL
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
My favorite Beltre stat - Greatest Dodger seasons by WAR
Bob Caruthers 1889 12.7
Dan Brouthers 1892 10.5
Adrian Beltre 2004 10.1
thats a lot of wars
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
WAR -- huh! -- What is it good for?
Ranking ballplayers!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
but I think it is easier to cobble together a fairly inexpensive platoon in LF that can OPS over .800 then it is at 3rd base.
That’s probably true. Also, if Beltre is signed, does that make Loney expendable (playing Blake at 1B) or would you turn Loney/Blake into a platoon?
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I would think
either Loney or Blake gets moved for some salary relief in that situation. That would be too expensive of a 1B platoon, even if Blake is just there for one more year.
Hey guys, at least wait until you hear the rest of us out!
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
People are going to be chanting “Monorail!” by the time Crawford rolls around on Thursday :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Was the plan to always have Casey Blake as the 3B starter?
After Blake signed his 3 year deal, there was assumptions that Blake was only going to start the first two years and become a supersub in the 3rd year as his career winded down. But then Josh Bell and Blake DeWitt was traded, and Pedro Baez never developed like the Dodgers hoped.
Signing Beltre would just put Blake back to his original assumed role as supersub.
There was some talk of his versatility when he was signed, but I always thought moving him was more of a pipe dream from blogs and comments than any sort of reality.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I only remember the supersub part—I agree with Tripon here.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 8, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I was certainly advocating that by
2011 Blake would be a super sub but then I was expecting that DeWitt would have cemented the 3rd base job by then.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I've also liked Beltre and was sorry to see him go
and his “disappointing” time with Mariners as some have dubbed it had more to do with expectations and contract than what he actually produced for the most part.
Now IF the Dodgers did sign him and IF they didn’t trade Blake or Loney, I assume the idea here would be to have those two guys platoon at 1st?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
and his "disappointing" time with Mariners as some have dubbed it had more to do with expectations and contract than what he actually produced for the most part.
So I’ve come to realize. Fuck you in the heart mainstream media.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
well, to be fair
It was a lot more than mainstream media in this case, and normally I’m about as anti-mainstream media as anyone. Think about what how disappointing Kemp was this past season after his “breakout” 2009. Do you remember what everyone was expecting out of Beltre after his breakout season? Oh man! I can only imagine what the comments would have been had Beltre stayed after signing an enormous contract here, then hitting about .260ish with 20 to 25 homers a year. Yeah, we would have all almost certainly have been better off this time, but we probably never would have known it. In fact, I can almost see in this alternate reality, fans screaming about how all the money this cash-strapped organization spent on Beltre tied their hands from doing more sensible things. (…like signing Juan Pierre! j/k)
Yeah that's definitely part of it
expectations were at a ludicrous level because, well, he’d had a ludicrously good season way over his head.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Thanks for the shout out, Phil.
Just to bring up the point again, Beltre’s 2004 is the 64th WARiest season ever. That doesn’t seem great but you have to remember that same same names appear on top of that list all the time. The only guys ahead of Beltre that aren’t guaranteed Hall of Famers are Ron Santo, Jason Giambi, and maybe Sammy Sosa. Even those three guys have much better cases for the Hall than Beltre ever will.
Beltre had the sort of year that only immortal players do, and that’s why it’s a huge fluke even if he’ll probably end up very high on the career 3rd base list.
But Beltre is a very good player who had an immortal season.
Beltre’s season is actually tied for 64th; in the next spot on the list, tied for 68th, is Norm Cash’s famous season. How would you rank Cash and Beltre?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
It’s really hard to rank these guys because so much of the argument rests on defense. Cash was a far, far superior hitter to Beltre (who will probably end his career with averageish numbers for a third baseman) but Beltre’s defense is so much of his game. Cash is certainly hall of very good material, but I don’t know if you’ll be able to say the same about Beltre when he’s done.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Disappointing in Seattle
It should be noted that in Seattle Beltre was injured, only played 108 games, believe it was a separated shoulder. I believe it makes total sense to go after Beltre since he wants to come back to California, and 3b will be the toughest position to fill. Uribe who the Dodgers may bid on, I believe will go back to the Giants. If the Dodgers were to get Beltre, an argument could be made that 1st base is far less of a problem and you could go with a platoon of Barajas and Ellis and also non-tender Martin.
Barry f'ing Bonds
was the only thing standing in Beltres way of an MVP in 04. Of course Bonds put up an ops of 1.400 so it wasn’t even close.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Rays top ten prospects
1. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp
2. Matt Moore, lhp
3. Desmond Jennings, of
4. Jake McGee, lhp
5. Josh Sale, of
6. Alex Torres, lhp
7. Alex Colome, rhp
8. Justin O’Conner, c
9. Drew Vettleson, of
10. Jake Thompson, rhp
This is interesting
The Rays have become efficient at producing players who fit Maddon’s desire to create a roster full of versatile athletes. The creative skipper maximizes matchups to keep certain players from being exposed over lengthy stints, resulting in 132 different lineups and eight Rays who played at least three defensive positions in 2010.
Most feel McGee will end up
in the bullpen as soon as next season. In a loaded system they put a relief pitcher number four. Kenley Jansen is better then Jake McGee.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
but in any other team he will be tried as a starter
just in the rays he wil be in the bullpen.. thats why hes 4
Also of note
Even in a system as stacked as the Rays, their #1 pick (Sale) from this season is ranked 5th and their second pick (Vettleson) is ranked 9th.
Recency error
prospects are generally rated highest immediately after they’ve been drafted.
Baseball America’s Top 10 Dodgers prospects from last year:
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/4/1185689/dodger-top-10-prospects-per
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
and their number 1 overall pick tim beckham
not even in the top 10 WOW
Well
after a great rookie league year, he spent two years at A and Hi-A with an OPS under .712
That’ll get you knocked off prospect lists real fast.
Yo mama is so fat, when she dances the band skips.
Also a reminder that because the Rays took Beckham, the Giants got Posey and won a World Series while the Rays have Kelly Shoppach.
If it makes you feel better
even if Posey were available, we still would have taken a pitcher. It just so happens that pitcher turned out to be Ethan Martin.
Yo mama is so fat, when she dances the band skips.
Real Beltre question
If the Dodgers could get Beltre and he does the same that he has been doing in both Seattle and the Dodgers 25 HR’s and about 30 2b’s and great defense, and the Dodgers get 1 more decent pitcher and LF is the platoon spot, would that be enough for the Dodgers to compete and possibly win?
2b would go to DeJesus
LF is the platoon spot
What platoon?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Probably deserves its own fan post/shot
Outside of Marvin Miller and maybe Steinbrenner and Martin, I don’t think any of these individuals deserve to be in the HOF.
question
if Garvey and John get in the hall of fame, do we retire their numbers?
Forgive my ignorance, if you would (I am young and no not what I say), but neither of these guys were great. I would say Garvey was very good for a couple seasons, even winning an MVP award, but he never had an OPS+ over 137. While I understand that hall of fame voters don’t consider sabermetrics all that often (especially the types of people who are selected to be a member of a 12 man HoF voting panel), that’s not all that impressive.
Tommy John is not a hall of famer. Frank Jobe and James Andrews are hall of famers.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Tommy John as some comps that make him in the discussion
But as someone who saw those guys play, none of them ever made me think HOF. For one or two years, Blue and Guidry but not for their careers.
I think John has a better case than Garvey, but don’t think either one should be in the HOF. However, if they do somehow make it to Cooperstown, the Dodgers should absolutely retire Garvey’s number.
John was a Dodger for six seasons, which might have been his best six seasons, but he was more of a nomad in his 26 (!!!) years in MLB.
I'm impressed with the years he pitched
but I’m not going to ever think Jamie moyer is a hall of famer, even if he pitches until he’s 60 and gets 400 wins.
The fact that Tommy John pitched for 26 seasons and only got 288 wins is not impressive to me. We’re talking about a guy averaging 11 wins a year. Livan Hernandez has 166 wins over 15 years. If he throws another 11 years and continues to average 11 wins, he’ll have 287. Would he be a hall of famer?
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Why are you using wins as the criteria?
You are not a HOF voter, you should use better criteria then those ignorant fools. How did TJ stack up year in and year out with his peers? Not HOF material but not because he only averaged 11 wins a year.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I tried to base my arguments off of what their arguments would be. He had one year with an ERA+ of 161, a 141, a couple in the 130’s, and not much besides that. A career ERA+ of 111 just doesn’t scream Hall of Fame to me
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Okay
but you mentioned none of that in your argument.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I am still trying to figure out when guys in their 20s
starting spending $300 bucks a night for a vacation rental. Looks great though.
Ha thanks
I have a good paying job, got my contract picked up for another year, and both my gf and I live with our respective parents. All of my money goes to my car payment, my student loan, and my IRA.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
The opposite
of IVdown.
Good for you, the first two jobs where I had money in a 401K, I ended up cashing out and paying down bills.
Except for this part
live with our respective parents.
That’s just like IVironAndSteel.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
My parents are more roommates than parents.
Except my roommates pay all my bills.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Well
gf doesn’t get to stay over, so spending on lavish vacations is the only time we get any time to ourselves.
Moreso I meant that they leave me alone, ask how my day was, then leave me alone as I close the bedroom door and watch the Dodgers.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
When they blow
off all exploratory course work and single-mindedly focus solely on their finance/marketing degrees. ;-)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It was very good, thanks
We had a small dinner party of about 10 or 11 of us, then the young’ns ditched us old folks to head out to another bar, somewhere in Redondo, called “The Gasser” (?). She was just telling us all about it last night. Someone ordered a round of Jager bombs there apparently; they sound awful.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
really a terrible drink. i suggest Youtubing “My New haircut” when you get home from work.
Never heard of the Gasser. Where is it?
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I stay out of Hermosa usually because that’s where everyone I went to high school live that I have no desire to see again goes.
jaeger bombs aren't so bad
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Sort of.
From wikipedia:
Jägermeister’s ingredients include 56 herbs, fruits, roots, and spices including citrus peel, liquorice, anise, poppy seeds, saffron, ginger, juniper berries and ginseng.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
black licorice
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Do you literally mean last Monday? They were there Sunday, eight days ago.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Her reply
They put up things saying they were closed as part of their Halloween decorations. Looked pretty clean when I was there.
Maybe some sort of renovation or something?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Indeed
the birthday of my little witch.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
^
I basically got C+’s in all my general eds, then had a 3.4GPA in my business classes. I’m trying to figure out where to get my master’s, but with the job I have now I’m not looking to go pay for a degree that may get me a higher paying job with less security. Going to stay in this job another year then go call up my 1 baseball contact to see if I can work for him.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
Shouldn't they be considering Ron Santo?
I cannot believe that Santo is not on that list. Is there a reason I’m overlooking?
Tommy John… I might vote for him. He has 288 wins. I know wins are a lousy stat, but if he had just 12 more — a pittance, in my book — he’d be in, so I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Add what he had to do to work his way back after the surgery that bears his name and that’s good enough for me. Not a no-brainer, just… enough that I can say, all right, good enough.
He’d probably be a “below average” HOFer, but I’m not sure that every player we elect from here on out has to bring up the HOF’s average.
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You want to talk abouta guy with 280<300 and deserves to be in the hall of fame
Let’s talk about Bert Blylevin’s 287.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I hope so
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
But I doubt it
I think he is going suffer the backlash because the voters know he has the support of the whole sabremetric community and they won’t want to look like they are caving into the bean counters.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Didn't he miss by less than 10 votes?
Not getting elected would be unprecedented. Nobody has ever gotten that close and been left out in the cold — it’s not even close.
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If you were Clipper Steve you would have just jinxed him
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He has been helped by the sabermetric arguments more than hurt
from Baseball-Reference:
1998 BBWAA (17.5%)
1999 BBWAA (14.1%)
2000 BBWAA (17.4%)
2001 BBWAA (23.5%)
2002 BBWAA (26.3%)
2003 BBWAA (29.2%)
2004 BBWAA (35.4%)
2005 BBWAA (40.9%)
2006 BBWAA (53.3%)
2007 BBWAA (47.7%)
2008 BBWAA (61.9%)
2009 BBWAA (62.7%)
2010 BBWAA (74.2%)
I know and I hope it stays
but I just this whack feeling that those who felt they had their arms twisted last year will stop voting for him after being made fun of by colleagues for caving into the geeks. Hopefully unfounded.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I thought that’s why he didn’t get in the last 5 years. I think if anyone is rooting for Tommy John to get into the Hall of Fame, it’s Bert Blylevin. If 288 can get in, why not 287? Honestly, he should just go start for the Yankees for one year and get his 13 wins and go home.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
They already have caved
Everybody who has gotten as close as Blyleven (he got 74.2% of the vote last year) has gotten in.
I know wins are a lousy stat, but if he had just 12 more
You make a bright comment and then ignore it with your next sentence.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
They re jiggered the Veterans Committee
and broke it up into eras, the 1947-1968 era will be dealt with a year from now.
Santo predates
The 12 individuals who will be considered by the Expansion Era Committee… The Expansion Era covers candidates among managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players whose most significant career impact was realized during the 1973-present time frame.
Santo predates this. He was on the Veteran Committee’s ballot the last several years; I imagine that he still is.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This explains it
This year’s veterans committee ballot covers baseball’s expansion era. Players, managers, umpires, executives whose most significant impact was from 1973 on were considered in the first of a three-year cycle. Under changes announced last summer, the golden era (1947-72) will be voted on in 2011, and the pre-integration era (1871-1946) will be judged in 2012.
As long as I'm making suspect cases for players, here's one for Rusty Staub
There is no player in baseball history who is not in the HOF and eligible for that honor who has more Times on Base than Rusty Staub.
I know there will always be a guy who falls just on the wrong side of the line on a counting stat, so OK, maybe Staub falls on the wrong side of the line. But getting on base is the most important thing a ballplayer can do, so I think you gotta consider him and make sure, yep, that’s where I want to draw the line.
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Are you making the case that the HOF
is treating Le Grande Orange like a red-headed stepchild?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
How close was Ken Singleton to Staub
and how close does Abreu fall to both of them. All players with above average power but not great power, who always got on base.
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Well
I would vote for Abreu. I think Abreu is maybe the most unappreciated player of the past 10 years. He has been very good his entire career.
But I like Abreu.
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Last like I meant to say
“But I like a big Hall of Fame.” Fingers took over and typed something else.
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I like big Halls and I cannot lie
All other voters can deny
When Staub gets in on this meaningless race
And all those times on base
I vote AYE
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
And coming from a guy who never saw him play, I thought statistically Jim Rice was a stretch.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I'd like to revisit Ted Simmons
considering he did most of his damage as a catcher.
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Beltre
Makes more sense than any other FA in terms of building this team for years and not just 2011.
Does anyone think Ned thinks this way? Or is 2011 the only thing on his mind?
His contract says he should think about building a team, but his history says he only cares about the present.
He signed Lilly for three years so
I think he has more then 2011 in mind.
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I hope Jones fires his GM next
Oh, wait a minute…
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 8, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I liked the support for Beltre
but I’m about 98% certain this is strictly an intellectual exercise and that none of the four mentioned will even have their agent called.
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At this point I am hoping everyone gets tendered
and they get one more shot.
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How embarrassing
guy i work with got a singing gorilla sent to him here at work by his wife. The gorilla seemed more embarrassed.
Kareem
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The girl in the
Caesar’s Palace commercial?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Is anyone surprised that Beltre
has an outside chance at 3,000 hits and 400 home runs?
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Which made me wonder how many guys
have hit 400 home runs but only over 30 in a season once?
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Adrian Beltre
the Chris Kaman of Major League Baseball.
Over 20, never 30.
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For an untrained eye I'd say this is better then an outside chance
AdrianBeltre the Don Sutton of 3rd baseman if he pulls it off.
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I’ve never seen Spartacus, but I enjoyed Ben Hur to the fullest.
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I am Spartacus
was just a great movie but the backdrop of who wrote it, made it extra awesome.
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Our 1985 rotation was amazing:
Fernando Valenzuela
Orel Hershiser
Jerry Reuss
Bob Welch
Rick Honeycutt
That has to be the most Dodgery rotation ever.
That was such a good team.
Fuck you, Tom Niedenfuer.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I still think the baseball Gods gave us
1988 because they looked away for a brief moment in 1985 and had to make amends.
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and so I found some interesting info
47 players have hit 400 home runs
Cal Ripken is the only player to have hit over 30 only one time (34 was his high)
Dave Winfield hit over 30 three times (37,32,34)
Dawson was a lot like Beltre (49,33,31)
Carl Yastrzemski had a quite a strange power career. Three years of 44, 40, and 40, but only other time in 23 seasons did he hit over 25 home runs. Most of the time he was between 15 – 22.
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the 3000 hits
would be more surprising to me.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
but it seems more a product of longevity than anything else. Seems like Hall of Famers are decided by the time they’re 20. You’re 20 and playing in MLB, you have a chance, just stay healthy. Oh, you’re starting your career at 22? I’m sorry, you’d better be a franchise icon to make up for your lack of stats.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I don't see why longevity is a knock on a player.
If you can be good enough to keep your job, keep putting up very good numbers (if never crossing into great), play in most of your team’s games (and thus reduce your team’s need for replacement-level help), then I can totally accept a lower peak from you and still vote for you for the Hall. Yeah, people will say “he never felt like a HOFer,” but do just-short-of-Hall work for long enough and I am gonna round you up to the Hall.
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I just see a hall of famer as someone who was in the top 5-10 players in MLB over the course of 10ish years. A guy who is great for 2-4 years then is simply pretty good to above average for the rest of his career doesn’t do it for me. I expect my hall of famers to be Gods among mortals, not just every guy who has a couple 30 homer seasons then played for a long time.
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I’ll give you a Johnny Damon vote if you come on board my Bobby Abreu train.
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I’m kinda interested in what the voters decide to to about Trevor Hoffman. They have judged Lee Smith and found him wanting; they will almost certainly approve Mariano Rivera the first chance they get.
Hoffman is better than Smith, but so much better? Or will they be wowed by the 600 saves?
I would bet on a medium-to-long wait, then in, but who knows.
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From what I can recall, there has been far more talk of “future Hall of Famer” during Trevor Hoffman’s career than during Lee Smith’s career, though my memory could be faulty.
The other thing to consider is that, unless I’m mistaken, they have been making the relievers wait. Sutter and Gossage both had to build support over X years, yes? Not sure about Wilhelm and Fingers… anyone of recent vintage that I’m forgetting?
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Eckersley got right in
but I guess he was half starter/half reliever. Like a half man/half bearpig.
this is the most sense you have made all day
:-p
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Speaking of all-time saves leaders
Lee Smith passed Jeff Reardon in 1993, and held the record for 13 seasons.
Smith (478) beat the guy he passed (Reardon, 357) by 33.9%
Hoffman (at 601) currently has a 25.7% lead over Smith, the guy he passed.
Not sure that means anything; just a note.
Nothing against Hoffman
but I hope he does not get in the HOF
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I know which opposite ways
Humma and G-man lean on the Craig Biggio question.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Joe Morgan wants a word with you
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Unless that word is, "Here!," followed by him handing me an ungodly amount of money,
I’m not interested.
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hah
I can’t find a source for it, but I’m pretty sure Joe Morgan doesn’t like biggio for some reason.
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he probably hates that he’ll get the same bonus points as Morgan for being a 2B even though he played OF.
For a C/2B, Biggio is EASILY a HoF. Hell, i wish we could kick morgan’s 2500hit butt out of the HoF. Good thing he had speed and good on base skills.
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Oh
and Morgan played 2 more years than biggio did.
Man, I really hate Joe Morgan.
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staying healthy
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Beltre or Fielder/Gonzo
I think the $s aren’t there but yeah, Beltre solves the only real need for the next 2-3 years…third base. Blake-Loney platoon could be OK but how much do we pay Loney this year? If we join the Fielder or Gonzo 1b sweepstakes, Loney should be part of that package.
I’d almost rather lose a pick and $ to add Beltre while moving Blake to OF,3B,1B RH PH…Its not my money. I would then be done going cheap with Gibbons in LF , DeJesus at 2b, non tender Theriot….and beg Kuroda or Padilla to sign.
I suspect Beltre is used to big money and the only way he comes is if we wait until January and he still has no contract ….Good thing NYM, NYY, Texas, Det (Inge),CHC,Phily all stocked up at 3b.
Who besides Boston vies for him?
Wait him out letting him know from day 1 we have a 3 year deal maybe for Lilly money…
all it takes is boston
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don't spend money
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This offseason is:
a. The most boring ever
b. Exciting because free agency has already begun
c. Complicated by the McCourts divorce
d. Kinda sobering because of, you know, the Giants
e. Neddy Time
a. The most boring ever
How do you know? Free agency started yesterday. This is like the “we’re going to suck in 2011” talk. How do you know? They haven’t even assembled the team yet. The people saying we’re going to be terrible in 2011 are the same people who said 2010 would be the year we finally get over the NLCS hump.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
It’s the first time in a while free agency started and I’m not really expecting anything. I don’t get the sense anything is going to happen quickly this offseason.
If McCourt has to sell
it could be one of the more exciting yet nerve racking offseasons in a long time
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
He’d still be the owner by the end of the offseason though. If we’re lucky our biggest trade deadline acquisition would be Mark Cuban. Unless, of course, Cuban has plans to use Dodgers revenue to fund a Mavericks championship. If you’re a LA Basketball fan, and your team is playing the Mavericks in the WCF, do you feel less bad about the Mavericks if Cuban is owning the Dodgers?
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No, because a Mark Cuban owned basketball team has never won the big series.
Or did I miss a World Championship somewhere?
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One of the all-time gack jobs in 2006. Up 2-0 with a 13 (or was it 15) point lead in the second half of Game 3, Dallas didn’t step on Miami’s necks.
(Yes, I am aware of the horrible refereeing in that series. Dallas still choked).
I almost stopped watching basketball
when the Suns got screwed by Horry intentionally creating a situation where he knew he was going to draw out one of the best players on the team and get him suspended.
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What if we trade for Olivo then pay him $500k for another draft pick? Am I the only one marveling at Toronto stockpiling ?
“The Toronto Blue Jays acquired C Miguel Olivo in order to get draft pick compensation when he walks as a free agent, The Canadian Press’ Shi Davidi reports. They could receive four picks for RPs Scott Downs and Jason Frasor leaving and one each from C John Buck, RP Kevin Gregg and Olivo. That would give them eight picks in the top 45-50 of next year’s draft. "
2010-11-05 05:18:43 | Source: The Canadian Press – Shi Davidi
http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=679649-blue-jays-acquired-miguel-olivo-to-get-a-pick#ixzz14jVitl7b
We discussed this a little bit the other day
2011 is supposed to be a deep draft.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
This will be interesting on the two Type A players
they make just enough money and had good enough years that they could pull a Rafael Soriano and go for a sign and trade.
tis a lot of picks
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I can't wait for the all "Sign Beltre" comments
to turn into “Sign Werth/Dunn/Crawford” comments immediately after those posts go up.
I’m solidly on the sign Dunn and find a platoon in LF train. Beltre would be fun to watch again, Crawford and Werth would be fun to root for, but I want to see an actual offensive first baseman sometime in my life. If that is James Loney busting out, fantastic. Otherwise, I want to go watch Dodgers BP for the next 4 years.
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I would prefer Dunn or Beltre
over a corner outfielder, simply because those seem to be more plentiful. I’ll take any of the 4 though.
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mostly, I’d rather wait a year and sign Aramis Ramirez than give Beltre a 5 year deal.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
My preference is
Werth/Crawford/Beltre/Dunn but I wanted to write about Beltre because he’s had a fascinating career.
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I got a good laugh out of this exercise
@MacMcClelland Omg RT @IsaacFitzgerald 1. Go to Google maps 2. Get Directions 3. Japan = start location 4. China = end location 5. Go to direction #43.
and from trying one of my own that yielded a slightly different result
@DavidYoungTBLA @JimmyBramlett @MacMcClelland @IsaacFitzgerald directions 13 and 28 for Los Angeles to China are also awesome and Heyerdahlistic to boot!.
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by David Young on Nov 8, 2010 3:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The best part about LA-to-China is that they instruct you to go all the way north to Seattle, then stop in Hawaii.
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I love the stopover in Hawaii
because we know that kayaking all the way from the US to Japan is simply impossible without that Hawaiian stopover!
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Heyerdahlistic to boot
Kon Tiki man, man his story filled me all sorts of lust for adventure. Pulling sharks out of the water by their tail, sign me up. Hadn’t seen his name in years.
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This is why
you want old guys like me around.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Dave Hansen comes home again
Dave Hansen is on the verge of joining the Dodgers’ coaching staff as a hitting instructor, multiple major-league sources told FOXSports.com.
maybe assistant hitting coach slash pinch hitter :-)
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Nice
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Speaking of Joe Morgan...
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/08/espn-breaks-up-sunday-night-baseball-team/
Fire Joe Morgan finally gets its wish!
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by underdog on Nov 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Finally!
Shulman and Hershiser should be a really good team.
I heard a little of Shulman on radio
during the post-season and he seemed pretty good. Not sure why Miller gets a demotion though – wouldn’t Miller / Hershiser, and maybe Valentine have worked just as well or better? (Maybe they want to cut payroll.)
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You mean LCS? I’m sure that was his choice.
It will probably be better for him to stick to one trip per weekend rather than leave the Giants on Saturday after a Friday game in a new city.
But then why the announcement that he may stay on as the radio voice of Sunday night? Either he doesn’t want to travel, and he’s out, or not.
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ESPN ended its 20-year association with Jon Miller and Joe Morgan as the voices of "Sunday Night Baseball" on Monday. They declined to renew Morgan’s contract and have asked Miller if he wants to stay on as the radio voice of the Sunday night games. Discussions are ongoing.
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Yeah hopefully this isn't about Miller being punished for his association with Morgan
Maybe they are going cheaper, or just want to reboot everything, or maybe he’d privately said he wanted to stop…
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I can't believe this is actually finally happening
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Announcement that Fox is hiring Morgan to join Buck and McCarver in calling the postseason games
…in three… two… one….
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I have no problem with Buck and McCarver.
I realize I am the only guy here that likes either of them.
Not the biggest Joe Morgan guy though.
Something
about the way Joe Buck speaks causes me to recall every pompous ass I’ve ever had to work for or with in my career – not a pleasant experience.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
One could say, “I don’t love Joe Morgan, but he doesn’t bother me all that much,” and that would make the speaker the biggest Joe Morgan fan who ever lived.
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I liked Joe Morgan
the baseball player, despite his being on the Big Red Machine. He was a little guy, played 2B, hit left-handed, but had surprising pop. The arm flap was a little ridiculous, but easy to imitate.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I have little problem with Joe
he is what he is, and just about every ex athlete from his generation sounds the same. I don’t find Orel any less cliche ridden.
John Smoltz I liked but that was probably only because he was new.
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I find the ex-managers a bit more enlightening
than the ex-players. After all, we’re all busying second-guessing the manager during games. Valentine was pretty good on radio in the little bits I heard this postseason. Torre was pretty good with the Angels, IIRC, back in the day.
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I liked Valentine on the radio
way better then Bob Brenley.
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I know I'm biased but I still think Orel offers up more valid insight
about the game (admittedly more about pitchers than hitters) than Morgan, but yes still can drop in the cliches as they all can.
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I Never Had a Problem with Morgan Either
But it was time to break that duo up, they sounded like “grumpy old men” the last few years. And if you are going to have someone dish out cliches, might as well have one who is pretty smart.
Just the opposite, here
I despise McCarver (and Buck, perhaps largely by association with McCarver). I like Joe Morgan, though.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Nov 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Morgan will be taking over for Vince Scully
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I'm not saying it will happen
but the last time I got excited about someone getting fired, they ended up announcing dodger games, so….
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Going back to an era
of Curt Gowdy announcing everything, the whining about Joe Morgan never stuck with me.
Curt could really
botch the pronunciation of a name.
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I could cruise on over to UCI
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Some would argue that a Buck McCarver and Morgan trio
would be considered a Crime Against Humanity.
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some? would?
considered?
Some would argue that a Buck McCarver and Morgan trio
would be considered a Crime Against Humanity.
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Well Some = people who aren't keith
trying to be respectful of other opinion. ;-)
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Oh those days of hunkering down are long over
Fuck Giants fans, they ain’t gonna run my life!
{shakes fist}
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by underdog on Nov 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
Shake harder!
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
But not this hard
{SNL Parody, featuring women shaking it}
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[x]
A seven year old boy was at the
center of a county courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling
over who should have custody of him. The boy had a history of being
beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in
keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be
maintained to the highest degree possible.
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Dallas Cowboys, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
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heh
I guess I should stick to my own material
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blue = cussing
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Why is Keith a Dallas fan?
is that what they mean by being America’s team, they got ArKansas? Shouldn’t you be a Ram or Chief fan? Aren’t the Chiefs from your mother State (Kansas).
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I don't really know, but aren't the Kansas City Chiefs from Kansas City,
which is in Missouri?
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Really, they aren't on the Kansas side?
Either way were are just talking a river.
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