A Look At High-Priced Dodger Relievers
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 7:00 AM PST
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When Matt Guerrier signed his three-year, $12 million contract last week, it became the third-largest contract ever given by the Dodgers to a relief pitcher. The only two larger contracts in total value were given to closers. Eric Gagne signed a two-year, $19 million deal after 2004, and Jeff Shaw signed a three-year, $16 million deal after the 1998 season. George Sherrill signed a one-year deal at a higher average salary ($4.5 million, last season), but he also had closing experience and was eligible for salary arbitration.
Here is a look at every Dodger reliever (non-closers) to make $2 million or more in a season.
| Dodgers Non-Closer Relievers To Make $2 Million Or More | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | Year(s) | Age(s) | Salary | G | IP | ERA | ERA+ | Comments |
| Alan Mills |
1999-2000 | 32-33 | 3 yrs, $6.5 million | 86 | 98.0 | 3.86 | 113 | Three-year deal, then traded in 2000 |
| Terry Adams |
2001 | 28 | $2.6 million | 43 | 166.1 | 4.33 | 92 | Won arbitration case; started 22 games, relieved 21 |
| Terry Mulholland | 2002 | 39 | $3 million | 21 | 32.0 | 7.31 | 54 | acquired in 2001, had one year left on deal; traded mid-2002 |
| Paul Quantrill | 2002-2003 | 33-34 | 2 yrs, $6.5 million | 175 | 154.0 | 2.22 | 177 | acquired via trade after extension with Toronto; he voided third year |
| Paul Shuey | 2003-2004 | 32-33 | 2 yrs, $6.5 million | 62 | 69.0 | 3.00 | 135 | acquired via trade mid-2002; hurt for all of 2004 |
| Danys Baez | 2006 | 28 | $4 million | 46 | 49.2 | 4.35 | 104 | acquired via trade as Eric Gagne insurance; traded midseason for Wilson Betemit |
| Guillermo Mota | 2009 | 35 | $2.35 million | 61 | 65.2 | 3.44 | 116 | signed one-year deal |
| George Sherrill | 2010 | 33 | $4.5 million | 65 | 36.1 | 6.69 | 58 | acquired in 2009; one-year deal to avoid arbitration |
| Matt Guerrier | 2011-2013 | 32-34 | 3 yrs, $12 million | ? | ? | ? | ? | signed three-year deal |
Terry Adams achieved his arbitration salary in 2001 as a reliever, as he had pitched 342 games in his career without a start up to that point. That Adams ended up a starter for most of the season doesn't affect this discussion. I am looking at the Dodgers heading into each of these seasons. In the case of relievers acquired midseason (Mulholland and Shuey, who incidentally were traded for each other), I used their salaries and stats beginning with the next season.
Quantrill's extension, signed in August 2001 while with the Blue Jays, was actually a three-year deal worth $9.6 million, but he had the right to void the final year of his deal, in 2004, which he did. I'm not counting Baez as a closer because, at the time of his acquisition, Eric Gagne was thought to recover soon from an elbow inury ("I don't have any information that leads me to believe Eric will not be healthy," Colletti told the Los Angeles Times at the time of the Baez acquisition).
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Hopefully it extends to biblical names
So Matt can prosper as well.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 7:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you suggesting that in two years
the Dodgers sign Pete Moylan?
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 21, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
There has never been a reliever named Judas
but I’m willing to bet if there was, he would not be a Ned guy.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 21, 2010 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
How about a catcher
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pardoal01.shtml
OPS+ of -100 FTW
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We should definitely look to
trade for a 33 year old reliever named Paul in mid-season.
Rich relievers
I don’t know that I see any meaningful trends here. I personally think middle relievers are the least reliable and least consistant place to spend money. But though it may be coincidence, the chart shows that ages 32-34 is the best time to pay much for a reliever.
Reason I don't like spending on middle relievers
is because I assume any failed starting prospect can be a good middle reliever for 2-3 years and then be cast aside by the next failed starting prospect.
Why pay for relievers when you can get similar production from kids for 400k?
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I agree. I don’t like spending money on relief because it seems like failed starters or NRI or any young flamethrower can be a decent reliever. Just gather up as many arms in the spring that you can and see what sticks.
Step 1: Draft lefties
Step 2: Teach slider
Step 3: promote to MLB, wait for flameout
Step 4: trade/DFA, promote next lefty.
Boom. Never pay over a mil for a LOOGY again.
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Ned has a pretty amazing track record of being able to find good relievers. Until he actually decides to pay someone, then they go to shit.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Why let failed starters get the gig
when you can simply trade the failed starter for an old closer, then watch the failed starter be given 10 starts in a row and become part of a teams rotation, while you spend 3 – 8 Million for that hole in the rotation you created because you had an itch for an established closer?
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I thought Don’t Ask Dotel was rescinded.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not an original, except the “rescinded” part.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
All we need now is
John and Ringo
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I was gonna say the exact same thing. I can’t remember him at all, and the Sheriff gave him a 3-year contract?
Those were frontier times, like the wild west in free agency.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Ouch
There are some disasters there.
And please don’t remind me of the Sheriff….. can’t think of a worse way to start a day.
How about we remind you of Schmidt
does that help?
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You don’t remember his wacky #75 jersey? (I wouldn’t have either, but I stumbled across that fact several days ago.)
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking about Quantrill
when we signed Matt because I thought he also had a low K rate.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quantpa01.shtml
I also remembering him being outstanding for us, more so in 2003 then in 2002. Doesn’t Quantrill have one of best relief seasons ever for the LA Dodgers for a non closer with over 50 innings?
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Why Yes
Player ERA+ SV IP Year Age G H ER BB SO ERA HR OPS
Paul Quantrill 232 1 77.1 2003 34 89 61 15 15 44 1.75 2 .565
Guillermo Mota 205 1 105.0 2003 29 76 78 23 26 99 1.97 7 .553
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2003 was a vintage year, arms were in full bloom.
In the history of the LA Dodgers, only two relief pitchers had an ERA+ over 200 with less then 5 saves. Both happened in the same year. Interesting.
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In over 50 innings
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That is an amazing number of innings for Mota
He is the only relief pitcher for the Dodgers who was a 100% relief pitcher to throw over 100 innings since 1985.
Player IP Year Age G W L W-L% SV BB SO ERA ERA+ OPS OPS+
Mike Marshall 208.1 1974 31 106 15 12 .556 21 56 143 2.42 141 .617 79
Charlie Hough 142.2 1976 28 77 12 8 .600 18 77 81 2.21 154 .598 78
Ron Perranoski 129.0 1963 27 69 16 3 .842 21 43 75 1.67 179 .600 85
Ron Perranoski 125.1 1964 28 72 5 7 .417 14 46 79 3.09 106 .664 100
Ed Roebuck 119.1 1962 30 64 10 2 .833 9 54 72 3.09 116 .676 93
Phil Regan 116.2 1966 29 65 14 1 .933 21 24 88 1.62 203 .522 55
Ed Roebuck 116.2 1960 28 58 8 3 .727 8 38 77 2.78 143 .704 93
Ron Perranoski 110.0 1967 31 70 6 7 .462 16 45 75 2.45 126 .632 95
Mike Marshall 109.1 1975 32 57 9 14 .391 13 39 64 3.29 104 .657 89
Ron Perranoski 107.1 1962 26 70 6 6 .500 20 36 68 2.85 126 .616 77
Tom Niedenfuer 106.1 1985 25 64 7 9 .438 19 24 102 2.71 128 .589 72
Guillermo Mota 105.0 2003 29 76 6 3 .667 1 26 99 1.97 205 .553 52
Ron Perranoski 104.2 1965 29 59 6 6 .500 17 40 53 2.24 146 .582 76
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I had no recollection of Tom Niedenfuer throwing that many innings in 1985
no wonder Jack Clark said good bye and good night.
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Niedenfuer struck out Clark in the 7th inning of Game 6, but by the time Clark batted again he was the 12th batter for Niedenfuer that game.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
We asked to much of the Buffalo Head
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Ron Perranoski was a bloody horse
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So what you're telling me is
Ron Ron was a man.
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Quantrill was awesome, and durable as hell.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
throwing 85 MPH fastballs that broke 4 feet on either side of the plate
and pwning all in his path?
Yeah he was fun to watch.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
That 2003 team was so weird
When batting, they were one of the worst teams in MLB history
When pitching, they were one of the best teams in MLB history
The starters were pretty awesome (6.08 innings per start, 3.46 ERA, ~117 ERA+), but the relievers…wow.
2.46 ERA, ~164 ERA+ 2.84 BB/9, 8.93 K/9
Even if you take out Gagne, the other relievers had a 2.72 ERA (~149 ERA+) and 7.65 K/9
And yet
if you asked this smart group of Dodger fans to name the five starters in 2003 could they even name three?
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Nice I was banking on most
forgetting Ishii but he was not the worst pitcher of those four
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I remember Ishii well
because I kept thinking he was going to be good.
When
you start your career with 10K’s those impressions are hard to let go.
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2004 Ishii
Was he the only healthy 13 game winner in the history of baseball to be left off a postseason roster?
13-8, 4.7 ERA.
The Kaz Ishiiest year.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Chad Billingsley’s 12 wins in 2009 hang their head after hearing your criteria.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
(although he wasn’t technically off the roster)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Only 12 game winner with a sub 4.10 ERA to be left off a post season roster since 1969?
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He was there
but the best starter according to ERA+ has yet to be mentioned.
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Yes
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I was talking last night
About how much I loved that team.
They sure could pitch and play defense
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I enjoyed 2004 more because
1. We won
2. We still played spectacular defense
3. Beltre Beltre Beltre
4. Gagne Gagne Gagne
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Actually, nevermind.
I was thinking of 2002.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
It seems as though I’m romanticizing the best parts of 2002 and 2003 and putting them together in my mind.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
My favorite part of 2003
Nomo and Guillermo hitting JACKS
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2003 Starters
Player IP GS Year Age W L W-L% ERA ERA+ HR OPS OPS+
Hideo Nomo 218.1 33 2003 34 16 13 .552 3.09 131 24 .666 82
Kevin Brown 211.0 32 2003 38 14 9 .609 2.39 169 11 .608 67
Odalis Perez 185.1 30 2003 25 12 12 .500 4.52 89 28 .755 105
Kazuhisa Ishii 147.0 27 2003 29 9 7 .563 3.86 105 16 .757 108
Wilson Alvarez 95.0 12 2003 33 6 2 .750 2.37 171 5 .597 65
Andy Ashby 73.0 12 2003 35 3 10 .231 5.18 78 8 .814 120
Darren Dreifort 60.1 10 2003 31 4 4 .500 4.03 101 6 .710 94
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Kevin Brown, age 38
169 ERA+
I hate that I can’t look back on his career without thinking about roids.
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Luis Gonzalez sure was better than expected. And who can forget the amazing contributions from Scott Proctor during the drive for 82.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
All I remember about 2007
NL Wild Card Standings after play on September 15
Padres 80-67
Dodgers 79-69
Phillies 79-69
After that it’s a blur.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I remember almost getting no hit by Ben Sheets on Opening Day.
How about Nomar going half the season without a homer?
And who can forget Bomko, Kool Aid and David Wells? Oh, and Shea Hillenbrand — starting 3rd baseman.
Sounds like a really racist nickname for Joba Chamberlain.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Where is Matt Stairs shot?
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Important to protect the eyes at all costs
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for the stairs game i was sitting above first base. so i did not turn my head to follow it. for the helton game i was sitting in 5th row behind the plate. he hit it so high and i looked at kemp and he started feeling for the wall. it then landed 50 rows back and kemp gave me false hope for that moment.
I was sitting on the first base line towards the pole, I couldnt even see the batted ball because im only 5’6 so I Just sat there and wept.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
I was in the last section of Reserved, what last season was called “Bleacher Beach”. I couldn’t see Victorino’s ball off Wade until it landed because it was lost in the backdrop of the 1st base side crowd, but Stairs’ was quite visible to us, and quite deflating.
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I didn't watch where it went either.
I heard the contact and just put my head down.
BOOM BOOM BETEMIT FROM THE BENCH
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Great piece
In the linked story to the Shuey trade, Brian Jordan acts surprised that the Dodgers traded Ricardo Rodriguez (who was then our #1 prospect—according to BA at least). At the time Francisco Cruceta was even hotter. He wasn’t quite Santana-hot, but his stock was rising. I remember being incredibly disappointed that Dan Evans would trade two of our best prospects for an old AL reliever. Strangly, the years left on Shuey’s contract were somehow used as an argument by Evans that we were in fact looking to the future.
Quantrill’s trade was a slam dunk, A+, do-it-again-in-a-second deal. I don’t know if I can say the same for any of the others. (And yes, I do remember Alan Mills!)
The best part is some of those old articles. That Jordan quote struck me as well, as did Steve Henson praising the Dodgers for “finally” unlocking the war chest of prospects in the Jackson/Baez, et al trade.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ugh
By acquiring Danys Baez and Lance Carter from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for Edwin Jackson and Chuck Tiffany on Saturday, General Manager Ned Colletti again made it clear he wants a championship team in 2006.
To be fair that 2006 team was pretty awesome.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Could have been more awesome
if Baez had been useful, we were so lucky with Saito.
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That 2006 team....
Led the league in hits, average, On base % and Hr’s allowed
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
Lance Carter
may have been the worst player that Ned has ever acquired based on stuff. He was also one of the few Dodgers I’ve ever rooted for to suck because my season ticket friend who sat in front of me played with him on the Royal rookie league and said he was the biggest asshole racist he ever met in baseball.
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I didn't like him because his name was Lance
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I’m sure this decision won’t haunt you for the rest of your life.
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LOL
fucking chuck norris
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
best ending line to a movie ever.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Right up there with
Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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Has to be Chinatown
Best Jack movie?
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It’s his best if his performance as the Joker is too much of a character to count as a Jack role
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of putting
over the top performances as best. JMO
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
fair enough, that’s actually the position I was advocating for. same way I don’t think Heath Ledger’s Joker was his best performance
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Why you gotta remind me of that movie?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I don't think he is crazy enough in that movie
to be his best “Jack” movie. Maybe I’m overemphasizing his crazy. One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
For our blog
any better scene then Jack doing the World Series bit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAtFX_fxZwg&playnext=1&list=PLA0865EEE7A162848&index=70
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
I do believe you're forgetting a little film called
Mars Attacks! :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Best Jack Movies
Carnal Knowledge
Chinatown
The Passenger
The Last Detail
Missouri Breaks
Five Easy Pieces
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
If you want to consider Terms of Endearment a Jack Movie — and maybe you don’t — then that goes on the list.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Hated that movie
seemed so contrived.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Last Detail was great
Really no Cuckoo Nest, that is one of my all time favorite movies.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I can't include that
It’s probably my ATF book and none of the actors fit the characters in my mind.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Oh
I should probably read the book. I understand that, I always take a movie down a notch if it is based on a book I liked. Even if the movie can stand on it’s own if it botched the book I’m a sad panda.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Read it
It’s told from the point of view of Big Chief. So you don’t know if any of it is real or a product of an insane person’s imagination. Best line of the book is “this story is true even if it didn’t happen”.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
That sounds like a line that
every director who has taken true events and turned them into his own version of history should say at the end of movies based on actual events.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I like the line at the beginning of Butch Cassidy:
“Not that it matters, but most of this is true.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Kesey wrote two terrific books (IMO)
that one and Sometimes a Great Notion. The latter is a great example of stream-of-consciousness writing that actually works.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
THIS IS A TRUE STORY. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I have only seen one of these
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Never really liked this one
and it doesn’t age well
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Me to
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Loved Wolf
you really need a top 10 for Jack. I know he’s thought of as some over the top actor but when it comes to American Actors not many can hold a candle to him over the last 30 years.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I got two contemporaries of Nicholson that are two of my favorites.
Michael Caine and Gene Hackman.
Those guys make bad movies good, good movies great, and great movies classics.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'd agree with that
but isn’t Caine English?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Fockers disagree with this
and he’s made a few movies that I simply don’t like.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I’m sure you could say the same about all of those guys on the list. Fockers is just fresh in your head.
Hoffman had a pretty incredible run for a long time. Did you ever see Lenny? He’s great in that movie.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
yes
but I can’t think of a Hoffman movie I have liked in over 10 years.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
10 years
You may be right. Last time I really liked him was Wag the Dog, which was 1997.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
He's going to be in Milch's
new HBO show about the horse racing industry
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I don’t have HBO, so I won’t see it until DVD — and then, only if it gets good buzz.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
How can a guy in the business
not get HBO?
I mean this seriously.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Esp. given that he can write it off as a business expense, as he should be writing his cable bill off already.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Simple: what HBO chooses to produce does not affect my work in any way — and if it does, if I need some familiarity with their shows, I can get them.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Good DeNiro movies
In no particular order:
The Deer Hunter
Raging Bull
Taxi Driver
Godfather I & II
Once Upon a Time in America
The Untouchables
Midnight Run
Mad Dog and Glory
Brazil
We’re No Angels
Backdraft (smaller part)
Cape Fear
A Bronx Tale
Frankenstein
Casino
Heat
Goodfellas
Ronin
Analyze This
Meet the Parents
15 Minutes
Everybody’s Fine
The Score
Jackie Brown
That’s a long list, and there are some other pretty decent ones as well.
Cannot remember his role
in Jackie Brown
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Loved his Frankenstien
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Midnight Run
is one of my favorite comedy’s. I can watch that any time.
Was not a fan of the Analyze This series.
I’ve still never watched the Deer Hunter.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Did you like Righteous Kill?
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Didn’t see it. Wait, is Hoffman in that? I thought it was De Niro and Pacino. And from the TV spots it looked like they were hamming it up.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Top American Actors over the last 30 years
In no order
Robert Duvall
Gene Hackman
Jack Nicholson
Al Paciono
De Niro
Not easy anymore with the Brits/Aussie/Kiwi’s dominating.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Who are the top younger American male actors today?
You’re right about the others. Heck, someone made a Western and cast an Aussie (Russell Crowe) and a Welshman (Christian Bale) as the leads!
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
hate to say it
but the foreigners do a better job with American accents then American actors. And they are simply better actors.
Edward Norton can act
De Caprio can act
I don’t even know what Johnny Depp is.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I think Johnny Depp is a good actor
who has simply allowed himself to be typecast
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
By “typecast,” what do you mean? Typecast as the guy who takes crazy chances with crazy roles? He seems to be really different every time out — not what we usually think of when we use the word “typecast.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Every role is
“LOOK AT HOW WEIRD AND/OR CRAZY I AM”
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
well
he could be taking all the “LOOK HOW FUCKING HANDSOME I AM!! WOMAN BOW TO MY FEET!!!” roles.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
in the 30-40 set
Dicaprio
Norton
Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
PSH
has gotta be over 40, doesn’t he?
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Paul Giamatti?
Hoffman seems to be very type cast.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I gotta disagree with the way people are using the word “typecast.”
Dennis Farina is an example of an actor who gets typecast. He plays Italian cops and Italian mobsters: that is, every time out, he is cast as a type, rather than in a meaty role.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Johnny Depp are about as far from that as you can get. Hoffman is huge and played Truman Capote!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Every time I see Hoffman
he seems to play a shy fuck.
And I really really really hated his NY set movie, and I’m still pissed I sat through the whole GD thing.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Hoffman in Along Came Polly and Charlie Wilson’s War
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Charlie Wilson's War
great movie.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
CW was good
I may just not like Mr. Hoffman. I can’t list five movies of his that I’ve liked and with anyone else on that list I’ve run out of fingers.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Along Came Polly
CW War
Pirate Radio
Big Lebowski
Almost Famous
Patch Adams
Twister
Moneyball
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Okay then
only movie I’d watch again on that is Big Lebowski and Almost Famous.
The one I did like that no one has listed was when he Played a playright in State and Main but that was more because I liked the over the top Alec Baldwin.
Who should probably be on the list.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Movies he was in I liked:
Charlie Wilson’s War
Before the Devil Knows Your Dead
The Savages
Along Came Polly
Punch Drunk Love
Almost Famous
Magnolia
The Big Lebowski
Boogie Nights
Am I the only one
who didn’t like Along Came Polly?
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Uh no.
I thought it was terrible. And it got really bad reviews…
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And we’re back.
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We can still agree
that X Paul and Bellasario won’t get us anything worthwhile on the trade market can’t we?
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Trade ’em to the Brewers for Granick
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
beyond that, I don’t think we should trade belisario. I think he has far more value to us as a rebound candidate than as trade bait. Even if he stinks it up, he’s just a reliever. But if he’s good, then he’ll be beyond valuable.
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Doubt
The Savages
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Played Capote and nailed Marissa Tomei. That’s pretty far apart on the spectrum.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
crazy weird dude
isn’t a type?
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Johnny Depp, Kentucky boy turned expat in Paris.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
If Bale didn't want you to know
you would never know he wasn’t American though.
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If I'm wrong, please chalk it up to my generation's ignorance, but
Tom Hanks
Morgan Freeman
Brad Pitt
Denzel Washington
Russell Crowe
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Crowe be an Aussie
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Forgot this was an American list.
Then the other 4, and I submit Matt Damon as Crowe’s replacement.
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I am a Matt Damon fan
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Crowe is an Aussie.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
… mate.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
They have to have done something
in the last 15 years. He’s made some movies but none that were memorable in the last 15 years. At least nothing I can think of.
Newman is probably one of my favorite actors but not sure if his last 30 years of work would put him in the list? What do you think?
I mean we are talking after 1980 now.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody’s Fool is one of Newman’s best.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Also just over the 1980 line is The Verdict.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Another of my favorites
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen it
but don’t some love him in Hudsucker?
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like he should make the list
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Shocked that I forgot
Jeff Bridges and that no one else has mentioned him.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
He is making a comeback
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i want to see True Grit
I will see the original, but I want to see Bridges in the new one.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking Robert Downey, Jr. but I didn’t know how people would react. Plus, he’s really only been great in Iron Man 1/2, and only good in Tropic Thunder. Didn’t see Sherlock Holmes.
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I loved Sherlock Holmes
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Oscar nominated for Chaplin many moons ago.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
He does a lot of good work, even if the movies are flawed, e.g., The Soloist, Zodiac.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking he was in the next pack of actors, just below the first list, but a case could certainly be made.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
sad how drugs really
curtailed his career, but he’s on the right path.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Talking about Bridges
not Downey.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
oh sorry
when the comments are all to the side like this it gets kinda hard to tell.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Right
kind of what I was thinking.
I really like jeff bridges, but I’m not going to go watch a movie just because he’s in it.
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i didn’t really like him until American Beauty, now it’s one of my favorites. Also loved him in 21.
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You are persona non grata
with my wife!
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
It's fun
but ultimately empty.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I have no recollection
of The Passenger.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Antonioni movie
very slow moving, but a visually great. Also, Jack is very understated in it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Early 1970s?
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
This says 2005
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/the-passenger/22751/main
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Ha ha
must have been some re-release screening.
1975 according to imdb. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073580/
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
he was great in Something’s Gotta Give and As Good as it Gets
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while i agree with all this..i loved him in as good as it gets
by Jason Ungar on Dec 21, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Sadly, I have never seen Chinatown, but I plan to.
I liked Jack in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
You know what happens to people who have never seen Chinatown?
They lose their noses!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
They don’t lose their noses, their noses just get all cut up
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
That’s like saying I haven’t seen the Godfather.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Shit
I haven’t seen any of the Godfather series. Or, what was that series on HBO, the Sopranos? That either.
Goodfellas was cool, though.
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You gotta see The Godfather. Do you have Netflix? You can stream that fucker.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
It’s been so universally recommended by everyone everywhere that I’ll probably just buy it.
I’ve tried watching the first one and I always seem to fall asleep halfway through.
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Make sure you get the
sub titled version for Brando.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
My nerd is showing
“Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Her ongoing mission, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life-forms and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.”
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From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man’s weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet’s infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.
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Loaiza?
I remember Loaiza being awfully expensive in his (horrible) parts of 2007 and 2008. Was he really considered to be a starter, both years? I could swear he was being thrown in for a couple of innings of relief before they got rid of him.
Ahh Esteban Loaiza
I still think Ned took on his salary as part of the Bradley for Ethier deal.
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They acquired him off waivers in late 2007, and he still had a hefty salary coming in 2008. The plan was to use him as a starter, but he sucked his way out of that role and off the team.
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Reg and I thought
he’s be useful in 2008, luckily no one was reading the blog back then.
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I was a fan of the move when it was made.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
What I remember was the unspoken but clear acknowledgment of “We goofed”. Wasn’t he one of the few people that they simply DFA’d and just wrote off the sunk expense? Usually when someone is untradeable and costs more than an Ortiz they’d keep trotting him out there forever, especially in those years when all the old vets like Luis Gonzalez were blocking the young players. Not Loaiza – one day he was just gone.
Turns out his arm was shot
so easy to say good bye.
He only pitched 3 more innings before being forced into retirement. At the time of the trade the expectation was that he was healthy after surgery since he had been somewhat effective for the A’s.
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he had a very schmidt-esque 82 mph fastball if I recall correctly..
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Most Unlikely thing that happened in 2010 regarding the Los Angeles Dodgers?
Give me a list so I can create a poll JFF when this thread turns off topic and we get 500 comments about boxers/natural/other.
I’ll start with Padilla getting the opening day gig
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James Loney
30 Homeruns
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Uh, that didn't happen in my universe
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D'oh
sorry, still in morning mode, thought we were talking next year. Apologies all
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I know that's a joke
but I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever x Infinity put that poison in my body
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
not even once
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LOL
that is awesoke
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Where's your gun?
I don’t need one. I kill motherfuckers with my hands.
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or if you prefer
Chuck Norris would use a gun if it didn’t kill people so slowly.
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Manny getting traded for nothing.
Gibbons playing his way into a 25 man spot in 2011
Lindsay getting a PA.
Elymania
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
A converted catcher dominating big leaguers less than a year after switching to pitcher.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
The bullpen turning to complete shit.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
For post purposes
Keep in mind, the other move (Leach?) should drop at some point today, and I have a 40-man roster post ready for when that happens.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Has that been confirmed?
seems like a waste. A lefty with four pitches? Even as just a Loogy he’d have value, ah well.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Signed with a Japanese team it appears...
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Matt Kemp
Forgetting how to play like Matt Kemp
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Unsurprsing Moments Of 2011
Rihanna getting 100% of the blame if Kemp is even slightly better.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
James Loney getting worse when most people had him pegged for a “breakout” .800 OPS season.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
two from me
1. Andre Ethier going Triple Crown on the NL
2. Andre Ethier going Tyler Houston on the NL
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Just catching up on the thread, but I want to point out that while this is certainly memorable, it was not unlikely. It was hugely likely. That is what Ethier does: he mashes for a month then disappears for a month.
What was maybe unlikely was that he put together such a hot streak to start a season, so that at the beginning of May he was the NL Triple Crown leader… but even that would have to happen every so often to a player like Ethier.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
At least we know that this place is still all facebook
even when the girls are absentee.
My vote is for Andre buckling under the Dre-Matic pressure
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Damn
I knew we had some surprises but that is a shockingly long list.
An Aussie playing CF
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it all stems from 1 surpise
The Dodgers sucked.
surprises like Jamey Carroll MVP, Aussie in CF, Elymania, Monk/Gibbons/Lindsey on the roster (less so with Lindsey as he was a Sept call-up, but if we were really in the hunt he probably wouldn’t have gotten a sniff), etc all were results of a lack of performance from guys we expected to thrive.
I find James Loney sucking to be more of the expectation, whereas if he would have flipped it on it would have been the biggest surprise.
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Gibbons
playing pretty bad, and still winning a job in 2011, and pulling the wool over the eyes of people at TBLA who should probably be up in arms that he is even on the roster today.
I think (a) you are overestimating his 2011 role, and (b) you seem to have a level of hatred for Gibbons on par with Phil’s extreme dislike of Pat Burrell.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
he has a pretty large role on the team at this moment given the lack/quality of
outfielders on the 40 man today. I do not hate him. He just sucks.
Even though Gibbons is now the placeholder for LF starter on the payroll worksheet, I don’t think Gibbons starts all that often. I think Gwynn will start more games in the OF, and that we will end up signing a right-handed bat as well.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
As the main left handed power bat off the bench
who can play 1st or OF what is to hate? Someone has to be that guy.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I see no reason
why Gibbons would be better at that then Garret Anderson.
Gibbons had a wOBA of .271 in over 200 PAs in 2007 and then disappeared from major league baseball until 2010. I don’t see why we should view his one solid month last year as anything but an outlier.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I agree. His production is a huge question mark heading into 2011.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
huge question mark
And yet, that question mark is just a tiny speck compared to the punctuation stylings of Matt Kemp.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
but every team needs a left handed power hitter off the bench. Looking at other teams 24/25 th player who would you prefer?
You could make Paul that guy if you find another outfielder, but no one else really fits the criteria in the system. Gibbons swings hard ever swing, and once in a while the ball is going to go far.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know if you "need" one
The Dodgers have not had a LH power bat off the bench since hector was a pup.
the idea of Jim Thome was cool. The version of Jim Thome that we picked up was not.
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I've always thought we were one bench LH power hitter away from a Championship
and since we have not won one since we had a LH power bat come off the bench to hit a bloody fucking home run, I must be right.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
most guys who are on the bench are their because they cannot hit pitchers of the same side. Did you want the Tomato to face Joe Beimel or Scott Proctor?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
i mean you are talking B9 against the other teams closer
who is probably almost equally tough against both sides.
Yes
if it was a bench bat with power against both LH and RH, they wouldn’t be a bench bat.
If nothing else, a LH and RH bench power guy would make the other manager make a decision.
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maybe have to make a decision with a shitty setup guy, but it isn’t going to help against the closer 95% of the time.
oh no, the closer will stay, but if you have a starter tearing you up who is at 100 pitches, bringing in an opposite-handed bench bat might make the other manager think about taking him out. ya dig?
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Most hitters splits disagree
I think if you take a look at players who are bench players that you will see a huge difference in their splits.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t disagree. i’d rather go with my best pitcher against whoever they throw out there. But then you get guys like Sherrill who will tear up your lefty, but who will get destroyed by a righty.
I’m just saying a MLB manager is more likely to make the move based on cookie-cutter matchups than not because it covers his ass.
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So we should sign an MVP-caliber player and hope he gets hurt in September?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
2008 Raffy
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Because he isn’t scared to watch a football game in snow. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll say that the most unlikely thing that happened in 2010 was the entire offense, everybody, all at the same time, going into a two-month funk.
I’m bearish, but even I didn’t think such a thing was possible.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Except Furcal
When he played. Which he didn’t in August.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I admit that I used hyperbole.
But nothing else would suffice.
I mean, you could take the word “offense” and substitute the word “core” if you like, but then somebody will point out that Matt Kemp hit well in the last week of the season.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Ellis
is hurt
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
So is our starting catcher
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
And the guy Delias hates
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well, that was the problem. That Rod Barajas and Jay Gibbons were the two best hitters for a decent stretch for the Dodgers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Indeed
but hey, Matt Kemp kicked ass the last week of the season.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I cannot decide if I should rec this or flag this.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t get over how pumped up I was when he had the best April stretch of any Dodger this side of Ron Cey.
Course, it didn’t continue and the team largely responsible for it (the Reds), made the playoffs. Go figure.
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That I watched nearly every game
of that bullshit team
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I see Ned Signing Betre
to 6yr/80M backloaded contract. Keeping Loney at 1B and using Beard in LF/1B against LHPs.
Ned was ready to spend on more pitching, why not spend on Beltre and be set at 3B for the next 4-6 years,.
Because
I think we have about 2 Million left to spend.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
You are likely right, in that the names we have heard mentioned (Hall, Podsednik) are bargain basement names.
However, most observers didn’t think the Dodgers had this much money to spend this offseason, so I will not be surprised if there is another big signing.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
I will be totally shocked if we spend even 5 Million more without shedding any current salary.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Ned will Shed
Broxton or Billz to make up for the frills
by Dodgers1981 on Dec 21, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
if he does that
he better head for the hills
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(heads for Beverly Hills)
No use! I CAN STILL HEAR THE SCREAMS OF THE DODGER FANS!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
totally shocked
For once, I didn’t use hyperbole here. All I’m saying is that I’ve already been totally shocked by how much the team has spent, so I’m all shocked out. I think another big signing is unlikely and would surprise me — but I refuse to say such a thing is impossible, because I didn’t think we’d be at this level of payroll.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
At the end of the day
he appears to have spent around 10 Million more this year then last. Not exactly earth shattering, closer to his previous levels then 2010.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Are eye doctor’s offices open this week?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
You and Humma should go blow each other.
by delias man on Dec 21, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
85 wins
seems optimistic. 82 – 84 is what I see. 85 – 87 if the core shows up. 87 and up if everything breaks right.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I agree that Beltre
would be great for this team, just don’t see it happening but I would be more then happy to be wrong about that as long as it does not involve moving Billz’s contract.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Not a lot could break my spirit, but unloading Bills to save money would break my spirit.
I don’t believe that would happen though.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
If Beltre played out his career
as a Dodger – the next 6-8 years, would he go into the HOF as a Dodger?
by Dodgers1981 on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t worry about what cap Beltre’s wearing in this dream
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
There are a ton of miles left on that road.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
If he gets into the HOF
Whatever team is about to sign him should pony $20 million a year because the numbers he’ll need to get to the hall, and the time he has left to put them up, aren’t much longer than what the next contract will probably extend past (before he starts to go down in production)
based on his position and his defense, his HR numbers aren’t all that far behind other guys right?
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On his current path
he would end up being in the top five for home runs for 3rd baseman.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
How many seasons and HR/year are we assuming?
His numbers are decent..but they aren’t “blow me away” by any stretch..
Beltre also has a problem of perception that he has been a disappointment — regardless of whether that perception is deserved.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well
and his HR/season is a lot lower without that shiny 48.
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I don’t like to make correlation-equals-causation arguments, but I can’t help but notice that that 48 came in 2004….
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, we’re all thinking it. I just hope a non-Dodger fan never brings it up in conversation. Dontchaknow, it’s because his front ankle was HURT that he had MORE power because it made him not lunge at balls.
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True
I looked at his stats briefly; he will most likely crack 400+ home-runs if he stays healthy, but I suppose everyone always thought he had more ability for consistent years like he had last year with Boston.
Another thing though is, he started at such a young age, he’ll get so many years to rack those home-run numbers up; there aren’t many season (only 2 really) that people would point to and say “that was a great offensive season”
I find it funny
that the people’s perception of him in the non-contract years is that he is a “horrible” player rather than just a “good but not great” one.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Playing in Seattle hurt him
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Right
I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to say he’s better at his position than Ozzie Smith was at his. both are the best defensively at their position for their generation, and both put up good offensive numbers.
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I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to say he’s better at his position than Ozzie Smith was at his
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by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I will also go on record as saying that I am not at all certain that Adrian Beltre is as good, defensively, as the player who might be the best defensive ballplayer who ever lived.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Okay so here's my reasoning and hopefully it can be left at that
In 19 seasons, Ozzie Smith had an OPS+ over 100 only 4 times and averaged a 87. he was, by and large, a substandard offensive player. His defense, however, is unquestioned.
Beltre has a career OPS+ of 108, still by and large average but above average for his position, but I think his defense is the best from a 3B in the last decade+.
My real point, I suppose, is that if ozzie Smith can be bad with the bat and the best defensive player at his position for a long time, why can’t Adrian beltre be good but not great with the bat with his bat but the best defensive player at his position and get in?
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Because two great seasons do not a HOF career make.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Right
he’s average to above average offensively, but he’s the best with the glove. Ozzie only had 4 good offensive seasons, and of those they were like 100-105 OPS+ seasons.
I am in no way saying Beltre is better defensively that Ozzie Smith; I don’t think you can accurately compare the two anyway. I’m just wondering if he should get a bunch of HoF votes under the same criteria that got Ozzie elected.
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I think there is a big difference
between being best at your position in your era, and being the best ever.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Bill Maz raises his hand
as does Brooks Robinson.
I think Beltre will have legit shot if his career stays strong over the next four / five years. If he’s done after three years probably not.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
It would help him
if he could put on a World Series defensive display but even so he might just end up with a Graig Nettles career.
I’ve never thought of him as a HOF player, but I do think he will end his career with more home runs then only five other 3rd baseman, and a one of the best defensive 3rd basemans.
Scott Rolen is he can have another couple of years like 2010 will be also be interesting, thought the HOF does not seem to like 3rd baseman very much.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t Graig Nettles have a HOF case?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Evidently the voters did not think so
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
You really need to look at Brooks Robinson's career
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I have
and at the age of 32 he had an OPS+ of 109
Beltre has an OPS+ of 108 at the age of 108
Who do you think your talking to?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Robinson blows Beltre out of the water defensively.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Those career numbers were achieved differently
Beltre has had two great years. They are also his only two seasons above a 114 OPS+.
Robinson, by age 32, had five such seasons, all 123 OPS+ or above.
If you want to use fWAR, Robinson had 63.3 WAR through age 31, compared to 50.8 for Beltre. Robinson had seasons of 9.4, 8.6, 8.4, 7.2, 6.1, 5.9 and 5.5 by age 31.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I was just looking up Brooks Robinson. He has a five-year peak, 64-68, with an OPS+ of 127, a ten-year peak with an OPS+ of 116, a rep for excelletn defense, an MVP, five more top-ten MVP finishes.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
And Robinson knew how to win
by being on a team that traded for another Robinson. Plus all those pitchers.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I wonder what the BABIP for those pitchers was, with Robinson and Belanger on the left side and a OF of a speedy Buford, gold-glover Blair and the other Robinson.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
They weren't K guys
unless Drabowski was facing the Dodgers
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Palmer had a rep as one
but his highest K/9 in a full season was 6.0.
His career BABIP against is .251 !
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Beltre can absolutely make a case for himself eventually as a HOF player. But eventually maybe making the HOF does not equal being better than Ozzie Smith at his position.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
As far as Mazeroski goes, if Beltre’s case depends on being better than him, that is a weak case. Maybe not the worst case, but weak.
Upthread I said that Ozzie Smith might be the best defensive ballplayer who ever lived; Maz is in that conversation. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, Bill James has him with the most defensive Win Shares of any player in baseball history.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Beltre has had two great seasons. 2004 was epic (10.1 fWAR) and 2010 was awesome (7.1 fWAR). But he has not had another season of 5 WAR (he did have one at 4.9 in 2006).
Ozzie Smith didn’t have the 10.1 WAR year like Beltre did, but he had a period of sustained excellence. Here are his seasons from 1985-1992 by fWAR:
5.6
5.0
6.4
6.0
6.9
3.3
5.1
5.4
That’s an eight-year period with seven seasons of 5+ WAR, and he also had three other seasons over 4 WAR (1980, 1982, and 1984).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Allow me to shift the focus
Do you think, based on the recent focus on offense from every spot on the field, that anyone will a) will anyone be able to elected into the HoF by being a defense-first player, and b) will they get the chance to be a defensive-only specialist for enough years to be considered?
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Less likely but it could happen
Defense is still undervalued, so if someone is really good defensively, early, he could get a prolonged chance to play while he is cheap, and might grow into a good enough offensive player to keep his job going forward.
Think Elvis Andrus (although his 2010 defensively was rated lower than 2009) or someone like that.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Omar Vizquel is probably gonna get in.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
He will be another test
of that question but I’d expect only middle infielders and one 3rd baseman can get in based on defense.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Andruw Jones maybe? He’s not all glove but the bat is no where near good enough to get in. Maybe he’ll hang around being bad for too long to have any real chance.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
No
he shot his HOF chance in the foot. I think he has zero chance now. They kind of like their ballplayers to be full time players after the age of 31.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
If Andruw Jones just quit after Atlanta, he’d have 11.25 seasons and a 60 WAR. Think he’d get in with that?
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Did Albert Belle?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I was gonna make this same comment until I saw that Belle retired with 37-point-something WAR.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
How many
HOF played less then 12 years?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
This goes back to
how many HoF voters are going to look up career WARs?
More when Andruw Jones is eligible than now, but still.
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No one
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They’re not gonna look up his career WAR, but what’s a decent bat plus the greatest center field glove of all time worth over 11.25 years.
I just used WAR to demonstrate how good Jones was in Atlanta.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
When Jay Jaffee
did his CF HOF review several years Jones was right on track, and I think if he could have had two more years like 2006, he’d have an excellent chance, I just think the fact he became an embarrassment, then a part time DH at such an early age kills his chances. It is one thing to become those things after 35, it is another to become those things in your early 30’s.
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Does Ralph Kiner deserve a spot in the hall?
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure
he pretty much stopped at age 32 and didn’t embarrass himself. How about his age 24 season in 47 where he led the league in slug, OPS, OPS+, Total Bases, and only finished sixth in the MVP voting.
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1947.shtml#NLmvp
I will say I have no idea who Bruce Edwards is or was.
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Had you heard of him?
I mean I probably read about him when I was a kid but when I saw the name it was a total blank to me.
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And I ask
how this catcher had more MVP votes the Ralph Kiner in 1947?
That is unbelievable. That would be like Russell Martin getting MVP votes a head of Albert.
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NYC bias? Writers in the 40s loved catchers?
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Could explain
the multiple MVP’s that Berra and Campy won.
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Good to see sports writers have kept up traditions.
Point is that what Jones did with the glove is just as remarkable as what Kiner did with the bat. I’m not sure if Kiner deserves to be in either, but if he made it, Jones deserves way more than the handful of votes he’s gonna get before he disappears of the ballot.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Local to ?
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Let me ask this question
Is Adrian Beltre a better third baseman than Ron Cey?
by bhsportsguy on Dec 21, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
At this point
No
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Well
I’m not going to drag defense into this because I simply don’t believe you can tell me how good a defensive player Ron Cey was back in the 70’s.
I will say that Beltre was a much better 3rd baseman then Ron Cey, but that will not make up for the big difference in offense between the two of them at the age of 31 where Cey had an OPS+ of 126.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
If you are looking at career numbers, perhaps
but over a 6-7 year period, I don’t think as an overall package, Beltre is better than Cey.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 21, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Cey
would end up having his greatest season in the strike shortened 81 season at age 33.
Beltre is only 31, how his career path goes I don’t think anyone knows. He could continue to build off of 2010 and start a string of above average seasons, he could go back to being just an average hitter, he could start getting hurt more and more like 2009 and simply suck.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
but since I know what Cey
did from age 32 – 35 I’d sign him before I signed Beltre.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Cey does have a new hip, so he should be good to go. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
weren't 2004 and 2010......
his ‘walk’ years? It’s hard to get into the HOF when you only hit well in the last year of each contract!
(You may have noticed that I’m still pissed about that!)
I'm sayin' "What's in it for me?"
so was 09
and he really didn’t hit all that bad in his “non walk” years.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
He also broke his testicle in 09.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
that he did.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
when was the last time you saw belly do a back flip on his way to 3b..ozzie had that going for him..
by Jason Ungar on Dec 21, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of the HOF
Dan Szymborski had these two great tweets a little while ago:
@DSzymborski For Morris to match Blyleven’s IP/ERA+, he would need 1146 IP of 2.04 ERA ball.followed by
So essentially, if you vote for Morris and not Blyleven, you are saying that 1146 IP of 2.04 ERA ball has negative value.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
had to rec that
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
But Morris pitched to the scoreboard. He knew how to win. Blyleven’s teams almost certainly would have scored 1 or 0 runs in all of those starts, so yeah, a 2.04 ERA wouldn’t cut it. The man didn’t know how to win. Pass.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Phil, what do you define as “the core showing up?”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp & Ethier hitting like and being as healthy as 2009
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Loney – 280/340/.420
Andre – 280/360/480
Kemp – 300/330/480
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
That is very reasonable. I can see all of those happening. The Loney line is a little optimistic, and maybe Kemp’s slugging is, too, but both of those are made up by Ethier’s line being a little low — I think he can probably outhit that line by a bit if things go right for him.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
If Juan Uribe has an OPS north of .720 I will run giddy through the streets.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
I’ll believe ya when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
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Uribe has OPS’d .749 (2010) and .824 (2009) in the last two seasons. I don’t think .741 is overly optimistic.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, this is crazy and hilarious
http://deadspin.com/5715519/remembering-the-lorchcast-worst-sportscast-ever
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Dang
One day it started raining, and it didn’t quit for four months. We been through every kind of rain there is. Little bitty stingin’ rain… and big ol’ fat rain. Rain that flew in sideways. And sometimes rain even seemed to come straight up from underneath. Shoot, it even rained at night…
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We now go to Ollie Williams for the Black-U-Weather Forcast, Ollie?
IT GON RAIN!!!
Thank you Ollie.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you for this
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
(tips hat)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Fasten you seatbelts
tonight’s going to be interesting
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Well pretty much all OF are gone now except Pod
Let the Angels have him…
Time to really see how we can pull off that Beltre signing…but assuming he DID turn down a take-or-leave contract offer from a desperate Angels team, I’ll assume the price is more than what the Dodgers could swing, even if they got “giddy” with the wallet as they have this off-season…
He wants 5/$90 from reports
I’m still interested in Mike Morse from the Nats.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
We would probably have to beat 5/70
I don’t think anyone is going to give him 18 million per. /remembers he said that about werth and crawford
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Morse would be great find
if Ned even knows he exists.
There’s always Marcus Thames still. Or Milledge (I know, I know), or trading for someone else…
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While we're at it..I hear Gary Sheffield wants to make another comeback attempt...
I was being sarcastic…I hope
I’ve been on that train since 2009. He’s got to still have value as a lefty masher.
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While IronSheff > Pods
I would reaalllyyyy prefer not to go down this road.
Favorite Phil Sey Hoff quote
Sometimes I’m working on a film and someone will ask me if I’m having fun. And I’m tempted to tell them the truth: No, absolutely not. Having no fun here at all. You know what’s going to be fun? When it’s done, and I’ve done a fuckin’ good job, and I know people are getting something out of that. I’ll have a lot of fun then. A ton of it.
I respect the hell out of him for that. Not saying that makes his acting any better or worse, nor am I trying to influence anyone’s opinion of him because, frankly, you’re entitled to your thoughts. I just love a professional who approaches his job this way.
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JtD to Japan
From Dodger Thoughts:
Former Dodger prospect Joel Guzman is headed to Japan (link via Dodgerbobble).From the linked article:
Chunichi signed 1B/3B/OF Joel Guzman to a one-year, $500k deal.
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He'll be back someday
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I gotta ask this
why do you call Guzman JtD?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Onetime DT poster Steve nicknamed him Joel the Destroyer way back when he was good.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
ahhh, thank you
now I can sleep :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
881 OPS (between A+/AA) as a 19-year-old SS. Yup, he was good.
by silverwidow on Dec 21, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
To be clear
when he mashed AA pitching as a 19 year old 6’6 Shortstop to the tune of a + .500 slug%.
He and Greg Miller can recount the dreams they had back then when 19 year olds dominated AA and if we had traded them the TBLA world would have split asunder.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Greg Miller (18, AA)
1.01 ERA, 40 K/7BB in 26.2 IP
by silverwidow on Dec 21, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Wonder what rating/grade BA gave him...
That kind of numbers at age 18 at AA is pretty sexy…
Miller = #8 Prospect (Top 100)
Edwin Jackson was #4
by silverwidow on Dec 21, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
10C
just throwing out letters and numbers, I have only a vague recollection of hearing the name Greg Miller.
Didn’t follow prospects until, like, June.
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10C? Wow.
That C just didn’t fall our way
Fire Jim Tracy!
His was the first Fire xxx___xxx blog I can remember
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
It seems that I have seen Angels fans more angry with their team this winter than Dodgers fans. Arte has finally stumbled in public relations (his comments last week in the LAT) and seems to be taking some heat now.
To summarize
he keeps saying every offseason they will do whatever it takes to upgrade the offense, and come up with jack diddly squat, and its been happening for years. I think they make an honest effort but simply aren’t willing to give 20 million over 500 years to players.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
*20 million per
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
$10 billion is way too much. They gotta get in on that sweet 10-year, big-fat-hen deal we signed Billingsley to.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
The quote that was a little misguided by Moreno was this:
It’s crazy. I paid [$183 million] for the team [in 2003], and now we’re talking $142 million for one player?
For one, I’m guessing that franchise value is just a shade north of what Arte paid for it. Secondly, I can understand his concern if he feels Crawford or Werth aren’t worth these mega-deals, but the fact is the top players get paid and it’s just the cost of doing business.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think Moreno is smart for thinking in the long term.
These guys like Crawford and Werth are merely good players to me and are getting way overpaid in a shallow market. Keep your flexibility and use it in the season for trades, the next offseason, or locking up young guys on the team already. Crawford and Werth are being paid like they are Elite players.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 21, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
latest buzz on Beltre
is that he wants 6 years, and that is more important than the money. Angels will not raise their 5/$70 offer.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
He wants 85-90 million
and will take it in just about any way he can get it
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Deal!
I’ve got three dollars in my pocket, and Beltre can have them — spread over six years.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
We should offer
6 years/$80mm.
We already know Ned is comfortable having a 37 year old play 3B, so the length of the contract shouldn’t be an issue.
I don’t have a huge problem telling Beltre to shove it up his ass at that point.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
this
No one else has matched or is likely to match the 5/70 offer the angels supposedly are willing to give.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Beltre is going to be an Angel
unless Boras keeps playing games and the Angels walk away from negotiations in a huff.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Please bring Belly home.
I wish the Dodger organization would, in a small way, focus on keeping homegrown talent here when they can. I’m thinking Kemp, Billz and Kershaw at moment.
Belly can come home in the right deal…and we’d need to defer some and make it back loaded to work, I suspect…but…
And why is it so rare having two organizations trading prospects, like say my Winthrow and Gordon for your 3b and C prospects…Its so rare I think but why?
because if you can trade those same guys and get an established MLB guy
why wouldn’t you?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Michael Taylor (from Toronto) for Brett Wallace (from Oakland) deal from last winter probably counts.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what would happen if Beltre decided to sign a one-year deal. I would think there would be a lot of teams that would want him for that. Would his price would be a lot higher than the $14M AAV in the Angels deal? Could he sign a 1/18 deal this year and try for the same 5/70 deal next year?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Too much risk… if he gets hurt, has a bad year, or whatever he’d be leaving tons of money on the table. It’s unlikely he’ll outpace 2010 again, now is the time to strike for a mega deal.
Even just an ok year
would make taking a one year deal a mistake
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Last year he benefited from being in Boston's lineup.
Dodgers don’t offer that kind of protection (with down years) for sure. No reason to risk it.
that's on the assumption
the Dodger lineup will have two down years in a row though.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Angels fans are more upset than Dodgers fans because they expected to sign Carl Crawford and got Scott Downs. We expected to sign nobody and stomach Ely/Monk 40% of the time and got Ted Lilly, Jon Garland, Hiroki Kuroda and Vicente Padilla.
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Yah
and they may not get Beltre either, and they got nothin’ at 3rd, so I’d argue they need him even more than we do.
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Chris Jackson of the Albuquerque Examiner
commenting at Mike Scioscia’s Tragic Illness, on Mike’s article projecting an Albuquerque roster.
[John] Lindsey isn’t about to retire yet. His biggest hope is to eventually land a spot on a Japanese or Korean team. It’s his only realistic hope to make enough money to retire on. If he hadn’t broken his hand in September there’s a good chance the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks would have maintained interest in him.It would be a cruel twist if Lindsey’s MLB cup of coffee cost him a six-figure Japanese payday, but it is nice to hear from another source that he is a great guy.
…
I will say that Lindsey has a future in coaching. All those stories about his great personality aren’t kidding. On a character scale, he would grade out as an 80.
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MSTI link
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
More Jackson
Apparently we got some funny dudes in the minors.
As a reporter, though, I will miss having the duo of [Tim] Corcoran [re-signed by the Dodgers] and [Brent] Leach [apparently Japan-bound] around. They are someday destined for the Blue Collar Comedy Tour.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, just the same as if someone heard you at karaoke and said you were destined for the next boy band.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
And I’d be honored if I heard that.
@andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Someday I hope to join the White Collar Comedy Tour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2af69xt0VKE
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I recognize that guy from Top Gun!
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Hey, Nuke LaLoosh!
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Jackson's own take
on what the AAA roster might look like.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
The Los Angeles Bank of America Dodgers
are happy enough to have Lindsey in reserve.
Doesn’t quite roll of the tongue as well as the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks
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LA times reports
Angels have pulled their offer for Beltre, but are “leaving the door open” on him.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 12:45 PM PST reply actions
Speaking of Jeff Bridges and True Grit
Roger Ebert’s review is up.
What strikes me is that I’m describing the story and the film as if it were simply, if admirably, a good Western. That’s a surprise to me, because this is a film by the Coen Brothers, and this is the first straight genre exercise in their career. It’s a loving one. Their craftsmanship is a wonder. Their casting is always inspired and exact. The cinematography by Roger Deakins reminds us of the glory that was, and can still be, the Western.
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So they simply made a Western?
Interesting, I am looking forward to it.
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Does anyone know if Dee Gordon is done with Winter Ball?
It appears Justin Sellers has been starting in his place for the last week.
I think so, yes
He tweeted something about it last week.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
If anyone cares he finished out with a triple slash of .361/.396/.493 for an OPS of .889.
He was second in the league in Average and OPS, third in OBP, 1st in triples and runs scored and 2nd in steals.
His boo boos were still throwing errors and caught stealing, but overall a very successful winter season.
i was going to ask
thanks for posting it.
What is the equivalent of the competition he faced? AA? AAA?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to say… There are a lot of journeymen vets and then some prospects from A ball to AAA. For example, the guy leading the league in Average played in high A last year. On the other hand, Alex Cora is playing down there batting .290/.366/.360
interesting
thanks!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
December 15
was his planned last game. He got hit on the finger in his second-to-last PA.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
My Billingsley offer
Billingsley.
2011: 5m
2012: 7m
2013: 12m (FA #1)
2014: 14m (FA #2))
2015 (option): 17m or 4m buyout
Min value: 4/42, max value 5/55
Doesn’t $24M in the first three years seem a little low? Plus Eric’s estimate for 2011 is $5.5M.
And 5/55 is bad luck in these parts.
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Cost of long-term security
But I don’t see him taking less than the $26.5 million than Nolasco got for those first three years.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTR says the Dodgers have signed RHP Scott Nestor to a minor-league deal.
He is a 26-year old and the definition of a wild-ass righty. 6.4 BB/9 in minors, including over 7 in each of the last three seasons. 9.6 K/9 though.
For a minute I thought
“Hm, there was this Nestor guy…back over from BruinsNation”
:)
Vance Lovelace in action again?
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Clint Eastwood
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Is more known as a director then actor now?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Two part answer:
1. He now directs more than he acts.
2. His fame as a director will never supercede his fame as an actor.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Serious question: Has any director who was also once an actor (of any kind of success) had more fame as a director?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Off the top of my head… Orson Welles.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. I couldn’t think of any off hand.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
i would have said
Ron Howard
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Underdog?
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
I'd say Eastwood #1
and Welles, who did far fewer films but he did a few classics. And Howard, yeah. Woody Allen, too, though he’s still very famous as an onscreen persona.
Uh, Penny Marshall and Rob Reiner?
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TV Actors
do they really count in this discussion?
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Ron Howard, the actor, is famous for TV.
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Right
I would not put him in the discussion, just because of American Graffiti.
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Eric said
“also once an actor (of any kind of success) " so I was basing it off that.
Cant think of too many other directors who were first known as actors who have had great success (yet) other than those named. But others:
Mel Gibson (before he went more batshit)
Albert Brooks
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How did I forget Mel Gibson?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Because
I don’t think GIbson will ever be known more as a director than as an Actor. Wasn’t that the question? The question was not who has acted and directed.
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True, although
he did win an Oscar for Braveheart.
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Okay
but all these years later do people remember he starred in it, or directed it?
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I choose to just remember his drunken outbursts
and Road Warrior.
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Redford has an Oscar for Ordinary People. If you buy my argument that Redford will never be known more for directing than acting, because he was such a huge star, then Gibson falls there, too.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Same thing with Warren Beatty. Hell of a director, never more famous than for acting.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this
Seems to me you have to direct alot like Eastwood is doing to get the public to start to view you as a director then as the big star actor. No one who has been mentioned seems to be directing as much as Clint. Then again I could simply be wrong and I’m simply ignorant about it.
Woodie is a bit different because he directed himself so much. He made himself a star with his directing.
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Eastwood is still an actor to most
Although he is pretty close to the middle I think.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I'm just surprised
I did not think of him at all.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
That’s a good answer.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
But he wasn't anywhere near the actor
that Eastwood was
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
no
but can you really say his acting career compares overall to Eastwood’s?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I was about to ask lol
cause I just realized he would have been 8.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
American Graffiti
was his high point as a movie actor. Good thing he went into directing.
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Maybe I'm a bad person
but that movie bored the hell out of me
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I could see that
for your age group.
When it came out it was one of the better depictions of life in Los Angeles in the 50’s. I actually liked the 2nd one and the Vietnam War scenes with the man who ate rats later in life to prove a point about wolfs.
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This comment took a turn
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Why bother
when you lived it:)
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Heh
You’re confusing it with Boogie Nights.
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Charlie Martin Smith!
He has a good small role in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid too.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Funny thing is
It’s arguably Lucas’ best movie
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I thought it was great
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Redford?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
No. Redford was a huge star. He has had great success as a director but he’ll always be known as an actor-turned-director. Same with Mel Gibson.
What distinguishes Welles is that he also directed his first film, and he bounced between directing and acting gigs for the remainder of his career. He is now remembered as a great director.
What distinguishes Ron Howard is — well, he was never considered a great actor. He had Music Man, Andy Griffith, Happy Days, American Graffiti. He was famous. But I think he’s considered a better director in his 30 years of directing.
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Yeah I figured
I was just throwing out names of people who have had acclaim at both.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
ooo oo ooo
Ben Affleck
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
If the question is who couldn't do both
we circle back to Costner
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
I strongly believe Affleck
to be a better Director then Actor, but he doesn’t have the fame yet I suppose.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
That alone
was more worthwhile then his entire acting career. This is probably not true, but it feels true until I think of Good Will Hunting and Dogma.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I honestly think Ben is a decent actor
who always chose shitty roles.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I like Ben
but he is someone who I could totally see ending up being known more for directing then acting.
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Yes. But Allen rarely — not never, but extremely rarely — acts outside of his own films. The Front. Scenes from a Mall. There must be others but I am struggling.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Casino Royale
Six directors, not one was Woody!
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Almost all of his last films
over past 10 years haven’t had him in them. Some would argue they also weren’t as good.
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Yeah
I miss the old, quirkie, tiny, flawed, somewhat ugly man, getting the beautiful, young girl.
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I was looking for that
and went with flawed instead, but neurotic fits better.
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Ben Stiller wants to know
why you forgot about him
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Given that he is five years younger than I am.
@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Or a serious actor
he is funny to me.
I think the actor I can no longer stand is broken nose Wilson.
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Like Michael Sera.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
Nah
Michael is tall, not bad looking, shy not really neurotic.
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Michael Cera Supercedes Woody Allen?
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Wow, I was looking for a continuation of the S/C supersede/supercede joke here, but I sure as hell didn’t find it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Larry David played that role in
that Whatever Works movie. (Originally a role intended for Zero Mostel t hough, it should be added. Which would’ve been better, if still creepy.)
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You?
You spell supersede with a “c”??
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I have to side with Humma
I didn’t know there was any other way than with a C
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I could find many ways to spell it
You can be (incompetent and a nice guy), you can be (competent and an asshole), but if you are an (asshole and incompetent), your only future is to be Keith's boss otherwise you are unemployable
It is with an “s”.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-the-day/2010/10/10/
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I mean currently
I agree with 2
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
But in the movie history books, I think he will be more lauded as a director.
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Do old school film buffs chide those who read movie history books by saying, “Get your head out of that book, and go watch a movie!”?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Given that UConn women are about to win their 89th straight
and pass the UCLA men’s streak, their best player Maya Moore is more and more in the news.
I can’t help but think of Color Me Badd when I hear her name. “I adore….”
If a professional woman’s softball team won 27 games in a row, would that be considered “passing” the 1916 New York Giants record streak of 26 games?
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If they were governed by the same body as MLB, sure. Also, fuck the Giants. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think they are very comparable streaks, given that the two sports are different and have different levels of competition and parity.
UConn is “passing” UCLA in a literal sense, only that 89 is greater than 88.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Mike, is there a site that tracks dunks?
I was going through the game log last night to count Griffin’s for the game (and, truth be told I was disappointed he only had four).
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Postgame show said that Griffin leads the league.
82 games has shot breakdowns
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
LB has a guy TJ Robinson
I think he could be a 10th-12th man on an NBA team and play better than Gomes. They are on at 4 on FSW today. It could be the homer in me, but if you get a chance, let me know what you think.
He did have a good game
which is nice to see that he actually can.
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That was one of Blake's more demure efforts this month.
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When Love came to town
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Andrew Luck race
Carolina Panthers: 2-12
Cincinnati Bengals: 3-11
Denver Broncos: 3-11
Carolina will be losing on Thursday to Pittsburgh, which should just about seal it. However, they do play Atlanta in Week 17 (who are sure to be resting their starters).
I don't see the Broncos taking him
Haven’t paid enough attention to the Panthers to know how Jimmy Clausen has done, but with a new coach coming in you never know.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
How many teams need a quarterback?
Does Locker still go in the first round?
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Carolina and Cincy desperately need a QB. So does Arizona. There’s more, but that’s just off the top of my head.
Yes but I think Locker isn't considered
one of the top 2 QBs anymore.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
If Locker is a 2nd or 3rd round graded guy
they will take a player at another position of need and wait till the 2nd.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
I hope the Raiders take a shot at Locker if he is around then.
by Ian Capilouto on Dec 21, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Buffaloe would be better off
taking a LT methinks. Bud Adams loves Vince too much. Garrard gets another year I think.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Agree about Buf, but there are no LT projected to go that early. And Jax will take a qb in the first three rounds imo, they are desperate to develop and their GM has been raving about this qb class.
@neufaustcan
not one LT that would be good enough to go in the top 5?
I have a hard time believing that. They also desperately need an OLB
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Buffalo could trade down, a frequently employed strategy.
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In the top 5
it doesn’t happen often anymore because no one wants to trade up and take on a top 5 pick salary.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
Indeed.
Trading down isn’t much of an option anymore. You barely get anything for it.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
It does happen once you get to around 20
but those generally aren’t blockbusters.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
That’s not much. Generally you look for something better than that in a trade down.
You could always pull the old strategy where you keep “forgetting” to go up to the podium.
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
You have to find someone else willing to pay that salary
while also giving you fair value.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
High pick QB
SF – yes
AZ – yes
JAX – no
TEN – yes
BUF – no
CIN – yes
CAR – yes
WAS – yes
CLE – no
MIA – maybe
OAK – maybe
You are understimating
Bud Adams love of Vince Young.
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
High pick?
1st round?
There would seem to be maybe 4-6 that could go in the 1st to fill that list.
Luck
Newton
Mallett
Locker
Gabbert/Foles are possibilites if they enter.
Ponder/Devlin have outside chances.
@neufaustcan
Locker could be late 1st round
If the Broncos end up with first pick, which is unlikely, they’d likely trade down with a team desperate for a QB. They’ll go with a Nick Fairley or Bowers or Peterson, with whatever their pick is. Carolina is desperate for a QB. Bengals also need one.
But yeah Locker will probably be taken by a team needing a young QB to add and time to help him develop.
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Tebow is gonna throw for 300 yards against the Texans
that alone might give him a shot at next year
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
To be fair, they drafted a tight end in the first round last year
by Michael White on Dec 21, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
They drafted a WR you mean
Demaryius Thomas. 1st. And then Tebow.
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Is this us doing him a solid so he can go to japan
or did we just want to get rid of him, so he decided to go to japan?
"The trouble with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is doing until it’s too late."
We be light
on LH relief help.
Adkins, Saint Claire, Aquaman
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When Adkins diet is restricted to left-hand hitters, he puts up healthier numbers. 9.9 K/9 last year.
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Delias tells me it does not matter
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Scott Nestor? The guy who pitched for San Jose this year? I seriously wanna see him get a cup of coffee with the team.
Fuck the Rangers in 2010 < never coming down.
I have to think that if Scott Nestor makes the big club before September, something has gone seriously wrong for someone.
My belt holds up my pants and my pants have belt loops that hold up the belt. What the f*ck’s really goin' on down there? Who is the real hero?
Did you seem him pitch?
was he just crazy wild with crazy stuff?
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Or Charlie Hough
did a kick ass job.
For some reason I really like this guys name.
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I hope, I pray
For Nestor to get just one more K
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PujvRmxvtao
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I love the comments below that video. “I don’t understand what they are talking about.” Indeed!
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TBLA where threads go in any which way
American Leading Men
Football Draft
Nestor the Molestor
Beltre HOF
HOF in general
Blake Griffin
LA Dodgers historical relief pitchers
Suprise of 2010
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