Dodgers 2011 #12 Prospect Chat
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 9, 2010 8:10 AM PST
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PrintIt was an extremely close race between Ivan De Jesus, Garrett Gould, and Jonathan Garcia, but in the end it was Garrett Gould who came out on top. His youth and potential must have won people over. I’m guessing that all of the remaining votes are going to be close as there are a lot of players deserving of the final 9 spots in the TBLA top 20 prospects. Refer to the left sidebar of the website for the TBLA ranking thus far.
I added a ton of names last round, so I’m not including anybody new this time. However there are at least a few more guys that I’m going to add before we finish our voting.
To make it obvious for those not reading the whole article, Click Here To Vote.
As always, use this thread to talk about the voting and other things, and only use the other Fanpost to submit your votes.
The round 12 candidates (ages as of 2011 opening day):
Jonathan Garcia (19.25 years old) OF – Garcia played the entire 2010 season as an 18 year old and posted some very solid stats. The only caveat to his .305 average and 10 homers is that he did most of his damage at home in the Raptors hitter friendly park. He’s a little undersized at 5’11", but plays solid defense and at 19 years old he still could still hit a growth spurt.
Scott Elbert (25.5 years old) LHP – Battled personal problems and injuries in 2010, but the lefty is still just 25 and has nasty stuff when he is able to get it over the plate. According to a recent interview, it sounds like he will be strictly a reliever in the future.
Kyle Russell (24.75 years old) OF – Best known for his plus power and his strikeout totals, most prospect hounds either love him or hate him. Russell dominated the California League before getting promoted to AA where he struggled initially before hitting a hot streak over the final month of the season. Kyle is also a solid defender with a very good arm in right field.
Nathan Eovaldi (21 years old) RHP – Throws gas, but has never recorded particularly high strikeout numbers. According to Charlie Hough, the low strikeout totals are due his poor command. Had a mediocre season in 2010, and was limited due to a mid season oblique strain. He is still being groomed as a starter, although it has been rumored that consistency with his breaking pitches will determine his future role.
Ivan De Jesus Jr (23.75 years old) 2B – A broken leg cost him virtually all of his 2009 season, but De Jesus responded pretty nice bounce-back year in 2010. Hit .296 with 7 homers, although it should be noted he played his home games the very hitter friendly stadium. He doesn’t really have a plus skill, but seems to hold his own in most aspects of the game and is still just 23 years old. He is basically limited to 2B now on an everyday basis, although he could probably play enough shortstop to fill the role of a middle infield utility player.
Brian Cavazos–Galvez (23 years old) OF – After an outstanding 2009 season, BCG got off to an extremely slow start with the Great Lakes Loons. By the time 2010 season was over, however, Cavazos-Galvez had put together one of the best all around seasons of any Dodger minor leaguer. He hit .318, smacked 18 homers, stole 43 bases, and drove in 77 runs. The negatives about BCG are that he was a little bit old for LoA, and that he isn’t a very strong outfield defender.
Matt Magill (21 years old) RHP – Magill surprised a lot of people with his great 2010 season, and even led the minor leagues with a .194 opponents’ batting average. Also had a 3.28 ERA, a 1.10 WHIP, and had 9.6 strikeouts per 9 innings as a 20 year old. Some scouts describe his stuff as fringy, although throws in the low 90’s and has a slider that was too much for the Midwest League hitters.
Ralston Cash (19.5 years old) RHP – 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft had a solid debut in the Arizona Rookie League. His fastball hits 94 but sits in the lower 90’s with some movement, and he has two other potentially above average pitches (curveball and changeup).
Joc Pederson (18.75 years old) OF – The Dodgers went way over slot to sign their 11th round pick in the 2010 draft because they loved his athleticism. While he has 5 tool potential, none of the 5 tools have a particularly high ceiling. He only had 12 plate appearances for the Arizona Dodgers.
James Baldwin (19.5 years old) OF – The son of the former major league pitcher, Baldwin is an exciting young player due to his speed and athleticism. He initially struggled in his professional debut, but then made adjustments and was very good for the final month of the 2010 season. He is still very raw, but some scouts believe he has the potential to one day become a 5 tool prospect.
Jake Lemmerman (21 years old) SS – After a monster season with the Raptors this past year, Lemmerman was named as the Pioneer League MVP. In 259 at bats, Late Night had a .363 average, a 1.044 OPS, 12 homers, and 47 RBI’s. He also did all this while playing the premium position of shortstop, and coming out of college he was described as a solid defender at the position.
Leon Landry (21 years old) OF – The Dodgers 3rd round pick in the 2010 draft, Landry had a great professional debut with a .349 average and a .909 OPS. He drew comparisons to Andres Torres from the Ogden Raptors radio announcer, who also described him as a gap hitter. However, Baseball America says he could top out with a .280 and 15 homers per year. He covers a lot of ground in the outfield, although he has a below average arm.
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Garcia again
then Landry, Lemmerman and Baldwin in that order.
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I’m truly surprised to see DeJesus sinking so low.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, at this point in the rankings, if he is falling behind guys who were just drafted this year or last and he just finished AAA, do we really want him playing for us?
I voted for him because if he falls much further, I just don’t think he would be worth having in the discussion.
I admit that he’s not the prospect he was before the injury, but I have to think it’s more a function of his not getting called up due to the alleged behavior issues. But hopefully that was a wake-up call more than a final judgment.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s sinking because he’s fallen off. I think he’s sinking low because when you put him up next to any of the guys on this list, it’s a coin flip. I just happen to like the younger position players more than the guy putting up a .740OPS in ABQ.
On a side note, IDJJ looks like Carlos from The Benchwarmers.
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Depends
1) Depends on if that’s a fair comparison, some would argue yes, some think he has more offensive potential
2) Cora’s had a 12 year Major League career, if your 12th rated prospect is “only” going to have that, I’d argue that’s nothing to scoff at.
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Sure a 12 year career is great but when we could probably get better production by throwing a free agent 2-3 million, it’s hard to care.
DeJesus is much more likely to see the bigs than Garcia, but at this point it’s hard to see DeJesus not being completely replaceable.
is that true?
Doesn’t DeJesus at 400,000 have a huge value jump over the Theriots at 2.5 Million? The on field production may be replaceable but the saving that can be put toward another position would seem to have some value.
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I am very intrigued by that Carlos Quentin idea
though I still worry about his health, and his range in the OF, since as was said in prev thread we need to get better on D there, not worse. But still, hmmm. Hmmmmm!
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I’d do it in a heartbeat. Besides, his plantar facitis all but makes him born to be a Dodger.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Haha, good point
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Toss him a bigger glove and let him play first base.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
I am down with this. It doesn’t look like he has ever played 1B, but I think he could handle it if they transitioned him during ST. He is still going to be young at 28 and he has been a pretty consistent power bat.
Are the White Sox for sure going with Flowers as their catcher? I’m wondering if they would try to poach Russell Martin from us instead. Much like Renteria, if Ned signs A.J. Pierzinski I might find a billboard to perch upon.
Agreed, I hate AJ
and would very much prefer Martin to that prick.
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hah! sorry ;-) your last name is a hell of a lot easier to spell, I'll say that.
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Are they?
He’s a free agent but he signed back with the Sox the last time he was a free agent.
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I have to vote DeJesus in the vote thread because
I didn’t vote in last one and think he doesn’t deserve to drop this far. He could be starting for LA next year at some point, which could say more about the team than hm but still, he was pretty highly rated before the injury and seems pretty solid to me.
So it’ll be DeJesus and then Garcia.
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Voted Garcia
We’re now in the part of the rankings where we see if any of these become big sleepers like Sands
Garcia
Garcia has tons of upside and only 19 yrs old..looks like a young Pedro Guerrero (for those who remember)..5"11"-190# someone who has rifle arm and play good D in Rf for many years. Someone who cold hit .290 and hit 25+ hrs..he has short compact swing.
Definitely more pot. than EMartin..who at best is AJ Burnett. and more likely a RP.
Yeah, kid has a hose
led all Pioneer League outfielders with 12 assists (in only 60 games) .
Catching up on last night's comments
Sorry to hear the bad news, G.Scott.
I think I’m going with DeJesus now.
Thanks
like I said, back on the horse, i’m young and it’s time to play, fuck the Giants
etc. etc.
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You are getting a much more sympathetic response from the community than 4down did.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
His response was very sympathetic at first, before the backlash.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
[I’m sympathetic to G Scott too, been there, etc., but I’m almost afraid to say it this time out]
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I suppose that’s true.
The mood turned when he asked for advice, received pretty much the same advice from everybody, and then ignored it.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I thought we were just having fun with him
you guys make it sound like you took it personally he didn’t take your advice. One guy is a kid who was probably in love for the first time, and from what we gathered is looking for a monagamous life, while G Scott has probably had some serious experience in this area. He was a jock, and what jock has not done some heart damage of their own?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I assure you I did not take it personally.
The mood turned from giving serious advice to giving terrible advice which was meant to create laugher amonsgst the commentariat.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I didn’t care either. That’s why I never joined in on stage two.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Not to throw egg in your direction
this girl was my first girlfriend. We dated from 19-24 (present). Roughly 20% of my life was spent with this woman as my partner.
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Then that is tough
hard to give up such history.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
it is history
just because 5 years is 20% of my life and 20 years is 20% of your life, doesn’t mean it doesn’t count.
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i just meant i could not tell if phil was being sarcastic or not. He is old with a different perspective.
No sarcasm
I can totally relate to what just happened. My first wife and I got together when we were both 17 and it ended at the age of 26.
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I really hope that doesn't happen to me
no offense meant
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Not for everyone
for some that was the best they will ever get. Just saying
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Sent you my sympathy in previous thread but again my sympathies
been there, done that, hated it. Hated her, for awhile.
Anyone see the Night of Too Many Stars comedy telethon? Chris Rock raised 10 grand by offering to call the highest bidder’s ex on the phone there on stage and curse them out. It was hilarious. Er, not saying you have that much money to give Chris Rock, but… maybe an impersonator?
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Ok well if you change your mind
I can do impressions ;-)
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i didn’t start a comment thread so big that it pissed people off by slowing down their computers, only to find out it was 1000 comments about Dr. Phil.
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Its too bad we didn’t get the Maury Povich show.
“4DOWN. YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER.”
*4down breaks into the douggie.
Colin Cowherd says
that tells him all he needs to know about 4down, he’ll never win anything, and his 10 year old daughter knows better. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
you don't need to spare me
if I needed spared, I’d not have posted it. but I didn’t want to get asked about her and then have to explain later.
I’m still going to see her. We’re still best friends, we just cut off the boyfriend/girlfriend part. If she decides later (soon, not later) to reconsider I’ll do it, but there is a statute of limitations on such thing.
By the way, the statute of limitations for a girl breaking up with a guy and wanting to get back together is exactly as long as it takes said guy to get a new girlfriend.
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We’re still best friends, we just cut off the boyfriend/girlfriend part
So you still have the talking, but you cut out the sex?
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t know. She made it sound like we were just reverting back to an open relationship type deal where we’re dating but we each have the freedom to see other people.
If that’s the case, she owes me breakup sex.
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just a suggestion
get the hell away from that asap
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 9, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
i wasn't holding back for you
but these old farts here don’t like the advice I offer. Anyways, I guess in the situation you laid out above you can still toot it often. And should.
I suppose I may be one of those old farts
but I honestly don’t even remember what your advice was, other than maybe get out there and hit it as much as possible, or some such thing.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
You could see 500 Days of Summer for how that can be handled
eventually it can work, after some pain (but unlike the movie the painful awkward part usually lasts much longer.) But my advice is usually, the friends part comes later, but the line must be drawn completely for awhile because it can be too awkward and painful and people can get mislead and hurt and jealous. But sometimes you need to stay in communication for awhile at least, or it’s even worse.
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Yeah ditto
Probably because I dated a “free spirit” just like her, and was similarly crushed when the “I don’t want to be tied down” girl suddenly was in a serious relationship with another guy (which lasted 10 years but not marriage)
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Usually
“I don’t want to be tied down” girl is really “I don’t want to be tied down with you” girl. And if the guy is too smitten, he never sees it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
So I learned! Painfully
That movie captures that well (though how fast she ended up engaged to mystery man in that movie seemed farfetched).
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Bad break man
This sort of situation is never any fun. On the practical front, when are you changing the profile pic?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Not there yet. Plus, I don’t have anything as cool as this one to put up. Next week i’ll post the picture of the six hookers I picked up in Vegas this coming weekend.
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Cool Hand
G. Scott
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Why
would we trade for Quentin if he is a non tender candidate? Do the White Sox have any outfielders left other then Rios and Pierre, with Manny, Quentin, Andruw Jones being free agents? Can they really afford to non tender Quentin?
Anyway I’d be down for Quentin, always liked his game. This guy Jones also whacks LHP, man what a 2nd half he had last year. If we are going to pay him why not actually get some production from him.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=jonesan01&year=2010&t=b
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I thought about that
My thought is that it secures our position. No need to negotiate or bid and the Dodgers are only losing a guy who they would non-tender anyway. It takes away the uncertainty.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
But they aren't going to non - tender Loney
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I think Martin is on the bubble
but I don’t think the Dodgers are mulling non – tendering James Loney, I think only bloggers are doing it but I could be totally off base. There is the possibility that Mattingly has told Ned, that Loney has gone as far as he can go and that they should cut bait and get something else but my feeling is that Mattingly is in Loney’s corner and still feels he can become a productive enough offensive first baseman to be worth the contract.
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All the more reason to trade him for Quentin.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
no way
Dave Hansen will draw his power out!! :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Set aside the guys Ned won’t trade, Kemp included I think, and those he can’t move, and you’ve only got Loney and Broxton as movable, major league-ready pieces. Which is why I think they might well be traded, but not non-tendered.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
If healthy enough, yes, but there will be questions about that.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 9, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
I think Broxtons contract and 2nd half cratering
makes him unmovable. Why would anyone give up something to take a chance on a guy who was that bad, when they can simply sign anyone of the plethora of relief options available for much less money.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I think most of them will get non tendered
so while they can’t sign early they can sign after 12/2.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
This is probably accurate
but the same exact thing can be said for Quentin (i.e. more bloggers calling for non-tender), which is why I thought of it as a potential match.
True or False
If James Loney were a free agent we could sign him to a contract fitting of his skills and past history.
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My philosophy towards MLB free agency
summed up so nicely. Sometimes a few guys slip through the cracks like Hudson when we nabbed him, but thats a risky game.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
True: we could sign him to a reasonable deal.
False: he would still get about the same amount of money as he will get from arbitration this year.
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I think if James Loney was a Free Agent
he’d easily get as much as he’d get in arbitration this year and more then one team would be interested.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I love this idea
especially since we’d then be paying him MORE money.
Not a chance in hell he signs with us, but he’d be a sick platoon partner for either Ethier, Loney (or Paul…) Can he still play OF D?
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I heard Ivan De Jesus Jr.
voted for Jonathan Garcia.
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He was misquoted from the AFL
It should have read, “I just gotta go get that job. I just have to keep working to try to get to the level of Ryan Theriot”.
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I love how in Neyer’s ESPN chat right now Giant fans think Sabean will go for Crawford or Werth. Where will they get the money?
letting huff renteria uribe burrel and ross walk
and then trading rowand? Or, magic.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
Trading Rowand
would be harder even than Dodgers trading Pierre. i.e., it’s possible, but they wouldn’t end up saving very much money because no team’s gonna be suckered into taking on almost any of that albatross. Ditto Zito. Fugedaboutit.
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baked? you're thinking of Timmy
But yeah Pasta dude is gonna be sitting in SF for awhile longer.
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They have something like $74m committed to 9 guys I think (I looked it up a few weeks ago), but they also have Posey, Bumgarner, Sanchez, and Sandoval super cheap. I think they can afford a big contract.
Right
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I do too. Either Crawford or Werth would be a great fit there. I think Werth would tear it up in SF.
Thank God they signed Rowand and Zito
because otherwise that team would have some major money to play in a market that has players that would be perfect for that team.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I'm sure their saying the same about us
and all our differed money
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Yes
I know I’m saying it
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Jeff Francoeur will be a FA by the end of the week, per Jon Morosi of Fox Sports.
Just saying, .824 career OPS vs LHP, good arm…
At the Reed Johnson rate, probably wouldn’t be bad. Although Frenchy likely wants to start.
Yeah he thinks he's an everyday player
so since he’s that fucking stupid, I want to pass.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 9, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this made me laugh, hard
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
We can wait till near the free agency and snag him up when no one else will pay him what he wants
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
How come when Dee Gordon
gets back to back four hit games I see it posted by those in his corner but when he follows that up with 3 – 19 nothing shows up. Still leading the Puerto Rican League in hitting at .444, 5 stolen bases, caught 4 times.
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l133&lid=133&t=l_bat
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Rosenthal
says the Dodgers checked in on Lee……….not really news i guess but first I’ve heard of the Dodgers doing anything with guys who weren’t on the team last year.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
heh
that would be a surprise, and honestly it would seem like we are punting next year if he is our big signing.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I mean I'm not going to complain if we sign him
but we still won’t be able to score runs. Then again Kemp could bounce back and have a monster season, and Blake could look young again at the plate, and Loney could realize his true potential.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I certainly wouldn’t complain either, though I would rather sign one of the big name hitters.
Lee is a stud, but it would indicate that management still thinks the problem is pitching (like they did at the deadline last year) when the problem is hitting.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
But the problem IS pitching
when you don’t have a full rotation.
This feeds my theory that Ned not saying how much payroll will go up is a ruse to not let his rivals/agents know how much money they can ask for.
Hell, the divorce is a negotiating tool if you use it right.
I wonder when the last time we had 3 lefties in the opening day starting rotation was.
I do, however, think that if Lee and Lilly pitched in the same series, Lilly would get TATTOOED because he’s basically Cliff Lee with less velo.
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Huff Uribe
are too expensive for us if we sign Lee
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
You don't know that
If the Dodgers sign Lee, I would expect everybody to agree that they have no idea how to forceast the Dodgers budget.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Even in my wildest dreams
I can’t imagine our budget being big enough to sign Lee and an impact bat.
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If the Dodgers signed Lee
I would agree with that, but they won’t so I don’t think I’ll have to worry about eating any words. Forgetting the budget, Ned has never gone more then three years for any pitcher. I don’t see that changing this winter.
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Yeah, that comment borders on insanity
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Remember the 2nd half last year?
Where our pitching was amazing but it was a struggle to score one run? Lee would be a great signing for the future, but if we sign him I don’t think we at best bring back pods to play left leaving us with that same offense.
I want to make them beautiful, but they always turn out WRONG! That one... too fat! This one... too tall! This one... too symmetrical!
I won't argue that signing a pitcher
may not be the best way to allocate our resources but your comment implies that if we spend 20 Million on Lee that we are punting 2011 and that part of the comment is simply ridiculous.
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Punting might be the wrong word
Because it implies the front office doesn’t care about winning, but I think we will not win the division if we do that, at least not next year.
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Okay
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Sure
but that was in the middle of a lost cause of a season, we still maybe have hope for next year. I guess we could let ned trade away a bunch of prospects mid season to get a bat to push us to the playoffs midyear.
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They were super smart because the Diamondbacks were
super fucking stupid and you can never so no to super fucking stupid.
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by meercatjohn on Nov 9, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What other clients does he have?
Because Ned knows he can’t afford Cliff Lee. He could barely afford Zach Lee.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Five Million spread out over five years still cracks me up
I just wish it had been 500,000 spread out over 10 years.
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For the comedy
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interesting
check your sources and see if the Dodgers have any Tripon. I’ll wait here
(sits with book)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I checked
the Dodgers have no Tripon.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
that's too bad
everyone needs some Tripon, if only to keep them on their toes.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, LA Taco, my man, if my office is really near
Imperial and Sepulveda, by LAX, where do I get tacos for lunch?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Truxton’s, yes, Truxton’s.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Most likely Cliff Lee
5/100
6/120
other
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Wow, 24 per year through age 37
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Roided out
Lee lives in Arkansas. No one from Arkansas is worth a damn after age 34.
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.
Needless jab at Keith?
Yup.
Funny?
Yup.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Is any one in other then the Nats and Yankee's?
Anyone see a dark horse who can spend that kind of dough
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Angels?
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They need a 5th starter
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I like that number when all is said and done
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I voted De Jesus again
I know nothing about anything, but it sure seems like the lessons of last season’s prospect class is Call Me When You Hit AA.
Maybe De Jesus’s ceiling is in fact Alex Cora, and maybe that is in fact not impressive. Still, the fact that he is very likely to reach that ceiling has to count for more than a kid who mashed in Rookie ball, even if the kid was just 18 years old.
I like Garcia. I’ll vote for him next round. But De Jesus’s proximity to the majors and likelihood to reach his ceiling have to count for quite a bit. He is a better prospect than #12.
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Call Me When You Hit AA.
Yup, I feel the same way.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
BREAKING: {insert MLB team here} inquired about Cliff Lee
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I think we have done all the prospect talk we can do
for the next pick, can we just run Michaels Adam Dunn story, I want to see the Dunn supporters come out of the Dunnworks.
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You won't have to wait long
That story comes out today.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I know but why wait until 12:00
we are ready for some Dunn, no one is talking about DeJesus or Garcia anymore.
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Because we get so many comments, and I don’t feel like writing another post for no reason tonight.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
It will feature the country music debut of Academy Award™ winner Gwyneth Paltrow!
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Academy Award gets the circle-R, not the superscripted-TM.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Oscar also gets the circle-R, by the way.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Is there a way to figure this out? Or do you just have to care that much about it to know?
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
I am the staff writer in a movie studio publicity department
so I just have to know that.
I don’t know if there’s any way to figure it out other than to just know it.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I like Sid, he’s a good guy. He has no idea who the hell I am, but I’ve dealt with him on occasion and he’s been a good guy.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I figured
But ® is my go-to and I decided to switch it up.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
The Academy encourages you not to switch it up.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
not even
thoughts on the country music debut of Gwenyth Paltrow?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
I think that means you have to drink a Dr. Pepper now.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
why?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
i see two 10:39 AM's
so you need to reprogramm for seconds. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
curses
you win this round Stephen…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
yes but until you refresh the page
yours is on top generally. Sometimes after you refresh it gets flipped.
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That means your computer is slow to load the comments.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
not that theres anything wrong with that?
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when the NPUT is announced
it should be Dunn and Dunn.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Not "Git 'er Dunn?"
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
damn
that’s even better
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I do, is that enough:)
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The problem is, if that’s the last post of the day, the thread will be bogged down by 3 this afternoon.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
just post a quick
Part 2
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
When
the Dodgers sign Cliff Lee this afternoon, Eric will post his already-written article on that.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Good point, never mind
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I voted Garcia
But I am seriously consider rounding out the top-15 with DeJesus, Elbert and Link.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
That would be
Jon Link, AAA reliever who has already had a cup o’ coffee in the majors, but isn’t on Brandon’s candidate list yet.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I would think Link and the German need to be added to the list for the #13 – #15 votes.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Schliting is on the 40-man right?
Ned: We put Travis on the 40-man.
Donny: For what?
Ned: For protection.
Donny: Protection for whom Ned? Ze German?
Bit of a stretch, but that line still cracks me up.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
he was never removed from it after hitting the DL.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Link was used only as a starter in the AFL
and did okay. It would be funny if Link ended up a better starting option then Ely.
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Yeah
he went, what, six innings in that one start. That doesn’t seem like a reliever getting his work him, but more like stretching him out for the upcoming spring.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Link
started 7 games in 25 appearances in his first half-season, which was in low-A, and only once in the minors – last season – since.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Maybe long relief-slash-spot starter?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Whether I vote for Link in a top 15 spot is maybe entirely dependent on whether he is being groomed as a starter or as a reliever.
That may sound funny from a guy who was willing to vote for Kenley Jansen #1, but Jansen overwhelmed me; in my opinion, Jansen’s performance forced a #1 vote even though he is just a reliever. Link’s does not, in my opinion, and here, at the back end of the top 20, I might be prepared to shift focus away from my preference for guys who have proven something and towards guys with higher ceilings in the lower leagues.
Still, if Link is to be tried as a starter, he can provide a lot more value.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Also
I think I’d be voting on the 20 year old (Solano) in AA over any other relief pitcher in the system since they are all 25 or so, if I was so inclined to go with a relief pticher, which I’m not.
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If Link and Solano’s ceiling is middle reliever, and Link has tasted the show, isn’t he more likely to reach his ceiling, irrespective of his age?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Because some middle relievers are better than others?
Don’t see why Link should get rewarded for being a 1-2 years ahead of Solano in the system when he is six years older.
Indeed, Solano is so far ahead of Link (who didn’t get to AA until age 24) that you can’t even compare their production at respective ages.
This is the first I’ve heard of Link as starter. He doesn’t need to outrun the bear, just outpitch Ely.
He sucked yesterday
but in his other four starts had done well
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=456899
but he is 26 pitching against much younger players, as is Elbert.
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why is SI using a crawford derp derp pic?
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Does Powell even have the ball yet in that picture?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
i have to post this
I’ve been laughing madly at it all morning.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions
I'm laughing
but for a different reason.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
It IS quite hilarious for a “hotlinking is disabled” banner.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
damn seriously
i fail………
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
If it is that good
you should post the link.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 9, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
It should at this point
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Speaking of awesoke
I need to try out this Super Mario Bros. X
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Unless I have miscounted
De Jesus and Garcia both have 10 votes. Ralph Nader (Eovaldi) and Eugene Debs (Cash) have 1 each.
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I considered going with Eugene V. Debs
but I didn’t want to appear pedantic. I have an image to uphold.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I could keep this going by suggesting a peda- word that could describe nolander, but he asked us to back off, so I will refrain.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
at worse I would be classified as a
Ephebophilia, but that would be untrue as it implies that I do not find women over the age of 18 to be sexually attractive.
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there should have been a c in there somewhere
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If Garcia loses I’m placing all the blame on the guy who voted for Eovaldi.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Also
I believe that Debs is rolling over in his grave over the fact that I have associated him with Cash.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed. I spent a few futile moments trying to work out if there was an intended connection, but gave up.
Only connection is this:
1. Delias voted for Cash
2. I decided to associate the two one-vote-getters with failed presidential candidates, as has been the joke.
3. I thought of Debs
4. I thought it was kida funny to choose Debs for Cash
That is all.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Just realized
I bought us two plane tickets and hotel for a week to go to San Francisco over Christmas to see the Nutcracker.
Awesoke.
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take your ex
and say THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME. CRACKING MY NUTS
by mintxcore on Nov 9, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Merry Christmas
Ma and Pa?
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Thanks for the
free rent?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
And then after the game
So see the fucking nutcracker
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Non sequitor
but I was trying to read your avatar message and noticed you recently passed 5k comments. I checked mine and am approaching 3k. Wonder what they would look like in book form.
The writings of the killer from seven?
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I'm going to get banned
I would rather watch Clayton Kershaw get traded to the Giants for Aaron Rowand than watch any single NFL game.
Football just isn’t my cup ’o turf. Give me MLB, NBA and NHL anyday.
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.
He said he’s not into football — not when there’s a ballet that ain’t gonna watch itself.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
There is only one thing to learn from this
procrastinate more
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I had no way of knowing then. I’ll just have to find a new girl by December.
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Exactly
Doing things ahead of time has just been proven to be a bad idea. Procrastination wins, its science.
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Procrasination got me where I am today
I would not suggest that as a life path
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party pooper
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If anyone's real bored
You can read about these 164 free agents:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-freeagenttracker110810
I’m holding a bit of a cndle for V-Mart, especially as a Ned Special signing with defensive versatility ;)
Complain we don't have a fifth starter
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by meercatjohn on Nov 9, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Complain that we don't have a 5th starter
or an offense
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say “Huh, I didn’t see that coming. Cool.”
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
That would be
Lincecum.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Go to SF with G.Scott to see Nutcracker.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
awwwwwwwwwwwwwkward
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I’m going to pass on TBLA “sleep naked together” night.
"Save that for the girl chat rooms. No here cares that you are sentimental and sweet. Jose [sic] already passed on you, Dodger SF is having a mid 20’s relationship crisis living in a town where she can’t love anyone because they are either gay or Giant fans, Maddz is stuck in Theology hell, and Teal is married. Not sure what is up with Connector. And my nieces are off limits. Sporky hates you because you adorn the cover of Jon’s book."
Boy will you be missing out
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What does he have to lose
even if Josie shows up, she’d pass on him.
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I guess we’ll find out who is the biggest TBLA, er, member.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Complain we don't have a certified Ace Who Can Win Big Games
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
11 years ago yesterday the Dodgers made one of the great trades
in their history when they flipped Right Fielders with the Toronto Blue Jays. Both players ended up with shorter careers then you would have expected at the time of the deal, but at least the Dodgers got the career years out of theirs before his shoulder succumbed to injury.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mondera01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greensh01.shtml
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Shawn Green was awesome
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One of the few players that was never correctly valued. At least as a Dodger.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
One of the things I remember about that trade was that the LA newspapers were all over it. I didn’t think we’d be able to pull it off (Mondesi was grousing about a new contract and Green was a budding superstar), but we did. For my money, that’s one of the best Dodger trades I can ever remember.
I remember people blaming Shawn Green for the 2003 offense, saying he wasn’t driving in enough RBIs, this was before I knew much about sabermetrics, but even then I knew that was a crock of shit.
Double Play ground balls to 2nd tend to kill an offense
and he did that alot in 2003/2004. Before he hurt his shoulder he was awesome
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yeah, I was not a fan of how the org handled his shoulder injury. Green had to take the brunt of the blame before any news came out that he was hurt. Could have been nipped in the bud.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
7 WAR Shawn Green was looked at as a religious icon when he took Yom Kippur off. 1.5 WAR Shawn Green was more villainized because the playoff race was closer and he wasn’t hitting 49 home runs.
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Was Shawn Green ever villainized?
I wasn’t paying much attention in 2003.
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The Yom Kippur thing was discussed, but not villanized.
I actually thought he caught more shit for not diving for a fly ball when Odalis was throwing a no-hitter (ended up a one hitter.)
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
As I recall he did get shit for it
but wasn’t that ball uncatchable and they just wanted to see the effort?
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I doubt he catches that ball. It was a tweener though. What fueled the fire was Lo Duca calling Green out on it. Lo Duca was dead to me after that.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
villainized is too strong
but it felt like people were less forgiving.
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It’s like you would blame Kemp this year. Green went from being a 7 win player to a 1.5 win player.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
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Theriot lost an arbitration hearing last year with the Cubs, receiving the team offer of $2.6 million and not the $3.4 million he was seeking. Arbitration-eligible again this year, Theriot figures to be looking for something close to $4 million, which makes him a threatened non-tender candidate. The top Minor League candidate at the position is Ivan DeJesus Jr., but there is no obvious in-house choice to step in if Theriot is cut loose.
“I don’t know the situation. I’m just keeping my fingers crossed that I’ll be there,” he said. "Last year, arbitration, that stunk. It’s not very fun. I want to play ball. Actually, I just want to win. That’s why I want to be in L.A. I know the talent on this team can win. Even with a lot of stuff going on this year, it reminds me when we turned it around with the Cubs [in 2008].
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101108&content_id=16038232
Why is Carroll not a valid option?
It is one thing to pay Carroll 2.5 Million while grooming DeWitt, it is another to pay Theriot 4 Million as a starter with Carroll as a backup. This team can’t afford that luxury if you want to call it luxury.
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Because Carroll will need to play SS for at least 50 games or so, too.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Hu else could do it?
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Also
if we can go into a the season with DeWitt as the starter I don’t see why we couldn’t do that with DeJesus. And if you tell me that DeWitt had more power then DeJesus, I’d probably agree but then point out that DeWitt in AAA in 2009 wasn’t much better the DeJesus in 2010.
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I like the cut of your jib
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Fun over-under question
Blake DeWitt + Ivan De Jesus Jr MLB home runs in 2011 – 8.5
Toasters don't toast toast. Toast toasts toast.
Over
Wrigley Field
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But De Jesus isn't even good enough to be our #12 prospect!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Reg tells me 2nd baseman are cheap and replaceable
if that is true then we should easily be able to replace what Theriot brings to the table without spending four million dollars.
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Just throwing this against the wall
from the org’s point of view…
1) They liked DeWitt more and thought he was better than DeJesus
2) Going with DeWitt didn’t exactly work (not all DeWitt’s fault, of course), and they traded him. Might not want to go down that road again
3) They have a “proven second baseman” in Theriot, especially defensively
I am not the biggest Theriot fan, but if I had to choose between only Theriot (at $4m) or DeJesus (at ~$415k), I would choose Theriot. Not that those are the only two options, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the goal was Lilly
but to get him we had to add DeWitt and they had to add Theriot so we’d have a 2nd baseman.
I don’t understand option 1 here. It was not an option headed into 2010. If we did not have Carroll as our back up I would agree with you but since we do, I think they can take that route. They can also simply make Carroll the starting 2nd baseman and have DeJesus as the valid backup who can play 2nd, SS, and 3rd.
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I’m saying they viewed 2009 DeWitt higher than 2010 DeJesus.
Regarding the Lilly trade, the deal could have been done without DeWitt (Colletti said so himself), but it appears the prospect cost would have been too high. I agree about the “since we are including DeWitt, you have to give us Theriot” part though.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I meant to say 2010 DeWitt and 2011 DeJesus there.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
At the end of 2010 I would agree
because DeWitt had already played and impressed Torre. However DeJesus is now doing the same thing with Mattingly, I’d be shocked if there is any concern about DeJesus’s defense at 2nd base, I’d be even more surprised if it is not as good as Theriots. I think the fact he’s now taking balls at 3rd base means they want to know if he can be the total utility infielder.
I honestly don’t know why they would want Theriot at 4 Million over Carrol/DeJesus unless they really like Theriot. Carroll seems to be a better player in all aspects and with DeJesus on the roster he can get plenty of rest.
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I was just about to say that I like this plan — Carroll is the opening day 2B, with De Jesus backing up, and De Jesus becomes the starter when Furcal gets injured…
…but I think back to what Last Year’s Humma would say if he saw This Year’s Humma endorse Carroll as the every day 2B. I don’t like it. Jamey proved a lot this year but I still think that he’s best suited as a backup. Is it too much to ask him to put up 100 OPS+ again if he plays every day?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but he only has to put up a 70 OPS to be better then Theriot at 1.5 Million less.
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That is a good point.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Last year I was livid
we signed Carroll to a two year deal. So anything I say here has to be taken with a grain of salt because in the end, that was a great deal for us.
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To put that in perspective
Ryan Theriot really sucks and anyone paying him anything over a million dollars is doing baseball a disservice.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml
Give me Uribe or even Renteria at 2nd before you give me Theriot in 2011.
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How much does Uribe get if Theriot can manage $2.5/3 million?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I really want to know this
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He had a better year in 2009 then in 2010
and was still looking for a job when he re-signed with the Giants because none were forthcoming. World Series exposure will help but baseball is not littered with teams who need 2nd baseman.
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I would totally take Renteria
at 2nd base over Theriot for the same money. Meaning if I had both of them on my bench and I was making out the lineup I’d always take Renteria. Assuming Renteria was healthy:)
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Because they have a lot of free agents
and sadly Huff is better then Loney, Uribe is better then Theriot.
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They have a lot of free agents
and they might come fairly cheap
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I am going to throw Bill Hall out there again. For the same money that we are going to pay Theriot, I think we can get Bill Hall. He could get most of the time at 2B, but he could play some 3B and LF.
His 2009 numbers give me pause
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Dude is whack
one brilliant year
one awful year in a part time role
then alot of okay to good
At this point I’m simply trying to take the money saved at 2nd and use it elsewhere. Signing Hall means using money I don’t think we need to spend.
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I’m starting to like the save money at 2B plan with Carroll and De Jesus.
But we’re gonna need some people to vote for him in the other thread. He’s losing!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I could agree if we are going go with DeJesus/Carroll at 2B and Barajas/Ellis at C and then use the money saved to get Dunn. Otherwise we are going to have incrementally upgrade at several positions.
or Beltre at 3rd
or Werth or Crawford or Konerko
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That does seem to be the best option
Furcal SS
Carroll 2B
Sluggardly Slugger 1B/3B/LF?
Ethier
Kemp
Blake (plays 1B if Beltre is signed, otherwise 3B)
Loney (if Werth/Crawford) or LF AAAA platoon (if Dunn/Beltre)
Catcher
That’s not a good lineup, but it’s not terrible and I could root for that team.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
That really does sound like the best plan. Only concern is that Carroll has never played full time, and I remember hearing his durability being the reason (though the numbers don’t actually back that up)
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
It even looked like that was true
during the summer, then he caught a 2nd wind so maybe instead of a guy who wears down, maybe he gets better the more he plays.
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I agree with Phil, Ryan Theriot wasn’t the grand prize at the end of the rainbow.
If the Dodgers really need to get creative to sign or trade an impact bat, that should mean that they should get ready to cut players on the margins. Cutting guys like Theriot who is projected to get $4 million, and other players like Martin, and Sherrill, and giving that salary to a guy like Crawford or Werth makes more sense to me.
Even if they do cut Theriot, you can re-sign him or somebody else to a $1 million contract. Ryan Theriot can’t think he can get $4 million on the open market, so why give it to him?
No, but I’d imagine he could get more than $1 million, no? Maybe something like the $2.6 he got in arb this year?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Kelly Johnson was coming off an injury-plagued (346 PA) and shitty 2009 when he got non-tendered, and got $2.35m from Arizona. Theriot’s good for at least $3m or so on the open market.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 9, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Agree with this. We can’t afford to be paying Theriot and Sherrill $4M when we could use that money to go to a higher impact player.
Just a few thoughts
1. They want Carroll to be available to play 3-4 times a week to b/u Blake, Furcal, maybe play against lefties and play second.
2. All this talk about Loney and Theriot really doesn’t mean much until we know who they tender a contract with (or if they sign a first/second baseman).
3. Second base is down on their list of priorities, starting and relief pitching, left field, catcher. (then first and second base).
4. The Dodgers will never compete with the Yankees for a player so stop talking about Cliff Lee.
5. I could see them waiting to see if a player like Quentin gets non-tendered but don’t know about them dealing Loney (unless they do plan to go for a Konerko-type,)
6. The Lilly deal almost by itself means that the Dodgers will not go in to 2011 with any starting position player not having 2-3 years of MLB experience.
If we do cut Theriot for Carroll, we could sign Willie Bloomquist or something to fill the Carroll role.
It’s not the most productive idea, but it saves money.
by regfairfield on Nov 9, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Problem with signing Bloomquist
is that managers tend to play him.
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Just look at that arm!
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Yesterday was the first day on the new job and was pretty overwhelming. Plus IE 6 is apparently the standard browser and it didn’t play well with the TBLA site, so I had to install Chrome.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I hate your company already
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I figured we wouldn't hear from you for at least two weeks
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I like this
but I can’t figure out if it’s Matt Stairs home run ball, Donnie Baseball’s managerial career, or George Steinbrenner’s soul ascending into heaven.
I'm hoping #2
Definitely not #3, no way Steinbrenner heads that direction :D
Just for fun. MLBTR writers post their predictions on where FAs end up
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tA_e1uO9bmOtok7ngLx6-KA&hl=en&authkey=CP6mo98K#gid=0
Not surprisingly, not a lot of guys predicted to go to the Dodgers. Coupla votes for JJ Putz going to LA. Meh.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
JJ Putz isn’t the last thing the Dodgers need, but it might be second-to-last.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
As a matter of fact, no, we don’t.
But we need Jeff Francoeur even less, so Putz can take that to the bank!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yah team definitely doesn't need any more putzes
{sorry, sorry}
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Is he Type A? If so, that would be the nightmare scenario that all the scoreboard watchers who rooted for the Dodgers to lose at the end of last year were afraid of.
by Michael White on Nov 9, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
isn't our pick protected?
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Putz is a Type B - List of Type A Free agents
Bronson Arroyo — 80.033 – club option
Grant Balfour — 72.923
Adrian Beltre — 81.633 – player option
Carl Crawford — 85.128
Jorge de la Rosa — 74.422
Scott Downs — 76.352
Adam Dunn — 74.167
Frank Francisco — 73.171
Jason Frasor — 73.383
Vladimir Guerrero — 80.000 – mutual option
Matt Guerrier — 79.569
Ramon Hernandez — 74.517
Derek Jeter — 91.304
Paul Konerko — 78.095
Jason Kubel — 80.000 – club option
Cliff Lee — 87.500
Derrek Lee — 74.167
Ted Lilly — 80.116
Victor Martinez — 87.054
Bengie Molina — 72.321
Magglio Ordonez — 77.436
Carl Pavano — 75.568
Andy Pettitte — 80.492
A.J. Pierzynski — 80.804
Manny Ramirez — 76.154
Arthur Rhodes — 72.229
Mariano Rivera — 88.830
Takashi Saito — 69.657
Rafael Soriano — 91.799
Miguel Tejada — 76.720
Matt Thornton — 86.214 – club option exercised
Billy Wagner — 83.313
Jayson Werth — 91.807
Dan Wheeler — 74.673 – club option
Takashi Saito — 69.657
I love Saito, but that right there is your nightmare scenario if your pick is not protected.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 9, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Segways nicely into Adam Dunn
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I'd buy that for a dollar
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Garcia...DeJesus and BCG
These guys would end the top 15 for me they way the voting as gone..
Garcia..high potential of guys left..
Dejesus..solid 2b who could be like ODOG
BCG..unheralded OF who can play RF and occ CF who just produces better than anybody expects. The only real downside on BCG is he doesn’t walk much..but if he hits 20+ hrs and hits .300 who cares..put him in #5/6 slot. He doesn’t K much and is a contact swinger like Vlad.
BCG
has to prove he can hit more advanced pitching. He is already getting old in prospect years.
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