Zack Greinke Joins the National League
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 19, 2010 9:24 AM PST
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The Brewers look like a formidable team with the acquisition of Zack Greinke which now give them a solid one/two pitching punch in Greinke/Gallardo to go along with their potent offense.
Could the Dodgers have matched this trade?
Alcides Escobar was the Brewers top prospect entering 2010 with some ROY aspirations. He failed to meet them, but he's still a defensive whiz with the glove, and young enough that he could still meet those early expectations.
Dee Gordon would be the closest thing we have to him. But he's still in AA, is certainly not a defensive whiz at this point in his career, and certainly not someone in the same class right now as the SS they did acquire.
Lorenzo Cain is a center fielder with many of the same attributes as Trayvon Robinson. They both have plus speed, they both have limited power, they both strike out to much given the limited power. The big difference is that Cain is already a major league center fielder, while Robinson might be one in 2012.
Jeremy Jeffries was the Brewers number three prospect. He's ready for the major leagues right now. We don't have anyone close to Jeffries that is ready for MLB right now. If Elbert had kept on the right track he'd be that guy, but he didn't, so all of our other top rotational prospects are in AA and below at least two years away. Withrow also could have been this guy if he had not looked like a AA version of Brett Tomko. Wild and HIttable, not exactly something a GM is going to gamble on.
Jake Odorizzi is the prospect not ready for prime time. He was the number five prospect, and as Canuck said, looks pretty close to an Allen Webster comp.
The Royals got three players who will be playing major league baseball with the Royals in 2011, and one solid prospect. We can't match that. Now the Royals may have been better off in the future with Gordon, Robinson, Withrow, Webster then what they got today since it is possible that Gordon and Robinson will have better futures then Escobar and Cain but they went with the players ready to contribute now.
On the flip side if we had acquired Grienke, we certainly would have had to deal Billingsley for the hitting we need, something I'm not that interested in doing.
Hopefully for the Royals they will get some benefit from this deal and not have it compared to the Santana deal. For the Brewers they just might have enough pitching to make a run at the Cardinals/Reds. They certainly have the offense.
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Source: Dodgers were working on Greinke possibilities into weekend, had drawn in a third team to satisfy KC needs, ran out of time.
My guess is that Billingsley would have gone to the “3rd team” for prospects, which would then be sent to KC.
Right
if the end result is Greinke instead of Billingsley and you lose prospects, why bother?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
True, but Greinke is a better pitcher than Billz. We’d have had to see what the entire deal was before saying undesirable.
If you exclude for 2010, Overall career numbers, and declining breaking pitches
Then yes, Greinke is better.
by Taylor Maricle on Dec 19, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Not like anyone will read this
But 2010 – Greinke>Billingsley
We musn’t be homer nows.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
that means
he prefers Greinke over Billz, thinks he’s more of a difference maker. I could see that from his perspective, though I like Billz a lot.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
I think if Ned
was willing to do that a deal would have gotten done but how much better would the team be with Greinke instead of Chad? Not enough in my opinion.
I think he was trying to deal other parts of the team for prospects that KC wanted. KC may not have needed Jansen but other teams might have been willing to part with prospects KC wanted for Jansen. On the other hand KC could really use Jansen.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Agreed
and even if Billingsley was in a trade, I would have to think he would bring offense (plus prospects, depending on the players of course) to make it anywhere close to doable for the Dodgers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Was it you or Humma who were championing the DeJesus for DeJesus trade? :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
I can get behind De Jesus for De Jesus, but really, my primary name-based trade idea is to acquire all the major league players named Cabrera and start them all.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 19, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I would have been very happy
with DeJesus as our LF.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
What does it mean that we ran out of time? If we had a 3rd team to satisfy the Royals needs shouldn’t a trade have been done? Were we really interested in Greinke. I would rather have Billingsley because he is cheaper and other than one great year by Greinke they are pretty similar. Someone tell Ned we have enough pitching and go after a real LF not Thames or Hairston.
Just because the third team could have satisfied KC’s needs doesn’t mean the total package did.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Wait til Greinke
gets a load of our offense. Hooooaaahhhh!!
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Ned is all in with problematic starters.
…and doesn’t really ever seem to have a master plan. Acquisition of Dotel, Pods, Theriot a prime example
Watching 24/7 Penquins / Capitals
which is very good, and piques my interest even though I have limited to no interest in hockey…anyway on one road trip the Penguins took everything (beds, dressers, TVs, everything) out of two guys’ rooms (a rookie and second-year guy) and put them in the hallway. It was pretty funny, but was hilarious when the two young players were asked, they said, “We’re gonna find out who did this, and then do nothing about it.” :)
Also, in something later a Capitals player was ejected for spearing a guy with his stick or something. The Caps’ captain was talking to the ref about the explanation, and when the ref said the other player was bleeding, the Caps’ guy said, “it’s just because he has sensitive skin, no?” Hockey players are badass.
It's a really cool doc
Although I wish they would stop shoving Sid/OV down our throats. I like the fact that the Caps are slumping while 24/7 is being filmed, because it makes the doc that much more interesting. But when the Pens are winning, they’re so bland, and even cardboard when they’re losing. I just wish they would’ve done this for the past WC with Flyers/Bruins. Now THAT would be an entertaining documentary. Or maybe if they did it with my Ducks, although I know you guys don’t get snow over there like we do up here in Canada…
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
I’m guessing the 3rd team was Milwaukee who basically said midway through “fuck it, why don’t we just take Greinke, keep Prince and make another run for it”
good for Milwaukee
they have good fans and deserve a good product. The NL could have some incredible pitching with the Phils, Braves, Brewers, Dodgers and Giants’ staffs (even the Marlins could be really good). If the Brewers put it all together and face the Phils in the playoffs (or Giants of course), I know who I’m rooting for there.
Speaking of putting it all together, the Royals might be on the verge of a mini-Braves run. I say Braves instead of Yankees cos we all know how hard it is to win multiple championships in a big market these days, let alone a small one.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
If Kobe scores more than 17 this morning
He will have the third-most points for a single franchise in NBA history.
At the moment:
Malone, Utah: 36,374 points
Jordan, Chicago: 29,277
Hakeem, Houston: 26,511
Kobe: 26,498
Phil - I disagree
The Royals got ripped off.
Escobar – the SS sucks…he hit .235/.288/.326 last year. He’s going to be 24yrs old next year. At his best he looks like Cesar Izturis.
Cain – he’s going to be 25yrs old next year. He’s nothing special.
The other two guys are just pitching prospects. No Greinke level guys.
+100
the pitching prospects: one was in LOW A ball last year. and while he did good, wasnt all that elite…
the other is a headcase who has gotten baned from Milb twice for weed… the only reason he is in the mlb is because they dont want him to be banned for life..
by matthewmafa on Dec 19, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Escobar
I didn’t know this…per Keith Law’s column:
Escobar wore out his welcome with coaches in Milwaukee’s system and in winter ball and has been accused by his estranged wife (the daughter of former big leaguer Omar Moreno) of abandoning her and his daughter and refusing to pay child support.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
What is Granick's contract situation?
Couple years of arb left? Brewers plan to sign him long-term? Does he like cheese?
Signed through 2012.
10:$7.25M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$13.5M
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/kansas-city-royals_28.html
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
two years, $27 million left on his contract.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
From Mike Simon of ESPN
Each AL Cy winner from 2006 to 2009 got traded to an NL team within 2 years of winning it.
kershaw and someone else
oh yah kershaw is not ever gonna be considered an ace
by matthewmafa on Dec 19, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin_Goldstein
Jeremy Jeffress has been informed that he will be the PTBNL in Greinke deal.
I’ve been persuaded that this is a solid trade for KC.
I’m not sure if you even like baseball at this point. Tell me, is it pure ignorance that drives you or just a general lack of knowledge?
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
by G.Scott on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you think his position is wrong?
I am by no means an expert on other teams farm systems, but there seems to be plenty of disagreement on this deal from KCs perspective.
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
It’s his general urge to be negative.
The fact is KC traded a player with big money owed to him (okay, so his performance makes the deal worth it, but it’s still 27 million over 2 years) who didn’t want to be there anymore for 3 young, cost-controlled MLB players and a top 10 prospects.
What more do you expect out of a trade like this? It’s not like they traded for Joe Saunders.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
It’s not like they traded for Joe Saunders
The contention is that none of the four players acquired by KC will be lucky to have the impact of Saunders.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
cause they are cost controlled but arent really that good
they could have goten much more…
by matthewmafa on Dec 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Negative about what?
I said it was a good deal for the Brewers.
So if its a good deal for one team…its probably going to be a bad deal for the other team.
It seems like there are varying positions, but I think from KC’s perspective they may have left some talent on the table but they got what they said they wanted, a CFer and SS. They got some projectible young talent that is mostly MLB-ready to go along with a bunch of talent they already have that is close to MLB-ready. I think they did all right.
My thoughts on the Grienke trade
I’m not gonna get broken up over not getting a player we really didn’t need. Even if he’s awesome.
Gotta say though, MIL looks like they might have a competitive rotation now.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions
I dont get it..
Why is it that all these graet pitchers go, for prospects, but yet everybody that looks for players from the Dodgers, start with Chad Billingsley? I would’ve been one pissed of motherfucker, if Bills went in that trade. We have no offense.. whats the difference between losing 3-1 with Bills, and 2-1 with Greinke?
God.. I hope Ned was looking at it like Kershaw, Greinke, Bills, Kuroda and Lilly in the same rotation. That would have been a good day for Dodger fans.
my guess
is the hope they could trade Billz for a bat. Like others here, I’m not sure how I’d have felt about that.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Short answer: the Dodgers’ prospects are a combination of either not that good, or not close enough to the majors if they are that good.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
counterpoint: For a team like the Royals, why should they care if prospects good enough aren’t close to the majors?
2011 and 2012 are punt years for them.
Good point.
Wasn’t Billingsley the guy they wouldn’t trade for Halladay, Lee or Oswalt? Why do it for Greinke? If they are going to move him for a bat, I dont see why they havent done it yet, if they are going to do it all. Im sure teams would be lining up if Bills were to be available. Chad was as good as anybody in the second half last year. .219 baa, .296 obp, .591 ops, 90 Ks in 96 innings. Honestly, Im biased, of course.. but I wouldnt trade Bills for Zach, straight up. And if its for a bat.. it better be a Ryan Braun type.
Because if they are farther away, they are riskier, because you are having to project farther into the future what their outcome is going to be.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
My hope has always been that
These guys future salaries are being considered in future plans for payroll. I guess thats why I’m frustrated about Martin, and the fact it was 800k off, and the deal didnt get done. Maybe if it had actually gone to arbitration, he would have gotten even more, then I understand the risk being much higher. These guys are still REALLY young. Guys like Kershaw and Billingsley still havent even reached the primes of their careers, as far as age goes. Their still so much room for improvement for both. Bills pitched like an ace again last year, the second half. Maybe this year, he takes that step foward. Im actually expecting it, if he is healthy.
At least it's nice to know that Ned's working on stuff..
… Oh wait a minute, maybe not. Forgot for a moment who I was talking about.
The deal really makes me wonder
…how many deals and no-deals Ned made recently looking toward Grienke. For one, I agree with Phil that this had to have included by Bills for an outfield bat. But was Guerrier somehow intended to replace Broxton or another reliever?
Also, I note that Heyman says that the Nats were involved at one point, but Grienke turned them down. The third team?
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions
I don't think they were the third team
because Grienke would have been coming here, so I wouldn’t have mattered if he didn’t want to go to the Nats.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but the Nats were still looking for pitching, so maybe they would have taken Bills for the same package or some variation thereof, and then Ned would still ship the same prospects to KC.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
maybe
but that would have been a ridiculous move. It still wouldn’t have solved our greatest need.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
It certainly seems like Ned was loading up on pitching in order to make something happen. Perhaps Grienke and somehow netting an OFer in the process. What this does tell me is that Ned is not satisfied with what we currently have and may still be in the process of trying to get another piece.
1) if we picked up Greinke via trade, ESPN et all would be calling out DODGERS PICK UP A HEAD CASE, NOT AN ACE
2) I’m not surprised Ned looked at this trade even thou we don’t need him. He’s looking for a big move that would “only” cost prospects because who knows if he’s gonna be around in a year or two, so he needs to do what he can to look like hes helping the team (even if hes not).
my only guess,
is that if he DIDN"T want to trade from the rotation, he was looking at who would be here next year. Billz, Kershaw, and Lilly is the 2012 rotation so far. You get Grienke, and that’s a great 1-4, and then maybe Kuroda comes back for one more year. But point is, it’s not happening. I like our rotation.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
awesoke shot
by Kobe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 AM PST reply actions
Only if he’s in the subway playing his guitar for quarters.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I was waiting for that, I didn’t know if Dayton had a history of panhandling type antics or if Eric was just saying the first thing that popped in his head.
Yeah the answer is a street performer.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
man
i thought this was a hard question. i was gonna say the right answer btu i was worried that you were gonna be like “DUH, in BRITISH DICTION it means ((something really random and obscure))”. :[
Well it is chiefly British, though it may have crossed over
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
“No Busking” signs are found all over Tube stations, I finally had to ask what was being prohibited.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
see, okay, it’s not a common word in American English, it’s just that mintcore is just as an obscure snob as I am
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
i experienced plenty of busking
when i lived in boston and it was mentioned on treme! and a mike doughty album!
Amanda Palmer was a busker before she was a recording artist with a label, though I don’t think she ever stopped being a busker
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
a busker in Boston I mean, thus the relevance of the reply
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
i dont know who that is
dresden dolls or something?
i was a big fan of the banjo guy, the recorder guy, and i hated the dude who would tell people to kill themselves for not giving enough money.
or something…you knew well enough to know she was the singer in the Dresden Dolls : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
and she’s engaged to Neil Gaiman, she’s like the hipster queen!
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not really either, but it was part of my theater kid training
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
OK Josie, what is a "serviette?"
Same diction in use.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions
a bloody napkin
same diction in reply : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nicely done.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Deal done
Royals traded RHP Zack Greinke, SS Yuniesky Betancourt and cash to the Brewers for OF Lorenzo Cain, SS Alcides Escobar, RHP Jake Odorizzi and RHP Jeremy Jeffress.
I thought I read 2mil from KC to MIL
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
they were saying
it could be about $2M in order to buy out Betancourt’s option for 2012
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
I keep forgetting Yuniesky was in the deal.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Repeating the obvious. Joel Meyers is a terrible play by play guy.
by Alex41592 on Dec 19, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
need to promote spero from the radio
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 19, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You would think the Lakers would realize that Joel Meyers deserves no loyalty to keep his job.
by Tripon on Dec 19, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Lakers know what they have in Spero. I’m just getting really impatient.
Joel has a face for radio and Spero is in every single way made for television and is far superior to Meyers. Again, the obvious.
by Alex41592 on Dec 19, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A simulcast would be fine, too, although I know teams are generally hesitant to do that anymore.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hokay, so
I think this horse has been beaten into glue at this point, but it’s pretty GD depressing that we’re looking at (in fact, hoping for) Marcus Thames as an upgrade in left field next year.
I think at this point, since all of the options are essentially terrible, there isn’t much harm to letting any of the options we currently employ and seeing what market develops and where the season goes.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
I wouldn't be surprised
that they’ll be looking even if they sign one of those guys. I think they’re looking to see which guy from the minors takes the reigns and makes strides to be there in 2012. Be it Sands, Robinson, or even Russell
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
i think
there is a bigger sin (in the eyes of “regular fans” and the “media” and worst of all, frank mccourt) of inactivity. if ned doesnt do anything and lets xpaul, hoffmann, etc do their thing and they arent any good then he’s screwed more for his inactivity than if he was to pick up thames or hairston and have them suck – in that case he could at least say he “tried” even thou it was a bad move.
Starting Paul/Hoffmann in left and there’s no way Ned could get crushed for inactivity. The Dodgers (even without LF) had the most active offseason in baseball.
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
this
It seems the general feeling is the Dodgers did a lot this offseason, and they did.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
from thinking people, yes
but from mindless fans/media/plaschke…. ned could sign a new player to every position but LF and people will still complain for inactivity in LF.
Don't care about them at all
The Dodgers will still sell 3 million tickets, and the Plaschkes and Simers will always be what they are.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
again, i know WE don't care about them
but Mr. PR Ned might and Frank is in enough hot water I bet he’s extra careful about how he looks to ALL fans. Can’t allow any more bad press about him.
My personal opinion is Ned will wait and pull an O-Dogg on LF, waiting until he can get a decent deal on someone at the last minute.
There is nobody out there to acquire that will quell any thoughts of “we don’t have a LF.”
I agree eventually somebody will be signed, but it’s not going to be anybody that makes fans week in the knees.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
i just think people want
1) Change
2) The Familiar
hahah, what an oxymoron but people want the dodgers to have “new” players – i bet you plenty of people wont even realize we had to resign Lilly or Kuroda… – and they want players they reconize. Hey! Thames was a yankee! I heard he was good!
Again, I think its less of a view of talent and more of a view of active vs inactive. It’s like when you’re at work, you could be doing something productive but you got your feet up on your desk and you look like you’re slacking off to your boss, vs being very involved in your computer screen but really just coming up with TBLA slogans ;D
There is no way John Q. Public will look at this Dodger offseason as “inactive.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Never realized baseball managing was so political. Hopefully all these moves will work, but then of course Ned is just a button pusher
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Only guy I can think of that would make only marginal sense who John-Q Public would like
Carlos Beltran.
I only say it makes no sense because of the price I think it would demand.
Maybe Mike Cameron would be available, but I don’t think trading for him would have any more impact than letting Paul play.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
I wonder how expensive Beltran would be player wise
if the Dodgers just offered to pay the bulk of his remaining contract. it’s a trade that won’t likely happen anyway, so why not wonder?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea where to even start. They don’t need anymore MI prospects, so Gordon is out, and all of our pitching prospects are too far away from the majors for us to compete with other teams should he become available.
At this point, I’m of the opinion that it’s not us, it’s them.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
Right
Nobody is going to say, “Well, we got Marcus Thames. I’m fully satisfied by this transaction.”
(not that anybody speaks like this)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Werth and Crawford are not stars.
Manny was a star (which still speaks to your point since Manny is who is gone but he had probably worn out his welcome with the masses anyway)
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t Uribe cover his bases with such people? He’s got a ring in a box.
"Baseball is the heart of America, I would never do anything to besmirch our National Pastime."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 19, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I could see why Ned could be slammed for not having a LF. It was his biggest hole coming into the season, bigger than 2nd base or the relief core, both that he tinkered with (and over indulged), while leaving the gaping hole in LF.
Its like when you have to write a ten page report due first thing in the morning, but you decide that you need to do other stuff like play video games, hang out with your friends, do some reading for another class, and make plans for after finals.
And you still haven’t started the paper by midnight. Oops.
No, 3 holes in the rotation was a bigger need than a LF.
If the Dodgers signed a LF but had Monk and Ely at the 4/5 you’d be saying the exact same thing.
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
If the Dodgers signed Werth or Crawford, probably not. Colletti chose to spend his money on multiple players, but still wasn’t able to acquire a LF.
That said, I don’t really care what he does with LF, because the current situation will allow either Robinson or Sands to move into the spot in the end, which I want anyway.
Haha
Nice analogy. :)
I will say the fact that the Dodgers went into the season with two starting pitchers made that a bigger hole than LF, but it’s still a big hole to be filled, that’s for sure.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking of so many different ways to end my thought, and I couldn’t avoid this inevitability. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
If the Grienke deal proves anything.
Trading Billingsley for ANYTHING would be way too little. Keep him and try the Super Pitching approach that the Dodgers somehow developed.
Agreed
The allure of the Garland and Padilla deals, to me, was that they occupy the 5 and 6 spots in the rotation. If they were to move up to 4 & 5, I would be less enthused (unless Bills netted someone like Fielder, which was never going to happen).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Starting to get excited for Saturday’s Lakers-Heat matchup. It’s possible Miami could be riding a 14-game winning streak heading into Christmas, but they do have to face the 21-5 Mavs this week, too.
If one is given tickets for this matchup, is that a good enough excuse to miss family x-mas gatherings? or is it in the Christmas spirit to turn them down or donate them to a couple of nice lesbos or something
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Donate them for some nice lesbo action is the correct answer here.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I constantly have the Juno script running through my head
“I think I’m gonna keep it and donate it to a woman with a bum ovary or a couple of nice lesbos or something”
occasionally I stop talking and Diablo Cody speaks for me
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
we could add Sandra Lee and have a trifecta of women who’ve managed to turn one good trick into B-list fame, though I’d argue that Diablo has some amount of talent, though I haven’t watched United States of Tara
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I hope the Dodgers play with 2 outfielders
and a rover
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
we could sell doggie hats, inflatable doggie bone thundersticks
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
seriously though
I want to make a poster that says “We don’t call him Kid K for nothing” at like an ESPN or nationally broadcast game and have the K backwards. These are the things I think about on the plane.
Winter is coming.
the first problem with your scenario, is assuming the Dodgers are gonna have a nationally televised home game next year. We might get two or three pity dates just cause the Fox Sports studios are in LA
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I assuming that ESPN will eventually get their way, by virtue of money
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
BS
cant believe this crap. kershaw starting the year at home. now if someone else starts in sf and kershaw is “saved” for the home opener – this is the kind of thing the stupid media uses to brand kid K as a “non-ace”
I’ve been told that Opening Day starter is the true ace, regardless of home or away
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Roverwood
FTW
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Now that Willingham is off the table
David DeJesus is one of the only trade candidates left.
But, he’s coming off a torn thumb so the Royals may want to build up his value first.
Trade a couple prospects to the Mets for Beltran if they pay half of his contract. Beltran would be better than any free agent available and would be a good #2 hitter after Furcal.
by dodgers4life on Dec 19, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I like Raburn, but I think he’s starting this year in DET
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think Raburn could be had. Their OF is set with Boesch,Jackson and Ordonez. I wonder what it would take to get Raburn. He is versatile and has some power. Maybe Russell and Ely for Raburn.
by dodgers4life on Dec 19, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they have Raburn ahead of Boesch on the depth chart.
That’s certainly how they ended the year. Raburn had won that job.
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, and there’s NFW that Ely and Russell gets anybody.
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
What would it take to get Beltran or Raburn?
by dodgers4life on Dec 19, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
For Beltran, it would take a willingness to pay something like ~$9 million or so for a wing and a prayer.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
In fact, I will go try to put a dent in that for the Raider game! :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
The Colts are still alive
They’re going to beat the Jags.
The Lions
snap their 26 game road losing streak. Stunning the Bucs in OT.
As a Dolphin fan
I can say that with the way our offence is playing the Lions might have a 2 game road winning streak. My Phins can win at home.
oak/den map stopped at Santa Barbara, they know there are no Raider fans in LA : p
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Note to self
Bring stabbing knife to next TBLA event.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 1:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I AM a Raider fan
Anything is a stabable offense.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 1:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ah! that explains it haha
i grew up a Rams fan. My parents told me I would get stabbed if I was a Raiders fan. I guess they were wrong!
I went to a Raider game at the Coliseum
and they stabbed me because I wasn’t wearing enough black!
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Don’t worry though, mintxcore, it’s a santoku knife from Williams Sonoma so it should meet your standards. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Followed by famous, history changing words
I’d like to get in that patch.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
UNBELIEVABLE ENDING
Eagles win on a punt return. Incredible failure by the Giants.
that’s an apt description of former Berkeley students
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Worst ending for Giants at home against the Eagles since 1978 (jump to the :30 sec mark to avoid the annoying intro)?
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I gotta believe that Fielder is off the trading block now, yeah? Brewers gotta take their chances with him this year, yes?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 19, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Only AD made the analrapist joke, however!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 2:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing says happy holidays like Katy Perry in a tight dress (on CBS).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 1:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
My dad and I were just talking about her. What exactly are you referring to? We have the Jets/Pit game on CBS.
pro’lly the Grammy’s commercial and her breasts
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
CBS keeps advertising some sort of holiday special, featuring Perry, her boobs, and some others.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 2:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m pro-Perry, pro-Perry’s boobs, and pro-Perry in Tight Dress. These are the stands I’m willing to take for this fine site. Somebody has to have principles around here. You’re welcome.
Katy Perry is pro Katy Perry's boobs as well
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
when she did a show at her old high school, she made this big deal about some popular guy not dating her or something but… she looked nothing like she does now back in HS. she was a little alternative blondie christian singer girl. without big boobs. i liked her because i was into short haired alternative girls but by no means was she the person she is today.
it’s weird though, cause I wouldn’t say Katy Perry has low self esteem, just from the way her persona is packaged. In other words, I don’t think she surgically enhanced herself, but she is fully aware of the distance between her high school self and her adult self
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
one day
i will figure out a way to get files off of old mac LC 2 and hopefully find the pics of me and her
I swear I won’t use them to write a hit magnet Katy Perry in HS tabloidesque article for my pop culture website.
Totally not going to do that.
Nope, no way.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i agree
plus the freedom of not being super christian singing pop star and instead regular pop star…
she was the girl who lived across the street from my friend that we all felt bad for liking because she was a few years younge than us haha
heh. There must be guys across the country like you, who went to school with the Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and Avril Lavignes of the world all going “wow, I did not see that coming”
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
our nickname for her was "popstar" hahah
but we def did not see it coming… it was a good year before I put 2 and 2 together.
Maybe this is too on the nose, but: did you kiss Katy Perry, and did you like it?
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 19, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
sub question, did you ever witness her kiss a girl, a did you like it?
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
no
(but i would have tried, like any girl i had a crush on in HS, i tried to have her join a band with me. she said her manager wouldnt allow it)
I remember
my dad using that term when describing something in Korea.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
isn't that
a swamp?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was cigarettes
or is that just fags
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
fag is kindling, thus cigarettes are fags and, unfortunately the story goes that homosexuals were sat at the bottom of fires when they were burning witches. I don’t really believe the story though.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
no I just think the story is too convenient. I’m sure that accused homosexuals have been burned at the stake over the years, but the story goes they weren’t considered worth starting a fresh fire for, so they’d just be kindling for a larger fire burning a witch or heretic
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry fellas
the answer is a toilet
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
ok
What’s the difference between a bog and a loo then?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
there’s a lot of slang for a toilet: head, water closet, crapper, lavvy
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
but to answer your question, you here loo more in England and Bog more in Northern Ireland
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
What do you guys think about Jason Kubel of the Twins? I think he would be a good fit for us. Trade Blake, Belisario and a prospect for Kubel.
I'd look more into Cuddyer
but then I’m pretty sure they are both lousy on Defense.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I believe you jut set a record
Kubel is the 25th different “what do you guys think of…” outfielder you have commented on (rough count).
Well done sir.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 2:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What do you guys think of Streets of Fire
Maybe most awesomely bad dialog ever? But The Blasters are in it, so it’s got that going for it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Blazin' Sauce at Buffalo Wild Wings is my downfall
Could there be a better double feature this afternoon than The Fighter followed by The Town?
After The Raider Win, of course.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nice. We rented “Anvil.” It’s supposed to be great. (Picking up Hu’s—my favorite Chinese in LA—later tonight).
I love Renner. Completely owned The Hurt Locker.
Anvil is awesome. Main dude seems like the nicest guy.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 19, 2010 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m all about the Honey BBQ, hot wings just seem like masochism to me. I am fully in support of The Fighter and The Town as a double feature, as I am also in favor of the Raiders winning out, thus putting the Chargers in the playoffs
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’m gonna need a Norv special in one of the last two weeks. Thanks.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you mean winning out in December? wilco gov’na : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
This makes it seem like Ben Badler was high on KC's return
From Baseball America:
A few folks asked what an equivalent package from TEX would be. My response: Andrus, Scheppers, Borbon, Erlin
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This seems about right
Except Andrus has been better than Escobar. Everything else matches up.
Hell of a play fake by Sa-Sa-Sa-Sanchez and the Jets.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just saw a stat
Jets are 0-11 all-time in Pennsylvania (0-7 in Pittsburgh, 0-4 in Philadelphia). That seems rather remarkable.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
bow chicka
bow wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Every kink begins with Kay
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 19, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Sexiest animals in the zoo
Brown chicken
Brown cow
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
Big Ben
When did he start wearing gloves? Is it an all the time kind of thing or just because of the weather? For some reason I thought it was only Kurt Warner that wore gloves as a QB.
EJR
you gotta hide your fingerprints somehow
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
especially
if you’re too much of a wuss to burn them off with acid
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Or this
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
nice pants
and shoes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
It's a scientific fact
That in the case of everyone outside of Lino Shields, adding “De” to the beginning of any name increases the awesomeness by at least 40%.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I bet his mama called him vincent, or vinny
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Has anybody here met Vin....
I have always told myself that I can live my life fine without ever meeting a Dodger player. Shaking Vin’s hand would make my life.
EJR
I have met Vin and even held the restroom door open for him. He is the nicest human alive.
He makes Mother Theresa seem like a foul-mouthed street walker.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 4:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
A little late but
I got to talk to Vin quite a few times in the 70’s, even had a hot dog with him a couple times in the booth. He’s the nicest person you can imagine.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I’m watchin the game too, I just was pointing out that said stash is gone now
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
But it’s never off topic as far as I’m concerned.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rothlesberger
running like he’s fleeing the scene
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Running like Simpson but keeping the gloves on.
EJR
by EJ Rankin on Dec 19, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
woohoo Steelers playing like they know the Chargers deserve one of them wildcard spots : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Bod body spray
Looking at Axe commercials and saying, “nope, those commercials weren’t overtly sexual enough.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 4:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
well there’s room for ambiguity with Axe, maybe the girls just really like improving men. You gotta go lowest common denominator with folk.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
God I love safeties
The scoring mechanism (or schools), not the position.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 4:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I like Strong Safeties, but Free Safety does nothing except get burned for touchdowns
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
and the blackhawks regain the lead in a matter of seconds
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
totally OT but what the hey
Hey guys, how do you feel about women in wife beaters?
Winter is coming.
What?
Does that mean you’re now gonna rock one for the rest of the year?
Whatever keithc13 hates must be cool!
Or were you just perched waiting for someone to say they hated it?
Hahaha, no, yours was just the last comment at the time, so I responded to that one.
I’m wearing a wife beater and pajama pants to a pajama themed party and I am SO going to put the hurt on some boys. The end. :)
Winter is coming.
Roger that…..
As pajamas, they are acceptable. I see them out around here. Not a fan.
Usually not a fan of the woman, so I don’t know why I’m blaming the tank….
Tear it up a little
and start yelling “Stella!!” at the top of your voice. It’s what they do in that state.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I know, it was New Orleans
but really, if you can’t lump all the southern states together, what can you lump together?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
It's difficult for me to think South and Arkansas for some reason
It’s in like some hybrid midwest/south area 51.
Which is also why they don’t belong in the SEC
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I was watching the 30 for 30 on the SMU death penalty, and they made the point that Arkansas didn’t belong as a Texas annex either.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Clinton liked Arkansas, and he’s a cool dude
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
I will like Arkansas
and wear my t-shirt with pride
by Michael White on Dec 19, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
And then pull out some foil or a light bulb and ask “Who’s ready to get fucked up?”
They do that too….
:)
well, gee, guys
I had no idea that we could go so hard in Califor—wait a second, I’ve been to a Raiders bar, what am I talking about?
;)
Winter is coming.
awesome
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Does this mean that the Brewers will sign Podboy to play CF, or will they go all out and get Ankiel?
it may mean carlos gomez
hahah poor brewers
Danny Woodhead went undercover at a sporting goods store and attempted to sell his own jersey to customers that didnt recognize him.
I wouldnt have either…he doesnt look like an NFL player in street clothes.
Butt Packers is just right there, Butt Raiders, Butt Bears
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
you gotta use nicknames sometimes
Butt Niners is funnier, as is Butt Hawks (nee Seahawks). Butt Broncos
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Mintxcore
You are my favorite. Thank you so much.
Quoth mintxcore:
Did you know that you can put “butt” in front of any football team and it’s hilarious
Winter is coming.
Fart Dodgers, brilliant!
King shit, classic.
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Shit Rangers
Shit Canadiens (aww Canada)
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I love shit wild
Going minor league:
Shit Ice Dogs
Shit Thunder
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
now you're mixing memes
it should be Fart Cats
Fart Travelers
Fart Redbirds
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Do I look French (I am 1/8th but that isn’t important now)?
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
And in the minors
Fart ’Topes
Fart Bees
by Josie Becker on Dec 19, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Crotch is a more satisfying word.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! YOUR 2011 CROTCH GIANTS!
Sounds like you need to switch sports
and start rooting for the Orlando Crotch Magic
Team trades best player for marginal talent isn’t all that newsworthy anymore.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Went into cooking mode
Roasting a chicken plus some other chicken parts before they go bad.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Dodgers.com prospect article
I did find it funny that the video they have with the article is of Dee Gordon’s Futures Game play, but it was a terrible route turned into a stumbling catch. Poor defensive play + excited announcer = highlight reel, no?
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
Did anyone watch that 20 greatest games selection show?
Some good Dodger games, but all before the 90s unfortunately. I know it’s not like the Dodgers have done anything since, but I would have liked to see the 4+1 game or the Holliday groin catch game included.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 7:53 PM PST reply actions
heh
much as I enjoyed that one, I doubt they’d include it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
you're going to cause a panic
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Vlad, Manny, and Shef can have wheel chair races around the warning track between innings.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 19, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
gotta take Shef there
Manny has too much drag on his dreads to win. Shef is bald, gives him the advantage.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 19, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Christian Bale is all kinds of awesoke in the Fighter.
especially when you meet the real Dickie Ecklund at the end.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
NO SPOILERS! ;D
im not big on boxing movies (aside from Raging Bull…. and i love Norman Mailer’s The Fight) but I do like me some David O Russell!
Saw it tonight
It was outstanding. I didn’t even know the movie was about real fighters before I saw it.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 19, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
You might enjoy this then
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/inside/decades-best/multimedia/fights-of-the-decade-ward-gatti-3.html
Youtube has the all the fights, kind of incredible really , they could make a complete 2nd movie simply about the three fights with Gatti. Fight of the century, round of the century.
Even checked out the real Sugar Ray Leonard fight with his brother Dickie Ecklund.
Was that family fucked up or what?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Are tears flowing?
Giants just inked Mota to a minor league deal. Dodgers and Marlins were also trying to sign him!
Really - Fart jokes
you guys really are brilliant.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
They can't all be limericks and Hubert Humphrey jokes
And for the record, I thought the stuff above was funny. I laughed.
Now with 33% more Kavula
by Humma Kavula on Dec 19, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ricky Nolasco is about to sign a three-year, $27 million deal with Florida. He was a Super Two, but this would take him through his final two arb years, plus a year of free agency.
This is a pretty good rough comp for Chad Billingsley, who has two more arb years left.
$6m/$9m/$12m sounds about right as a framework.
Do I have this straight?
So we upgraded our rotation and bullpen I guess to remain somewhere in the top 10 in the NL and kept our offense the same, maybe worse to remain in the lower end of the NL. Our defense is probably a little better all for 80 million or whatever Ned spent to keep us afloat. depressing.
Man too bad he is playing for Cubs
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101219&content_id=16345654&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
But you can’t really hate a guy like this.
Living in TB, man this really got me hah, hope for coming to Dodgers didn’t work out, but good luck to him with Cubs.
Late to the party
But I think the trade was reasonable for both sides. They may not have gotten a true “A” prospect in return, but they got a pretty healthy return that plugs much needed holes from a team needs standpoint.
The Royals have the most stacked minor league system in the majors. They already have several “A” prospects that should begin to make an impact in 2012. They didn’t have a CF or a SS though. Cain might end up sucking but at least should be a good defensive player. Escobar is at the very least a defensive whiz and although his rookie year wasn’t stellar he is still likely to have a long career as a starting SS in MLB. If this trade had happened before last season, Escobar would have been seen as the top prospect the trade was centered around.
The pitching prospects is I guess where the trade was a little weaker. Jeffress is a reliever now so he is pretty much their equivalent of Kenley Jansen. Probably could be a closer in a couple years. Then they got Odirizzi who is pretty much the Brewers best SP prospect, but he is a ways off and profiles as a #2/#3 kind of guy.
Yep. The Royals didn’t need to get stud prospects in this trade, they’ve already got those. What they needed to do was get a major league CF and SS that could be team controlled for a number of years and they did that. Cain and Escobar may not end up being stars, though they still have potential, they should at least be able to provide league average production and good defense at two important defensive positions.
And to add a quote from Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus
Couple of days ago I was wondering if the #Royals system was the best I’ve seen since doing what I do. It certainly is now.
Now they have to find out
if top rated farm systems turn into productive major league players. Still quite a turn a round for the KC minor league system from 2006 when it looks like they under drafted with the number one pick and took Hochevar.
I really have no idea what Moore is doing with the major league system over the last four years but at least he put someone into place for scouting and drafting.
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It better be the greatest farm system of all time like it’s being hyped as, because right now the Royals third best player is Vin Mazzaro.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 20, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/12/20/1886025/dodgers-200-minor-league-countdown-160-151
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
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