MLB Network To Name 20 Greatest Games Of Last 50 Years
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:00 PM PST
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PrintMLB Network is trying to determine the 20 greatest games of the last 50 years, and to determine the top 20 games the network came up with a list of 50 games, and will whittle them down to 20. They have a "blue ribbon panel" that will determine the final 20, but fan votes will be considered as well. You can vote for your favorite games here, between now and January 1.
There are seven Dodger games among the 50 nominees, four with a favorable outcome, three with a bad outcome:
- Game 4 of the 1963 World Series: Sandy Koufax vs. Whitey Ford
- September 9, 1965: Sandy Koufax's perfect game
- Game 6 of the 1977 World Series: Reggie Jackson hits three homers
- October 3, 1982: Joe Morgan's home run knocks the Dodgers out of the playoffs
- Game 5 of the 1985 NLCS: Ozzie Smith takes Tom Niedenfuer deep
- Game 4 of the 1988 NLCS: Mike Scioscia takes Gooden deep, Kirk Gibson's homer wins it, Orel Hershiser saves it
- Game 1 of the 1988 World Series: Mike Davis steals second, scores tying run off Dennis Eckersley
Sadly, the 4+1 Game didn't make the list, but that's a pretty good group of games to choose from. The top 20 games will be revealed on MLB Network starting on January 3.
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Bob Crane
Still dead.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Crane
Still useful for lifting heavy stuff.
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Ichabod Crane
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Icabod was the nickname that my late StepFather gave me as a kid LOL
I miss him!!!!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
(shakes fist)
HOOOOOOOOOGGGGGAAAANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
i'd like to see
game 4 of the 1988 NLCS. I think that game gets overshadowed by the WS game.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:10 PM PST reply actions
Excuse me while I whip this (DVD of Game 4 of the 1988 NLCS) out.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I always assumed they only played 1 game that World Series
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
My ticket to Game 2 would have no value otherwise!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
main reason i'd love a Dodger network
so they could show these classic games more often :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Minor league baseball would be awesome.
by Michael White on Dec 15, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
that's
reason 2 :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Bob Costas to Vera Clemente (Roberto's widow)
“Where did you and Roberto find cuisine that reminded you of home, in Pittsburgh.”
Vera C: “I used to cook”
(This was a question prompted by Batman, BTW)
That’s as badass a statement as Prince saying “If I wanted to hear new music, I’d make some.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
before she even answered the question
I was like, “Well, can’t she just cook their food at home?”
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ooooooh
nice shot my Stoudamire, but not in time
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:45 PM PST reply actions
by*
me drinking
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
When a shot from the block
Comes just after the clock
That’s Amar’e
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
yes
you and Humma drinking together?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
nicely done. and it’s green.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
I realize now
that Martin signing with the Yanks means the last link to 4+1 is gone. :*/
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Was anybody here at 4+1? Being at that game was one my most excellent experiences of my life.
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
That was the only game I went to that year. I think have still have the fleece blanket.
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
He
stayed
http://www.truebluela.com/story/2007/9/7/17213/00639
he left
http://www.truebluela.com/story/2007/9/12/20132/5811
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Thanks for posting that. I wasn’t suppose to go to that game. I was invited a few hours before the game because my friend broke up with her girlfriend and needed somebody to go with. Luckily my friend didn’t even try to convince me to leave early. That was the first game where I had really bonded with the people I were sitting in my section. We were all pounding on the back of eachother’s seats. High fives with people I didn’t know after every big hit. Sounds so cheesy.
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
I have never been able to bring myself to leave a Dodger game early. Other teams….yes. But I guess it’s a different experience if you go to games all the time.
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I was at the game before. Russell Martin hit a rare HR off Cla Meredith (he was great that year) to tie the game late, but the Dodgers lost 2-1.
It was not as exciting of a game.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
It seemed like Russell Martin was really tearing it up around that time. I would have never guessed he would be gone now
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'd have liked to see Game 7, 1965
considering it may have been one of the greatest pitched games in WS given the context.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Koufax
is all that is man.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
After a four hit shutout in game five
that would be 18 innings, seven hits, in two days against the best hitting team in the AL. Last game on the road.
How is that not one of the top 50 games in the history of baseball?
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I mean game four in 63 meant nothing
we already had won three games in a row, the WC was just a formality.
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If they went with 1963
I might pick Game 1…same pitching matchup, only Koufax set a record with 15 K.
Although the Yankees getting swept was newsworthy, I guess.
I’m with you, Game 7 in 1965 over either one.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
i say it was newsworthy
have they ever been before or since swept in a World Series?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Man I'm an idiot
The Giants swept the Yankees in 1922.
Fuck 1963 then! :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
giants don’t count :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
So in retro
why pick that game?
As you said game one was much better, the Yankee’s thought they were going to clean the Dodgers clock.
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The Yankees weren’t swept in 1922. One game ended in a tie.
by Bob Timmermann on Dec 15, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
The next year the commissioner of baseball announced that this time, the World Series counts.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 15, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
The Commissioner that day (Landis) was so pissed off that the game was called a tie that he confiscated all the gate receipts for charity. It wasn’t raining and it was still sunny.
by Bob Timmermann on Dec 15, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
1963 was my favorite
Payback for the Yankees winning all those WS over Brooklyn.
Showing them that Koufax, Drysdale and Podres were the best pitching trio in MLB.
(had to listen to the games on my transistor radio under my coat at school, earpiece in my ear)
It was the best!
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
If you take the 65 series as a whole it works, but in terms of a single game it doesn’t. It wasn’t even the best game that week.
His first game in the series was more dominant. Am I mixing up my games, or wasn’t his first game the WS k record?
63 Game One
Yes you are mixing up your world series’s.
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always amuses me
seeing the highlights of that Game 7 in ‘65…after Koufax strikes out the last batter, everyone just walks to the dugout with as much enthusiasm as modern players show after winning a game in June. So subdued, it’s just strange to see.
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Better man than I, but that’s no standard.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
wow seriously?
i have sad now. I know he was old. but damn, what a guy. I remember that studio 42 with Bob Costas interview he had. When Bob asked him about the potential wins he lost from serving in WWII, he said something like, “That was a war we had to win, so I don’t miss those wins one bit.” That’s just too awesoke. RIP Mr. Feller.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that too...
Seemed like a real class guy. Had a helluva arm too.
RIP Mr. Feller
Excellent....
Dammit
the 1960 game started at 05:00 not 08:00.
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Very
He had to leave the game. Yankee fans were all choked up about it.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
it was a thing! Washington Post, Nixon, y’know, conspiracies
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Looking at the games
I remember the epic game with the Astro’s in the playoffs in which they of course lost. That was one of the best games I ever watched.
If your a baseball fan and have never seen that game, I heartily recommend it.
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That game was so good.
I love that the Rick Camp game from July 4, 1985 is on the list. I would love to watch that one. Fireworks at 3:30am are kickass.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Glad to see the 1988 NLCS game
that Scoscia won made it.
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Former Dodger Joel Hanrahan
…’s brother was a former minor league pitcher, and tweeted this:
RIP Bob Feller. He signed a ball from my first HS No-hitter…big baller!
Poor Cub fans
only misery on that list.
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I'm sorry.....
But the world needs the Cubs to lose. It’s a life lesson.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Just glad the
Drew/Kent Fiasco of 2006 did not make the list
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ugh
one of the few times i’ve ever seen my dad actually PISSED at a ball game.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
He must have been out of Dr. Pepper
I was at a bar on a “long lunch break,” and just remembered that I made it a point to have one more beer than I had planned after that play.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Lost in everything on that play
was that Boom Boom Betemit had sucked against LHP all year, yet he hit a long opposite field shot that should have changed the dynamics of the game for the good of the Dodgers instead of what we got.
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I'm drawing a blank...
I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I thought I knew all Dodger trivia, but this escapes me. Maybe it’s because I, too, hate J.D.Drew.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Kent and Drew
both getting tagged out at home? against the Mets?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Oh!
I just thought it was a standard bonehead play, kinda like walking home with 2 outs, while Russell get tagged out over running 2nd for the 3rd out. You know, normal Dodger baserunning.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
blarg
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
1st & 2nd, 0 out in the 2nd
Single to RF (Fly Ball); Kent out at Hm/RF-2B-C; Drew out at Hm/C; Martin to 2B/Adv on throw to Hm
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
>:I
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
And the fucking Mets then had to go and blow it against the 83-79 Cardinals. Fuck you, Mets, for blowing it. That was your year.
Karma — who, it must be noted, is a bitch — got you back with an epic collapse the following year. Serves you right.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
And the critical homer from Yadier Molina. He was their Ruiz.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 15, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
That relay, of course, old friend Shawn Green to old friend Jose Valentin to old friend Paul LoDuca.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 16, 2010 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
heh
he doesn’t drink Dr. Pepper, for different reasons then me. But he was pissed that day. He also never really liked JD Drew. He hates him now more for the dishonesty in the negotiations then that mental lapse.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I would say that makes my
top five angriest moments in my Baseball Dodger life.
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I was listening on the radio at work
i scared everyone by yelling, “WHAT THE HELL!?!?!” I don’t know how i refrained from saying Fuck to this day.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Twin relievers are cleaning up
and isn’t Rauch still available?
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LIke to see
how they do this year, and I bet they do just fine even with losing those guys.
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Not the best measure, but even without Nathan the Twins had a 3.49 bullpen ERA, 8th in MLB and 4th in AL
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Proof
That they’re still spending on the ’pen and could afford Brox if they wanted him and a trade was on the table.
What would could we get straight up for Broxton?
I know prospects or money and or both are usually included in most deals but I’m just trying to get an idea of what he would net.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I don’t know. We’ve all discussed Brox for Quentin but that isn’t going to happen. I’m sure Broxton could fetch us some decent prospects, but Ned doesn’t make those deals. I’m guessing we keep him since he probably won’t get us a LFer any better than Bill Hall.
I agree with your point
I also agree that if I were GM I would want cost controlled prospects but like you said that’s not Ned’s MO. If you were to take a stab in the dark who is the best player we could net straight up for Broxton? Would you guess Quentin even if that deal is not going to happen? I thought Broxton was a more valuable player than that?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hal Smith goes yard
love watching Yogi turn around
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this game
is awesoke.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Bob Costas asked Smith about feeling like he was three outs from being a household name.
Smith: “I guess.”
Classic.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
That coat looks a bit large for Hall doesn't it?
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funny about these guys
is that when they say, “I had a job to do” they really meant it. There weren’t making a ton of money like the guys today.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Which is why the World Series share was so important
at that point they all had 2nd jobs in the offf season.
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and if he didn't need to work a second job
Campy could have still been walking……
another guy to awesoke for words
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think of all the baseball jobs I've seen
what Bob Costa’s does for these is what I’d most like to do.
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that has to be so cool
to basically talk with all the greats.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
To go with the four metal plugs in his skull. Zimmer is only three years older than my father; Zimmer seems older though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Oldest living HOF
player – Bobby Doerr 92.
Stan the Man Musial is now the oldest living HOF by induction class (Musial was inducted in 1969), he just turned 90.
D-backs
close with Xavier Nady
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:34 PM PST reply actions
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
i'd have liked him
oh well
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
So many hero's in this game, so many, but only one remembered.
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that's why it's so great
that this game was found in it’s entirerity. Thanks Bing!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Bing Crosby?
I’m unaware of how this game came to be found. Do they talk about it in the beginning?
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There was an article explaining in the Times, just after MLB planned to televise it.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Here's the story
http://www.businessinsider.com/bing-crosbys-secret-baseball-tapes-2010-12
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
He was part owner of the team
and had a shit load of old movie reels of game footage and other stuff. It was discovered earlier this year by Bing’s biographer.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
yes Bing Crosby
he was part owner of the Pirates, and he was so convinced he was jinxing the team by watching, he left the country before game seven, but he got them to record it for him. It was was discovered in his wine celler, all intact
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
And there was the Clemente arm on display
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so great
but what if he hadn’t played the majority of his career hurt…….man…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
No helmets
hate to say I love no helmets
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Old school
FTW
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Might be the first time
I’ve see a full Yogi at bat.
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Didn’t you see him live a bunch back in the day?
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
I was in Germany from 65 -68 so I saw no baseball,
Did see Mantle hit the home run off of Denny McLain for his last home run.
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Impressive. Was it a gift by McLain, or was he just paying off a debt?
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Gift
it was on National TV, and Denny just laid it in for him in his last at bat.
Of course Baseball Ref should killed my memory of it.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET196809190.shtml
He did hit the home run but it was not his last game, he hit another the next day. Dammit
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Just imagine
living in one city and being able to watch Mantle, Mays, and Snider
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so...............
awesoke.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
…and being able to do so after school by riding a bike or a train and paying $.25 to sit in the bleachers!
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Guerrier's agent
is Joe Bick, the same agent as Brian Giles (and one of I believe two agents to return my emails!). Tony Jackson caught up with Bick, who (sort of) confirmed the reports of two-year deals with higher average annual values than the Dodgers’ offer.
I am not clicking on the links. I am just posting to say that if this is not posturing and Jansen comes out of camp anywhere but on the goddam Major League Roster, my ire will rise to Pierzynski levels of bile.
Which means, of course, that I will write a strongly worded letter.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn’t help myself and clicked on the link. New theory: when Billingsley gets traded for a LF, Padilla gets promoted to the rotation and Jansen’s spot is guaranteed.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
Ned sees that TBLA still lists him as a prospect and thinks he needs more seasoning.
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What - not one K in the whole game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blown away
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crazy
CRAZY AWESOKE!!!!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one surprised by his name not being dropped as a Dodger outfield solution? I’m not a big Nady fan, but when you are courting Pods and Hall, why not Nady?
Don't know
we talked about him in Oct/Nov but not much since. Price seems right.
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He looks healthy enough
to beat the Raiders again
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Because he always pussed out and ran out of bounds.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
He ran through and over people, but was smart enough to retire at a young age.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
When you’re that good an actor, and have something to fall back on, it’s an easy choice. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
I still don’t know how he didn’t win an Oscar for “The Dirty Dozen”.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Or “Force 10 From Navaronne” for that matter.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
How does it compare to OJ in Capricorn One?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
No
They asked the Pirates to stand, only about five from my count.
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Oh…I’m recording and will watch it later. Well, it is 50 years gone by, so any survivors are minimum 70. Not all can live as long as you, Phil.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Harvey Haddix the man
who lost while pitching one of the greatest games in history
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I had a book called “Greatest Sports Feats” or something like that when I was a kid. His 12 inning perfecto and Larsen’s perfecto WS game (“97 pitches”) were two of my favorites.
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
The postgame interview
by Bob Prince was hilarious. He must have talked to every player on the Pirates team, plus a Pirate exec, and also Giles, the NL President, in like 3 minutes. Rapid fire questioning. Much better than today’s media-coached athlete responses.
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Pretty nice recap of events of the Cliff Lee signing with the Phillies, by Jerry Crasnick of ESPN. The deal was all but dead on Sunday, but then it wasn’t!
Bob Feller rememberence
going on right now.
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Makes Strasburg seem like Jim Neidlinger.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta love a line
where he walked over 200 and struck out over 200 in the same year.
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He’d be murdered on this blog and on the trading block by all of the GM’s in here
by KellyStephen on Dec 15, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
and he wouldn't be an ace
by media standards, too many walks :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
he'd be in AA
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
HIs career
from 17 – 22 was > then probably 90% of the history of major league pitchers. 112 Wins, 1223 K’s before joining the war effort .
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Bob Feller
led the AL in wins for five straight full seasons (broken up by the war):
1939, 1940, 1941: led AL in wins
missed 1942-1944, pitched 9 games in 1945
1946, 1947: led AL in wins
Back when wins meant something
because it was you not your bullpen who dictated how many runs you gave up.
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She is hooked up
with a person named Skippy?
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porn?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
or are there OTHER losers you wish to speak to online?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
other then us I mean
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
This is funny
from Jayson Stark, on Bob Feller:
In ’97 WS Robb Nen threw pitch 102 mph. Asked Feller if he ever threw 102. He said: “Hell that was my changeup!”
LOL
that’s great.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Off topic
With many of the good middle relievers signed any idea why Dodgers and Bill Hall can’t get together yet. Does the whole delay indicate a trade is on the way.
How about Belisario for Cameron. Red Sox need a RP and we need an OF. Or maybe trade Belisario,Lindblom,and Paul to the Nationals for Willingham.
why do you think
paul or belassario OR lindblom could headline any trade for a worthwile player?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Maybe Belisario and prospects for Willingham. We are more likely to trade Belisario than Broxton. Willingham would be a perfect fit for us in LF and in the middle of the order..
by dodgers4life on Dec 15, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Bellasario
has all that much value
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Which is a polite way of saying
YCTPYDWFPYD.
Forgive me, I’ve been drinking gin.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
aye
the first hint, is probably the fact that you want to trade those players
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
You can't ask me
I want to trade Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, James Loney, Rafael Furcal, Kenley Jansen, Hong-Chih Kuo, Jonathan Broxton, and any other player that might have any value whatsoever, with the exception of Clayton Kershaw, who I want to sign to a long-term deal.
YCTPYDWFPYD? Maybe, but that is a lot of players.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
not really the same thing
and you know it!
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
but but but
deliasman says you can’t go home again
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
he says you can't
but he wishes you could (beltre)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone liked this season of Top Chef?
I hope Antonia wins.
The rest of the prior season’s losers i never really liked anyway.
At some point they need to do a best of Top Chef…where all the winners come back and compete.
Guerrier may be expensive but he has a REALLY good curve. It just drops off the table. It looks like he can hit 93 with the fastball.
I can learn to live with this; he might be fun to watch everyday.
I would have no problem with it
if we had a more competent LF
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I was just watching some video too
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4544747
I like his delivery and his stuff. We will be seeing a lot of this guy in 2011.
Willingham
If the Dodgers could get Willingham that would be great. I think it would take Belly, X Paul and one other prospect. It would make sense from our point. Wondering at this point if his salary is too high for us
why not discuss it with d4l
who posted that like 3 comments above
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Could simply be a case of reply fail.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Comment failed
David, thanks for the explanation. Did have a problem replying to d41 and then went back to something else.
by wineracquet on Dec 15, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
so since we have unlimited funds
how about that Beltran trade? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 15, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions
I honestly cannot believe that they have agreed to terms with Guerrier while not locking up left field. And when the left fielder turns out to be Bill Hall, I will, at that time, not be able to believe that Hall+Guerrier money could not be put to use on a left fielder that might actually not suck.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 15, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
With that money and a trade
While the bullpen needed some help, still think if the Dodgers could get Beltre, you would also solve LF with the Blake/Gibbons platoon. I wish but know it isn’t happening.
But when Bill Hall arrives and you add Matt G’s salary, Hall’s probably 4million-you will be halfway to the annual Beltre salary.
by wineracquet on Dec 15, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
There was quite a few options available this off-season for strengthening the offense.
Most obvious to me was non-tendering Loney and signing Adam Dunn.
Uribe’s ok, but you wonder if the Dodgers could have traded something to the Marlins for Uggla. The Braves got him fairly cheap.
Lance Berkman would have been nice as well.
Beltre – ditto.
If the Dodgers are averse to signing anyone for longer than a 3yr deal, then its going to be very difficult to build a good team. The best players generally sign for longer than that.
Nate Robinson needs a course or two on celebrating
by Alex41592 on Dec 15, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That one was almost as bad as.....
Dave Dravecky. Breaking his arm on a pitch.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Why is everybody hating on Guerrier?
It seems like a majority of people are saying that the Dodgers overpaid for him. The fact is, the upper-echelon of relievers have all been signing multiple-year contracts for $4-5 million per year. And you can never have enough pitching, especially when you have a guy like Broxton as your closer…One (of many) Dodger weaknesses last year was finishing out games out and adding a proven pitcher like Guerrier can only help to solve this issue. Now, about that starting left-fielder….
by Nicholas Gentili on Dec 15, 2010 11:33 PM PST reply actions
Gurrier is a good pitcher
But he is not in the upper echelon of relievers. For the most part, three years or longer for ANY reliever is a terrible deal, outside of the true elite relievers.
And the very fact that the Dodgers commited this money to a relative strength (especially given the strength and depth of their improved starting staff, which will help the bullpen) while literally not having a starting-capable left fielder is the most frustrating part about the Guerrier deal
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
he gets people out
but he doesn’t get them out in a sustainable fashion for statheads, so they think he’ll eventually crash and burn given his age, and he is overpaid. This seems to be the market rate, though. If it prevents another outfielder from coming, or just means Bill Hall in LF, it’s not the best use of funds.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
When everyone else is spending ~$3-4m per year on multiple-year deals for middle relievers
It’s time to invoke the War Games clause: the only winning move is not to play.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Casey Blake
Was interviewed by the Des Moines Register in a rather long article, which was forwarded by Dylan Hernandez. Among the highlights:
Blake and his family will vacation in the Colorado mountains next week with close friend Cliff Lee and his family. Per their MLB contracts, Blake & Lee can’t ski or snowboard.
Blake and his wife are expecting child number five in February.
Juan Uribe is a “good guy.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions
In a related story
Blake OPS’d .827 in May, 9 months before February.
Score one for getting some.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dodgers good in the begining of the year-Blake having baby
Considering your post and where the Dodgers OPS went after the All Star Break maybe girlfriends and wives were not around enough?
I'm LTTP, but, nice interview, thanks.
Now, why didn’t Casey use his wiles to bring Lee to the Dodgers, if they’re such good friends?!
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Dec 16, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I know there was a value a couple of years ago but....
Broxton/Loney- are they worth anything to any other team given their monetary obligations? I see Broxton having way more value than Loney but still feel as though it’s the lowest it’s ever been, and I can’t see someone viewing Loney as an upgrade to what they most likely already have.
I’d love to be able to quote Harry from Dumb & Dumber if Ned could pull off a great deal
NED- “Just when I thought you couldn’t get any Dumber….you go and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!”
Let’s just hope if a deal gets done that we’ll be able to get 50 miles to the gallon on this hog!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I think there are still a few GM’s that you could sell Loney on. “Look at the RBI’s! He plays the position really well! He’s not the slowest guy on the team! He’ll feel right at home in Houston!”
With Broxton, you just have to keep saying, “He threw 102 in San Diego! 102!”
Keeping Loney value down at the moment
Was the plethora of free agent first baseman. Why trade for someone when you can simply sign Overbay/ LaRoche/ D Lee and probably get them cheaper with more production?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I like this comment Prosellis
Throw in the adjectives “gritty & grinder” and you may be on to something here!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
isn't Petco
where Chapman threw 105?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
and 8 mph slow when Brad Penny runs his fingers through his hair
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Eric:
can you edit Fanpost subjects? Please fix the “Kurt Gibson” fanpost. It amkes me queasy.
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
We can't change history
just how we view it.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
cross him off the list then.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Two Minor Leaguers is what they are saying
Agreed about Michael Taylor, but A’s have prospects and players to burn-if they can just get some legitimate hitting
I'd already given up on that idea
but would’ve been nice to have had a shot at him. Maybe Dodgers were worried about arbitration raise or cost in trade?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He's an idiot anyway
I hear he does good impressions, but he’s a non-actor and was the big-time weak link in The Usual Suspects.
I'm gonna tweet-block him
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Where in the podcast does he say it? So I can hear the evidence
before tweeting it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Somewhere near the 20 minute mark of the Colin Hanks episode.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
It's about 33 mins in
actually. And there it is!
In my doghouse Kev! You can be a Giants fan, fine, but don’t call that beautiful landmark a shit hole!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Does Bill Hall have a twitter account or anything? I have to think Ned is working on some trade ideas considering the hold-up.
I can't believe
that they are going to reduce Russo’s sentence.
by Greg Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Just noticed
Neil Diamond will be inducted into the Rock & Roll HOF in 2011. Ha!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Smart Move
for the coming contract year
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
maybe
he just figured out pork isn’t part of a vegan diet?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
After what happened with his dad, I have to think Fielder will be looking for every last penny with his new contract.
I knew his relationship with his dad was bad
but I didn’t know it was this bad.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
When Ned called Milwaukee asking for Prince
Ned never got through to anyone live, but heard this outgoing message:
“Sorry, I’m not home again. I’m walking into spiderwebs. Leave a message, and I’ll call you back.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Amazon has 20 early Alfred Hitchcock films
for $5.49, total. These are the films:
1. Alfred Hitchcock Presents: The Chaney Vase
2. Alfred Hitchcock Presents: The Sorcerer’s Apprentice
3. Blackmail
4. Champagne (Silent)
5. Easy Virtue (Silent)
6. Farmer’s Wife, The (Silent)
7. Jamaica Inn
8. Juno and the Paycock
9. Lady Vanishes, The
10. Lodger, The (Silent)
11. Man Who Knew Too Much, The
12. Manxman, The (Silent)
13. Number Seventeen
14. Rich and Strange
15. Ring, The (Silent)
16. Sabotage
17. Secret Agent
18. Skin Game, The
19. Thirty-Nine Steps, The
20. Young and Innocent
I saw Ebert tweet about that
Looks like he made it go out of stock ;)
From what I’ve heard, those DVDs are really cheap and shitty quality (not surprising). Ya get what you pay for I guess. But as a way to at least see some of those fun early films worth checking out.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
So, in Russell Martin's physical
The Yankees determined he needed knee surgery, but signed him anyway, writes Joel Sherman of the NY Post.
just saw that
wow.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Catcher with knee surgery can't be too serious :)
not like they have to spend lots of time squating or blocking the plate. Maybe it is a plastic surgery and he doesn’t want Derek Jeter to have the sexiest knees on the team.
Pretty glad we let him walk. Hip and now knee makes me think that he will battle injuries all season.
Do we know that the Dodgers were even aware of it?
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Do we know that they weren't?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Three points
1. I think kinbote is smart. Underdog too.
2. Ned’s offer to Russ suggests to me that the Dodgers didn’t know, or else didn’t see it as a big problem either.
3. I thought of Russ just now and instead imagined of a very beaten up Indiana Jones, in the scene on the ship with Karen Allen.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
So how long has his knee been a problem?
And if it dates back to the season, why do other teams’ doctors see things that ours don’t?
Their doctors aren’t based in Russia. And are actually doctors.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Ron Artest, the quote machine that just keeps giving.
Ron Artest on JaVale McGee: "I don’t think he watches tape. I think he plays video games & I think he could possibly have an atari
Start listing every player you'd like considered for LF
even if they are trade targets. Please be reasonable
Kearns
Willingham
Hall
Quentin
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I think that does it for the reasonable list. :)
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Is Ludwick reasonable?
though I think if they got him he’d play RF, moving Dre to LF.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
As long as we have ventured into the unreasonable
I bet Pujols could play a reasonable left field.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Maggs is my choice.
2/20 sounded unreasonable until the Dodgers signed Guerrier. Now, I’m like, if that doesn’t get done, you guys need to be locked up in the Kevin Malone Asylum for the Criminally Insane.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Maggs is gonna re-sign with the Tigers
so we best move on from that (sometimes a great) notion.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If we are considering Hall and Kearns, what is so repulsive about Jermaine Dye? He wouldn’t be my first choice but he seems as reasonable as some of the other names out there.
he’s about as bad as Gibbons in the OF i believe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
way things are going
you’ll have plenty of moments
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Had a 102 OPS+ in his last year, missed a year, and plays absolutely terrible defense.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
So he has just as many warts as some of the other names mentioned. I still fail to see what is so repulsive about him compared to the other names.
Old guys who miss a year
don’t come back. See HOF Ryan Sandberg.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
When
he was able to play.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Edmonds didn’t have a -1.3 WAR in his last year.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Most of that was defense was it not
so I’ll just throw that out.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Sub Manny level. Bill Hall had a higher OPS+ than Dye did though.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously he wouldn’t be the first choice, but when we are looking at names like Hall and Kearns for LF and our current situation is Gibbons and Gwynn, he can’t be discounted so quickly.
Yeah but once you get passed Hall, you’re entering “I would rather have Scotty Pods” territory.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
He is a leftie
If Oakland gets Willinghmam would consider Ryan Sweeney even though he is a leftie
what about Conor Jackson then
he’s a RH and a platoon would probably keep him healthy.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
We need an Upton on our team……not so reasonable
by Tommy Told Me To Bleed Blue on Dec 16, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions
BJ maybe
Justin not at all
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Okay now lets work from this list - Anyone else
Trade Targets Expensive
BJ Upton
Mike Cameron
Carlos Beltran
Willingham
Quentin
Trade Targets Cheaper
Ryan Sweeney
Ryan Ludwick
Free Agents Costly
Magglio Ordonez
Johnny Damon
Free Agents Cheaper
Conor Jackson
Podboy
Rick Ankiel
Scott Hairston
Jerry Hairston
Jermaine Dye
Kearns
Hall
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I don't think Conor Jackson is a FA
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Not that it would happen, but Milledge.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
forgot about him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
so does Brad Hawpe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Would Quentin require more than Broxton?
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
he would require something different then Broxton
since the White Sox are not going to pay $7 million for a setup guy to Thornton.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Come on
They would trade him because they want to upgrade. if Xavier Paul was an upgrade we wouldn’t be looking for a left fielder.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
They reportedly have prioritized the bullpen.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
This is not true
Teams make trades from a team needs perspective all the time without necessarily having an upgrade. If they deemed they needed a reliever more than a oft-injured power-hitting, terrible defensive, borderline non-tendered left fielder, then they might make the trade without having a huge upgrade at that position.
I’m not saying they want Broxton, but maybe they would trade Quentin for a relievers and stick Teahen out there.
Right
they let Jenks go so they could then trade their 3rd best hitter for expensive closers. How silly of me to think the White Sox aren’t fucking idiots.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Right
you meant relief pitchers who were late for spring training, didn’t pitch very well, then went on rehab assignment. Of course that is what they are looking for.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I mean he did just give Jesse Crain 3 years, that ain’t the actions of a rational man.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Not for Belli, I agree, but he is supposedly looking for bullpen help, and he is supposedly hoping to move Quentin too.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
i've heard varying reports on that
Apparently he’s said he wouldn’t move a guy from his everyday lineup for pen help, but then it was heard he wanted a “Carlos Lee” type return for Quentin. Also reported that he might look to trade Viciendo or Teahan.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
If he’s being literal about that, he wants a salary dump where he gets a decent, cheap player in return.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
So Teahan for relief help is what I get out of this because he’s not moving his young 3rd baseman, he’s not moving his power hitting OF for relief help. He’s not Ned.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t propose any trade. All I’m saying is that teams make trades all the time based on what they deem a higher priority. For them, it could be solid relievers more than having Quentin. They have a guy like Teahen they could put in LF. Is he an upgrade to Quentin? Obviously not, but that doesn’t mean they might not move Quentin to get relievers they want.
I don’t think the fact that Jenks is expensive is what got him DFA’d. I think the fact that he fucking sucks got him DFA’d.
Do, do, do you have it?
Not a case you want to make if you’re trying to give them Broxton.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Broxton at least sucked for only 3 months and due to blatant overuse. Jenks fell off the wagon a couple years ago.
Do, do, do you have it?
Better xFIP than Rafael Soriano.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Don't see anything wrong with Jenk's peripherals
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8645&position=P
in fact they looked better in 2010 then at any time of his career, looks like some bad luck with BABIP, and the walk rate climbed.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
XP and Bellasario have value why?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I don’t think you are playing along with Phil’s parameters.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
No problem, I'll just ignore all of his posts
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Working under the assumption that we’d have to give up Broxton and/or Billingsley to get a LF, I’m not sure who I’ve mentioned that couldn’t be considered as trade candidate.
Do, do, do you have it?
The Angels spend more on relievers than the Dodgers, have a bajillion committed to five starters, and didn’t get Crawford. They aren’t trading Abreu.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
You put Billingsley into the parameter not me
That would be a different ballgame.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I thought "be reasonable" was the parameter
list possible guys, THEN discuss what it would take.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
My assumptions:
*I mean, the free agents are the easy ones, right. So I’m staying clear. They’ve been named.
*Assuming we’d trade from our biggest strength (pitching)
*assuming that all of our prospects are considered either not trade bait or are untradable (the Gordons, Jansens and Sands’)
*assuming we can’t trade Kershaw, Padilla, Garland, Lilly or Kuroda
*assuming we can’t trade shitty bullpen guys for a good LF
then we’re basically stuck looking at Broxton and Billingsley.
Do, do, do you have it?
Luke Scott
Just kind of trolling rosters looking for guys without a position/being forced out/shopped at this point.
Do, do, do you have it?
Okay never mind
using your method just list every fucking LF in baseball and be done with it.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think his method did that at all….damn
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
See because
I figured guys who have been moved around the diamond a few times by their teams, or are being shopped…that those are called trade candidates. If you want me to drool out the same Johnny Damon, Josh Willingham drivel then don’t ask for help.
Do, do, do you have it?
Scott is a tool
Scott is a birther….team has enough potential issues.
by wineracquet on Dec 16, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't want that guy on my team. Pass.
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Can't worry about that
when deciding to get players.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll goosestep with anyone as they’re rounding the bases after hitting a home run.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
He's not good enough for me to root for that cracker on my team. Sorry.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Scott had a higher OPS and OPS+ in 2010 than any Dodger not named Manny or Rod. Sign me up.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Bleh. You and Luke can go eat Red Vines together for all I care!
;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yes! Red Vines sound so good right now!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
It was way off his usual career numbers though.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I know
but also those career numbers seem much more preferable to most of these other options.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
RIP Blake Edwards
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2010/12/blake_edwards_dead_at_88.html
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I thought he had died long ago
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I tweeted this
I bet his coffin is lined with Owens Corning pink fiberglass insulation
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was pretty funny when he came out in the wheelchair to accept his honorary Oscar.
RIP.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone needs to go watch
A Shot in the Dark, SOB, Breakfast at Tiffany’s, Victor/Victoria and The Party. Now.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Is it just me...
or do the Angles looks pretty bad for next year?
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions
They need Beltre, but their offense has the potential to suck.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
without me looking it up
wasn’t Torii Hunter their best bat after Morales got hurt?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
and then they moved him to RF
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I imagine 2of their 4 middle infielders(kendrick izturis aybar callaspo)
will be able to bounce back to solidify the middle, but they have little pop in that lineup right now and need to do something to stop 3rd base and DH from being a blackhole of suck, and hope kazmir isn’t also a black hole of suck. I doubt they will suck.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
A healthy Kendry Morales and Adrian Beltre at third would certainly make them contenders for the AL West. When I think of bad in that division I think more along the lines of #14-1/2Org. Their starting rotation is decent.
I'd say their starting rotation is more then decent
they have Haren for a full year
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
Kazmir is the sucking hole at #5, but they have a very good top 4 (and a great 1-2)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I haven't watched him pitch in a while
What the hell happened to Kazmir?
Lost his fastball velo
didn’t he use to throw about 95?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Weaver is good
Santana is good, Piniero is a pretty good #4, but kazmir obviously is the question mark.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
They look pretty Isoscoles to me!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
don't be obtuse
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, there's three sides to every story!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Buster Olney heard this
Washington/Oakland have a deal in principal for Josh Willingham for two young players, one of whom has major league experience.
Two Young players
I think as someone mentioned earlier Taylor not carter. Carter showed far more promise last year
by wineracquet on Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
That would be a coup for the Nats.
Emilanio Bonifacio for two years of Willingham, Olsen and Michael Taylor.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
he wanted to be a Tiger
cross him off.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
The 2 year offers
where also probably not for 10 million. I’m sure his goal is to bounce back healthy and get a 2+ year after this year.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
who doesn't?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
What I've learned recently
is the East LA loop of the 5 is a death trap
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
now that Maggs is back with them
how about trading for Ryan Raburn? (Boesch would be nice too for teh powah, but I doubt they look to trade him)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather have Raburn than Boesch.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Me too
(though I’d take either) But be surprised if Tigers make either available (or if Ned is creative enough to look into it). But yes on Raburn.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
some intelligent comments actually from Tigers fans
here on MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/tigers-to-re-sign-magglio-ordonez.html
about likelihood of Boesch or Raburn being traded. They think unlikely but it sounds like with a competition going on, maybe the loser of the battle could be available in ST. Could be the kind of thing that reminds Dodgers why they could wait on adding another LF-er.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
seems most would
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I want Raburn so I can use the Match Game headline and make several dozen references to that awesome show all year.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
"Dumb Ned is so dumb..."
he mistook his cell phone for a _."
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
It makes sense that having a pitching staff with 4 starters who
win 15 games is pretty rare.
The Dodgers have only done it twice in their franchise history, 1975 and 1978. The Phillies have only one season with 3 pitchers with 15 or more wins (1966).
Impressive about 1975
since John missed all of that season undergoing his surgery.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Even more impressive
is having four 15 game winners and being 20 games back of the Division leader
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Reading the Feller stories today
make me think that he may have had Phil Mickelson’s nickname, FIGJAM
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I think what the Dodgers need
is a Walter O’Malley biopic to come out in theaters. Breaking the color line as chief legal council. Becoming the owner, flying around in a helicopter looking for west coast sites. The money the Dodgers get for the rights will be used to create a perennial winner, like the 90s Indians and the 00s Angels
Mythologies die hard
Walter O’Malley will never appear in a movie as any character other than the arch-villain who stole the Dodgers out of Brooklyn and destroyed the happy childhoods of millions of New Yorkers of a Certain Age.
If the ghost of Walter O’Malley must suffer in order for the current Dodgers to succeed, it is a small price to pay.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
“The Brats of Summer?”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, a movie about the 2009 season could be pretty good.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
In The Brats of Summer, Ned Colletti (Terry O’Quinn) should be on top of the world. He has one of the best players in baseball, Manny Ramirez (Tracy Morgan), a team of up-and-coming young stars, and owners, Frank and Jamie McCourt (Michael Douglas and Meryl Streep) who have just backed him with a five-year contract. But what on the surface appears to be a magical season is rife with ups and downs — not just on the field, but off, as the McCourts secretly split and begin one of the most acrimonious divorces in history. Colletti’s a pro who can handle on-field wins and losses — but when the backroom backstabbing comes off the sports page and onto the front page, it’s not just about baseball — it’s a whole world set to come crumbling down.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Terry O'Quinn
Don’t tell Ned what he can’t do!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Colletti is remarkably difficult to cast. Suggestions?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
J.T. Walsh had to go and die; otherwise he’d be perfect
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Bradley Whitford’s character in “The Good Guys” seems modeled on Ned.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
some notes from the studio: You can’t cast Terry O’Quinn as your lead, TV actors just aren’t ready to make that leap to the big screen. We like Peter Gallagher in that role, he’s been off TV long enough to be a real actor. Tracy Morgan can’t play Manny, that’s gotta be offensive to somebody. Plus Tracy likes to say words. Let’s go with Michael Clarke Duncan. Meryl Streep as Jamie McCourt?!? That’s supposed to be our sex appeal role. Gotta go with Sandra Bullock. We like Michael Douglas though, he’s pre-approved. Now let’s go make a movie!
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, Peter Gallagher, you once played Sky Masterson. What happened to you?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
only if there’s a tie in with a sausage company – Farmer John! We could do it like the old days, where Vin would shill for Farmer John during broadcasts on KTLA
of course my old days are fifteen years ago
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
He doesn’t do that anymore?
Everytime Vin would say something like “smoked that ball into left field”, I’d crave a Farmer John meat product.
Just kidding. I love everyone exactly the same amount.
not like the old days, where he’d have the farmer john logo on screen with him as he talked about farmer john hot dogs
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Easternmost in quality, westernmost in flavor
Which is always made me wonder how bad eastern hot dogs were, and what kind of nasty stuff they put in the western hot dogs.
now I really want a Dodger Dog. To the grocery store!
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Coney Island Dodger Dog, great idea or abomination?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
“The Real Housewife of Chavez Ravine.”
“100 Dream Parks of Summer.”
“Divorce Wars: A New Hope.”
“Frank McCourt and the Deathly Marital Agreement.”
“Plan 9 from Vladimir Shpunt’s Living Room.”
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 16, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I just remembered an embarrassing story....
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
During High School during Spring Training
There was a superhot blonde behind home plate. I had had absolutely no fear at that age and went up and sat next to her. We chatted it up and I offered to buy her a beer (still in high school mind you) and she respectfully declined. I remember wondering why she was all of a sudden focused on something completely different than our light conversation. I asked her what’s wrong, she replied that she is supposed to pay attention when her boyfriend is up….my heart sank and I reluctantly looked at the plate….yep Shawn Green….fresh off his contract extension. I walked away feeling like someone beat me up and took all of my lunch money. I cannot begin to emphasize how smoking hot this girl was.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I always thought Green was a happily married man during his Dodger stretch.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
checking wiki
to see what he says but it only says he has a wife and his first born was in 2002. This was back in 99’. Doubt it would be the same lady. Probably a girlfriend while in FL, before marraige
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
love the stories Joe
and your sig. (I forgive the corny metaphor.)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Impressed man….I’ve thought the same about yours but haven’t said anything. Sandlot all the way Tommy!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Word.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
He was my favorite player after Piazza left
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Is the favorites feature new?
now when I go to my profile page I can favorite blogs so they stay up top, instead of having to scroll throw all 50 of them to find the one I want.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Buster Olney
writes about the Dodger ownership situation:
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=5926569
I can’t read past the first part without Insider sub though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Just that Olney thinks the owners can make Frank McCourt sweat by not approving new partnership for any outside money McCourt wants to bring in.
Moot point
Frank’s already said he doesn’t want to sell any of the team. He may not have a choice, I realize, but Frank could make a whole lot more people sweat by trying to hang onto the team.
Do, do, do you have it?
Dan Uggla's about to be a very rich man
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/braves-uggla-closing-in-on-extension.html
Not a bad deal for the Braves at all…
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
From that list of OFers
above two are quickly gone. Willingham and Maggs are now off the table. I gotta say that I am curious to see what we do.
Trade with Detroit
for Raburn or Boesch? :-)
There is a fit there, they need relief pitching and a 5th starter.
More likely Ned will either wait and see, or sign some Bill Hall type.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Boesch could join Barajas
in the “Dodger fan coming home” brigade.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'm curious about trading for
either Cameron or Raburn. With Cameron, you can move Kemp and Ethier to the corners and improve your defense, or with Raburn you can add the righty LF we need. Either one is fine with me.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
A world where Bobby Jenks gets less than Matt Guerrier: a cruel world.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
he didn't get less
he got the same amount over one less year.
Guerrier: 3/12
Jenks: 2/12
Do, do, do you have it?
That said, the Rays were supposedly talking to Jenks. Could they be interested in Broxton? Maybe, maybe not.
Martin's contract incentive details
up to $1.375m total, per the AP
$50,000 each for 30 and 35 games caught
$75,000 apiece for 40 and each addition five through 120
I wrote a little bit about Martin over on SBN LA, if you are interested.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
And the sun rose in the east...
Yao Ming with another stress fracture, this one in his left ankle. Sad.
that really sucks.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yao Ming is Mandarin for Bill Walton.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Orioles
about close to a deal with LaRoche
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions
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