How Do We Fix The "Gangrenous Wound in Left Field"?
by meercatjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST
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Printthat Keith Law so eloquently called the Dodger situation after we signed a relief pitcher whose peripherals make TBLA weep. It is no secret to anyone who reads this blog that while we admire what Ned has done with the rotation, the fact remains that the only offensive upgrade to the team was bringing in Juan Uribe. Do the Dodgers need a slugging left fielder to be competitive in 2011? If so, do we need to get that person before the start of the season or cherry pick at the trading deadline as players become available?
According to TBLA posters every outfielder in baseball is available to remedy this infection. The current outfield has Andre Ethier in RF, and Matt Kemp in CF.
The current in - house possibilities are: Xavier Paul, Jay Gibbons, Tony Gwynn
The future might be Jerry Sands or Trayvon Robinson
Does Jamie Hoffmann have a dog in this fight?
We seem to have an overabundance of relief pitching and starting pitching.
Did Ned sign Vicente Padilla with the idea of trading Chad Billingsley for hitting? If so the sky is the limit on what the return would be.
Did Ned sign Padilla with the idea of trading Jonathan Broxton for hitting? If so the return has to have a limited value, plus if you want a relief pitcher like Broxton, just sign Rafael Soriano or Bobby Jenks or Kevin Gregg. The free agent pool is littered with closers with warts, why trade for one? Limited exposure would be one reason; I just fail to see how Broxton has enough value to bring in a big enough bat.
Did Ned simply sign all these pitchers for depth and expects to keep them all, while simply buying a left fielder?
Free Agents Costly
Johnny Damon
Free Agents Cheaper
Podboy
Rick Ankiel
Scott Hairston
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Jermaine Dye
Austin Kearns
Bill Hall
Lastings Milledge
Marcus Thames
What is Ned going to do?
What would you do?
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As I posted at end of last thread
what I’d do is make the Tigers an offer, a 5th starter/prospect and/or a relief pitcher for Raburn or Boesch.
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And otherwise give the in house guys a chance to fight it out
including prospects Robinson and Sands, yes. Because they are a lot cheaper, and very possibly no worse than a lot of those meh veterans listed.
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3rd choice
Milledge or one of the Hairstons, or Thames.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The downside on Robinson/Sands is if they are not ready for major-league pitching and are overwhelmed, they might be better off refining their skills at Chattanooga or Albuquerque. (Does LA have the most likely to misspell pair of AA/AAA franchise cities?)
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by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Not trying to start anything just passing along...
The lords of the realm, to borrow the title of John Helyar’s incredible book, smartly handled the Texas Rangers’ situation last year. Rather than punish the team’s baseball operations department for Tom Hicks’ financial misdeeds, the lords gave the Rangers the wherewithal to make the team better during the 2010, to add Cliff Lee, to feed into the value of the club.
And by season’s end, a franchise that had been listing because of Hicks’ debt was revitalized by its first World Series appearance.
Now one of the sport’s signature franchises is having major trouble. The Los Angeles Dodgers should be baseball’s west coast jewel, but the divorce of Frank and Jamie McCourt has largely paralyzed the club over the last 15 months, save for some nice second-tier moves by general manager Ned Colletti in this offseason. The club is coping with debt, and at some point, it might behoove Frank McCourt — as he tries to hang onto his ownership — to draw in other investors, and perhaps the same kind of line of credit that the Rangers got.
But by now, McCourt probably knows this: There isn’t a lot of interest in extending a financial lifeline to him.
In fact, through inaction — by not approving of possible partnerships or credit lines — the other owners could put a tremendous squeeze on him, in an attempt to force him to divest himself of his Dodgers ownership.
It’s something worth watching in the months ahead.
Even if McCourt is forced to sell.
I still see him having some investment in the team, even if it is as a minority shares owner.
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
from behind the paywall?
ooooo Erics gonna be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
FYI
Please try to keep excerpts, especially from pay sites, to a minimum (like a paragraph or two) going forward.
Thanks.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Also, please also include the link when quoting.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
My choice = Rick Ankiel
with 2nd place vote going to Milledge
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Hah Hah
Eric! Kevin Pollak tweeted me back about Dodger Stadium! It’s priceless. I just emailed you.
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here
Me:
Mad me sad to hear @kevinpollak call Dodger Stadium a “shit hole” in his chat show. Sorry Kev, may have to take a break from listening :-P
@kevinpollak: Maybe, @craigary, you need to research how many locals were burned out of their homes in order to build your beloved Dodger stadium.
Sigh. That old chestnut.
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How many stadiums are built without displacing poor people?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I was trying to quickly research
whether the land where his beloved SBC Park sits was where poor immigrants were displaced. Don’t know if I can get the facts together fast enough but I betcha…
Meanwhile Candlestick Park was almost literally a shit hole.
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Phone Company Park is in the old warehouse district, so I’d bet no.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
More importantly
China Basin was built on landfill, so likely no immigrants were displaced, but it sure doesn’t make me feel safe in a quake.
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the construction of at&t displaced a bunch of homeless people and some prime peeing on the sidewalk real estate. I guess they will have to settle on the rest of the entire city of sf to sleep and/or pee on the sidewalk.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 16, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hey!
you can walk pee free in the Marina
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
As stated before, the people of Chavez Ravine were moved out before the Dodgers had a say in anything.
If they have an issue with anyone, its with the city of Los Angeles.
Not to mention that included in that rhetoric should be the 101 freeway, the 110 freeway and probably other things that I can’t think of right now
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
All things I just told
him as best I could in 140 characters. Wanted to just tell him what Eric said but refrained. ;-)
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140 characters or less
“I realize doing actual research is harder, but cram it up your cramhole, LaFleur”.
Do, do, do you have it?
heard this: San Franciscans, with sticks crammed up their arses and ragging on LA, sound like whinny toddlers.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
of all the places to get crabs, that sounds like the worst
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
BECAUSE THEY’RE GAY!!! Comedy gold my man.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Did you ever hear the one about the Dodger fan? He left the game early.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ask him why as a Giant fan, he needs to put down the Dodgers to feel good about himself and the Giants. Didn’t they just win a WS?
they didn’t Beat LA, they’ll always feel inferior ’til then
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
At least in that podcast Colin Hanks
a Giants fan too, took more the high road on that topic.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
He sort of explained that
He grew up partially in Bay area, and has friends who are Giants fans. His dad grew up an A’s fan, since he lived in Oakland. But said his dad’s favorite NL team is the Dodgers. But Colin remained a Giants fan. But maybe his dad is why he’s respectful.
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shouldnt be too hard
to find a sf person to talk endless shit about LA.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 16, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
by that logic
this country is a shithole because it thrived on oppression and genocide to build its vast wealth…so he should just move to his ancestral homeland to purify his Giant asshole soul.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
unless his ancestral homeland is any other country in the world where the same thing has happened for centuries
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
no one understands the point of irony, I know that’s your point, that’s why I was agreeing with you
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I thought irony
was when two unrelated things happen at the same time or are connected in some way
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
sarcasm being a form of irony of course
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think that only defines “coincidence”. Irony takes more.
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Setting Kevin Pollack's douche factor (I bet he wears AXE) aside,
this video of him doing an impersonation of Jason Statham and Christopher Walken with a hypnotized guy is funny and worth watching. Some NSFW language.
He does undeniably good impressions
including of a douchey Giants fan :-)
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Doesn't Colby Rasmus want out of St. Louie?
I might be wrong about that or I’m confusing him with someone else on that team, but Broxton and a prospect for Rasmus sounds good. It might have to be a three way trade, I doubt the Cardinals want Broxton.
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions
There is literally nothing the Dodgers can offer that would be a good trade for the Cards.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
As in, it would take at a bare minimum Kershaw.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
That’d be cool. But our rotation would probably be something like Kershaw, Billingsley, Ted Lilly, Monk, Ely to be able to afford him.
Do, do, do you have it?
I’m okay with that. We can trade Loney and some prospects of Greinke
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
With one of those prospects being ely I’m sure.
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Why would they want Loney
when they have Butler and Hosmer is a 1b a year away
mmm?
He can pitch again, learn LF…idk just fantasize and go with it
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I would think it would take at least Billingsley + Prospect
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
My choice is Milledge
if we are just looking at FA targets. I like Raburn as a trade target, though I am still holding out hope for BJ Upton now that Jenks spurned the Rays for Boston.
We will know a lot more about our situation later in the season, even if we look to the minor leagues. If we see significant improvement or success translating to higher levels from some of our top MiLB arms, we might have more flexibility to make trades.
So I would probably either go for a cheap FA like Milledge, or just go with internal options for now and see what we can do at the deadline. I don’t think the NL West is that great, and our pitching can keep us competitive.
by LA Taco on Dec 16, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure Regfairfield?
What if Colletti worked his magic & offered both Hu & XPaul …. I’m sorry that doesn’t even sound the least bit believable.
Who can hit MLB pitching better….Glenn Hoffman or Jaime Hoffman?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Outside of the Manny trade (and even then, most of the footwork was planned by the Red Sox and Pirates) Ned doesn’t pull out great trades out of his ass like Amaro and the Phillies do.
1) The only reason they are “pulled out of his ass” is because he keeps his fucking mouth shut. As much as I love the rumors, I wish more was kept in-house until it actually became fact.
2) It’s easy to trade when you have pieces someone wants. He traded top prospects for Cliff Lee, then traded Lee for top prospects, then traded top prospects for Halladay, then traded a MLB cost-controlled pitcher (actual value notwithstanding) for Roy Oswalt. Of them, only the Oswalt trade made you scratch your head as to the return.
Do, do, do you have it?
Look at the stats those prospects put up in the Lee, Halladay, and Oswalt trades. You’d be surprised at how much dreck he traded to get Lee and Oswalt.
The only good players he gave up was in the Halladay trade.
The fact that they haven’t worked out does not apply. He traded away top prospects that were valued throughout baseball. Even the guys he got back in the Lee trade haven’t worked out.
Do, do, do you have it?
No, I’m saying that the prospects he used to trade for Lee at the time sucked at the time they were traded. Its why we were pissed off about that trade because we felt we could have beat it.
Yeah, the Indians to Phillies trade was definitely seen as crap at the time.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
hit's LHP well
he’s more a platoon guy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
as a platoon partner...
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Milledge at least has some upside, but it’s not much different from hoping Loney breaks out this year.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
IMO
it’s all about the trade deadline. Get the LF there for practically nothing. The remaining options are a joke and a waste of money.
well wat about
Ethier that was probably his only great trade……..Sign Kerns and then see what is available at the trade deadline…Lets see how the As feel about Willingham when they are out of contention
I don't know why I like Lastings Millegde, but I do
Probably his name. Hopefully he’s matured, but he comes with a bit of baggage.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Dec 16, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions
I will profess my ignorance!
Dukes who?
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Dec 16, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Holy cow, yeah, that's some baggage
Looks like he’s back in the States, at least, playing for the Newark Bears.
I don’t think Milledge is quite that bad, at least.
by TopDeckTrueBlue on Dec 16, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
is that
Canseco? I cant see the vid, but you’ve mentioned it before
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Kearns
It would not be my favorite idea but I think Kearns is in our future. Somehow I see Damon coming from Ned.
If it was me I would try the platoon of Hoffman and Gibbons
From Dylan H
@dylanohernandez Martin said he rejected the #Dodgers’ offer because he wanted to find out if they still had enough belief in him to tender him a contract.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
well he does have to get knee surgery had to
believe in a broken down catcher who cant hit now
give us something to believe in Coltrane and we’ll give you the money
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers had the same belief in Martin as the Yankees.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Russell wanted the guaranteed money, it's not about seeing if the Dodgers believe in him anymore
Maybe he truly believes that but in reality, his agent knew that if the Dodgers tendered him a contract, he would automatically be getting no worst than the same guaranteed money he had last year without any worry about incentives.
Now, I guess Russell could have settled for a similar deal like he did with the Yankees but why would he give up the guaranteed money?
by bhsportsguy on Dec 16, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
which is why his “belief” comment is bullshit.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
And Martin knows we know that
Also tweeted by Dylan H:
Martin said he understands why the #Dodgers non-tendered him, pointing to how he was due a raise despite the way he played the last 2 years.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
DEAD TO ME
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
A's trade
RT @Ken_Rosenthal: Done deal: #Nationals get RHP Henry Rodriguez and minor-league OF Corey Brown in deal for Willingham. #A’s #MLB
Fair deal?
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Yup good move for A's
I was thinking BCG and Belisario…
Does Cash throw 100mph?
Rodriguez is a better prospect but probably still a fair deal for the A’s.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
no, he doesn't
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yah it was a rhetorical question ;-)
I know that power is not Cash’s strong suit, and as noted below, it is for Rodriguez.
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The Nats tweeted this
Rodriguez topped out at 103.2 mph last season with Oakland, only Chapman (105.1 mph) and Feliz (103.4 mph) reached higher on the gun in MLB.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ultimately, he’s just a reliever.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty wild. Only pitched around 50 innings each of the last two years – does he have injury issues?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Still more than the Nats gave up to get him.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
plus the two years they had him.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Jenks 2 year $12 MILL
how is that a team friendlier contract at least we dont have to worry if Guerrier is coming to come in 30 pounds over weight…but then again we would have expierence with Jones wait were still paying him lol
Because Jenks has always been a better pitcher than Guerrier, and is younger.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
He also has a small orbital asteroid circling around him.
by Tripon on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well we know that but are they just going to sit on him
or try to move him
Taylor was awful, and people (especially Willingham) get hurt. They’ll get swings if they deserve them.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
U mean the bigs cause
Carter was the one who was terrible lol
Taylor was awful in the minors.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 16, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Does that make Andrew Jones the sun in the MLB solar system?
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions
haha because this wasn’t written as a response, it’s totally random.
love it!
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I had photoshop
to have a picture of luke skywalker looking at Jones and Kung fu Panda setting into the horizon
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
How about a former Dodger with as much range as Manny?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/gary-sheffield-wants-to-play-prefers-rays.html
Gary Sheffield told Steve Kornacki of MLive.com that he wants to play next year and that the Tampa Bay Rays are his first choice. Sheffield, who has ruled out a return to Detroit, wants to play for a competitive team. He says one team offered him an everyday job last year, but he turned the gig down because of doubts that the club could compete.
(btw, I’m not serious)
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
Here's a thought
How about Manny himself.
We still have a truck load whigs we need to unload.
George Lazenby is James Bond!
by Bobblehead Addict on Dec 16, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Dec 16, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
we could always convert the wigs to maps, give old DS a spit shine
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
a truck load whigs
and a front office of Know-Nothings?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Count me amongst
the Oppositions to this idea.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I wouldn’t mind a Bull Moose in Left Field
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
A cross between
Greg Luzinski and Bill Skowron? I’d take that, even if it wouldn’t help the defense a bit.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sure, I know what people those proper names refer to
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
How bout Yonder Alonso
never will happen but at least fans can throw out stupid proposals in the offseason lol
lets be honest he will probably
get traded for a 40 year old middle reliever
Mel Counts
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Hall
Will end up playing 3rd anyway. I think will have a good season.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 16, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions
relative to the NL West or relative to the rest of the league
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I see Juan Uribe’s 2010 numbers plus an OBP around 335
Based on nothing but my crystal ball mind you.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 16, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
New Twitter
When it says N new tweets and you click it, there is no mark between the old tweets you already had and the new ones that are displayed. The old twitter had a heavier line between the old and new tweets. Why lose such a useful feature? I came back to my computer this A.M. to find 23 new tweets. Who wants to find where the 23rd most recent tweet is?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Using the website, or something like Tweet Deck?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I like it.
It’s only missing a Diamondback – ducks -
It looks a-like
a bad southwestern sweater or wall blanket
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it
you said it.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
you’ll have to ask an anarchist, but they live off the grid, are hard to get ahold of
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Obligatory quote
"Matt gives us depth in the bullpen as he’s proven to be a strong performer on a team that contends year in and year out," said Colletti. "He’s willing to take the ball in any situation and his track record speaks for itself. We’re excited to have him in the late innings for the next few seasons."
Also, note this:
pronounced Gurr-ear
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good deal
Swiffers may say they’re all that, but those refills can get expensive.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
More classic Gurnick
The Dodgers"signing of Dioner Navarro is official. Check dodgers.com for more.
Before his Guerrier tweet
This does solve the LF problem, however.
@MikeSciosciasTI RT @kengurnick The Dodgers have traded Mike Piazza to Florida for a package including Gary Sheffield.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You can’t trade someone you don’t have for someone you don’t want
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Dec 16, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Gurnick is exactly the type of person
you don’t want on your project team.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Soo, Chris Carter anyone?
Not the X Files guy, the A’s prospect now a victim of numbers game.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
@DavidYoungTBLA Dodger LF – traded for Broxton (I kid, I kid) @jay_jaffe WTF happens to Chris Carter, who’s about to be 24 and not getting younger?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Knowing the A's
They will trade one of Willingham, DeJesus, Crisp or Hideki in June for prospects.
Sadly, the trade will probably involve us.
I caught a guy named Chris Carter eating a womans salad in the break room once. I fired him on the spot. Glad to see he bounced back.
:)
by keithc13 on Dec 16, 2010 2:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What is a womans salad?
If he was gay and was eating a womans salad would that have been okay?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
damn it, I was gonna post that then backed down
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
you have strict break room policies
in Arkansas
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
As long as he also fires the woman who eats a mans salad I have no problems
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I have no idea why a woman needs 30 shoes
but that is not important now
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Loney & Pitcher
for an outfielder and sign derek lee.
that’s all i got. no idea who the outfielder would be…or the pitcher, but we have 6 starters.
Problem is, as Ned has said, is that replacing Loney with a 1B free agent, while the production might be higher, would cost double.
Do, do, do you have it?
I think the problem is the opposite
Teams can sign guys who are better than Loney for the same price or less.
ned is spending 12 mill on gurreior
i doubt the money is matterig right now
It does when Colletti told Gurnick there is less money for Bill Hall now.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
NHL Western Conference
I love that teams 2-12 are separated by 5 points. Kings are currently the 7 seed but could jump to 2 after a couple wins.
Do, do, do you have it?
I’m glad the Dodgers don’t get half a win when they lose in extra innings.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
point systems are always better, she said for the umpteenth time
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
You only need point systems if you allow ties as a third possible outcome, but the NHL way of playing OT so the winner can get an extra point is dumb. Either go all in and have the loser get no points, or drop the OT.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
that sure would make a cooler logo for the American League than a bird
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Are they trading for
Pablo Sandoval, Prince Fielder and Jonathan Broxton? No one else is big enough to wear that.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
was gonna say
It looks like the team may run through it to enter the field.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
too bad
Satchel Paige only got a cup of coffee in the bigs, or else they might be called the Cleveland Paiges.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Guerrier's 2011 salary
He’s created flexibility by backloading the multiyear contracts he’s given. Even though the average annual value of Guerrier’s contract is $4 million, he will receive only $1.5 million in 2011.
I was just about to post that
No word yet on the corresponding move
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers have signed a Canadian LHP named Brant Stickel to a minor-league deal, per the Calgary Herald.
haha
The Alberta native was quickly signed by the Dodgers after a tryout in Phoenix, Arizona earlier this month where he threw only four pitches including two at 92 miles per hour.
The 23-year-old made his professional debut with the Vipers this season and pitched in 15 games including three starts where in total he struck out 16 batters in 27 innings. It has been a whirlwind 2010 for Brant who was invited to training camp on a tryout basis after Manager Morgan Burkhart watched him throw his final game for the University of Calgary Dinos. From there the 6’4" 210 pounder was a surprise addition to the opening night roster after a fantastic showing in an exhibition game where he struck out the side.
Hell, I can sign that pitcher in two pitches
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
hey
only some of them.
I think i could still get around on 92. He better have a slider.
Do, do, do you have it?
do you have a video?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I wish
The video I wish I had was me facing Delmon Young in high school. That guy was fucking huge. I don’t even remember what happened, I was scared shitless he was going to drill it back at me.
Do, do, do you have it?
Did he end up topping the NL in outs made? I know he led for a long while — can’t remember the finish.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
He led the NL
with 490 outs made. The major-league co-leaders at 515 were Derek Jeter and Juan Pierre.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
In fairness to Canadian baseball players
Those are numbers are from the Canadian pro league. In college he was what was referred to as the “strikeout king”.
I find this article hard to take seriously
5 worst sports moments in Los Angeles for 2010
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-7397904
Only the Galaxy one is anything decent. But it’s Yahoo, so it’s a FWIW situation.
Do, do, do you have it?
A four-game back to back losing streak and an overall seven out of eight games lost in November made it difficult to be an L.A. Kings fan
See? That’s why I don’t follow the Kings, or hockey in general. No matter how well your team appears to be doing, they only exist to let you down.
Yet they are 4-0-1 in December, and started the year 12-3.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
so the previous 40 years
made it easy being a Kings fan??
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
embarrassed Kobe Bryant, who only managed to get 23 points and five rebounds off the ground. A close second was Pau Gasol, who scored 21 points and eight rebounds. Hello?!? Lakers fans were not a happy bunch at downtown sports bars
Is this a joke?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
also what’s with using the word with between a team and the final score. I have a bone to pick with this scribe
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
You people are making me simultaneously want and not want to click that link.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
laker fans are monsters
just listen to 710/570 after a game. good christ. and I say this as a laker fan.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 16, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I mean I get being spoiled as a fan, but your two top scores over both over twenty points and that’s embarrassing? Really, you’re ashamed as a Laker fan that Kobe could only score 23 points
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
It truly is ridiculous
These are the same fans who gets pissed off that the Lakers don’t beat every team by 30+ points and jump on/off the bandwagon depending on how they’re playing that particular quarter. I’m a diehard Lakers fan, and it’s that fandom that granted me the satisfaction of the Game 7 2000 WCF win, as well as the despair of the Game 6 2008 Finals drubbing. All in all, IMHO, if you’re not supporting your team through good times AND bad, please STFU and GFY. There are franchises that would kill for the “embarrassing” moments the Lakers and Dodgers have had in their respective histories.
/rant
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I guess that’s how Yankee fans sound when they ‘only’ make it to the ALCS. Probably why Laker and Yankee fans aren’t too beloved
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was because
they eat babies?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
to be fair
Laker fans at least cook them
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
And we also season them
with four-leafed clovers and shamrocks.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Boiling them alive
is not better tommy.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
is there a reason we boil lobsters alive? do they taste fresher that way?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the answer is yes
That or people enjoy the death “scream” they let out.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
OT - Did you see my proposal
on the Karaoke night #2 thread, if you’re going that is…I swear, it’s not an Indecent one…just wondering. It’s on the 22nd right?
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Yeah, sorry
not sure if I’m going to make it yet
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
This is the key part of the byline
This article was produced by a Yahoo! Sports user
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
so Yahoo! just lets anyone who comments on their site write articles? How awful! I’m so glad that we have a system in place that prevents Bearface type people from writing searchable articles that trace back to TBLA. So glad.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Per Enrique Rojas, the Dodgers (along with Tampa Bay and the Giants) are finalists for Guillermo Mota. WTF?
on a minor league deal though. Whew. Sort of.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
so does
Andrew Lambo
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He did stunningly well for the Giants this year
I was one of many who were sure he was totally done.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Good thing Ned did his research before the Guerrier signing.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/relievers-are-not-worth-multi-year-deals/
There was an interesting back and forth on this on Twitter today, between Tommy Bennett, Matt Klassen, and I think R.J. Anderson (I don’t remember who else), but the general premise by Bennett was that it’s probably not the best idea to blindly accept WAR as a judge, especially with relievers.
The contracts were probably bad, but perhaps not as bad as made out.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
WAR wasn’t made for middle relievers and bench players.
But yeah, there’s still a reason why you shouldn’t pay good money for middle relievers. At least Torre isn’t managing the team because the first thing he would do is wear Guerrier down to the bone.
22 teams used pitchers in more games that the 73 games that Broxton and Troncoso pitched in 2009
Which was high water mark for games pitched during the 3 seasons Torre managed here.
But keep saying he wore pitchers down, I am sure it was limited to the Dodgers.
Is it contradictory to say that middle relievers are expendable but then be upset when a manager uses them as if they were just that?
I would be upset if he used the closer like he would use a middle reliever.
One is a more replaceable part than the other by a large margin.
Yes, Broxton wasn’t among the league leaders in game appearances in any season he pitched. So what? That still doesn’t excuse Torre from trying to abuse him for whatever reasons he had.
I never felt Broxton was abused
in games, and if he hadn’t sucked wouldn’t have had to face so many hitters per appearance in the two you are probably talking about.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
The problem wasn't the number of games pitched
it was that he would throw 4 of 5, 5 of 6, 8 of 10, or throw 45(!) pitches one night and come back and throw 30 the next, and then not at all for two weeks.
Do, do, do you have it?
I agree with that, but it is an interesting thing to look at. Just like you cant really judge a reliever his ERA, FIP and WAR might undersell some guys too. I just think its crazy to ive any reliever not named Mariano a long-term contract, especially a setup man with crappy peripherals. The Guerrier contract I would assume is pretty universally acceptable as a terrible deal, it just remains to be seen how bad it actually turns out to be,
by UCLADodger32 on Dec 16, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty decent.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#twins, nishioka are now in agreement on the 3-yr deal plus an option for about $10 mil. could play ss or 2b for them.
Along with the posting fee, that’s about 16 million spent on Nishioka.
She's so attractive, I almost wanna call shenanigans
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
why are teeth such a big deal in American beauty standards? I swear, if my parents had put my orthodontry money toward a college fund, I’d be slightly uglier but much less poor.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I had that, took up smoking and chewing on pens
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Might be a hoax
The tweet isn’t in CNN’s timeline, but was retweeted by a ton of people.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
isn't on their website
or msnbc
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
ALERT: Morgan Freeman not dead, CNN retracts statement.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
JEEZ
But Kevin Spacey imitating Morgan Freeman comes up in a news search, heh. At least it wasn’t Kevin Pollak.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Freeman and Earl Weaver
who’s not going to be dead next? It comes in threes, right?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Dec 16, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone please protect Abe Vigoda!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
WHAT?!?!?!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
WTF indeed
Jeeezus. Sad enough to lose Blake Edwards but at least he was old and all… Morgan, man, what the hell… was he sick for awhile?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Was just gonna ask
Be careful here guys… see no official confirmation other than people tweeting the rumor
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
For someone who hates spelling and grammar mistakes, reading Wikipedia is ballsy.
Do, do, do you have it?
Hopefully we have trained Mr F
to lower his expectations for us, however since Josie is supposed to be brilliant, he has every right to expect brilliance.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
He dislikes slightly the people who make them.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
As far as I can tell:
You prefer for people to take the time to write correctly. This is a matter of general respect for you.
Correct?
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Like Red always said, you can either get busy living, or get busy fake retweeting about someone’s death
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
is it? IS IT!!!!????
signing of free-agent reliever Matt Guerrier, made official on Thursday when he passed a physical exam, is another indication of how Dodgers management feels things went wrong in 2010.
It’s the pitching.
from Dodgers.com
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 2:34 PM PST reply actions
In 2010, Guerrier went 5-7 with one save and a 3.17 ERA in a team-leading 74 games. The right-hander has led Minnesota in games pitched for the last three seasons and finished second in 2007. Over the last four campaigns, Guerrier has appeared in 302 contests, which ranks second in baseball over that time, trailing only Pedro Feliciano.
In bold are the instances where he is praised for his durability. What bullpen quality are we compensating for, Kuo’s humanity?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather
have a pitcher who can pitch 70 games one year and do it again the next year then one who can’t. History however is not kind to those who have tried this trick five years in a row.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Very true
Its like playing blackjack and being on a winning streak. Its only a matter of time…
that’s why I like playing craps, and only placing the initial bet. One winning streak and all I really lose at the end is my initial investment. Of course it’s all in the timing
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't you rather have
Kerry Wood and Xavier Nady for one year instead of the price we just paid Wearier?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Nady was horrible last year
and Wood hasn’t been consistently good over the last couple years himself.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
So we should sign guys
who have been inconsistent instead of guys that where consistent? Wood wasn’t good last year till he got traded right?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I’m saying that expecting ‘consistency’ in a role that is defined by random variation from year to year is looking for a needle in the haystack.
Work from ‘is he a good pitcher’ and start from there.
I wouldn't say
it isn’t something teams should consider unimportant though. But the greater point is that it shouldn’t be counted on per se. Pitchers that are wildly consistent with “good stuff” scare me, too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Actually....
“Does he look good in his uniform?” is a better guide
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Performance is one way
to try to judge if he is a good pitcher. just sayin.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Don't think Wood
would’ve signed with LA for 1.5 million. Not at all. plus he doesn’t pitch as often as Guerrier, which it seems Ned wanted more than a setup guy. We have plenty of those.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
more like a contest
Who’s wants to be The Dodgers Left Fielder!!
Josie is working on a press release
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
*cracks nuckles*
From the people who brought you Million Dollar Money Drop and the first really offensive Extreme Makeover comes a reality show which will knock you dead. Who wants to play LF follows the LA Dodgers as they search for someone to replace Manny Ramirez’ gaping hole he left behind.
Events include:
Which cup has been laced with steroids?
Can you crash through the outfield wall?
The race to the Top Deck?
*ps, Fox would like to send condolences to the family of M. Shamala who died after finishing these three stunts. He will be missed
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of Million Dollar Money Drop
Fox sent me a release today asking me if I wanted to take picture of what looks like $1 million. I thought that was hilarious
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Used to be able to do that anytime you walked into Binion’s in Las Vegas
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
an actual cool million or Fox’s replica million
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I hear meercat is auditioning for the role right now
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
callback! and here I thought nobody read through that paragraph
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
never too soon. He’s got to be better than Bill Hall and as Josie said, we have wigs to sell.
Do, do, do you have it?
I proposed converting them to mops. I thought you were the one sitting on the wig stock, needing to move
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
My business side says move them
my creative and fun side is thinking of the possibilities.
Do, do, do you have it?
a porn film with 100 Manny’s could be a best seller
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
he's got that look of
“how could I leave a lasting impression in my last at bat as a Dodger”
Do, do, do you have it?
How cheap would Manny have to be to make this worth it? I mean, I would be happy to have Manny back at a reasonable price…expecting him to play about 100-120 games
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
maddz
in the air.
Did we ever get a potential head count for tomorrow?
Off the top of my head I only remember me maddz and tripon.
Do, do, do you have it?
I was a commit as wel, helped with the planing, it’s cool if you forgot
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Right
sorry, been a long, long day with work.
Bosses having me do things, I do them WAY faster than they expected because I know how to click “Export to Excel”, they assume it’s because I did it wrong and make me go back and do everything by hand.
Do, do, do you have it?
Did you boss look like this
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
sorry
need my beauty sleep so I can drive up to san fran in the rain.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Josh Willingham
was traded for something i think we could have matched if Ned was interested.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
now there’s a mad lib in the making :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 16, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Willingham was traded for _________. I think _________ could have matched if _______ was interested.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Willingham was __________ for __________. I __________ we could have __________ if __________ was __________.
Ooh, I love Mad Libs!
Josh Willingham was drunk for goats. I join we could have fucked if Erin Hawksworth was hot.
Haw haw, that makes no sense!
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
corey brown equals trayvon robinson
henry is jansen..
those are the only comparable players we have to those 2 athletics guys….
but of course trayvon is rated better then brown and jansen higher then henry for suree
Sorry
I wouldn’t trade Jansen and Trayvon for a year of Willingham.
I wouldn’t have traded Withrow and Trayvon for a year of Willingham.
Do, do, do you have it?
i wouldnt do it either
corey brown isnt as good as trayvon tho… we dnt have someone like corey brown…. jaimie hoffman or xaiver paul dont have enough upside or tools to be like brown… so trayvon i think is the best match
You know how old Corey Brown is?
How is he any different then Xavier Paul? He spent 1/2 a year in the PCL and sucked.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446395
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
as was Paul in the minor leagues
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Which tells me
Ned is not going to trade for a LF, he’ll either sign one or wait it out. Many of these same guys looking for work today might be working for look in Feb.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Orlando Hudson cannot find any love
We could simply sign him to play 2nd, move Uribe to 3rd, and viola make Casey Blake the right handed part of the LF platoon with Gibbons/Paul/Gywnn.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
forget blake to outfield
not gonna happen… dont wanna see him in the outfield anyways..
ned is hoping
for another feb special is all.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
oh I’m sorry sir, I didn’t realize you did cocaine
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t he look a smidge like Mike White with a dorky perm?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
How can you not like Hockey?
Brawl within 6 seconds of the start of the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekH2zovSEIE&feature=player_embedded#!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
That was some bullshit
that was more like an ambush then a fight, the red team is a bunch of pussies.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
seriously
they attacked one of the guys from behind, threw him on the ice and repeatedly punched him in the face, and I’m supposed to like hockey because of that? I mean I enjoy a good fight in hockey, but that was not a good fight.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
INDIGNATION
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Agreed
This shit was planned. It was one massive sucker punch.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I went to a hockey game for the first time in 20 years over Thanksgiving in North Carolina.
The Hurricanes played the Capitals. There was a fight in the first quarter and I thought it would be cool. But it came off as contrived. And the guy who got the worse of it, had to leave the game. So in the end, it seemed violent for no reason, kind of weirded me out, lost a player and because I am sensitive I felt sorry for him, and really did nothing for the game itself. The game was great, but the fight seemed useless.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 16, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
A LIMERICK TITLED "PRONOUNCED GURR-EAR"
We’re full up on pitchers this year
And delaying K. Jansen’s career.
Sure, Ned is impugned
For the gangrenous wound
But c’mon! We have signed Matt Gurrier!
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:35 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Brilliant
we may need to publish a novel of TBLA Limericks.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I wanted to do this as soon as I realized that “gangrenous wound” fit the meter perfectly.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
FYI - from MLB Network
FYI, ‘Roy Campanella Night’ will be featured in a new episode of MLB Network Countdown: Fan Moments on Saturday, December 18 at 9:00 p.m. ET. ‘Roy Campanella Night,’ when 93,000 fans came to pay tribute to the paralyzed Campanella at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum in 1959, will be ranked alongside other famous fan moments, including:
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
MLB did a nice rememberance of it on the 50th anniversary last year.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
or a crocodile making a bad choice
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/15/what-happens-when-an.html
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
oh it’s not the old guy, I just assumed.
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
foul-mouthed people are never the murderers
it’s always the quiet ones, or OJ…besides, I would be surprised if the older guy was like that in real life. Funny though!!
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Jesus
I thought it was the old guy at first, then I clicked
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
He did a really shitty job
of attempting to murder someone.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Seriously
Everyone I stabbed 20 (or more) times is dead.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Actually it was a good attempt
He’s a lousy murderer, but a decent attempted murderer
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I concede the point
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
so good plan bad execution, ala the Texas Rangers in the WS?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I wasn’t laughing here. Sometimes, you guys….
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Funniest line of the day is Marty’s. “You can’t trade guys you don’t have for guys you don’t want.” I’m still laughing.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I’m so on the fence about that movie. My brain is going “Another boxing movie?” but my heart is going “Southie accents and Amy Adams!”
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
David O Russell
is a very good director, even if he is an A-hole. Getting good reviews.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
he kind of blows his lid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Qls1rAfYs
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Lily was no peach early with her passive aggressive bull shit
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
And that’s the truth. Thppththpth.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
But
In no way were his actions okay
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
he also has a rep
from Three Kings (another excellent film) when Clooney said he’d never work with him again cos he chewed somebody out
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Didn't they get into
a fist fight?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
word was he got in fisticuffs with Clooney
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Dear David O. Russell,
If you get into a fistfight with George Clooney, UR DOIN IT WRONG
Your Pal,
Humma
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(film)#Conflict
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
…and Lily Tomlin later drove home in her Acura.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I watched “The Fighter” last night. It’s very good, even if it hits some familiar boxing movie storylines.
Hard for a movie featuring boxing not to have some of those, though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
just once I want a boxing movie where some rich bitch is like I’m gonna box cause it’s fun and then loses every match
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, see, I’m mostly on board, but I wanted to review the film and Paramount was like “what’s a popbunker?” and I don’t feel comfortable reviewing something I paid to watch
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
A popbunker is where you hide your ass lest it get blown off from all the pop.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
Does being given something for free, make you more partial then having to pay for it yourself?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
well I’m more likely to pan something if I hate it and paid for it, and I’m only held accountable for what I write if the people I’m writing about know I’m writing it…if that makes any sense
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, don't put down boxing. It's the sport of kings!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
The beauty about being a king
is that whatever sport you want becomes the sport of kings.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, right. What king rides a fuckin horse?
Boxing, man — that is a sport for kings.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Except Richard III. That dude gave up his whole kingdom for a horse.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Two Richard III references, I love it.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
but how many ways can you tell the rags to riches boxing story?
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
when you get the opportunity to tell it using Amy Adams, don’t you go for it?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
not just Amy Adams, Amy Adams faking a Southie Accent. Fantastic!
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
It will be better than Blake Lively’s, won’t it?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
one can only hope. I heard it on Conan last night, it kinda sounds like toned down PR
by Josie Becker on Dec 16, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the sport of marquises.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Dec 16, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was so hoping that somebody was going to say this.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
THIS JUST IN
The Gurrier deal is still ridiculous.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
It will be funny to me
if he’s good for the 1.5 year and sucks for the 4.75 years.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
And
is even better with the new team when he gets his $1M bonus from us
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Guerrier and Uribe will be White Sox in 2014, each collecting $1 million from the Dodgers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
This is Ned’s master plan. He leaves the Dodgers in 2014 to become the White Sox GM and signs Uribe and Guerrier to discounted contracts.
and they can sign Andruw Jones for one more year, in the final year he is paid by the Dodgers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
AP has it slightly different (maybe)
here:
Guerrier gets $1.5 million in 2011 and $3.75 million each of the following two years. He receives a $3 million signing bonus payable in four installments through 2014.
If the four installments are equal (don’t know if this is the case), the payout would be:
2011: $2.25m
2012: $4.5m
2013: $4.5m
2014: $750k
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Won't
the shipping cost kill the difference. Not to mention the time involved?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Yes
But if you are using half.com, and the person paid for Media Mail, you do not get reimbursed. Sometimes for light DVD’s first class is cheaper, and I will use it. Media Mail is just at the bottom of the totem pole, so if there is a light mailing day your stuff will go out quick, but if priority mail floods in, they wait to ship the Media Mail.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Bye-bye, baby, time to hit the road to dreamland
Goodnight, baby, dig ya in the land of nod
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Try half.com, you pay the fee when it sells.
http://sell.half.ebay.com/ws/web/HalfSellHome?halfMetaTag=books
Also, a bunch of colleges has local internet groups that try to sell local.
My daughter has definitely bought books from half.com, so they do sell. No idea if she sold any though.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I have sold over 250 books through it. The nice thing is there is no time limit on the posting. Just review it monthly to update prices.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
HAlf.com
has been the best for me. You are reimbursed for shipping and packaging. They take a cut. I finished my class two days ago and already shipped out the book for it today
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
The one positive if no LF'er is signed..
is that Jerry Sands would get a legit look in spring training.
I cant imagine Ned giving the job to Xavier Paul or Jay Gibbons if Sands really impresses in spring training.
So I’m of the feeling now that I hope Ned doesnt sign any of the crappy LF’ers remaining. I’d much rather have Sands in there than Bill Hall or Podsednik.
Sands will get a legit look if Don and/or Ned hang out on the minor league fields.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
First, Andre Ethier needs to have heard of Sands.
by JonWeisman on Dec 16, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why do you keep on saying this?
If the Dodgers have no one in LF…and Sands is their top prospect that raked at AA last year..of course he’s going to get a look.
Its not like he has to beat out someone good for the spot.
I’ve said all I need to say on Sands.
Just because you are projecting doesn’t make something so.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I say it would be bad for the Dodgers and bad for Sands if Sands starts for the Dodgers in LF on Opening Day, 2011.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll get a look if and only if the the player development department says he’s ready for that look. If DeJon Watson (and his scouts and advisors) says that Sands needs more development, then he won’t get that look.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
And i think the possible scarcity of OF options on the Dodgers roster is the biggest factor in determining if Sands gets that look.
If they had someone in LF already…then yeah Sands would be an after thought and it’d be assumed he’d go to AAA.
But if Ned doesnt sign anyone…then I have to think he has just as good of chance at starting as Gibbons or XP.
Ned’s always struck me as a win now GM. He doenst care about service time or those types of things. If Sands is the best option of limited options.. I think he’s the guy.
Just because you think he is as good or better an option
doesn’t mean Ned “I fucking love veterans because their gritiness is so fantastically gritty” Colletti does.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Ned’s always struck me as a win now GM. He doenst care about service time or those types of things. If Sands is the best option of limited options.
This paragraph is the disagreement in the nutshell. You believe that you have laid out a case that gets stronger with each sentence. Others believe that you are making enormous leaps.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see Sands or Robinson get a serious look.
But the last position player the Dodgers considered was Blake DeWitt.
And before that was the Matt Kemp.
Two players out of the last 4 or so years is not a good indicator that a team will try to work in new players from the farm system.
True or False:
The only guys who should be getting a legit look at Jerry Sands in April are the good citizens of Chattanooga, or, if you prefer, Albuquerque.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I cant imagine Ned giving the job to Xavier Paul or Jay Gibbons if Sands really impresses in spring training.
Sometimes I’m not sure you know who Ned is? Has he ever ever given a job to a rookie based on spring training performance?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If there's one thing I've learned from commenting on TBLA
it’s that if you are universally disagreed with, you’re wrong and should just go away for awhile.
Do, do, do you have it?
bearface went away for awhile...
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I dunno
Everybody disagreed with me when I was relentlessly negative about the Dodgers’ chances in ‘11 a year ago. Now look at me. I’m only mostly disagreed with!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Who disagreed with you?
I think most agreed even back then.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
The meercat, for one.
He felt there was too much talent on the team for them to really suck.
I don’t think he feels that way now.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Back in May
when Andre/Kemp/Loney looked like they could handle 2011 without Manny I certainly disagreed with him. I had no inkling they would all go into super suck mode at the same time because big brother couldn’t play anymore.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If they have big years, who gets the credit? And who gets the blame for last year’s suck? The players should get both, because they are who has to perform, but I wonder what the meme would be. #BlameBowaAndSchaefer?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
If they have big years, then last year is explained this way:
Shit Happens.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Personally
I will blame Mattingly the hitting coach
while
Praising Mattingly the manager.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
No matter what happens next year, I will persist in calling Mattingly Donnie Two Times.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
He ain't right yet
we still have 162 games to find out if he was right.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
And even I am thisclose to changing my tune.
So much depends on who they get to play LF.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not even Clayton Kershaw started the season in the majors after having spent the previous season split between A/AA. There’s basically no reason to think that the Dodgers would start Sands’ clock in April without giving the Paul/Gibbons/Hoffmann/mediocre FA combo first crack at the job.
Not that I think either of them is going anywhere this year, but….
…maybe because Robinson, when he reaches his peak, will be Tony Gwynn, Jr., and we already have one of those. The Dodgers do not need Tony Gwynn, Jr. Lite right now.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yup.
Basically, our farm system is very light on position players who are ready to make any impact at all at this point in time. Believing otherwise is foolish. If we’re lucky, the guys who did well last year will put together complete seasons at a higher level and then we’ll have a better sense of who’s down there. It’s not like we have guys who are being blocked and just NEED to get a look.
As Jesse Jackson would say, “The question is moot.” But the Dodgers have been known to pay attention to Spring Training performances, much to my chagrin. But at the same time, they really have resisted starting pure rookies in April.
I don’t see either of those guys coming close to making the major league team out of Spring Training, but it’s certainly possible that a power-starved team could become higher on Sands than Robinson if Sands hits eight HR at Camelback.
If Sands hit like .350/450/600 in say 50 ABs during the spring…
and XP/Gibbons/Hoffman all sort of did nothing that jumps out…I’d be really surprised if the Dodgers still went with the fringe MLB’er over the rookie.
In the past, the Dodgers used legit big leaguers to block their younger players (Nomar, Gonzo, Pierre,)…but they dont have that guy in LF right now to block Sands.
You are ignoring that
1. It was pointed out how unprecedented the A/AA to majors jump is in this (or probably any other) regime
2. Sands doesn’t even have an invite to major-league camp yet
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
People are jumping on the Sand-wagon because we just don’t have much else to be excited about position-player wise. It’s not realistic IMO but I understand why people want to believe.
Its more that everyone knows what you’ll get from Pods/Gibbons/XP…so the thought that Jerry Sands could win a job over a player like that shouldnt be that far fetched.
All I’m saying is, Sands put up a nice .880 OPS in 300 PAs in AA. But that’s really not enough to impress at this stage. X Paul has done about the same, with less power, with more PA, in AAA.
You and me, Taco, you and me.
Look, if the lesson of the Dodgers’ minor leaguers in 2010 was Call Me When You Hit AA, then Sands’s performance certainly impresses. But that is all.
Sands should be a blip on the radar, somebody out there who could help down the road. But with 300 PA at AA, he is not yet the answer.
It is for reasons like these that Kershaw got his nickname.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
No one questions that
I just think you are confused about who the Dodger GM is.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
If Sands (a) gets invited to big league camp and (b) has an OPS over 1000 in 50 AB, I will gladly buy you the frosted beverage of your choice at the next TBLA Night.
That’s not even a bet. I’ll just do it. He’s in big league camp, he hits like a motherfucker, I buy you a beer.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I will add:
I will lob an easy pitch for you in our next wiffle ball game if this happens.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 16, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Is there really a question that he’ll not at least start off in MLB camp? Almost all the top minor leaguers are there first before getting moved to the minor league camp.
Even Pedro Baez played in 7 spring training games with 8ABs last year.
Considering that I am a cheap bastard would wouldn’t buy members of my own family a beer, I think you can take that as a yes.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
You are completely incorrect here
Players on the 40-man roster get invites to spring training, as do those who signed minor league deals. Occasionally, a minor leaguer or two will begin in minor league camp. Last year, Lindblom and Mitchell were the only two prospects not on the 40-man who began in major league camp.
There simply isn’t enough PA for most, which is why they begin in minor league camp. I will bet you $100 that Jerry Sands does not begin spring training in major league camp.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
This sentence should read
Occasionally, a minor leaguer or two will begin inminormajor league camp
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
In 2009, Ivan DeJesus was the only non-40-man prospect to get the ST invite.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 16, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think Lindblom is a good example for Sands.
He was one of the top prospects going into last year for the Dodgers…and even though he didnt have to be protected on the 40 man he had advanced high enough and quickly enough for the Dodgers to give him a legit look bc there were bullpen spots open.
He was also a college drafted player…and put on a faster track than others.
I’m hoping Sands gets treated the same way with regard to big league camp. Lindblom did only pitch in 3 games (with 1 start) though.
I’m hoping Sands gets treated the same way with regard to big league camp. Lindblom did only pitch in 3 games (with 1 start) though.
Yes but you can hope all you want, it doesn’t change that it probably isn’t happening.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Lindblom was in a major-college program. Sands was Div-II.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Still seems like a moot point
because Lindblom even impressive as he was, was not able to secure a spot on the major league roster.
Sands has no chance of opening on the Major League roster, what he does have a chance of doing is impressing in the spring. He will get into some major league games at some point just because of travel issues, and hopefully open some eyes not close them.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
Yes, but you shouldn’t be surprised. Plus, within a few weeks, they will have that guy in LF to block Sands, whether it’s Hall or someone else.
Part of why I'm pro-Bill hall
Is that I would rather block DeJesus with a potential power bat, then Block Sands with a guy who can’t get on base ;)
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 16, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
RIght, but Hall’s versatility can keep Sands from being blocked should it become obvious that Sands needs to be on the big club.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 16, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Just think
if we hadn’t traded Pierre for the heart-throb he’d be our left fielder and all this would be moot.
Not that we’d be any happier….
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
If and when they think Robinson is ready
if he is as good a CF and some say (and we hope) he is, they won’t hesitate to put him in CF, move Kemp to RF and Ethier to LF, IMO. Ned can just point down the road and say, “hey Torii Hunter moved out of CF and he has N gold gloves on the shelf.”
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I dont know…Kemp/Ethier are veterans now and I’m not sure if Dodger Mgmt would make those two switch positions just to get a rookie in there at CF.
Snyder’s of Hanover couldn’t twist this logic.
Dodgers should/will look at the prospects they have to fill the outfield void — but only Sands, because they Dodgers would be reluctant to move Kemp out of CF?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Technically he could (defensively) but his bat wouldnt.
A Sands/Kemp/Ethier OF is more easily attained for the Dodgers bc the current regulars wouldnt have to switch positions.
Ethier/Trayvon/Kemp could be similarly effective…but I just dont see the Dodgers doing that bc it forces 2 established guys to move.
I think it’s safe to say that the Dodgers are not exactly satisfied with Kemp’s work in CF. I doubt there’s a huge commitment there if a better option comes along. If the Dodgers could move Juan Pierre to LF, there will come a point where they’ll be willing to move Kemp and/or Ethier from their spots.
Plus none of us really know if Kemp or Ethier would care about being moved.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 16, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Money-wise you’d have to imagine anyone who plays up the middle would not want to be moved before they sign a big free agent contract, but obviously money isn’t the only calculation.
I can see Kemp/Dave Stewart not liking it, but if Ethier keeps putting up 130-something OPS+ seasons, he’s getting paid in arb and as an FA no matter which corner OF spot he plays.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
“All-Star Center Fielder Andre Ethier?”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, by “plays up the middle” I meant if you’re a C, 2B, SS, or CF. Should’ve phrased it differently.
No, your wrote it fine
and I was agreeing with you on Kemp the CF, and Andre too.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Why would Ethier care? He knows he gets paid, and will get paid, based on how he hits. He can certainly sell himself as a passable OF in either corner based on the time he has spent there and that this in today’s MLB, guys like Adam Dunn have played a lot of games in the corners.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
OF COURSE THEY WOULD
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Right…but what I’m saying is that if the Dodgers wouldnt re-arrange their OF to accomodate Pierre’s natural position of CF….I don think they’d do that for Trayvon Robinson especially with Kemp/Ethier being even more established in their positions.
They rearranged their OF to get Pierre OUT OF CF, a position that thought he could no longer play effectively every day, not the position they thought was his “natural position”.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
…to improve their OF defense. If they thought Trayvon was that great, they’d shuffle the OF.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Well
they certainly didn’t move Pierre back to CF did they?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
But of course, they won’t do that, because once they decide the shuffle the defense, they will remember that they already have Tony Gwynn on the roster.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 16, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Depends on how long it takes
and how well Trayvon is hitting in the minors, but you are probably right.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Keith Law
The A’s pick up a … dare I say it … “Moneyball” player, while the Nationals dump some salary in exchange for two cheap players of limited short-term value.It’s insider, so I can’t see it, but that seems to be the synopsis.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m sure this trade has been hammered in the previous threads so I won’t go into some crazy person rant here….
But WTF?
I’m not near smart enough to be a GM in the Majors, but I look at our roster and can clearly identify that Willingham is better than all of our options.
What could we have offered that would be a fair comp for that deal? Belisario and a minor league position player?
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