Baseball HQ Top 15 Dodger Prospects
by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 9:06 AM PST
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Baseball HQ is one of the sites I always look forward to reading their prospect rankings, since they just came out today here is a look at them.
This is this years rating:
Organizational Grades: Hitting (B-)…..Pitching (A-)…..Top End Talent (B-)…..Depth (B).....Overall (B)
Huge surprise this year in the top ten. I sure didn't see this coming.
HQ has given me permission to add a small quote from their info on each player. I'm cherry picking the quotes.
1. Devaris Gordon - 9D Same as Last year
Is still raw defensively, but has the athleticism to stay at the position or be an impact player in the majors. Should see his professional debut at some point in '11 and could become a SB leader for years to come.
2. Trayvon Robinson - 9D Moved up from #8 , and rating changed to 9D from 9E
Still strikes out too often, but did walk 73 times in '10 and makes consistent contact. Makes all the plays defensively and has enough arm strength to stay in CF. Toolsy but still raw.
3. Zach Lee - 9D - NR last year
4. Jerry Sands - 9D - NR last year
Can drive the ball out of any part of the park and should hit for power in the majors.
5. Kenley Jansen - 9C - NR last year
6. Allen Webster - 8C Moved up from #15 last year, Ranking improved from 8C to 8B
FB now sits in the low-90s and tops out at 94 MPH. Also has an above-average curveball and a good changeup and throws strikes. Not flashy but should develop into a solid #2 or #3 starter
7. Aaron Miller - 9D Drops from Number 2 to Number 7, Ranking is the same
Electric fastball in the 90-95 mph range and complements it with a hard slider that acts as his strikeout pitch.
8. Rubby De La Rosa - 9E - NR last year
Skinny, athletic flame-thrower from the Dominican Republic. Features a plus upper-90s fastball that tops out at 100 MPH, a potentially plus change, and a decent but inconsistent curveball. At 6'1", 170 there are concerns about durability and an ability to maintain the upper-90s heat from such a slight frame.
Hey does that sound familiar?
9. Brian Cavazos Galvez - 9D - NR last year
Lean, athletic OF prospect can do a bit of everything. Has solid power potential, runs well, can play all three OF positions, steals plenty of bags, and hits for average. Can be overly aggressive at the plate, leading to few walks and sub-standard plate discipline, but solid bat speed and quick hands allow him to put most balls in play. If the plate discipline improves he could be a solid big-league contributor.
10. Chris Withrow - 9D - Drops from #4 to # 10, Same Ranking
11. Ethan Martin - 9E - drops from #3 to # 11, Ranking Drops from 9D to 9E
Raw stuff is too good for these results and still features 90-96 MPH fastball that tops out at 98 MPH and a plus curveball
12. Jonathan Garcia - 9D - Drops from #11 to #12, Ranking improves from 9E to 9D
Has good raw power for his size, runs well, and can drive the ball. Defensively he covers lots of ground and has a strong throwing arm. Still raw, but making very nice progress.
13. Ivan DeJesus - 8C - Drops from # 10 to # 13, Ranking stays the same
Will not hit for power, but plays solid defense and uses short, compact stroke to hit for average, though does not walk enough or steal enough bases to profile as a top of the order hitter.
14. Scott Elbert - 8D - Drops from #5 to #14, Biggest ranking drop from 9D to 8D because he is now a relief pitcher.
15. Kyle Russell - 8D - Drops from #13 to #15, Ranking stays the same
The combination of power, moderate speed, and solid defense could be enough to get him extended action in the majors.
Only Zach Lee from the 2010 draft forced himself onto this list. Jerry Sands, Rubby, Jansen, and Galvez all jumped into the top 10. As we have said before while the power arms disappointed in 2010, many prospects we were not counting on had stellar years. As you can see from the Organizational grade they still are impressed with the assortment of power arms in the system.
Other then Galvez being in the top ten, and the fact we had Gordon at six instead of one, this looks quite similar to our vote.
Players gone from the 2010 Top 15:
6. Josh Lindblom - 9D
9. Andrew Lambo - 8C
12. Pedro Baez - 8D
14. Cole Saint Claire - 8C
Grading
PLAYER POTENTIAL RATING
Scale of (1-10) representing a player’s upside potential
10 – Hall of Fame-type player
9 – Elite player
8 – Solid regular
7 – Average regular
6 – Platoon player
5 – Major League reserve player
4 - Top minor league player
3 - Average minor league player
2 - Minor league reserve player
1 - Minor league roster filler
PROBABILITY RATING
Scale of (A-E) representing the player’s realistic chances of achieving their potential
A - 90% probability of reaching potential
B - 70% probability of reaching potential
C - 50% probability of reaching potential
D - 30% probability of reaching potential
E - 10% probability of reaching potential
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Cool stuff, thanks Phil
BCG getting some love! I was most surprised by that because we hardly talk about him here.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions
Why care about a guy when you can toss Reed Johnson 800K and get the same thing?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
I think anyone capable of being an elite MLB player should also be able to “fail” and be a major league reserve.
It’s not the same thing because it’s projects ceiling, though for every 9D/9E, a 5 is probably the most likely.
Do, do, do you have it?
I don’t know if that’s true. I could see Dee Gordon never making it to a point were he could get on a 25 man roster.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, to much speed for that to happen
he will at the least be a utility player.
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Okay, bad example. Ethan Martin?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
could totally see him never making it, but I expect if he struggles again, he’s headed for the bullpen. I would bet that Martin sees many more games in relief in the major leagues then starts if he even makes it.
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as long as it doesn't lose the current when he hits AA this year
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The Electric Fastball – one heck of a nick name?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Like cousin Eddie
He’s a giant, beastly man
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 9:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
BCG
As someone who continually voted for BCG during the poll, I feel somewhat vindicated that my thinking isn’t totally crazy….
i voted for him to
Thinkblue522 in MLBTradeRumors.com
by Chuy Gutierrez on Dec 17, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Orlando Hudson told MLB Network radio that he would probably end up in San Diego on …gasp…a multiple-year deal.
Couldn’t link the tweet from my phone though.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 9:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If would have to be a mulit year deal
since after 2011 his value would plummet.
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If Padres sign Orlando Hudson
as they are rumored to do and trade for Bartlett, does that put Eckstein out of a job? Is he still on the Padres? Hard for me to keep track of their star players. :)
vr, Xei
Is this the same ranking system as when someone says and “A” or “B” prospect? I’ve mostly seen that used in trade talks. Which would make sense if the other team wanted a MLB ready prospect.
Nice stuff. thanks
Seems like overall the top 15 is stronger than last year’s? A few players dropped down but rate out about the same…. Seems a fair list at any rate.
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Phil, what was Strasburg’s rating last year? Was he like a 9A or something like 10D?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 9:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Strasburg was a 10C
Harper is 10D this year
They rarely rarely give out 10’s. I think Kershaw is the only Dodger to ever get one since they went to the ranking system.
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Full Kershaw Report in 08
1. Clayton Kershaw LHP…..20…..2006 (1) high school (TX)
Team (LG) W-L ERA IP CMD K/9 oppBA
==== = == == = == =
Great Lakes (MWL) 7-5 2.77 97.1 2.7 12.4 203
Jacksonville (SL) 1-2 3.65 24.2 1.7 10.6 193
Strengths: 87-94 MPH fastball, 74-77 MPH curveball, and 79-82 MPH circle-change. Command. Repeating ¾ delivery. Tall/projectable frame
Weaknesses: None
Comments: Tall/projectable pitcher with overpowering fastball and good depth to curveball, being able to strike-out anyone. Repeats ¾ delivery well giving him a solid change-up and command. Delivery lacks fluidity and tends to push baseball when tired. Dominated as one of league’s youngest players.
MLB Debut: 2009
Potential Rating: 10D
I really like the Weanesses – None, rarely see that.
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This
Delivery lacks fluidity and tends to push baseball when tired.
is dead on.
Do, do, do you have it?
Yes. Definitely comes with maturity and experience. All young pitchers start to rush when they throw a few balls in a row. I know I sure did.
Do, do, do you have it?
I'm excited about his walk rate in the second half last year.
He had less than half as many unintentional walks after the break. And it really started in June.
I used to be a huge Baseball America guy
But I admit to liking these rankings a lot, even the number/letter grading.
I’m a little surprised they think Trayvon can be elite. I like him, but I see him more as a solid type.
CF that can hit .300/.400/.450 with defense is elite. It’s not at all likely that he gets there, so that’s why he’s a 9D.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
He could turn out to be like a McCutchen with slightly better OBP but less power.
I remember someone saying
that Trayvon was kind of a McCutchen-type guy, but less power.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
heh
probably
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Good stuff
I don’t follow Baseball HQ too much since I don’t have a subscription there, but that seems like a lot of 9’s…I know they all have C, D, or E’s after them, but that’s a lot of players they think could potentially be elite.
The one thing I’m not sure about is Aaron Miller’s “electric fastball”. Charlie Hough told me that he rarely gets above 90 and that he gets guys out because of his control and not his velocity. I’m sure he’s hit 95 in the past, but to think he gets their consistently doesn’t sound right
that seems like a lot of 9’s…I know they all have C, D, or E’s after them, but that’s a lot of players they think could potentially be elite.
Bearing in mind that I know nothing about anything, that was my reaction, too. How liberal are they in handing out 9s? If a guy dominates the low minors, can’t they justify a high number grade by slapping on a low letter grade? If so, what do these rankings even mean? Let’s take De La Rosa — Elite potential, but only 10% chance of reaching that potential. You could say that that gives more info than a simple letter grade, and I suppose that’s true, but for my money, it’s basically saying, he could be great, now watch me cover my ass and say he probably won’t be but you-never-know.
These grades are useful — it is nice to think about ceiling — but they’re really only useful if they also include some sort of grade about a player’s most likely future. There’s nothing about Sands’ 9D rating that changes my mind on him: I think we should be impressed with what he did in 2010, but he’s got a long, long way to go.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I interpret it as
the number being the player ceiling based on tools and athletic ability, and the letter is assigned based on what they have actually done to show that they can live up to that potential.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Right, and I’m saying that has limited real meaning. It is useful to know what a player’s ceiling is, so the grade is useful. But we all voted Sands #1 based on that ceiling, and I would like to see a scouting report that says not what he could be, but what he probably will be.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
So Kensai doesn't have to
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2010/07/prospect-rankings-july-2010.html
Do, do, do you have it?
That is good work and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Don't thank me.
Kensai is the man. He put this out in July so he may have a more updated version, but I couldn’t find it/didn’t look that hard. I just remembered seeing this on his site at some point.
Do, do, do you have it?
I think he'll do a new one
before or during ST, not sure. If he’s around he’ll tell us :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I will do one before the season starts, yes.
Still have to start Prospect Profiles.
Sorry guys, didn’t have enough time to do a season ending one this year. I was tired from work.
Would rather take my time and do it right than give you a half assed one I didn’t like in October.
:)
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 AM PST up reply actions
I would prefer both.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
the one that stands out is BCG
does he really have any chance of becoming elite at the big league level? i could see maybe a solid regular, but elite seems a little much
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I agree on the use of 9's
for many players.
I just included the grades for reference but I wouldnt’ get to hung up on them. I was more impressed that they felt he could play all three outfield positions and liked his bat speed.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt he can really play all 3 outfield positions effectively...
he even admits it as he wrote on facebook a few weeks ago something like “I was a defensive replacement yesterday (in the Dominican Winter League)…that is the first time that has happened! I am the one usually getting replaced for defensive purposes”
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
how's he doing there?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
hitting .300, but in only 20 at bats
and all the hits have been singles. he continues rarely walk or strikeout (1 K, 0 BB)
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
As i said
his being included in the top 10 was a complete shock to me.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
same here
like I said, he’s hardly spoken of. Mostly because he hasn’t hit AA yet, and that’s when we really start caring amirite? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
And don't forget when Dee Gordon gets moved to the OF
we’ll have another potential speedy outfielder ;-)
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The numbers will change though based on what they have actually done
See Trayvon for example.
You should think of it more as if they have the potential to be “Elite” they are at least likely to be a useful player, etc…
Two grades might be nice
Ceiling and chance of reaching it, and most likely outcome?
I know
they still have to prove it on the field, but it feels good to have a well thought of system. There is some derision of our talent level around here sometimes so it is nice to hear some positives from other people.
Just catching up on the thread now!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Be gentle with us
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
The reason we don't talk about BCG too much
is his age. IIRC. 22 (23?) in Lo-A. I’m glad he played well and hope he gets jumped to AA, but I’m not holding my breath.
Do, do, do you have it?
And to continue the argument from yesterday
I hope he gets jumped to AA not to validate his status as a prospect, but because it would mean DeJon Watson and Co. think he’s ready. I’m going to trust their judgment over anything I read anywhere else. Actions louder than words etc etc..
Do, do, do you have it?
What would be the sense in sticking him in Hi-A?
It’s a hitters league, and he dominated in Lo-A. He could conceivably not improve at all, and still have better numbers in Hi-A. Seems like they need to challenge him in AA, especially given his age.
by wonderphenom on Dec 17, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
someone remind me
where did BCG play last year? Lo-A right?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:36 AM PST reply actions
All Loons all the Time
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Terrible 1st half
totally dominant 2nd half
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So he rocked the league after all the good pitchers got promoted? ;-)
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by David Young on Dec 17, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
cool, thanks guys
adding on to conversation above, where to you see him starting the year? Loons? Rancho? maybe AA?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Reinforcement of the DeJesus = Juan Castro sentiment
This is probably his best case scenario (hitting for high average)
Will not hit for power, but plays solid defense and uses short, compact stroke to hit for average, though does not walk enough or steal enough bases to profile as a top of the order hitter.
fisheye
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
but other pictures
seem to indicate he weighs more then a toothpick
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
O-Dog
2 years, $11.5 Mill from the Pads
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:43 AM PST reply actions
Phil is going to kill me
Is Grady Sizemore a buy-low candidate?
When the Indians are out of it at the break, do they look to move him? I think he’s under contract for this season with a 8.5mil option for 2012.
Do, do, do you have it?
he probably wouldn't be available until the break
and then it depends on how he does until then. Coming off that Microfracture surgery which seems kind of hit and miss.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Is going to be ready to start the season?
I don’t really remember anything about his injury accept he missed the last four months of the season.
I think I heard he'll be ready
but I’m not sure.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
This Article says he should be ready barring setbacks.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
That would be great
Kemp / Sizemore / Ethier….or at least for as long as it lasts. Definitely too good to be true.
Would the Cubs be inclined to move Ramirez or Zambrano by eating a lot of their contracts? I know it would be an impossible scenario but I feel they are both very talented and will rebound nicely this year.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Ramirez is something I'd be interested in
but for the Cubs to eat the money, they’d want better prospects. A-Ram has been injured, and then there is the extension question (but then since we have no 3B in the system, might not be a bad idea.) But again, who knows if the Cubs want to move him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Well
If he returns to form in the first half. I would think the Indians would like to get a good return if his value goes back up. 8.5 is a pretty team friendly option though if he is playing like he did before 09. I don’t know if I would call it buy low, but it might be possible where it wasn’t before.
He is a Ned guy:)
By buy low do you mean trade Kemp for him:)
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Biggest problem with any of these scenarios is how poorly we match up. I’d give them Dee and Tray to start with, but who knows how atcual baseball people from other organizations view our system.
By buy low on him I mean pay full price, but he may be available due to injury/production concerns.
Do, do, do you have it?
By buy low on him I mean pay full price, but he may be available due to injury/production concerns.
This is what I was trying to say. He might actually be available now, but still cost a bit.
Right
the problem with a guy like that isn’t his price, it’s his availability. Just like when the Yankees called asking for Felix Hernandez. It’s not that they couldn’t throw a dozen good prospects at the Mariners, it’s that they have no interest in dealing him.
I’m curious what’s going on in the minds of the Indian’s FO, though i realize none of you would know that for sure. Just a hypothetical “what would you do” scenario.
Would you trade Bills for Sizemore straight up? Or would you try to build a Dee, Trayvon package?
Do, do, do you have it?
If I'm trading billz
I would want as close to a sure thing as I can get, and with his injury I’m not sure Sizemore fits that.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I think Billz is an overpay
After two injured/low production seasons. It’s a real wait an see. He might not even be able to start the season. If he can though and is as productive as he was before. I think so top prospects might be enough. Especially if our top guys start off their seasons performing well.
so=some
Maybe prospects isn’t enough. He has a really good contract. I wouldn’t do Billz though.
Seriously
Sizemore has not been good for a while and is coming off major injury. Its like trading Billz for Russel Martin.
Let me clarify by saying that I think trading Bills is not ideal, BUT:
*he’s easily our biggest trade chip
*he’ll be a free agent after 2012
*starting pitchers will never be worth more than a position player. especially a good #2 SP for a legit perennial all-star middle defender with pop and speed
*we have depth in only one area throughout our system: MLB starting pitching. You can’t trade Kershaw and you can’t trade any of the other guys we just signed, so he becomes the most likely if you plan on trading for an outfielder who is any better than Bill Hall.
Do, do, do you have it?
This is true
Seems like to big a risk though. I guess that’s what it takes sometimes though. I wouldn’t do it, If he is productive and seems healthy. I wouldn’t be upset if that deal were done though.
Gee, I dunno.
In 2008, Sizemore was one of the best players in baseball.
You can’t ignore the injury-plagued season in ‘09 and the lost season in ’10, but one way of thinking about it is that those two seasons are the only reason he is available. I can’t prove this, but I believe that if he’d been healthy, he’d have hit.
That is not like Martin, whose production cratered, and then he got injured.
So the question is what kind of price would you pay for a MVP-type player who may never see that level of play ever again due to injury? I don’t think I give up Billingsley for that, but if I could find a package of prospects that both the Dodgers and the Indians could accept, I would surely take my chances with Sizemore.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Right
it’s only an overpay if Sizemore doesn’t go back to old Sizemore. This dude could be healthy and regress and still be prime Bobby Abreu.
Do, do, do you have it?
that’s an overstatement, but he could still be Bobby Abreu if he’s healthy. I don’t give Abreu enough credit for his few seasons of near 30/40, 40/40 production.
Do, do, do you have it?
I think Bobby Abreu is a Hall of Famer. I like a big Hall, so if you’re a small Hall type, YMMV. But for my money he is the most underrated player of the last 10 years.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Underrated offensive player of the last 10 year.
Defensively he kills.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
IIRC, he didn’t use to. He was always regarded as having one of the best RF arms in the game. He’s just old now.
Do, do, do you have it?
Nah
he’s been a bad outfielder for most of this decade.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=945&position=OF
Even if you don’t agree with the rankings, just talk to Philly fans, they corraborate his defensive shortcomings in RF.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
On the surface
Billz for Sizemore might be equal but what does that get Cleveland? Not like they have a CF to replace Sizemore, and not like the team is going to compete in 2011 with Bills or Sizemore.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
who was playing there
last year? Sizemore went down in like May didn’t he?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Right
which is where I get hung up. Only way this works for Cleveland is if we trade Bills for prospects to the Yankees, then flip the prospects to CLE for Sizemore. Some third team has to be involved to get them the prospects they’d want/need.
Do, do, do you have it?
well
i’m with OB12, if there’s a trade involving Billz and the Indians, I want Choo.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Is Choo available?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
he’s arb eligible for the first time this year. But now that he doesn’t have the military service hanging over his head, the Indians have to think if they are going to lock him up.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I would not trade Choo if I were the Indians.
I would trade Sizemore. He has a reasonable deal for ’11 and a club option for ’12 with a cheap buyout.
Whatever he does in ‘11 will trigger a decision for ’12 and beyond — and if the Indians are a long way from competing, they likely do not want to extend him. In addition, if he’s injured again, or doesn’t hit, offering him arb might be dangerous. This actually might be the best time to get some value for him.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
I was just saying that IF we were offering Billz to them, I’d want Choo. I think Sizemore could be had for prospects, but who knows.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I want Choo too
…
That looks and sounds much funnier than I realized at first…
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I Choo-choo-choose Choo?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want Choo
I want Choo so bad, it’s driving me mad
/Beatles
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t Choo have to go back to Korea for his military service? I don’t know when, but I’m pretty sure it was soon. Or I could be totally wrong.
they won the gold medal in the Asian Games, so the whole SK team was excused from their military obligation.
Do, do, do you have it?
Ah
Never heard about that. Good to know. Thanks
heh
and there is already “Will they be able to extend him?” talk.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
He's very underrated IMO
in only that you don’t hear him spoken of amongst the best players in the game. Seeing what Werth got though, You wonder how much an extension would talk for Choo.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Loons stadium
what a sweet looking place to play
it’s large so i’ll just link it, at least I hope this is it.
http://lumberkings.mlblogs.com/IMG00142-20100721-1814.jpg
Do, do, do you have it?
I know man, but I’d rather stare at freshly cut grass and open skies at a baseball diamond than any woman ever.
That looks like the perfect day to go pitch. Add in the deep CF and alleys, it’s heaven.
Do, do, do you have it?
I mean she’s pretty, and it’s nice to wax pastoral while lookin at it. But why’d you have to bring women into it? Couldn’t you have said art, or a car, or something that’s an object and not a person
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
This comment might have more cachet if not for the past objectifying of our RF by the commentator.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I’d never say Andre is nicer to look at than a Van Gogh though. If it were just oogling the opposite sex, I’d make that comment every day.
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
it’s really no big, unfortunately I jumped on the board just after reading a feminist critique of Bill Simmon’s Basketball Book (it wasn’t pretty)
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I just wanted to use the word cachet.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I read that too
Simmons is funny but also kind of a tool so I wouldn’t be surprised…
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Simply because most guys would rather look at pictures of beautiful women than beautiful architecture, cars, what have you.
It’s not a sin to enjoy looking at the opposite sex if you can avoid objectifying them.
Do, do, do you have it?
Eric would you mind deleting my comments above please?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
EVERYBODY REFRESH
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Refresh
VeroJoe – I deleted your comment not because of the content but because you put your full email address in the comment. Sorry for the trouble you are having but when leaving an email address use a format like
molokai
at
yahoo.com
otherwise as Nolander said, you might get more span then you want.
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thanks fellas
again I’m sorry for putting it out there like that, but for me to drink is to die and stewing like this isn’t healthy. I really appreciate your kindness….like I said TBLA is the very best place on the internet full of the coolest people you’ll ever meet!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
This is easily the best advice
When you’re going through hell, keep on going.
Do, do, do you have it?
Hang in there
my earlier reply got blasted out, but I’ll do the drinking for you. The best thing I read is your only 29. You may not realize it, but that’s still incredibly young. You have plenty of time to find the right one still. This will get better.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Whatever you do
don’t stab her 20 times. That is a banning offense.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Implying VeraJoe may be a really good attempted murderer and a poor murderer. You know, something like a 9C prospect.
Do, do, do you have it?
I found that very funny yesterday
my wife did not. Then again she does not think I’m funny and I’m fucking hilarious.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Story of my life
Then again she does not think I’m funny and I’m fucking hilarious.
:-/
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
It doesn't fit here but your comment
made me think of the classic: “The world needs ditch diggers too.”
by bhsportsguy on Dec 17, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
TBLA is the very best place on the internet full of the coolest people you’ll ever meet!
-VeroJoe
Now there’s a T-shirt.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions
Say Hi
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
He is well. He’s still in the bay area doing his thing. He is actually a part of SBN already, though he mainly is active with California Golden Blogs (aka CGB, the Cal sports blog). He’s a bit of a higher-up there and goes by “atomsareenough.” I was posting on CGB for a month or so when he realized that he knew me from Dodger Thoughts. I, of course, had no idea he was the same Vishal until he pointed it out. ’Twas a bit of a revelation.
So last night we both went to the CGB Chicken and Waffles Night, held at Jack London Square. Good times.
Just kidding. I love everyone exactly the same amount.
Thanks, Josie! Right back atcha :)
sanity thief
by atomsareenough on Dec 17, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. “Higher-up” is a bit of a stretch, though, hehe.
sanity thief
by atomsareenough on Dec 17, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a TBLA weekend for the ages
Dodgers
#Dodgers split squad to play #Cubs on Sun, March 13 in Las Vegas at 1:05 pm PT. Road trip? Tix avail at (702) 798-7825
March Madness
in Vegas in the best.
Usually the National Fantasy draft is also that weekend.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
does it take place in the American Dream-space?
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I was there for that last year
In Vegas for a Wedding, but the days before in the Casinos I found many rooms watching B-Ball. It was fun.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
the sports book during March Madness is the ultimate basketball experience.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I’m intimidated by the betting rooms in Vegas. The board is huge and I can’t imagine how anyone is introduced to that world.
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
There is nothing like having 4-5 games going on
and then watching everyone cheer every basket or stop with of course, a look at the point spread.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 17, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Totally
every score means something to someone in that room. When the final score happens 50% are happy as hell, 50% are mad as hell.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I have only been there once
during that weekend, the last two weekend trips I did in March were to Camelback.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 17, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
From uni-watch, thought it was worth sharing
You’re looking at an invitation to come watch the Brooklyn Superbras (nee Robins, Dodgers) play the Boston club (I’m gonna assume it’s the eventual Braves) from 1894
I would like to have the presence of myself and ladies requested.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think that’s the best part. It’s the old version of an email oppening “Yo homes, bring lots of fly girls to my party”
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
“Excuse me, ma’am. Would you like to attend a sporting event with me? I have a formal request, in calligraphy and everything!”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
sidenote: Did you know that England also had a professional baseball league at this time? It kinda peters out before the 20’s, but there’s still a British Baseball Federation and a National League. There’s a team called the London Mets. Weird.
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
also in Italy
there are leagues and federations…it started there in Anzio when American GIs helped recruit and train kids after WWII.
Here’s the park in Bologna:
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Superbras
now that team name would get folks to the park
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
whoops, Superbas, I apparently read that wrong. No idea what a superba is though
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
it is
thank you Ken Burns’ Baseball
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
just an antiquated way
of saying a hum-dinger, a wonder, a marvel. Colloquial too, I suppose.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
can you name one?
curious
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Willie Mays
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think i'd believe him more than Mantle
nothing against him, I just remember there being questions about him, and I think he did poorly in the Minors at first before his Dad gave him the ol’ kick in the ass.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
There it is. Dominated the minors at 18-19, dominated the bigs at 20.
by silverwidow on Dec 17, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Clemente, maybe?
Bonus baby, Dodgers lose him, goes on to HOF career?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
to many issues with plate discipline.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Usually when you sign your franchise QB to an $70 million extension.
You don’t demote him to the 3rd string.
Wasn’t it determined that something really small, like less than $10 million of that, was guaranteed?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
They can cut him at the end of the year
and pay him nothing
by SeanMillerSavior on Dec 17, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I've got the inside story to the McNabb extension
:-D
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Especially not for
Rex Effin’ Grossman
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
You gotta unleash the dragon
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Welcome to the World of Shanahan.
Enjoy the rollercoaster, ’Skins fans.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
you’re really going to bemoan the only coach to make the Broncos champions?
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Saying its a wild ride
does not sound like bemoaning to me.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
well it’s not like he said “hang on cause there’s an upside” sounded more like “bring a puke bag”
by Josie Becker on Dec 17, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
both are correct ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yeah I love Shanny for what he did at his peak
and helping coach them to 2 SB titles. But that’s not the same as judging how he’s been the past 5-6 years or so, particularly when in charge of personnel. He tends to favor guys all of a sudden. Sometimes he’s like the Joe Torre of coaches, except also in charge of personnel.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And he's often terrible at communicating
so certain players get really ticked off and then the locker room gets tumultuous. Ask Jake Plummer some time. So he brings a lot of good as a strategist but as a man with personnel and decisions he can be crazy.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And he’s often terrible at communicating
You covered that with the Torre comparison :-p
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
hee. touche.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
well that
and a great running game.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
This
Terrell Davis was a monster in those days.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Not only that
but that running game continued to be good for years. Too bad they ran Terell Davis into the ground. I’ve brought his name up a billion times this year when people get angry that Arian Foster isn’t getting 30 carries a game.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Indeed, I too have thought of Terrell with Foster
and am glad he’s not getting the same treatment. Poor TD. Could’ve been a hall of famer…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Very true
That O-line was amazing for a long stretch, and their RBs made the most of it, for sure. And I agree, I can’t see a back running 30+ times a game for multiple seasons without breaking down ridiculously fast. I think I heard somewhere that the average lifespan of a RB in the NFL is something ludicrous like 1.6 years…crazy.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
2013 Dodgers (mostly homegrown) Lineup
Gordon SS
Trayvon CF
Kemp RF (if extended)
Sands 1B
Free Agent 3B
Uribe 2B
BCG/Garcia/Russell LF
Free Agent C
Kershaw
Billz (if extended)
Webster
Lilly
A. Miller
Jansen
Kuo (if extended and arm not exploded)
Rubby
Belisario
Guerrier
Withrow
E. Martin
Why not Uribe 3b
and Dejesus 2b?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
My 2013 lineup
SS Gordon
CF Robinson
RF Kemp
1B Sands
3B José Bautista (he’s a FA in 2012)
2B Uribe
LF Garcia
C Doumit (FA in 2012)
Bench
C Barajas
LF Russell
CF BCG
1B Hinske
2B/3B Infante
Rotation
Kershaw
Bills
Lilly (then traded in July) —> Withrow or A.Miller
Webster
Rubby
Bullpen
CL Jansen
SU Kuo
Guerrier
Belisario
Solano
Other 2 homegrown relievers
"Oh ville lumière, sens la chaleur de notre coeur, vois-tu notre ferveur quand nous marchons près de toi. Dans cette conquête, chasser l'ennemi, enfin pour que nos couleurs brillent encore..."
"Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap) et nous chantons en choeur (clap clap clap clap). Nous sommes les parisiens (clap clap clap clap), fidèles à nos couleurs (clap clap clap clap). Lololo lololo, lololo lololo"
Kiss my Aul[ass], hahaha
From Rosenthal
Source: #Astros agree with Bill Hall. Will be regular 2B. 1 yr, $3M range with mut opt. Pending physical.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 17, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
silver lining
Its nice to know ned wasn’t willing to overpay him?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
But we overpaid others that would provide less of an impact.
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Which is saying something, since we are talking about Bill Hall.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, it's really hard to cry about it isn't it?
Also: 2nd base? Really… I’ll take Uribe if that’s what Hall really wanted.
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Don't understand
his bat plays much better as a 2nd baseman then as a LF.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Not true either.
he played 51 games at 2nd base last year.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallbi03.shtml
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking of his defense
thought it was worse in the infield than the outfield, no?
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who are these others that will have less impact?
Maybe barajas? and….
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Recently I would say Barajas and Matt G
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Lucky Gurrier?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
a shame
we didn’t get the guy with the Spanish name that doesn’t pronounce it the Spanish way.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I mean I just figured with what we have been spending, we could have matched and/or gone up a little on the deal with Hall
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
My only hope is that whatever they saw in Podsednik that made them start looking for somebody better will let them keep looking for somebody better.
These are the straws at which I grasp.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
can I grasp?
are there enough straws?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Grasp away, but be advised, the straws are all just out of reach. Even if your fingertips brush them, it’s very likely that all the straws will end up on the floor.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
the floor
swarming with ALLIGATORS!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
At least when we sign bad players, we don’t think of creative ways to make them extra bad.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I know its nice to dream
But didn’t we all know ALL ALONG that Podboy would be back…
You may as well vote for the mythical baseball playing demons of Planet Zantar. They have as much of a chance of starting in Chavez Ravine in April as Sands or Robinson do.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
by that logic
we’d have to wait for all the guys in front of them to get hurt in ST. Not a great scenario
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Zantar
I hear PEDs are easy to get there. Plus they lie about their age.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
But you'd never know
Baseball HQ rates all Zantar prospects as 9E
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
whatever
they keep getting knocked out of the first round of the Universal Baseball Classic.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well, sure.
Those mosters from Planet Dominica will always beat everybody.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Planet Nihonex
FTW!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I do think you have to work in players like Sands and Robinson to fill out holes if only to let Ned keep on spending the Barajas and Guerrier of the world.
I fully expect one if not both of them to get AB’s in 2011 prior to September. Hopefully the AB’s are for the Dodgers.
We’re probably going to spend at least $25 million on Kemp/Ethier alone next year. There will be some cost savings somewhere on the team.
That's 2012.
If everything goes right for Sands or Robinson, sure, I can see one of them getting the call in 2012.
Not April 2011.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I just think its an interesting dilemma for Ned. He’s at the point where his first inclination is to look for veterans on the FA market, but its just not happening for him.
He almost has to look at internal options now, not just for this year but the year beyond when his core group of players are going to get ready to jump ship.
We might be better off just waiting till the trade deadline
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
If you go into the year with Sands or Robinson as option one, what do you do when they hit .200 in April?
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. The farm screwed the pooch in ‘10, but a new wave came forward and could save Ned’s ass. If this year’s top guys have a year like last year’s top guys, I don’t know what Ned is going to do.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well, yes. That is what he will do.
I suppose I meant, “I don’t know what Ned is going to do if he wants to put a competitive club on the field.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
but what if last years top guys have a year like last last years not top guys who had top years? Then what?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
That would also work out just fine.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 17, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Party like its 1999
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
With Gywnn in fold
will they really bring in Pods? Just seems so unlikely to me.
So Bill Hall took one year so he could play the infield. I like the fact he went with the team willing to give him a job in the place he wants to play.
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yeah
thankfully, i don’t see Colletti bringing Pods back. They already have 4 Lefthanded OF. Hopefully, this is a precursor to a trade for a bigger bat (Quentin)
by court168627 on Dec 17, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Okay back to my first choice of Scott Hairston
Kearns is 2nd
Blotto is 3rd
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Nobody
just love the name for a right handed hitting slugger
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
so a hope and a prayer?
I mean Hairston was horrible against everyone last year.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
really?
You’re hoping for Hairston? He’s a pretty pathetic hitter.
by court168627 on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
2010 is only one season. When healthy he can hit left handers with the best of them.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
i guess
but a .331 OBP against righties is not exactly what i was hoping for
by court168627 on Dec 17, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Hairston
would only be signed to hit left handed pitching.
At least one would hope so. Paul or Gibbons or Gwynn would have to be the other side. It is not ideal, it is not what we would have wanted, but it might have to do until better options present themselves.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Survey
Just did a survey on candy. Now I want Sour Patch Kids or Swedish Fish
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Gibbons is a bench player he will not be a starting LF
So that means right now our starting LF is either Paul or Gwynn Jr. Even if we trade for/sign another LFer, we are but an injury away from T-Rob making a big league appearance.
You
forget the Aussie and Hoffman and Russell Mitchell.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
by meercatjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
BCG!!!! :)
F U alll lol jk but seriously i dont see what you guys dont see in him, hope he proves most of you wrong
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by Chuy Gutierrez on Dec 17, 2010 12:41 PM PST reply actions
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