Anybody Want a Slugging First Baseman?
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 12:00 PM PST
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For the second entry in our series of free agent signings that we would love but nobody really expects the Dodgers to bid on is possibly the least likely of the four, Adam Dunn. We've had some fun on this blog in the past discussing who the ultimate Ned guy's are and Adam Dunn is surely the anti-Ned. The beastly slugger who strikes out a ton and has a tendency to play sideshow defense in the outfield was not even mentioned as one of the token targets in the 2008 off-season when the team was playing their waiting game with Manny Ramirez. At the time, Colletti had mentioned guys like Garret Anderson and Hideki Matsui as possible free agent candidates in the case that the team was unable to agree to terms with Ramirez. Dunn was ignored, even though the would be 29 year old Dunn was still on the market. Washington was able to capitalize on the lack of interest for Dunn by signing him to a 2 year deal and Dunn responded by posting a wOBA of .394 and .379 respectively.
The Good:
Adam Dunn is a machine at the plate. Dunn has posted a career wOBA of .384 (in 10 seasons) which has been built on both power and plate discipline. During his stay in Washington, Dunn posted an OPS+ of 144 and 138 respectively (which would have been second best on the Dodgers after Manny.) In the past two seasons in Washington, Dunn hit 38 home runs in each year which comes after a fairly remarkable (if odd and fairly meaningless coincidence) line where Dunn hit exactly 40 home runs for the four seasons prior. In terms of peripherals, Dunn has posted a career BB% of 16.3% and a career ISO of .271.
The Bad:
Not as though this isn't already factored into the statistics above, but Adam Dunn strikes out a whole lot. For his career his K% is 32.8% which actually went up slightly to 35.7% last season. In addition to his K problem, Dunn has had his issues with the glove. His career UZR is dreadful and has a lot of large negative numbers. On the bright side, Dunn was actually passable last season at <3.1> which would ordinarly be meaningless but it is the only time Dunn was told to play first base and only first base, so perhaps Dunn can be a capable first baseman.
Contract:
Dunn is coming off of a very affordable 2 year $20MM contract and will surely be interested in capitalizing on his continued success while he is still young enough to command his last big contract. In terms of what Dunn will likely be looking for, I asked resident expert Eric Stephen for an idea.
For some reason I have had in my head 3 / $36m for Dunn all along, although to be honest I haven't done much research. I think he is hurt by the thought that he is really a DH, and of course most people's aversion to strikeouts.
Paul Konerko was coming off 41 HR / 117 RBI and 40/100 in 2004-2005, and signed for 5/$60m. That's probably too far back for any sort of reasonable comp though. That same offseason, Derrek Lee was coming off a should-be-MVP season (1.080 OPS, 174 OPS+, 50 doubles, 46 home runs), and signed for 5/$65m. Both Konerko and Lee were heading into their age 30 season; Dunn will be 31 next year.
My opinion:
While I realize that I have a better chance of being signed by Ned than Adam Dunn, I can't help but think signing a 3 year deal as Eric outlined above is the perfect option. Dunn allows the Dodgers to actively shop or simply non-tender James Loney who is estimated to make $4.5MM next year. While I'm not sure there is much of a market for Loney, simply non-tendering Loney and replacing him with Dunn would be a huge boost to the Dodger offense, and the difference in defense I find quite exaggerated. Additionally, the three other free agents being discussed in this series are better players and simply better fits (especially considering that starting in LF next year could be Scott Podsednik or a platoon of Xavier Paul and Trent Oeltjen), but will come with a much larger price tag. Signing Dunn to a contract outlined above with upgrade the current roster and will also (hopefully) allow the Dodgers the financial flexibility to offer contract extensions to either Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley or both. Assuming optimistically that trading James Loney brings in a 5th starter, the addition of Dunn and departure of Loney will have allowed for a more complete team for the next few seasons.
Adam Dunn is the best free agent option for this team.
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/Raises Hand
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
maybe the team
who traded Haren for Saunders
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It was a serious question,
not a trollish one. But, actually, we traded Haren for Skaggs.
Mr. Science Boy
I'm sure all DBack fans were
thrilled with that haul while they watch Cargo and Brett Anderson play baseball.
Anyway some GM might be interested in a guy who has always hit well outside of Dodger Stadium.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Not sure
what point you’re trying to make about Haren, since my question was about Loney, but…
Looks like career 96 wRC+ in LA and 101 wRC+ away. So yeah, he hits okay outside Dodger Stadium, but only barely above average.
Mr. Science Boy
I am one who really doesn't know
who would trade for Loney, at least right now. Perhaps the aforementioned Quentin for Loney deal if their salaries would match up and both are being considered for non-tendering.
Simply that any GM at any time is capable of doing a stupid trade
so when you ask who would trade for Loney, about ten GM’s might raise their hand. I was simply using your own teams recent past to show how that could happen.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I don’t want Loney, but I can’t the meercat’s point: as soon as the Dodgers trade him away, he will turn into Mark Grace.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
And by the same point
if you had someone to trade that you felt was untradeable I’m sure our GM would also raise his hand. If you hadn’t already been able to shed Qualls I’m sure we’d be calling you right now.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Well that is true
But we are talking Kevin Towers now.
I am fairly sure Mark Reynolds could be had if you take all his salary. He’ll throw in Chris Young too.
He ain't throwing in Chris Young
unless you think we are also just going to give away Matt Kemp. That is a strange comment coming from you, maybe the most unlikely you’ve ever posted.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Sorry
I should clarify.
I meant Towers is probably trying to deal those two but not to the Dodgers for Loney, just a general comment on how he plans to reshape the D-Backs.
I see no deal between the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks unless Greg Maddux is involved.
I would be surprised
if he doesn’t deal Reynolds
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
he hits well in AZ
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
but your park is a hitter’s park. And he doesn’t K as much LaRoche did. Though I doubt with Allen coming up the D-backs would want him, unless they plan to keep playing him in the OF.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Nah. We wouldn't want him,
and I doubt the Dodgers would trade him in-division unless they’d get one helluva haul. Without checking the numbers, though, I’d wager he hits well against us in Dodger Stadium, too.
Just one of those fluke things.
Mr. Science Boy
I would rather trade him within the division.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
to the Padres for A-gon!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I hear the Padres are looking to deal him
The chances of us landing him are nil. But he sure would be a great fit.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
but if you want a serious answer
the Nats were said to be interested, I can’t believe they’d be the only ones.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking Houston, the Cubs, or Washington, to name a few.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
MIL too
as they might be trading Fielder this offseason
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
The Cubs.
We are gonna trade him for Tom Gorzelanny.
I’ve been saying this for 6 months. I can’t stop now!!
The natives here are pretty hostile to Loney.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
The natives here are pretty hostile toLoneythe horrible millstone around the neck of the Dodger offense, the dead weight at an offensive position, the guy we have patiently defended only to be rewarded with horrible performance, the guy who will soon be the biggest problem on the Dodgers.
Fixed that for ya.
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the guy who will soon be the biggest problem on the Dodgers.
Impossible as long as a McCourt is still involved. Yes, Jamie counts as a dude.
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.
Yeah I call hyperbole on that last point at least
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I used to be totally against Dunn, but I am now thoroughly in his camp. Sign Dunn and then do a cheap platoon of XPaul and Austin Kearns in LF.
And non-tender Theriot, per the last thread?
Furcal
Carroll
Dunn
Ethier
Kemp
Blake
Paul/Kearns
Barajas/Ellis
???
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom third of that lineup is a black hole, but the rest of it looks pretty good, especially if Kemp can bounce back. They will score runs in the months that Ethier hits.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
You want to bring the old Reds band back together?
Not that I can complain, I really liked the hitting on those teams.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I remember Dunn was pissed when Kearns was traded to Washington.
Let’s go all-in and see what Sean Casey is up to these days :)
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Still looking for public enemy number one.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha Ha
I wonder how many will get that one
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Oh, quite a few, I would guess.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I want to resurrect the idea
of an XPaul and Xavier Nady “Musketeers” platoon.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
David is in the house
boy does he have some reading to do
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
The first thing I did after opening these 519, at the time, comments
was search for the word “Donkey”. Disappointed not to find it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Nice job Mike
Contract wise he might be the best fit since not only does he probably come much cheaper then the others but he also takes over the 4.5 headed to Loney.
I wonder if we could do something like this. Sign Dunn to play LF, give Loney one more year at 1st base. I don’t really care about my LF’d defense as much as I do about my 1st baseman’s. So even if Dunn is okay at first I think he actually would hurt the team more defensively by being our 1st baseman then our LF.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
LF is LF
I watched Manny for two years, I can easily stomach Dunn.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
this
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think you are overvaluing either 1B defense or Loney's defense, or both
So even if Dunn is okay at first I think he actually would hurt the team more defensively by being our 1st baseman then our LF.
The one year Dunn was put at 1B and left alone, is UZR/150 was -3.3, while Loney was at +1.5. That’s ~5 runs over a full season, or about half a win.
Meanwhile, Dunn is -11.2 UZR/150 in his career in LF and has been double digit runs below average in each of the last 5 years. That’s much worse.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I'm pretty much disregarding UZR
and basing in my own opinion that left field defense is not as important as 1st base.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I disagree entirely with you
The difference between best and worst defenders at 1B is miniscule compared to the best and worst in LF.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, we disagree on this
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Mostly because more misplays and/or errors in LF lead to extra bases than misplays/errors at 1B.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
How many throws that get away from a 1st baseman
do not end up with a runner at 2nd? How many balls down the line do not end up with a runner on 2nd? How many balls a pitcher throws over to 1st that is not handled ends up with a runner at 2nd? Those seem like extra bases to me.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Sounds like an interesting study
My gut says the vast majority of 1B errors result in an out becoming a baserunner at first, but I could be wrong. Of course this should also be about range, not just errors – does a bad 1B allow more ground singles into RF? a bad LF allow more balls to drop that should have been outs?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Misplays at 1B mostly turn outs into baserunners reaching
What’s worse, turning a single into a double, or losing what should have been an out? Isn’t that akin to a slugging pct vs. OBP question?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
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Veronica Corningstone: No, there’s no way that’s correct.
Ron Burgundy: I’m sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don’t know what it means. I’ll be honest, I don’t think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.
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I know I will be advocating for Carl Crawford on Thursday, but IMO Dunn is the most logical of the four targets:
Crawford & Werth will likely command 4-6 year deals at exorbitant salaries, and I think Beltre will be expensive as well (4/$52m or something similar; just guessing).
Dunn has enough visible warts that he can be had for the most reasonable deal (I’ll stick with 3/$36m). Plus I still think Loney can be dealt for a #4-5 starter, which could be more cost effective than going the FA route.
I am with Eric on this one. I want Werth, but don’t see that as likely. My next choice would be Dunn.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Lance McCullers Jr.
This S.O.B. already touches 98 w/nasty slider. He is 16.
http://baseballfactory.com/video/1265/UA-All-America-Game-2010-Lance-McCullers-Jr-12
Beltre remains my top choice
but Dunn is #2 on my list due to the reasonable deal it would require to land him.
I want!
Can has?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions
Great write up, Michael.
I would have no problem with Dunn in either LF or 1B. He is horrible on defense. In LF we currently have Jay Gibbons. Scotty Pods is also on the radar. Neither of them can be confused with a decent defensive LFer.
So I’ll take Dunn and his 35+ bombs per year and shitty defense.
I’d rather have Beltre, but a little Dunn would do.
Instead
of Beltre we sign Geoff Blum
of Dunn we sign Cantu
of Werth we sign Kearns
of Crawford we sign Damon
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Furcal
Cantu
Ethier
Kemp
Damon
Kearns
Barajas
Blum
Does that lineup score 600 runs?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, I forgot Casey Blake. He’s gotta get in the lineup somewhere.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Right
LHP
Furcal
Carroll
Kemp
Blake
Ethier
Kearns
Cantu
Martin
RHP
Furcal
Damon
Ethier
Kemp
Loney
Martin
Blum
Carroll
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Still doesn't look good
didn’t mean to say those were good options, just options I would not be surprised to see happen.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
You can't do it that way
Cantu would only play against LHP and Blum would only play against LHP, plus you have Kearns/Damon in at the same time.
Sure it would be awful but it is much more likely then any of Beltre/Dunn/Werth/Crawford. Now go drink some Gin.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He's cheaper because he sucks
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He's always been good, never great
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/damonjo01.shtml
Podboy has always been Podboy
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/podsesc01.shtml
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Every year I seem to forget that Blum is still playing.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
31 other fanbases are saying the same thing about the Dodgers
signing lee right now
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Well, they’d be ignorant b/c at least the Dodgers have a farm system. Astros are horrible in every area.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
no not really, OOPS.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
The NL Central is a winnable division
With Lee, you would have Rodriquez, Happ and Myers which is a great place to start in terms of starting pitching. You can fill a few holes offensively and compete.
And Houston is much closer to Arkansas than New York or California.
And with Bud Norris
that is very good staff, it doesn’t have Wainwright and Carpenter but with Lee, it could easily compete in that division
Ace 1a and Ace 1b
didn’t do them all much good. (not trolling you BH, just saying)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Do they suck? I would say no
or did you mean Houston, if so maybe you need to meet their 3rd baseman.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
My original comment
was whether or not I think Houston signing Lee would be a wasted signing for them, I don’t think it would be. The Cardinal comment was just a throwaway.
Im talking about STL
Shumaker, Lopez, and Ryan are trash.
They don’t suck. They just didn’t make it in this year.
CHris Johnson is bad ass. I know who there 3b is
All that is true
but you ended saying that is why the Cardinals Suck and if that is sucking then bring it to the Ravine.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Well they managed to get three Yankees on there without one of them being Brett Gardner, that’s pretty impressive.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Does Jeter get extra votes
because of Minka Kelly.
Now, I don’t see him play that much but if he is as bad as all that why does he keep getting Gold Gloves.
because
he’s Derek Jeter.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
The question is not, “Is there a better defensive shortstop in the AL than Jeter?”.
The question is, “Are there 15 better defensive shortstops in the AL than Jeter?”.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Because Gold Gloves are voted on by a bunch of guys sitting around a table and going “who should win for shortstop” “I dunno…Jeter?” “Sure”.
Also because recently all AL shortstops are terrible.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hitting and defense
I just assumed because they no longer hit they are at least playing some defense. Isn’t Scutaro a defensive 1st SS? Andrus is certainly a wonder at SS compared to Jeter.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I really doubt the people involved even look that far.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. I mean if your a coach and voting on this, would you spend hours thinking of the right candidate, or just write down the first 9 names you can think of and then go fishing.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm' sure fielding % is the bingo here. Just as wins will get you Cy Young votes.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Not if you should have gotten to 650 balls (just throwing out a number)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
But there is something to be said
for making every play you can get your glove on.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Last night
I saw a highlight of Brooks Robinson taking a double away from Lee May in the 1970 World Series, now that was some great fielding.
Watching Robinson in 1970 in that series
was like watching Nettles against us in 77. Or was it 78 he broke our hearts.
Thing about the World Series that I remember. Sometimes the great players really did shine. Brooks was brilliant and really showed why he was one of the greatest defensive 3rd baseman ever. Roberto Clemente really did shine and show us why he was one of the greatest fielding RF ever. Willie Stargell
I’d much rather see the star shine then the star dim.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Sure, there’s something to be said for that, but that something is not, “Here is an award honoring you as the best defender in the league.”
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Generally, you don’t get an error on a ball you don’t get to.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
2/3 of the Mariner outfield got Gold Gloves
Probably the best thing that’s happened to them all year.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Well they built their team
on the idea of defense but forgot they had to score runs, so maybe the idea of building a preventive outfield is not as helpful as the sabremetricians would lead us to believe.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I could go on a lot further, but I’m thinking now that building a team around defense is like building a team around batting average. There’s guys you can get that will certainly help your cause, but defensive numbers change so much that you need a lot of lucky breaks for it to really go right.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
For one thing
you need a pitching staff that makes it work.
The Cardinals should go for defense since Duncan preaches putting balls in play (whatever that means). However, you can’t convince me that you would rather have guys who can occasionally make batters miss the ball is not a good thing.
defense is exactly like batting average..
One is trying to prevent hits, the other is trying to get hits…but all in all…it comes down to luck and fluctuates way too much.
I’ve never been on the defensive statistic bandwagon for this exact reason.
Give me pitcher that dont walk people or give up dingers, in addition to striking guys out…and some hitters that can generate runs…and I’ll figure out defense later.
I can't believe we once traded Gutierrez for Milton Bradley
At least it got us Ethier end the end though.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Once upon a time Milton Bradley could flat out rake.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
As recently as a couple years ago in Texas
But he has so many emotional issues that he could be a perennial MVP and I still wouldn’t want him. That water bottle tossing incident in 2004 was disgraceful.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ha Ha
you could point to about 20 different things that would make sense but the bottle throwing is not one of them. Do you even know what happened?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Yes
But that still doesn’t excuse him throwing that bottle in the stands. He was suspended for the rest of the regular season because of it.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not the only one who didn't hate on him
completely for that? Sure it was stupid, but I know I wouldn’t react well to having shit thrown at me.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Okay maybe my memory is the one that is fucked up
but what I remember is that he slammed the water bottle down and it bounced up and hit someone which is a far different thing then taking a water bottle and throwing it into the stands. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Thats what I remember
someone throw it at him, he picked it up, walked over, and slammed it onto the ground in the first row.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I didn’t even think it bounced up and hit somebody. He threw it into the ground. That’s what i remember.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
You might be right
But he still needed to control himself there. Losing your cool like that can have unexpected repercussions even if you don’t mean to do anything bad.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Okay but what was disgracefull
was the fan who threw the water bottle at an unprotected outfielder not Milton. Milton did plenty of things to warrant your scorn, just don’t think that particular incident was one of them but I’m not the scorn police, though I did stay at a Holiday Inn.
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Fair enough
I just never liked that incident.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha
is that why they threw a bottle at him? Was that you? He sucked as a right fielder but I guess Finley would have sucked more. In retro Werth should have been put in RF but who knew he was Roberto Clemente.
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Gold Gloves are such a crapshoot
So many times they go to a player who had a great offensive year, when he wasn’t necessarily the best defender.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Kemp says hi
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BREAKING: Gold Gloves were declared officially as useles as a Grammy today
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Andrus deserved it
But I guess it really doesnt matter
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
It would only matter if the Rangers had won the World Series
but since they horse shitted they deserve any bad news they get this winter.
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I would be happy with Dunn
God knows we need the offense. But I just don’t foresee any more big moves. I think Lilly was it.
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Also, because just about every team is profitable, regardless of cries of poverty.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Prediction
Dodgers sign Paul Konerko to 3 year/42M contract.
Dodgers trade James Loney to Washington Nationals for Tyler Clippard.
I’m not holding my breath and you shouldn’t either.
He did have a good offensive year, which seems to matter more to GG voters. Also, he did start in CF in the All-Star Game :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford Gutierrez Ichiro
A LF, a CF and a RF.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Over the previous five years
only two non-CF were awarded an NL OF gold glove: Francoeur and Bobby Abreu. Of course, in the NL they are hiding a lot more bad OFs in the corners than in the AL, where they can be hidden at DH.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He even caught a ball with a clean play!
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
27%
I could easily see it happens the year he wins the triple crown
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I've wondered all season
what might have been if Either hadn’t broken his pinky and derailed his season. He wouldn’t have won the Triple Crown (or hit .390), but I think he would have ended up with some very big numbers regardless.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
You weren't here for our Triple Crown Watch
we basically blame Eric for the broken pinkie. Those who believe in jinxes anyway. I heard MR. F was banging on wood so hard that day, that he hasn’t had to masturbate for six months.
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LOL
I think Ethier comes back strong next year. Provided he doesn’t break his damn finger again.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
And I still contend that Ethier could not only have not broken his pinky but had it replaced with a bionic pinkie, the best pinkie science can produce, and Ethier would have ended up roughly where he did — maybe a little higher. He is a mid-800s OPS player. I bet he can make 900 OPS in a peak year.
Now with 33% more Kavula
I so disagree
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Speaking of the Gold Gloves, AL's are out.
C: Joe Mauer (3rd award)
1B: Mark Teixeira (4th)
2B: Robinson Cano (1st)
3B: Evan Longoria (2nd)
SS: Derek Jeter (5th)
OF: Carl Crawford (1st)
OF: Franklin Gutierrez (1st)
OF: Ichiro Suzuki (10th)
Huh, they actually went for a LF this time. Ichiro always wins a GG despite being a RF for most years.
That must have been some ITT commercial
you missed Eric putting this in and the entire thread talking about this right above this comment
Can't believe Jeter won again:)
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Nothing will make me happy today
I am in full blown Captain Crankypants mode. I really got to get some work done but you people make time fly.
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I know
figures right, gets hurt while he’s doing some of the greatest work he’s ever done.
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I wasn’t around Saturday, but I saw the hightlight of the last play of regulation against Utah. Just insane. Basically VDN just draws up a play where Gordon goes 1 on 5. Kaman put in a screen, otherwise Gordon just went right to the rim and dunked it on Utah. Just awesome.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I turned off the game
with a minute to go, it was over as far as I was concerned. Then I read Steve’s recap of what happened, mega pissed we watched a terrible movie instead of the end, but then the actual end would have ruined the night anyway so maybe it was better that I didn’t even know they came back. It would be like the back to back to back to back and then losing. Not quite, not much at stake but still.
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Dude.
I am mega pissy today as well.
1 week without tobacco is catching up with me.
After reading for the better part of 30 minutes, I concede that Jeter is shit.
But there is something to be said for catching what is hit at you.
I’m not advanced enough as a fan to understand different fielding stats. But I am trying.
I thought I said this
But there is something to be said for catching what is hit at you.
you owe me something since you didn’t quote me. It took alot for me to come up with that.
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FYI
Per Bill James Online, here are the 2010 MLB leaders in plus/minus at SS (it doesn’t break out by league):
Brendan Ryan +31
Yunel Escobar +22
Alexei Ramirez +20
Troy Tulowitzki +16
Alex Gonzalez +15
Clint Barmes +14
Ramon Santiago +11
Cliff Pennington +10
Jack Wilson +10
Reid Brignac +9
Jeter was 13, meaning he made 13 plays less than the average SS. He ranked 32nd among MLB SS in +/.
Jeter was +5 last season (14th among MLB SS), but has otherwise been negative, ranked 31st-34th from 2005-2008
Interesting
I thought Cardinal fans were complaining that Ryan was not as good this year as last year. I remember watching him in 2009 just torch us with his defense.
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It could happen
but he still looks like a dancer who kept the weight off so he could be lifted by the girl.
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He has to cut down on his errors first
But I already like him based on his comments after that so called “World Series”.
I hope he turns out to be a hell of a ballplayer.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
The classic Gold Glove gaffe
was when Rafael Palmeiro B-12’d his way to a GG at 1B in 1999 despite only playing 28 games at 1B, but what about this one…
In 1975, the AL GG outfielders were Fred Lynn (CF), Paul Blair (CF), and Joe Rudi.
The only problem was, Rudi played in 44 games in LF that year, starting 36. He played 91 games at 1B, starting 86. Rudi had also won in 1974, when he was a full-time LF. I bet this was one of those “who did I vote for last year? OK, him again” times.
I remember the Palmeiro one
but had forgotten the Rudi one. Of all the awards baseball does that we are skeptical about the GG is the one where they really earned our skepticism .
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Barry Bonds simply wasn't deserving
Sure he had a good year, but Beltre was better. Without him, the Dodgers probably don’t win the division that year. He carried the team while Green was slipping further and further into decline.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
if the Dodgers had Bonds instead of Beltre, they would have clinched the division before the final weekend.
I still think Beltre should have won.
That’s how I saw the vote that year, and that’s still how I see it.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
So, the reason you would vote for Beltre over Bonds was because you think Beltre should have won. Got it.
I just think Beltre was more valuable to the Dodgers that year than Bonds was to the Giants.
That’s all.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
really
let them mock us.
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I simply think any MVP has to come from a team that actually won something
even if they hit 83 home runs. Just my number one criteria.
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Oh, please, is there a more boring argument than that over the definition of the word “valuable” in the phrase “most valuable player?”
Either you go by the definition that the BBWAA goes by, or you don’t, and there’s no arguing with either side.
Now with 33% more Kavula
Historical precedent trumps
definition. It is why they created the Henry Aaron award so they would not have these ambiguities. MVP is not the same as best player, and I’ve always thought that since the day I could walk.
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That is where we disagree
and there is no bridge that can bring us together, even if it was built by 1988 Kirk Gibson great but not the best player in the league seasons.
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Yeah I knew that was coming
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I've used it myself
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I'm ok with saying it should be the most valuable player to their team
but I don’t see how that limits it to only playoff teams.
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Yes
and historically it pretty much goes that way, so my point to Humma was that no matter the definition, writers usually only look at playoff players when handing out the hardware. Only the Cubs seem to get away with it on a regular basis Banks/Dawson.
Now I’m probably wrong because I’m not doing any research, this is just coming from memory but I think it is rare for a MVP to come from a team who did not make the playoffs since they went to the divisional format.
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Recent example I can think of is ARod on the Rangers which I think happened just before Bonds.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
NL MVPs 1995-2009
1997 (Walker)
2001 (Bonds)
2004 (Bonds)
2006 (Howard)
2008 (Pujols)
5 out of 15 MVPs didn’t make playoffs
Since 1969, the NL
14 out of 40 (took out 1994) and I forget if I counted Hernandez in his split year with Stargell in 1979.
Not my fault
Bonds could never hit enough to get his team into the playoffs:)
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So I should change my stance
okay
Barry Bonds deserved the 2004 MVP award
Happy
You made me cry to write that.
Bastard
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Heh
you have no idea how large my tear ducts are.
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Who remembers the Henry Aaron Award?
MLB also gives out the Roberto Clemente Award, too, but nobody gives a shit about that either.
I blame the PR guy who works on the Henry Aaron award
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The Giants finished second
and certainly they don’t get there without Bonds.
Bonds had perhaps (without looking) one of the top 20 seasons in NL history.
Beltre finished second which isn’t bad at all.
I see no argument for why Bonds didn't get all the first place votes
the fact that Beltre got 6 is amazing by itself.
BTW
The OPS+ of 263 is second best in MLB history. First best was Barry two years earlier at 268.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Beltre’s 2004 season is tied for 490th all time (with quite a few other people.)
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Only if you felt
Beltre was playing on a level field which I don’t think he was.
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Probably illogical
but I don’t want Dunn. I’d rather have Loney get one more shot than spend big bucks on Dunn. I’ve just never really liked him.
That's how I felt last year
but was assuming Loney would improve this year which he didn’t, alas. As said here before I still like and root for Loney but he’s just not providing the offense you need from a 1B. As for Dunn, I don’t like the idea of him being in LF so they really would have to get rid of Loney for Dunn to make sense. I do like his pop but continue to wonder how much longer he’ll be as good as he has been. But then again, how much longer will Loney’s offense be as bad as it has been?
Anyway, I’d still rather keep Loney one more year and find a superior LF type but they are few and far between…
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The two best options
are way out of our price range. Crawford and Werth will definitely not be wearing blue next year. Especially since Werth is a Boras client.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted Dunn in 2005
or whenever we did that DT scouting trip. But since he spurned me, he’s dead to me now. Keep Loney.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
damn straight
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Great Scott has two tickets to the Nutcracker in SF at Christmas
Just saying……………
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You guys just love to play matchmaker don't you :P
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Can the Carp offer more money than the Dodgers?
HIROSHIMA (Kyodo) — The Hiroshima Carp have decided to pursue their former right-hander Hiroki Kuroda, who has become a free agent from the Los Angeles Dodgers.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/sports/news/20101109p2g00m0sp032000c.html
Better the Carp then the Rockies
but if we don’t sign Kuroda we might as well punt the decade
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hard to typo decade
not as hard to understand sarcasm.
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the yen might be worth more than the $ even after a one-year deal
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Hard to tell for sure
But I think if these figures are right, the Carp’s highest paid player in 2010 made about $2 million dollars.
ha ha
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Alaska!!
or, if a great South American deal comes up, I may go to warmer weather. It is currently 19 F degrees in Fairbanks, Ak with light snow. By 11p it’ll be about 9 F degrees
Are you cruising
that is a nice way to see that part of the World.
Don’t forget to check for last minute cruise deals, especially if you have a flexible schedule.
no cruises to AK in the winter
everything is shut down, for the most part. No glacier bay, nothing. It’ll be me going to the Arctic Circle to see the Northern Lights, Dog sledding, ice fishing…and risking possible blizzards.. But i believe the Northern Lights are worth it!
possible cruise to Southern Hemisphere though.
My hat is off to you
that is a bold choice, I hope you see your lights and they are all you dream them to be. Also an Orca or two, though hopefully not while you are ice fishing.
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She hopes the Northern Lights seers her brain
and removes all memories of Giants fans setting fires in the City
You should just get some Northern Lights from Lincecum and call it a day. You’ll see the same things.
Can't wait for Werth tomorrow
or to tell everyone why Kyle Russell is a better prospect then DeJesus
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2 cents
I prefer Beltre cos I think he’d sign only a 4 year deal and he plays elite D at an impact position, one with a dearth of talent. I don’t know his feelings about LA (I was overseas in 04 and missed his great year and the departure) but I would love to have him back.
Dunn is a meh for me, it would be nice to have his power, but we have absolutely nobody at 3B in the system. LF and 1B are much easier to find. This is why Werth and his elite D/Dodger ties would be a close 2nd, but if Boras wants to ask 7/120 already that’s insane. He’ll prob get 5/80 at the minimum, and that would shock me if the Dodgers even wanna go that far.
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Does it concern anyone that Beltre specifically
included the Dodgers on his no-trade list when given the opportunity. Now, money trumps all but I can’t see the Dodgers going after Beltre for the price and years he wants.
Different management?
Hates the size of the clubhouse, but I can’t imagine Fenway is any better.
Do we know what he’s asking, if so who is going to pay it? If I was him I’d sign with the White Sox.
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last year or with seattle?
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I'd rec this except you hacked it
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I would trade for Pablo Sandoval
just because if it works out it would be the greatest fuck you, you could deliver to the World Champions, and if it doesn’t you still can make lots of Pablo jokes. Kevin Goldstein was giving him the business today in the Baseball PRospectus prospect chat.
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Plus just from the sales of Panda hats alone
the McCourt debt could be tackled very quickly! Well, not really. But marketing dept misses Manny so there ya go!
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Maybe we can dub the seats on the third base line "Pandawood"
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.annarbor.com/news/andrew-shirvell-fired-from-job-at-attorney-generals-office/
Andrew Shirvell, is now the former AG from Michigan. The freaking loon.
No, it was amazing the guy
held an office like that. Loon is not doing him justice.
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Its a win for humanity?
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According to Bleacher Report, here are 5 “unexpected” additions the Dodgers could make:
5. Freddy Garcia
4. Cristian Guzman
3. Rick Ankiel
2. Joe Beimel
1. Eric Chavez
Beimel is the only one that really interests me.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
No, I mean provide the links when you quote something, but in general it would be nice if we didn’t get links to bullshit.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Silverwidow is one of the only guys on this board who actually reads Sarah.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't Sarah Morris the one who occasionally writes for the Dodgers' website?
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
You lost me at
“According to Bleacher Report”…
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http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/columns/story?id=5784770
Tony Jackson writes a column which says nothing.
He does weigh in on Adam Dunn
which makes it on-topic for this thread.
Dunn won’t be cheap. He is coming off a two-year, $20 million deal with the Washington Nationals that paid him $12 million this year. Moreover, one scout said recently that Dunn prefers a small-market club like the Cincinnati Reds, who originally drafted him, signed him and brought him to the majors, and that Dunn was never happy in Washington. But there is one big difference: the Nationals were never really a threat to make the playoffs during Dunn’s two seasons in Washington. Adding Dunn to the middle of the lineup could make the Dodgers a playoff threat again. Dunn, who hasn’t been to the playoffs in 10 big league seasons, might find that intriguing.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Wait a second. I thought Dunn hated to play baseball, so why would he want to be in the playoffs?
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
T.J. Simers advocates for new Downtown stadium. Michael White was unable to give a statement.
The Coliseum, Rose Bowl and Dodger Stadium are dumps.
Staples Center, which replaced the North Hall of the Convention Center 11 years ago, has been a tremendous success.
Even the Clippers draw big crowds.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-20101109,0,3618179,full.column
We need to hire a PR guy for the website who can handle all of our press requests.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
defer that shit
Kim Ng can work it out to avoid conflict of interest
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Dodger Stadium is a dump?
Then why is it still widely considered one of the best parks in baseball? Besides, just because every other team has a shiny new stadium doesn’t mean the Dodgers need one too.
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by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Right. I knew you were in this camp with me.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I can see them wanting to do a 50th anniversary
or some BS like that, but I’ve had my fill of DS. It was a great stadium and I have many fond memories. But enough is enough. I’d actually be happy if the built a bandbox and changed the whole dynamic of playing in LA.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I don't consider Dodger Stadium
a dump but I would like a Downtown Stadium. So shockingly I am in the Michael White, Marty Leadman, and TJ Simers camp. I would actually prefer them building it next to the Warner Center or in North Hollywood Soho , but I’ll take downtown.
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There used to be a spot in Burbank that was considered for a football stadium. I believe it is now a shopping center with Best Buy amongst other things.
Near the train station.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Why is it considered one of the best parks in baseball?
Is it considered one of the best parks? And by who?
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I've never been to DS
so I can’t personally make any arguments regarding the facility, but I’ve read many articles over the years at various places on the internet and they always rank DS at the top or near the top.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I sat in every level this year. Its still beautiful. I can see that LA needs a new stadium. Hey those fuckers to north and south got new ones.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
I wish people would fight battles that could be won
as opposed to ones that have no shot of happening.
I believe the can make some modifications, but it is not going to be torn down and rebuilt
The article is about an NFL stadium in Downtown (as opposed to Industry.)
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I actually think Simers is wrong on football
Football stadiums are enormous and don’t need to be shoved in to a downtown area. There’s only 8 home games a year and tailgate culture already accounts for people driving to the games. Putting a stadium in the suburbs works fine.
Baseball stadiums in urban areas like SD and SF make much more sense.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention the sheer number of people going to football games would shut down the entire area around the stadium
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I don’t think that would even come into the thinking. Regardless of where a stadium is, there will be heavy traffic on game days. I don’t think a stadium next to Staples wouldn’t make things much worse than they are right now when thee’s something at Staples and the Kodak.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I wish people would fight battles that could be won
Yeah, let’s go back to talking about all the reasons why Adam Dunn should be playing first base.
Now with 33% more Kavula
I understand that sentiment
and some times I feel the same way but if we only talked about battles that could be won, what would the windmills do?
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Finally make it to the $1 theatre?
I’ve yet to see it.
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With the biggest movies that happens
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
TS3 was worth my 10 bucks
so it should be worth your 1 at least ;)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It was certainly worth 7.50
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
???
Some of my comment got lost there.. eh. I don’t think the Dodgers need a new stadium but I know that location is not what it once was.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
And the parks north and south (by south I assume you mean SD not Anaheim) are awesome.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been to Dodger Stadium, Chase Field, AT&T Park, and Citi Field so far this year. And there’s something about DS, that gets me really excited. I’m a modern baseball fan in that I don’t know what its like to watch it as a kid or back in the day. But i imagine it feels like being at DS bc i get a very nostaglic feeling whenever i’m there.
I get the complaints
It is a pain to get in and out of, the concourses get crowded and packed, there is a lack of any advances in the stadium for the last 25 years.
Which is why most everyone would not want to see it torn down
it would shred their memories. I can understand that, they will not be able to replicate any of the father/son/daughter memories with their own kids. Only childless bastards would condone such a plan.
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I’m actually surprised you are anti-bulldozer.
It seems from the comments and just discussing this stuff is that the more frequently you go, the less you are charmed with Dodgers stadium and you’d start focusing on convenience. After a while, you go to Dodgers Stadium because you want to watch the Dodgers play… it’s not an event. That’s why the writers like Simersare the most bearish (heck they aren’t even fans though) and those who don’t live in LA are the most interested in keeping it. That’s the observation I’m getting anyway.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
This is certainly my case, since I have almost always lived at least 90 minutes away. Whether I am traveling to Chavez Ravine or downtown, it’s a long drive for me anyway.
I could see the argument for a new stadium in terms of providing new revenue streams, and if it was downtown and somewhere near and more accessible via public transportation I could get behind it.
As much as I like the idea
the revenue stream would be much more expensive tickets just like the Lakers did when they moved from the Forum to Staples. So for those who would like a new stadium, know you will pay through the ass for it.
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I’ve lived in LA almost all my life, have had season tickets since I was a kid, and I’ve visited probably 20 ballparks. I love Dodger Stadium and think tearing it down would be very short-sighted. I love the design and am willing to put up with some of the inconveniences (many of which are just functions of stadia in general) to preserve it.
To me, it’s a treasure. I realize not everyone feels that way, after all having bad taste is quite common ;)
i can see why you say that.
The only way a new stadium becomes convenient to me if it was dropped in either Long Beach or San Pedro. That is not happening. I love the Stadium, hate the in game experience that the Dodgers provide aside from the game itself. Don’t like the fans, hate the food. I do not mind the parking/traffic because I have figured that out probably as well as anybody could. the ticket prices are reasonable. If new ticket prices mirrored prices in SD or SF, I could not afford to go as much.
The ticket price argument
that you and Phil note defiinitely makes sense.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ha Ha
Don’t like the fans
Best reason to be a Clipper fan, cool fans. Best in town.
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Do Dodger fans suck? I’ve only been to one game in DS and I wasn’t concerned with the other idiots sitting around me.
and the game
some games are great, some are not.
I would not say Dodger fans suck, I would say among the millions of Dodger fans a % of them could be culled from the herd without the gene pool taking a hit.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 9, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I really really hated sitting in
the Left Field Loge box when we clinched against the cubs. Game was great, but so many obnoxious assholes.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
True,
given how many false statement I’ve made today I was just searching for one that could not be Eric Stephened.
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what advances do you speak of?
this is a serious question. the only parks ive been to are DS, Fenway, and Dolphin/Landshark/ProPlayer/whatever. I have never been to DS and felt like I was missing out on some sort of advancement.
I agree the in and out sucks, I would love simple, cheap public transportation but then again, this is LA and McCourt is parking lots.
Maybe you’re excited at Dodger Stadium… because you’re a Dodger fan?
I’m sure you’d be excited at new Dodgers Stadium.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Did you Dad ever take you to Dodger Stadium?
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Of course.
I have great memories of going to Dodger games with my grandfather who has since passed….
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
No disrepect just curious
I think for many the tie that binds us to Dodger Stadium is that kind of memory.
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My dad took me
I’m sure his dad took him to Forbes Field. But doesn’t mean they should have kept that stadium.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Everyone should take note of the TBLA logo. That would be awesome.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 9, 2010 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Other than to describe visits to the Vin Scully Press Box restroom, “dump” and “Dodger Stadium” should never be used in the same sentence.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
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"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Bob Timmermann
saw that column last night and immediately took it on.
(And what would you do with the existing Dodger Stadium? I’ve got an idea. Tear it down and build public housing! Oh wait…. )
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Ha Ha
I would have to root for him if that happens.
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Collins
is already working for the Mets, in a capacity not dissimilar to the one he had with the Dodgers when Depodesta was here.
I saw a tweet from an ESPN NY writer re Depodesta’s confidentiality clause re his time with the Dodgers, I wonder why people raise this issue up now and again.
Because I'd like to hear his side
and hope he does give some insight when his confidentially clause runs out.
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I mean really one
moment they are looking for a manager and we are wondering why Orel is talking with Tommy without Depo and then boom Depo is gone after one bad year that could totally have been explained away by two freak broken wrists and the fact the minor league was still one year away from helping.
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Boring
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I am just saying
that really is all it could be. Now, he may have things to say about the chaos behind the scenes or what he knows about the inner workings of their finances.
If they hire Collins… I’m not saying that strikes me as Ahab-and-the-white-whale behavoir, but it is one hell of a coinky dink.
Now with 33% more Kavula
He could also trade for Penny
Everyone else involved in “the trade” is out of baseball, right?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
They need a first baseman
actually they don’t but dammit that would be awesome
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Can't believe you went there
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Like a true Baby Brother
who leaves his older brothers out in the cold to take the rap.
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I wonder if they
are the eventual frontrunners for Dunn or Werth cos of DePo
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Question, were the Dodgers ever as rich as they were usually are protrayed as?
People expect a large payroll, going after the best free agents and basically being the Yankees of the West. Was that always overblown?
This is not Dodgers.com
so when you say
People expect a large payroll, going after the best free agents and basically being the Yankees of the Westthis I do not know these people other the ignorant Dodger fans or writers who would sell more papers if the Dodgers spent more money.
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Do you mean the current owners of the team
or just because they are in Los Angeles, they should be able to spend a lot of money?
And are we only talking about the Dodgers and not any other sports franchises in Los Angeles?
Are you replying to me or Tripon
because I don’t understand if you are replying to me
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One of my fondest memories as a Dodger fan. Brown was coming off that killer postseason and I was pumped.
I remember debating it in my sophomore year speech class!
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Tomorrow is the Untied States Marine Corps 235th birthday.
I will post one of my favorite slogans for a bumper sticker….
If you can read, thank a teacher.
If you can read in English, thank a Marine!
:)
The A group always gave me trouble
I always thought Arizona should get AR and ArKansas should get AK and since Alaska came last they would get AS and pronounce it like ASS.
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I always know this is meant
in the best possible light. But having dealt with a lot of immigrant communities in my work and volunteer life, I never know what to make of it.
You did not succeed in your goal
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heh
I interpret it as “your welcome that you are not speaking nazi german”
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I had a teacher once tell me that the colonists voted on which would be the de facto language of the colonies and German was barely edged out by English.
Of course, since Phil crushed my memory of Babe Ruth tipping his pitches, I am now skeptical that this was actually true.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Makes sense
since NY was a Dutch colony ruled by the one legged man.
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Eric crushes mis guided opinions
Phil crushes mis guided memories
David crushes mis guided programming interns
Michael crushes mis guided fools in love
WE ARE TBLA
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David needs a thing
he really is the only nice guy among us.
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Don't call me Stat Boy
Summary of DePodesta’s conference call re his new job
What’s the message that DePodesta wants to send to the statistically-inclined portion of the fan base, one that has reacted overwhelmingly favorably to the news of each of these hirings?
"We’re still going to be wrong, probably often, but hopefully we’re disciplined enough in our processes to be more right than we are wrong," he said. "The guiding principle is uncertainty. We want to try to understand and corral that uncertainty as best we can to help us narrow our choices to guide our intuition to the best choice possible. Hopefully we’re right more often that we’re wrong and hopefully we’re right when it counts."
Talk about Geek talk
Plashke would be all over this.
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I think Yes is a safe answer when confronted with questions such as these
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I would only quote commercials
if you are watching a game that everyone is watching at the same time. Otherwise the Lebron references will get lost.
Exactly
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As many times as I've seen the commercial
I’ve never listened to it. Mute and fast forward as soon as his mug shows up.
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some of us work
ha ha haa ha haaaa ha haaaa haaa haa haa ha ha
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Seriously
I’m going to have to work so late tonight to make up for the fun of the thread. And we have stayed on baseball topic for most of the day.
I’m guessing Maddz or Josie did not join us today?
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If you could get a job in China, you should go
and come back all Colby Lewis.
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Good compelling argument Mike. And this on Dunn’s31st birthday.
That’s actually my big problem w/him: he has a shitty body type for a 3 year contract. I see him playing <100 games in year 3. And if we put him in LF for a couple of years it will be worse.
You think you can just show up
once in a Dodger blue moon and post an opinion that anyone cares about.? The commenteriat work this blog day and night, some Kelly come lately is not going to just bust in, state an opinion and shut down the blog because everyone is in fucking shock.
On another note, good to see you haven’t passed on. Eric has only been talking about one brother lately so I was worried about what was in the wood chipper.
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Most games played, 2004-2010
1) Ichiro 1,115
2) Dunn 1,108
3) M.Cabrera 1,103
4) Abreu 1,097
5) Tejada 1,091
6) Young 1,084
7t) Jeter 1,083
7t) Pujols 1,083
9t) Pierre 1,072
9t) Teixeira 1,072
Crushing the mis guided opinions
of family and friends for 35 years.
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All that tells me is that he's due to be hurt.
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Phil was talking about a “Young Buck” out in SF playing CF in 1938.
“That DiMaggio is no Cobb. He doesn’t impress me. I’ll believe it when I see it.”
:)
Phil on the Yankees newest purchase in 1919
“They actually paid money for that fat bastard? I give this Ruth guy 3 years at best.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
You guys are doing a piss poor job of following Eric's clever lead
if you can’t do it, then don’t muddy up his brilliance.
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sorry
(slinks away)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yep…thanks for making a point that has nothing to do with what I said. I did not say “he hasn’t played many games the past 7 seasons”, unless I’m missing something.
I swear he has been doing that all day
just going all Uncle Google on everyone just because he can. It just occurred to me that power corrupts, did you know that?
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Eric Stephen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMt6saTqq4
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.
It seems you are making too big an assumption though.
He has played in 98% of his team’s games for 7 years. A lot would have to happen for him to go from second most dependable player in the league to <100 games, especially in his ages 31-33 years.
He's no Manny waiting to happen
but Reg does keep telling us that his kind of skills drop off quick. He might have been using Frank Howard as the comp which is nasty good. Or Harmon Killebrew, not as good but he sucked after 34.
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Dunn’s top comps coming into this year, encouraging edition: Jim Thome, Carlos Delgado, Gil Hodges, Fred McGriff
Discouraging: Cecil Fielder, Boog Powell, Mike Epstein, Troy Glaus, Mo Vaughn
Toss up: David Ortiz
Check out Frank Howard
he’s the only guy same size, same K rate, same home run power, same bad fielder, career ended quickly.
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Old story that Vin tells about Howard
is that when he came up he had a cannon for an arm, but that everytime he struck out he would go back to the bench and quietly slam his elbows in the concrete behind while sitting on the bench and that eventually it ruined his arm. I have no idea if that is true but I love the story of the huge behemoth quietly taking out his anger on concrete.
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might have
had something to do with said career ending early
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
More along to the lines of to much weight on bad knees
which is why I think the big big guys go fast.
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About that Nishioka cat
do you think the Dodgers will not put in a bid out of fear they win?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
This isn't a waiver claim
you don’t bid unless you want to win a player (the bids are only known to the Japanese club)
i don't believe you understood my question
granted it didn’t make any sense.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I understood it
I don’t see why you would put a blind bid (just to talk to him) unless you are willing to sign him.
Without Josie to guide them the youngsters are rudderless
and out of control.
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heh
more like i typed something without really thinking about it. I really just wanted to ask a question differently from “what are the chances the Dodgers bid on him?” and then try to count all the different ways the TBLA commentariat can say “No chance in hell.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
see what you did Phil? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
dutch?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I remember a conspiracy theory back in the Dice-K mania which said that a team like Batimore would put in a $60MM posting fee, win the bid and then tell Dice-K their offer is $2MM per year for 3 years. Basically, win the bid to keep Dice-K from the Yankees and Red Sox.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Good thing they didn't do that
since the Sox wasted about 100 Million on the loser
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Would they get the posting fee back?
if not thats the dumbest rumor of all time. ALL TIME.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
only
if Dice-K didn’t accept
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. If a deal is not reached, they get the posting back.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Did not know that
I thought it was the leverage the player had to make the team give them a viable contract. Has anyone ever been posted and then not signed?
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I’ve seen people opine that the Dodger rotation at present is formidable without knowing what else will be added.
The last two years, the consensus was that it was ‘suspect’, ‘shaky’, etc. I guess they’ve finally come to respect Kershaw/Billingsley?
Silly spider, it is all about Lilly
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What people?
right now there are 3 starting pitchers, if you have to fill in from the system, it is not very formidable.
The people
who forgot that Kuroda/Padilla are unsigned and that McDonald is no longer Dodger property. So I’m guessing ESPN
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This makes no sense to me. He was never a part of any major plans, was he?
McDonald is no longer Dodger property
I like Googling players’ names sometimes to see what people are saying. Just gathering some random thoughts, ’tis all.
You can't just make a statement
that Joe Blow thinks we have a formidible rotation and then ask us to comment on it when we don’t give a shit about what Joe Blow thinks because we have no idea who Joe Blow is.
You can do it, but should you?
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Opposite of Dee Gordon
Kevin_Goldstein
6-4/195 turned into 6-6/260 RT @TonyMBase: @Kevin_Goldstein what went wrong with joel guzman?
Weight would explain why he
went from an “athletic SS” to big ass corner but I don’t think that explains the contact issues unless he thinks the extra two inches in size simply changed his plate coverage. He was 6’6 by the time he hit AA at age 19.
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Adam Dunn Scouting Expedition
Marty mentioned earlier:
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 9, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions
Awesome
I recognize
Marty, Vishal?, the Writer (Rob), The Guy who missed the cut on Karate Kid?, and Berkowitz. Who else is in there?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
There is a caption below the photo....
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Oops
that was Don Burns not Berko. Little fact on Don Burns, he saw Jackie Robinson play in Brooklyn and was Jerry Browns Transportation Sec back during Jerry Brown’s last run as Gov. Should have recognized Roy Kim
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Clay Loomis (Sufferin Bruin),
the guy besides Marty in the Home Depot shirt, organized the whole shebang. Really good guy, he went on to teach at Locke High School and hasn’t been heard from since.
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 9, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
35 miles off the coast
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Sir Richard Branson
He’s such a jokester.
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 9, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know where that signature came from, but it’s awesoke.
And if you just made it up, I’m super impressed!
Corbett Canyon Wine
Comes in a box, so no broken bottles, and it’s reasonably priced!
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 9, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
That’s where the inspiration came from, I mean. It’s not like it was printed on the back of the box, or anything.
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Vegan Party. That said, sorry for eating your cat.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 9, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
New owners
which is often the reason I here why Ned will be let go if and when the Dodgers are ever sold.
Hard to replace
a manager in Feb. Depo sure wishes he had.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
News story
“We needed to make a change, we needed a fresh start,” McCourt said. "In the end, I found this to be a clear choice if not an easy one. During the search, there was one person that stood out.
“A lot of capable people had a high level of interest in this job. Money was no factor at all. We wanted to find the best possible person. We found that man in Paul.”
DePodesta graduated cum laude from Harvard in 1995 with a degree in economics. He played baseball and football for the Crimson.
“I don’t have all the answers, I know that,” said DePodesta, who signed a five-year contract. “I don’t think that there’s any one way of doing things. When we were in Oakland, we did what we felt we had to do to win. I think probably my best attribute is being able to have an open mind.”
Oakland reached the playoffs the last four seasons, but failed to win a postseason series. DePodesta worked for the Cleveland Indians for three years before joining the A’s.
DePodesta said the Dodgers have about twice the resources the A’s do.
McCourt repeated what the Dodgers announced Friday upon closure of the sale — that Jim Tracy would be their manager. However, Bob Graziano is reportedly out as team president, The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday, citing multiple baseball sources.
That was the day
my interest in the Dodgers was rekindled so much I got season tickets the next day. I was awash with joy that my team had been the first team to hire a sabremetrically inclined general manager. I had such high hopes and for 8 months he did nothing to dissuade those hopes.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I’ve got some massively hot jalapenos in the fridge. The brand name escapes me, though. It is a common one.
Gun season opens here on Saturday Morning. A lot of deer are gonna die this weekend.
Last Year, over 188,000 deer were tagged in Arkansas.
That is a lot of sausage.
Never answer that question
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
So if someone asks, I can’t answer?
Or I don’t need to answer?
Or you guys don’t want us to answer?
:)
Or and Or but not So
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
How many humans get accidently shot or arrowed on opening day
Serious question?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Cool Veteran Day deal by the Dodgers
WHAT: Approximately 80 members of the military, including representatives from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard and National Guard, will be treated to a batting practice event at Dodger Stadium on Veteran’s Day.
The group will hit on the field at Dodger Stadium, throw in the Dodger bullpen, hit in the indoor batting cages and get a behind-the-scenes tour of the Dodger clubhouse. Two representatives from each branch will participate in a home run hitting contest to conclude the event and the winner will receive four tickets to Opening Day against the San Francisco Giants on April 1.
In addition, the Dodgers will announce numerous military programs for 2011.
WHO: Dodger alumni in attendance will include Special Advisor to the Chairman and Hall of Fame Manager Tommy Lasorda (1946-47 Army veteran), Special Advisor to the Chairman Don Newcombe (1952-53 Army veteran), General Manager Ned Colletti and former Dodgers Roy Gleason (1967 Army veteran), Steve Yeager, Kenny Landreaux and Bobby Castillo. Dodger broadcaster Charley Steiner will emcee the event.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Veteran stuff really kills a thread
I wonder if it is guilt based?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
More like to much reality for a blog
where we go to get away from real life. I think every one gives a shit.
See you all tomorrow, play nice.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
While it is a cool and noble event
It’s not exactly something that is open to the public so I could see where general interest is lowered.
Reminded of my mortality
Former University of San Francisco All-American and Chicago Bulls first-round draft pick Quintin Dailey was found dead in his Las Vegas home on Monday, according to a Clark County Coroner’s Office spokeswoman.
Dailey, who was 49, died naturally of hypertensive cardiovascular disease.
Dailey was a two-time West Coast Conference player of the year and an AP All-American in 1982. He played professionally for Chicago, the Los Angeles Clippers and Seattle.
Nontender Loney & Theriot....sign Dunn..
Salary neutral scenario:
Non-tender Loney (saves 5 mils)
Non-Tender Theriot (saves 4 mils)
Sign Dunn to (3/36)…
Go with DeJesus or “insert minimum salary veteran” at 2nd base.
I’d bring Russ Martin back at this arbitration salary bc there’s nothing good out there at catcher…
Upgrading 1st base should be as apparent this year as it was in 2006 when Ned signed Furcal to replace Izturis.
That was basically kicked around upthread. It was further decided that Carroll would probably get the starting 2B job over De Jesus, with De Jesus on the bench; when Furcal goes down, De Jesus starts.
Your lineup now looks like this:
Furcal
Carroll
Dunn
Ethier
Kemp
Blake
Paul/Kearns
Barajas/Ellis
Now with 33% more Kavula
I'd bring Martin back..
SS – Furcal
C – Martin
RF – Ethier
1b – Dunn
CF – Kemp
LF – SANDS/TRAYVON
3b – Blake
2b – DeJesus/Carroll
Sabremetric teams
Red Sox
A’s
Padres
Mets
Blue Jays
Rays
Indians
Pirates
Feel free to add or subtract.
Alleged rapists are the new undervalued commodity.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Currently on ESPN Classic
1981 World Series game 6. Top of the 5th. Russell just sacrificed Lopes, and Garvey flew out
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
sure did, mwahahaha
oh, and my Dad on Greg Nettles,
“I freakin hate that guy. He always killed us. It always seemed like we hit it right to him. STOP HITTING IT TO HIM!!!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
the hilarious part?
they’re not even showing the Yankee at bats.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Fuuuck
It’s funny, the same day I showed my girlfriend the private Mexican beach I was taking her to is the same day she broke up with me. Unrelated incidents for sure, but doesn’t make it feel better.
4Down, make it a reservation for two at the single table.
Reg, we’re going out for drinks Friday night, don’t know where or what time yet, but I’ll give you updates as I get them. Anyone else who wants to trek down to redondo beach is welcome as well. I’ll be the guy in the Kershaw jersey, just to keep it classy.
G. Scott
That’s too bad man, I know you were just talking the other day and said that you had made it to like 5 years with her, I can’t even imagine how that feels.
You’ve got all us assholes here on TBLA to help cheer you up, that’s for sure. I wish I was 21, but it’s still a damned month away! I could be down to hang out on Friday, don’t have anything else planned at the moment. I’m sure I could cheer you up with more 4down stories :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Sometimes breakups are temporary..
Especially if the relationship had been a long term relationship…No one is going to forget you or give up that easily.
Thats why it doesnt make alot of sense to get that bent out of shape.
You have to think long term.
He may get back together with her in a year or even sooner…never know.
OT
the nuggets gave up 54 points to the Pacers….in the 3RD QUARTER
"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
they went 20-21 in that quarter I think
per twitter
"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
According to ESPN's play by play...they went 20-20...
Then McRoberts missed a 3 pointer with 1 second left in the quarter..
No guarantees.
I don’t think that we can be stopped on offense right now. The running game has come aroung 180 degrees from where it was at the first of the year.
Our defense is playing well. I don’t think LSU can score enough to keep up. That is my opinion.
I think we bust their fuckin heads, 8 outa 10 times in LR. But I can’t guarantee victory.
Hopefully we win out, Auburn beats Bama, and we play in the Sugar Bowl.
As an Arkansas fan..
How did you ever lose any games with McFadden, Hillis, and Felix Jones all in the same backfield.
Thats 3 starting NFL running backs…
Only one guy can carry the ball in a given play
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
McFadden was the bell cow for sure.
Hillis may be the best all around player of the bunch. He played HB, FB, TE, WR while at Arkansas. His hands are unreal.
Felix Jones is what he is. Just a big play waiting to happen.
Houston Nutt loved to run them too. That is why we would win 8 or 9 games a year. all we did was run the ball. you’d think we’d never lose, but when you send 1 receiver out in a route and run the ball 45 times per game you get easy to stop.
So I got Call Of Duty: Black Ops last night at midnight
Then was too tired to play, figures, lol, but I’ve played a few matches tonight and I can tell you it’s freaking great so far. I definitely recommend it if you like first person shooters. Hell, even if you might not, it’s a cool game.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If you like COD and want more of it basically
buy it. If you are tired of the multiplayer and don’t want to pay 60 dollars for 5 hours of single player, wait 2 years for it to go on sale.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Most people talking about it on TV say it’s going to be the biggest game ever. As far as sales goes.
They made that commercial where all these lay people are walking around playing at soldiers. If I’m a recruiter, I’m eating my hat going “Then why don’t they sign up!”
Which is better? PS3 or XBox?
I have neither.
PS3 is a blu ray player…so thats why I was thinking of getting it.
PS3 is pretty great
Not an xbox fan, and I think the PS3 controller is way easier to use.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
+1
PS3 by a mile…
the controller is way better
ps3 controller sucks for fps
360 controller is a billion times better for precision aiming. Thbe ps3 controller is arguably better for platforming though, and anything that involves the dpad. I find the 360 controller so much more comfy though.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I think that is just a matter of what you are playing most. When I first picked up the PS3 controller I hated it, but now I see the 360 one as bulky.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I've played both of them plenty
maybe its too bulky if you have small hands :-p
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
As a proud owner of the WiiStation360
Neither is better, but if you are interested in Netflix and hulu streaming, and don’t want to pay extra for it, and want blu ray, then the ps3 even though its 100 mnnore then the arcade is the way to go. a year and a half ago the 360 had the better games, now its a tossup.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
i have owned both. I think they are both great. I would judge it by exclusive titles and versatility. I like the Blu Ray for my PS3, and the last two years of exclusives have been phenomenal, oh and the baseball is much better.
BUT…Xbox Live is much better than the PS3 version…although the PS3 version is cheaper.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Also
You can have the free version on PS3, which works perfectly fine.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I agree free is nice, but the gameplay and setup was is better on the 360…but I won’t complain about free.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I have an Xbox.
I like it, but the fact that they charge for their online services when every other console is free is simply criminal. They just raised the price of it too.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
they should stop charging I agree 100 percent. It is however the best online component of any of the 3 systems.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I just canceled my service actually. I mainly had it so I could stream Netflix through it, but I just recently got a blu ray player that can as well, and it’s free, so I junked the Xbox Live to save some money.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'll probably be doing the same at the end of my curren sub
I can get netflix for freeeeeeeeeeeeee on the ps3 now. I don’t play much online on consoles either way, mostly stick to my comp for that.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Yeah same here.
Online gaming is overrated anyway. It can be fun with the right people, but there are a lot of jerks out there that can ruin the whole thing.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, I like it mostly to play sports games with my brother
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Well thats why I play on a comp and hated MW2
I usually find a well moderated server or two and just play on those, can’t do that on the console.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Steve Howe
I told my Dad how funny it is between eras. We used to ask, “How good could they have been if they weren’t on drugs?” now we ask, “How bad would they have been if they weren’t on drugs?”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Fuck MLB 10 the show
Its bottom 7 and its 5-0, dodgers losing. the fucking commentator says.. “starting to see break lights in rf.. thats Dodger fans for you”
I had no idea it was my PS3 at first.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
The worst part of the show (and I love this game) is when they play the audio feed for the Phillies when Rollins hits the winning runs in off of Broxton. It brings back very painful memories.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
That was the most painful moment for me as a Dodger fan that started seriously watching 7 years ago. I had an illegal video feed on the internet and I was listening to Vin. Vin was ahead of the feed, so I heard it before I saw it. I actually thought for a second that Vin might be wrong. I almost cried.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Watching this called Street Smart
Morgan Freeman is in it. Looks like a pimp or something.. Hes in a car with a whore and Christopher Reeve.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
Miami in lots of trouble now.
Down 112-111 with 24 seconds left..
They were up 22 early in the game at home…
Awful performance by the Miami Heat..
Not only blowing a 22 point lead…but Deron Williams fouled out in regulation.
The Jazz are winning the OT without Deron/Al Jefferson.
Ended up costing Memphis when Rudy Gay did that
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
people think that team will win 72 with Joel Anthony as their starting center
LOL
"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest
that's like a mad lib
Peter Gammons wants (insert really good player here that isn’t named Manny Ramierez) in Boston.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure
they’ll get something for Fielder
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I literally can't watch him anymore
without laughing hysterically after thinking of Comedy Death Ray/Domanian impression.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
ESPN wrote the story on it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5786315
Two sources who recruit for Mississippi State said that Cecil Newton and his son, quarterback Cam Newton, admitted in separate phone conversations to a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year.
Mississippi State compliance officials relayed the alleged conversations to Southeastern Conference compliance officials in January, according to two other sources close to the football program.
Its from Miss State, so this is still a story of a school spumed but there’s tangible proof now.
After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret about his change of commitment from Mississippi State, stating that his father Cecil had chosen Auburn for him because “the money was too much.”
Auburn is soooo fucked…
Fuck teams that blatently cheat.
I realize that all teams cheat to some extent, but if this is true, Good.
But this is happening in the SEC. We’re talking about two schools in the same conference doing it, now I question what other teams are…
That will never happen again. But they need to be severly punished. No TV, Bowls, loss of scholies for years.
This is bullshit
No, it certainly won't ever happen again
Though if it did, from where you’re sitting, Arkansas will be the only team to be an innocent bystander in a conference which got crushed from the death penalty… twice!
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
No shit!
Nothing to see here, just a big empty stadium.
Hey Aubie, can we use your tackling dummies for the next couple of years? We like the contrasting colors.
The Southwest Conference was out of control...
This is pretty unbelievable.
The 1980s saw many of the conference’s athletic programs hit by recruiting scandals and NCAA probations. The only programs to escape probation in the 1980s were Arkansas, Baylor, and Rice
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
What does there conference affiliation have to do with anything. I crushed USC over the Reggie Bush thing because it was bullshit.
same here
Cecil Newton, Cam’s father, was basically holding an auction for his stud son. Were MSU and Auburn the only schools fighting for Cam? Stay tuned…
Read that Ky was going to sign… Good lord, what a class, I like that PG better, forgot his name… something Young.
BJ Young
He will be really close on qualifing. The Rivals guy here made a great point. A caller was on the line and said something to the effect of “He aint qualified right now.” He said “He doesn’t need to be right now, he needs to be at the end of June.”
They think he’ll end up making it.
Madden worries me. Not sure he’ll sign. He wants to wait and see if the 2 guards we signed this year are sick or not.
Nah! lol
The dude is on the radio here every day. On one of the local shows. Comes on a talks recruiting every day.
That’s awesome. I wish there would be people like him here.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 9, 2010 9:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m all for it, and may Delias man
by Julio Nievas on Nov 9, 2010 9:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m all for it, and maybe Delias man
by Julio Nievas on Nov 9, 2010 9:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Can somebody tell me how the hell Miss St. is going to escape sanctions? Or is this a ‘we suck, lets bring somebody else down’, type of story?
Well they don’t necessarily suck, but i get your point.
Not sure of what sanctions you speak of, unless they admit to paying Newton before he went to Auburn and got paid more.
The article clearly states that Mississippi St claims no wrong doing and admits that they told the Newtons no to additional payment beyond a scholie.
Right. And they immediately contacted SEC officials.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
The article claims they contacted them in January????
How in the hell was he deemed eligible?
I guess they said fuck it. Let him play, no one will tell.
Whoops.
And now we are at where we are. At first, I was like eff this dumb drama, it’s taken a turn where I’m getting the popcorn ready.
How the hell did Cushing play the entire season last year
when he tested positive very early in the season?
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
never seen it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
They sucked me in with Don’t Stop Believin’ for the pilot episode, but the show is too awful to continue to watch. I was only in it for the songs.
Yeah, you'd have to be gay to watch a tv show...
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I really don't care what you or anyone thinks about this
But I watched the first season and liked the show. Enjoyable characters, i like many of the songs, and it’s just not too bad a show to watch to me.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Glee
looks pretty fucking ridiculous. But then I think most TV is pretty fucking ridiculous these days.
Nothing is ever easy.
by drulenarendes on Nov 9, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Haven't watched an episode
But, FOX is very much behind the show. So much so that Glee will follow the Super Bowl this season. It’s sort of a cash cow for them with music sales.
Still it pulls in over 11 million viewers a week. I need to find the demo’s but I would imagine they do very well with young viewers.
After taking a few minutes
The show does phenomenal numbers with women 18-34.
About 1/5th of all women those ages watch Glee.
i have watched Glee with my wife
the story line is the worse I’ve ever seen on TV, but I do like singing, big broadway fan. Mock me
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I like musicals about as much as any straight dude
and I have never seen an episode of Glee.
The moments i have seen on hulu/youtube interest me not at all. I could use some hyperbolic language to go further, but I haven’t had enough gin yet.
Now with 33% more Kavula
My stepdad watches it with my mom
they like it because they’ve taken singing classes for a few years now and relate to the singing training and like the songs. Even they admit the storylines have gotten weaker though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
only on SB Nation software
three live threads, three totally different topics currently going
SEC Football
PS3 – Xbox debate
Glee
ha ha
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This just in
Shiner Bock is decent, and I have had too much beer and BBQ the past few days in Houston. I need to hold back for Vegas in three days.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:52 PM PST reply actions
I just need to pace myself for Vegas this year. First goal, no alcohol poisoning this time
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, first goal. Put food in stomach upon arrival.
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 9, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Strangely in my entire life I've never been
propositioned by a Hooker other then street sleeze. I’m still looking for Sera
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Dead thread
but child or forced prostitution of any kind is simply a huge problem in this world, and the men who frequent them are as guilty as the men who put the people into those situations. Lives are being stolen for blow jobs. Humanity at its worst.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I thought he meant
when it is a kid handing out the cards.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Dunn Is A DH
I have no idea what the hell he has been doing in the National League. Backup first baseman sure, not everyday 1st baseman.
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