Dodgers 2011 #11 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 8, 2010 8:28 AM PST
in Los Angeles Dodgers Minor League Report
Email
PrintIt was a relatively close vote, but Ethan Martin now rounds out the top 10 Dodgers prospects heading into 2011. Ivan De Jesus, Jr. was 2nd in this vote, but both Jonathan Garcia and Garrett Gould also got some support so we are going to move ahead with an actual vote for the #11 prospect. Since the list is getting pretty long, I’m not going to list the top 10 here, but instead refer to the left sidebar of the website for the TBLA ranking thus far.
With 10 more votes to go, we are going to open up the voting a little bit by including even more names. All 5 of the players I’m adding this round are from the 2010 draft, and all have different reasons for why they should be considered among the top 20 prospects heading into 2011. There are still a couple more names that I could add, but we’ll probably wait a few rounds before including anyone else since we have so many options right now. However, if you feel strongly that somebody else needs to be in the mix right now, let me know.
To make it obvious for those not reading the whole article, Click Here To Vote.
As always, use this thread to talk about the voting and other things, and only use the other Fanpost to submit your votes.
The round 11 candidates (ages as of 2011 opening day):
Jonathan Garcia (19.25 years old) OF – Garcia played the entire 2010 season as an 18 year old and posted some very solid stats. The only caveat to his .305 average and 10 homers is that he did most of his damage at home in the Raptors hitter friendly park. He’s a little undersized at 5’11", but plays solid defense and at 19 years old he still could still hit a growth spurt.
Garrett Gould (19.5 years old) RHP – Gould had a solid season in the Pioneer League as a 19 year old (4.06 ERA, 3.39 FIP), although his velocity dipped a bit during the season. However, his drop in velocity can be explained by a couple of injuries and the fact that this was really his first full season of professional baseball. In addition to his fastball, he has a very strong curveball, and like most young pitchers is working on his changeup.
Scott Elbert (25.5 years old) LHP – Battled personal problems and injuries in 2010, but the lefty is still just 25 and has nasty stuff when he is able to get it over the plate. According to a recent interview, it sounds like he will be strictly a reliever in the future.
Kyle Russell (24.75 years old) OF – Best known for his plus power and his strikeout totals, most prospect hounds either love him or hate him. Russell dominated the California League before getting promoted to AA where he struggled initially before hitting a hot streak over the final month of the season. Kyle is also a solid defender with a very good arm in right field.
Nathan Eovaldi (21 years old) RHP – Throws gas, but has never recorded particularly high strikeout numbers. According to Charlie Hough, the low strikeout totals are due his poor command. Had a mediocre season in 2010, and was limited due to a mid season oblique strain. He is still being groomed as a starter, although it has been rumored that consistency with his breaking pitches will determine his future role.
Ivan De Jesus, Jr. (23.75 years old) 2B – A broken leg cost him virtually all of his 2009 season, but De Jesus responded pretty nice bounce-back year in 2010. Hit .296 with 7 homers, although it should be noted he played his home games the very hitter friendly stadium. He doesn’t really have a plus skill, but seems to hold his own in most aspects of the game and is still just 23 years old. He is basically limited to 2B now on an everyday basis, although he could probably play enough shortstop to fill the role of a middle infield utility player.
Brian Cavazos–Galvez (23 years old) OF – After an outstanding 2009 season, BCG got off to an extremely slow start with the Great Lakes Loons. By the time 2010 season was over, however, Cavazos-Galvez had put together one of the best all around seasons of any Dodger minor leaguer. He hit .318, smacked 18 homers, stole 43 bases, and drove in 77 runs. The negatives about BCG are that he was a little bit old for LoA, and that he isn’t a very strong outfield defender.
Matt Magill (21 years old) RHP – Magill surprised a lot of people with his great 2010 season, and even led the minor leagues with a .194 opponents’ batting average. Also had a 3.28 ERA, a 1.10 WHIP, and had 9.6 strikeouts per 9 innings as a 20 year old. Some scouts describe his stuff as fringy, although throws in the low 90’s and has a slider that was too much for the Midwest League hitters.
Ralston Cash (19.5 years old) RHP – 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft had a solid debut in the Arizona Rookie League. His fastball hits 94 but sits in the lower 90’s with some movement, and he has two other potentially above average pitches (curveball and changeup).
Joc Pederson (18.75 years old) OF – The Dodgers went way over slot to sign their 11th round pick in the 2010 draft because they loved his athleticism. While he has 5 tool potential, none of the 5 tools have a particularly high ceiling. He only had 12 plate appearances for the Arizona Dodgers.
James Baldwin (19.5 years old) OF – The son of the former major league pitcher, Baldwin is an exciting young player due to his speed and athleticism. He initially struggled in his professional debut, but then made adjustments and was very good for the final month of the 2010 season. He is still very raw, but some scouts believe he has the potential to one day become a 5 tool prospect.
Jake Lemmerman (21 years old) SS – After a monster season with the Raptors this past year, Lemmerman was named as the Pioneer League MVP. In 259 at bats, Late Night had a .363 average, a 1.044 OPS, 12 homers, and 47 RBI’s. He also did all this while playing the premium position of shortstop, and coming out of college he was described as a solid defender at the position.
Leon Landry (21 years old) OF – The Dodgers 3rd round pick in the 2010 draft, Landry had a great professional debut with a .349 average and a .909 OPS. He drew comparisons to Andres Torres from the Ogden Raptors radio announcer, who also described him as a gap hitter. However, Baseball America says he could top out with a .280 and 15 homers per year. He covers a lot of ground in the outfield, although he has a below average arm.
394 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Too bad
I would have voted both De Jesus and Gould ahead of Martin, but what can you do. I guess I’ll go down with the ship and keep voting for De Jesus, but I could really see the logic in Gould going here. Heck, I could see the logic in Russell going here.
I don't think he'll start in AAA
I think he begins in AA but then will see some time in AAA before the season ends
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 8, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think I'm the first to vote Russell so far
I’ll take his power and walk potential with at least average fielding over anyone else right now.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
The Pirates top 20 by Kevin Goldstein is out.
Five-Star Prospects
1. James Taillon, RHP
2. Stetson Allie, RHP
Four-Star Prospects
3. Luis Heredia, RHP
4. Tony Sanchez, C
Three-Star Prospects
5. Rudy Owens, LHP
6. Bryan Morris, RHP
7. Starling Marte, OF
8. Jeff Locke, LHP
9. Diego Moreno, RHP
Two-Star Prospects
10. Colton Cain, LHP
11. Zack Von Rosenberg, RHP
Nine More:
12. Mel Rojas, Jr., OF: This third-round pick is a big, athletic switch-hitter with plus speed and some power potential, but is very raw.
13. Zack Dodson, LHP: He’s a lefty who has potential for three solid offerings, but projects as back-end starter.
14. Alex Presley, OF: Presley is a diminutive outfielder who can hit, but he doesn’t profile well for a corner due to a lack of power.
15. Gorkys Hernandez, OF: He’s one of the best defensive outfielders in the minors, but will he ever hit?
16. Chase D’Arnaud, SS: D’Arnaud collapsed at Double-A in 2011, but he still offers a decent approach and speed.
17. Andrew Lambo, OF: This former Dodgers prospect has seen his stock fall due to poor performances and drug suspensions. The Pirates believe in the bat, and a good showing so far in the Arizona Fall League is creating optimism.
18. Nick Kingham, RHP: This 2010 fourth-rounder is big and projectable, but he’s more of a thrower than a pitcher for now.
19. Josh Harrison, INF: An ex-Cubs prospect, Harrison can put a bat on the ball, but like Presley, he’s tiny and offers few secondary skills.
20. Quincy Latimore, OF: He’s a compact athlete who had minor a breakout year with 19 home runs and 100 RBI for High-A Bradenton, but a horrible approach still holds him back.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12400
IIRC, Lambo had a good showing in the AFL last year.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Noooooooooooooo Andrew Lambo.
So how screwed are the Pirates when they’re coming off a 57 win season and their two top prospects haven’t played one game?
Goldstein said that Tallion can pull a Kershaw and make it to the majors in his 2nd pro season, and Stetson Allie has even better stuff than Tallion.
we have Rubby!!
and doesn’t Taillon have a high 90s fastball as well?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
I know that
I was just asking about Taillon’s stuff.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
You are penalizing them for Alvarez already being in the major leagues?
Walker ended up being a good hitting 2nd baseman.
If LaRoche had panned out they could have had an infield of ex – 3rd baseman other then SS with
1st – Alvarez
2nd – Walker
SS – Cedeno
3rd – LaRochoe
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
True. I guess my problem is that there’s way to many ifs with the team to even get to the point where they might start thinking about contending. McCutchen is already great, and Alvarez probably will be, but then you’re asking for at least two of Tabata, Milledge, Walker and Sanchez to be more than mediocre.
Then you have to consider their best pitcher that’s thrown one professional pitch is Ross Olendorf, and most of their guys are much worse then him. You really have to hope that Tallion and Allie fly through the minors because of this. A lot of things have to go right for this team to even have the chance to build with free agents.
Speaking of LaRoche
down to .164/.278/.311in 71 PA in the Venezuelan Winter League. Good for dead last in that league in batting average: http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l135&lid=135&t=l_bat
Sad, really.
Can we blame the back?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Could be
apparently, LaRoche is even having trouble hitting in batting practice at this point:
Sounds like someone
whos body is just giving up on them
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
That's
very sad.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
on the other hand be glad
we weren’t waiting around for him to come around. Andy LaRoche got us Manny, then sucked couldn’t ask for more then that as a Dodger fan.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
this
is true
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I say we get zero
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If Dee Gordon is a 5 star prospect
the Sun has surely set on Dodgertown. He’s potentially good, but he’s not projecting to be some perennial all star.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
A few days ago, Canuck Dodger wrote ...
Well, Last Year…
Jon Weisman asked me to do an article on our top 20 prospects (with me choosing the 20) for the Maple Street Press 2010 Dodger guide that he was editing. I believe my deadline was something like November 7 or 8. He didn’t get in touch with me this year, so I am assuming (a) there isn’t going to be a 2011 Dodger publication from Maple Street Press, (b) there will be a Dodger publication but somebody other than Jon is editing it, or © Jon decided to ask somebody else to write the prospect article this time.
by CanuckDodger on Nov 4, 2010 1:14 PM PDT
I can tell you that a) seems most likely, b) is possible and c) is not the case.
Kevin Goldstein also gave a review of the NL West farm systems for 2010
Los Angeles Dodgers
No. 1 Prospect: Dee Gordon, SS (27th overall)
What Was Said: "…Despite his performance, most see Gordon as a one-step-at-a-time player."
Analysis: Except for the Dodgers, that is, who moved Gordon up two levels to Double-A. While Gordon answered the challenge well, and his peripheral numbers were equal to what he did in the Midwest League in 2009, questions about his lack of power and sloppy defense remain.
Two Through Eleven: Los Angeles’ 2007 first-round pick, Chris Withrow (second), had a breakout year in 2009 and an equally bad year in 2010 as his mechanics fell apart while his velocity and control dipped. Ethan Martin (third), their 2008 first-rounder, had similar, if not more troubling problems in the California League. On a more positive note, 2009 supplemental first-rounder Aaron Miller (fourth) showed above-average velocity and command in the California League, before an ugly showing in Double-A proved that man can not live by fastball alone. Fellow southpaw Scott Elbert (fifth), left the organization in July for personal reasons, but returned toward the end of the year and may pitch in the Arizona Fall League in order to begin 2011 with a fresh start. Outfielder Trayvon Robinson (sixth), 2009’s breakout offensive player, wasn’t able to bring his California League power with him to Double-A, but he continued to refine his approach in preparation for a future leadoff role. Teenage righty Garrett Gould (seventh) was solid in the Pioneer League, but not as good as advertised. Infielder Ivan DeJesus Jr. (eighth) moved over to second base, but his bat didn’t advance enough to become a starter, while Triple-A teammate Josh Lindblom (ninth) got hammered in both starting and relief roles. The best story in the system was Kenley Jansen (10th), as the converted catcher entered the year with less then 12 innings of professional experience on the mound, and finished it with four major-league saves and 41 strikeouts in 27 big-league innings. After hitting 26 home runs and striking out 180 times in 2009, outfielder Kyle Russell (11th) nearly matched those numbers perfectly in 2010 with 26 bombs and 177 whiffs.
Sleeper: Easily my best sleeper pick of the year, outfielder Jerry Sands reached Double-A while hitting .301/.395/.598 in the process with 35 home runs.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12215
So after all that
outfielder Jerry Sands reached Double-A while hitting .301/.395/.598 in the process with 35 home runs.
Sands didn’t crack his Top 10?
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
He was
reviewing his top 10 going into the season.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
So the Tigers are going to use Peralta at SS
for the next two years:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-tigers-peralta
Given how Inge can play 3rd base maybe they should make Inge the SS and Peralta the 3rd baseman. I guess after having Carlos Guillen play SS on two bad legs a few years ago, having Peralta won’t be to bad, but man he’s a crappy defensive SS.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Maybe Inge's back
can’t handle SS?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Just curious
why is Garrett Gould considered more of a prospect then Ralston Cash?
To bad Gould is not gold then we could have yearned for the pitching tandem of Gold and Cash and had endless debates about which is better to have Gold, or Cash.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Cash 4 Gold
or Gould
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Because Gould held out until the last day to sign which allowed everyone to talk about how great it was and how the stupid and cheap McCourts were going to waste a golden oppurtunity to sign this star.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
NASCAR?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
2010 stats
Garret Gould: 57.2 IP at Odgen
H/9:10.6
BB/9: 3.1
K/9: 8.1
Ralston Cash: 30 IP at Ariz, 6 IP at Odgen
(combined stats)
H/9: 10.0
BB/9: 3.5
K/9: 7.5
I would probably rank Gould higher if only because he’s likely at low-A while Cash is probably at Odgen next year. You want to switch them? Go ahead, I guess.
No, I agree
but they seem to be close yet I never hear Cash in the conversation.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Gould did have the bigger hype coming into the draft. I seen mock drafts place him in the late first round, and he had a scholarship to one of the best baseball colleges in Wichita St. Its not as if its something that Gould and his agent made up.
Cash was seen as an overdraft by White.
Right
but the reality seems to be that Gould is not what the hype was all about so I’d think that puts him closer to Cash.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Sure
Looking at Kensai’s reports, Cash’s secondary pitches were described as ‘fringy’ while people agree that Gould has a good curveball.
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2010/06/los-angeles-dodgers-select-ralston-cash.html
Gould is only a month older than Cash
but he’s a year ahead of him in development at this point. Similar to Withrow vs. Martin.
I'm surprised no one with the last name of Dart
has ever made it to the major leagues.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Just applied for a job in a farming community(I assume its a farming community, the school has less than 500 students total)
north of Sactown. I really need a job.
Good luck
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Good luck
from me as well
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
If Magglio Ordonez could be had on a one year deal
who would want him for LF?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
us
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Oh you meant who on this board?
I thought you meant what teams.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
yes, us on TBLA
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
so in that case
this guy
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Arnold Horshack
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Arnold Horshack
(Ron Palillo)
The class clown of the Sweathogs, completely comfortable with his oddball, if innocent personality. Horshack was known for his unique observations and his wheezing laugh, similar to that of a hyena. It is possible that academically he is the smartest Sweathog. He was the only one of the central Sweathogs to be promoted out of remedial academics class, but he soon returned after feeling out of place. He has an affection for acting and enjoys old movies, particularly 1930 musicals. He eventually married Mary Johnson, a co-worker and fellow Sweathog. Although his surname sounds like a term for a brothel, he claimed it’s a “very old and respected name” meaning “the cattle are dying.” His middle name (and his mother’s maiden name) is “Dingfelder.” 1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Back,Kotter#ArnoldHorshack
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Welcome back...
welcome back
welcome back
welcome baaaaaackkk…..
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
they also have Kuroda
going to the Pirates. He would immediately be their ace.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'll put the chances of that happening at less then 1 percent
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
That is pretty ridic
did Pitt move to the West Coast?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It is on the West Coast
of the Monongahela River
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
lmao
no wait, now I’m crying
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I’ve posted this before, and I’m gonna keep posting it, because I think this song is the soundtrack of the Dodgers’ offseason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNTQvXSsfA
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
How much is Uribe going to cost?
and would you rather have him over Theriot?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Yes
if price is same
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I don’t even want to chance having to say “Juan Uribe is our best hitter”
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
If he isn't going to cost much more then theriot
and its a one or two year deal I think I would actually be ok with it. If its the key deal of our offseason, we are fucked anyways, but as one piece of the puzzle I like him.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Our winter plan should be simple
Sign Huff, Uribe, and Renteria, move Furcal to CF. Ready to become World Champions.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I would take huff
not renteria. Of course this is all assuming that we aren’t giving them all 3 year 10 million dollar deals.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I''m always worried when someone responds seriously to a post like that
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
hah
I’m about to watch another team(not the Dodgers) piss their season away so I’m in full optimism mode, it helps to keep me from drinking.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
congrats on the Raiders
delias man
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
yes
I was watching in an area where you could only see the screen where there was a bunch of people about to bail for the BART. I guy I was talking to there guaranteed me I could get from where I was standing to my gate at OAK airport in 20 minutes. I squeezed back into the stadium and watched. Made it to my gate with 17 minutes to spare. Since when did NFL games take 4 hours like college games anyways?
when they call
20+ penalties
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
and go to OT
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
SC Fans..
tell me how did he even get on the roster at SC? He even went to a HS that had no football program. He could not get into a better school in the valley?
Didn’t he also play baseball?
If so, Chatsworth is the place to go to high school.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
1994 LLWS Champion!
Cassel attended Chatsworth High School and was a letterman, an all-city selection, and a standout in both football and baseball. As a senior, he was ranked as the number eight quarterback and number 53 overall of the top high school players in the nation according to ESPN’s Tom Lemming’s Top 100. Lemming called Cassel a “pro-style pocket passer with a very strong, accurate delivery.”
per wikipedia
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
who did he pass it to that could catch a ball? I do not know if any of you understand the talent level of a City football team that is outside of the top 8-10 each year. It is like watching pop warner.
I don't think he accidentally
ended up on USC, and accidentally ended up on New England, and accidentally had a really good year. Sure he is super mediocre to crap right now, but that doesn’t mean he has never had any talent or didn’t do anything to earn it.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
fine
replace accidentally with lucked in my paragraph, and it still holds true, your bias against the chiefs doesn’t change that.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I don't think he deserved such a fat contract
for one year of success either, but sadly thats how business is often done in sports.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I knew the Chiefs were going to fall when
my best friend from KC called me to gloat about how great his Chiefs were doing, I knew he was screwed by the time the call ended.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
They are still in first
and their schedule seems on the soft side going forward. I wouldn’t count them out yet
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Making the playoffs means nothing
Chief fans have been to the playoffs, haven’t they Mr. Shotinhdkd0-gheireikerk
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It means a lot
when you have been complete crap for years.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Yeah he was kind of excited
but he also knew he was going to get kicked in the nutts so he’s wearing a cup.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I understand his feelings completely
except I have no history of making the playoffs to fall back on for my team.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I have a bias against shit QB's
that played for no-talent 3A high schools, SC, NE and KC. I can surely admit that.
You seem stubborn on this
so I will root for Cassel to carve your Raiders up next time they meet and they only other USC QB I’ve ever rooted for was Carson Palmer.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
That might be enough to win the AFC West.
Jesus Christ, why is the West in the NFL have so many bad teams?
because real football is played in proximity to Canton
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Hence
why the Browns are the best franchise ever
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
They are doing pretty good
in Baltimore aren’t they?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
One championship
After they moved farther away from Canton
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
hey the Browns were a powerhouse until they started letting those…nope can’t make that joke
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
lol lienart
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
at least you have a week
before you face the Steelers. Your CB will be back.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Your Ned Guy® count is up to like 274 players at this point.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
There are a lot of shitty old players out there
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Did you know that half of all players are below average
Half!!
And all of these players are Ned Guys.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Only if they are vets
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
interesting thing about Uribe
is if/when Furcal gets hurt again, he could slide to SS
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking about that. That’s what I kinda like about the deal. When Furcal goes down, Uribe slides over and Carroll plays 2B.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
or if blake gets broken
or sucks or w/e we can move him to 3rd. His versatility assuming he hits at all is a big draw
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Casey Blake
2nd on the Dodgers in WAR in 2010, after Furcal.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also, old
thus, could get broken, or simply regress, and his high war had a lot to do with 3b around baseball sucking. Also, would you rather have Uribe at 3rd and Blake at first, or Blake and Loney?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Do you really believe that just because FanGraphs says such nonsense?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Just from watching him play all year I thought he was pretty damn good with the glove over at 3B. You saw something different?
I thought he was okay
I didn’t think he was great with range but he had a very accurate arm. Kind of reminded me of a larger Ron Cey in that everything he got he made the play on.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
HUMMA'S COMPLETE LIST OF PLAYERS WE KNOW 100% FOR SURE THAT, BARRING UNPREDICTABLE AND CATASTROPHIC INJURY, WILL NOT BE TERRIBLE IN '11
1. Clayton Kershaw
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Jamey Carrol
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
There is a definite and absolute upper limit to Jamey’s Not-Terriblishness, though.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
You underestimate
the effects of his grit on the clubhouse
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
His Grit will not be terrible.
His play will probably not be terrible so long as we have reasonable expectations.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
but he wasn’t a great hitter, and isn’t Uribe supposed to be pretty good with the glove? I just think its likely blake could get injured or regress, or simply that we would be better off with him at 1b when playing leftys then Loney, in addition to Uribes ability to play 2nd and short.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I contend the following
1. Casey Blake is old and his best days are behind him.
2. The Dodgers have bigger fish to fry than Casey Blake.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
9th in UZR
3rd in RZR
3rd in total zone
Blake is immobile, but really good at defending balls down the line. Since those almost all turn in to doubles, he gets more credit than a slightly rangier guy.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't see that great defense down the line
but that is why they don’t trust the subjective view.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Casey Blake is 7th among qualified 3B taking a 3 year average in UZR. Tied with Brandon Inge, a player Phil likes for his defense.
The difference
is that I’ve seen Casey Blake play 3rd base every game so I can make an informed subjective opinion, on Inge I can only go by the metrics because I see him play maybe five times a year.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I always like to think of it like this
If there were no offensive stats displayed, ever, and you were forced to identify the best hitters just by watching them, could you tell the difference between a .275 hitter and a .300 hitter? Half a hit every 20 at-bats is the difference between the two.
I contend that our eyes are designed to fool us.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Just to clarify
2nd on the Dodgers in WAR in 2010, after Furcal…. for hitters
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
yes, I should have been more clear.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Uribe wouldn't be bad as a utility guy
But no doubt he’d be signed to start at 2B. Or worse, he’d end up starting at 3B after Beard finally falls apart.
As a starting 2b
even if he regresses, he might actually be better then theriot. Theriot has had an ops+ of 70 for about 3 years, and Uribe’s worst ops over the last 5 is 73, but has been much much better the last 2 years.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I'm sure he'd be beter then Theriot
but I’m really hoping those aren’t the only two options for starting 2B.
They are
Who do you think is out there for us to pick up to play 2nd?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Dan Uggla?
/ducks, runs away, screaming “just kidding!!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
It was all I could do not to respond to nolander by saying
His Name Means Owl in Swedish
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
And to get him would require a bunch of prospects
and then we would have to give him a five year deal to keep him around. I’ll pass.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I know Noly
i was playing around. Even if the Dodgers were content to let him walk, he’d still cost about $10 mil next season.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I know
Your ducking and screaming gave it away.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
:D
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
In case you all did not notice
Delias Man has a new fan post and asks an interesting question.
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/8/1801115/20-the-core
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Back to Magglio
quite a consistent career with one or two great years mixed in.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ordonma01.shtml
He is always somone I think of when they talk about minor league stats because no way you would have predicted his major league success based on this:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ordonma01.shtml
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Just to chime in, I would be down with Maggs.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
only one year
with an OPS+ under 100.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
His second year in the league.
The next 12 he’s had an OPS+ > 100.
Of course, in none of those years was Magglio about to turn 37.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing we won’t be paying Maggs $22.5 million per year.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Manny had plenty of warning signs
and plenty of leg issues before we even traded for him.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
The problem was that Manny’s warning-sign-to-dredlock ratio went way up while hee was with our team.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
and on MLBTR
they were saying that other than the ankle injury this year, Maggs has only had one other extended DL stint since 2006, in 08 for an obilique strain.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Last season
He only played in the field for 71 games. I hope that would get taken into account with any sort of contract given that we have no DH slot for him to sit in.
That was the ankle injury
something that doesn’t sound like it would be a recurring injury, unlike say for example manny’s knee issues.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Ankles are equally as problematic as knees. Especially when you are 37. He only played the field in 104 games in 2009. He also missed significant time in both ’04 and ’05.
All, I’m saying is that he should not be paid as more than a 1 year platoon guy, which makes me think someone in the AL who can use him as a DH would be willing to pay more.
I agree with this
but the question was simply would you want Magg’s for one year. And I would, even as a part time player against RHP, and full time against LHP because we need a big right handed bat against LHP since our LHH can’t hit them and neither can Matt Kemp.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
that would be
because of the freak ankle injury.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
That’s when Xavier Paul, platoon partner, comes in handy.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I don't want Magglio
Unless its only for one year.
He has “aging vet getting injured and/or not performing up to his contract while blocking a young player” written all over him.
In other words, he’s a Ned guy.
.954 career OPS against LHP
and 1.171 in 2010. He had alot of trouble with RHP this season but simply destroyed LHP.
The question was for one year and I’d love for Magg’s to be a Dodger for 2011.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I agree with this. Assuming Kemp and Ethier are locked in in CF/RF, our current LF depth chart is something like: Gibbons, Paul, Hoffman, Oeltjen, Sands. If Trayvon & [dare I say] Russell are on their way up, we still need someone for at least this year.
El Lay Dave is still rooting for somebody to mention the Paul/Mitchell platoon
Just so he can have a chance to post the picture of that guy.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Can we sign Chris Ray and convert him to OF, so we can have a Ray/Ordoñez platoon?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
No sign of him since '04
Tried to catch on with the Mariners in ‘06 but was beaten out by, of all people, Jason Ellison. If wikipedia is to be believed, he’s now living in FLA, a full US citizen, and fairly recently remarried.
At some point, you need to let your farm system graduate players instead of playing a masochistic game claiming that none of your players you developed are good enough.
I would like Mags on a one year deal, but at the right price.
Do you think there is anybody in the system who can give you more next year than Magglio?
That’s all BH was saying and I agree. It doesn’t have to be a grand statement about the minor league system.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
We did that trick
and with mixed results. You don’t need to open a spot for every Tom, Dick, and Harry that comes through the farm system only the ones that will help you build toward your goal of winning a World Championship.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If your best prospect is a Left fielder, and you have an open spot at Left Field, and he’s close enough to the majors, why would block him from playing Left Field?
Being the best prospect on the Dodgers is like being the toughest guy at the barbecue.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure why, but this really made me laugh.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
and he’s close enough to the majors,
Are you talking about Jerry Sands?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t agree that either Sands or Robinson is “close enough to the majors.” I think it’s in everyone’s interests to have them in the minors for another season…
…and surely, I invite them to make me eat my words.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Because he won't be ready in 2011
and we will probably need him at 1st base before we need him in LF.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I don’t think Sands is good/close enough for us even to worry about him. If we sign Crawford/Werth to a five-year deal, we’ll still have Kemp or Ethier ending their arb years soon. We don’t have enough logs for a log jam.
by kinbote on Nov 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
We don’t have enough logs for a log jam.
I really like this sentence.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our motto for 2011
especially in the rotation
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I do too
and I rec’d it.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
If we sign Crawford/Werth, I’d still like signing Magglio on a one year deal to platoon with Ethier/Loney.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
But there isn’t anyone who could give you more in 2011 than Magglio.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
At best it’s debatable if Sands would be better than Scotty Pods in 2011.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
You’re punting on the year if Pods is your starting LF in 2011. Might as well be spent on a guy who could use the time developing in the majors.
Kills a year of service time for no reason, and having Sands get baffled by magical curving baseballs won’t do as much for him as time in the minors would.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Trying to hit major league off stuff at triple-A is pretty hard. Besides, I haven’t heard he had a problem with off speed pitches. Where did you read that?
I’m making assumptions from his high strikeout totals his whole career.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
It is my contention that unless the Dodgers sign Werth or Crawford, they are punting on 2011. There is reason to believe that promoting the young player would stunt his development.
Nobody has any desire to watch Podsednik play every day, but you can’t make a foolish choice to change that.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Beltre or Dunn don't count?
Konerko?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I kinda rule those out because I really, really don’t think they’ll happen. I don’t really think Werth or Crawford will happen, either, but at least the dodgers actually have an availability in LF, so who knows. But with Blake under contract and Loney still (probably) cheaper than other options, I think they’re gonna go with those guys.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers are not punting in 2011
or Ted Lilly would still be a free agent.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
That's true
“punting” is the wrong word. “have no chance unless everything gets magical and sunshiney” is the phrase I was looking for.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure
Maggs seems just about right. A guy who may not want to be a DH, is to old to be given a multi year deal, wants to play for a competitive team, and has always had the hots for California Girls.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
So why wouldn’t sign with the Angels? They shown a williness to treat Juan Rivera like crap, and play DHes in the outfield, with more money.
Juan Rivera is crap now
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
The Angels don't have room
Their 2011 OF will be Crawford-Bourjos-Hunter, with Abreu at DH
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Catching Chickens before they hatch there Eric. There’s going to be 4 or 5 teams willing to pay Crawford what he wants. Can’t just pencil him in there.
Point taken, but
If you are allowed to make baseless comments about 2011, we all are :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Any outfield that had Bo Jackson in it
is the most athletic outfield ever.
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
I'm all for this if its a one year deal
Anything more and I will be mad, and all of you will be too when we’re stuck with his contract in 2012 and 2013.
All of us would agree right now
that we do not want a multi year deal unless it is something like 2/10 Million.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Is this just the first volume?
NEW YORK — Former Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow is working on an inspirational memoir.
Tebow is collaborating with Nathan Whitaker on “Through My Eyes,” scheduled to come out in April. HarperCollins announced the book Monday.
Because he is a rookie who has accomplished nothing in the NFL
but the guy has lived an interesting life and I do not begrudge him capitalizing on it while he can.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
He’s capitalizing on it because people like Tripon are obviously infatuated with him.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
There are two types of people when it comes to Tebow
those who love him, and those who hate them, and yet both of them can’t get enough of him.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Exactly
and I’d say those are the majority
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It shouldn't
a publisher offered him a huge payout for a book, he obliged. The content might bug you but the fact he has is already getting ready to publish a book is not his fault, it is the publisher who has decided there is a demand for a Tebow book now so strike while irons hot before he’s not a hot commodity.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Exactly
I mean we live in a world where Snooki got a book deal. Where twitter feeds are getting TV development deals.
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I really wonder if people actually read these books
or if they just buy them, read a chapter, and store them on the bookshelf for eternity.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
This
I have over 100 books I have purchased but have yet to read. I don’t like reading much anymore, TV or this stupid blog always seem more interesting these days.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
fair enough
I just don’t think there is any way most people who buy these bucks read most, or even half of it.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
it’s a coffee table conversation piece, like those other hipster books “Stuff White People Like” or “All life is poop”. It’s something for your guest to half read while you’re on the toilet or changing or something
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
So does buying a copy
Come with discount tickets to heaven?
Ha, TMZ is on the cafe at school and Russell Martin is on
Camera man: Hey are you the catcher for the Dodgers?
Russell Martin: Man, I hope so
hah for real?
thats hilarious.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
wow
Was he smiling when he said that?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
if he was asked recently it’s probably self-effacing, what with in Rod we Trust and all
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I don't see why not
he can still make a few million dollars
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Better that then Raider fans
you seem to pick teams to root for based on how bad an owner they have. Dodgers/Clippers/Raiders quite a trio.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
The problem with NFL fans in LA
is they are either Charger or Raiders fans. Insufferable lot all of them. Phillip Rivers or the Penalty Brigade. Yippy.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
No he isn't
Chargers fans like him BECAUSE he is a douche bag /generalization of the bros that watch chargers.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
also because he’s really good at playing quarterback, like the tier below Manning
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I always hated his mechanics
I thought he’d be a bust out of college because his release point is too low (same with Leftwich who was a bust.)
He’s obviously been able to make it work, but I’m still shocked he can throw deep balls with accuracy.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I met some guys who collect autographs down in San Diego
when I was there for Manny’s return in 2009. They also got Charger autographs. If I am remembering this correctly, they thought Drew Brees was a great guy and always signed things without a problem, Phillip Rivers is a jerk about ti.
Or vice versa.
I have issues with grown men who judge athletes personalities based on how they treat grown men requesting autographs
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This 1000000%
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
You judge them on how they
treat people who cater their lunches.
I would say these guys were in their late teens. But on the other hand, being nice and respectful to fans should not be seen as out of the norm behavior either.
actually yeah
I think how you treat the help is more a reflection on your personality than how you treat people trying to make a buck off you (I know, not all collectors turn it around on eBay)
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
according to this twitter feed
king laser face is a jerk to the help, so there! http://twitter.com/kinglaserface
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I judge him based on him acting like a punk bitch on the field
but maybe thats just me
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Did he ever run onto the field to taunt the opposing teams offense?
In 20 years no one will remember Rivers for being annoying, they’ll remember him for being a good QB, doesn’t mean I have to like him though.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Good qb, horrible line
whiny bitch
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
When I got
two carnitas tacos at 11:05 last night, there was a guy in a Cutler Bears jersey. I was like, the Super Bowl was nice and all, but you lost, move on
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
??
Cutler wasn’t the quarterback on the Super Bowl team. Rex Grossman was.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
sexy rexy
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
oh that’s right. I have no idea why he was wearing a Cutler jersey then
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
yeah buh
isn’t Cutler a Bronco now? I don’t really care/follow American Football closely outside of the Chargers
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
good to know. who’s quarterbacking the Broncos then?
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
what is Randy Orton a country singer or something?
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
wrestler
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Been to a chargers game recently?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
an unfortunate consequence
of being a single digit age when the Raiders and Rams left, and the Chargers being on TV every week when I started to pay attention to sports other than baseball and soccer.
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
They’ll move in with the 49ers in Santa Clara once that stadium’s built
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
hrm, well there’s not enough money to build three stadiums in the Bay Area within the next five years, I know that much
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
they should become a barnstorming team, Oakland just being a stand in for tough working class black wearing bad asses
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
After watching the Las Vegas Bowl last year which was a complete joke since neither team could pass the ball, I have decided a dome is mandatory for the wind.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I don't actually remember the LA Raiders or Rams
so when I started actually watching football at age 10 or so, the Chargers were the “local” team
Optimists drown in half-full bathtubs.
If anyone wants to read
a few paragraphs of me rambling about Magic Johnson on November 7, 1991, you can do so here.
You want to make me cry?
top sad days related to my sports hero’s
1. Magic Johnson Press Conference
2. Don Dyrsdale passing away in his hotel room as though he was mortal
3. Junior Jim Gilliam dying suddenly in 78
4. Lyman Bostock getting shot by accident
5. Adenhart last summer
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Adenhart was tough
that was really just the fucking worst by far in my life for sports tragedies I think.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
The shooter meant to shoot the woman in the car with Bostock.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I was way too young to really understand what was going on.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I read it in a letter from my Mom the next week. My brother wrote about a page on the presser. I wrote them back and all I wanted to talk about was Magic.
My Mom was pissed.
I did get to tell all of the dudes in my platoon about it though.
I broke the Magic news to 1968 sprinting bronze medalist John Carlos, who was the track coach and in school suspension dude at my high school at the time.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
As a kid
I met Magic twice, once pre-announcement and once after. The time after I had a fever, and he was coming out of my doctor’s office in Torrance. The time prior was at my second cousin’s birthday party
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t really remember the birthday party, but I don’t think so
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
and yes I realize it’s one day late. I didn’t have time to finish it yesterday.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
nice article
I was 7, but I remember that with the same feeling as you. “He’s going to die.” Glad to see how very very wrong I was.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 8, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I thought
this was going to link to a twenty year old blog entry. Still, neat!
Sidenote, did you notice the Galaxy writeup got a random good job for a nice stranger? Progress!
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Awesome
I checked the comments earlier in the night, but not later.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Baltimore vs. Pittsburgh
Green Bay vs. NYG
Your conference championship projections as of November 8th. The Eagles really look tough, though.
But that would require supposedly-elite QB Aaron Rodgers to win a playoff game.
Just kidding, Josie. He’s legit. :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
No way
The NYG make it to the conference championship. They are only good against shitty teams.
They were high
But I don’t really mind it. Being high means they are covered and I didn’t really feel like getting soaked.
Plus, sitting high up in a football game is pretty cool since you can see the plays develop.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Was this comment sponsored by Bill Simmons
circa 2007? I remember his expert analysis: Look at Eli Manning. Tell me that guy can win 3 playoff games on the road.
That’s why they pay Bill the big bucks.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
You forgot to mention the Manning Face, and your buddy Sully.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 8, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
they don’t pay him for his analysis, I’ll say that!
by Julio Nievas on Nov 8, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
The Seahawks are horrible, but that was an impressive asswhipping yesterday. Giants are scary on both sides of the ball.
Their D line is awesome
they have a lot of talent at reciever, and Manning is a pretty solid QB, even if people love to hate him.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Living in NY
I’ve watched almost all of their games. They beat up on bad/mediocre teams and struggle against better teams. They turn the ball over a lot, especially Eli if he has any pressure on him, their secondary isn’t very good and their ST’s are pretty bad (not Chargers bad, but still bad). Their D line is really good though and they run the ball really well.
They’ve only beaten one team with a winning record. Stat from today’s subway paper:
Combined record of teams they’ve beaten: 17 – 31
Combined record of teams they’ve lost to: 10 – 6
Living in California, I’ve watched all their games. Equating turnovers with Eli pressure is garbage since more than half of the picks HAVE HIT HIS RECEIVERS IN THE HANDS. The only game they looked particularly bad was against Indy in week 2. The Tenn game was a mess but they probably outplayed them in that game except for the turnovers. Turnovers have gotten better since then (yes teams will improve on that as the season goes on.)
They’ve lost 2 games and really only struggled in one. Therefore, suggesting that they are only good against shitty teams “is one of the most ridiculous generalization statements I’ve seen posted on this board.”
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Its not really a generalization when it is the case. They have only beaten one team with a winning record (Bears). I didn’t say the Giants aren’t a good team, I wrote, “They beat up on bad/mediocre teams and struggle against better teams.” This is supported in their record and schedule and its just my reason for why I don’t think they will win a conference championship.
They only struggled in one game. One game does not make a sample size and using that to suggest “They are only good against shitty teams” (as you did in your initial post) is a generalization based on an extremely small sample size.
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Not even sure why we are arguing over this
but are you really saying they didn’t struggle in a game they lost? There may have been some anomalies in the game, but any game you lose is a struggle. That is 25% of the games they have played so far, which isn’t really a small sample. Not to mention it is 66% of the games they have played against teams with winning records.
Either way, I guess that’s why they play 16. I’m sure they will end up at least 11 – 5.
I’m arguing because I didn’t appreciate your inital comment nor the methodology by which you continue to come to your conculsion (which continues to be that they are only good against shitty teams.)
by Michael White on Nov 8, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I admit my initial comment was written poorly, so let me rephrase and elaborate.
I do think the Giants are a good team. However, I think they look better against bad teams, and have not looked as good against better teams. I don’t think they are as good as the other teams they will meet in the playoffs. For that reason, I do not think they will get to the conference championship.
shocked
no wait whats that other thing?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Shocked, shocked
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she had to walk into mine
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
That’s why I avoid gin joins and instead drink all my gin at home, alone.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
what is he going to do
with all his millions?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
he should buy his own football team, that’ll show em
by Josie Becker on Nov 8, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
He is horrible and this is the best news possible in the worst possible season for a Cowboys fan.
I hope no one else has to put up with his goofy ass coaching their team.
No thanks.
I think there is a distinct difference in Head Coaches and Coordinators.
Norv and Wade are coordinators.
I don’t give a shit who we hire, just not some has been/never will be.
The main issue is that Jerry Jones is the GM. If he would just let go, we could hire a Gruden, Billick, Cowher(he’d never do it)
None of these guys will be hired and have 0 say over player moves.
So it will be Jason Garrett.
Isn’t that old news? Didn’t he and Ricciardi both get hired last week?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Nov 8, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Someone actually gave JP Riccardi a job?
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I mean that’s like hiring Keith’s boss off the unemployment line.
by regfairfield on Nov 8, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
The Ricciardi thing was reported, but DePo was only rumored. He seemed happy in San Diego, even with the regime change. Even made some comments that he didn’t want to be a GM anymore.
I'll choose to interpret those comments as
“I won’t try to steal your job, please just get me the hell out of here”
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
NPOT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/8/1800235/can-you-come-home-again
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on True Blue LA
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
